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Legally Byte, Lightening Strikes & Moonwalk Hype · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and That Michelle Chick, the weekly
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podcast where your hosts, Rick and Michelle, confidently dive
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into topics they know absolutely nothing about and somehow make
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it sound legit. They're not experts.
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They're not qualified. Honestly, they barely googled
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it. So grab a drink, lower your
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expectations, and let's pretend this counts as content.
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So buckle up. Facts are optional, but the
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bullshit? That's premium grade.
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This is Rick and that Michelle chick.
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So you wanted to just this is rare.
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Normally I'm the one that starts everything off and talks about
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what we are going to talk about today.
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But you wanted to to discuss something so you can start.
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Well, I, I want to talk really super quick because I know that
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some people are once again fascinated by the radio side of
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things, right? You know, pulling the curtain
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back. Pulling the pulling the curtain
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back and and why radio is such a unique business or career if you
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choose it as your career and and and I think that by bringing
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this up, I just want to make a point that something happened to
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a a Co worker well not necessarily a Co worker of mine
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and not necessarily a Co worker of yours yeah I.
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Never worked with her because I had already left and she was my
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replacement basically. Right.
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So, so we, we worked, I did not work with her directly in terms
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of, I mean, she is, she was part of Town Square Media, but, but
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she was in Yakima. So after I'd left Yakima, but
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she was teamed up. We, I, I, I mean, she was part
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of with Gunnar, your old morning show partner.
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And so they both luckily. So in our business, I'll just
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recap really super quick. You know, your career, I mean,
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to, to be successful, they, they, that you as an on air
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announcer would like to get to the biggest market you possibly
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can get to. Yeah.
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And so I always tell people it's not it's not a trick question is
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what's the number one radio market in America?
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Well, it's New York, right? And #2 second Los Angeles is
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going to be second. Chicago's going to be third.
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Dallas is fifth. Seattle is 13 or 14, depending
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on where Puerto Rico falls. It just depends.
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And so we saw two Co workers, or you know, at least Co workers of
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mine were former Co worker of yours.
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We saw them literally jump from Yakima, which is market 199 if
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lucky. It's I think it's now two O 6. 2
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something it is, I mean then I thought it was like 213.
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Yeah, it's it's down, it's down there.
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So they literally they literally hopscotched from markets 200,
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let's just say 200 all the way to market 15 in Phoenix.
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And so they were, they were doing the morning show And so
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basically. Unheard of.
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Yeah. And not to say that people can't
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make those leakage. Right.
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Yeah. But but it's a rare, it's a
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rarity in our business that you see that.
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So hang on, hang on. The dog pulled the cord.
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What's that? So I think I'm going to.
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That was Bodhi. So when they go underneath the
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desk, they pull all the cords and everything.
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It's like, guys, guys, yeah. I thought it was going to be an
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easy day today, not an easy day now.
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I think my, I think my lighting's messed up from where
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it was. So anyway, jumping from 200 to
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15 is AB absolutely phenomenal. It really is.
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It's. Possible, but it's rare.
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It's rare but it but it but it is a big deal because and they
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got to jump together as a team. Yes, which is even rarer I
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think. Yeah.
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So it's like so and and and so it was it was it is it is it is
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a big deal when you make that kind of a jump.
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You even get into the trades. They call it leap of the week,
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you know, when something like that happens.
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And so anyway, they were doing mornings in in Phoenix together
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market and it's market 15 good sized market.
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So think Seattle size and Gunnar left, I think what a year and a
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half ago, maybe two years ago or about a year and a half, you
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know, now they had she had renewed her contract.
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So, so you're at that level where you actually get a
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contract or can have a contract. And so she renewed it and it
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ended up getting a new morning show partner.
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So I think Gunner left at the end of 24.
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You know, he said he stepped away, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah, blah. So she and and and to me right
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then you're usually like in a morning show.
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Usually if you're the Co host, guess what happens to you.
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You're gone. You're out too.
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So it's like so they're like, oh, Rick's Rick's stepping back
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for the morning show. You know, what does that mean
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for Michelle? Sorry, Michelle, you're out.
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So but but obvious obviously give give the powers it be.
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They liked her enough that they that they kept her and she even
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and they even said and at signing into this contract.
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Well, out of the blue yesterday she posted, Hey, my time is
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coming to the end. Now Odyssey, I want to say they
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filed for bankruptcy. So they've been they've been
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cutting, they've been cutting staff.
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It's not just her, but it's but it's been a downsizing.
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I heart's cutting staff, Odyssey's cutting staff.
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My own company, Town Square Media is cutting staff.
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Everybody's, everybody's cutting staff.
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But it was interesting that a couple weeks ago I saw that
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their afternoon person at that station was out.
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And so you're like, so you're like, OK, well, she's going to
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be safe. And then and then she posted
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today or yesterday that that her time had come to an end.
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So she'd been there for longevity wise six years, that's
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pretty good run. Yeah, that's a.
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Real good run. That's a great that's.
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A great run at at market 15. It really is so now and she's
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young enough. So this is what I I I throw out
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there. This is the turning point.
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So she's I don't know I don't say her age, but I think she's
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30 something middle 30s probably right.
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So this is the time where you in in our career where you have to
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make a decision like, am I going to continue radio?
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Which means as she's getting her very first taste of up and down
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the dial, right? Because because a lot of times
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your decision to leave a radio station is not your decision.
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No. 90, let's say 90% of the time, 90% of the time they're
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making the decision, they're making the decision for you.
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So and and so anyway, I'll be curious to see, OK, does she
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stick around and go to a major market?
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Can can because remember she went there with her Co host.
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Right. So now she has to stand on her
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own. Right, she had a different Co
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host. Right and and when they applied
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for let's say that Phoenix job, he applied right as a team, yes
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and then she was brought along, you know, on the adventure.
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And of course she had to make the she had to make the hoops
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and do the right things to be there and then and and then to
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survive after him as well. I mean, it is based on merit and
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obviously, you know, she does have merit because she survived
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a year and a half after he after he'd gone.
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So, but this is the crossroads is do you go up and down the
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dial like this means this could mean going forward means you're
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moving your family, you know, every couple years.
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If this is going to be the life that that you want and that
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that's the sacrifice you have to make, you know, or, and she's
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from Yakima. So that's why that kind of makes
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it poignant or, or is she going to go back to to Yakima and and
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do other things? She was very fortunate in our
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business. She was doing radio for what, a
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year and a half? Yeah.
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So, so Gunner, I mean, Gunner discovered her at the gym and
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and a great personality, great personality.
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But a lot of people in our industry would be upset that
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someone literally made a leap of the week without no I'm.
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Without putting in their dues and their time for.
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For for, for old radio people, right?
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Old radio people like we had discussed, you got to move
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around the clock. You know, you started
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overnights, you go nights, you go midnight.
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I mean, but times have changed, right?
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Where they just put you in morning drive.
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Yeah, that hasn't been around for what, 1520 years that we put
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in our dues. Right now.
