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PEPTIDES: From Sick Care to Self-Directed Healthcare · To Your Good Health

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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Hello, this is Dr.
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  David Friedman, host of Till You Get Health Radio."
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  What if the fountain of youth wasn't a fountain at all, but a peptide?
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  They're the go-to compounds for people wanting to build muscle, burn fat, heal
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  injuries faster, and even reverse aging.
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  Millions of people are turning to therapeutic peptides.
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  But here's the catch: most have no idea how to use them the, the right way.
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  And of course, there's all the hype, the half-truths, and, and we
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  can't ignore all the TikTok experts.
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  The noise is deafening.
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  So today, we get through the noise with Jay Campbell.
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  He's here to cut through all the confusion, and we're gonna chat
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  about his new book, "Optimize Your Health with Therapeutic Peptides."
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  Whether you're dealing with brain fog, insomnia, injury that won't heal, or you
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  simply wanna be you again and feel like, you know, you wake up, look in the mirror
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  and go, "Yeah, I'm excited about today," stay tuned 'cause this show's for you.
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  We're gonna unlock the future of regenerative medicine one peptide
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  at a time, and it all starts now.
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  Our next guest is recognized as one of the world's leading experts on hormonal
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  optimization and therapeutic peptides.
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  His obsession with peak performance for humans began long before
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  biohacking was a buzzword.
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  As a young competitive athlete, he became fixated on a single question:
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  how do you engineer your own biology to perform at its absolute best?
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  That question carried him through a successful career in competitive men's
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  physique and deep into hormonal science.
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  His "Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible" became the
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  highest-rated book in its field and the go-to resource on the subject.
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  This was followed by four international bestsellers spanning intermittent
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  fasting, peptide therapy, and full-spectrum health optimization.
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  His long list of media appearances include ESPN, Forbes, NBC, Men's
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  Health, and the New York Post.
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  He's also the co-founder of BioLongevity Labs, and his latest book is "Optimize
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  Your Health with Therapeutic Peptides."
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  Welcome to the show, Jay Campbell.
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  Jay Campbell: Dr.
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  David Friedman, that was such a good, introduction.
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  I think I'm gonna have to hire your PR team or whoever came up with
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  that because that was fantastic.
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Yeah.
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  try to keep like, five minutes into 30 seconds.
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  So
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  Jay Campbell: Thank you.
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  That was awesome
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  that was great.
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  You've been through a lot, so you had a lot to cover.
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  Se- this topic, as I mentioned, is such, is so hot right now,
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  and I appreciate you being here.
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  For the newbies out there, what exactly is a peptide?
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  'Cause there's a little confusion.
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  Jay Campbell: Yeah.
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  And let me first just say, first off, again, thank you for the introduction.
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  you know, we kind of mentioned it as we were talking off air.
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  I honestly believe this, and it's kind of almost annoying because of this,
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  how long I've been in this space.
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  People listening to this show have to be very cautious and very careful where they
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  get their information because right now about 90 to 95% of people, and I am not
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  joking or exaggerating, who are speaking about peptides online have absolutely
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  no idea what they're talking about.
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  And I say that as a person who's been using therapeutic peptides since
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  2003 and 2004 when I first started.
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  obviously I've worked with numerous physicians.
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  I've written now three books on the topic.
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  there's actually a book that's coming out in two weeks that no one even knows
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  about that's called Living Leaner, Longer, Stronger, which will be absolutely my,
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  magnum opus because it is everything I've learned about all the things that
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  you and I are gonna talk about today.
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  But a peptide very simply is a fractionated protein or a
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  signaling molecule that is made up of chains of amino acids.
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  So anybody who went to high school and had biology, you know, 101 in
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  their ninth or 10th grade year knows what an amino acid is and knows
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  what a chain of amino acids is.
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  So that's really what peptides are, and they're mostly naturally found in
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  the human body and naturally occurring.
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  And again, as signaling molecules, they do a lot of things to regulate
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  and improve and, you know, as I say, optimize biological processes
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  That's great.
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  But now you say that it's the best kept secret in health and wellness.
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  What's kept them from going mainstream, and why are so many
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  doctors still clueless about them?
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  Jay Campbell: Yeah, Dr.
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  David Friedman.
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  I love you, bro.
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  We are gonna become friends off air.
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  Um,
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Brother from another mother.
