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EP 51: Jared Wilson | Bringing High-Performance Training to Youth Athletes · The Strength In Numbers Podcast

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  The first question I always ask is are you healthy?
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  And what I mean healthy is well, if I asked you to push the
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  agenda of performance, is your body have the capacity and
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  ability to actually do that? So then #2 would say, are you
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  skilled enough at the sport #3 to me then is OK, well, where
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  are we lacking from a performance output and a
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  performance standpoint that allows you to express these
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  skills at a high enough level and frequency that allows you
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  then to play at a very high level.
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  This is your superpower. If we're trying to bring your
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  weakness up, I have to make sure that your superpower does not go
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  down. You can build a really, really
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  good system, but if you can't control everything, the system
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  doesn't really work. And what I've started to learn
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  is that I have to do a better job educating and talking to
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  coaches. I'm trying to build a a system
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  to where an athlete comes in and does an eval and you could
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  classify them from a physical output based on JV varsity,
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  junior college, D3D2D1 professional level.
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  My mission state that basically is take what I did with John,
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  all-encompassing team systems. All of those things in place
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  make it affordable for every single athlete that wants to
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  come through my doors and give them that type of treatment and
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  that kind of strike. Welcome to the Strength in
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  Numbers podcast. I'm your host John Bloom, and
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  today's guest is Jared Wilson. Jared is the owner of JW
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  Performance after working for multiple years as John Wall's
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  Head of Performance. His mission is to bring the high
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  performance system he had working with one NBA athlete to
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  an entire facility of youth athletes.
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  We dive into how to make development decisions based on
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  an athlete's needs, consolidating stress at the high
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  school level, and bringing in aspects of medical care,
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  nutrition, and sleep education. Along with his training, Jared
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  also breaks down how he uses force plates facility as a form,
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  checks and balances the metrics he focuses on and how they help
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  him drive results and retention. If you're getting value from
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  these conversations, give the show a follow and leave a
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  review. It helps us continue to reach
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  and impact more coaches. Let's get into today's episode.
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  Jared, man, since we, we, we got this scheduled.
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  I've been, I've been pumped. I've been, I've been really
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  excited to do this, diving more and more into stuff you got on
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  Instagram, old podcast you've done kind of hearing about you
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  just talking about your business and your training.
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  Everything's getting me more and more excited and I'm pumped to
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  learn from you today. Appreciate it, man.
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  Thank you for having me on. I always joke, people ask me to
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  do these things and I still get humbled just because I do my
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  job. And it's always an honor to be
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  on any type of podcast, you know, talk, training.
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  That's what I love to do. That's awesome.
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  So you're like for people that don't know, you can just tell us
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  a little bit about JW performance.
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  Yeah. So it's just, it's my company,
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  it's my training facility. A little bit about my
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  background, my dad, my dad's a doctor, DC Cairo, grew up my
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  whole life being a kind of a weird kid that knew this is what
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  I was going to do my whole life. I'm from like fifth grade,
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  started training buddies when I was in high school, then into
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  college, and then right when I graduated, I started back then
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  it was called Wilson Sports and Fitness.
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  When an intern at Proactive Sports Performance for 2:00-ish
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  years. Moved back to Ventura and
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  started JW Performance and then I ended up traveling on the road
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  for 2 1/2 years as one of my NBA athletes and then now I'm back
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  home in the facility in the Interior California.
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  Guy named athletes all day, every day.
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  Yeah, that's awesome. You know, one thing I was
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  interested in is like, right, you started that, you started
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  your business, you're working there a couple years, then you
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  leave to go travel full time and you come back and you're now
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  like what? What looks different pre versus
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  post those couple years when you were full time with one person?
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  So free free. The whole facility looks
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  different. I was in like a 1000 square foot
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  garage trying just to build the company.
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  I always tell you I'm trans. When you work for another gym in
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  this industry, I think a lot of places from a business
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  perspective, and it's hard in order to actually kind of grow
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  and make enough money to live in Southern California where I
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  live, You kind of have to make a jump eventually on your own or
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  if you work for a company that needs trainers and you can work
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  out some type of salary for yourself.
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  But in my situation, I was about to get married to try to have
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  kids and house, so I kind of had to go on my house.
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  So like I said, I started 1000 foot garage.
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  I started with I think the day I went proactive, I had each
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  confirmed clients and interim. And so the first couple years
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  there, the goal for me always was five years and I wanted to
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  get back in the professional world and think that's one of
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  the things, you know, some people post working with
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  professional athletes and it's not really their client.
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  They got it from say, a business that they work for.
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  So my goal was that someone wants Jared Wilson to train.
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  So the first part was really just trying to grow the brand,
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  grow the business, grow my name, how I operate, the training
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  size. And then John came into play.
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  I went and moved with him, went through the whole process with
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  him, and I just had a performance.
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  I oversaw everything on the performance umbrella.
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  I hired PTS, massage therapist, you know, with orthopedic
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  surgeon, saw everything we did. I kind of oversaw when I came
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  home. I'm interesting that changed
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  basically because in my opinion of high performance is what I
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  did with John. That's like the pinnacle of what
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  high performance training or high performance facilities sure
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  they look like. So the hard part though is how
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  do you make it affordable? Because you know, you see these
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  NBA guys, you know LeBron, these guys that are $1,000,000 a year
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  on their body. Obviously an average high school
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  kid, parents don't have that kind of funding.
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  So that's not going to work. So my mission statement
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  basically is take what I did with John, all-encompassing team
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  systems, all of those things in place, making affordable for
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  every single athlete that wants to come through my doors and
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  give them that type of treatment and that kind of and that's what
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  I live by now. And we could dive into that a
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  little bit, but that's that's kind of how things have changed
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  a little bit. Free was really just trying to
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  grow my name, go to business, show people what high
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  performance training is. I go on the road, I get a deeper
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  look on what real high performance training is from a
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  system perspective on technically training and then
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  bringing that system back into Ventura.
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  And I'm trying to give it to as many athletes as I possibly.
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  Yeah, no, that's awesome. I'd love to hear like with that
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  mission with trying to bring that system now to obviously,
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  you know, high school athletes have a very different schedule
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  life, you know, to logistics then people where it's just
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  their full job. Like how are you trying to bring
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  those principles and system to that setting now?
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  Yeah. So that that right there is the
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  hardest part. And I talked about this a lot
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  with, you know, trainers and other high end, you know, people
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  that are doing this at a higher level.
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  Like for example, I got Danny Foley, like me and him had some
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  conversations. I've brought him out to my
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  facility. His whole controlling chaos
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  thing. Like how do you do that for high
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  school aged kids? It's really, really hard.
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  It's really easy when you have a, you know, an elite college or
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  an NFL or whoever it may be because you know, they have all
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  the time in the world. In reality, their job is to do
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  training and sport. So how do you bring it to high?
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  So I think the number one piece is you have to drop your ego
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  100%. I got to say I'm fortunate that
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  I have my dad who is a Cairo sports medicine doctor.
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  So he's kind of our head of medical, which you have to have.
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  When I was with John, we had APT on staff.
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  We had massage therapies on staff.
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  Now it's different for a kid because I'm not going to send an
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  high school kid to a, you know, PT every single day to get
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  tissue. I have my dad as my head and
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  medical. And then I have, I have, I kind
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  of handle differentiate, kind of handle sleeping recovery.
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  I handle the training obviously and kind of everything else.
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  For me, it's always having the whole system as one.
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  And the biggest issue I see in the sense that people don't know
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  what that is like. If you asked any person, the
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  example I always give to people is if you ask a high school kid
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  what is a good diet, most of them can rattle off what good
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  is, you know, protein, vegetables, fruits, good carbs,
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  like, but they don't have a system on how to actually make
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  it work for them. And so I always go back to it's
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  a lack of education. And so from a coach perspective,
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  you have to do a lot of educate first is just coaching, you
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  know, slots done this push pulls, like you know, everything
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  we always talk about, you have to start to educate outside of
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  just the sets and the reps. In my opinion, that's kind of
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  the easiest part of what we do. And so that's kind of how I
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  start to implement my system is that I really try to focus on a
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  lot of education. I educate parents after our
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  evaluation. I talked through nutrition, I
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  talked through sleeping recovery, I talked through
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  things that they can start to do at their house from a recovery
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  standpoint at night. So instead of sitting on the
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  couch playing video games, let's get you off the couch, let's get
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  you on a foam roll, let's get you going through some, you
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  know, 1990s and rolling around on the ground.
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  Spend 30 minutes doing that, put your phone down, then go into
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  your simple things like that. And you can't think that every
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  kids going to do it. But the kids that do do it, they
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  come and ask for more. They come and ask for more.
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  Now you're starting to build habits and routines for them to
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  be as successful as they possibly can.
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  So I don't know if that exactly answers your question, but
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  that's kind of how I start to do it.
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  It always comes down to me as a lack of education around what is
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  it actually mean to create a high performance model for me
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  individually as a high school kid?
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  Well, I could just give you all the tools.
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  You're going to kind of have to do it on your own because I
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  don't live in your house. You're not going to have PT come
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  to your house every day. You're not going to have a Slime
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  Savers come to your house every day.
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  You're not going to have a personal chef.
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  So how do we do it for you? And that's what I started to
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  work through with almost every single athlete that I have that
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  wants to have. Yeah.
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  And for so for that education process, you're trying to, you
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  know, go through those things. That is that something that's
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  OK? You know, you're coaching in
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  sessions and you're having those conversations.
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  Is that something you're setting up?
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  OK, we're going to meet and kind of talk about this, you know, in
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  these days after these sessions, you know, as you're thinking
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  through those, you know, we're talking about sleep, nutrition,
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  these different things. You kind of do you have a system
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  where they go? Can you do you know, go through
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  these things or is it more happening naturally through the
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  conversations on that you and that specific athlete are just
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  having week to week? So #1 I think you have to
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  understand the individual. I don't think every single kid
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  wants that. And that I tell every athlete
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  that is totally OK. You know, not every athlete
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  wants to make all the sacrifices that come into play to in order
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  to do that. And that's totally OK.
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  I have that conversation with every athlete.
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  It starts with my evaluation. My evaluation process is what
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  really gets everything rolling. And I always leave probably way
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  too much time, anywhere from 15 minutes all the way to an hour,
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  depending on what day or depending on the time of day.
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  If I have another client or whatever to have a sit down
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  conversation with athlete and parent after the evaluation.
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  And I basically try to explain to people, I got this from Max
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  Marshall, I'm like a Google search engine for performance.
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  So ask me any question that you want and I will sit down and we
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  will go through it. And right there gives me that
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  answer of like, where is this athlete and where are they at
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  together? Because part of it is I'm sure
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  you deal with this. There's a lot of parents out
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  there that see their kid this. But then when you start to get
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  to know the athlete, they're more down here right now.
