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Becoming Anchored S1E12: The Intersection between Mental Health and Physical Symptoms with Laura Gordey · Becoming Anchored

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Hi everyone, welcome to the Becoming Anger podcast.
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I'm so, so glad that you're here with us today.
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Um, just to introduce myself again, I am Lauren Jackson.
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I am a therapist in a private practice in the Brentwood, Tennessee area.
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Um, uh, we specialize in working with a lot of different clients presenting
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from anxiety, depression, eating disorders, all through the lifespan.
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Um, we really love what we do and we're just so So excited to be kind of expanding
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our platform to the podcast realm and reaching you guys in a different way and
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sharing our heart this way with you all.
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So I'm super excited about this episode today.
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We have a really amazing guest and I can't wait to get into the content
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of what we're going to talk about because it's some stuff that I'm
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super passionate about as well.
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So before we do that, just a quick disclaimer that we give it.
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the beginning of each episode.
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All the information here is meant for informational purposes only.
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This is not meant to be a substitute for mental health or
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physical health by any means.
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If you are finding that as you're listening to our content and our
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conversation that you benefit from therapy, please either
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reach out if you're local to us, we would love to work with you.
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And if you're not, find somebody local who is licensed.
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So today I'm so excited.
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We have Laura with us.
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Laura Gordy is a physical, a doctor of physical therapy.
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Um, um, so I'm going to let her get into a little bit more
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of who she is, what she does.
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all the really cool things that she does.
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But Laura, we're so incredibly excited to have you and your wisdom.
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So can you just start by telling us who you are, what you do,
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and kind of what got you there?
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Sure.
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Really happy to be here, Lauren, and really honored to, uh, be able to
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share my passion with your audience, considering I talk to y'all all the time.
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So, um, it's great to be able to talk to you via Zoom or whatever this is.
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Yes.
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Yeah, so I, like Lauren said, I have a doctorate in physical therapy,
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but my, my passion is women.
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So, helping women heal, live the life they want to live, move the
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way they want to move, have the.
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Yeah.
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sexual, I don't know how graphic we can get on this podcast, but like have the
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sexual relationship they want to have.
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Yeah.
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That's when we need confident and be able to trust their bodies.
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And so my education is a doctorate of physical therapy.
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But from that, I went on to focus on pelvic floor health, women's health.
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So this is not what we're going to talk about today.
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It's not something that all physical or occupational
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therapists would know how to do.
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There's PTs and OTs that specialize in shoulder rehab or ACL repair.
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Um, just like there are ones like myself who specialize in pelvic floor health.
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Also factoring into what we're talking about today is my passion
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and education around trauma and healing trauma in the body.
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My education is through somatic experiencing.
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If you want to look it up, somatic is a real hot topic word right now
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and somatic experiencing is one of the avenues in which you can get
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trained to work with this Amazing.
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Amazing.
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Um, yeah, you said something a second ago, and I know this is part of what
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we're talking about today, but, um, in describing what, um, what you love to
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do and who you love to work with, that being women and helping women heal and
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helping women learn to trust their bodies.
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And that really resonates with me just because of, you know, the work that we do
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on the mental health side of things, um, because I feel like that's what I'm in the
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business of doing with my clients as well.
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And it just is so fascinating, probably to a lot of our listeners too, that, um, a
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physical therapist is saying that, right?
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That a physical therapist is saying.
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I want to help my clients trust their body again.
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Um, and so I know that the uniqueness of your work tends towards the pelvic
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health piece of things, right, with women.
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Um, and so I'm just curious with, with maybe that lens of specialty that you
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have in the physical therapy world as well as your trauma informed lens, um,
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how you are typically seeing physical, the physical symptomology that's
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coming through your door intersecting with somebody's mental health.
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I know that's a big question.
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But it is.
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It is.
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It's okay.
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It's okay.
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Yeah.
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Um, we were talking earlier, just so I know, Lauren and I were talking earlier
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about how I could talk about this stuff forever and we can get real deep.
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So I'm going to try and keep it real concise.