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Now they just put you in morning drive.
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Right. You could be a YouTube and
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they'll be like, OK, yeah, you're hired.
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Yeah. So we so we've got several
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people in our own company that that absolutely 100% was like
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ones that one was an actress, you know, she was an actress.
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And and so one up in Nashville with our one product Taste of
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Country Nights or one of the OR one of our morning shows.
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She was a musician. So she'd never done radio and
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she's a, you know, a working musician.
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So that experiment didn't work out.
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It it's hard to come into our industry and not be part of our
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industry and then maintain that. A lot of people and I and I
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always try to explain to people you are being judged on your
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personality. Yes.
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Just plain and simple, it's not, hey, it's not.
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Did Michelle do a good job today and did what all the things that
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were asked? It's like somebody like in the
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sales department goes, yeah, I don't like Michelle.
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Again. She's AB word.
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I don't want to work with her. Well, then that gets up to the
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gentleman who's like, well, maybe we should get rid of that
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person. Let's just you know, or
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whatever. So there's so many components
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that go in to just surviving. I was thinking about it just
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surviving. So she's I just want to bring it
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up. She's at that crossroads.
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So I'll be curious. I'm going to be watching her
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career now. On the now, on the the, the flip
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side, the good side is, well, she was in contact with all the
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record reps, so they're going to know of possible openings.
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Maybe other people from other companies at that level will
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approach her. But right now we're going
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through a real tough time where they're getting rid of hard to
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come by. Right.
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They're not hiring. They're getting rid of people.
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Yeah. Well, and, and I think, and what
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I think what frustrates me most about it is so let's say, you
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know, Yakima, tri-cities, they're no longer rated, so it
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doesn't matter anymore. But back in the day, you lived
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and died by the numbers. Yes, you did.
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So, so, so from a so for me, I look at it like now, now
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Phoenix, of course it's absolutely rated and it's and
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it's continuous rated. It's 4 * a year.
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You're rated non-stop. So what's crazy about that is
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everybody wants a quick fix on any situation.
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So let's say, and I don't, I, I saw their numbers, or at least
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they're 12 plus numbers. It I mean it, it's not like it's
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where it always has been. It's not like it went, you know,
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now we can't. And it didn't go.
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Up No. We just stagnant basically.
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Well, well, there's two big stations in in Phoenix.
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There's KNIX, which is the old Buck Owens that used to be owned
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by Buck Owens. And that's I hearts.
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And then you have and then you have KMLKMLE, which is camel
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country, which is another great big country stations.
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They have the two big country stations.
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They always go back and forth. They switch spots in the
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ratings, kind of like KXTD and the bull back in the day, you
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know, so, so The thing is sadly like, OK, So what are what are
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they looking for? So let's say they bring in
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somebody who's brand new. You're she she already has six
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years of of currency or or credit credibility.
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Recognition. Everybody knows her in the
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market. Exactly.
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So when I, when I think about, you know, when you just shove
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somebody brand new on a radio product, it's like and then
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expect an instant turn around. It doesn't work like that.
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No. Because it takes it could take
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years for that next person to get up to, you know, So if so,
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if the person has done nothing wrong, it's sad that why would
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you not want to stick with that currency or why you know they
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they already have, right? And, and being on the radio, a
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lot of the listeners like they feel like you are their friend,
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like you are their friend. And so she's already established
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that. And when you bring somebody new
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in, like sure, the, you know, the shiny new thing, everybody
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kind of usually turns to listen to the new whatever it is, the
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new station, the new whatever. But that only lasts maybe a few
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weeks, if that. And then usually they revert
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back to what they know and love. So, so yeah, it doesn't make any
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sense if like they're her ratings haven't dropped.
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Like why get rid of somebody who is established in the market?
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Well, her partner is still there, so it may be so.
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So no, it may be a solo. So that's one of that's one way
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around what they do is when they're doing budget cuts like
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that, it's like, OK, you're just a solo.
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You're just a solo person in the morning.
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But why not keep her and cut him?
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Well I don't know the inner workings but she's been the Co
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host. But she was there when they let
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go of Gunner by herself, right? No, she was not.
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They paired her with somebody. And then they brought in the new
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guy. So so they they paired her with
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the afternoon per guy so there was never a break where she ran
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the board. Like she like ran with the show
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herself basically is what you're saying.
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No, they, they. So when Gunner left stepped
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back, the the guy in the afternoon was like right put
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right in right in place. So so I don't know any more than
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that in that particular situation and you'll be in now.
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Now you're uniquely qualified because you've done a solo show
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and you've done A and you've done a Co host show.
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Right. So I mean, does that?
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I think that makes a little bit of difference too.
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Right, which doing your show just the Co host is hard right,
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but and then being the Co host, even if you've already like
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stood on your own, you know, having your own show, you're
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still always just looked at as the Co host, no matter what, no
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matter how good you are or you know the.
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Fact that you've. Had your own show for years and
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established. And we're helping the.
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Market. Yeah, and when they made the
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shift, of course, her name was still second.
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So even though, you know, and I, and I've often, it was so funny
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many years ago, I think I've already told this story a long
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time ago about Tom and I Tom was there when I got there, you
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know, and they brought me in to drive the morning show.
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And I remember the consultant asking me, he goes, why did, why
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wasn't it? Why didn't you call the show Tom
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and Rick instead of Rick and Tom?
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And I said Rick and Tom sounds better.
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I mean, it does. Might have been my arrogancy at
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28 years old. Twenty.
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I was 28 at that time. Guess what I said.
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I said Rick and Tom sounds better than Tom and Rick does it
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not? No, you're right.
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But then when we were all doing mornings, you were fine with
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your name not being first. You were like, Oh, yeah.
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I don't care but work. Oh, I know.
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But when we were all discussing it.
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Oh, so now you're saying you were just trying to be?
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Nice. It's oh, so it's interesting.
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Every morning show I've done, as with partners, I'm always first.
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Not, but not because of me wanting to be first, no.
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It wasn't, I was going to say it wasn't really.
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It wasn't you. That was like, my name has to be
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first. You were just like, we'll call
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it whatever. You're, but it's the flow of
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usually it's, it's the flow of it, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, I just happen to have a name that kind of works better.
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It's a front. I mean, why do you think it's?
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AI know Rick, Rick, Rick. And that was right, Rick.
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Rick, we were, we were Rick and Michelle and Cephas or whatever
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with the morning bullpen with Rick and Michelle.
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Yeah. Right now it's Rick and Patty.
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I've been Rick and Tom. I've been Rick and John.
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I've been Rick and Amy in the morning.
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I mean, you know, all the all the years I've done mornings,
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but not because. You would have been, you would
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have been completely fine if it would have been Michelle and
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Rick. That was if it.
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Would have flowed good, and it would have.
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But I will. Because you always seem like you
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would be fine with that. So that's.
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Of course. Well, so so as I describe it to
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Patty, here's the deal. It's like, oh, oh, Rick and
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Stacy. I forgot about Rick and Stacy.
