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#1590 The Accidental Career - Harps & Tiff · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a two. It's HAPs A's Stiffney hang book.
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Speaker 1: It's a Sunday in Melbourne, thriving in Tropolis. It's fucking balmire.
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Speaker 1: I just looked at the temperature. It's rocked up to
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Speaker 1: fourteen degrees. I've taken off two of my coats. I'm
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Speaker 1: just down to ug boots and my jocks and it's
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Speaker 1: which is a good thing. We don't do the visual,
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Speaker 1: just the audio now, all still in a societ. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking out the window between the bamboo it's sunny, Tiff,
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Speaker 1: it's sunny, and.
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Speaker 2: The car before to come back here and do this podcast,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my goodness, and you know what,
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Speaker 2: I get seasonal effective disorder big time.
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Speaker 1: And tell people what that is.
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Speaker 2: Seasonal effective disorder is just a fancy way of saying
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Speaker 2: the winter blues, but it's a thing and some people
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Speaker 2: really suffer from it. In fact, my client this morning
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Speaker 2: said that he one of his friends, a psychologist, is
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Speaker 2: doing a PhD in seasonal effective disorder.
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Speaker 1: Well, I might have said to you ten years ago, yeah,
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Speaker 1: jog it out because I was an insensitive But anyway,
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Speaker 1: but these days I'm kind of I don't have that,
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Speaker 1: but I definitely have changed my tune like I used
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, I mean, I still am an idiot.
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Speaker 1: I'll still go run in the cold and the rain
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Speaker 1: and all of that, but I will say I'm looking
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Speaker 1: forward to summer. And I used to like people who
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Speaker 1: would winge about winter. I'd be like, harden up, princess,
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Speaker 1: i'man jogged out You be fine. You don't have cancer,
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Speaker 1: you don't have a tumor. Shut the fuck up. But
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of coming around. So maybe I'm becoming more passionate.
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Speaker 1: But more likely I'm just becoming softer.
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Speaker 2: It might be that PhD in self awareness you're doing that.
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Speaker 1: It could be that. It could be that it could
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Speaker 1: be you and I were chatting about a very interesting
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Speaker 1: topic just before we went live, and I thought I
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Speaker 1: would love to talk about I mean that I just
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Speaker 1: find it interesting. Now let's just preface this. Of course
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Speaker 1: we're not going to say who, but somebody that you
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Speaker 1: and I know has had to have some breast surgery,
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Speaker 1: need to get a couple of things, a little I
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Speaker 1: think benign tumors or whatever lumps removed, and while she's
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Speaker 1: there is getting a little bit of enhancement. And I
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Speaker 1: said to you because you were saying you had to
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Speaker 1: have a screen the other day, because you're got to
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Speaker 1: know what are you doing? You're doing some hormony thing.
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Speaker 1: I should pay more attention. What are you doing.
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Speaker 2: I'm having a tinker in the perimenopausal pool at the moment.
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Speaker 2: So we're looking at maybe doing some hormone therapy, and
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Speaker 2: you know, all of the things, all the fun stuff.
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Speaker 1: And I and you said, I don't think I would
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Speaker 1: do that, which is no judgment, and it's just a
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Speaker 1: personal preference. And I don't know if I would, like
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Speaker 1: if I was a female, if I would do that either,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I just I think
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Speaker 1: probably not, Like I understand, I understand why people wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: I understand why people wouldn't. Why are you probably in
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Speaker 1: their no camp? We're talking about getting a in colloquial terms,
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Speaker 1: a boob job, Like why are you probably in the
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Speaker 1: no camp?
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Speaker 2: I think? And I'm probably more a lot more in
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Speaker 2: the no camp now than maybe when I was younger.
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Speaker 2: Although I've always been a bit opposed, like I've always
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Speaker 2: had I've been relatively flat chested, so when we do
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Speaker 2: good peck workouts, it's a win for me, and let's
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Speaker 2: be honest, new boobs, I wouldn't be able to see
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Speaker 2: that as much because they will be covered up with
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Speaker 2: new boobs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I don't know. It's like I don't
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's different now. I don't pay
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Speaker 1: any attention to me everyone with this because I don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about it. But they don't use what silicon anymore?
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Speaker 1: They use saline or do they use some of your
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Speaker 1: own tissue or body fat?
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually have no idea myself.
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Speaker 1: We have two worse people talking about this than you
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Speaker 1: and me, the fucking bloke who knows nothing and the
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Speaker 1: girl who doesn't want them.
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Speaker 2: But what I do know, there's a lot of I've
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Speaker 2: seen a lot of women having them taken out and
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Speaker 2: they can have bad experience. It's quite bad experiences for
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Speaker 2: your health. And by the way, don't they I believe
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Speaker 2: on the last ten years or something, we don't have
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Speaker 2: to get them replaced anyway. But for me, I would
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Speaker 2: say a big part of my personal reason and I
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Speaker 2: don't this is one of those things where you don't
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Speaker 2: judge other people the same way you judge yourself. But
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to look at the having a
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Speaker 2: sexualized version of my I would feel like a very
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Speaker 2: sexualized version of myself, and given my background, that would
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Speaker 2: I would not feel good about that, so it wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be I would love dresses too. I would love to
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Speaker 2: be able to borrow some when I have to frock
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Speaker 2: up once every two or three decades. But that's all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that I was talking to somebody, and
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Speaker 1: not this lady we're talking about, but somebody a bit
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Speaker 1: a going. And she said to me, like, it's all
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Speaker 1: just about for her, it's just about self esteem and
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Speaker 1: just feeling a bit better. And I went, I get it,
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Speaker 1: I get it. There's no it's like there's no right
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Speaker 1: or wrong. There's no for me, like there's no judgment,
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Speaker 1: there's just curiosity. It's like I had a friend of mine,
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Speaker 1: how do I don't want to get anyone. I don't
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Speaker 1: want anyone to figure out who this is a guy
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Speaker 1: or girl? And he or she was a was attractive
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Speaker 1: that we would say that except they had a honker,
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, had a fucking a nose like me, right,
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Speaker 1: they got a nose job, and honestly, the change and
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Speaker 1: they went from like really self conscious embarrassed and to like,
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Speaker 1: I just saw their confidence sore and they were. Of course,
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Speaker 1: this is not the meaning of life having fucking cosmetic surgery,
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Speaker 1: of course, but in that case I looked at that.