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  They're like, I kind of care, kind of don't.
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  And I tell parents, honestly, I'm like, look, you can't be the
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  ones that are just driving your kid to do this if they don't
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  want to actually do it. It's going to become this hard
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  push and pull within that evaluation process, the
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  conversation. I can really start to understand
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  that athlete, and aren't they a type of kid that really wants
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  everything, or are they a kid that just wants really good
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  quality training? OK, cool, really good quality
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  training. And then I'm a big believer in
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  that, especially in habits and routines.
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  You can't throw the kitchen sink in a high school kid because all
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  of a sudden there's no system, there's no routine.
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  So we always start good quality training.
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  I got that for you. Let's start with fixing your
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  nutrition a little bit. That's where we'll start.
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  Most high school kids, I start with protein.
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  Most of them are deficient in protein and they just don't eat
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  enough of it. So we're going to start with
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  that in our first block of training.
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  All you're going to do is write down how much protein you eat
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  almost every single day for like a week so that you have a good
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  understanding of what that actually looks like for me to
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  get the protein that I usually recommend to athletes.
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  And then once you can do that during our first block, then I'm
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  going to open up the next thing and I'm going to open up the
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  next thing. So it's just like our training
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  blocks and how I progress our system, I'm going to progress
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  your routines and habits, and those are going to become
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  routines and habits. So they just stay forever.
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  And what usually happens is athletes start to feel so good
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  that they actually stick. And then we just build upon that
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  just like we do our training system.
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  Yeah, no, that, that's a really, really cool idea then I like,
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  you know, I said I try and talk about that stuff too, but
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  sometimes it's more not organized like that.
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  So I really like that if kind of attaching progression to it,
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  just like just with the training that that's great.
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  You know, as you talk about trying to bring high performance
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  to these level of athletes, obviously, you know, I've heard
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  you talk about it, but a big part of high performance is
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  stress consolidation too, right? And like how we're building all
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  the pieces of the schedule together, you know, from my that
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  can be one of the hardest parts with high school athletes with
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  you've got AAU people demanding stuff.
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  You got their skill development demand and stuff.
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  You've got, you know, school workouts and lifting and
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  practices. And then, you know, you've got a
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  lot of different things that aren't always talking to each
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  other when you don't have control of, you know, a high
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  percentage of the variables. How are you trying to have those
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  conversations and educate and talk them through and then build
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  that aspect into their, their, their schedule and, and just how
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  they think about that? Again, now this is the second
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  layer that is probably the hardest part and I'm probably, I
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  joke about this a lot of the I have two things.
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  They have the coaches locally that love me now because they
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  understand the quality of care that I give to their athletes
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  and how much I actually truly care.
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  And I have the complete opposite of that, of coaches that I don't
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  think like me very much because half the time I'm telling their
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  athletes to stop playing for them or take take a break or
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  have that approach follow me so we can have the conversation.
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  I always go back to this. I just think it's just truly a
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  lack of education. I think people are stuck
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  sometimes in this old, you know, bigger, stronger, faster, more
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  is better, bury them into the ground.
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  All of these scenes I see all typically see is you have school
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  coach that has an agenda, you have steel coach that has an
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  agenda, then you have a you or club coach that has an agenda.
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  And and then you have me as this outlier extra person that is
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  trying to balance all of these things.
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  And I think the hardest part a lot of times is that, at least
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  from my experience, what I've seen is they're like club
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  coaches have their own agenda and they don't want to
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  communicate with school coach and school coach says, no, my
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  way is better than club coach. And then you have steel coach
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  who's like, well, my way is the best.
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  And then you have me in the middle who's trying to say, hey,
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  look, I thought we were trying to better this.
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  All of you guys are saying that your system or your approach is
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  better and what you're actually doing is you're just hurting to
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  ask. You're not helping anyone,
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  you're not even helping your team because this app is getting
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  destroyed by everything that we're trying to pushed into this
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  athlete and it doesn't work. And so that's why I was saying
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  in the beginning, the number one thing is drop Riga.
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  We should all be communicating with each other to better the
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  athlete and increase performance and increase that development of
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  that individual athlete. And that's what I am currently
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  trying to work on locally. And then hopefully broader and
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  bigger after that is at the higher levels, you have guys
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  like Daniel both that have done a great job, unstressed
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  consolidation and, and the work around it and high, low model
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  and all these things. The more that I've looked at it,
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  you can build a really, really good system, but if you can't
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  control everything, the system doesn't really work.
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  And what I've started to learn is that I have to do a better
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  job educating and talking to coaches.
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  And so one of the things I'm going to start hopefully pretty
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  soon is just doing free education in my facility for any
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  local coach. It doesn't have to be a trainer.
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  It could be a skill coach, it could be a sport coach.
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  Just starting to understand one of the news I'm talking about
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  because most coaches I've talked to are like, oh, you just really
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  care about these athletes success.
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  That's all I actually care about.
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  I don't care about if they train with me or they don't train with
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  me technically. All I actually care about is
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  that they're successful long term and what they want to
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  accomplish. And that takes way more like you
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  said, it takes way more than just training with me.
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  I don't care if you actually train with me or not.
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  I just care that you become successful in what you're doing
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  and that comes with coaches understanding what we're doing
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  and I have now built some some success.
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  I have football teams. The last three years I've worked
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  with teams, I've won two CM championships, lost in two state
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  finals, 2 of the teams most successful seasons they've ever
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  had, injury risk or injury frequency down almost 95%.
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  So I've started to build kind of like how we do things and one of
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  the things we do is we do zero conditioning, which blows the
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  mind of most high school football coaches.
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  And they're like, what do you mean?
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  Well, high school football, you get 9 months, Austin, if you're
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  a high school kid and you'd frank assistantly for nine
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  months, you're telling me you're not in good enough shape?
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  OK, well then I've challenged the coach that say, well, if you
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  think they're not in good enough shape, then your practices
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  aren't good enough. The practice that you're running
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  is not getting them in good enough shape for football.
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  They are in good shape, they're just not in game shape yet.
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  Your practice should be focusing on that, not just running them
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  into the ground and making them throw up.
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  And that's not helping the kid at all.
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  It's actually fatiguing them more.
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  And the issue I see a lot then is what you see, coach, these
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  kids are in shape. What do they do?
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  They run them more than all of a sudden they're so fatigued and
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  so redlined. I call it that you're not even
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  seeing a true expression just because they're tired.
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  If you give them a week off, I get I bet you the next Friday
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  night they would actually dominant because they would
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  actually just be recovering it fresh and be ready to go.
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  So those are some of the challenges.
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  Some of the things I worked at. I think always it just comes
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  back to a lack of education about what it is that we do.
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  And you start to see it now in in basketball a lot.
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  Andre, who I got the pleasure to to work with and learn so much
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  with that firehose change when I was with the Clippers, like he's
• 18:10
  getting hired as an assistant coach to basically do this is
• 18:14
  like, how do we consolidate stress?
• 18:16
  How do we have a high low model? How do we see the workloads of
• 18:20
  guys chronically and acutely and how do we manage that?
• 18:23
  So how do you do in high school? You have to have conversations
• 18:27
  about what's best for the athlete.
• 18:30
  My system's the best. It's not that, it's, it's how do
• 18:33
  we get these athletes at a higher level?
• 18:34
  And a lot of times it's it's doing less actually.
• 18:37
  Yeah, yeah, no, that, that's super good.
• 18:40
  I want to do kind of a a little case of here, there's actually
• 18:42
  real life example kind of applying to this right now.
• 18:45
  So I was actually having a conversation with one at the
• 18:49
  high school I work with, with their basketball program, one of
• 18:51
  the athletes and then our head coach.
• 18:53
  And this guy's a really good bass player, great size, super
• 18:57
  good shooter, but like to get recruited, he's going to get
• 18:59
  needed a lot more athletic. So, you know, kind of sit down
• 19:02
  like how, how it can make that happen.
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  And we were talking about some of this stuff with him where
• 19:07
  it's like, you know, he's doing 4 skill sessions a week plus AU
• 19:10
  plus, you know, you know, it's just overwhelmed there.
• 19:12
  It's like we, we might have to shift your priorities a little
• 19:14
  bit based on like what you're trying to get better AT.
• 19:17
  And so, you know, I'm actually tomorrow going to be sitting
• 19:19
  down with him and his dad and kind of talking about a plan and
• 19:21
  talking about how we can, we talked about some, you know,
• 19:24
  high, low stuff like how we can, you know, change the schedule a
• 19:27
  little bit. So kind of knowing that, OK,
• 19:29
  we're trying to get this guy a lot more athletic.
• 19:31
  If you had control of the variables here of the skill
• 19:34
  stuff, the club stuff, you know, the lifting, like what would his
• 19:38
  week look like for you? If if you you know you're not
• 19:41
  compete with other people, you're able to determine that.
• 19:43
  So it's exactly, this is what I did with John.
• 19:46
  I think #1 is, is understanding that.
• 19:49
  So that's how I approach the conversation all kind of running
• 19:52
  through John's. It's kind of similar sense.
• 19:55
  Well, OK, so what's number one? I just took this on my story
• 19:58
  yesterday. Number one is general health.
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  So is the kid healthy? Some.
• 20:03
  Most basketball players have knee problems, so and John had
• 20:06
  his issues, which I won't get into for his own sake, but he
• 20:09
  had his own issues. So the first question I always
• 20:11
  ask is, are you healthy? And what I mean healthy is,
• 20:14
  well, if I asked you to push the agenda of performance, is your
• 20:19
  body have the capacity and ability to actually do that?
• 20:22
  John's answer was no. OK, so then my first point is
• 20:26
  basketball for him, he's a pro athlete at the time.
• 20:29
  Basketball is kind of out the window to me.
• 20:31
  You're already good enough at basketball.
• 20:33
  We need to get you healthy. So that's where we started.
• 20:36
  We started at like a six week block where we just got him to
• 20:39
  have the capacities and abilities to actually then have
• 20:42
  a chance to allow for expression within sport.
• 20:46
  So then #2 would say, are you skilled enough at the sport?
• 20:52
  The answer for John was yes, obviously #3 to me then is OK.
• 20:57
  Well, where are we lacking from a performance output and a
• 21:01
  performance standpoint that allows you to express these
• 21:04
  skills at a high enough level and frequency that allows you
• 21:08
  then to play at a very high level to be able to go back and
• 21:13
  play in the NBA, which we got him to eventually with the
• 21:15
  Clippers. And so that's how we went
• 21:17
  through this system was health is number 1.
• 21:20
  Can we fix some of his Achilles issues?
• 21:23
  We fix all of his knee issues and other issues that he had
• 21:26
  going on where he felt really good.
