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Inside Scoop with Breitbart News - Frances Martel · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: At six if anybody carc de talk station. It's Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: and it's always made a better Tuesday because we get
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  Speaker 1: to talk to Breitbart get the inside scoop, and I
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  Speaker 1: always start by recommending Breitbart dot com, b R E
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  Speaker 1: I T B A RT dot com where you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: read what Francis Martel, who is the international editor, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the Morning show. Francis. It's always a pleasure
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  Speaker 1: having you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Francis, maybe you have the inside scoop because
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking high and low in every news site and
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  Speaker 1: organization I can find. Apparently Trump already signed off on
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  Speaker 1: this agreement with the Iranians, and the Iranians either scheduled
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  Speaker 1: to or already have agreed that they're going to sign it,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps on Friday. Uh do you have any idea what
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  Speaker 1: it says, Francis, because the text of the agreement is
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  Speaker 1: suspiciously absent from media reporting, and I really like to
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  Speaker 1: know if we're gonna sign something, what's in it? You know,
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  Speaker 1: A mean why that hasn't been released?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, because they're gonna have a big signing ceremony
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, and so what the White House is that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to release the full text a little bit
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  Speaker 2: after that. I think it's really just to have everyone's
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  Speaker 2: attention on Friday and to up the drama, and it
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  Speaker 2: also kind of allows for some leeway if anything goes
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  Speaker 2: wrong between here and Friday. But yes, it's impressive that
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  Speaker 2: actually that the text hasn't leaked on either side, right
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  Speaker 2: the same Iranian state media but also the White House,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't really seen. We've seen, you know, guesses, but
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  Speaker 2: not really anything concrete where someone has looked to the text.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's funny because that maybe the only point
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  Speaker 1: of absolute agreement in the United States and the Iranian
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  Speaker 1: officials have right now is to not release the text. Wow. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, when you're trying to negotiate with somebody,
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  Speaker 1: always spring from a point of agreement. So at least
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  Speaker 1: we've got that going for us. But the devil seems
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  Speaker 1: to be massively in the details. As it's been widely reported,
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  Speaker 1: the Straight of Horror moves will be open, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess that involves the Iranians promising to not bomb things
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  Speaker 1: going through the Strait of Horror moves, the removal of
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  Speaker 1: the minds et cetera, but also US opening up their ports.
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  Speaker 1: So if we go there, then everything else needs to
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  Speaker 1: be negotiated over what has been described as a sixty
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  Speaker 1: day period, which be nuclear weapons, the missile program, and
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  Speaker 1: the whole idea of will the Iranians be charged? It's
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  Speaker 1: not tolls anymore, Francis, it's fees. So there's a huge
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  Speaker 1: difference enter the Ministry of Truth in George orwell so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm just struggling to see. This
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  Speaker 1: sounds like an extension of the cease fire that we
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  Speaker 1: apparently have been in with the Iranians for months, although
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  Speaker 1: we do still blow each other up from time to time,
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  Speaker 1: ignoring that, But is there really much more than that
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  Speaker 1: other than getting the straight open to provide some economic
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  Speaker 1: relief to the United States and the price of gas
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the world and everything else we need.
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  Speaker 2: That is the biggest part by far, and the thing
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  Speaker 2: that actually gives me a little hope that this deal
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  Speaker 2: won't be immediately broken is exactly how narrow it is.
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  Speaker 2: The objective of the deal is essentially to remove all
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  Speaker 2: third parties from being involved in this, right with countries
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  Speaker 2: like China, like South Korea, like India that have been
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  Speaker 2: really hurt economically tremendously by the Straight of Horn Moods situation.
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  Speaker 2: So the goal of step one seems to be stop
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  Speaker 2: hurting or involving countries that really have nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with this, particularly in East Asia, and then we go
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  Speaker 2: from there, and that's what the sixty day period is about, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so I do think that we can at least
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  Speaker 2: hold to that, if only because China has really been
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  Speaker 2: the most economically besides Iran hurt by the Straight of
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  Speaker 2: Hornmoo situation. They're Iran's top oil clients. They purchase a
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  Speaker 2: lot of natural gas and other fossil fuels from the
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  Speaker 2: Gulf States. So China has really been behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: pressuring Iran and not so behind the scenes. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Chi Jinping's personally made a call for the Straight of
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  Speaker 2: Horn Moods to open in a phone call with the
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  Speaker 2: Crown Princess Audi Arabia, Mohammad Vinzalman, which is the most
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  Speaker 2: you know, the most insulting way that you can sort
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  Speaker 2: of tell Iran to do something is to use Saudi
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  Speaker 2: Arabia as the mediator. So China has been vocally calling
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  Speaker 2: for this to stop, and Iran really can't afford to
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  Speaker 2: lose the alliance with China because that's the only country
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  Speaker 2: that both is big enough to buy enough of their
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  Speaker 2: oil and also cares does not care about US sanctions
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  Speaker 2: because you know, Russia doesn't care about US sanctions either.