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Speaker 1: When that's on all levels emotionally, psychologically, sociologically, physically, cosmetically,
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Speaker 1: I go, that's a good outcome, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, if I had the money and
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Speaker 2: it's and one day when I do, I would like
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Speaker 2: to get my upper and lower eyelids surgically done because
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Speaker 2: I have bags under my eyes and too much fat
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Speaker 2: on top of my eyelids and it bothers me right
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Speaker 2: because I'm in front of mirrors all the time and
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Speaker 2: I look tired and exhausted, and it sounds really superficial.
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Speaker 2: But you know, so I wouldn't get boobs, but I'd
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Speaker 2: get my eyes done right one day. I'd like to,
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Speaker 2: so kind of on the semi to do list.
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Speaker 1: Well, you think about the the way that we kind
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Speaker 1: of are critical of, Like if somebody wants to wear
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Speaker 1: all the makeup and put on guy or girl, put
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Speaker 1: on the best outfit, be that a suit, be that shirts,
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Speaker 1: a shirt and jeans or a dress or whatever. Somebody
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Speaker 1: wants to look great, so they go and buy all
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Speaker 1: this stuff to look like Nobody buys clothes that they
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Speaker 1: think will make them look worse. Why are you getting that?
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Speaker 1: I want to look like shit? Right, everybody wants to
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Speaker 1: look good. But we seem to have these, you know,
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Speaker 1: personal lines that we draw about what's okay and what's
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Speaker 1: over the top and what's not okay. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I think if I was going to I probably wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: But I'm about a ten percent chance, but probably nine
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Speaker 1: percent not. You know what I'm going to say, don't
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Speaker 1: you What am I going to say?
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Speaker 2: Are you going to say?
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Speaker 1: Oh? What are you saying? Why'd you pick that? Why'd
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Speaker 1: you pick that?
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Speaker 2: He was pointing?
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Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Funny stuff?
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Speaker 1: Fuck it? What? That's hurtful? Yeah, well, you know, I
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Speaker 1: mean every time it rains in Hampton four people come
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Speaker 1: and stand under my nose just to keep dry. That's hurtful.
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Speaker 2: Favorite of your jokes because I see that your to
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Speaker 2: per form every time you say it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I will. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: if I could magic, and you knows that was about
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Speaker 1: you know, seventy percent of the current version, although you know,
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Speaker 1: thanks to sweet baby Jesus that my nose works, right,
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Speaker 1: I can sniff, I can smell, So you go, well,
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Speaker 1: it's functional, shut.
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Speaker 2: Up exactly right. When you think about dress for the
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Speaker 2: job you want, not the job you've got, or how
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Speaker 2: much confidence you get from your how you dress. Right,
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Speaker 2: when we have that conversation, it's like it's very clear
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Speaker 2: for everyone, and everyone's on board with that. But when
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Speaker 2: we start to take it to things that get a
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Speaker 2: bit murky around, Oh, we'll let your body you know,
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing though,
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Speaker 2: Like you, if it has an effect on your confidence,
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Speaker 2: then I don't really to a degree you know, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. Is it a problem?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and also like if I want to get
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Speaker 1: a nose job, it doesn't fucking affect anyone else, rightactly,
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Speaker 1: But I.
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Speaker 2: Could guarantee you people that's right.
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Speaker 1: They're going to have to find somewhere else to stay dry.
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Speaker 1: But that boom, See how we can take the piss
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Speaker 1: out of me? What? Yeah, I know I was going
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Speaker 1: to ask a question that I will definitely not ask
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Speaker 1: when you do that. No, No, I can't, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you I can't. I can't. Well, I'll just say this,
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Speaker 1: It's okay to hang shit on me, right because but
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Speaker 1: we couldn't do that, you know. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I don't mind if people make fun of me at all,
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Speaker 1: but I have no intention or desire to do the
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Speaker 1: same to others because I understand. But I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: back to the back to the matter at hand. For me,
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Speaker 1: I'm more interested when in terms of clothes and all
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Speaker 1: of that stuff. As you know, for me, my main
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Speaker 1: priority is comfort and function. Like I mean, obviously it's
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Speaker 1: not my goal to look terrible, but I do everything
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Speaker 1: human like I did, as you know, I did two
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Speaker 1: gigs on one day in two states this week, both
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Speaker 1: corporate gigs, both kind of high level corporate, and in
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Speaker 1: both of them, I wore jeans and a T shirt.
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Speaker 1: And I kind of say to them, if I really
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Speaker 1: don't want to wear anything more formal than that, are
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Speaker 1: you okay with that? And they both said, yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: right with that. Like when I am, when I'm in
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Speaker 1: a suit, i am not comfortable. I'm not comfortable. I'm
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Speaker 1: not myself and I'm not This is not a global thing.
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Speaker 1: This is just a me thing. But I feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm playing a character in a fucking movie or something.
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Speaker 1: When I put on a shirt and tie and suit
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Speaker 1: and black shoes and then I walk up there, I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm pretending to be something because I just
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Speaker 1: never ever ever wear that. Now, I know that's probably
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Speaker 1: just my stuff, but and I understand the context that
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Speaker 1: sometimes it's, you know, a situation dependent you do do that,
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Speaker 1: and if I have do I will. But yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't worry. You know. It's like I
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Speaker 1: shaved my hair off because it's just easy. People go,
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Speaker 1: why do you do that? You look so good with
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Speaker 1: long hair or longer hair.
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Speaker 2: I go, it's just curly locks.