• 21:28
  One of them was body composition, but getting him in
• 21:31
  a really, really good spot. Then it was establishing
• 21:34
  workloads on the court that didn't interfere with workloads
• 21:38
  in the weight room early. And so then we started to work
• 21:41
  through that. Then it shifted as we started,
• 21:44
  which people started to see him in Miami and clips were going
• 21:46
  viral with him dunking again and playing at a high level again.
• 21:49
  That's when we started to shift again to more sport and less
• 21:54
  weight room performance. And that right there was a year
• 21:56
  and a half that wasn't like a four week block, a four week
• 21:59
  block, a four week block. That was a year and a half of
• 22:02
  time that we had to use. So when I look at a week for
• 22:05
  like a high school athlete, the first question I always ask is
• 22:08
  are you help? Yes or no?
• 22:09
  No. OK, well, why are you not
• 22:11
  healthy? What is going on?
• 22:12
  OK, we're going to address that. That doesn't mean I'm going to
• 22:15
  take you off the court completely.
• 22:16
  I think that's where people get freaked out.
• 22:17
  They're like, oh, you're telling me I can't play my sport?
• 22:19
  It's like, no, but this is how I'm going to address it.
• 22:23
  And I need court volume to come down because we, when core
• 22:27
  volume is so high, we're not going to be able to get enough
• 22:30
  of a stress and a stimulus to be able to actually create
• 22:33
  adaptation and change for you to actually get healthy enough to
• 22:36
  withstand the capacity that you're asking your body to do on
• 22:38
  the court. So that's number one.
• 22:40
  Number two is now are you skillful enough at the sport,
• 22:45
  yes or no? And I think basketball players
• 22:47
  do the worstest. I've played college basketball.
• 22:49
  So I get a little bit more like from a skill perspective, what
• 22:53
  are you like? If I go talk to the number one
• 22:55
  school that's recruiting you, what are they going to say in
• 22:58
  response to why do you like me or what do I need to be better
• 23:02
  at before I get to you? And I tell all my young athletes
• 23:05
  this, this is part of our system.
• 23:06
  Once you start getting recruited, talk to the coach
• 23:09
  that you that wants you the most and say, what do I need to get
• 23:12
  better at? If that answer is physical, I
• 23:16
  got you. If that answer is still, that's
• 23:18
  somebody else. That's not me, but that's where
• 23:21
  I've been start to develop their program.
• 23:22
  Because if it's still, you need to spend more time on the court.
• 23:26
  I then need to back that to build your, you know, foundation
• 23:31
  and your capacities and your outputs to be able to withstand
• 23:34
  what we're going to ask you to do on the court.
• 23:36
  But what you're doing on the court needs to be just how I do
• 23:39
  it in the weight room where we can objectively say that that
• 23:42
  skill is getting better. That's where I think a lot of
• 23:45
  guys get it wrong is they go this whole Mama mentality and
• 23:49
  they just go to the gym and kill themselves and then and then
• 23:53
  you're like, well, what'd you get better at?
• 23:54
  I don't know. I did some dribbling, I did some
• 23:56
  shooting, I did some full court play.
• 23:57
  I oh, did you get better at the skill that they actually said
• 24:00
  you're not good enough at? OK, well, my argument with guys
• 24:03
  all the time is if you actually look at Kobe and his workouts,
• 24:07
  he would do about 1000 mid range jump shots from the elbow and
• 24:10
  that was it. And people got what do you mean?
• 24:12
  Go watch and actually research the Mamba mentality.
• 24:16
  Kobe would do 500 makes, then he'd have a job to make.
• 24:21
  Then he'd have a reverse pivot make one dribble make.
• 24:24
  Go look at your high school kid do a workout.
• 24:26
  It doesn't look like that. He's developing skills that
• 24:29
  allow for development and allow for expression when it comes to
• 24:33
  game time. And so that's like exactly how
• 24:35
  then I would approach the skill component.
• 24:38
  And then if they say it's athleticism, then that's where I
• 24:40
  come into play. And so you have this thing of
• 24:43
  health, skill, performance, and the buckets then need to change
• 24:48
  depending on what we need. And that's kind of how I break
• 24:51
  it down with certain athletes. I mean, I've had Dassault
• 24:53
  players, parents didn't really like it.
• 24:54
  I've had three in my career. Not that I've told them not to
• 24:57
  train with me. I've just told them they're
• 24:59
  like, look, you're better off spending this energy getting
• 25:03
  better at basketball doesn't mean you can't come in here.
• 25:06
  But if I get you a 40 inch vertical and I can get you to
• 25:09
  run 23 mph and you're stronger than anything in the world.
• 25:12
  If you can't catch the ball in the post and you can't make a
• 25:14
  left or right hand layup, you're never going to make any call.
• 25:18
  And that's just the fact it's it's ever explored across the
• 25:21
  board. It's just, it's a fact.
• 25:22
  And I, I use that as an example because I had a big that I used
• 25:25
  to work with that I don't anymore because we kind of
• 25:29
  butted heads when it came to what the kid actually needed to
• 25:33
  get better. Like I looked at his workouts
• 25:34
  and he's just doing like between the legs, step backs.
• 25:37
  And then I would talk to his, him and I'd be like, Hey, can
• 25:39
  you like, you're a bitch? Like can you catch the ball in
• 25:41
  the post? Can you pass out of the post?
• 25:43
  Can you hit a three at a OK percentage?
• 25:45
  And can you finish left shoulder, right shoulder around
• 25:47
  the rant. And he'd be like, and I, I said,
• 25:49
  can you do it at like a 90% clip and just steel trainer?
• 25:52
  He's like, I don't know, I've never done that.
• 25:54
  I'm like, well, that's probably where you should start.
• 25:56
  And that's where I would start you if I was your steel trainer.
• 26:00
  So yeah, that that's like over broad, I guess of like how I
• 26:03
  kind of look at it. When I look, I I don't really
• 26:05
  ever look at a week until I know all of those aspects of like,
• 26:09
  are you healthy, yes or no? Is your still an issue for you
• 26:12
  trying to go to college? Yes or no?
• 26:14
  And then or is it physical? If it's physical, I have you.
• 26:17
  But you have to understand that if it's physical, the program
• 26:21
  that I'm going to design and that and what we're going to
• 26:23
  work on is going to be stressful.
• 26:25
  So we have to be able to push that and everything else, it
• 26:30
  can't interfere. So then I guess if I look at
• 26:32
  your schedule, I'd say, OK, are you going to do your are you
• 26:35
  going to do your practices or you're still work in the morning
• 26:37
  or at night? I'm going to do in the morning.
• 26:40
  OK, cool. Then.
• 26:41
  So then you're going to go, you're you're going to go,
• 26:43
  you're training. It might give you a pre court
• 26:45
  series to do it's let's say it's a need thing.
• 26:48
  I'm going to give you a general tissue prep to do before that
• 26:50
  and some Isos and blah, blah, blah.
• 26:52
  You're going to do your court session.
• 26:53
  Then you're going to come to me directly after that or you're
• 26:57
  going to take about four to six hours.
• 26:58
  And then you're going to come to be at night.
• 27:00
  Then the next day you're going to go to low volume or sorry,
• 27:04
  higher volume, lower intensity on the court the next day.
• 27:08
  And we're going to work on issues that we need to fix on
• 27:11
  that day. So we're going to have a high,
• 27:12
  low model. And that's how we're going to
• 27:13
  work. That's the simplest way to put
• 27:16
  it is. And that's where kids get kind
• 27:18
  of mind blown. They're like, wait, wait, wait.
• 27:19
  I'm going to lift my hardest on my practice day.
• 27:21
  Yeah, because we're going to keep that really high.
• 27:23
  And the flip side that I've started to build more into my
• 27:26
  system now is that when you look at college, that's what you're
• 27:29
  going to do in college. You're going to lift.
• 27:31
  You're going to, I have a lot of football guys right now, but
• 27:33
  like you're going to Sprint, you're going to lift and then
• 27:35
  you're going to go to practice. So if you don't get used to
• 27:38
  that, I believe the worst case scenario is I'm at least getting
• 27:41
  you used to that. That's what's going to happen.
• 27:43
  Yeah, imagine that. That was such a good breakdown.
• 27:46
  You know, I love because I was in hype force.
• 27:49
  I think it's like like you're talking about like what do you
• 27:51
  actually need? Like, let's not just check boxes
• 27:53
  to check boxes, but like as an individual, what do you need to
• 27:56
  actually get better? And then I feel like one of the
• 27:59
  problems with that is that a lot of these athletes want to stay
• 28:02
  in the space that they're good at, right?
• 28:04
  If I'm a great athlete, OK, I want to keep training and, you
• 28:08
  know, jump high and get stronger because I feel good doing that.
• 28:11
  Like I'm I'm the top guy when I'm in that area.
• 28:13
  But if I'm having to go work on my shot, like I'm not, I'm not
• 28:16
  as good there. And then, you know, other way
• 28:17
  around. If I'm a, you know, grade 3 by
• 28:18
  shooter, need to put on weight, need to get more athletic.
• 28:21
  I feel really good in the gym, you know, shooting and, and
• 28:24
  develop my skill more. I'm not quite as confident, but
• 28:27
  I feel like then it is that part of the education thing too, you
• 28:30
  know, like you're talking about like we've got to get them over
• 28:33
  that hump of like, hey, like this is your priority.
• 28:36
  And you know, it's OK if you're not great.
• 28:38
  Like we, we need to, we need to go into your weaknesses a little
• 28:40
  bit. But I, I, I don't know if that's
• 28:42
  kind of a hurdle you've seen too.
• 28:44
  Yeah. I mean, I always tell guys like
• 28:46
  I classify guys and I I try to do my best at systemizing
• 28:51
  things. I think that's one of the things
• 28:52
  that separates high level people from when I've been around them.
• 28:56
  It's really less about exercises, I guess, but it's
• 28:59
  really system. So like, again, like my first
• 29:01
  part of every athlete is health, skill, performance.
• 29:04
  But after all that, I say, OK, well, like this is your
• 29:08
  superpower. If we're trying to bring your
• 29:10
  weakness, I have to make sure that your superpower does not go
• 29:14
  down. And so there has to be a
• 29:16
  balance. And that's where I can start to
• 29:18
  talk to athletes about like, I'm not telling you again, I'm not
• 29:20
  telling you not to play basketball.
• 29:22
  I'm not telling you not to go run routes for, like, my
• 29:24
  receivers. I'm just telling you, let's
• 29:26
  organize it and systemize it to make it better because right now
• 29:30
  it's random, and random things get random results.
• 29:33
  We're trying to drive high performance for a result that is
• 29:37
  very actionable. When I go to basketball, I used
• 29:39
  to have a say that I got to find it again.
