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From Chaos to Calm: A Stuntman's Guide to Staying Focused | Curtis Rivers · The Relentless Pursuit of Winning Podcast

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  Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Relentless Pursuit of Winning podcast.
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  My name is Rick Meekens.
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  I am your host today, and in our studio we have Curtis Rivers.
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  How are you today, sir?
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  Really good.
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  Top of the world.
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  Thanks for having me, Greg.
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  absolutely, absolutely.
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  Folks, you're gonna enjoy the show today.
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  This is gonna be one of those where it's just like, huh?
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  How did that happen?
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  kind of show.
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  So before we get into it though, if you haven't done it already, I would be grateful if you like, subscribe, hit the bell so that you can get updates every time we drop a new
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  episode.
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  And without further ado, let's get to it.
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  So Curtis, stunt man turned professional guy.
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  Can you give us a little bit of background, who you are, what you do, and why you do what you do?
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  So Curtis Rivers, a former award-winning movie stuntman, member of the Hollywood Stuntman's Hall of Fame, which is unusual because you can tell by the accent that I'm
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  British, but I'm a member of the Hollywood Stuntman's Hall of Fame, two times Guinness World Record holder and author of the award-winning book, The Feeler's Path.
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  And I help people who are feeling flat, anxious or stuck in a life that no longer fits for them, you know.
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  So I help them to reimagine
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  realign and reignite their path to freedom, purpose and authenticity.
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  Love it, love it, love it.
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  So our our audience, a lot of these folks are entrepreneurs, they've been at it for a while, they've been, you know, through, you know, the the the fun stage of of running a
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  company.
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  It's like, Hey, I got this great idea and you know, they're they're into it and things get hard.
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  What what do you want people to get out of this episode today?
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  I'd like to get them to realize that if it was a key message that it's never too late, it's a bit cliched, but as a entrepreneur myself, we can get into that, the various
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  multiple sources of income that I've employed over the years and lots of great ideas and that journey where it's like the old analogy of digging for gold, where we're almost about
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  to...
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  give up on the face of the digging in the mine until the gold is just a few feet away and many turn away and leave that, you know, and I've experienced that myself.
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  I've been the person to turn away and leave that and then learn from that.
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  And I've been the person that just keeps on going and going and going and never ever gives up that tenacity has been key in my life.
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  So definitely the message is never give up.
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  It is never, ever too late.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  That's a that's a great one.
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  Um where where where does that come from?
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  Where does that that that message or that way of living, I guess I might say, come from in you?
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  I grew up thinking in my kind of late teens, early twenties, that was just really stubborn because the amount of times people had said that to me, like, gosh, like, you're just
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  relentless.
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  Like, you just won't give in, will you?
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  know, everyone else would pack in at this point.
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  You're just so stubborn.
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  And so I, you know, took on that limit in belief.
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  I guess I'm just stubborn.
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  I must have got that from one of my parents or family, you know.
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  And over the years, I've realized it isn't stubbornness.
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  It's tenacity.
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  And there's a big difference, you know, I find between being a stubborn person, arms folded and somebody who picks himself up off the ground, which I experienced a lot as a
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  stuntman over the years, pick yourself up off the ground when the last thing you want to do is go again, because it hurt the last time and you know it hurts because you've just
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  done the take, but you dig deep within and you have that tenacity to get up, dust yourself down and just stare down the barrel of the gun and say, go for it, do it again, come on,
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  I've got this.
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  And I think over the years, without getting too deep, I actually found out by the time I was in my 30s that the driving force was my father, because we didn't really get on.
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  We were like chalk and cheese growing up.
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  He was the tough guy.
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  And even though I had to become that and wear the tough guy mask, really as a child, I was growing up, he wanted me to go out and play soccer.
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  play with the other kids and eventually as I became a young man he wanted me to use a hard drink he wanted me to go down the bars and pubs and clubs and drink heavy and fight and
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  just what the real me was sat at home as a child looking through a telescope reading books I loved the library and learning and just inquisitive and I was like a gentle soul still
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  am really the real me is kind and caring you know
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  Mm-hmm.
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  he, so like chalk and cheese and there was a time, it's a long story, but the shortened version is, you know, there was a time where he grabbed me by the lapels and threatened me
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  with his fist.
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  And he said, that was nothing.
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  And you will amount to nothing.
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  Push me down, you know, it was my early twenties and he stuck with me for years, subconsciously that, you know, that limiting belief that I am nothing.
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  I will never amount to anything.
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  So during my stunt training, every time I thought of giving in,
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  Say I was doing a martial arts grading, there was a lot involved in the stunt training.
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  I had to become a martial artist, like a black belt in several martial arts.
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  Sometimes at a grading where I needed to win three fights, maybe I won two and only drew one and it was gonna take me another three months before the next grading and my heart
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  sank.
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  It costing time, money, the gold coat posts kept moving.
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  At those times I thought, maybe this isn't for me.
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  I just can't keep going on.
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  I'm a human being, it took me seven years to train to be a stuntman.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  those times, those mornings where I go up and thought maybe this, maybe my dad was right.
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  I think of him holding me by the little, you're a mountain, nothing.
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  And I think, really?
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  We'll see.
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  And that was the driving force.
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  Ultimately, that little boy wanted to be loved.
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  And when I kept going and I was breaking world records, I'd break a world record and then I'd go on to do another one.
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  And somebody'd say, when are you going to stop?
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  This has been a dream for years.
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  You've finally done it.
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  Why choose another, when are you going to stop?
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  And I didn't know because really I was looking for my father's approval.
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  That's what I would learn in my thirties.
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  know, that's tenacity came from the want to be seen really.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  So it wasn't it wasn't something that was ingrained into you.
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  This was something that you used in order to kind of prove a point.
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  Is that am I understanding that correctly?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  there's other things in life, you you learn these things, see the results, and then you can apply those, you know, that tenacity applied correctly with the right energy in
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  business, then you know when to give up, when to split test, retest, go back to to redress things, look those figures, get back to the spreadsheet.
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  There's a time to do that to reassess, but not to give in, to go back and mindfully.
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  be tenacious in everything that we do.
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  that mindful tenacity.
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  That's that's brilliant.
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  What what was a time, what was an example of a time when perhaps you went too far, you know, you're kinda looking back and be ah, I didn't have to experience all that in order
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  to, you know, get where I am.
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  There's, gosh, there's so many occasions, you know, where I should have bit my tongue, so to speak, should have, I was too vocal or one skill I've learned, another skill over the
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  years, talk about touched on mindfulness then.
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  I'm a mindful person.
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  The ability to put that little pause in, to respond rather than to react to.