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Maybe we'll make this like a series.
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Girl, I love to teach.
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Great question.
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Great question.
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Even before I knew about trauma work or was educated in it, we used to always
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joke or talk about how it felt like pelvic floor health was 90 percent mental health
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therapy and 10 percent physical therapy.
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So much of what we're doing in the pelvic health realm has to do with
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somebody's mental and emotional state.
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And the obvious factors are going to be someone who is experiencing pain, pelvic
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pain, pain with sex, low back pain, someone who maybe just had a baby and is
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experiencing the changes in their body.
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Those things seem, for a lot of people, obvious, that there would be a
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mental and emotional component there, but there's also a lot of mental and
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emotional ties to even someone who's experiencing leaking, and that affects
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a So much of how you feel about your body, how you relate to the world
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around you, how you choose your clothes, how you feel about your sexuality.
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And so there's a big bridge between the physical body and the mental
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body and how we Combine those things in in trauma treatment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I'm curious too because obviously your your lens is very much so not just
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the physical piece but also the emotional and mental health piece of things, which
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again, I think a lot of us would say, wow, that is so unique to a physical therapist.
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Um, what, what is your approach in addressing with the client, how their
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mental health could be a factor in whatever they're, you know, coming
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to you for physically speaking.
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Right.
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Right.
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Some of the people who are coming into the office are coming for,
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they know why they're there.
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They know their trauma.
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They know they're here because they're having postpartum depression.
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They're here because they hate their spouse and it's affecting their sex life.
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They know what the emotional mental component is, but a lot of people don't.
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So, for example, I had a, Postpartum momma, not everyone I see is pregnant
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or postpartum, but for example, I had a postpartum momma recently who, um,
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could not understand why she'd never had a history with pain with sex before.
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Never had an issue having an orgasm.
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Um, again, stop me if I'm like being too, I say these words every day, all day.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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So good.
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It's so good.
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We can edit it out if we need to.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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You're always welcome to bleep me out.
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But anyway, she's never had an issue with these things in her past.
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And so she couldn't understand, she's like, what's wrong with me that now that
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I'm postpartum, I don't want to have sex.
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I hate my husband.
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It's a little bit uncomfortable, um, a lot uncomfortable to have penetrative
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sex and I can't have an orgasm.
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And when I do, it feels really weak.
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And so.
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For me, all these red flags of mental and emotional things are not red flags,
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but these flags of, okay, there's a huge mental and emotional component here
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as it is with most postpartum women.
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And so for some, for a lot of people, we just gently try to
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May bring awareness around that.
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Okay.
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Wow, that's really hard what you're going through I can totally understand
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why you are feeling the way that you're feeling it makes sense that you don't
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want to have sex when it hurts and it makes sense that You hate your husband
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right now because you are touched out and you don't want him anywhere near
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you because it feels like someone else Who needs something from your body that
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makes a lot of sense and so My job is not to be a mental health professional.
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That's not my job.
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That's why I have you guys to refer to.
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My job is to help people learn to communicate better with their body.
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And there's five major channels that I am kind of gauging to
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see how somebody connects.
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Um, so for example, one of those ways is affect emotion.
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So if she's talking to me about her pain with sex, I'm like,
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well what are you noticing in your body as you talk about that?
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She's like, it just makes me feel really angry.
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Great, that tells me that she's able to connect to her body through emotion.
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Can she also feel the sensation in her body?
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Can she feel what anger feels like in her body?
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Is she able to figure out how her body wants to express that anger?
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So we're just kind of engaging all of my clients to see how well they
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have access to all of those channels.
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Yeah, fascinating.
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That's, that's amazing.
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Um, so you said that you don't just work with postpartum women
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or women who have had babies.
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What, what does that look like for women who are coming to you,
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um, for pelvic health issues that, that don't, that aren't postpartum.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Right there.
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I mean, there's, there's tons of stuff.
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Um, just to kind of, uh, maybe give you some ideas.
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Sex is a big topic.