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  Speaker 2: Russia has its own oil. They're not going to buy
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  Speaker 2: Iranian oil. So I think that's really the leverage here
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  Speaker 2: that's going to make it at least make this step
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  Speaker 2: work and take us to a step two where global
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  Speaker 2: commerce is ineffected gas prices go down.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this sounds to me. I guess I have to
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  Speaker 1: think about it. China and India have very substantial, substantial militaries.
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  Speaker 1: They have a lot of military hardware, bombs and airplanes,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. If they really wanted the straight up horror
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  Speaker 1: moves open and they wanted a future without having to
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  Speaker 1: pay the Iranians a toll for every time a boat
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  Speaker 1: goes through, you think they might to step up and
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  Speaker 1: maybe render a little assistance and just wipe the regime
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  Speaker 1: out in order to open it up and not have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about the straight being closed someday in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Because the Iranians know full well since they've got drones
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  Speaker 1: and these little speedboats. They've been able to fend off
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  Speaker 1: America's biggest military of the United States and prevent them
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  Speaker 1: from opening up the Straight because we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: lose all of our you know, aircraft carriers and alike.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that. So they have a lever over
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  Speaker 1: our heads that they never had before the epic Fury
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  Speaker 1: thing even started. What's your take on that sort of analysis, Francis.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, India and China are both allied with
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  Speaker 2: around through the Bricks platform, which is basically an anti
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  Speaker 2: American coalition of Roque states. You know, Russia's in there,
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  Speaker 2: but you've also got actors like Brazil that are kind
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  Speaker 2: of you know, neutral to anti American, and Bricks has
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  Speaker 2: essentially been completely devastated by this war because the UAE
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  Speaker 2: is also in bricks. So this war was the first
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  Speaker 2: time that you had two bricks countries actively bombing each other,
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  Speaker 2: which completely undermines the point of bricks, which is that
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  Speaker 2: we're all going to unite to destroy the United States
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  Speaker 2: and you know, and American hegemony and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So if things are already bad enough for Bricks, if
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  Speaker 2: China and India started using their militaries actively against Iranian interests.
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  Speaker 2: I think that would that would end bricks completely, and
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  Speaker 2: so nobody wants to do that because ultimately the long
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  Speaker 2: term point of bricks is to have a global currency
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  Speaker 2: and to undermine the United States, and those goals are
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  Speaker 2: bigger than what's happening now. The other issue with those
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  Speaker 2: two countries is they have very large militaries, but they're
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  Speaker 2: very large infantries. The Indian Navy and the Chinese Navy
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  Speaker 2: are well behind the American Navy. You know, China's trying
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  Speaker 2: to build its second aircraft carrier and they're you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's taking them forever and there's all these hurdles to it,
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  Speaker 2: and even their their infantry, to be honest, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the biggest one in the world, but they just
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  Speaker 2: constantly have problems with poorly trained and not physically soldiers
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  Speaker 2: and they're trying to you know, they put all this
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  Speaker 2: work into their education system to try to get their
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  Speaker 2: men to be more fit so that they can fight
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  Speaker 2: in the military. So they are, you know, two of
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  Speaker 2: the most formidable militaries in the world by far, but
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  Speaker 2: they are also like significantly behind a military like ours
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  Speaker 2: or honestly, even like Ukraine's at this point, which has
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  Speaker 2: so much real world.
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  Speaker 1: Experience, wonderful response. You know, I've got to contemplate so
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  Speaker 1: much more than just exist on its face. I just
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  Speaker 1: keep thinking, Look, Iran's a thorn on everybody's side, obviously
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  Speaker 1: causing problems for China in India. But China and India
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  Speaker 1: like Iran being a thorn in our side, So they're
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  Speaker 1: willing to deal with the harm caused by the regime
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  Speaker 1: that they're friends with, even though it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: they might have leverage over that regime to just stop
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  Speaker 1: it and and and reopen the supplies that are not
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  Speaker 1: going through anyhow, Are we getting anything out of this ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: Francis Martel from Breitbart because it I know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are comparing this to like, Okay, this is
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  Speaker 1: just another Barack Obama type agreement, because fundamentally, for the
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  Speaker 1: last since nineteen seventy nine, we can't trust the Iranians.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they have a religious perception that we are
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  Speaker 1: in fact a satan, We are the great evil. They
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  Speaker 1: hate us and want to eradicate us. Is there any
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  Speaker 1: reason to believe that Iranians are going to honor anything
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  Speaker 1: that they agreed to in this down the road, or
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  Speaker 1: are we just setting ourselves up for a repeat of
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  Speaker 1: this at some future point.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they have a lot more to lose
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  Speaker 2: than we do. I think the thing that makes this
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  Speaker 2: deal work and what distinguishes President Trump from President Obama,
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  Speaker 2: is that Trump took out, you know, dozens of Iranian officials,
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  Speaker 2: including the Supreme Leader. It just obliterated the top leadership
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  Speaker 2: of the IRGC and of the Iranian government in general,
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  Speaker 2: and at any given moment, you could just do that again.