• 29:41
  Drew Hamlin, Jason Tatum. Yeah.
• 29:43
  I went to one of his talks and he basically broke down, like,
• 29:46
  very simply. And it kind of opened my eyes a
• 29:48
  little bit. Like he talked about Tatums
• 29:50
  development over high school. He's had him since high school.
• 29:52
  And like he said, the first time was similar to Kobe was like a
• 29:55
  mid range catch turn around, shoot.
• 29:58
  And like that's pretty much all they worked on.
• 29:59
  And then like the next offseason, they worked on a
• 30:01
  catch, turn around jab shop, OK. Then the next offseason they
• 30:06
  worked on catch, turn around, jab 1, dribble, step back three.
• 30:10
  And then he worked on building off of that.
• 30:12
  And if you watch Tatum's game, you're like, Dang, he does all
• 30:15
  that stuff at a very, very high level.
• 30:17
  But his point was when I was my, my point was, was like, he just
• 30:20
  developed skills that were actually transferable to sport.
• 30:24
  And that's the same kind of framework that I work within my
• 30:27
  training system is that my job is to build physical qualities
• 30:32
  that allow for that expression in sport.
• 30:34
  And that's all I actually care about.
• 30:36
  Like, I don't care about making you a bodybuilder.
• 30:37
  I don't care about making you the strongest human in the world
• 30:41
  technically. I care about the rebuilding
• 30:43
  qualities that allow for you to play your sport better.
• 30:45
  Because at the end of the day, that's what you're trying to do.
• 30:47
  Like, no, you know, and that's the reality.
• 30:49
  Yeah, yeah. No, that's good.
• 30:51
  Then, you know, as you're talking about that and talking
• 30:54
  about Tay and that, you know, brings up a guy I had Dylan
• 30:57
  Jones. I, I, I, I coached someone.
• 30:59
  I was at Weber State and he I came in a sophomore, but like
• 31:04
  his freshman, he came in, he had winning freshman of the year and
• 31:07
  the Big Sky. But like he was he like he's
• 31:09
  like 6-5, like 235 like a thick guy, like put forward super
• 31:13
  skilled. And you know, he's like that.
• 31:16
  His first offseason is like, you know, that first year he shot
• 31:18
  like maybe like 27% from three and he's like, OK, this
• 31:21
  offseason that's, that's what he's focused on.
• 31:23
  He's getting his three-point shot up gets into, you know,
• 31:25
  3035 or so. And he's like, OK, now I really
• 31:28
  need to work in my body and he gets his body right now.
• 31:30
  Like the next time he's like, I'm doing this skill, this
• 31:32
  skill, right. But he's a, he's a first round
• 31:33
  pick when he was like a, you know, barely ranked guy coming
• 31:37
  out of high school. And I I think, you know, when
• 31:41
  you go back all the way to when you're talking about nutrition,
• 31:43
  it's like you try and throw everything at first.
• 31:45
  Usually nothing sticks. I feel the same thing here.
• 31:47
  It's like, let's be targeted, OK, during this period.
• 31:51
  Like obviously you're not just throwing, you know, not doing
• 31:53
  anything else, right? You still keeping your super
• 31:55
  power superpower, like let's make this our focus and, and
• 31:58
  dominate that and see huge results there.
• 32:01
  And then we can keep that in the system.
• 32:03
  But like then we go to the next thing.
• 32:04
  So yeah, I think that's super cool what you're talking about
• 32:06
  there. Well, it's skill, it gets more
• 32:08
  into like the, you know, skill development side of things.
• 32:11
  But I always tell my athletes like strength training is also a
• 32:15
  skill. You're going to suck at
• 32:17
  squatting the first time you come in and you're going to get
• 32:20
  better at it as you go. And eventually you're going to
• 32:22
  be, you know, front squatting or back squatting.
• 32:24
  But it's, it's the same, it's the same kind of system that I
• 32:26
  worked all the time and like talking all the time with like,
• 32:29
  you know, with strongman for an example, like, do you think they
• 32:32
  ever go to the gym and they're like, I'm so tired of squatting
• 32:35
  to know that they're trying to master the skill of squatting
• 32:39
  because that's their thing. But you know, to jump like, you
• 32:42
  know, Francois, for example, we're going to Francois for a
• 32:44
  very long time. We're going to change 10 tempos,
• 32:46
  intensities, all these things. But it's a skill in itself.
• 32:49
  And for me to get the elect, the most adaptation is stimulus
• 32:53
  response. You have to be good at that
• 32:55
  skill. And so like I, yeah, we're going
• 32:57
  to do it for a really long time, varying tempos, varying
• 32:59
  intensities. Like Nick Saban just had a quote
• 33:02
  the other day that I think I saw on Instagram randomly.
• 33:04
  But he's like the most successful people that he's
• 33:07
  worked with are the ones that can do the most boring things,
• 33:10
  the most frequently, the least amount of bored.
• 33:14
  I think I pushed his quote. But he's like, basically like
• 33:15
  they can do the boring stuff over and over and not get bored.
• 33:18
  Those are the most successful people.
• 33:20
  And it comes the same like skill development training, all of
• 33:23
  these things like you have to just build the system and
• 33:26
  routines and habits that allow for development.
• 33:29
  And too many guys, in my opinion, they just do too much
• 33:32
  randomized stuff. And it's just, it's just random.
• 33:35
  It's just random to be random. They don't know why they don't,
• 33:37
  they don't even know why they're doing it.
• 33:38
  Like most of my basketball guys I talked to, I my first question
• 33:42
  I was asked is what did you get better at this offseason?
• 33:44
  All of them said, I don't know. And to me that's a huge problem.
• 33:48
  And so like, that's where again, I'll talk to skill coaches and
• 33:52
  some of them don't like me because of my truth about what I
• 33:55
  do, because like in my system, I just wrote a lot yesterday.
• 33:58
  I was trying to make a video. I have sprints feeds and I have
• 34:01
  my 4th place, my every parent I tell to this is my checks and
• 34:07
  balance. And my joke with all my parents
• 34:08
  is that after every block and then more, we jump every week,
• 34:12
  but especially after every block.
• 34:14
  I will send you results. I'll talk to you again about it.
• 34:17
  If you come into the facility, if your son or daughter does not
• 34:19
  improve where I tell them they're going to improve at, you
• 34:22
  can fire me. I have yet to be in fire and
• 34:25
  that's that's how I try to get kids to understand about their
• 34:28
  life in general is like you should be trying to develop and
• 34:31
  how are you going to do that? It's not, you know, you got to
• 34:34
  systemize it and you have to actually figure out what you're
• 34:36
  good at. It's hard for kids though,
• 34:37
  because it's like you ask the kid, what are you not good at?
• 34:39
  They don't want to tell you. Every basketball player has a
• 34:41
  has a handles. Every basketball player can
• 34:43
  shoot it every basketball. Like I just had a kid the other
• 34:45
  day. He told me.
• 34:47
  I said I said eval, kid. I said what?
• 34:49
  I said here's a JV battle player.
• 34:51
  I said, what do you have to do to play varsity next year?
• 34:53
  His answer to me was jump higher.
• 34:55
  I was like, so everything else is good.
• 34:57
  He's like, yeah, I was like, you're not being honest.
• 35:00
  Because the fact is, if I get you at 40th vertical, it doesn't
• 35:03
  mean you're Austin just right on Marcy.
• 35:05
  There's a reason why you weren't.
• 35:06
  But like, that's my point. Most kids and it's hard.
• 35:08
  It's hard to again, drop. There you go.
• 35:10
  Have a real conversation with you, man.
• 35:11
  Like what? What are you not good at?
• 35:13
  Let's let's get really good at that kind of those kind of
• 35:14
  things and keep your superpower where it is without losing it.
• 35:18
  Yeah. OK, so for that one kid I was
• 35:20
  talking about, if we're thinking about that, OK, we're going to
• 35:22
  we're going to still keep, you know, your skill, his
• 35:26
  superpower, his superpower, but we're going to really prioritize
• 35:30
  our stress towards OK, when you get you more athletic, what what
• 35:32
  type of like volumes as we're backing maybe the court volumes
• 35:36
  down, but it's still there. Like what do you think?
• 35:37
  Obviously it changes athlete to athlete.
• 35:39
  Like what do you think that looks like?
• 35:40
  I'm still keeping that present, especially, you know, at this
• 35:43
  time of year right now for him, like AU season.
• 35:45
  Think of that like how much can you keep in where we can really
• 35:49
  push that physical aspect but still keep that skill part
• 35:52
  involved. Which is this is where I don't
• 35:54
  actually look at this very much for these situations.
• 35:56
  I kind of do like, what is his life training age like?
• 36:00
  Has he been training? Has he not been training?
• 36:02
  Like that's comes into play here.
• 36:04
  He's been training like he's not advanced by any means, but he's
• 36:07
  he moves well. He's got a good foundation of
• 36:09
  training. Yeah.
• 36:10
  So I mean, like you basically some like basketball players.
• 36:13
  I don't, I don't always change everything that they're doing,
• 36:17
  doing because I was a basketball player and like I understood,
• 36:20
  like I understood that I try to vary.
• 36:23
  One of the things I look at sometimes for them is just time
• 36:25
  on feet. So if you look at a week and you
• 36:28
  say, OK, let's say for example, they have, I don't two or three
• 36:32
  a practices and let's call them two hours.
• 36:34
  So that's six hours right there. Let's say it's a game week or a
• 36:37
  tournament week. So they're going to play
• 36:39
  anywhere from four to six games probably.
• 36:42
  So that's a huge spike that week.
• 36:46
  And I'd say maybe it's an it's an off week.
• 36:49
  Then what I look at is I say, OK, that's, that's like, you
• 36:52
  know that that's set. You're going to go to practice.
• 36:54
  You cannot go to practice. I understand that, but what are
• 36:57
  you doing outside of that? And that's why I start to have
• 37:00
  this conversation with the athlete.
• 37:01
  And if they say, well, I also have three skill sessions a
• 37:04
  week, OK, how long are those hour, hour and a half?
• 37:07
  OK, can we get those skill sessions down to 45 minutes,
• 37:11
  right? Can I, can I get 15 minutes of
• 37:14
  your skill session to work on qualities?
• 37:17
  I, I steal this from Corey Schlesinger and his micro dose
• 37:19
  model. And again, it's, it's, it's like
• 37:21
  what we're doing John. It's like John's day looked, I
• 37:27
  know I call it, but soft tissue work, mobility, all that stuff,
• 37:33
  power jumping, plyos, all that stuff, Core workout, strength.