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So maybe somebody who, uh, is starting to become sexually active and there's
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discomfort or they can't have an orgasm and they don't know why or they
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changed partners and now they can't figure out why sex isn't working.
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I've had some people who come to see us to prepare to have sex for the first
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time, especially people who are coming from very conservative communities and
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they're not being taught anything and they want to make sure sex isn't going to be
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horrible, you know, that sort of thing.
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We see people who leak urine or have bowel issues and we tend to associate
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leaking with pregnancy and postpartum, but that's very much not the case.
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It can, I mean, I had leaking before I had babies and so that can be really common.
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This isn't necessarily our population, but a lot of pelvic health PTs and OTs
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work with the transition to menopause.
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That can be a really big pelvic health.
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component, and there's a lot of pain components.
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People who, um, who have endometriosis or PCOS, fertility issues, back pain.
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There's, yeah, there's, I'm probably just scratching the surface of the things that
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we work with, but that's some examples of things that aren't necessarily
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pregnant or postpartum related.
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Totally.
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Well, I think that's helpful for our audience to know because I think when I
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think of pelvic pain, physical therapy, um, I think of being postpartum because
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I did some, I did a little bit of pelvic PT postpartum, um, after I had my son
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and I'm, I'm probably guessing based off of maybe what you're gonna say
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that it probably wasn't the like most effective PT because they had me doing
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like the Kegels and whatever um, but um anyways, so I think that's helpful for
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our audience to know because um, Because maybe somebody listening, perhaps, could
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like benefit from this service, and they're, they haven't had babies, or
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they're not gonna have babies, right?
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Um, So,
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so being trauma informed is, um, really important if you're going
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to choose to work with trauma.
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And unfortunately, not a lot of, or it's not uncommon to find, other health care
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providers out there, whether it's doctors or, I don't know, physical therapists
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or whoever, other health care providers who aren't necessarily trauma informed.
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And so, um, I'm curious for you as a physical therapist what
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it means to be trauma informed.
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I know that you said that you're trained in somatic
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experiencing, which is incredible.
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Um, how does the somatic experiencing training impact your inform
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your trauma lens with clients?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Great question.
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Um, I kind of am hearing two questions in that.
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So I'm going to briefly address the first, which is what does it mean in
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our profession to be trauma informed?
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I do think Lauren, there's a difference between being trauma
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informed and trauma trained.
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I think pre somatic experiencing, I was trauma informed.
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I was very conscientious of trauma.
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I could hold space for trauma.
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I get, we get some, pelvic health gets a lot of awareness
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around trauma in our training.
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Physical therapy and occupational therapy, probably OT gets a
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little more than PT maybe, I think in their just base training.
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But I think pelvic health, we get, we are aware because we're
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dealing with so much sexual abuse or sexual trauma or birth trauma.
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We, we have to have some sort of awareness to be able to hold space for that.
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Even if we don't know how to treat it, we have to be able to identify
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it as frontline direct access providers so that we can refer
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to a mental health professional.
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We need to be able to, to be informed.
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Right.
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But I felt really called to do trauma training.
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It kind of fell on me and, um, I just knew that this is what the Lord
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was going to have me do to support the, the passion that I had for.
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Um, working with these women.
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And so do I think every pelvic floor therapist needs to do this?
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Absolutely not.
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It's freaking expensive and it's a lot of time.
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And I don't think every pelvic floor therapist needs, you don't have to see a
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pelvic floor therapist that is trained in somatic experiencing or trauma training.
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I think that's why you need a community of providers.
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But because of my passion, I really wanted to pursue this further.
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And Lauren, when I tell you it has totally changed how I treat, it is
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totally, it's Change how I treat and in the best in the best way.
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Um, there's a lot more crying in my room I would imagine But mainly because in
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the past so for example, I'm doing an internal exam a vaginal internal exam can
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be very vulnerable no matter who you are.
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I don't care if there's, you've never had any abuse.
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You have no issues with your vulva.
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Who wants to get half naked in front of a stranger, right?
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It, you know what I'm saying?