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  Jay Campbell: Listen, it's a very simple answer.
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  The pharmaceutical industry, which as you know has captured medicine, cannot at this
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  point, and trust me, they work feverishly night in and night out to figure it
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  out, they cannot patent the naturally occurring signaling mo-molecules.
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  So they can't make super expensive drugs that obviously that they would then,
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  inscribe their pharmaceutical, you know, giants and then their pharma reps, which
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  then invade the doctors', rooms and offices and businesses to, brainwash them
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  and entrain them on, prescribing these.
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  So that's the main reason that they haven't become mainstream,
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  again, from a clinical perspective.
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  But David, I would argue they have become mainstream from a user perspective,
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  and obviously that all started with GLP peptides about four years ago.
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  And my book, you know, you mentioned it, "Optimize Your Health with
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  Therapeutic Peptides," came into the marketplace on January 31st, 2023.
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  And I like to tell people, and obviously I have no proof of this, but this is
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  just based on, you know, what I've observed, and my team has, given me from
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  an analytics standpoint, is that lots of people were seeking alternative forms
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  of healing due to the vaccine, COVID.
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  everything that happened or transpired from 2020 to 2023, my book came out at
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  that exact time, and it really, I think, exploded into the consciousness of people
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  that were seeking alternative health
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  you mentioned, our bodies already make peptides naturally.
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  So the big question people are wondering, then why do we need to supplement them?
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  Is it because we produce fewer of them as we age?
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  Is there certain ailments that cause them to, be depleted?
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  what's the rationale for needing them from third party?
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  Jay Campbell: Yeah.
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  So that's a good question.
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  And the answer is yes, and also due to the contamination in our environment.
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  You know, I talk about this obviously all over the world, and it's not just,
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  the degradation of our cellular processes from the environment, it's also just
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  the degradation from everything, David.
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  I mean, from the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, the water that we drink.
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  Almost everything in the modernized world is full of chemicals,
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  plastics, phthalates, BPA, endocrine-disrupting chemicals, et cetera.
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  And so as we get older, we are being bombarded cellularly with
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  all of these adjuvants and these contaminants, as I like to call them.
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  And so, yes, they degrade natural, aging processes much faster than somebody
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  who was living 100 years ago not faced with all of this modernization
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Yeah.
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  So Troy, I know most people have heard of Ozempic and the other GLP-1
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  medications, but they don't realize that's just one category of peptides.
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  Can you explain the difference and where therapeutic peptides maybe fit into the
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  bigger picture of health for optimization?
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  Jay Campbell: Yeah, for sure.
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  So there's a lot of peptides.
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  R- as of last count, there were about 49 that were
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  commercially available right now.
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  And when I mean commercially available, they're actually
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  synthesized, in a pharmaceutical, what is called an API facility.
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  And by the way, they're almost all in China or some are in India.
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  We are building them in the United States right now, but they are
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  not yet ready for prime time.
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  But active pharmaceutical ingredient or API is the actual, call it caked
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  material that is sent to the United States or whatever Western country, and
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  then lyophilized, which basically is a process of extending the efficacy of
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  the half-life or actually extending the efficacy of the actual base constituent
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  peptide, and then bottled and of course labeled and then sold to the public.
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  And the public is able, right now in the United States, able to purchase them
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  in basically one of two ways or both.
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  They can get them from a physician's prescription and then that prescription
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  is, filled at a compounding pharmacy.
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  And then the other option is people have the right to research on
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  themselves and they can buy them from a direct-to-consumer platform such as
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  our company, BioLongevity Labs, and then obviously can order them to their
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  house and then use them on theirself.
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  And as everyone has a First Amendment right to research on themselves, and
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  obviously the courts recognize that.
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  So those are the two options.
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  But to your original question, you have a number of peptides from a standpoint of…
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  The best way to classify them is like I put them in a sandbox model.
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  You have mitochondrial optimizing peptides, you have cognitive restoring
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  and enhancing peptides, you have healing and longevity and, immunity
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  peptides, and then of course you also have fat loss and muscle building.
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  You already mentioned GLP-1s.
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  But you've got those four or five classifications or categories of peptides.
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  And as I tell people, and again when I talk about this, it's a lot of
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  people get the shiny object syndrome because they're like, "Ooh, I want this
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  peptide and I want that peptide because this'll do this or this'll do that."