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So, so here's the deal. No Rick and Stacy with my Stacy.
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OK, I thought you missed the other.
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No. No, no, Stacy Lee that was here.
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She's the weather gal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She's my part, my former Co partner that's on the TV news.
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You guys see her all the time. She's fantastic.
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Too many Stacy's and Stacy's and.
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But but interesting. So in terms of running the
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board, I always run the board. Yes.
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So, so what's funny? So when I first got there on day
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one with Tom back in the day and it was my first time ever doing
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mornings on day one, Tom ran the board on day 2.
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I, I go, I'm running the board. Not it wasn't.
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It's just because I, I like to, I like to drive it.
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And So what I tell So what I told Patty or what I've told
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Patty or Stacey even knows, Hey, I will set the table.
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Let me set the table. You can talk the entire thing,
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even though I know our listeners will disagree.
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Right. Or you'll you you can't not yes.
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You can, you can, you can do the entire break.
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I don't care. So you've got a less you've got
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to let let me set up the the the table.
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So I've got to go, you know, it's, you know, number one for
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new country, 102.7 KOD. It's Rick and Patty in the
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morning, 732 sunshine right now, 55°.
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Hey, we've been talking about this.
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Now you can jump on in and I don't care if you go the entire
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break and we go, all right, well, it's Rick and Patty, 7:30.
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Three, you're the closer. You're the opener and the
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closer. Exactly.
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So it's not that I have now, of course, I just actually who's.
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Sabotage and take over. Yeah, so, so when I look at my,
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our our friend, I don't know if I can say her name or not, but
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but I, but it's like there's choices to be made, if that
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makes sense. Yeah.
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And I'm and I'm just absolutely fascinated only because for me,
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for the most part, at this point in my career, I've been pretty
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isolated where I've been. I've been at the same company 17
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years. Babe.
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So I haven't had to look in the rate, I haven't had to look for
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a new radio job in a long in a long time.
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And but I know a lot of people who have and I know it and I
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know that they end up 99% or 90% time do something else.
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Right. They get out of the business one
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it doesn't pay shit like it never has and it currently
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doesn't. You know what, I guarantee even,
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you know, I don't know the inner workings of all of that when you
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get to. I mean, it's been a long time
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since I've been in market 13 in Seattle, right?
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But, and I know time, I know times have changed, but I still
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know that the pay for talent even at those levels, unless you
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are truly, you know, not. No, you're the number one.
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Yeah, you you're Rush Limbaugh or you're, you're Ryan Seacrest,
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you know what I'm saying? You're at that whole different
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level to where you quantitatively can prove that
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you are the money. You know what I'm saying?
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That's when you make the the 2 to $3,000,000, you know, a year
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or whatever that crazy number is it?
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It's possible. You bet it's possible.
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But 99.9, it's almost like being an actor.
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Someone once, someone once told me that radio people are poor
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man's movie stars. I love that person when he said
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that because it's just like being a part of AFTRA is 99.9%
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of working actors don't make what the 1% make.
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So when people are like. So when people are bitching
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about Tom Cruise or Jennifer Aniston, like what they have a
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union like this is bullshit. You know, they got they don't
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need more money. That's not who they're talking
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about. Right.
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They're talking about the 99% that are making bupkis basically
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doing. That.
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So and, and you do it because you love it.
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At the end of the day, we do it. We do the radio thing because we
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love it. So anyway, they don't want to
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spend too much time on it. I wanted just to say it's going
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to be fascinating. And I wanted to pull back the
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curtain for people to understand that it's like, you could be
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doing a great job and then you're out.
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Yeah. And then what do you do?
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Because you cannot. It's not like any job where she
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can just walk across the street anymore, right.
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Back in the day, you could walk across the street.
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Right. And they would take.
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You with open arms and be like, come on in, right you?
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You never know. You, you of all people know that
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back in back in your Yakima days because you worked at both
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sides. Yeah.
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You know, and so, and so I'll be curious down the road.
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I'm curious to watch your career, like, yeah, well, you
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know, and, and at that level, it'll be interesting because she
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gets to meet all the stars at that level, right?
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And you don't And when? You get booted down to small
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market again. You know you're not you're not
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the the cock of the walk, right? You know.
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So it's one of those things where it, it'll be curious to
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see where it where it goes. And I'm, I'm fascinated by it
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because I am really curious about myself, even curious about
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the state of radio and the, the job, the job search.
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So you want to keep us updated? So well, best of luck best.
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Of luck to that person. I want nothing but the best.
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I'm just looking at it from This is a crossroads.
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Yeah. And almost everybody I've ever
21:23
come into contact, most of them get out of radio.
21:26
Oh yeah. So especially.
21:28
If you have a. Family and yeah, well, moving.
21:31
Get used to it, you know? Yeah.
21:33
I mean, I, I did send a little. I did send a little.
21:36
Hey, I'm really sorry to hear that.
21:37
And I wrote Welcome to radio. Because it's the truth.
21:40
Because in this I'm not. And that's not to pick on her.
21:42
I don't know her mindset. I just know in her mind that's
21:45
the reality. Her reality.
21:47
Is well, this is the way it all because she jumped from Yakima
21:50
to Phoenix. She doesn't know any.
21:51
Different. She doesn't know the whole ship.
21:54
She doesn't. Know that you are, that you
21:58
have. You're going to bounce from town
21:59
to town, up and down the dial and you're making it going to
22:02
make nothing. You know then.
22:06
Then again, maybe, maybe they're an incredible star and they
22:11
bounced to Dallas, they bounced to LA and they and they can and
22:15
they can maintain it. I've got, I've got a friend who
22:17
I met in 1998, yeah, 99. And she was working in Los
22:23
Angeles. Her name is Laura Scott.
22:25
Guess where she's still working in LA.
22:28
Yeah, she's in LA. And she's the midday and she's
22:31
the midday gal. And I took so and and we're and
22:33
we're friends. So she's maintained 30 plus
22:36
years now. She's jumped from station to
22:39
station to station, you know, in LA.
22:43
But she's there and I think and now she works at the Christian
22:46
station there for Salem Broadcasting or whatever.
22:49
So anyway, amazing talent. I mean, unbelievable.
22:52
So and so, yeah, but but for her to stay at that level for so
22:56
many years, right, it's crazy. Yeah.
23:01
Which satellite? Radio.
23:02
So I listen strictly to satellite radio and the hit
23:05
station used to have Tony Fly and Simon in the afternoons, who
23:10
I loved. I loved the two of them
23:11
together. And then in the last week or
23:14
two, Tony Fly is on. I think he's on like the like
23:18
2000 station now by himself, and then Simon's on by herself and
23:22
now she goes by her real name, which is like Gabby Simon.
23:26
And it's just not the same. It's not the same.
23:30
And I don't like it. Well, it's the.
23:33
It's the. It it's interesting enough not
23:36
not so even from even from us doing a morning show, Rick and
23:38
Michelle. It's the combination of the
23:41
personalities that's not that really make it, you know, if
23:43
you've got 2 very unique personalities, they make magic
23:47
together. They just, they just do and, and
23:49
you and you almost want that Ying and Yang.