• 37:37
  So I'm not going to go with you because I have a bunch of
• 37:40
  clients I have to do. But can I, can I walk you
• 37:42
  through things that when you go to your skill session, assuming
• 37:46
  you're going to a gym, So can I get the 1st 15 to 20 minutes of
• 37:49
  your skill session and you show up early And then can we get a
• 37:52
  really high intensity, low volume skill workout and really
• 37:57
  be fine? It doesn't have to be high
• 37:59
  intensity, but can it be really fine-tuned to skill?
• 38:01
  And then we're going to do our training two or three times a
• 38:05
  week. And that's where I buy a little
• 38:07
  bit of the time and total time on feedback.
• 38:09
  Because a lot of times, a lot of times people don't really always
• 38:12
  look at that. But it's, it is a metric like
• 38:14
  time on feed. Like if you all of a sudden have
• 38:16
  an hour and a half two hour skill session on top of what
• 38:18
  you're doing, that's all I'm saying. 12 hours a week where
• 38:20
  you're on the court where I just, I just don't think you
• 38:23
  need to be on the court that much.
• 38:24
  So where can I start to plug and play what I need so that if I
• 38:28
  could get him to do some soft tissue work, some mobility, some
• 38:34
  Isos and then some, some bounding, some skipping, some
• 38:38
  output based stuff, some some backward touches, dunking, all
• 38:43
  that kind of stuff, depending on the day and intensities, a lot
• 38:45
  of stuff. So then then he has a skill
• 38:47
  session, typically feels better for the skill session, which
• 38:49
  then he's like, oh, I'm always do this stuff.
• 38:52
  And then now when you come to me quick check in everything
• 38:56
  feeling good. No, yes, if you say no, what's
• 38:59
  not feeling good? Let's address that real quick.
• 39:01
  And then let's get into our strength.
• 39:03
  And maybe still a couple of buckets if you know, whatever it
• 39:06
  is. But like that's where I start to
• 39:07
  try to educate guys. Like a lot of my a lot of my
• 39:09
  higher level guys that train a lot, some of their stuff like
• 39:12
  they're not even with me, like they're going to the field and
• 39:15
  doing a Sprint workout. I just don't have the time.
• 39:17
  I can't, I can't go to the field.
• 39:18
  I can't be back here. I got two things going on and so
• 39:20
  and vice versa. So like I'll create against
• 39:23
  systems. I keep it.
• 39:25
  I was just talking to my team about this the other day.
• 39:27
  I think one of the problems is sometimes we try to get too
• 39:29
  complicated, but a simple quick 5 minute foam blowing mobility.
• 39:34
  Let's see, roll the foot, hit the calf, hit the abductor, hit
• 39:38
  the glitter TfL OK, and maybe the quad for a basketball
• 39:41
  player. OK, then let's get into some
• 39:42
  1990s. Let's get into some front hip.
• 39:44
  Let's get into some medial hip. Let's get into some backside
• 39:46
  hip. Let's get maybe a little bit of
• 39:48
  T spine. OK, there's your mobility.
• 39:50
  Now let's get you locomoting. So let's get you skipping, multi
• 39:53
  directional skipping. Let's get you shuffling.
• 39:55
  Let's get you doing some karaoke.
• 39:56
  Let's bleed that into some pogos multi direction.
• 39:59
  Now let's get. You know, skips for height, Max
• 40:02
  height, let's get somewhere, you know, 10 to 15 of those on each
• 40:06
  leg. Then let's get some skips for
• 40:08
  distance, then let's get maybe some broad jumps and then let's
• 40:12
  get 10 dots or 10 ring touches and then we could progress off
• 40:17
  that. And that right there, that's a
• 40:18
  great little, you know, plyo output session that goes into
• 40:21
  his core workout where he's going to get a lot of change in
• 40:23
  direction, hopefully some Excel's details and then they'll
• 40:26
  get his strength later. And that's where I can start to
• 40:28
  again educate and around. And it's how I used to work with
• 40:30
  John, like me and John's trainer.
• 40:32
  And that's where I again, I say, if you could communicate with
• 40:34
  trainers, me and John's trainer would meet weekly about what is
• 40:38
  his core workout actually looking like.
• 40:40
  Because if I'm working on acceleration, deceleration, I
• 40:43
  want the court to mimic that. And that's again, I think maybe
• 40:46
  I, I don't always think this, but other coaches I talk to
• 40:49
  sometimes like, Oh, that's smart, but you're trying to
• 40:52
  match the stressor of the day completely, in my opinion.
• 40:54
  So like, if it's an XLD cell day, I'll tell the sport coach
• 40:58
  that or the skill coach. So now they're going to do more
• 41:01
  step back type things or hard accelerations to whatever it is.
• 41:05
  I, I don't, I'm not a skill trainer.
• 41:06
  So like you can do that. We might have a change of
• 41:08
  direction type of day. So it's going to be more frontal
• 41:10
  plane, more side to side, all that kind of stuff.
• 41:12
  And then we'll have sometimes more like a Max velocity or high
• 41:15
  CNF of the day. And that's where maybe it's more
• 41:18
  full court actions and things of that nature.
• 41:20
  So you can start to mimic. And that's again, Daniel Bo's
• 41:22
  book. He breaks it down much further
• 41:23
  what I'm talking about right now.
• 41:24
  But that's like where you start to lay all this out for parents
• 41:28
  and athletes. And they're like, holy moly,
• 41:30
  man. Like I appreciate you so much.
• 41:32
  Like I'd never even thought about this stuff.
• 41:34
  And typically what happens is athletes start to feel so much
• 41:37
  better than they want more and they want more and they want
• 41:40
  more. And all of a sudden now you have
• 41:41
  them hooked in and, and they're and now all of a sudden
• 41:44
  everything starts to fall into place.
• 41:46
  Yeah, no, that, that's so good. You talked about your checks and
• 41:49
  balances and, and one thing about talking about is your use
• 41:53
  of the force plates I had when I was at Oral Roberts, we had for
• 41:55
  Hawkins. I was there a little bit and
• 41:57
  then, but I literally just last week got Hawkins in for, for my
• 42:01
  training. So really pumped to kind of
• 42:03
  start integrating that into my business.
• 42:05
  When you're doing those checks and balances, what are the, what
• 42:08
  are the metrics that you're holding yourself accountable to
• 42:10
  that that you're telling them, hey, we're going to improve
• 42:12
  these metrics? So I have so day one for all
• 42:16
  athletes is a a baseline day. The plates I'm working on are
• 42:23
  more of a because the number one question everybody asks is like,
• 42:25
  is this good? Because fourth place in reality,
• 42:27
  the record holder in my facility, I do everything hands
• 42:29
  on hips is 24 knot. So the jump height itself is
• 42:33
  going to be lower than anything they've ever heard of ever.
• 42:36
  So they freaked out. So I'm building more of like a
• 42:38
  database on classifying athletes and being able to kind of
• 42:42
  compare. We compare now, but again, this
• 42:45
  is just more of a passion project and it's popped in my
• 42:48
  head now. But I'm trying to build a, a
• 42:50
  system to where an athlete comes in and does an eval and you
• 42:53
  could classify them from a physical output based on junior
• 42:57
  college or really JV varsity, junior college, D3D2D1
• 43:03
  professional level. And so you could classify.
• 43:05
  So the kid comes in and he's a varsity basketball player and he
• 43:08
  jumps and you can say, Hey, you're actually AJV level
• 43:11
  athlete compared to my database. So now talk about what we just
• 43:14
  talked about is like, now that's the conversation I have with the
• 43:17
  parent athletes. Like look, your physical
• 43:19
  qualities need to get better to give you an opportunity to play
• 43:22
  at the next level. Your steel is great, you're on
• 43:24
  varsity, you're doing really well.
• 43:26
  But this is the gap that I actually see.
• 43:28
  That's what I'm trying to develop right now.
• 43:29
  But when it comes to like the metrics and stuff, I kind of do
• 43:32
  it like a tier system, just like my training system is
• 43:35
  everything. Again, everything for me is kind
• 43:36
  of a system and it runs together, but we do a counter
• 43:39
  movement jump, we do a squad jump and we do a multi rebound
• 43:42
  jump. The counter movement jump, first
• 43:44
  time they come in, I really only look at the jump height.
• 43:48
  I look at time to take off counter movement depth and then
• 43:51
  I look at I'll look at MRSI and that's pretty much it for a new
• 43:56
  client because that's all I really need.
• 43:58
  And on top of that hundred hundred Eisenhower, is that the
• 44:02
  last name? Yeah, Eisenhower, I think, yeah,
• 44:04
  he talks about it a lot and we, me and him have talked about a
• 44:07
  lot. I actually probably look more at
• 44:08
  the curve than I do the metrics early on because the curve will
• 44:14
  tell me a lot about the athlete and then I just keep it really
• 44:17
  simple early on. And then Tier 2, once they tart
• 44:20
  to train a little bit, we'll add the IMTP in.
• 44:23
  So we'll get it. So every athlete will get CMJ or
• 44:25
  get a squad jump, which will get a eccentric utilization ratio
• 44:28
  off of. They'll get a multi rebound
• 44:30
  where I'm looking at RSI on that one.
• 44:33
  And then they'll get an IMTP later on, which we're looking at
• 44:36
  in the DSI. So that gives us a huge Bank of
• 44:39
  information. But the number one thing I tell
• 44:41
  a lot of people sometimes is that force plates can get very,
• 44:44
  very confused. I don't want to say confusing,
• 44:46
  but like you can start to go in the weeds.
• 44:49
  And so I keep the metrics so simple because all I'm looking
• 44:54
  at are are we improving performance?
• 44:56
  First thing I look at is the curve because you can tell a lot
• 45:00
  based off the curve. And then we go into those simple
• 45:02
  metrics and then eventually we will look at jump fire, Mr. side
• 45:06
  peak relative propulsive power, peak propulsive power,
• 45:09
  gentlemen, and an average relative breaking power.
• 45:12
  Those are the ones we'll dive into more as we go down, but
• 45:15
  sometimes that takes a while because typically.
• 45:17
  So the thing that happens for me is that kids, if you look at
• 45:20
  their curve, they don't have any ability to unweight.
• 45:23
  That's a trend across the board. They don't have any.
• 45:26
  They don't understand the ability of breaking and a lot of
• 45:29
  them are very propulsive based. They basically just kind of load
• 45:32
  really slow and they try to push up super hard and they get an
• 45:35
  outfit. So we always start cleaning up
• 45:39
  on weighting and breaking, which results in almost all other
• 45:43
  metrics going up. Like we just had a kid the other
• 45:45
  day, test and all. I think his average percent
• 45:48
  change was like 58% of him, something like that.
• 45:51
  He's like an eighth grade. He's like an eighth grade kid
• 45:54
  trains 2 * a week. So it's, yeah, it's like, I
• 45:57
  think the, I think the thing with place is they're the most
• 46:01
  reliable. They're the best thing that you
• 46:03
  could possibly have. The hard part with place is
• 46:06
  creating your system that is simple and able to accomplish
• 46:10
  with a volume of people and going from there.