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Speaker 1: I don't care, like I I it's funny, like I
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Speaker 1: care to a point, but not much like if it's
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Speaker 1: out of ten, I care too.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's like like the idea of growing my hair long
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Speaker 1: and having because my hair grows like a motherfucker, but
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Speaker 1: it's just a mess. It looks like a shrub sitting
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Speaker 1: on top of my skin.
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Speaker 2: When I was younger, my parents used to be a
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Speaker 2: if I look back now, a real I was going
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Speaker 2: to say weapon. That's probably a strong word, but a
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Speaker 2: real statement. And what I see in it now was
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Speaker 2: had this real introverted, shy kind of personality and maybe
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Speaker 2: a very intan So I had this this look that
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Speaker 2: made the statement that I didn't have the voice too.
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Speaker 2: So I always talk about voice, talk about voice a lot,
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Speaker 2: and I think that was it because I worked in
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Speaker 2: My first job was in printing design and printing some
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Speaker 2: business cards and stuff. And I remember talking about that
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Speaker 2: once and realizing I had such a passion of it
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Speaker 2: for it because it was the ability to give people
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Speaker 2: and businesses voices that they did that they didn't need
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Speaker 2: to use their voice to portray. So you have this
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Speaker 2: personality and so like I was getting around with bloody
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Speaker 2: pink hair, short pink hair, like fudge pink hair. When
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Speaker 2: I was in my teens, I had a car, just
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Speaker 2: a little Hounday Excel, but I got the windows tinted
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Speaker 2: mirror blue. So I was cruising around in this illegally
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Speaker 2: tinted car. Wow a couple of years. Just you know,
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Speaker 2: I just always wanted to stand out. I bought my
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Speaker 2: motorbike at seventeen, and I was getting around on that
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Speaker 2: motorbike with my bloody short pink hair, you know, And
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Speaker 2: it was just so that people go, she's cool. And different.
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Speaker 2: But really, you put me in a room with people,
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Speaker 2: I would be quite as a mouse.
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Speaker 1: And that's funny. I never thought, well, that's that's kind
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Speaker 1: of dressing or presenting to create a particular or a
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Speaker 1: desired outcome, not necessarily to be attractive, but to perhaps
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Speaker 1: be unique or different.
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Speaker 2: Or And I do remember the first time that I
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Speaker 2: let my hair grow a bit and I died it
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Speaker 2: back to a natural brown, and I had this sense
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Speaker 2: at that time of I don't need that anymore, and
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Speaker 2: that I didn't need that was the first time I
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Speaker 2: realized that there was some sort of a thing I
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Speaker 2: was portraying. It was like, oh, I didn't realize I
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Speaker 2: needed it before, but now I feel like I don't
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Speaker 2: need that shouty, bloody appearance.
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting. I remember doing when I was in
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Speaker 1: my early twenties. I was working, I was running a
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Speaker 1: gym and doing all the shit I was doing. But
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Speaker 1: it's three nights a week. I did security in pubs,
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Speaker 1: and it was quite important that I looked big, that
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Speaker 1: I looked intimidating, and so I was always one hundred
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Speaker 1: odd plus kilos with a very shaved head, and every
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Speaker 1: Friday night before work, I would I would, you know,
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Speaker 1: clipper my hair with clippers. So my hair was about
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Speaker 1: a millimeter long, and it's looking back, I think, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was because I was probably a little bit terrified
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Speaker 1: because it's a bit volatile. I might get my fucking
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Speaker 1: head caved in. But I wanted to look as though
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Speaker 1: I was not to be fucked with. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: so I thought, well, they'll never They'll never discover my
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Speaker 1: insecurity or innate lack of fighting skills if I looked terrifying.
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Speaker 2: I remember talking about this in business networking ones of people.
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Speaker 2: When I made that realization with print for me, I
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Speaker 2: got really passionate about teaching people in business networking situations
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Speaker 2: like to find that really what the passion is in
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Speaker 2: what they do when they think they don't love what
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Speaker 2: they do. Because even in because because I spent years
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Speaker 2: and years and years in print and design and creative industry,
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Speaker 2: thinking that I just saying I just fell into it.
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Speaker 2: I fell into it through an opportunity when I left school,
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Speaker 2: and then it became what I knew. But I was
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Speaker 2: passionate about it and when as soon as I made
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Speaker 2: that discovery, and I've had conversations with people in small
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Speaker 2: businesses and that when we've found that link and they go,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, I've never really realized that, And then
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Speaker 2: they realized that's why they've been drawn into the role
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Speaker 2: or the industry that they're in. It's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Would you say, to this point in time, you've had
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Speaker 1: an accidental career or an intentional career or something else accidental?
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Speaker 2: For sure, both times I fell into that one and
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Speaker 2: then I fell into the fitness one.
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Speaker 1: I'm just writing that down because that could become.
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Speaker 2: I fell into podcasting.
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Speaker 1: Well, isn't it funny? How you know we've spoken before
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Speaker 1: about like work life balance and work impact, and I
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Speaker 1: was thinking the other day I work. I've probably worked
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Speaker 1: since I was eighteen years old, on average fifty hours
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Speaker 1: a week. I'd say more a lot. It depends what
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Speaker 1: we call work, right, But then you know, so I'm
16:18
Speaker 1: chucking in their PhD, which is essentially yeah, it's study,
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Speaker 1: but it's a job. Like a PhD is more like
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Speaker 1: a job than a job to me, Like, that's much
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Speaker 1: more work, right. But anyway, I would say on average,
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Speaker 1: for fifty weeks per year, for the last forty two years,
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Speaker 1: I've done fifty hours. So if you go fifty hours
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Speaker 1: times fifty weeks is two and a half thousand weeks
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Speaker 1: a year. Now, if you multiply that by forty years,
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Speaker 1: that's one hundred thousand hours of work, right, And I
16:55
Speaker 1: was thinking how many hours do people work over their lifetime?