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  respond from that mindful place, having processed that nervous system is calm.
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  You're tuned in, you know, a mindful response rather than the knee jerk reaction.
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  That's primal, you know, fight or flight, different part of the brain, you know, I used to be me, the younger man would be a little bit vocal, you know, again, you know, didn't
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  suffer fools gladly.
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  A little bit of that would have come from my upbringing and my father's input.
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  But as you know,
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  age and wisdom kick in and you've, you know, it's not my first rodeo.
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  Just learn to slow things down and to not take everything personal.
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  And you realize we're all winging it in a way.
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  We're all, you know, you grow up as a child thinking all the grownups have it figured out.
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  And then you get into adulthood and you think, they're older business people.
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  They've got it all sorted.
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  They haven't on a certain level.
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  We're all still figuring things out just at a different level as we evolve and we never stop growing.
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  It's a journey, right, with no destination.
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  And as we're older, we realize that.
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  Is is there a particular story that comes to mind?
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  Well, with.
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  With with respect to not not knowing when you needed to stop and then, you know, reassess and do something different.
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  Yeah, there's just stories like in filming, you know, where I could have handled things differently where I've literally just said, okay, that's me done then I've switched the
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  radio off, handed that in.
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  It's a very expensive workplace, you know, I'm running the shop floor, but I've been in a situation where it was getting dangerous as a line in the sand, an actor, a director one
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  across that line.
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  And in some ways, some people would say, well, you're right to walk off, but I could have done it in a different way.
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  I was terrible for burning bridges in my youth, you know, so.
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  I wouldn't think of the repercussions.
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  was very binary, black and white, not doing it, that's it.
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  One that comes to mind, an actor taking drugs, a method actor driving a car around, he had a stunt double.
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  He thought it was great to take cocaine on set just for an authentic experience on camera, but he was gonna be driving.
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  I overheard that.
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  Did you say you were having a few lines of no, no, no, no?
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  And so I died.
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  I was watching his behavior.
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  That guy's going nowhere near a car.
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  And then they distracted me checking the monitor for something else next minute.
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  He's in the car like, whoa, what's going on?
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  And he shot off looking at accident didn't happen.
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  So that's a situation where, you know, I was very vocal, let's handed the radio in left that movie.
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  Other things happened with the guy who replaced me, but everybody in that project, for example, I would obviously never work with them again.
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  And at the time I'd think fine, good riddance.
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  I don't want to work with people like.
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  Yeah.
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  a little part of it.
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  But I've done that on such a big scale over the years, going back decades.
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  I'm not like that now.
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  But those were the early years.
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  And you can apply that to entrepreneurship, you know, with suppliers and contacts and funders and, you know, you there's a there's a definite way to be the bigger person and to
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  like you say, mindfully respond to that.
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  And, you know, not react in that way.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I re I remember as a younger man, um I had I was in the restaurant industry and you know, I I just I don't remember exactly what happened.
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  Uh I was a vendor that wasn't doing what they were supposed to do or something like that.
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  And I just remember just like just being like and I usually don't I'm usually a very calm person, but this guy drove me to the point where I'm like slamming the phone down.
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  You know how like we had those phones that were like on the desk and you get like that satisfaction of hanging up on somebody?
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  The clump.
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  So it was it was one of those situations and you know, and what what I wonder is, you know, how how do you learn that?
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  How do you learn to kind of just like really kind of just step back and say, Hey, you know what, I can handle this differently?
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  I mean, you you had, you know, multiple you know, you you've you've shared that, you know, you've learned to do that.
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  What was what was your process like?
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  It comes from things like away from the film set, such as the breathing techniques, away from the film set.
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  And this was me, this split from stuntman to soul guide.
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  This occurred for this reason was that I alluded to it earlier with being that child in the bedroom studious reading books and quite happy doing that, you know.
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  The person I became, or the mascot to wear, you know, being the tough guy stuntman running the floor, very, very in control in a very kind of alpha male.
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  environment and later kind of toxic workplace.
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  To rule the roost there, I was a different person.
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  So meanwhile, away from the film set, I was into meditation, you know, reading, study, mindfulness, yoga, all those kinds of things.
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  I was a bit woo away from the set in private, and then came in and put the baseball cap on and doing that.
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  So was within those things in my private life, techniques to reset the nervous system, you know, breathing techniques.
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  that would then bleed into the stunt career.
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  So if I was frightened before a stunt, I'm a human being, you still get nerves, you're to jump off a building, then it would be those techniques I was learning away from the film
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  set that I would then employ.
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  So I had a double life where I would go away and learn these different techniques and I'd be going on yoga retreats and I trained to be an NLP practitioner and got into emotional
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  freedom technique.
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  Just no clients at the time, just for my own.
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  not thirst for knowledge.
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  was learning all of these skills that I would then use breathing to calm my nervous system.
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  And that then helps just slow the mind down into that calm place where you're really listening, not waiting for your turn to speak.
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  You're listening on a real deep level to people's hopes, desires on a film.
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  what does the director want?
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  Listening to what the fears that actor has in his character, really trying to listen carefully to get the best, safest result for everybody.
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  And when you're in that place of deep connection and deep listening, and you've been doing the breathing and the prep, you're in that calm, chilled out place.
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  Then when somebody throws a surprise tantrum or says something, wow, okay, that knee jerk reaction isn't there.
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  It would take five or six back to back to even get into that back to the wall situation.
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  Because there's a place for that fight off light that does come in handy at times.
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  That's why it's there.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  but there are no saber-toothed hiding in the bushes anymore, so we don't quite need it as quick to get the adrenaline and the heart pumping.
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  So that's how it was.
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  It's been through my stunt career, learning these different things away from the set that I've managed to put into practice on the set.
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  And I should say vice versa, like I say, that tenacity and the desire never to give as a stuntman and those practical skills then also apply in business too.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  You know what I'd like to do if if if it's okay with you, I'd love I'd love to to lean into that that that woo-woo um you know as as we call it, you know, because I mean we do
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  have, you know, team members, employees, we have, you know, vendors, we have, you know, customers that, you know, are like saber tooth tigers, you know, periodically.
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  And we do we do have to manage them.
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  We do and you know, not just manage them, but manage ourselves.
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  You know, and I I think what happens sometimes, you know, and and we can start, you know, at the you know, quote unquote high level.
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  at at um you know breathing techniques.
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  And it's it's not I d I I don't necessarily want to go into, you know, what it is, but rather what's what's, you know, perhaps the science behind it.