23:52
And so it's like I can already, I can already tell you my solo
23:55
show and your solo show is not compared to what you're hearing
23:58
on this podcast, right? No, you know, because you're 1
24:01
individual. And so you've got to, you've got
24:03
to do different things and, and you present, you actually
24:06
present differently because you're because you're a solo
24:10
person. And so I love, that's why I
24:13
never thought I'd love mornings, but I'm, I love mornings because
24:16
you do have that interaction with somebody, right?
24:18
It's easier. Than trying to pull off a bit by
24:21
yourself or talk about something by yourself and get phoners and
24:26
yeah, yeah, it just it it just. It yeah so so this person who's
24:29
in Phoenix their Co host is now solo and that will change the
24:34
dynamics. Oh yeah.
24:36
Of that morning show. Yeah, I don't, I don't.
24:38
And I'd also, I also don't think because they're having cuts,
24:40
that's this company that that she works for is having cuts.
24:43
I don't think it's like they're going to suddenly put another
24:45
person. No, they're having cuts unless
24:49
unless they're solo. Right.
24:50
Hiring somebody for peanuts 25,000 in their market or
24:54
something? Well, you can't even you.
24:55
Can't even, you can't even afford that anymore?
24:57
No. No.
24:59
OK, All right. Well, let's move on because I
25:01
wanted to discuss AI and the whole Reese Witherspoon
25:06
incident. Have you heard anything about
25:09
this at all? I saw a little.
25:10
Blurb about it that she's encouraging women to learn and
25:14
adapt adopt AI tools citing data that women's jobs are three
25:18
times more likely to be automated.
25:20
So she's she's saying, hey guys, learn all you can about AI, use
25:24
the tools because women's jobs just hate this person that just
25:27
got to let go. Hello woman right the man, the
25:30
man on the show get the man on the show didn't get let go right
25:33
and. She's just, she's not saying
25:35
like, oh, completely be dependent on it or anything.
25:38
She's just like, it's a new you need to just know, you need to
25:41
know and learn this for your own sake.
25:44
And so yes, she's gotten a lot of backlash, which I completely
25:49
get because people are worried about AI and especially in the
25:54
the film, movie, any type of industry like that, that
25:58
writing, even they're worried about AI taking over.
26:02
So I get that. But she's not saying like just
26:05
let's have it just completely take over.
26:07
She's just saying like, Hey, you should learn this and be aware
26:11
of this. And and that's that.
26:14
She's not saying I wanted to completely take over the world
26:17
or take jobs away. And even though it's taking away
26:19
a lot of jobs, but it will get saying.
26:22
Women. Women need to stay at the table,
26:24
yes. And the more and the more.
26:25
Tools that take women away from the table, the more likely women
26:29
will not be at the table in conversations.
26:32
And so that's a, that's a, that's a huge deal, right?
26:35
But she's gotten. A lot of backlash over just and
26:39
saying kind of embracing AI is not really technically embracing
26:44
it. But yeah, she's gotten a lot of
26:45
backlash over the whole AI thing and even even mentioning that
26:50
you should be knowledgeable and get to learn it and blah blah
26:53
blah. People are just just ripping her
26:57
apart for that. And so I don't think that's
27:00
necessarily fair. I think, yes, we should all be
27:02
aware of AI. We should know what it can do
27:05
and what it can't do. Which a few weeks ago it kept
27:10
telling me that Chuck Norris and Robert Mueller were not dead
27:15
when in fact they were dead. And I was literally arguing with
27:19
it, telling it like, yes, yet. But remember that whole Chuck
27:23
Norris dead hoax thing? And so it kept reverting to
27:27
that. And I'm like, no, I, I would
27:29
tell it like, they are dead. And finally, I think after like
27:34
3 or 4 times of me telling it like, yes, they are dead, it
27:38
finally it got the little bubble where it's like searching the
27:41
Internet and then it pops up like, Oh yeah, they are dead.
27:44
And, and I was like, yeah, no shit.
27:47
Like, well, again, if you like, if you get any information, any
27:52
important information, you have to ask it for its site, its
27:56
references and where it's, its sources, because it will lie to
28:00
you. It will lie to you and it will
28:02
tell you that it's lying to you. Well.
28:05
But but that's being educated, that's being knowledgeable,
28:09
right? A.
28:10
Lot of people don't know that though.
28:11
That's that's I. Feel like I, I feel like that's
28:13
on them. You know, I remember, I remember
28:16
I was doing a live broadcast and Patty sent me a text and she
28:19
goes, she goes Willie Nelson died.
28:20
I said he did not. And then I went online and there
28:24
was nothing like, like TMZ usually is on top of it.
28:28
There was nothing about Willie Nelson dying.
28:29
So I sent a text back. I said it's not, it's nowhere.
28:33
And then she goes, and then she goes, Oh my God, it's AI
28:35
generated or something, you know?
28:37
Now Michael J. Michael J Fox just had a hoax
28:39
about him passing away. That that no, that made huge
28:42
news. And Michael J Fox had to come
28:44
out and say, Hey, I'm still alive, still here, guys.
28:46
So but but you got it. I mean, I think AI serves its
28:50
purpose. And I I'm I'm kind of on Reese
28:53
Withers. OK, Well, even from anything and
28:55
everything that we do, you can't, you can't ignore the
28:59
impact of what AI can do, you know, and what it will progress.
29:04
I mean, it will get even better. Well, you're not going to stop.
29:07
It no. At the end of the day.
29:09
At the end of the day, the wealthy will use whatever it
29:13
takes to eliminate working bonds.
29:17
That. At the end of the day, and it's
29:19
gotten to the point to where what call centers are now going
29:22
to be AI automated. I saw the most crazy thing.
29:26
I think we discussed this. Did we not discuss this?
29:29
They had AI Ashley in Portland. Yes, I think we've.
29:33
Talked about because you've also mentioned the new program that
29:39
you that you were like testing out or had a little demo about
29:42
the people that were all access like the like the.
29:46
AI. Radio, but right but there and
29:48
I. Want to say the station is in
29:50
you're going to laugh. I think it's in Phoenix, Yeah.
29:52
We're we're just talking about or is it?
29:55
Yeah, I think it's in Phoenix. Where is that?
29:57
Where AI? Ashley was no AI Ashley.
29:59
Was in Portland, OK. You know.
30:01
But but here, OK, and I don't want to defend AI Ashley by any
30:05
means because I don't think so. So what's crazy about AI?
30:08
Yes, it'll get better. So AI Ashley now she's not on
30:11
there anymore because it didn't work out for him.
30:13
OK, so so so they actually had some of that did the show.
30:16
Her name was Ashley. Now when Ashley wasn't
30:19
available, she went by the name AI Ashley.
30:22
So. So she would take over.