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Speaker 1: And also and again there's no clear answer to this,
17:05
Speaker 1: although I did look at a recent Gallup poll that
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Speaker 1: said globally about sixty percent of people who work don't
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Speaker 1: like their work so that they're not engaged. It says
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Speaker 1: they're not engaged, They don't they don't look forward to it.
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Speaker 1: They just do it. It's something they tolerate to produce
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Speaker 1: a financial outcome. I get it, and I thought it
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Speaker 1: might have been higher, and it may be who knows.
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Speaker 1: But for me, the thought of just doing a thing
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Speaker 1: to produce a financial outcome is terrifying. But also I
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Speaker 1: do acknowledge that I have first world privilege and that
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Speaker 1: I am lucky enough that I can create my own
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Speaker 1: thing and have created my own thing, and not everyone
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Speaker 1: is afforded the opportunity and luxury that I've been afforded
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Speaker 1: to live in Australia, where if you want to work hard,
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Speaker 1: take risks, fall down, get up, take chances, make hard decisions,
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Speaker 1: do hard things you can within reason, you can kind
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Speaker 1: of do whatever you want, you know, But that that
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Speaker 1: idea of clocking in and clocking out and then just
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Speaker 1: looking at the fucking clock on the wall waiting for
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Speaker 1: five o'clock. I couldn't do that. I guess if I
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Speaker 1: had to, I could. But what about you?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not. I was just thinking, have you ever
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Speaker 2: you ever in your life had a time where you've
18:27
Speaker 2: felt stuck? Did you ever live that you didn't? Really?
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Speaker 2: Like you kind of went into your own thing. But
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Speaker 2: is there as an experience that you remember where you
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Speaker 2: were just like, I don't ever want to be stuck
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Speaker 2: like this?
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Speaker 1: Do you know what I think? I don't know. Just
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Speaker 1: the way my mind works, I don't know if it's
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Speaker 1: good or bad. But from when I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: if I did anything like I had a couple of
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Speaker 1: jobs that I lasted one day because I knew in
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Speaker 1: one day wasn't lazy. It's not like I don't want
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Speaker 1: to work.
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Speaker 2: I just knew this is not the thing.
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Speaker 1: Like have you ever been out with a dude on
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Speaker 1: the date and you know ten minutes.
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Speaker 2: In all of them?
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Speaker 1: Like, you know ten minutes in like, this is not
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Speaker 1: the guy, and you may bee maybe four minutes in
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Speaker 1: and I don't even know what it is, but you
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Speaker 1: just know and probably ninety nine percent of the time
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Speaker 1: you're right. And for me, Like, people are going to
19:25
Speaker 1: laugh at this. This is so ironic and hilarious. I
19:27
Speaker 1: don't know if you even know this. But when I
19:30
Speaker 1: was eighteen, i'd finished school and I didn't go to UNI.
19:32
Speaker 1: I went to UNI later, but I got somehow, I
19:35
Speaker 1: can't even remember how, but I got offered to be
19:38
Speaker 1: a trainee center manager trainee at McDonald's, right, hilarious.
19:47
Speaker 2: I know that is very funny.
19:49
Speaker 1: I know. I lasted about seven hours and I went
19:54
Speaker 1: up to the boss and I went, this is not
19:56
Speaker 1: for me, and they're like what, And it was a
19:58
Speaker 1: really good opportunity. So in the management program like to
20:02
Speaker 1: be you know, by the time I was twenty or
20:04
Speaker 1: twenty one managing a restaurant, blah blah blah. I'm like, dude,
20:08
Speaker 1: this is a fuck. Keep the money, keep the seven
20:11
Speaker 1: hours worth of money. I thank you for the opportunity.
20:15
Speaker 1: You're all great this but this is not me. But
20:18
Speaker 1: I knew that, and I knew and I thought, I
20:20
Speaker 1: can't like I'm not that dude, you know, even by
20:24
Speaker 1: the time I was twenty twenty one. And again I'm
20:27
Speaker 1: not saying this is good or bad, but this is
20:29
Speaker 1: just me. Even working in environments I liked, like working
20:32
Speaker 1: in a gym, helping people, having a boss, I will
20:37
Speaker 1: say though, my last boss, his name's Mike Thornbro, I'll
20:40
Speaker 1: shout out to him. He was great. He gave me
20:44
Speaker 1: all the rope because he knew that I was honest,
20:47
Speaker 1: and he knew that I cared about him, and he
20:49
Speaker 1: knew that I cared about his business. And I ran
20:51
Speaker 1: his business as well as I would have run my
20:54
Speaker 1: own business, or I tried to anyway. But it dawned
20:57
Speaker 1: on me early that I'm I want to work, but
21:01
Speaker 1: I don't want to have a job because I get bored.
21:04
Speaker 1: I need to be able to create and expand and
21:07
Speaker 1: try things that might fail. Well, you can't do that
21:10
Speaker 1: in someone else's business.
21:11
Speaker 2: Really, you just reminded me of a conversation I had
21:13
Speaker 2: with a friend.
21:14
Speaker 1: You know.
21:14
Speaker 2: We went for a walk the other day and he
21:15
Speaker 2: was talking about one of his friends who at work,
21:18
Speaker 2: who he was managing. So he was managing this and
21:21
Speaker 2: we were talking about adhd and she has ADHD and
21:25
Speaker 2: how he learned so much about the condition and how
21:30
Speaker 2: to help her and manage her and make her and
21:32
Speaker 2: she ended up being this top performer. And then there
21:35
Speaker 2: was business structure change. She goes under different management and
21:39
Speaker 2: within I think he said something like three months she
21:42
Speaker 2: was put under performance management and just capitulated because people
21:48
Speaker 2: were micromanaging and he had to kind of go in
21:52
Speaker 2: and have a chat and go like give. And it's
21:54
Speaker 2: interesting we think of how different we all are and
21:57
Speaker 2: how we might just thrive in the right business, but
22:01
Speaker 2: that right business has to have the right people with
22:05
Speaker 2: the right skills to get the best out of this
22:07
Speaker 2: and the flexibility to understand that. It's hard to do
22:10
Speaker 2: that because then they go, what about all these people
22:13
Speaker 2: that they might want to work like that? And you know,
22:15
Speaker 2: it's hard, I think, to roll that out.