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  And I always tell people the most important way and to understand to
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  start these is figure out what are the biggest issue you have as an individual.
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  And obviously for most people that are probably listening to this in
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  your audience, they have, you know, a fat loss or a weight loss issue.
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  They might wanna lose 10, 15, 20, 25 pounds.
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  Some people are worse.
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  And so in that capacity, you're probably gonna wanna start off
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  with like a GLP-2 or a GLP-3.
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  And once you understand how to use those, and we can get into that, then you can
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  throw in some maybe muscle building stuff, some maybe life extension stuff, some
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  fat loss stuff that's on top of the GLP.
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  So, it really just comes down to what you're looking to do and
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  obviously focusing on that one issue and solving for that before you
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  start using a bunch of different
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Yeah.
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  I got to tell you a story.
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  So an MD comes in, I treat quite a few of them, and I asked one, I said, "So
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  what's your view on, uh, peptides?"
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  "Oh, I don't believe them.
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  They don't work."
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  or…"
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  And, but no, get this, get this.
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  I said, "But don't you prescribe, uh, GLP-1s and Ozempic?"
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  He went, "Yeah."
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  I said, "So you don't believe me?"
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  "No, that's not a peptide."
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  No ju- I kid you not.
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  Didn't know that was a peptide.
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  I'm like, "Whoa."
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  Jay Campbell: David, I'm not kidding you when I tell you this.
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  that is very commonplace.
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  When I went to…
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  the Longevity Conference, which I go every year in Vegas, Dr.
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  Bob Goldman and Dr.
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  Ronald Katz, you know, now it's called Longevity Fest.
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  It used to be the A4M conference, but now it's Longevity Fest.
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  This past year I went to 10 different compounding booths, compounding pharmacy
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  booths, and I asked the people working at the booth, "Can you tell me…"
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  It was just my intro question.
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  A lot of them knew who I was, but they were…
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  I was like, "Can you tell me what GLP stands for?"
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  And of the 10 booths that I went to, not a single person working the
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  booths even knew what it stood for.
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  And by the way, just for the audience's sake, it stands for glucagon-like peptide.
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  But yes, this is the problem that we have, and as I said, why I said 90 to
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  95% of people have no idea what they're talking about when they speak about these.
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  And this is obviously also with clinicians, influencers,
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  really truthfully subject matter experts who should know better.
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  But again, because it's such a buzzword and so many people are talking about
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  it, you know, soccer moms are selling peptides out of the back of their SUVs.
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  so it's just an insane world that we've entered right now.
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  But it's like I said, the, most important thing is to understand that
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  peptides merely nothing more than tools.
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  They're not magic bullets.
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  They're not easy buttons.
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  A person has to have their lifestyle dialed in.
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  They should know whether or not they're suffering from a hormone deficiency.
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  They should obviously be doing resistance training and cardiovascular training.
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  They have to be eating enough protein, especially if they're using a GLP,
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  because GLPs are very powerful, drugs, and they can cause muscle loss.
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  Look, all the side effects that you and I and your listening audience
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  have seen and heard about in the mainstream are real and true, but it's
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  not because the drugs are the problem.
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  The problem is the end user does not have the understanding or the awareness
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  on how to use these interventions.
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  And so my job and your job and people like us is to teach people that they're
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  nothing more than tools, and that when they're used correctly and in the
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  context of health and longevity, they are absolutely life-transforming agents
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Yeah.
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  I know they're very popular peptides with athletes, but what about a
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  person who isn't going to the gym?
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  Would they see any benefit, or do peptides really deliver when
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  they're paired with exercise?
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  Jay Campbell: So every person Should go to the gym because as you know,
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  the greatest adjuvant/extender of life is muscle tissue.
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  We know this because all the statistics show us that the leaner
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  you are, the longer you'll live.
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  If you look at all the blue zone studies and you see all the people
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  that are living into their hundreds, all these people have one thing in
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  common: they don't have body fat.
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  They're very thin, they're usually very active.
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  And so the truth is, is if you wanna live longer, as I say, live
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  leaner, longer, stronger, you really do have to build muscle.
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  You don't need to look like a bodybuilder, but you have to have functional,
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  active, lean tissue to strengthen your bones, so you, you avoid osteopenia and
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  sarcopenia as you get older, which as you know, is the leading cause of death.