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And so in pelvic health, we're very big on getting enthusiastic consent.
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We want someone to be not hesitant going into internal exams.
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That's very trauma informed.
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We want them to be Absolutely on board to not feel pressured into doing this.
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Okay, but what I felt hiccuped with what I couldn't figure out was what I do with
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someone who's not giving me enthusiastic consent or they're telling me, yes, I want
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to do an internal exam, but their body is saying something totally different.
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And I didn't know how to communicate that to them.
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Hey, you're saying one thing, but your body saying another.
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Okay.
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And I definitely didn't have the tools to help them figure out why
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that's happening, how to regulate, how to get their body down into a
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level that felt like it was safe.
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I didn't know, I didn't know how to do that.
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So that's just one example of how somatic training has just
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greatly affected how I treat.
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Yeah, I really loved the distinction you made between
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trauma informed and trauma trained.
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Because, yes, we can be informed of something or we can have some
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awareness or knowledge of something.
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And then when we're, when we're trained in that, then we can actually help in the
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treatment process or the healing process.
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Um, and it sounds like for you, that was a big shift that you made and, and
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feeling like then you, you could start.
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Actually, maybe, uh, being involved in that healing process of the trauma,
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um, and, um, and the piece that you had mentioned about, um, if they're
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saying yes, but their body is saying no, and, and just the, uh, the amount
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of attunement that you have to have to someone's, you know, physical
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body and their body language and.
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What you do know about their trauma and maybe how their trauma responses
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show up and so, um, I know as, you know, as a physical, as a, as a mental
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health therapist that just, that feels encouraging for me to hear that, that,
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um, there are other, you know, health care providers out there who, who have,
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have an awareness of that, um, and that need that is so present in so many
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people's, you know, lived experience.
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Um, Um, so, so when it comes to the actual healing the trauma, right?
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So the, the, the physical thing is, uh, painless sex.
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But, and maybe the trauma is a traumatic birth or I don't, I don't know.
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Right.
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So how, how do you.
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How are you addressing both of those things at the same time?
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Girl, I'm still figuring it out.
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I'm still figuring it out.
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It's such a hard line sometimes and there are some days where I, I don't
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know if my, you know, there's some sessions that look very mental healthy.
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We're spending the whole time sitting down together.
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We're tracking the body.
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We're having them walk through their birth story a little by little and letting
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the nervous system do what it needs to do, activate and then deactivate, and
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to give them space to actually, process all of those emotions physically.
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And sometimes it looks very mental healthy.
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That's what it looks like.
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Other than I'm having them do some weird movements sometimes, you know,
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but, and then sometimes it looks very pelvic healthy where I am doing
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very standard pelvic health stuff that I would have done pre somatic
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experiencing with maybe just a little bit more And sometimes there's a mix.
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So, um, and for example, I had a patient this week who was coming in, she's
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leaking a little, she and she's having pain with sex and she, I mean, she's
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postpartum, but not newly postpartum.
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And.
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in a typical pelvic health session, we kind of started out like that.
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Okay.
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Update me on how your leaking is going.
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How's your homework.
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I was having her doing some manual releases, update me on how
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your sex experiences have gone.
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And we were doing a little sex education in there about arousal and
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how your body responds to arousal and the need for foreplay and all of
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this fun stuff when we were getting into like, Should we try shower sex?
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Like how, you know, let's talk about some stuff.
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But then I noticed she got really activated.
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So she was trying to tell me her story, but she was having
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a really hard time not crying.
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And so what we do with somatic, somatic is very slow work.
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And so we encourage them, I encourage her to stop talking and to leave
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space for the wave of emotions.
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So she's getting activated and we only let the wave get as big
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as she feels comfortable getting.
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And then we let it deescalate or deactivate.
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All the way down, we're noticing what's happening in the body as it deactivates.
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And then we're doing something called orienting, which is where you
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kind of come back into the space.
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You don't go right into the next wave.
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You don't jump back into the story.
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You notice where you're at in the room.