30:24
Right, so AI. Ashley would take over and
30:26
Ashley called this Taylor Swift winner and so AIAI Ashley called
30:31
right so it can it can dial out it can call the listener and so
30:35
she's talking to this listener AI Ashley is this listener is
30:39
freaking out because she's won Taylor Swift tickets right right
30:42
but the AI is so level monotone there's no excitement there's
30:48
no. Emotion AI and robots can't
30:51
replicate that emotion we as humans so even though.
30:55
And so the question is, does the listener even care?
31:00
No, not when they're. Winning Taylor Swift.
31:02
She won Taylor Swift, so. She's happy but but she had no
31:05
idea she was talking to a robot because.
31:08
Because it. It did respond to the person
31:11
talking. It was very.
31:14
Very flat. Yeah, very flat.
31:16
You know, like she's like, my God.
31:18
And she goes like, thank you. And she goes you're, you know,
31:20
like, you're welcome. Like, almost like
31:22
congratulations. You're welcome.
31:24
Almost like Hal. From 2010 Space Odyssey, you
31:27
know, So yeah, so I'm with Reese in terms of OK, AI is not going
31:33
away, no. So.
31:35
So it's the. Same thing as when we started
31:36
radio broadcasting. When I first got started in
31:38
radio it was 2 turntables, a microphone, what looked like 8
31:42
track players and vinyl records. Period there.
31:46
Was no computer. There was no real.
31:48
I mean, there was no computer. There was no computers.
31:51
There was no automation, no nothing.
31:54
And so as each of these have come along, I have learned that
31:57
technology and and I and I remember he sadly passed away.
32:03
Hutch, who one of my favorite people on the entire planet.
32:07
This is many years ago but he literally said I will not voice
32:10
track. Oh, because.
32:12
It's not radio. So, so sadly, guess what
32:15
happened to Hutch? He was gone.
32:18
He got let go. Because no, because you have to.
32:23
Learn and adapt, otherwise you die.
32:26
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
32:27
And and and and dying on that sword isn't worth it, right?
32:31
Like like there's, there's no sword.
32:34
I, I always say, what are you defending?
32:36
What are you defending? I, I just want some people.
32:38
It is. Though I mean, if that is what
32:40
they like, if if that's their deal breaker, no, I'm not going
32:45
to voice track. There was.
32:47
When I was working in Yakima Cats, we had a program director
32:51
that he would get monitored and he'd play, let's say a brand new
32:54
song in morning drive. And the director of programming
32:56
says, I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear new songs
32:58
in morning drive because morning drive is familiar songs, you
33:02
know, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, we go, well, I go,
33:04
well, I'm the program because, well, I'm the director of
33:06
program. I'm telling you, don't play.
33:07
He goes, he goes from midnight to five.
33:10
You can play whatever the F you want.
33:11
I don't care. So if you want to expose new
33:14
music all five hours, I don't care.
33:16
You know, and this program director is so arrogant that his
33:20
refusal got him fired because no, it got him fired because
33:25
it's like now any normal person would say, you know what, I am
33:28
going to play my favorite songs midnight to five because he said
33:30
so, right, midnight to five. But because he's so arrogant,
33:35
no, I'm going to I'm going to play.
33:36
This is what the this is what the audience wants.
33:38
The director of programming said no, it's not.
33:42
And now he no longer. Has a programming job and
33:45
another guy that's out of radio. Shocker.
33:48
Because he had. Done radio for a lot of years
33:51
and this was kind of and he had a couple more places he ended up
33:54
ended up going to in radio and finally he's just out for good
33:57
because his brain can't connect with today.
34:03
And I'm like. I'm like, man, that is not a
34:04
sword you want to die on. He's like, you know, it's like,
34:07
I don't, I don't take any pride in it.
34:09
But if someone walked in tomorrow and said, hey, we're
34:11
going to do ABC, guess what? You're doing it.
34:14
We're doing AB and. C You know, self preservation is
34:18
way more important than at this point in my life than oh, we
34:22
have to play this song. What now?
34:26
I learned that in Seattle in 1996, so I'm good.
34:29
So you learned that a long time. Ago the heart You do you do you
34:32
learn. That so it's one of those things
34:33
where I don't know what storage you're dying on.
34:35
So when it comes to again, Michelle, when it comes to AI,
34:38
it's like I, I do think women need a voice.
34:40
I think they need to be at the table.
34:42
I use ChatGPT. Megan uses it.
34:46
I, I, I'll write a letter and I'll put it through chat and
34:48
say, hey, clean this up, Polish it up right or spell.
34:51
Check it or whatever it there's so many.
34:53
There's so many great uses as as long as you're using it right,
34:57
yes, yeah. So.
34:58
So I don't, yeah. So, and, and even from the
35:00
artistic standpoint, you know, it's like which is that whole.
35:06
Val Kilmer, he is AI generated for this upcoming movie.
35:11
But before he died, he gave permission, like he wanted this
35:15
to happen and he went to their union.
35:17
Like you were talking about their union that they have.
35:20
He went to their union and specifically got their
35:22
permission. And they were like, yes.
35:25
And so that is the right steps to use AI and to ask about using
35:31
AI instead of these deep fakes and all that kind of stuff that
35:34
keep popping up. Yeah, I think.
35:36
I, I, I think as long as they've got permission, I know, I know
35:40
that there's, you know what, what's really changed in the
35:43
industry from the movie industry is where they would hire
35:46
hundreds, hundreds of extras. Now they can just digitally put
35:50
the extras in for AI. And it does, it does take, it
35:52
does take jobs. It takes, it's sad it, it takes
35:56
jobs away. And, but, but look at the coal
35:59
industry. I mean, do you keep the coal
36:01
industry running as harmful it is to the environment because
36:05
it's 3000 jobs? I'm not.
36:07
I mean they. Currently are trying to
36:08
revitalize it. I get it but.
36:10
But it's like, you know, but it but it's, it's because of
36:14
nostalgia, right And not. Nostalgia, it's what's the, it's
36:20
what's good for the environment. It's not good for the
36:23
environment. It's good.
36:24
It's not good for workers. And look at all the black lung
36:26
that has happened to some of these workers and I, I.
36:30
My biggest disagreement was I hate the fact more than anything
36:34
else. Decisions are made, in my humble
36:37
opinion, to take care of the 1%. Yeah, and that's exactly why.
36:42
AI is to take is to replace wages because that's the number
36:46
one cost for all these companies is wages and so if they can
36:50
eliminate workers, then they're golden Well so a big.
36:53
News for you guys out of Yakima is Khaimah moved out of your
36:59
market, which is kind of television, It's the last that
37:02
was there. Not to say that they don't have
37:03
a, not to say they don't have one or two salespeople in the
37:06
market, probably do and they have a couple.
37:08
Reporters. But that's also what NBC and ABC
37:10
have done for years. They only have reporters here,
37:14
right? And that's.
37:14
It that's it. And if there's a story, they're
37:16
going to drive up from tri-cities and do it.
37:18
So and so you, you shut down the facility, you sell the land.
37:22
Yeah. You know, so we're.