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  I mean, 'cause it leads to all the diseases of aging.
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  So that's the most important thing.
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  But there are definitely peptides that can help people be motivated to go to the
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  gym because the, mitochondrial stimulation will optimize energy production, and
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  so people will feel more energized.
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  And one of the things about GLP-2 and GLP-3 that I should
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  say is, all the research…
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  and by the way, let me just mention this.
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  I have a book that did come out earlier in the year in February.
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  It's called Metabolic Awakening with GLP Peptides.
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  It's 730 pages and 1,400 clinical references.
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  looking at the data, and I can tell you that the data is now showing that
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  these drugs do far more things, at the brainwave or brainwave patterning
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  level, than they originally were anticipated to do, which was obviously
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  to help with metabolic health.
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  Like, they're curing obsessive compulsive disorders and diseases, like people
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  that have gambling addictions or porn addictions or, weed, vaping, alcohol.
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  A lot of these people start these at the right dose and they find that
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  they never, have these habits again.
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  And again, these are permanent changes that are happening at the brain level.
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  So there's a lot of value and benefit that comes from these drugs.
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  As I said earlier, and I'll say it again and continue to spring it from
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  the mountaintop, is that people have to learn how to use them responsibly.
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  And look, man, the pharmaceutical industry, as you know, does
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  not want people healthy.
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  I give lots of praise and a lot of props to the chemists at Eli Lilly and Novo
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  Nordisk and all these giant pharmaceutical manufacturers because they're brilliant,
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  but at the end of the day, David, their job is not to drive human health or
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  improve human health, it's to sell drugs.
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  So they're not gonna teach their pharmaceutical reps, and the
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  pharmaceutical reps aren't gonna teach the doctors how to use them any more than
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  they're gonna teach them to sell the most and start people at the highest dosage.
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  So we as educators have to let people know that there's a better and more
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  instructive way to use these products.
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  And again, when you understand how that is, and again, it's microdosing,
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  we can talk about that if you want, they're always, beneficial.
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  And again, in the data, in the scientific studies, it shows that
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  microdosing from the beginning actually maintains the weight loss.
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  So people are not addicted or as, a lot of people like to say in the mainstream
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  to being on these things for life.
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  Responsible use and education and awareness of how to use them
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  actually makes them just a consumer who can use them whenever they
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  have a desire at any point in their life so they don't stay addicted
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  So talk to me about the peptides are being injected scares a lot of people off.
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  I've seen patches now and nasal spray options.
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  Are these as effective or do we really have to go with the injections?
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  Jay Campbell: So the answer is, right now, delivery systems for
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  peptides are dramatically improving.
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  as you said, 80% of people do have a needle phobia when they first start
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  to work with therapeutic peptides from an injection standpoint.
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  And I think it's important that the audience understands that injection
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  will always be the highest impact delivery system because of two reasons.
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  Number one, when you inject, you cross the blood-brain barrier the fastest,
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  and number two, you will get the peptide into what is called parental or portal
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  systemic circulation the fastest, so that, if you have an issue at a specific point
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  of the body and the peptide is designed to, address it, the injection, gets it
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  there the fastest and most efficient way.
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  So those are the two reasons why injection will always be the highest impact.
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  But to your question, there are multiple new delivery systems and formats
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  that are coming into the marketplace.
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  There are patches.
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  There are, also, what are called, strips.
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  M- there's a different name for them now from a patent standpoint,
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  but they're basically these little lozenges/wafers that people can put on
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  their tongue, and then it lifts to the roof of the mouth, and it's actually…
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  the peptide is actually absorbed through buccal, delivery, which
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  basically means it goes down through the gums and also through, the
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  walls of the back of your throat.
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  So, it actually bypasses/avoids, digestive and systemic,
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  absorption that way so that…
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  because as you know, a lot of times oral peptides, when they
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  get into, the digestive tract can be broken down a lot easier.
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  So that's why we don't really use a lot of oral peptides.
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  There are oral peptides that will work, and those are the ones
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  that are designed for the actual microbiome or the gut specifically.
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  But those, are gonna be your biggest impact delivery systems right now.
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  And I can tell you that within the next, I wanna say somewhere between 12 to
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  18 months, there are gonna be patches that have extremely high micron needle
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  formats, which will be like 60 to 80.