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You feel your jeans, you you notice your sweater, you just
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kind of come back into the space.
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You talk about something funny.
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I think I mentioned my um, Like dilators on the shelf that look like dildos.
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And I was like, you know, like everyone jokes, I've got these sex toys on my
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wall and I swear they're dilators.
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Like, you know, and so doing something like that to help integrate
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in that, that's an example of how it kind of blends a little bit.
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And that's kind of the direction the rest of the session went.
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and at the end we did something a little bit more pelvic floor therapy y.
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And so it just now, you never know.
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If you were sitting in front of me right now and you showed up in my
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office, I would say, all right, Lauren, what feels important to you today?
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What's showing up in your body?
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Do you need a manual therapy day?
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Do you need a emotional release day?
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Do you need Me to tell you what to do, what feels important to you,
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because we want to deal with what's in the room, what's showing up today
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for that patient or that client.
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Yeah, so it sounds pretty client led just in terms of what
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they're bringing in that day.
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Right, right.
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I always have, I mean, like I said, I struggle not teaching, um, so much.
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Like I love talking about what I'm passionate about,
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so I always have an agenda.
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I have a million things I want to try and I'm curious about.
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I'm curious what would happen to your body if we did this breathing exercise.
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I'm curious how your body would respond if we got pillows and beat the mat.
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Like how would, how would your body respond to that?
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So I always have a million thoughts, but your intuition and your ability to
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heal yourself is always going to be more powerful than what I bring to the table.
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I'm just someone who holds education and tries to listen to Holy Spirit,
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but your innate ability to sense what's needed is so much more powerful.
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So I try and tap into that as much as possible.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I tell my clients that your body is the
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most wise, like your body knows.
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And a lot of my clients don't, don't believe it or don't know it.
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And so that's our work, right?
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I have a patient today who told me she was having some pain in
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her sacrum when she worked out.
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She said, I don't know if this makes sense, but I just felt like
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it was the asymmetrical movements.
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I was doing the lunges or the, and she said, I don't know if
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that makes sense, but I just feel like I should have stopped those.
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And so I stopped them.
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And I said, girl, I don't know if that's what's causing your symptoms, but the fact
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that you innately are in tuned that that.
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was causing it and you stopped it.
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Let's follow that.
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Let's see what happens if you stop doing that.
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I'm curious.
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Yeah, totally.
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So, for our listeners listening, for our audience listening, um, what advice
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might you give to somebody who's like seeking out a physical therapist,
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maybe for, Something pelvic health related or back or, you know, whatnot.
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Um, in like actually finding, you know, finding a P.
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T.
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Cause maybe they're not local here, like maybe they're not close to you.
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Or, you know, maybe they are listening to this and they're
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like, Oh, I would really love.
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a pelvic floor therapist who is trauma informed, like who is trauma trained?
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Like what, how can you find that?
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What, what would you advise our listeners?
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Yeah.
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The first part is easier to answer than the second part.
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Um, a great way to find a pelvic health provider.
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There's some websites, uh, pelvic rehab.
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com has a, a directory.
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Herman and Wallace has a director.
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You could just search like find a pelvic floor therapist near me.
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I am trained in physical therapy, but don't let that limit you.
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Like the two other women who work with me in my practice, they have
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occupational therapy trainings.
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And so there's a big overlap when it comes to pelvic health.
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Now in the orthopedic world, pelvic floor and Uh, I mean, physical
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therapy and occupational therapy also has a big overlap, but when you get
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into pelvic health, I mean, there's not a lot of distinction there.
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We both have skills that we bring to the table, but so
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don't limit yourself to a PT.
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OTs are, they can have similar training, but that's what I want to, that's what
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I would ask is what is your training in?
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You don't want them to be an orthopedic, like a, a shoulder PT, a running PT who
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just happens to treat pelvic health.
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And you'll see a lot of clinics, even around here, that they do pelvic health.
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as a side gig, which is great.
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I'm so glad that they are bringing awareness to pelvic health.
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I think that's amazing.