22:18
Speaker 1: Well, think about the reality that if you've got to
22:21
Speaker 1: let's say you've got tiff Ink, and at tiff Ink,
22:24
Speaker 1: everyone comes to work at tiff HQ and there's twenty
22:28
Speaker 1: people or there's twenty personalities, twenty backgrounds, twenty expectations, and
22:34
Speaker 1: you know, probably different reasons for being there in some way,
22:37
Speaker 1: shape or form. So you've got to deal with all
22:39
Speaker 1: that variability and all that kind of humanity. And yes,
22:44
Speaker 1: you've got to tick the boxerscross the t's, dot the i's,
22:48
Speaker 1: make the money, service the clients and customers, develop, build
22:52
Speaker 1: the product, blah blah blah blah blah. But you also,
22:55
Speaker 1: and this is the hard part, you've got to create
22:57
Speaker 1: a culture that people want to be in. I say
23:00
Speaker 1: to all the bosses that I work with, all the CEOs,
23:03
Speaker 1: all the bloody mds, all the business owners, do you
23:07
Speaker 1: have a place, a culture, an organization, even a physical
23:11
Speaker 1: place that people want to be in and want to
23:14
Speaker 1: come to? Because if you've got everything right, but people
23:18
Speaker 1: don't like the culture or you, or they don't feel valued, loved,
23:21
Speaker 1: scene wanted, fucking good luck keeping them and definitely good
23:26
Speaker 1: luck keeping them happy.
23:28
Speaker 2: You ran massive businesses with a lot of staff, right,
23:32
Speaker 2: how did you what worked and what failed in creating
23:36
Speaker 2: that culture? Because you're one person with one influence, you
23:41
Speaker 2: must have done a lot.
23:42
Speaker 1: Of so it worked at varying levels, and I got
23:44
Speaker 1: lots of things wrong. I'll say that up front. You
23:47
Speaker 1: know there were times when Harper's my Gym's were the
23:51
Speaker 1: industry leader in Australia and we were crushing and killing, and.
23:56
Speaker 3: I think part of it was that the good part,
24:00
Speaker 3: like when we did well, was that I was silly
24:02
Speaker 3: and I was energetic, and I loved people and I
24:06
Speaker 3: wanted I had.
24:08
Speaker 1: Fun with my staff, I had fun with my clients.
24:11
Speaker 1: I made it a great I tried to make it
24:14
Speaker 1: a great energy to be in the middle of. That
24:18
Speaker 1: became harder when I opened other centers that I wasn't
24:22
Speaker 1: in the middle of right, And like all businesses, I
24:26
Speaker 1: had trainers that were brilliant, I had trainers that were
24:29
Speaker 1: not so brilliant. I had trainers in the middle and
24:33
Speaker 1: people that come in and for the first three six
24:35
Speaker 1: months they're fucking amazing, and then twelve months in they
24:38
Speaker 1: hate you for some reason or maybe I did something right.
24:42
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's I'm not at fault, but I
24:46
Speaker 1: was always because I wasn't good at business, but I
24:49
Speaker 1: was good at people. The business ended up going pretty good.
24:53
Speaker 1: But I was always very aware of culture, connection, communication,
24:59
Speaker 1: reading the room, resolving conflicts, solving problems as quick as possible,
25:06
Speaker 1: And I instinctively and intuitively knew without ever being taught,
25:10
Speaker 1: that if I could create a place that people wanted
25:13
Speaker 1: to be in were a pretty good chance. Mm.
25:21
Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about when I back in the day,
25:25
Speaker 2: when I had a job, job and a boss, and
25:28
Speaker 2: just the idea of figuring out like self awareness, figuring
25:32
Speaker 2: out what actually works for you. That's hard when you
25:36
Speaker 2: because I think, especially at the workplace, most of us
25:40
Speaker 2: are a people pleaser at some point. And it took
25:44
Speaker 2: me the best part of my forty years, the very
25:47
Speaker 2: biggest chunk of it to get any idea of how
25:50
Speaker 2: much I would accommodate and put myself last and have
25:56
Speaker 2: no idea why I might be happy or outispie or
26:01
Speaker 2: feel comfortable where I am, what part of it, whether
26:04
Speaker 2: it was confrontation or whether it was relationship driven with
26:07
Speaker 2: the people, or whether it was what I'm doing, or
26:10
Speaker 2: the structure the time, how much flexibility I have versus
26:13
Speaker 2: how much structure and help, so you like to have
26:17
Speaker 2: enough help and guidance but not be micromanaged and have
26:20
Speaker 2: be able to be create even a bit spontaneous. That
26:24
Speaker 2: was a hard thing to really learn well for myself
26:28
Speaker 2: over all that time.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also, you know, we talk about
26:32
Speaker 1: this idea with diet, We talk about it with lifestyle.
26:36
Speaker 1: We talk about it with as we did at the
26:38
Speaker 1: start the show, how we dress like it's personal. Like
26:41
Speaker 1: you think about your job. You don't have holiday pay,
26:45
Speaker 1: you don't have sick pay. You have a lot of risk,
26:48
Speaker 1: You have a lot of financial vulnerability. You don't know
26:52
Speaker 1: how much money you will make next week. You don't
26:54
Speaker 1: know how many people will listen to your podcast. You
26:58
Speaker 1: have very little are predictability on planet you. I have
27:04
Speaker 1: a little bit less right because I don't have a
27:08
Speaker 1: set wage per se. And you get but your existence
27:14
Speaker 1: is really vulnerable, but also creative, but also fucking terrifying
27:18
Speaker 1: but also exciting. But it wouldn't suit a lot of people,
27:22
Speaker 1: but for you, it's perfect. And so this notion of
27:27
Speaker 1: finding the right job is really more about finding the
27:30
Speaker 1: right job for that person, that personality, that emotional system,
27:36
Speaker 1: that creative being that you know, where do I thrive?