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  And once those patches are out, it'll be like a Star Trek type thing where
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  you just walk up and put like a Velcro patch on your arm and you won't even
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  feel it and it can deliver the peptide.
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  And it will also be able to deliver different blends of peptides.
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  So, the best thing to say is that the technology for delivery systems is
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  dramatically improving, and my guess is that within two years we'll have something
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  that's very equal to an injection so that the people that have that
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  needle phobia or that injection phobia
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  will
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  Dr. David Friedman:
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  Yeah.
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  Greg, y-you mentioned digestive disorders.
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  So common now.
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  Many have tried diets, supplements, and medication without lasting relief.
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  How can therapeutic peptides offer hope for these people?
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  Is there currently ones you can mention or…
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  Jay Campbell: Yeah, absolutely.
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  so right now, what's going on at the global level in the United States from
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  the FDA standpoint is that actually in a eight days from today, seven to eight
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  days from today, there's actually gonna be a giant pharmacy committee meeting,
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  and The FDA is obviously involved in this panel, and they're going to be
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  deciding on the benefit of nine specific peptides that they're considering moving
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  from Class 2 to Class 1, which basically means, right now they're considered
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  maybe unsafe and not studied well enough.
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  And if they…
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  That's Class 2.
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  If they move them to Class 1, they'll be considered safe and able to prescribe.
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  It's all a game, as you know, with the FDA.
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  But the reality is, is that the peptides that will help for the microbiome and
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  gut issues are BPC 157, which stands for body protective compound 157.
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  And there's a bunch of other peptides and small molecules that also can help with
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  digestion, cleaning bacteria in the gut.
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  Again, remember the food supply in the United States is toxic, and so
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  if people are eating GMO boxed food stuffs, and obviously fast food
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  and all the other chemical-laden foods, they really have a disturbed,
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  if not only disrupted microbiome.
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  And so you can take peptides that can really suppress inflammation and
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  can also improve gut health by just, upregulating the cleansing bacteria
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  and getting rid of the virulent pathogens that are in the stomach.
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  And some of those other peptides would be, TB 500, which is Thymosin Beta 4 500.
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  there's another peptide called Lazerotide, and that actually is a really powerful
• 18:36
  small molecule to improve gut health.
• 18:38
  We actually, at BioLongevity Labs, make a supplement called Bio Gut Pro, and it's
• 18:44
  specifically designed with six different peptides and a couple other small
• 18:48
  molecules to enhance absorption to address anybody that has, severe gut issues.
• 18:53
  You know, obviously SIBO, candida, yeast infections, stuff like that.
• 18:57
  So there definitely are peptides, obviously, that can help with that.
• 19:00
  But I always tell people, again, you're gonna have to change your lifestyle
• 19:03
  to live insulin controlled and, eat cleaner in order to get rid of the
• 19:07
  stuff that's going on in your stomach.
• 19:08
  And obviously, as you know, it's very difficult in the United States today
• 19:11
  because the food supply is so contaminated
• 19:13
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 19:13
  Yeah.
• 19:13
  What about the two complaints I hear the most about poor sleep and low energy?
• 19:16
  They kind of go hand in hand.
• 19:17
  You don't sleep well, you don't have energy, can't function at your best.
• 19:20
  Are there therapeutic peptides that can improve sleep quality
• 19:23
  and help restore energy?
• 19:24
  Jay Campbell: 100%.
• 19:25
  So DSIP, which is delta sleep inducing peptide, is a peptide that people can
• 19:29
  take to, to improve what is known as polyphasic or deep restorative sleep.
• 19:34
  There's some other ones.
• 19:35
  There's oxytocin, melanotan I.
• 19:38
  but then again, for energy, you're really looking at the mitochondrial
• 19:41
  peptides, and there's so many of them.
• 19:43
  SS-31, which is now known as elamipretide.
• 19:46
  you've got 5-amino-1-MQ.
• 19:48
  you also have, obviously MOTS-c, which a lot of people consider exercise in a
• 19:52
  bottle because it's so very, very powerful in improving mitochondrial health.
• 19:56
  there's others, NAD+.
• 19:58
  there's probably two or three other that I'm leaving off.
• 20:00
  I
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  Dr. David Friedman:
• 20:00
  Yeah.
• 20:01
  There's one-- What about C- I think Celang?
• 20:03
  Is that what it's called?