• 46:13
  And so like I like for my evaluation, we do all that.
• 46:16
  I spend about two hours extra going through everything.
• 46:20
  But for the parent and athlete, I just go through those quick
• 46:23
  ones and I say, hey, look, your jump height today was 12/5, your
• 46:27
  time to take off was .9, and your counter room and death was
• 46:32
  15. I usually like that to be
• 46:34
  somewhere around time to take off, somewhere between like .6
• 46:38
  to .7, somewhere in there. I like counter room and death
• 46:41
  between like 9 and 12. And that's what we're going to
• 46:44
  start to work on early. Sometimes I'll look at breaking
• 46:46
  RFD early. It's kind of like a
• 46:48
  controversial 1, I think, because it's easy to manipulate
• 46:52
  based on how they're moving. But we'll look at that one
• 46:54
  quick. And for that one, usually a lot
• 46:56
  of our athletes like early on, I like to have them at like 10,000
• 46:59
  and then before they're going into college above 20,000.
• 47:02
  So they're just, they're, it's not, I'm just looking at is that
• 47:04
  number going up? And then on average, I liked it
• 47:07
  to be above 10 and I like before I go to college above 20.
• 47:10
  So yes, simple things like that where again, the system is
• 47:13
  repeatable. I think sometimes like when I
• 47:16
  look at College of pros, they go so in depth.
• 47:18
  And I think that's one of the problems people get scared of
• 47:20
  force plates is they're like, well, I don't have a sports
• 47:22
  scientist, I don't have a team I don't have.
• 47:25
  And it's not. It's more getting reliable data
• 47:28
  that you can look at when you're not training athletes to give
• 47:32
  checks and balances to the system that you're actually
• 47:35
  running. And is it actually working?
• 47:36
  You should see a bunch of green arrows most of the time,
• 47:39
  especially in developing athletes.
• 47:41
  When you talk about that with a lot of the athletes struggling
• 47:44
  with the unweighted and the breaking and you're training.
• 47:47
  So when you see that in your training, how are you attacking
• 47:50
  that to get those changes you're talking about that then impact
• 47:52
  kind of the whole the whole? Yeah, So I just everything we
• 47:56
  do, I keep going back. Everything we do is based on the
• 47:59
  system. Like I know you talked to Blair,
• 48:00
  he sent some guys down here and we, I gave them my entire
• 48:04
  system. I call it a tier system, but
• 48:06
  breaking as simple as I'll give you my first 3 tier breakdown
• 48:11
  of, of breaking number one. We start with the first block.
• 48:15
  We basically start with dumbbell snap downs and then we go into
• 48:19
  dumbbell or then we go into seated jumps and then we'll go
• 48:22
  into a Med ball cake toss. So my thought process behind
• 48:27
  that and why I do it is #1 the dumbbell snap downs are teaching
• 48:30
  that on weight and break. Most kids when they first do it
• 48:33
  have no idea what is going on. They have no idea how to do it.
• 48:37
  They have no idea how to pull themselves in the ground.
• 48:39
  So all of our systems, all of our blocks run four to six
• 48:42
  weeks. The first week is learn, the
• 48:44
  second week is you should be decent at it and then the weeks
• 48:48
  after that are intensified slash get proficient at it type of
• 48:52
  weeks. So learning how to do it and
• 48:54
  they're always loaded. They're heavier than people
• 48:55
  usually think they are. We start most kids around like
• 48:58
  2025 lbs Up on the toe is a little shrug at the top, snap
• 49:01
  and be aggressive going in the ground, put your brakes on E
• 49:03
  brake. Then we go into the seated junk,
• 49:05
  which is we're basically taking out that counter movement action
• 49:08
  and we're just trying to get like that rate of force on me
• 49:10
  and push to the ground. And this is based on our
• 49:13
  acceleration day. So again, we match that with our
• 49:15
  speed today, today, which is going to be acceleration, which
• 49:18
  has longer ground contact times, more time on the ground.
• 49:21
  And that's again why it goes together.
• 49:23
  And then I usually do some type of cake toss because now I'm
• 49:25
  trying to put it all together. So it's like a 4 LB mid ball.
• 49:28
  We're going to start a hive. We're going to give this the mid
• 49:30
  ball snap down and then we're going to redirect that and throw
• 49:33
  it vertically in the air. So we're kind of sequencing and
• 49:35
  breaking up the jump as one. We're just doing the unweighting
• 49:38
  and breaking. Then we're doing just a
• 49:40
  repulsive and then we're trying to put them both together with
• 49:42
  the cake toss. And then we'll progress the the
• 49:45
  SAP down with load and we'll and then we'll change the
• 49:49
  positioning. So instead of a bilateral snap
• 49:51
  down, we'll go to like a split squash snap down.
• 49:54
  And then we'll go into drop landings from a free relative
• 49:58
  height, like a pretty high height.
• 49:59
  The seated jumps will turn into like seated box jumps and then
• 50:03
  we'll turn those into seated like a low box jump pipe.
• 50:07
  So just seated and then jumping as high as you can and then just
• 50:10
  landing on like a, you know, 12 inch box and really displacing
• 50:13
  the hips in the air virtually nice.
• 50:15
  Because a box, the reality for box jump is just decreasing
• 50:18
  eccentric landing forces. I could get way more volume that
• 50:20
  way. And then the cake toss will turn
• 50:23
  into more of like a lighter low dumbbell snap down jump, which
• 50:27
  will then turn into a repeat counter movement jump with
• 50:30
  weight. So that's like 12 weeks right
• 50:33
  there of basically kind of our start.
• 50:36
  I put them in a plow block and then people go crazy for me,
• 50:38
  they're like, oh, so plow. And I'm like, all right, man,
• 50:40
  it's a jump, whatever you want to call it.
• 50:42
  And I'm like the powers and movement, I just put in a plow.
• 50:45
  But like that's our first section.
• 50:46
  And like I said, then we would go into like our accelerations
• 50:48
  bounding and all that kind of stuff.
• 50:50
  So like that alone right there. Like this kid that just appeared
• 50:53
  like went crazy yesterday. That's all he's done for 12
• 50:56
  weeks and his numbers have just skyrocketed.
• 51:00
  I think one of the problems is I was just talking to one of
• 51:02
  players guys about this the other day.
• 51:03
  So many people love to focus on the propulsive aspect because
• 51:06
  the exercises are cooler. It looks cooler doing a hurdle
• 51:09
  jump. It looks cooler doing super band
• 51:11
  jumps. It looks cooler doing all this
• 51:12
  stuff. I think most kids high school
• 51:14
  and definitely youth, most of my high school kids don't have
• 51:18
  enough braking and decelerative actions and they're not strong
• 51:21
  enough that we, we, we live in that zone for like a very long
• 51:24
  time. We also have a third day, which
• 51:26
  is our Max velocity day, which is going to be more Plio based
• 51:29
  and more of that kind of speed jumping base.
• 51:31
  But I think too many people just do jumping like just pliers,
• 51:34
  true pliers, which are great, but like players guys, for
• 51:38
  example, we had the same conversation.
• 51:39
  I went through my thought process.
• 51:41
  He changed his program for like I think he said four to six
• 51:44
  weeks. I think you PR by like 4 inches.
• 51:47
  Like you got to give the body what it needs.
• 51:49
  And that's why I use the plates because as soon as I see a kid
• 51:52
  plateau or I see a kid drop, if it wasn't because of a workload
• 51:56
  fight or a fatigue or whatever, that's when I start to change
• 52:00
  program because I know that we've kind of filled that cup.
• 52:03
  But if they jump and they're and they go crazy and then after the
• 52:06
  first four weeks, we jump every single week.
• 52:08
  Most of our kids just like PRPRPRPRPRPRP.
• 52:11
  I'm just going to keep riding it because you're just, you're
• 52:14
  still getting so much out of it. Once I see the plateau and we
• 52:18
  flip and remove, yeah. And then all of a sudden you get
• 52:20
  back on track. Yeah, you know, I was listening
• 52:22
  this week to a podcast you've done with with Drake from
• 52:24
  Hawkins and y'all were talking about, you know, at the end kind
• 52:27
  of the use of force plates from a business perspective even.
• 52:30
  Obviously it's going to help you get better results and, you
• 52:33
  know, drive business that way. But how how have you seen it
• 52:36
  impact your business just from having that kind of tech then
• 52:39
  being, you know, kind of an attractive thing to to people
• 52:41
  and parents. But also, yeah, we're talking
• 52:43
  about some ideas like, OK, you know, go to a club tournament
• 52:46
  and then post up there and get people free jumps and assess or
• 52:49
  like go, you know, partner with PTS or, you know, go to, you
• 52:52
  know, clubs and then you do a free stuff for their people.
• 52:54
  Like, have you done things like that that have drawn value to
• 52:58
  your business through the use of those?
• 53:00
  So I have. 22 for that number one, I probably don't do a good
• 53:05
  enough job advertising my plates and what I actually do with them
• 53:08
  and whatever. But every athlete that I have
• 53:11
  coming for my e-mail goes through it.
• 53:13
  And like I said, we have that window of time where we talk at
• 53:16
  the end and I have it set up on my computer and we run through
• 53:19
  everything. What I'm looking at, why I'm
• 53:20
  looking at it, all these things. And most of the times parents,
• 53:23
  athletes, jaws are on the ground.
• 53:25
  They're like holy moly, like I had no idea what this is.
• 53:28
  So it's that quality of care and that's where I did my the most
• 53:33
  successful thing about me is client retention, not
• 53:36
  technically new clients. When I get clients, I usually
• 53:39
  get them until they go to college.
• 53:40
  And that's how I operate. That's how I try to work.
• 53:42
  And so I think that's where that is.
• 53:45
  It's like when you get a new client and you take them through
• 53:47
  our evaluation and it's the places where we run basically
• 53:50
  everything we do Outlook and then they train and then you
• 53:52
  give them the checks and balances every week or every
• 53:55
  month. They're like, damn, my kid is
• 53:57
  actually really improving and I really care.
• 54:00
  And so that's like, you know that that goes into there number
• 54:03
  2. So to answer that part is like,
• 54:07
  I probably don't do a good enough job advertising them.
• 54:09
  So where I don't think it really effects like my business, I
• 54:12
  think more of my results for athletes locally effects my
• 54:15
  business more. But when they come at a door and
• 54:18
  they see that what I actually do, they're like, Oh, this is
• 54:21
  actually high level. This isn't just random whatever.