37:24
Seeing that in our my own industry where it's like, hey,
37:26
there's going to come a day. I would not be shocked in the
37:28
next 5 years that Yakima and tri-cities are technically the
37:33
same group. Now, I don't know which one's
37:34
going to win in terms of where the stations are actually going
37:37
to be. But don't be shocked if it's one
37:39
or the other. Don't be shocked, you know, And
37:43
fewer bodies. Oh yeah.
37:46
So there's barely. Anybody now?
37:47
So yeah, there isn't there. Isn't so they'll be, they'll be
37:50
like, let's say 10 radio station and two people there, right?
37:54
Which is crazy. It is, but again, it benefits
37:57
the stockholders or it benefits the, the the CEO on top.
38:01
And so and so if you're fortunate, fortunate enough to
38:04
survive, then hey, you're the lucky 1.
38:06
But but Trump, but then also trying to hold on to something
38:10
you're not, you're just not going to win the battle.
38:12
You know I mean I. Already think it's ridiculous
38:15
Disney just had massive layoffs with Marvel.
38:18
That was a huge news news thing. Their their entire what CGI
38:23
part? CGI department gone.
38:27
Oh, was it I? Just knew they did layoffs, I
38:30
didn't know what exactly. So Marvel movies.
38:32
With all the CGI. So that obviously means they're
38:35
outsourcing it to somewhere like India, wherever it's going,
38:38
wherever it's going somewhere. Cheaper, yeah, you know.
38:41
And then again and, and but again, it's because those people
38:44
live in LA and so that means I got to pay somebody $150,000
38:48
even to survive in LA. And so it's just, it's just
38:54
crazy. I mean, but yeah, so I'm with
38:58
Reese. I understand what they're
38:59
saying. I think if you get permission,
39:00
that's the only, that's the only way around it.
39:02
I don't. I just think the audience at the
39:05
end of the day doesn't care that I think.
39:07
I think that's the problem with with anything and everything
39:09
that we're encountering is the audience accepts it right for
39:15
the. Majority.
39:16
It doesn't affect their. Life, right?
39:19
Yeah, so. I know.
39:21
A lot of the younger, so Gen. Z, you know, Jackson and
39:25
Shaylee's generation, alpha generation, they are kind of
39:29
almost revolting against AI. It's kind of weird to me because
39:34
I'm like, usually you guys are embracing all this kind of
39:37
stuff, but they really seem to be completely against it in
39:40
every wave shape and form, which is surprising to me.
39:43
So I mean, not all of them, but it's going to get so.
39:47
Good. You won't be able to tell.
39:49
Oh yeah, it. Already is close, yeah.
39:51
I'm saying give it 5, give it five years.
39:53
Yeah. Now the the sad thing again is
39:55
the normal people, 90% of them don't know the difference
40:00
between AII mean they think this stuff's real.
40:02
They just do, you know, they, they see it.
40:05
They see, you know, Obama sitting down with the dictator,
40:07
and they're like, Yep, that's real.
40:09
Only because you want it to be real, but it's not real, you
40:11
know, and I'll even flip it on the flip side, hey, I'm not a
40:13
Donald Trump fan. I am not at all, period.
40:16
I also disagree. I also disagree with this
40:19
disparaging him as well with something that you know but with
40:22
him more likely it's true, but right.
40:26
You know, for the most part, he really said something.
40:28
Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah.
40:30
The good news with him, you don't need AI.
40:32
He that that shit writes itself. He does it for you.
40:35
Like every day I wake up going OK, what do you do today?
40:37
OK, this can't be so so yeah, so it's it's crazy.
40:43
And I also not to get political because we'll stay off.
40:45
I also feel though, and I know you disagree, you disagree with
40:49
me, you disagree with me. But I will say this, I think,
40:55
I'm not saying there's not other crazy Republicans, but I'm
40:58
saying that once Trump is out of office, I think the acceptance
41:03
of another crazy Repub is, I don't think it's good or even a
41:07
crazy Democrat. I think it's going to be a lot
41:10
harder hill to climb, a lot harder of a hill to climb.
41:13
I really have said this before, it is Trump who they follow, not
41:18
the GOP, not the Republican Party.
41:20
I don't know their rabidness. Their rabidness is towards Trump
41:25
because if it wasn't, they wouldn't be losing a lot of
41:28
these House races and all these different things that they're
41:30
losing right now, right? But even Trump has come out and
41:34
said, you know, he's midterms are coming.
41:36
He's worried, but. I feel like it's that next
41:39
person can step in and say the kind of not exactly be him, but
41:45
say the kind of things and make them feel like them being racist
41:50
and all that kind of make them feel good about themselves and
41:53
all the hatred that they project.
41:56
Then they will, they will be in, they won't.
41:58
They eat that stuff up, I think. I think he is.
42:02
I'm going to give him his due. I think he's unique.
42:04
I think he's one-of-a-kind. I don't think Eric Junior.
42:09
Or. Don Junior or whatever, I don't
42:10
think any of them are even close to that level of you know what
42:15
I'm saying? You can't, you can't do what he
42:18
does. I mean, he I mean, give him his
42:20
credit. It's fucked up, but give him his
42:22
due. There is nobody like him.
42:24
And I think that that's that same as Charles Manson, same as,
42:28
you know, Jim Crow. What was it?
42:30
Was it was it? Fingers crossed.
42:32
No, it is fingers. Crossed because I look across
42:34
right now, even on, you know, even on who's there, you know,
42:38
and I'm like, I mean, there are people that are still cuckoo for
42:41
Cocoa Puffs. There's still Robert Kennedy
42:43
Junior and stuff, but they don't have, they don't have the the
42:50
charisma for some. I don't now trust me, I'm not.
42:53
I I, I, I don't like it, but I'm saying I don't think again, I
42:57
don't think it's charisma. It's the fact that he gives
42:59
everybody the OK to be racist and hateful.
43:03
So you think JD Vance? You think JD Vance is just going
43:06
to walk? I mean, I'm not just.
43:08
Throwing. It out there?
43:09
No, but. Maybe like a Marjorie Taylor
43:12
Green, she kind of has them. I'm on her side.
43:14
Right now. Well, yeah, I know.
43:16
I never thought that day would come we would agree with her.
43:19
She just put out a great Did you read her most recent?
43:22
Was it about the? Assassination.
43:24
Yes, all of that. There was a there was a good one
43:26
today where she's like this, you guys are all being buffaloed and
43:29
then let's just go. She is just going to town, which
43:32
she's. Smart if she's going to get
43:34
everyone under her umbrella, that's the way to do it so I got
43:39
to give it to her but I hey but. I give her I give her I I
43:44
appreciate her by the fact that she learned she she got her hand
43:51
bit. She got her hand, bit.
43:53
She she, she said she. Idolized the man, she worshipped
43:57
the man. She kneeled before the man.
44:00
She kneeled before the guy. And the minute that she said
44:03
something that he did not like, it was an instant detachment.
44:08
And you're a piece of shit right now.