• 20:03
  I've heard
• 20:04
  about that
• 20:04
  Jay Campbell: Selank and Semax are more of nootropic peptides,
• 20:07
  and those are all very, very good in restoring cognitive function.
• 20:11
  Selank is actually an anxiolytic, so it'll actually, really help people that
• 20:15
  are stressed out, and just basically, their parasympathetic is overactivated.
• 20:20
  So it's a very, very good peptide for that
• 20:22
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 20:22
  So that's 95% of people listening.
• 20:23
  Okay, you heard it.
• 20:26
  Jay Campbell: Most likely, yes
• 20:28
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 20:28
  That's, now you mentioned peptides can help injuries heal faster.
• 20:31
  How does that work and which peptides are athletes going to
• 20:33
  to bounce back from injuries?
• 20:35
  Jay Campbell: Yeah.
• 20:35
  So for sure, the three strongest peptides that improve healing, and I think the best
• 20:40
  way to define healing is obviously first off to increase angiogenesis, which is
• 20:44
  gonna restore red blood cell and lymph, to the targeted area that has been injured.
• 20:49
  and then you have s- inflammation suppression, so you're sending
• 20:52
  like, suppressing cytokines and interleukin and whatnot.
• 20:55
  And both of those products would be BPC 157, which again is body protective
• 20:59
  compound, which is literally found naturally in human gastric juice.
• 21:03
  But when it's injected or orally swallowed or again intranasally, inhaled, can
• 21:07
  really speed the rate of angiogenesis.
• 21:09
  And TB 500, which is Thymosin Beta 500, is its sister or call it
• 21:15
  brother molecule because it helps with suppressing inflammation.
• 21:18
  So when you take both of them together, a lot of people refer to
• 21:22
  that as the Wolverine healing stack.
• 21:24
  It can actually accelerate healing up to 7 to 10 times faster than just
• 21:28
  the normal, you know, RICE, which is obviously rest, ice, compression,
• 21:31
  elevation, old school methodology.
• 21:33
  And then I would mention one other peptide, which is profound, and it
• 21:37
  is known as Cartilax, and it is a Russian bioregulator peptide that
• 21:41
  actually, knock on wood, helps with, cartilage regeneration.
• 21:45
  So obviously that's kind of the big missing link, in health today is,
• 21:48
  helping people have a stronger, thicker, space between the joint capsules.
• 21:52
  And so, Cartilax actually helps at, strengthening, call it the
• 21:56
  supporting tissues around cartilage.
• 21:58
  It's not gonna regenerate cartilage.
• 21:59
  It's not that magic yet, but I think that's coming by the way at some point.
• 22:03
  but it…
• 22:03
  All three of those if you use those together and you've injured yourself,
• 22:07
  whether it's a sprained ankle, a cut, a tendon or joint specific
• 22:12
  issue, if you use those three in combination you will heal dramatically
• 22:16
  faster than you would if you didn't
• 22:17
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 22:17
  Wow.
• 22:17
  even rotator cuffs, that's very common with athletes.
• 22:20
  Jay Campbell: Oh,
• 22:20
  I mean, I have rotator issues.
• 22:21
  I'm 55 years old, obviously, and a hard-training guy still, and I
• 22:25
  inject our product, which is called the Regenoblend, which again is
• 22:28
  those three products specifically, BPC-157, TB-500, and Cartilax, right
• 22:33
  into the areas where I have soreness.
• 22:34
  And I'm not kidding you, I mean, literally within 24 to
• 22:38
  36 hours, the soreness is gone.
• 22:39
  And if I, you know, had a severe rotator cuff injury, or even like a torn,
• 22:45
  supraspinatus or something, medial delt, you injured delt or whatever, I would
• 22:48
  be using that twice a day for at least a month to speed the rate of healing.
• 22:51
  And obviously, many, many athletes and knowledgeable people do that already
• 22:55
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 22:55
  Yeah.
• 22:55
  Let's get to the question on everybody's mind.
• 22:57
  We can't skip this one.
• 22:58
  Are peptides safe?
• 22:59
  There's a lot of risks out there people are worrying about that it can fuel
• 23:03
  tumor growth and of course the skeptics.
• 23:05
  Tell us the truth.
• 23:06
  are we safe?
• 23:07
  Jay Campbell: Were 100% safe.