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  Speaker 2: And he's really gone out of his way to kind
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  Speaker 2: of establish his authority as a president who is willing
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  Speaker 2: to make the hard decision and just straight up kill people,
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  Speaker 2: and has done that with Iran with more than any
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  Speaker 2: other country, starting with Costem Soleimani during his first term
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Kasem Soleimani was arguably the world's most
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  Speaker 2: dangerous terrorist, was the head of Iran's international terror operation,
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  Speaker 2: and one air strike just took him out. And with that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the IRGC COUDS force has never really recovered.
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  Speaker 2: It's become largely irrelevant to Iran's military because the mastermind
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  Speaker 2: was taken out. So I think the Iranians know in
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  Speaker 2: the back of their minds, as much as they want
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  Speaker 2: to push, and they have this ultimate goal to destroy Israel,
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  Speaker 2: to destroy the United States. It's a long term goal
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  Speaker 2: and they can't achieve that goal if Trump keeps killing
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  Speaker 2: off their best minds. So that's what they have to lose.
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  Speaker 2: It's not so much that this deal is going to
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  Speaker 2: give us anything except for obviously better gas prices, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're not at war, which is nice, But
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  Speaker 2: it's that Iran has too much to lose to say
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  Speaker 2: no to this deal.
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  Speaker 1: And see, that's the kind of leverage we have over
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians right now. Sadly, though, the political the politics
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  Speaker 1: seep into this. This seems to be so much about
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  Speaker 1: the November election an Americans' willingness to vote for something
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily be in their best interests i e.
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  Speaker 1: Democrats and all that would go along with that, merely
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  Speaker 1: because the price of gasoline's gone up seventy five cents.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, if we could hold out, if we
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  Speaker 1: could suck it up and ignore the pain that we're
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  Speaker 1: feeling at the pump and the other inflationary realities that
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  Speaker 1: go along with it, we could keep the Iranian ports
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  Speaker 1: closed and basically continues starving them to death. And if
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  Speaker 1: that had to go on over time, I think ultimately
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  Speaker 1: would win that battle of attrition.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that the worst case scenario for us
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  Speaker 2: is that a lot of Americans would suffer economically and
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  Speaker 2: we would have we would get a fully democratic government.
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  Speaker 2: But there is no there's no worst case scenario where
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  Speaker 2: the constitution just ends, you know, the current American regime
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  Speaker 2: is just completely destroyed and we just have a new constitution.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas for a RU the worst case scenario is that, right,
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  Speaker 2: is that the current the status quo, the constitution, and
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  Speaker 2: all of the structures of the raigning government collapse entirely.
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  Speaker 2: And so again, they have so much more to lose
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  Speaker 2: than we do. That said, the big fear is here
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  Speaker 2: that Iran is not Venezuela, where you have a group.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's one Delsy Rodriguez in there that you can
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  Speaker 2: grab and make interim president and start rebuilding around her.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone in the leadership in Iran is a radical extremist,
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  Speaker 2: and there's no viable opposition to replace, right, There's no
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  Speaker 2: you know, there there's names that are thrown out there,
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  Speaker 2: but it's people in exile, it's you know, figureheads that
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  Speaker 2: look good on cable news but don't have real world
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  Speaker 2: governing experience. And so the power vacuum situation is very real,
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  Speaker 2: and that I think that's what's tying the White House's hands. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we can't just go in there and take everybody out,
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  Speaker 2: although we took out a lot of people, because you
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  Speaker 2: don't want another you don't want a country with ninety
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  Speaker 2: million people and a bunch of enriched uranium to just
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  Speaker 2: have no leadership become paranalists. And that's something that we
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  Speaker 2: have to take into consideration when we look at the
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  Speaker 2: deal and we're like, well, why don't we just take
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  Speaker 2: them all out? Well, you know, we can't just leave
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  Speaker 2: a hole where the Iranian regime used to be. And
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  Speaker 2: that also answers your question of you know, why doesn't
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  Speaker 2: China or India just you know, go along with taking
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  Speaker 2: out the people that are there. It's because we don't
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  Speaker 2: know what comes next, right, I mean, they're in the
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  Speaker 2: same boat that we are in that perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and do you think hindsight's twenty twenty, But do
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  Speaker 1: you think we underestimated the value of the religious fundamentalism.