• 54:24
  The best part is when I get clients from other gyms and then
• 54:26
  they're like, it's like an instant, like oh man, you do
• 54:29
  things on a whole nother level. Being what I'm used to #2 I
• 54:33
  talked to Drake a lot about this.
• 54:35
  I think the power is in the data.
• 54:37
  So what you talked about, like going to club tournaments, going
• 54:40
  to whatever, the more people that you can get to jump on your
• 54:43
  plates and save in your software, the more data that you
• 54:46
  have in your community. The number one question that
• 54:48
  everybody asks is, is that good? OK, well I could start to
• 54:52
  create. That's what I was talking about
• 54:53
  early and that's why I'm starting to do it now because I
• 54:54
  think I have over like 10,000 tests now on my plates where you
• 54:59
  could get now start to classify athletes compared to other
• 55:05
  athletes. So you could take every athlete
• 55:07
  on your plates that has gone D1 and you can start to get you
• 55:10
  know, numbers like you know, breaking RFD.
• 55:12
  Like I talked to Ramsey Nitrogen at Kansas, all their high minute
• 55:16
  guys are 2020 thousand plus on breaking RFD.
• 55:19
  That's just a correlation. Like everyone that's a high
• 55:21
  minute guy they got 20,000 plus. So you can start to create this
• 55:24
  correlations across the board of like what metrics do they
• 55:27
  actually have to then classified athletes on physical qualities.
• 55:32
  I always go back to that because I'm not a skill coach.
• 55:34
  I don't do sports specific training is your physical
• 55:37
  qualities are lacking. That's where my entry point now
• 55:40
  is to be able to say that. And so you know, I have a decent
• 55:44
  amount of clients that I train on a daily basis, but going like
• 55:46
  I trained to venture high school football, the whole program, 100
• 55:49
  kids, we jump tested every single one.
• 55:51
  So that instance, 100 more athletes and data points that I
• 55:55
  could start to filter into my system.
• 55:57
  So the more you could do that, you could really start to build
• 55:59
  that database. And I think data, the data
• 56:02
  itself is the king of what it is.
• 56:04
  And like, so you could do that for, you know, that's that's how
• 56:07
  I would say you can market it because you go you go to a few
• 56:09
  club tournaments for basketball, you get thousands of kids to
• 56:12
  jump. That's where, you know, that's
• 56:14
  where all of a sudden your value is because you can start to
• 56:16
  create correlations and say, Hey, you know that that kid you
• 56:19
  were talking about earlier, like, hey, comparing you to 2000
• 56:22
  basketball players, you are in the 5th percentile.
• 56:25
  You need to get stronger and more athletic.
• 56:27
  Like it's that simple. Now it's like, I'm not lying to
• 56:29
  you. The plates don't lie.
• 56:30
  Here's all your numbers here, you compared to everybody else,
• 56:33
  you know what I mean? And that's it's also the flip
• 56:35
  side. It's like some athletes are on
• 56:36
  the in the 8th percentile. And so it's like, you know, it's
• 56:39
  again, what, where are we at? Where are we going?
• 56:41
  All those, you know, kind of questions like my, my Oregon
• 56:43
  linebacker was, according to them, he was like top of the
• 56:47
  list when he walked into Oregon this awesome.
• 56:50
  That's awesome. And so like, that's that's what
• 56:52
  I do. And so like the other part is
• 56:54
  that's what I do for recruiting now, like coaches that call me
• 56:56
  like the GM of UFC just called me the other day for football.
• 57:00
  They asked if a kids athletic, I will send them a report and say,
• 57:03
  give this to your sports sciences.
• 57:04
  Obviously ask the kid first. But like, I'm so over coaches
• 57:07
  asking me what is their swat run one red Max?
• 57:10
  What is their dash? I'm like here, this is his MPH,
• 57:14
  this is his sports play data. This is the training that we do.
• 57:17
  Make your decision from there because every every college and
• 57:20
  professional team is using them so they understand what they
• 57:22
  actually. Are that's super valuable.
• 57:24
  You don't want to shift gears a little bit from the train side
• 57:27
  and kind of think to win. OK, rerun into when you were
• 57:30
  first leaving your business going full time with John.
• 57:34
  You know from listen that that that happened really quick and
• 57:37
  you had just had your daughter. I was and then it was just this
• 57:40
  happened. You're away from your family a
• 57:41
  lot of that time and then the initial stages.
• 57:44
  Could you walk through that decision?
• 57:45
  Especially like, you know, coaches that are thinking about
• 57:47
  certain, certain decisions where you have to make those
• 57:49
  sacrifices and kind of what goes into OK, you know, I'm these
• 57:53
  there's going to be some sacrifice for a period of time,
• 57:55
  but like, OK, how long this going to happen?
• 57:58
  What has to to be in place for this to be worth it to make
• 58:00
  those decisions and just kind of, you know, walking through
• 58:03
  that decision a little bit. When I look back and now John's,
• 58:06
  my brother, I talked to him all the time.
• 58:08
  He's like my he's like family. I lived in his house.
• 58:11
  I don't know how to really say it.
• 58:12
  My I couldn't have done it without my wife.
• 58:15
  She's like my rock by far. She knew that was always my
• 58:20
  goal. And if you know me, I'm pretty
• 58:23
  stubborn and I'm pretty hard headed and I like kind of want
• 58:26
  to just go after things. And again, it was kind of this
• 58:29
  like proof, I guess that like what I do is valuable.
• 58:35
  I think a lot of young coaches struggle with that of like, you
• 58:39
  know, I see all these other people on social media like
• 58:41
  follow all these things and it's like, well, am I even good at
• 58:44
  this? You know, you start to have all
• 58:45
  these questions and so the train John once and it was a three
• 58:50
  court warm up. It wasn't even a training
• 58:51
  session. And he hired me on the spot
• 58:54
  after that, which then in 24 hours time I left on the road,
• 59:01
  left my business behind and everything.
• 59:03
  So when it comes to how I thought about it, I didn't
• 59:05
  really think about it because the reality is my whole family
• 59:09
  was going to move with me to Houston when he was in Houston.
• 59:13
  Then the whole drama happened where he didn't play in Houston.
• 59:16
  And if anybody knows the NBA, a trade could technically happen
• 59:19
  at any time. And I'm is now head of
• 59:21
  performance. So I would be on the plane
• 59:24
  wherever he went to, meaning that my family, he knows nobody
• 59:27
  in Houston, would be in Houston and now have to move again or
• 59:31
  back home or so. That's where it started to be
• 59:34
  very, very hard and very challenging.
• 59:36
  So now when I think back and walk through it, I I've talked
• 59:40
  to coaches that are in these situations and PTS and people
• 59:43
  that knows that I've done it, that call me for advice.
• 59:46
  I just tell a lot of times it's like you just really have to
• 59:48
  make sure that it makes the most sense.
• 59:51
  Working with professional athletes isn't always as pretty
• 59:54
  as people think it is. So you really have to just
• 59:57
  understand that. And is it a sacrifice you're
• 59:59
  willing to make? I think in this industry, you
• 1:00:01
  have to make sacrifices. I made a post.
• 1:00:04
  Probably like a month or two ago to some of my stories talking
• 1:00:07
  about young strength coaches. That drives me crazy.
• 1:00:09
  How many young strength coaches want like $150.00 an hour?
• 1:00:13
  And I'm like, what have you done in this industry?
• 1:00:15
  So you graduated from college greater with a degree, but like
• 1:00:18
  you've never even worked with an athlete you have no backing of
• 1:00:22
  like how to even make someone like everything you learned in
• 1:00:25
  college? Every other classmate across the
• 1:00:27
  nation has that same education technique.
• 1:00:29
  So there's nothing that makes you $150.00 worth.
• 1:00:33
  I point to him. A lot of times it's like there's
• 1:00:35
  this loss of work ethic in my opinion, which I now sound like
• 1:00:39
  the old guy, but it's the ability just to work and to
• 1:00:44
  learn. That's my that's sacrifice.
• 1:00:46
  Like can I show up to a job where I'm making 20 bucks an
• 1:00:49
  hour and outwork the owner, outwork the top trainer,
• 1:00:53
  whatever it is, and can I learn at a really fast rate?
• 1:00:56
  That's number one to me. That's the entry level to any
• 1:01:00
  job in the world technically. But that takes a lot of
• 1:01:01
  sacrifice. And then I would say number 2 is
• 1:01:04
  then can you add value? So can you try to ask the coach
• 1:01:08
  or the owner or they've had performance like can I start to
• 1:01:11
  do some programming for say the youth kids?
• 1:01:13
  Great. Because what does that do that
• 1:01:14
  helps the owner have less time to have more time to do other
• 1:01:17
  things for the business. So you're adding value.
• 1:01:20
  So now you've added value, which then would mean that you would
• 1:01:23
  make more money. Then the third part, I always
• 1:01:25
  tell young trainers, it's like, then you have to be consistent.
• 1:01:28
  I've been doing this for 12 years.
• 1:01:29
  I've worked 15 hours a day almost for 12 years straighter.
• 1:01:31
  I 2 1/2 years ago as I was on the read it full time.
• 1:01:34
  You can't just do it for a year, get to where you want to get to
• 1:01:37
  and then stop and just be like, I'm good.
• 1:01:40
  Like you stop working hard, you stop adding value and then all
• 1:01:42
  of a sudden you get fired, you get let go.
• 1:01:44
  And so I think there's, there's sacrifice in everything that we
• 1:01:46
  do. I mean, there's sacrifice in my
• 1:01:47
  daily life now. Like I see there's there's
• 1:01:50
  three, two or three days a week, almost every week where I don't
• 1:01:53
  get to see my daughter because she goes to school.
• 1:01:55
  Now my break is when she's in school and I get home at 9:00 at
• 1:01:58
  night. I've been doing this for 12
• 1:01:59
  years. There's still always going to be
• 1:02:02
  sacrifice. You have to, if you want to be
• 1:02:04
  successful in this field, you have to be willing to make
• 1:02:07
  sacrifices. And it's across the board.
• 1:02:08
  And if you talk to billionaires, millionaires, such people you're
• 1:02:11
  around, everyone's doing that. You're not like you know, it's
• 1:02:14
  but nowadays, you know, everyone sees the social media stuff and
• 1:02:18
  they want to you know, like I said, if I share you the DMSI
• 1:02:21
  have the kids that want $100.00 an hour and I'm like, man, I
• 1:02:25
  just, I don't, I made my first year training, I made $28,000
• 1:02:29
  like and I work 12 hours a day like like you know, it's like I
• 1:02:33
  don't. It is what it is.
• 1:02:34
  But if you want to come in and work extremely hard, add value
• 1:02:38
  and be consistent, I will then pay you what's your worth.
• 1:02:41
  But you have to prove that first.
• 1:02:43
  No, no, definitely a lot of wisdom there.