44:10
He's going off about what? Oh my gosh.
44:12
Carlson. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
44:15
I mean huge. I'm surprised he hasn't.
44:17
Laura Ingraham. I was surprised he hasn't
44:19
attacked that which I just saw. Tucker was like, yeah, I regret
44:23
this is like just yesterday. He regrets everything for Trump.
44:27
And, and it's hard because I, we have people in the Democratic
44:31
Party that are like, you know, oh, we should embrace these
44:33
people. We should blah, blah, blah,
44:35
blah, blah. No.
44:35
People. Oh, no.
44:36
And it's like, no. We should not like just because
44:39
they're saying this stuff doesn't mean that they didn't
44:42
agree with most of what he had, you know, stood for.
44:46
It's like, no, these people are not changing.
44:49
They're still at the core people that we disagree with or don't
44:54
like. They're still fundamentally not
44:57
good people. I love the.
44:58
Fact that Will Wheaton, Will Wheaton, who I love from Star
45:02
Trek, right, was talking about Tucker Carlson and he was right
45:07
underneath Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson was going off on
45:09
Trump da da da and he just writes underneath it.
45:11
He's like, don't forget he goes, he goes we we have not forgotten
45:16
where you know, where your loyalties lie and just because
45:18
you are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
45:20
And he goes so you and he literally goes so you can F off,
45:23
you know? Yeah, yeah.
45:25
So. Anyway, she writes, yeah, so the
45:27
debt goes higher, you know, this list goes on.
45:30
She has a great hey, give her credit, man.
45:33
I'm not saying I I'm not voting for her, but but I am liking, I
45:36
am liking the splintering of MAGA for sure.
45:39
I'm here with the popcorn, Michael Jackson and the popcorn.
45:42
I know me. Too.
45:43
Which are you going to go see? Michael Jackson I don't know.
45:46
I probably won't go to the. Theater.
45:48
I'll probably wait until I can watch it at home so well the.
45:53
Rotten tomato score is out and it's not good.
45:57
It's 34%. Yeah, so the.
46:01
Yeah, so. Now there still needs to be
46:04
more, more reviews on it, more reviews on it, but they said
46:09
it's still not going to get to the fresh.
46:12
So. Right now it's 32% with 85
46:15
reviews. Wow.
46:17
So. And what's interesting, I was
46:20
watching some reviews about the movie is it is a great move.
46:24
I mean, his nephew just crushes it as Michael Jackson.
46:27
There's a young kid who crushes it at Michael.
46:29
It is not that these, as the reviewers say, the people are
46:32
incredibly talented, right? It's not the acting.
46:35
No, it's none. Of that, what's interesting is
46:38
it's a snapshot of Michael, but it does not dwell into any of is
46:44
idiosyncrasies or any of the so the the executive producers are
46:49
the is the Jackson family, his kids.
46:51
Like, I know it's like Prince, he was like one of the executive
46:54
producers because I saw a little piece about it, about how in the
46:57
beginning they had some of the molestation stuff in it, and
47:02
then they had to go back and recut all that out and they
47:05
spent like 10 to $15 million having to recut it.
47:09
I was like, damn. Yeah, they were talking the.
47:11
Legality. So what what they had done, the
47:13
original cut had its end with the start of the allegations and
47:18
that was ending. And now they they've ended it
47:21
with the bad tour, like like the end of the bad tour.
47:25
And then and they even said legally and all these different
47:27
things, what they were not allowed to do.
47:30
So they reverse course on like you said, and spent 10 to 15,
47:32
you know, reshot it, whatever they had to do.
47:35
So they kind of had to, you know, so it's like it's it's a
47:39
good biopic. I'm sure I haven't seen it, but
47:41
I'm sure it's going to be amazing.
47:42
It's going to have amazing dancing, amazing songs, you
47:45
know, all the life story of Michael Jackson, but they're
47:48
leaving out big chunks that you want to know about.
47:51
Yes. Are you?
47:52
Going to go see it in the theater or no I'll.
47:54
I'll I'm not a you know me. I'm not a unless it's unless
47:57
it's Richard Page of Mr. Misters biopic or you know.
48:01
Superman or one of those kind of things, you know.
48:04
I am fascinated by it, but, but I, I never saw the Elton John
48:07
one or the Bohemian Rhapsody one and all that.
48:10
I don't unless it's like somebody I really want that I'm
48:12
interested in. I mean, I do remember VH ones
48:15
behind the music, you know, those kind of things.
48:17
I used to love all those things. I don't.
48:19
I mean, for me on a biography, I just need an hour.
48:22
I don't need 2 1/2 hours of no. You know, and not to say.
48:26
That it's not going to be good, but man, it's already getting a
48:28
whole if it's getting bad reviews.
48:30
Yeah, that's crazy. That's not a good sign because.
48:32
Bohemian Rhapsody got amazing reviews.
48:35
Yeah. And, and I think, I think the
48:37
reason now, I don't quote me, but I think the reason is
48:40
because the Michael, the, the Jackson family is too close to
48:43
it. Oh no, I think in terms in terms
48:47
in terms because because for me, and I do have the movie, I
48:50
absolutely love it. The movie this is It's.
48:54
I own that one. With Michael Jackson, when he
48:56
did his last tour with Orient, with Orienthy and man, it made
49:00
me realize what how incredible Michael Jackson, I mean, there
49:04
is. There's nobody like my
49:05
performer. There's nobody like.
49:08
Michael Jackson as a performer, like, no, his he is once again,
49:12
I mean, once in a lifetime, once in a generation, when you see
49:16
and even when you see him, even when he's rehearsing and not
49:20
full Michael Jackson, you're like, Oh my God, he's a he's a
49:22
genius. He's a genius.
49:25
So I enjoy it. Did you ever see the movie This
49:27
is it with Michael Jackson? Oh, love it, love it.
49:30
Just a fantastic, you know, So to me, it's like I don't need to
49:33
see another concert video. I mean, for us Gen.
49:38
Xers, I think the music and stuff is reliving our youth.
49:42
Like that would be the only reason a lot of us would go see
49:44
it. Like you said, the music in it,
49:47
especially if it's not going to be really truthful or dive into
49:51
all the juicy stuff that we want to know about in his life.
49:54
Well, I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot to unpack
49:56
with with him as a person and I and they don't unpack it.
49:58
It's not that. And they do circle around it,
50:01
touch on it, but. Not yeah, but it's really.
50:04
You really want to get into this, you know, because that I,
50:08
I am in, I am in the club that anything is possible.
50:15
But I'd like to think that he did not do the things they say
50:17
he did. And the reason why I, I'm in
50:19
that club is I really do believe Peter Pan syndrome.
50:24
I really believe oh 100%. That that.
50:27
Because of his horrific childhood with his dad expecting
50:31
and demanding perfection, it broke him.
50:33
I do believe Michael Jackson was broken.
50:35
I do believe that 100%. And so do I believe that he had
50:39
a childlike mentality to where he would go, come on, kids, come
50:43
on. You know, and that's, and I know
50:45
that was the message he was trying to send.