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  Why, you know, why would why is this less of a fad and really something that would help us to get into a better place, you know, when we're dealing with, you know, some of these
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  situations that are that are out of our control.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  mean, so, you know, in terms of the basics and the science of it, you know, a lot of people going real back to basics don't even breathe correctly in terms of they breathe out
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  of their mouth.
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  And I learned this, gosh, 35, 40 years ago, training to be an actor, a thing called intercostal diaphragmatic breathing.
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  And it's a really fancy way of saying you're breathing through your nose.
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  and you breathe, feel from the belly first and then the lungs.
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  So all actors who are trained actors learn this.
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  And I'd never even thought of it, early twenties, what do mean you meant to breathe through the nose?
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  Yeah, you've got hairs in there to filter dirt, then you meant to breathe in through the nose and I would later learn that in meditation too, very different thing, you know?
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  So just that ability to put your hands on your belly and to breathe in and your hands should rise before your chest.
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  A lot of people don't do that.
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  So that intercostal breathing, that's the first thing towards this.
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  And then there are different, there's a myriad of different counts where you breathe in for a certain count, you pause for a certain few seconds, and then you release.
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  So what's at play here, it's a mechanism, there's a connection between your mind and your nervous system.
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  That's kind of like an overlap, and we're operating in there.
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  So you wanna get out of like the really old part, they call it reptilian part of your brain at the back of.
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  the spine where it connects.
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  And you want to employ more of your frontal cortex and that kind of activity.
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  well, it's about being present and being the opposite to it's disconnected in those switches that will say there's a saber tooth tiger get ready to run, you're going to fight
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  or flight, raise the heartbeat, increase cortisol, increase the adrenaline, let's fire some adrenaline in there and get you all hyped up.
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  In other words, the things that make you angry and snappy.
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  Who you talking to?
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  And in certain situations, squaring up ready for battle or wherever that might be, right?
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  You don't need that.
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  or is it is it just a distraction or is it or is there something that's happening, I don't know, neurologically?
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  neurologically the breathing then if you were to monitor, if you put all of the probes on the mind, just by several rounds of breathing and it's not hyperventilating, it's not Wim
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  Hof.
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  I'm literally talking about a sharp inhale through the nose for four seconds, holding it for seven and then a slower breathe out eight or nine seconds.
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  That's it.
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  A couple of those, I do it before I go on a podcast, rushing in, sit down, do a couple of rounds of that and it just calms the nervous system.
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  If you saw that on that monitor,
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  you see the activity go from the fight or fight part of the brain moved forward towards the frontal cortex.
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  It's different part of the brain.
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  You're leaving behind that kind of, are mammals, you know, in terms of our physicality, but we're a lot more than that.
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  And so it's employing that more human calm part of the brain, more rational, because it's oftentimes that very illogically, if you thought about it, you wouldn't shout at that
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  person.
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  You wouldn't.
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  slam that phone down for that nice clunk noise.
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  You wouldn't do these things if you can just thought for a moment.
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  How many times have we said something and walked away and thought, you know, why did I say that?
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  Or wish I hadn't said that, you know, much better to just put that little that's all it takes as well in two or three seconds gap between you know, instead of reacting so we can
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  respond.
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  I like that.
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  I like that.
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  I like that.
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  It's it's kind of like that that advanced intellect that we as human beings have.
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  We're able to take that step back, take the breath, reset, and then move forward.
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  Um, you used a term a c a couple of times, um, reset your nervous system.
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  It's it's again, it's it's one of those terms I hear happening, you know, hear occurring a lot, you know, and for someone that's not I'll use the term woo-woo, that's not woo-woo,
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  or or is or is running away from that, let's say.
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  You know, what is what is the what is it?
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  You know, and how does that what what is its real impact?
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  just you're right, it's becoming more and more of a buzzword.
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  Again, I see this mention of nervous system, it's been around forever.
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  So in layman's terms, all it is really is there are certain things that happen in your body, you and I are talking now, your heart is beating, you're not consciously thinking I
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  must keep that going at so many beats per second, right?
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  Your lungs are inflating.
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  When you're trained, they will inflate all by themselves from your belly, and then your mid chest and upper chest, nice deep breaths.
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  I breathe, you know, four times a minute when I'm meditating, just really slow and slow everything down.
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  Your body is doing that or your nervous system is doing that behind the scenes like an autopilot.
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  And that's where that crossover is because it's partly your subconscious mind is running everything in the background is connected and it's part of that.
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  And that's all it is.
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  So it's already popular in certain circles.
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  A lot of people these days are aware of subconscious programming.
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  affirmations, visualizations, you know, that's crept into entrepreneurship, we kind of know that we have our beliefs, and those shape our actions, you know, and our actions
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  ultimately creates success in business or not, you know, and all aspects of life, really.
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  So there's that element, but there is that connection also with the nervous system where that bleeds down.
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  And so that autonomous system that keeps you breathing in and out, even though you're reading a book,
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  part of your eyes are scanning for predators or somebody coming towards you, a bus flying towards you, that's Moundier de Goerbe.
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  Even if your eyes are in the book, your ears, all your senses are involved.
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  That's another system in this context.
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  And just left unchecked, just to auto run.
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  If you're somebody, know, whether you've got ADHD or you're just hyper, you've just had a couple of Red Bulls, you know, energy drink or whatever.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  know, you're not helping that your nerves can be fried, lack of sleep, things like that.
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  You know, some people too much caffeine, anything that has a negative effect on you, you're not performing at your best.
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  what appears to be woo is actually the realization that the oxygenation of the human body in certain patterns can slow down and reframe and that in itself brings the nervous system
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  to where it should be.
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  If you weren't drinking Red Bull and caffeine.
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  and, you know, pride, and if you were getting a good sleep.
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  And that's all it is.
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  It's resetting to what it should be.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  So it's it's almost like we're tr bringing the body back to stasis.
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  So our our heartbeat, our breath, our visualization, et cetera, et cetera, were more present, is the is the term that you used, uh it's the term that you used earlier.
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  Is that does that sound about right?
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  Yeah, it's very right.
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  mean, presence and the mindfulness to take that a step further.
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  That is in business, we spend a lot of our time.
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  If you think about it, if you're thinking purely in a business mind, you're sat in an office, you're either thinking of what you did last week.
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  Well, that went well, or those sales were better.
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  What caused that?
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  So that in the future, we're going to do this.
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  We're going to roll this out next week.
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  We've got it.
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  Not many people are pausing to enjoy the moment in the present.
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  How much of a businessman entrepreneur's day is spent looking around and thinking, I did this.
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  This is awesome.
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  This is great.
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  I always wanted to do this.
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  I I do that.
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  I'll take a time like at least three times a day to just stop.