• 23:09
  in my 23 years of using therapeutic peptides and obviously observing
• 23:14
  thousands of people, online and in person, I'd say probably now it's
• 23:19
  in the tens of thousands of people, I've never seen a person overdose.
• 23:22
  There are side effects like anything else.
• 23:24
  remember what Tim Ferriss said, the difference between a pill
• 23:27
  and a poison is the dosage.
• 23:28
  So for people who are misinformed or uninformed and they, take too
• 23:32
  much, and obviously that does happen at times because people also aren't
• 23:35
  knowledgeable on how to dose these appropriately, they can have, mild nausea
• 23:39
  or they can get what would be called a cellulitis reaction, you know, at the
• 23:43
  point of injection, which is sometimes red bumps or something like that.
• 23:46
  But very rarely are you gonna see that.
• 23:48
  And then to your question of whether or not they cause tumors or accelerate tumor
• 23:52
  formation, the world's leading oncologist, in peptide therapy, and I forget her
• 23:58
  name, but she messages me all the time.
• 24:00
  She's actually made jokes and she sent me an email one day out of the
• 24:03
  blue and introduced herself to me.
• 24:04
  And again, I apologize, I can't recall her name right now.
• 24:07
  If you ever wanna ask me, I'll find it for you.
• 24:08
  But she said that the dosages that people are using to use therapeutic
• 24:13
  peptides today are so far away from a dose that would actually have to
• 24:17
  be used, to actually potentially accelerate or exacerbate, an ontological
• 24:22
  mutation of the cell, which would be a cancer tumor, a latent one,
• 24:26
  that she said it's not possible.
• 24:28
  And so she jokes about it 'cause she's heard, you know, obviously famous
• 24:30
  doctors and celebrity influencers talk about how they can accelerate
• 24:33
  cancer, and she laughs and she said that's absolutely not ever gonna
• 24:37
  happen unless somebody was abusing it.
• 24:38
  And by the way, I wanna say this too, human growth hormone, Cause people
• 24:42
  will say, in the medical literature, they say, "Oh, it causes cancerous
• 24:45
  tumors or can cause cancerous tumors."
• 24:48
  in all the literature in who they give human growth hormone to, which is
• 24:51
  dwarves, there has never been a single incidence in all the medical literature
• 24:56
  of giving human growth hormone to young children who are essentially considered
• 24:59
  dwarves in history of the evaluation.
• 25:02
  And obviously there are thousands of studies.
• 25:04
  So There's just a lot of misinformation and a lot of, like, call it fear porn
• 25:09
  that is out there about, peptides, human growth hormone, or even just growth factor
• 25:13
  secretagogues that can cause cancer.
• 25:15
  And I've never seen it, and I always like to speak against it because I
• 25:17
  don't think it's actually possible unless you're abusing it and
• 25:20
  you're abusing it for a long time
• 25:22
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 25:22
  Right.
• 25:23
  Right.
• 25:23
  Time's flying by.
• 25:24
  Two questions for you we can't not miss.
• 25:25
  We see research purposes only.
• 25:28
  That's scaring people.
• 25:29
  What does that mean if we see that on the peptide?
• 25:32
  Jay Campbell: So research purposes only means that it's literally
• 25:35
  intended for research on people who are using it for research purposes.
• 25:40
  So that could be yourself, that could be your, lab animal, that
• 25:43
  could be your husband, yourself.
• 25:44
  it depends on how you perceive it, but the legal definition of it is every consumer
• 25:50
  in America or person in America, and again, I'm talking about US code here,
• 25:55
  has a right to research on themselves.
• 25:57
  what you want to be very cautious of if you are purchasing from the research
• 26:00
  use only market is you have to make sure that the company that is selling it is
• 26:05
  offering batch numbers and lot numbers which verify the actual, raw materials and
• 26:10
  manufactured ingredients in their vials.
• 26:13
  So you can trace them.
• 26:14
  they're called traceability.
• 26:16
  But you should be able to go to a site online to prove that there is an
• 26:20
  independent third party body, call it research body, that is actually testing
• 26:24
  and verifying what's on the label.
• 26:25
  So if you're using research use only, and I have nothing against that, obviously
• 26:29
  my company does that, be very, very cautious and make sure that the company
• 26:33
  that you're buying it from is verifying that what is in the labels and what you're
• 26:36
  paying for is actually 100% or 99.9%
• 26:40
  of what they say it is
• 26:41
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 26:41
  Last question.