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Every orthopedic PT and OT should have an awareness of pelvic
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health, but those aren't the people you really want to seek out.
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You want to seek out someone who, this is what they do.
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This is what the clinic does is pelvic health.
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rehab, men, women, children.
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We just do women, but pelvic health rehab, OTs, PTs.
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Um, I would ideally prefer that they have the capability of doing
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internal work, even if that's not what you do in your session.
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It's just a level of training that can be really helpful.
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If you're trying to If you need help with things that are more than
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fitness related, um, if you're having pain, pain of sex, leaking, it can be
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really helpful to have somebody who is qualified to do an internal exam, which
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is not all pelvic health providers.
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So, to answer, And we have amazing ones in the area, by the way, like, it's not
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just us, we're not everyone's cup of tea.
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Okay.
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Um, we are a very niche practice and there are phenomenal public health
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therapists in our greater Nashville area.
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So it's not just us for sure.
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You also ideally want to work with someone who can work with you one on one.
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if you can.
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So, um, we operate a lot like mental health therapy, where
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it's you and your therapist in a room for a little under an hour.
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There's no text.
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There's no aids.
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You're not in a gym with other clients at the same time.
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And so that can be really helpful in your pelvic health journey.
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As far as the second part of your question, finding somebody who
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does somatic or does trauma, has trauma training, and public health.
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I can't recommend anybody because there's really not a lot.
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Okay.
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There, um, there is, there's like one girl who's on Instagram.
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I can't remember her name.
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There are some people in the country.
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who do it, uh, that would be really hard.
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You might just email, email me or email Somatic Experiencing International
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and see if there's a pelvic floor therapist, but I think there's
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maybe less than 10 in the country.
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I mean, there's not, it's, it's, there's not a lot, but that
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doesn't mean if you have trauma, you can't see any pelvic floor.
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Okay.
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You don't have to come see someone like totally.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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Well, Laura, where can we find you?
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Like, where, where, where are you on in Franklin and Franklin and on
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social media and like, yeah, we're in Franklin and everything that you want
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to look up is plus one pelvic health.
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So plus one public health.
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com is our website.
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Hello at plus one public health.
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com is our email.
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That's also our Instagram plus one public health.
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The best way to find out about what we do is our website.
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So, plusonepelvichealth.
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com.
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We have a lot of education on our Instagram.
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We have a monthly newsletter that goes out if you're just looking to
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get your feet wet into this world and you don't want to marry us yet.
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But we're also happy to just get on the phone with you if you have questions
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and have, I mean, we'd be honored to help anybody or help you find someone.
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in your area that might be a better fit.
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Amazing.
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So we always end these episodes with an affirmation and homework to give to
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our audience because that's what we do.
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We kind of, I know this isn't therapy, but um, we kind of like to model
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it like we would a therapy session.
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So at the end of session, our, all of our therapists are trained to, Give
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our clients something to take away with them for in between sessions.
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So, um, So my affirmation for our audience today is your body is safe and
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wise and knows exactly what it needs.
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And then I'm curious, Laura, if you had to give our sweet listeners like something
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to take with them, like a practice or, or a skill to try, what would that be?
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I'm curious what your, your first
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I would be curious how you relate to your body.
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So what is your internal dialogue around your body when you stand in front of
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the mirror before you get in the shower?
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What are you thinking and saying when you notice activation in your body?
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Something feels triggering.
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How can you relate to your body?
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Do you notice sensations like we were talking about earlier?
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Do you notice sensations?
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Can you notice emotion?
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Are you really quick to want to move or have an image in your
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head or make meaning though?
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You know, there's all these, these five channels that we, what feels
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easiest for you to relate to your body?
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Are there any areas that feel hard to communicate with?
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Like I really can't notice my pelvis or my abdomen feels really far away.
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Yeah, that's where I would just get curious about how you
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communicate with your body.
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I love that.
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All right.
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Well, thank you so much, Laura.
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It truly was an honor.
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Um, and thanks for having me.
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Yeah.
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We're just so glad for your wisdom.
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So thanks guys.