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  I have this thing where I know because I've done it many times, I know a future version of myself is looking back, remembering and thinking, that was great that time.
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  So I've just come back from New York I mentioned before we came on.
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  There's a future version of myself that's going, remember that time we were doing that big illusion show and there was a car on fire by the side of the East River and that was
• 22:49
  awesome, So knowing that when I was there last week, I paused for a moment, I looked around, I'm being paid a ton of money to be here.
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  Like people would settle, know, give their right arm to be here and yet here I am.
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  And it just brings everything in and they say, yeah, life's good.
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  Right, where were we?
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  Pick a radio, open your car, you're energized, you're enjoying it.
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  You know, and it makes life fun because too many people are like stuck in the past with regrets or stuck in the future planning this and before they know it, the years have
• 23:18
  rolled on and what's it really all about, you know?
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  So it's a bit, it's the same as that.
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  So just to be present, to be mindful that is doing that.
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  The mind is present looking around, soaking it all up and just for that mind, body and soul for that moment is just aligned and in a good place.
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  And it's only good for you.
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  There's nothing negative ever about doing it.
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  So why wouldn't you do it?
• 23:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  What what what occurs to me is is uh the idea of memorializing, you know, some of these moments.
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  You know, like you said, you know, looking at the companies like I built this company or I built this, you know, this podcast or whatever it is.
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  And, you know, perhaps having some visual tool representation that says, hey, you know what, we did, you know, XYZ, we interviewed Curtis Rivers, yes, you know, get a picture,
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  you know, signed autograph or something like that.
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  I mean, I I see I see the benefit of that.
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  What is
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  Is this a you said you do it three times a day.
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  Is is this a a habit that you've developed?
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  Is this something that you just realized that you needed to do?
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  Is this something that you work with your clients on?
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  What what do you recommend to what do what do you recommend to c to to our listeners?
• 24:26
  So I do this kind of thing with my clients.
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  And it's a mixture because partly you want to immerse the subconscious mind.
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  That part I mentioned earlier, that's looking around, looking for that danger.
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  It's also taking something and you can have a positive affirmation behind your monitor.
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  And even if you're working away, a part of your brain is taking that in.
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  But again, it's about being in the present.
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  Not, can't wait to make, to double my money next year.
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  Because that's always in the future.
• 24:56
  Interesting.
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  it great when I made a million two years ago?
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  Kind of been and gone, it's irrelevant, right?
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  All that matters really is what's now.
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  An affirmation, I'm so happy and grateful that I make X amount of million a year wherever you earn.
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  Now that figure can be a little bit more than is actually in your bank account.
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  Now it's irrelevant.
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  uh You're subconscious to seeing that and certain things, places, situations, synchronicities.
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  I've been doing this for decades and proving it absolutely beyond doubt.
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  I raised an eyebrow when I first got into this, but I've tested it to destruction and it's led to me writing books, breaking world records and working on some great movies and
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  things.
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  And I'm the most ordinary, basic person you could ever meet.
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  I'm absolutely nothing special more than anyone else.
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  And yet, like everyone else, I've got these, I've got a pair of hands to go out there with the ability to graft.
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  Tenacity to not give up.
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  But I've learned all of these different techniques that anyone can do.
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  They're not difficult.
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  It just requires the desire to do it.
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  Do you really, really want that thing?
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  You know, this is a conversation early days.
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  What is it you really want?
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  You know, because you can talk to somebody, well, I want that house with that swimming pool.
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  I've always wanted that car, I can never seem to get it.
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  want, you know, after a 10 minute conversation, but why do you want that car?
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  Why do you want that house?
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  Well, because of this, this and this, but why this?
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  And it comes down to actually, they want freedom.
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  That's what they want.
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  The other things are simple.
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  So cut that out.
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  And I'm so happy and grateful to.
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  Enjoy this freedom.
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  That could be an affirmation.
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  You know, back that up with images because some people are very auditory.
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  Some people are very visual, you know, some more kinesthetic touchy feely.
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  And so I work with clients and we just re-change, recharge their complete uh subconscious system.
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  it's like software running in the background.
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  They need updates.
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  So periodic updates, just like your cell phone does.
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  and it works away in the background and things start to change quite rapidly.
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  You your beliefs change and therefore your feelings change as a result.
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  have the thoughts that they affect different feelings.
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  So your actions by default are different.
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  Somebody going out into the world and grafting and putting in the work in an aligned way can only bring in aligned results and their life transforms quite quickly.
• 27:13
  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's interesting.
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  I um I was not a believer in in affirmations um for for a very, very long time.
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  And I found myself, I think it was like last year, you know, I star I started, you know, just writing them down.
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  And it was it was came from a perspective of of gratefulness.
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  Um, you know, I was you know, just thankful for certain thing, you know, for for a number of different things.
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  And the interesting thing that happened is it crept into my language.
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  into the way into the way that I was speaking and the way that I was responding to things.
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  And I was I was really surprised by that.
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  I was really taken back.
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  It was just like, wow, you know, whatever I've been missing out on you know, first and foremost.
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  But, you know, it's it's a really it's a really, really powerful tool.
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  One of the things and you know, I'd I'd love for you to to perhaps expand on this, but you know, one of the things I found or one of the things that was important to me is is
• 28:06
  authenticity.
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  You know, meaning that I don't want to go through and just say the same things, you know, by rote every single time because then it just becomes I I suspect that it would become
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  less less powerful for me.
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  And so sometimes I find myself, you know, ad living a little bit.
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  what what are your thoughts on that?
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  Yeah, so there's two elements.
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  So there's the conscious part of your mind would spot that.
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  And this is feeling wrote.
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  is because we've been saying the same thing every day for the last so many months.
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  It's becoming has no meaning.
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  Now, you're okay with that your subconscious mind doesn't care.
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  Your subconscious mind doesn't know right and wrong light and dark, it takes it literally.
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  So that's why you would never say in an affirmation, I'm so glad I'm not broke.
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  because all your subconscious mind is broke.
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  So it's a scarcity mindset.
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  That's already running in a lot of people.
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  So I've been grateful that money flows to me on a regular basis from multiple sources.
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  I'm so happy and grateful that the money flows through me so that can help other people make a difference in this world.
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  I see things like that as a big infinity symbol in my mind.
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  I close my eyes and I literally visualize.
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  I actually visualize emojis.
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  give my secrets away.
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  So I'll imagine like a little heart emojis flowing to me as people being really thankful for the way I help a lot of people.
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  But it flows through me in that infinity.
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  And I'm thankful to you know, I'm really grateful to help.
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  I want to do things.
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  I look every day for ways that I can help people you know, so I look for that.