27:40
Speaker 1: Because where you thrive, somebody else might perish. You know.
27:45
Speaker 1: It's back to the We give Brian some almonds and
27:48
Speaker 1: he feels great, and we give Sally some almonds and
27:50
Speaker 1: she fucking chokes out on the floor. Right, it's not
27:53
Speaker 1: about the almonds. It's not about the job. It's about
27:57
Speaker 1: what works for us as individuals also comma your honor.
28:02
Speaker 1: It's also what will work for you over your work spam.
28:07
Speaker 1: You know, So what what fucking set you on fire
28:10
Speaker 1: when you were twenty? That's probably well and truly past.
28:14
Speaker 1: It's used by date for tiff. Yeah, and what blew
28:17
Speaker 1: your socks off when you were thirty? Now you might
28:19
Speaker 1: go shoulder shrug emoji. Not really? And now what sets
28:24
Speaker 1: you on fire? What excites you? Challenges you, has your attention?
28:29
Speaker 1: That might be quite different in one, two, five years.
28:31
Speaker 1: You know, like, the best job for you is fluid.
28:36
Speaker 1: It's not stagnant. It's not the same thing like the
28:39
Speaker 1: best You know, when I was twenty, I could eat
28:42
Speaker 1: three pretty big meals a day and I didn't get fat.
28:46
Speaker 1: At sixty, I can't. Yeah, all these things are dynamic.
28:50
Speaker 1: The world's dynamic. Where you know, you're not the same
28:53
Speaker 1: person that you were yesterday. Your body's not the same.
28:57
Speaker 1: Your cells are constantly dying and growing like you're everything's
29:01
Speaker 1: being reinvented. So this idea that you'll find a job
29:07
Speaker 1: and you'll do that for forty years and be happy
29:10
Speaker 1: is completely fucking ridiculous for most people. Yeah, that's not
29:15
Speaker 1: going to be the case, and.
29:17
Speaker 2: I reckon most people listening and wherever they are right now,
29:21
Speaker 2: and you think about how much, like I think about
29:23
Speaker 2: how much it took me to learn, how many mistakes,
29:26
Speaker 2: how many opportunities, And with a higher risk profile like
29:30
Speaker 2: I have, I was able to jump in and try
29:33
Speaker 2: something and pivot and do something else, and do something else.
29:35
Speaker 2: There's a luxury in that that you have to have
29:37
Speaker 2: a higher risk tolerance. But then what gets really complex
29:42
Speaker 2: is getting to this point. And then when you are
29:45
Speaker 2: ready for a chat, like at the moment I go, Okay,
29:48
Speaker 2: you're doing too much, like too many hours, too much,
29:52
Speaker 2: you've taken on a lot, and to get further, you
29:55
Speaker 2: need to figure this out. No one's I'm the most.
29:59
Speaker 2: I'm I know the most about what got me here
30:03
Speaker 2: and what works and what doesn't. But then when you
30:05
Speaker 2: need some advice, it's like when you turn because no
30:08
Speaker 2: one else knows all of the stuff that I already know,
30:10
Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't it's really difficult. I find it
30:12
Speaker 2: difficult because people can give you a bum steer. So
30:15
Speaker 2: I'm really hesitant to go, oh, help me out, because
30:18
Speaker 2: everyone's a fucking expert. I can help.
30:21
Speaker 1: You well, yeah, exactly. And that's why even with this show,
30:25
Speaker 1: and I've said this a million times, you know, we're
30:29
Speaker 1: not dispensing advice. There's not a prescription coming out of
30:32
Speaker 1: this conversation. There's a conversation and in the middle of
30:36
Speaker 1: their thoughts, ideas stories, you know, someone might go, ah,
30:39
Speaker 1: I might try that. Someone else might think, ah, that's bullshit.
30:43
Speaker 1: Either way, it's fine, like if you know, like I
30:48
Speaker 1: like to just provoke people to think. Like the idea,
30:52
Speaker 1: even just one simple idea that's come out of this
30:55
Speaker 1: is that most jobs, most careers, have a used by
30:59
Speaker 1: day where the excitement and the joy and the contentment
31:04
Speaker 1: and the happiness that that situation once manifested for that individual,
31:09
Speaker 1: that might go away. And that's okay, that's not We
31:12
Speaker 1: don't need to be sad. We just need to adapt.
31:15
Speaker 2: You know.
31:15
Speaker 1: I remember working, I remember literally working in pubs and
31:18
Speaker 1: it was kind of exciting because it was fucking a
31:21
Speaker 1: bit scary, it was a bit risky. It's fucking you know,
31:24
Speaker 1: hot girl. There was some great girls everywhere, there was pissed,
31:27
Speaker 1: silly people. It was fucking entertaining. It was just a
31:31
Speaker 1: fucking shit fest of humanity and for me, I was
31:34
Speaker 1: like a fish out of water because I was the
31:36
Speaker 1: most boring motherfucker in the joint. Like all I did
31:39
Speaker 1: was eat chicken salad and lift heavy shit. Then I
31:43
Speaker 1: went to this circus three times a week to watch
31:46
Speaker 1: people who were nothing like me, and it was like
31:49
Speaker 1: such a great learning place. It was such a great
31:52
Speaker 1: classroom for me. But now I'd rather punch myself in
31:56
Speaker 1: the face than go there. But at the time, I'm like,
31:59
Speaker 1: this is this is so good? You know, I mean,
32:04
Speaker 1: but that's yeah, you know, you know, there was a
32:07
Speaker 1: time when me training clients was the best thing. Like
32:12
Speaker 1: I used to feel like this is the biggest scam ever.