• 26:42
  you mentioned before you got people in their garage selling this stuff,
• 26:45
  sketchy peptide sellers on TikTok.
• 26:47
  How can somebody tell a quality source from snake oil?
• 26:50
  Literally, how do they avoid getting a vial of who knows what?
• 26:53
  Jay Campbell: That's a great question, and it's exactly what I just said.
• 26:55
  Verify, verify, verify.
• 26:58
  As I call it, triple authentication certification or verification, which
• 27:02
  is you have an independent third party testing the company's, themselves,
• 27:07
  saying that, you know, their batch number and their lot number is real.
• 27:10
  And then a lot of companies, including ours, has another company, which is an
• 27:14
  independent third party, that verifies that there's no heavy metals, there's no
• 27:18
  lead, there's no contaminants, there's no what is called lipopolysaccharides.
• 27:23
  and y- between those, say, three companies, which is obviously the
• 27:25
  manufacturer, the first independent third party testing it, and then the
• 27:28
  second independent third party, all three of those verifying that the
• 27:32
  label is correct and to what it says it is, is gonna give you the best,
• 27:36
  protection as a consumer/patient versus somebody who's, like you
• 27:40
  said, selling it on TikTok for 49.99
• 27:42
  saying, "Hey, it's available right now.
• 27:44
  If you use a coupon code, I'll give you 20% off," or something like that.
• 27:46
  So you have to be very, very cautious where you get your products from.
• 27:51
  Again, you have an option.
• 27:52
  You can get it from a compounding pharmacy with a doctor's prescription,
• 27:56
  or you can buy them yourself.
• 27:57
  I didn't say this, but I'll just say this.
• 27:59
  the difference in the two models is that obviously, if you get it from a pharmacy
• 28:03
  and a physician, you're gonna pay seven to 10 times the cost, unless you get it
• 28:08
  from a research use only company, which by the way, is literally selling it to
• 28:12
  you unready for human use because they're not allowed to sell it for human use.
• 28:15
  They're selling it for research purposes only
• 28:18
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 28:18
  Wow.
• 28:18
  Fantastic.
• 28:19
  you've shared some peptacular insights, by the way, Phil.
• 28:22
  Feel free to use that.
• 28:24
  I don't need it.
• 28:26
  Got 30 seconds left.
• 28:27
  Anything else like to share we didn't cover today?
• 28:29
  Jay Campbell: thank you so much.
• 28:30
  I'm very humbled and honored to be here today with you.
• 28:32
  I know you have a very successful and long-running show, and
• 28:34
  I'm truly grateful to be here.
• 28:36
  I would just say that if anybody found value on the stuff that we talked about
• 28:39
  today, head over to jaycampbell.com,
• 28:42
  which is literally one of the world's leading resources now for free
• 28:44
  information about therapeutic peptides.
• 28:47
  You know, I also talk a lot about fasting and hormone optimization, et cetera.
• 28:50
  And then also look for my newest book, which should be out in early
• 28:54
  to mid-August, which is called Living Leaner, Longer, Stronger: The Optimal
• 28:59
  Blueprint for Health and Longevity.
• 29:01
  That book is my magnum opus, and it is very, very short, but it's made for
• 29:06
  people who have no understanding of any of the things that I have obviously a
• 29:09
  good mastery of to really understand.
• 29:11
  So I, look for that book to make a big impact in the world
• 29:13
  Dr. David Friedman:
• 29:13
  Oh, it's great.
• 29:14
  We'll definitely have you back when that book comes out 'cause you've
• 29:16
  been, very informative, and I appreciate you being here with us.
• 29:18
  And, wow, I think you, pulled the wool off people's eyes.
• 29:20
  I think we got a better concept now.
• 29:22
  So thank you very much.
• 29:23
  The book is called Optimize Your Health With Therapeutic Peptides: Extend Your
• 29:27
  Life by Becoming More Muscular, Leaner, Smarter, Injury-Free, and Younger.
• 29:32
  You can get your copy at jaycampbell.com.
• 29:35
  And while there, be sure and check out his other resources, including educational
• 29:39
  articles, courses, coaching programs, and the products he's mentioned, and
• 29:43
  all the therapeutic peptide info you need is right there on that site.
• 29:46
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• 29:51
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• 29:56
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• 29:58
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• 29:59
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