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  So I'm happy to be helping people.
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  And then it flows around and then emojis might turn to little dollar signs and pan signs in England.
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  where people are paying me money and I'm graciously paying money forward to charities and to other people and helping the people less fortunate.
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  I want to do that.
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  I'm looking for opportunities.
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  Who can I help and support?
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  And these people are enabling that.
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  So if we're all, you know, you're breathing it all in, you're breathing it all out, you know, all that gratitude flows to you and you flow it all back out into the universe, you
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  know.
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  So you're in this complete infinity symbol.
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  So in terms of keeping it fresh,
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  Affirmations read in the background by subconscious, they can stay the same all the time.
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  That could be a poster, post-it notes, that kind of thing.
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  When you're reading them out, because you're conscious of that, yeah, you can mix it up.
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  And what it is is one of the key things when you read it consciously is you're trying to evoke a feeling, you know?
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  So I put together little slideshows that I read as part of my morning routine.
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  press play.
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  I'm attracting a place in a different country at the moment, like a villa with a pool and a nice view.
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  And to some people would I roll?
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  Yeah, of course you are.
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  But you and I will talk in a few years and I'll do a podcast from that poolside, you know, because I've been doing it so long.
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  know it works, which is a powerful thing.
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  I'm evoking the feeling I'll put little notes on so I can smell the chlorine in that photograph of the pool.
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  I look at a door in the background of a photo and imagine that goes through to the kitchen.
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  So I can feel the heat of that wooden
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  patio as I walk into that kitchen on my soles, my feet as I go in.
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  And each thing I do, every photo, there's a photo of a kitchen with the sun in the background.
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  I've got a photo of some stairs and going up to these rooms and I've, you know, mentally walked up those stairs so many times that I feel like the carpet between my toes almost
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  and see emotionally get involved.
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  And all it is, a feeling of, is great.
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  Thank you.
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  know, to whatever's greater than yourself.
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  you know, whether that's religion, spirituality, whatever is you perceive to be great.
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  Thank you.
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  This is great.
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  And it's all going to be paid forward.
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  It's just, you know, we are allowed to have nice things.
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  We do a lot of good.
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  Hopefully what we do makes the world a better place in some way.
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  And that's recompense to be happy doing so.
• 31:52
  So you can be grateful for that.
• 31:55
  I I I like that concept of of flowing.
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  I um I I I found that I've I've I've found, you know, a s a similar, you know, conclusion where it's just like, you know, you hold on to, you know, hold on to all the money or, you
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  know, whatever that is, and it tends to slow down, but you know, just kind of letting it flow, you know, through and it it tends to it tends to move.
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  As I mean, as long as you're doing the things you're supposed to do.
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  I I thought that was really remarkable.
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  It was again, you know, I got to experience that.
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  That was something that, you know, I was skeptical of
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  about.
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  And then it's just like, wow, this is this is really interesting.
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  Let me, you know, continue.
• 32:31
  One of the um one of the things that I'm that I'm finding interesting on on my journey is like, you know, when I look to the future, it's it's kind of it's it's almost like like
• 32:42
  Bilba Baggins or or Frodo Baggins, you where it's just like I don't know where the journey's gonna go.
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  You know what I mean?
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  I'm I'm you know, I've got my mission and I'm gonna keep moving, you know, keep putting one foot in front of the other.
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  But, you know, there's not that that pool side, you know, somewhere in the future where I'm just like, okay, you know, I I I know exactly what it's gonna look like.
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  And, you know, sometimes, you know, I I wonder, I'm I'm, you know, I'm not afraid of this, you know, just to be clear.
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  But you know, sometimes I wonder if I should have more grounding, you know, towards, you know, what that that future looks like.
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  What what are your thoughts on that?
• 33:21
  Well, I would throw that back at you and say, how do you feel when you describe that Bilbo Baggins?
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  How do you feel when you think that you're not crystal clear on what your future's like?
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  Is that exciting or is it worrying?
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  Where does that land with you?
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  It's it's exciting for me.
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  It's it's exciting for me.
• 33:40
  Um it's interesting because I think that there are people that w certain people that want me to make certain commitments to them and I won't make the commitments because I don't
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  know where the journey's gonna go.
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  You know.
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  great.
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  it's so a reason I asked that because I'm the same.
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  I have certain flow in that direction, career wise, where I don't know where it's going to go.
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  And I find that exciting.
• 34:05
  You know, I've just finished on a TV show that a year ago wouldn't have thought of done some friends that work with years ago had a project would I like to be involved.
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  I've slept on it and thought about it made me excited.
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  You know what?
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  Okay.
• 34:17
  I have a situation I'm blessed to be able to press an off button and finish with some clients.
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  Usually take clients on like an eight week journey so I can press stop, finish the eight week journey with them and then fly to a different country and work on something fun.
• 34:31
  Get back, have a little stretch and then press play again and inflow these people to help.
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  And you know, I'm in control of that.
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  As we all are really, we're in control of our destiny and it's by design.
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  So I'm excited because I don't know.
• 34:44
  I know I'll work on some filming things in the future, much less than I'm doing coaching.
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  Will I write another book?
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  Probably.
• 34:52
  It's all really exciting, you know.
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  So long as that's the case, then what you're putting out to the universe is one of excitement and flow and being connected and willing to bend, you know, during the tough
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  times like a tree, you know, to spring back, you know, not to resist, just to let go.
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  And going back to your earlier thing that that's pivotal for a lot of entrepreneurs.
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  As entrepreneurs, we've all experienced that feast of famine, you know, we've borrowed oftentimes to get things going.
• 35:19
  We've dealt with the naysayers, this will never work and we're trying to prove them wrong and then it's time to go well, but not maybe as well as we thought and gosh, I've been
• 35:27
  doing this, do I do this for another year?
• 35:29
  Some people are saying, give it up, it's a pipe dream.
• 35:31
  You've gave it a try, your best shot.
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  No, no, no, I want to do this.
• 35:35
  So all these emotions, once the money flows, it's not unusual to grab onto it and hold onto it too tight.
• 35:43
  And that has a net, as you've found out, it causes it to stagnate.
• 35:48
  It's like a water analogy, know, it is flow.
• 35:51
  It's an energy and you've got to look at it like that and look at it flowing to you and look at where you look downstream to where you allow that to flow to the little
• 36:00
  tributaries you create to help and make a difference in the world.
• 36:03
  You know, maybe yourself and your family and your extended family, your community, the bigger picture, you know, and the more you do that, the more it's coming upstream and
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  flowing to you.
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  Any little damning you do to haunt and be greedy and you're just, you know, shooting yourself in the foot.