32:16
Speaker 1: I'm in a gym. All I want to do is
32:17
Speaker 1: be in a gym, because gyms are the best. Right,
32:20
Speaker 1: I'm in a gym. I'm making three or four times
32:23
Speaker 1: the hourly rate of a gym instructor because I'm a trainer, right,
32:29
Speaker 1: And I'm making good though. I'm talking to cool people.
32:33
Speaker 1: I'm having fun, I'm learning, I'm evolving. I'm in an
32:36
Speaker 1: environment I want to be. I'm wearing a fucking tracksuit
32:39
Speaker 1: to work. How good is that? You know? It's like
32:44
Speaker 1: now I look back and I go. I understand why
32:46
Speaker 1: that was awesome, but now that wouldn't be awesome. And
32:50
Speaker 1: it's not that it's good or bad, it's that I'm
32:53
Speaker 1: a bit different.
32:54
Speaker 2: Now was there what did anything ever or what was
32:58
Speaker 2: the thing that would keep you stuck if it ever did?
33:03
Speaker 2: Like for me, it's I have this inability to let
33:07
Speaker 2: go of things. So I try and move on without
33:09
Speaker 2: creating the space, and I'd burn out and I'd take
33:12
Speaker 2: too much on because I think I have this insecurity complex.
33:16
Speaker 2: It's all this is all going to fall away, nothing
33:18
Speaker 2: last forever. You're going to get a band and you're
33:20
Speaker 2: going to lose things, so hold on to it real tight.
33:22
Speaker 2: So I'm I try and grow. I've got no I've
33:25
Speaker 2: got no free hand to grasp anything new. Do you
33:27
Speaker 2: have something that you can that made it hard for
33:30
Speaker 2: you to you it was inefficient?
33:32
Speaker 1: Well, I think because I always I was always doing better,
33:39
Speaker 1: not always, but I was mostly I looked better than
33:42
Speaker 1: I was, as in like I knew that people thought
33:47
Speaker 1: I knew a fair bit, but I didn't feel like
33:49
Speaker 1: I knew a fair bit right, And so for me,
33:52
Speaker 1: shitty self esteem got in the way. Like when I
33:55
Speaker 1: was in a situation that was pretty good, but I
33:58
Speaker 1: knew that there was something better. I'd maybe stay in
34:01
Speaker 1: the pretty good for a while because of fear of, oh,
34:03
Speaker 1: but what if the other thing doesn't work, which is
34:06
Speaker 1: very typical you still do that, not maybe a little,
34:12
Speaker 1: but you know, like I've thought a lot even about
34:16
Speaker 1: this show. I've thought, h how long will I do
34:20
Speaker 1: this show for? And if I'm being as transparent as
34:26
Speaker 1: I can be, Like even right now, I'm enjoying this conversation,
34:34
Speaker 1: and you and I have had hundreds of conversations. There's
34:37
Speaker 1: nothing about this that I go, ah, fuck, this is
34:41
Speaker 1: just some obligation. There's you know, It's like I saw
34:45
Speaker 1: you before at the gym and I said, have you
34:47
Speaker 1: got time? And bah, And there is a little bit of, oh,
34:51
Speaker 1: I need to get a podcast recorded today because today Sunday,
34:54
Speaker 1: we don't have one for tomorrow. But I've got two
34:56
Speaker 1: interviews tomorrow, so we're good for Tuesday and Wednesday. But
35:00
Speaker 1: so there's a little bit of that because of the
35:01
Speaker 1: continuity and the expectation and the self imposed rules of
35:06
Speaker 1: podcast today. But nearly all the time when I'm doing it,
35:12
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere between liking it and loving it and I know,
35:16
Speaker 1: I'll get off this with you and we'll go see
35:18
Speaker 1: everyone and I'll say to you, that was good, that
35:21
Speaker 1: was good, you know, And as long as I'm enjoying it,
35:26
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing it. And if it gets
35:27
Speaker 1: to the point where, you know, and it's not making
35:31
Speaker 1: me rich and it's not making you rich, we all
35:33
Speaker 1: know that. But if it's getting to the point where
35:35
Speaker 1: I'm kind of breaking even but I still love it,
35:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing it.
35:40
Speaker 2: You know, what have you gotten out of this that
35:43
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't expect on the podcast?
35:46
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great question. And I thought about this
35:49
Speaker 1: the other day. It's like every day of my life
35:57
Speaker 1: I'm talking to an audience, and it's made me a much, much,
36:04
Speaker 1: much much better speakerlive because I'm talking about you know,
36:10
Speaker 1: the mind behavior, thinking habits, you know, self control, outcome, success, failure,
36:14
Speaker 1: that all the time. And I have to think all
36:17
Speaker 1: the time, and I have to be clear and articulate,
36:21
Speaker 1: and I need to sometimes explain complicated shit in an
36:25
Speaker 1: uncomplicated way. And this, apart from hopefully creating something that's
36:30
Speaker 1: good for our listeners, it's also an opportunity for me
36:34
Speaker 1: and you to develop skill competence, awareness communication. So for
36:41
Speaker 1: me that yeah, it's like I love it anyway. I
36:46
Speaker 1: could give you ten things. Meeting awesome people, you know,
36:49
Speaker 1: chatting with the beautiful Johnny Raffo, I could give you.
36:52
Speaker 1: I could give you, you know, individual examples of things that
36:56
Speaker 1: I will I will cherish, you know, building an audience
37:02
Speaker 1: of awesome people. I had a guy come up to
37:04
Speaker 1: me at Sydney Airport on Wednesday. Fuck, sorry, dude, I
37:08
Speaker 1: can't remember your name. He's probably going to listen to this,
37:11
Speaker 1: such a sweetheart. He goes Craig and I go yeah.
37:14
Speaker 1: He goes Craig Harper like, oh yeah, and he goes mate,
37:17
Speaker 1: he goes, you don't know this, but you kind of
37:19
Speaker 1: saved my life. And he shook my hand and he goes,
37:23
Speaker 1: I read all your stuff. I listened to your stuff.