• 1:02:46
  John Wall retires. Obviously you're not a spot
• 1:02:49
  where you can then just retire. You're still working.
• 1:02:51
  Like when that happens, what's, what's your thought process and
• 1:02:54
  then kind of your steps, what when that happens to get back
• 1:02:57
  into, you know, we're in the facility and just everything
• 1:02:59
  there. So John is my again.
• 1:03:01
  I always said he's like my brother.
• 1:03:03
  I was very fortunate that he gave me AI, don't know what you
• 1:03:06
  actually call it, but he paid me for a certain amount of time
• 1:03:09
  after he retired or after he got cut.
• 1:03:12
  Technically didn't retire right away, which was very nice.
• 1:03:14
  It allowed me some time to spend with my family, kind of figure
• 1:03:17
  out what I wanted to do. I ended up getting hired at
• 1:03:20
  Saint Bonaventure, the high school locally to run their
• 1:03:22
  football and basketball program. I took that and I wasn't working
• 1:03:25
  at the gym at all during this time.
• 1:03:26
  And then, you know, I got then it was like, OK, now I need to
• 1:03:31
  actually start working again. So then I came back in the gym
• 1:03:33
  and and that's where I tell people like working at pros is
• 1:03:36
  and all like it's not everything.
• 1:03:37
  Like I thought in my head when I was started with John was like,
• 1:03:40
  I'm going to work for John and it's going to build my
• 1:03:43
  credibility even more. People are going to everyone's
• 1:03:45
  me flooding in my facility when I get back home.
• 1:03:47
  That didn't happen. It took me when I got back home.
• 1:03:49
  I started back at 0. So when I left with John, I gave
• 1:03:53
  my entire clientele to two guys that were in my facility renting
• 1:03:57
  space. I said, do what you want with
• 1:03:58
  it. I had basically my head said I
• 1:04:01
  lost my my business, like I gave it away to other people.
• 1:04:04
  It is what it is. So when I came back home, I
• 1:04:07
  started back at zero. I had zero clients.
• 1:04:10
  I did not ask for any of my clients back from the guys that
• 1:04:13
  were here. And I started back at 0 and it
• 1:04:15
  took me probably a good six months before I actually felt
• 1:04:21
  like, OK, I'm kind of busy again.
• 1:04:24
  And then since that point, it's been just going very, very well.
• 1:04:29
  It's been, you know, we've been, I've been super, super busy.
• 1:04:32
  I was fortunate enough at the time to get, you know, the,
• 1:04:34
  again, the local high school, we have really good soccer out
• 1:04:37
  here. So some of my soccer girls.
• 1:04:39
  And then I got my, my linebacker who's at Oregon right now, who
• 1:04:43
  was one of the first guys that kind of came to me after I kind
• 1:04:46
  of fully got back and he fully bought into everything that I
• 1:04:49
  was doing. And that drove a ton of
• 1:04:51
  football, obviously. And just kind of naturally girl,
• 1:04:53
  I always tell people like it's results speak for themselves.
• 1:04:56
  I do not ask any of my clients to ever come to my facility.
• 1:05:00
  I don't even have a schedule. I don't even have an address on
• 1:05:02
  my gym. You cannot find my gym unless
• 1:05:04
  you know who I am. So all I care about is the
• 1:05:07
  success of my athletes. That is it.
• 1:05:10
  It's it nothing else of that. And I truly believe that is why
• 1:05:13
  I've been successful is that people feel that it's genuine.
• 1:05:16
  I go above and beyond for every single one of my athletes.
• 1:05:19
  And then they just go tell other people.
• 1:05:21
  And that's that's kind of how things started to grow and
• 1:05:23
  continue to grow. And I just keep showing up every
• 1:05:26
  day and keep doing the same thing.
• 1:05:27
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:05:28
  Last question I have for you. Special guest questions.
• 1:05:31
  So we set this up. I was like, you know, it'd be
• 1:05:33
  cool if I reached out to the guy, one of your former clients,
• 1:05:37
  Paul Heapler. You know, people know him as the
• 1:05:38
  Horns Down guy, but he he he sent in a guest question for you
• 1:05:44
  here. So he said, Jared, statistically
• 1:05:46
  most of the players you coach aren't going to GoPro.
• 1:05:49
  What does a successful life after college sports look like
• 1:05:51
  to you for the athletes you've trained?
• 1:05:53
  A smart kid, man, you ask good questions.
• 1:05:55
  I mean I I am a my life is my wife, my two kids and my
• 1:06:01
  business. I live a very simple, simple
• 1:06:04
  life. I work so much my, my, my free
• 1:06:08
  time is with my family. I think obviously everyone is
• 1:06:11
  different and #1 is happiness. I think a lot of athletes hatch
• 1:06:16
  themselves to their sport and their happiness and their
• 1:06:19
  success comes from success of that sport.
• 1:06:21
  Hoping you talk about this a lot.
• 1:06:22
  I was the same way when I played in college.
• 1:06:24
  I had my broken foot. I went through really, really
• 1:06:26
  deep depression. Three months after I hurt my
• 1:06:28
  foot and my career was over, I kind of thought there's no more
• 1:06:31
  point in life. And one of my good friends, we
• 1:06:34
  kind of lost touch of recently and stuff because life gets
• 1:06:37
  busy, but he kind of showed me the whole other side of life
• 1:06:41
  itself. It's a beautiful thing.
• 1:06:43
  It's an amazing thing. And I think that's simply kind
• 1:06:46
  of how I want you guys to come in here to be.
• 1:06:49
  I mean, I think a lot of coaches talk about, you know, trying to
• 1:06:51
  raise young men or women, not just athletes.
• 1:06:55
  And I think that's one of the real special parts about here.
• 1:06:57
  Like a kid like Paul. I think I've trained Paul since
• 1:06:59
  he was in like 7th grade and he stopped by a couple months ago.
• 1:07:03
  Like I really try to make this a community.
• 1:07:06
  Honestly, it's really from the bottom of my heart, love and
• 1:07:09
  care and appreciate every single athlete that walks into my
• 1:07:12
  facility and they can feel that and it's genuine and I want them
• 1:07:16
  to understand that they can also have have that in your life
• 1:07:21
  sports. I always ask my clients like
• 1:07:23
  what do you do on the side of your sport and try to get to
• 1:07:26
  know them better. How's your family?
• 1:07:27
  All these kinds of things. But it's fine as far as me
• 1:07:30
  because like I always would say that like you find love and I,
• 1:07:34
  you know, as a guy that people always talk about that.
• 1:07:36
  But like my wife's my absolute best friend, love of my life,
• 1:07:39
  and she does and she's the best. So finding a love beyond have
• 1:07:42
  kids and be a father and what that feels like finding a job or
• 1:07:47
  a passion that provides for your family that you actually like
• 1:07:50
  almost as much as you liked your sport, that you're actually
• 1:07:53
  passionate about it and not just doing something just because you
• 1:07:56
  have to do it, but really try to do that, you know, and they
• 1:07:59
  continue to live a beautiful life and, and be happy as you
• 1:08:02
  possibly be, because I think that's, that's kind of what it's
• 1:08:05
  all about at the end of the days.
• 1:08:06
  I, I'm very fortunate. Like one of my outside goals
• 1:08:09
  that I always talk about is like my wife is able to be a stay at
• 1:08:11
  home law. And that's always been something
• 1:08:13
  super prideful about how she like, I don't know the right
• 1:08:17
  word for it is for like, I want my wife to raise my kids, which
• 1:08:20
  I'm not saying that's wrong for anyone that does, you know, baby
• 1:08:23
  Sears and nannies and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:08:25
  That's it. But like me and my wife always
• 1:08:27
  talk about like, I really want to work as far as I possibly can
• 1:08:30
  and sacrifice whatever I have to do that my kids will be raised
• 1:08:34
  by my wife on a daily basis. And we've been fortunate enough
• 1:08:38
  to be able to do it. That's again, of care and
• 1:08:40
  appreciation for all my clients because the reality is they're
• 1:08:42
  the ones that make that happen. And so I gave that back to them
• 1:08:45
  what every time that they're in here.
• 1:08:47
  And I hope they can just feel that and I'm a person that they
• 1:08:50
  want to be around and they could, you know, learn from and
• 1:08:54
  grow from and see, I have a guy. This is the last of the right.
• 1:08:58
  I have like I have clients that have reached out to me at times
• 1:09:01
  of deep depression. I'm fortunate enough that I've
• 1:09:05
  been three of those types of things in my life.
• 1:09:08
  So I can have conversations with them about my own experience and
• 1:09:11
  help them through it in any way that I possibly can.
• 1:09:15
  And I'm an open book. I talk through everything if you
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  want to talk about. And all of my clients forever
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  have a community right here in my facility.
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  They can come and do come here whenever they want.
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  I have a guy that's trying to meet for 15 years and that's,
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  you know, that's the most important.
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  Part now that's incredible you know I love the quote from Ed
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  Mylett, but he talks about how you are most uniquely qualified
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  to help the person you used to be.
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  So that's really cool that you get a have that impact and from
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  that experience. But man, that that was an
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  awesome way to cap off the conversation.
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  Man, there's been awesome. So much value in here.
• 1:09:47
  As you know, I've taken so much from it and a lot of people too.
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  Jade, if people wanted to check out more of, you know, what
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  you're doing in training business, where should they go?
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  Just my Instagram. I pretty much just have
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  Instagram. So Lynn Tree has a little
• 1:09:58
  website on it. Not the best website.
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  I'm going to put that out there. We just really, really, I, I
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  just started the website like 6 months ago and it's really just
• 1:10:05
  a place for people to inquire, which has helped us a little
• 1:10:08
  bit. But most of my stuff's on
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  Instagram or all my stuff's on Instagram and I always tell
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  people have end of these. I'm an open book young trainers.
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  If you listen to this and you want to have a conversation, DM
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  me. I always tell people, every
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  coach always tells you the number one thing you should do
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  is find a mentor. Not a lot of coaches mentor.
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  I do my absolute best to try to respond to every single person
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  because before I started with John, I got a lot of left on
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  Reds. After I got John, I got a lot of
• 1:10:37
  conversations and I've always just kind of been a little petty
• 1:10:40
  when it comes to that. Like I talk to young coaches all
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  the time. I always try to make time.
• 1:10:44
  I always try to answer questions because I was in your shoes 8-9
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  years ago and I think it's silly to me that coaches always say
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  find a mentor, find a mentor and then they try to find a mentor
• 1:10:54
  and nobody wants to help them out.
• 1:10:56
  Any young coach or anyone that listens to us and wants to have
• 1:10:58
  a deeper conversation I Instagram DMS are always open to
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  have those conversations. I love that man.
• 1:11:03
  This is great Jake. Appreciate you coming on here.
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