• 36:17
  It will just stagnate and slow down to, and there'll be a drought.
• 36:21
  And you and I have both learned that the hard way.
• 36:24
  Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
• 36:26
  If if we weren't if we weren't talking about money, and we're talking about part of what what I gathered from you in terms of like, you know, helping out other people, um that
• 36:39
  same energy that we're using to to give to other people, I mean, is is is that still part of that infinity model where and and I wanna I want to caution
• 36:51
  My concern sometimes is that we focus on giving so that we can get rather than giving altruistically.
• 37:00
  So where where does where does that fit into your thinking?
• 37:06
  See, when you said that, I find that jarring.
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  That's how far away from giving to receive I am.
• 37:14
  So that just comes over years of behaving in a certain way to know in some way I'll get something back.
• 37:23
  But in the same way that you
• 37:25
  mentioned, it's exciting, not knowing aspects of your future journey, you're going with the flow, and it's kind of exciting to see, will it go this way, that either way, you
• 37:32
  know, you're on board, and it will be aligned, because you're in tune and everything.
• 37:36
  In the same way, if I'm helping somebody out, and I'm, you know, giving my energy to that person, my love, my attention, I so want them to succeed.
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  And the last thing on my mind is recompense.
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  Because I know, you know, if it weren't to come from that person, it could come from something else.
• 37:57
  I've got so many income streams and ways of that energy flowing back to me.
• 38:02
  And I get some really surprised, sometimes it will dry up with clients at a certain time of the year, just out of the blue.
• 38:07
  And I think that's unexpected.
• 38:08
  I've not done anything different.
• 38:10
  But rather than panic, I'm like, okay, I've been given a couple of weeks here to maybe this is the time I need to rejig that website that I've been meaning to do.
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  And it's a gift.
• 38:19
  So I'm not going to worry, it's coming.
• 38:21
  carry on, they'll do that.
• 38:23
  And I'll get an unexpected like repeat fee residual, honestly, from a show that I did 20 years ago that I'd forgotten I even did.
• 38:30
  I'll get like $9,000 will just drop in.
• 38:32
  There you go.
• 38:32
  Oh, thank you very much.
• 38:34
  That's that side, you know, for a little while longer.
• 38:36
  It's a little bits and pieces come in.
• 38:38
  And after years and years of this, you kind of have a right smile and a twinkle in your eye and it's all good.
• 38:44
  I don't give to receive.
• 38:46
  To the contrary, I actually probably do the other way.
• 38:49
  I'm always looking out and about.
• 38:51
  You know that thing of, you've ever done it where you pass somebody, I've done this where they've broken down before most things were electric, you know, and you pull over, you're
• 39:01
  okay, I've run out of fuel, but we haven't got a little jerrycan.
• 39:05
  And in the past, I've like, do you want to jump in and bear with me?
• 39:08
  What is it?
• 39:09
  Unleaded, driven to a garage, bought a jerrycan, filled it, come back, filled it up.
• 39:13
  I'm not doing it to impress anyone.
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  I'm not filming myself doing it for, you know, social media.
• 39:19
  It's just, no one knows.
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  I know, you know, that's the key thing I know.
• 39:24
  And putting that fuel in, leaving them with the jerry can.
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  don't you want it?
• 39:27
  I know you won't next time you run out, you'll have a jerry can.
• 39:31
  thank you.
• 39:32
  Sure.
• 39:32
  Let me give you.
• 39:32
  No, honestly, it's fine.
• 39:34
  And you can see that there's a matter of color, creed, age, you know, background you are.
• 39:40
  There's people get a lump in their throat.
• 39:44
  They feel moved and they're touched by the same sauce in that moment of like gratitude, you know, that's enough for me.
• 39:50
  Yeah.
• 39:51
  I go out every day looking for that sometimes it's helping somebody who's homeless or know tipping a waitress who's been really good like generously.
• 40:00
  Just what can I do today to make the world a brighter place without being corny and that is almost selfish.
• 40:06
  I love that feeling so you could say that's a selfish element.
• 40:10
  I'm doing that because it makes me feel good so it's the opposite of giving to receive.
• 40:15
  Yeah, I hear you.
• 40:16
  I hear you.
• 40:16
  I I find myself doing the same thing.
• 40:18
  I'd love for people to feel seen.
• 40:20
  You know, uh just going out and say, Hey, how you doing?
• 40:22
  you know, et cetera, et cetera.
• 40:23
  You give them the give the big, you know, authentic smile.
• 40:26
  It's just like, Hey, I see you.
• 40:28
  You know, and then they get to take you know, I imagine they take that and they take that, you know, wherever else they're going.
• 40:33
  Their their life is a little bit better.
• 40:34
  Um I th I think that's wonderful.
• 40:36
  I think that's a
• 40:38
  I think it's beautiful to be able to arrive at that place, you know, because the reality is you realize you're not on this planet on your own.
• 40:46
  You're just for your own existence.
• 40:48
  You know, you're part of a you're part of a bigger system, you know, and you're not blocking that system from being productive.
• 40:54
  So I I I think that's absolutely fantastic.
• 40:57
  I'm really curious.
• 40:58
  Um, you know, we we've got uh again, you know, our audience is they these are entrepreneurs, you know, and I'm really curious.
• 41:06
  If you have a story about perhaps an entrepreneur that came to you that I'm gonna use the term stuck, you know, an entrepreneur that came to you that was stuck, you know, in in
• 41:15
  whatever whatever place in life they were, where you kind of guided them through to a better place and gave them the tools that they need so they can, you know, really graduate
• 41:26
  from working from working with.
• 41:29
  lots, lots of, looking for common themes would be strangely enough.
• 41:39
  um And you would think there's no relation, but a lack of self-worth.
• 41:44
  And you'd think, what has that got to do with it?
• 41:46
  But this is a common theme, male, female.
• 41:50
  It doesn't matter, different age groups that I've had of entrepreneurs that I've worked with, managing directors and some big players as well.
• 41:57
  You'd be surprised.
• 41:58
  who, know, in confidence come to me and we'll chat through and you think, gosh, and when it whittles down to the basics, it's for various reasons, but a lack of self worth that
• 42:11
  can be worked on because there's a reason for that.
• 42:14
  I do hypnosis, that kind of thing.
• 42:17
  I've got different tools in order.
• 42:19
  doesn't matter which tool it is, you're doing the same thing as going into that subconscious mind.
• 42:24
  That has a knock on effect to the nervous system.
• 42:26
  but it's not all about that.
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  For me, my key thing is to go in and jiggle that programming that's working.
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  Oftentimes when we put in there without us realizing we've had some trauma or somebody said something, we've experienced something.