37:25
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know, something like I don't know
37:27
Speaker 1: where i'd be without you. And I'm like, fuck, dude,
37:30
Speaker 1: I just want to spoon you on the couch now, motherfucker. Yeah.
37:33
Speaker 1: I just like And that was a bloke I've never
37:36
Speaker 1: met and probably will never see. It's Sydney Airport. I'm
37:40
Speaker 1: walking to the gate. I'm in a bit of a hurry.
37:42
Speaker 1: I'm about to go to Melbourne to do another thing.
37:45
Speaker 1: And it was like I just stopped and time stood
37:48
Speaker 1: still and I just and I just thanked him and
37:51
Speaker 1: I shook his hand and told him how much I
37:53
Speaker 1: appreciated it. And those moments you go, yeah, this is
38:00
Speaker 1: the only reason I do it, But yeah, this is
38:01
Speaker 1: why I do it. This is fucking this is so good.
38:04
Speaker 1: And it's not about ego. It's just about ah. I
38:08
Speaker 1: literally helped someone. Yes he did the work. But when
38:12
Speaker 1: a stranger stops you and says, and by the way,
38:16
Speaker 1: I don't think on any level I saved his life.
38:18
Speaker 1: But when they say, you know, you kind of saved
38:20
Speaker 1: my life, you know, or even just you really help
38:24
Speaker 1: me and you don't know. But then I go, fuck, yeah,
38:27
Speaker 1: that's why I do it so good.
38:29
Speaker 2: Someone was asking for advice one of my tazzy friends
38:34
Speaker 2: and they want to start a podcast Nate, and one
38:36
Speaker 2: of the questions they'd written was is it worth it?
38:40
Speaker 2: And I, for all the reasons you just said, I said,
38:43
Speaker 2: that's a loaded question. Depends what you want to get
38:46
Speaker 2: out of it. But you'll get this, this, this, this
38:48
Speaker 2: and this, and you'll develop your They want to do
38:51
Speaker 2: it on mental health. They've got lived experience, they're doing
38:54
Speaker 2: some great work in that area. I'm like, this is
38:57
Speaker 2: you will get so much out of the experience. That's
39:01
Speaker 2: what if you're aware of that, go and do it
39:04
Speaker 2: like and I say that to everyone, like do it
39:05
Speaker 2: and start now, like everyone wants to wait, just start now.
39:09
Speaker 1: But also yes, I agree, and also do it well,
39:14
Speaker 1: like don't don't fucking sit in your kitchen on your
39:17
Speaker 1: mum's fucking card table with a phone sitting on a
39:20
Speaker 1: fucking shoe box, for God's sake, Like I can't say who,
39:27
Speaker 1: but somebody I know has recently started a new podcast
39:31
Speaker 1: and it's good. Two people it's good, and one of
39:36
Speaker 1: the people their audio is nine out of ten and
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Speaker 1: the other one it's fucking four out of ten.
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Speaker 2: And when I see it, I feel like I know
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Speaker 2: who you're talking about, because I was just thinking the
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Speaker 2: same thing I reckon being of the same person.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and good idea good show name good like good,
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Speaker 1: everything's good. But I listened to some of the other
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Speaker 1: day and I couldn't keep listening because it sounded like
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Speaker 1: one person had their head in the toilet.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say something to them as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the other like one was the audio was great,
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Speaker 1: the other one, you know, So what's my point? My
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Speaker 1: point is whatever you're you know, by the way, when
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Speaker 1: you first start, of course it's not going to be awesome,
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Speaker 1: but hopefully the guests will get better, the conversation will
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Speaker 1: get better, the editing, the sound, the quality of everything,
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Speaker 1: and you keep But if you think you're just going
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Speaker 1: to start podcasting and become a success story, especially in
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Speaker 1: our it ain't going to happen without you know, you're
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Speaker 1: rolling up your sleeves and going, I'm going to do
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario one hundred episodes. Then reassess, like, if
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Speaker 1: you're not going to do one hundred and you won't
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Speaker 1: commit to one hundred, and then reassess my opinion, don't start.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you've just got that one outcome goal,
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Speaker 2: it mightn't be that you're going to be the best
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Speaker 2: podcast for every one day, but something in your life
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Speaker 2: will be you'll be way better at it as a
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Speaker 2: result of the work you've put in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know, with everything that
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Speaker 1: we do, you know, as a gym instructor, I was
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Speaker 1: crap and then I got better and then as a
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Speaker 1: trainer the same, and then as a podcaster. I think
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Speaker 1: I'm still improving. I definitely have room for growth and improvement.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's that, it's that that kind
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Speaker 1: of duality of being able to still have one eye
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Speaker 1: on development and learning and progression while also being able
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Speaker 1: to be in the middle of it going. But also,
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Speaker 1: by the way, this is fucking awesome right now, you
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Speaker 1: know that that which I've spoken a few guests about
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Speaker 1: the the kind of almost the conundrum of being both
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Speaker 1: ambitious and content at the same time, because they seem
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Speaker 1: to be exclusive. But you know, I think for the
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Speaker 1: most part, I'm content. I don't really have any significant
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Speaker 1: regular anxiety. But also I'm ambitious. I would love to
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Speaker 1: have a million listeners a week, but if I never do,
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Speaker 1: that's okay, you know. So it's been fun TIF.
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Speaker 2: As always, Thanks Harps.
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Speaker 1: No boobs for you and no knows job for me.
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Speaker 1: I think I think there are two of the key takeaways.
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Speaker 1: And maybe build a job you like.
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Speaker 2: Wh when typ hits a million listens a week, maybe
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Speaker 2: you can buy me some ee surgery. Though for my
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Speaker 2: Christmas bonus, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't even see the eye think I'm looking, but maybe
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Speaker 1: it's because you've got to filter onto you really, thanks everything,
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Speaker 1: all right everyone, love your guts