50:47
You know, Hey, Logan, Logan slept in our bed until he was,
50:51
gosh, I think he was a toddler at least.
50:52
You know, and people like don't, don't let your kids sleep in the
50:55
bed. Now, I think Logan, oh gosh,
50:59
until he was 4. So I don't know how.
51:01
I mean, we had a big king size bed.
51:03
It wasn't like tiny bed. So we had the dog, we had the
51:07
cat, we had Logan in the bed. And I know a lot that their kids
51:10
sleep with him. Until they're 8 to 12 years old,
51:12
right? Yeah.
51:13
Yeah. So I mean, so so to me, it's
51:16
like I'm going to I'm going to take the Michael side of it.
51:19
That that I do believe that that number 1, he had broke the wrong
51:24
people around him. He was very well known for if
51:28
people, if kids were sick, they, you know, they could Neverland,
51:32
I mean the list goes on and on. So, so and you know, he was
51:36
never convicted so. Right.
51:39
But he was. Never convicted beyond a, beyond
51:41
a shadow of a doubt. And to me, that's the, that's
51:44
the, that's the proof in the pudding for me.
51:46
Beyond a shadow of a doubt. We've talked about this.
51:48
Before where I've said as a parent, you know, the first
51:52
allegations just kind they settled, they he paid, he paid
51:58
them off. And as a parent, right.
52:00
And as a parent, it would be, I don't give a fuck how much money
52:04
you're giving me. Like I want like you want this
52:07
to stop for for one, like you don't want him to keep on doing
52:11
this, but you want some kind of justice for your own children.
52:16
It would not be monetary justice that I would want.
52:19
I would I would not care about that money.
52:21
And so for me, that's really hard to reconcile as a parent.
52:25
Like, like, something smells a little bit fishy with this
52:29
because me as a parent, I would not take the money.
52:32
And so I'm kind of like, I don't think these parents were on the
52:36
up and up. Like, yeah, like, yeah, they're
52:38
probably lying. Whatever it was.
52:41
Macaulay Culkin. Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman,
52:45
right? I mean, the list goes on and on.
52:46
Who knew? Slept over at his play.
52:49
The list goes on. Corey Feldman.
52:51
Like been waffling back and forth like didn't he recently
52:54
say like oh something not that I'm aware of.
52:56
He he has said he was he was raped by other executives.
53:00
Oh, maybe not. Corey, I meant Corey.
53:02
Haim was yes, Yes he is. He's been very vocal about
53:06
sexual abuse. But not with Michael, OK?
53:09
Not. With Michael, I've heard.
53:10
No, no, I, No, I Not with Michael.
53:12
I'll I'll have to go research it again, but not with Michael, but
53:16
other executives Absolutely 100% said he was abused and taken
53:19
advantage of it as a child. I believe that.
53:21
Yeah, but but. Macaulay Culkin.
53:23
He's well, Macaulay is the God godfather of the children,
53:27
right? Yeah.
53:28
You know. So, so it's, it's, it's just
53:32
hard for me to, to wrap my head around it.
53:35
Many years ago, many years ago in high school, I had my
53:38
favorite teacher of all time got accused of sexual assaults or
53:43
you know, and the accuser, we all knew who the accuser was.
53:47
Now, this teacher when I went to school was incredibly popular.
53:50
I mean, and again, do not, do not burn me at the stake for
53:56
what I'm going to say here. He was incredibly popular as a
53:59
teacher. He was high fiving the jocks.
54:01
The cheerleaders loved him. I mean, he was an incredibly
54:04
popular teacher. And so the accusation came from
54:08
somebody that right. And so, and he, we work
54:15
actually, he went to work at Pepsi years later.
54:17
We he was my idol. So we actually worked at radio
54:20
for like a blip. He was on the radio, He did the
54:23
morning show at the station I was working at for a blip.
54:25
He was, he was my, he was my communications teacher.
54:27
He was my speech teacher in high school.
54:29
So I'm a huge like my mannerisms come from him, that the way I
54:33
act on the radio come from him. So I'm I'm just a fan and, and
54:38
to me, I've never been able to reconcile.
54:40
No charges were ever filed. But but he no, but he was not a
54:44
teacher anymore, right? He wouldn't be able to.
54:45
Teach, right? Yeah, I don't know, but.
54:47
But there was never a lawsuit. He was never nothing happened.
54:50
So not even like. Civil like nothing.
54:54
Nothing. He just, he just did not come
54:56
back to school. He did not come back to school.
54:59
Now the girl that made the accusation basically got chased
55:03
out of school too. She did, you know, and so, but
55:08
my my struggle with it was I know the family.
55:12
I know this person that that made the accusation.
55:14
She it's it's like my sister Lisa, who I don't I, I, I don't
55:20
believe my sister. The shit my sister, the shit my
55:23
sister says. I can't believe.
55:27
Her whole life. Has been nothing but that.
55:31
Nothing but. That So how do you reconcile the
55:35
truth of what could have happened?
55:38
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it didn't happen right it
55:40
very well. Could have been true, but how do
55:43
you? Reconcile that with all the
55:45
facts that you've got when a person has A and I, hey, I've
55:49
always been in the same boat. Believe the woman always.
55:51
I mean, I've always been in that boat.
55:53
I've always been in that boat. Believe the child, believe the
55:56
woman. What people are nefarious.
56:01
People have their reasons for doing what they do.
56:03
So you cannot 100% say every single time.
56:07
Yeah, and for the Michael? Jackson thing, it's like, yeah,
56:09
they walked away with 20 million.
56:11
Yeah. What were those?
56:12
Parents thinking and after you have your own children, then
56:15
it's even more clear you're like what in the world and.
56:19
Why? And the story's gone back and
56:20
forth between those people. They've also said they've
56:25
they've waffled on the story. They're like, you know, so, so
56:28
yes, I'm, I'm in the boat. You are.
56:30
Someone molested my child. Well, number one, they probably
56:34
did. I was going to say we'd
56:34
probably. Kill him ourselves and then we
56:37
would go to jail. But yes, we're going to.
56:39
Jail for murder and we won't get convicted on it because we took
56:41
him, took the SOB out. So yes, I struggle so I struggle
56:45
with that. So I just think the Michael
56:46
movie doesn't dwell enough into right all the juicy.
56:50
Stuff we want to know about Well, just the broke you.
56:52
Know, I really believe Michael Jackson, as brilliant brilliant
56:55
as he was like most artists was, was broken by his father well
57:00
and most. Artists are weird, like all the
57:03
artists that we've had a chance to meet or be around, They're
57:06
eccentric, weird people just at who they are.
57:11
That's just I think. That's just what.
57:13
Makes them talented and artsy and I think the more brilliant
57:17
the. More brilliant they are, the
57:19
more they're more like weird. Well, we must not.
57:26
I don't know how, I don't know how brilliant or talented we
57:30
are. So I I don't know where we lie
57:33
in that on a. Scale of 1 to 10A1.
57:38
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