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  It could be decades ago.
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  And just that ability to put on a brave face in business.
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  you know, I've had men there with that mentality to, man up, you know, that that thing kicks in of being a man means to be tough and, you know, a ball breaker as it were.
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  where I work with them in a way, the things that I've learned is like a balancing of the masculine and the feminine.
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  And that might sound a bit strange, but you know, there are feminine qualities that are really beneficial, whatever your sex for males and females and likewise, you know, there's
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  a time to be strong and firm and have that masculine strength.
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  And then there are times to be soft and gentle and kind and listen.
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  And to me, a well-rounded individual balances both in almost equal measure and can drift either way between that middle ground, you know?
• 43:35
  So we work in that area and within that balancing out process comes a realization like, course you're worthy, of course you're worthy, you know?
• 43:44
  Just by removing that limit and belief, that can, I've seen people go from stagnation to suddenly the money flows again.
• 43:52
  They get out of their own way.
• 43:54
  Yeah.
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  And part of that is realizing, and it's quite harsh to say this, to look at you in the eye and say it, but it's your fault.
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  No matter what situation they've come to me with, they sometimes come as a victim and then they leave as a survivor.
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  It doesn't matter what they've gone through.
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  It's their fault because they said yes to that thing or they stuck around for way too long in that situation.
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  Or they went to that thing in the first place.
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  Ultimately, when you unpack it,
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  they have to take responsibility because we create our own worlds, our own life.
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  And rather than that sound harsh, the realization is like mind blowing when they wake up and have that epiphany of like, gosh, he's right.
• 44:36
  I did say, but that means if I'm in control, then I can do, and be anything if I put my heart and soul into it.
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  yeah, I accept that.
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  So that victim mentality is dropped.
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  if it's a bad thing they've been through, they're a survivor, that's way more positive.
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  I survived that and this is who I am now and I've taken all of them things and I'm using them as powerful tools now to help others avoid similar pitfalls and I'm gonna use them to
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  move forward with strength and in alignment, you know.
• 45:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:09
  What what ha what happens?
• 45:10
  Um, and I I'm I'm reading into this.
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  This is this is observational, this isn't anything that I anything that I've I've read about.
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  But what happens when you work with someone that defines themselves, you know, by their trauma?
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  This happened to me.
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  And, you know, every conversation, this thing happened to me, this thing happened to me.
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  And it's like this thing happened to me.
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  So I, you know, always respond this this how do this this certain way.
• 45:35
  How do you how do you work with people?
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  How do people come out of that place?
• 45:41
  It's the journey is similar, but it has variations because I can see early days because of, you know, it's not my first rodeo.
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  I can see this in their language early on, like literally on the first session.
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  You can't just come out and say, Hey, stop, enough of that.
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  You know, or a victim.
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  So this is where this NLP comes in, the neuro linguistic programming.
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  So there's a method.
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  It can be used actually in a manipulative way.
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  If you're wired, certain people in corporate business have used it for gain.
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  But when applied in a loving way, in a kind way, you gain rapport with somebody by mirroring their actions, their tonality, their voice.
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  And at a certain point, you will then change your posture and tonality and observe it change in them, which means you've made a connection.
• 46:35
  Mm.
• 46:35
  As you speak to that person consciously, you're saying certain things to their subconscious.
• 46:40
  Sounds bizarre, but say, say I said to a client, know, I want you to do this, this and this because you are worthy at the end of the day.
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  In that sentence, I said, I want you to do this, this and this because, and then I put a micro pause in there before I said the phrase, you are worthy.
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  And then I carried it on.
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  You didn't perceive that, but if you played this back.
• 47:03
  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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  what I just did.
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  So little commands, that's what the subconscious listens to.
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  I'm simplifying it, but by dropping in key phrases, it starts to get soaked up, unbeknown to the person that you're speaking to.
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  So they'll wake up and just feel ever so slightly better the next day.
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  It's very, very subtle.
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  So there's little things like that to begin with.
• 47:26
  then I work, you know, going back to the Wu, I work on an energetic level.
• 47:30
  I work on the meridians and there's a thing called EFT tapping.
• 47:34
  You've seen people tapping on.
• 47:36
  Again, I was very skeptical when it began that and it's transformational.
• 47:41
  I've done it in my own life.
• 47:43
  Incredible for getting rid of, turns out who knew that certain traumatic experiences are stored in our bodies and energetically our bodies go exceed beyond our physical tissues.
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  And we can contain certain dense
• 48:00
  you know, reactions, emotions, energetically there, right?
• 48:05
  And held for long enough, they can materialize in the physical body as ailments, aches, pains.
• 48:12
  So you can actually, again, using these various techniques, let go of that.
• 48:17
  And this is much quicker than in my experience than NLP, which can be a series of sessions, you know, usually if NLP people will say something different.
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  In my experience, it can be three or four sessions.
• 48:29
  If it's pure NLP to get somebody reprogrammed and rid of their limiting belief and to replace that with a positive one.
• 48:35
  The FTA have done it in 40 minutes in one session.
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  And it's forever.
• 48:39
  It's not like putting a bandaid on something that that will forever be gone.
• 48:44
  Once it's gone, it's gone.
• 48:45
  You've just let go and released that dead stagnant energy and it's gone.
• 48:49
  So going back to your initial question, you want to hold their hand from being the victim to taking ownership, realizing they're a survivor.
• 48:59
  and that that thing happened in the past, which is already gone, breathe deeply and to enjoy the present where they've survived that.
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  That's not them.
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  doesn't define them.
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  They're actually way better than that.
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  They are worthy and they're in charge.
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  So what do you want to do?
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  What kind of life do you want?
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  Let's set about creating that right now.
• 49:15
  And it gets exciting again.
• 49:18
  Yeah, that was gonna be my next question.
• 49:19
  I mean, they don't know, you know, they're not familiar with that version of themselves that's not associated with, you know, whatever they experienced.
• 49:26
  And so it's just like how do they become, you know, what's what's their d what does their journey look like at that point?
• 49:31
  So thank you for answering that question.
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  It's all right.
• 49:34
  It's within is the truth.
• 49:36
  It's cheesy.
• 49:36
  It's corny.
• 49:37
  The answers within but but it is.
• 49:41
  It's usually like layer after layer of armor that I have to strip away.
• 49:45
  Well, I don't I encourage the client to the client does the work.
• 49:49
  I can open the door they have to walk through.
• 49:51
  They're stripping away the armor, removing that mask, sometimes several masks, having a good cry.
• 49:58
  And the real them has been there all along.
• 50:00
  You know, frightened, you know.
• 50:02
  And when that's exposed in the daylight hits their real selves again.
• 50:05
  As an adult, it's liberating to it's effortless because when I was that stunt man putting on that act, that took a lot of energy.
• 50:14
  You know, it took effort to be that person is exhausting sometimes.
• 50:19
  I just wanted to be at home, sat with my feet up or doing my thing.
• 50:24
  It exhausting doing that, like pretending to be somebody else.
• 50:26
  So when you let that armor go, if I go on a film set now, I'm in a colorless shirt.
• 50:32
  I can openly, they know what I've done.
• 50:34
  They've read my books and they accept me for that.
• 50:37
  Oh, I'm not stunned goes into that stuff.
• 50:38
  He's does all this and they ask questions about they're interested.
• 50:41
  And if it's not their thing, they can I roll and get on with their day.
• 50:44
  It doesn't usually the fact that I'm with these people, they know and like me for who I am, not for somebody I'm pretending to be.
• 50:51
  it's incredibly liberating and just effortless when you're in that place.
• 50:56
  It it you know, it I mean, all of this just makes me, you know, think, you know, we we just don't know ourselves and we don't know our capabilities as as human beings.
• 51:06
  You know, I mean there's bec and it's just because, you know, we're not raised
• 51:12
  learning these things.
• 51:12
  We're not raised, you know, understanding, you know, energy and, you know, breathing techniques and, you know, our nervous system, you know, resetting and and that sort of
• 51:21
  thing.
• 51:21
  And and because we're not raised that way, because we're not taught that way, you know, it it comes across as, you know, something strange to us.
• 51:29
  But, you know, talking to you, talking to other people, you know, the the conversation is the same.
• 51:37
  You know, we're we're we're energy and we're
• 51:40
  you know, complex beings and we don't have to be reactive.
• 51:43
  And we can, you know, sit back and and uh kind of observe ourselves and our situations before we respond.
• 51:49
  I mean, there's there's just so much to us.
• 51:52
  You know, and as an entrepreneur, you know, it's so much of our journey is not predictable.
• 51:58
  You know, even though we might say, hey, next year I want to earn a million dollars or 10 million dollars or whatever that is, it's it's it's a goal.
• 52:05
  You know, it's not something we can say, okay, that's that's that's happening.
• 52:09
  You know, um, it's the because there are just too many things that can happen between now and next year.
• 52:14
  So I I I'm I'm really grateful, you know, for for everything that you shared here.
• 52:19
  Um, one last question I have for you is uh name of the show obviously is the Relentless Pursuit of Winning podcast.
• 52:26
  And of course you're familiar with Relentless.
• 52:28
  Um everybody defines winning in whatever, you know, however they want to, which is absolutely fantastic.
• 52:36
  The difficulty that
• 52:37
  some people face is maintaining that relentless pursuit.
• 52:41
  So my question for you is, what would you recommend to someone so that they maintain that r relentless pursuit?
• 52:49
  What's excellent question.
• 52:51
  I would say that you need to make sure you know that phrase, careful what you wish for.
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  Ask yourself why you're pursuing this thing in order to be able to pursue it relentlessly.
• 53:06
  Why do you want that thing?
• 53:07
  Somebody wants $10 million.
• 53:09
  Why is that then?
• 53:10
  Well, because it's 10 million, nine more than a mate.
• 53:13
  But why?
• 53:13
  Like, you know, what are they trying to prove?
• 53:15
  Who are they proving it to?
• 53:17
  What do they actually want?
• 53:19
  and unpack that first.
• 53:21
  Because if they want that to show off to a competitor who they've disliked and they want to be better than them, or a million other scenarios that aren't grounded and real and
• 53:31
  authentic, they don't really know, they're kind of oftentimes having inferiority complex or again, low self-worth, they're out to prove something, they got turned down by some
• 53:44
  girlfriend 20 years ago and it never got over it and some weird things when you're...
• 53:48
  You know, you hypnotize somebody and you go back and you find the core of these things.
• 53:53
  It never ceases to amaze.
• 53:55
  Ask yourself what you really, really want and make sure you're absolutely aligned with it.
• 54:01
  In other words, you would do this if you won the lottery tomorrow.
• 54:03
  This is something you're so in love with doing that you will put and being relentless will just come all by itself.
• 54:10
  Natural is breathing in.
• 54:12
  Mm.
• 54:13
  Yeah.
• 54:14
  Yeah.
• 54:14
  Yeah.
• 54:14
  Understand that why.
• 54:15
  That's that's that's so that's so that's so foundational.
• 54:19
  Good stuff, good stuff.
• 54:20
  You have a you have a giveaway for our audience.
• 54:23
  Did you want to talk about that?
• 54:26
  Yeah, I mean, a lot of the things we're talking about, I'm encouraging people to stop and take stock, to consider and ponder just to stop thinking of the past and the future for a
• 54:35
  minute and become present and look at where they're at now.
• 54:39
  So I've developed a tool, it's free, it's called the Alignment Compass.
• 54:43
  It's just a download series of questions, things to ponder, a little chart to fill in, it's a very quick thing to do.
• 54:50
  But I have some great feedback.
• 54:52
  It's something that I offer to a client.
• 54:55
  as part of their journey, they're on board and we go through this alignment compass.
• 54:59
  And it's quite surprising.
• 55:01
  It just, you know, it's a few aha moments.
• 55:03
  So if anybody's not 100 % certain, 100%, this is exactly everything in my life is perfect.
• 55:11
  Perfect career, relationships, finances, health.
• 55:14
  If any of them are in question, I'd urge any listeners that are curious just to download this freebie and fill it in.
• 55:21
  And I think you'll find it very interesting.
• 55:23
  So it's the alignment compass.
• 55:25
  And surprise, surprise, it's at www.alignmentcompass.com.
• 55:30
  Surprised.
• 55:31
  Um, if anyone w wants to get in touch with you, work with you, what's the best way to do that?
• 55:38
  I'm across all social media, but if they just go to curtisrivers.com, my details are on there to reach out to me or to book on a call and open to jumping on a call with anybody
• 55:49
  who feels that they need some help in their life.
• 55:52
  Fantastic, fantastic.
• 55:53
  Thank you so much for that.
• 55:54
  I appreciate that.
• 55:55
  And thank you so much for being on the show.
• 55:57
  We really enjoyed our conversation.
• 55:59
  Likewise, absolute pleasure, Rick.
• 56:00
  Thanks for having me.
• 56:01
  Absolutely, absolutely.
• 56:02
  And folks, thank you so much for watching or listening to another episode of the Relentless Pursuit of Winning podcast.
• 56:07
  We'll catch you next time.