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  Speaker 1: I mean if there will. I mean I suggest to people,
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  Speaker 1: if someone asks you to renounce your faith in Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ or something, I think you'd be pretty reluctant to
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  Speaker 1: do it, especially if you think the foe that that
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  Speaker 1: is being that is asking you to renounce your faith
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  Speaker 1: is like Satan for example. I mean, they're not willing
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  Speaker 1: to bend. They're willing to deal with tremendous pain, economic pain,
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  Speaker 1: real pain, loss of infrastructure, whatever, because they have a
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  Speaker 1: profound belief in the religion. It just doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: me that they took that into consideration. Again, if you
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  Speaker 1: try to liken it to a situation of Venezuela, you
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  Speaker 1: knock off the leader there. It's not a religious it's
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  Speaker 1: not a theocracy. It's just a guy leading the country
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  Speaker 1: who's not there anymore. It's a totally different landscape with
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it. I think that's part of it. But I
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  Speaker 2: think the part that is bigger even than that, is
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  Speaker 2: personal salvation. Right. You know what happens to these officials
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  Speaker 2: when the regime collapses. If you look at the Iranian people,
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  Speaker 2: the Iranian people hate their government, They absolutely hate it,
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  Speaker 2: and they hated it, you know, six months ago before
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  Speaker 2: the government killed thirty to forty five thousand of them
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  Speaker 2: because they dare to have peaceful protests. So there's no
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  Speaker 2: stepping down, there's no my little exit where you just
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  Speaker 2: go to a nice jail like you hang out with
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  Speaker 2: pig It. You're like, they're going to get the Kadafi
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  Speaker 2: ending and I think that's really terrible flying to them.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously the religious aspect goes into that, where if
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  Speaker 2: you have a disgraceful death, then you know, you don't
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  Speaker 2: get to Jannah, right, you don't get to the Islamic
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  Speaker 2: version of heaven. You don't get the glory that comes
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  Speaker 2: with jihad if you're just you know, killed by a mob,
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  Speaker 2: especially if there's God forbid women in the mob, you know,
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  Speaker 2: then that plays into the survival instincts too. They aren't
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  Speaker 2: afraid to die, but they are afraid to die dishonorably.
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  Speaker 2: And we've seen that with many jihadists, from Isis to
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  Speaker 2: Hamas to Hasballah. I mean, I love the stories of
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Isis terrorists who ran away from the
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  Speaker 2: all female Kurdish army because because if they got killed
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  Speaker 2: by a woman, they couldn't go to heaven, so that
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  Speaker 2: is definitely part of, you know, part of the situation
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  Speaker 2: there and what pushes their survival.
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  Speaker 1: In religion and the goofy rules that go along with
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  Speaker 1: Francis Martel Brydburn, International Editor, Real quick here before we
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  Speaker 1: part company, I have to ask you what of the
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  Speaker 1: Iranian people? Does this not leave them basically where they
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  Speaker 1: were if we understand the basic parameters of what might
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  Speaker 1: happen down the road with this agreement because regime is
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  Speaker 1: not changing, So is this a letdown for them?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know what else they would want,
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  Speaker 2: right The alternative to this would be a full American
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  Speaker 2: occupation Marshall Plan Japan style, and I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: was ever happening. We're leaving them with no Ali Kamani.
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  Speaker 2: We're leaving them with the elimination of dozens of their oppressors.
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  Speaker 2: There's a new and greener class of oppressors that are there.
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  Speaker 2: So if they want to try overthrowing these guys, I
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  Speaker 2: think it would be easier than the last group that
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  Speaker 2: we took out. So it's not nothing, But I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there are Iranians who are disappointed, who are hoping that
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  Speaker 2: it would just be the end. But you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: a massive country and that regime has been there for
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  Speaker 2: fifty years, and we don't have We have neither the
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  Speaker 2: capability nor the right to just decide to eliminate that regime.
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  Speaker 2: That has to come from Iranian people. They have to
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  Speaker 2: find a leader, they have to organize around someone who
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  Speaker 2: can run a government properly, and we can't do that
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  Speaker 2: for them, and we can't in a ground war.
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  Speaker 1: Seems to be insurmountable challenge because look what happened in
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  Speaker 1: Afghanistan after decades. The Russians tried it. We tried it,
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  Speaker 1: and not as many people, in as much real estate,
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  Speaker 1: and still didn't seem to accomplish much over time. Francis
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  Speaker 1: Martel leave me with that final thought as we part company.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, and I'll recommend
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  Speaker 1: my listeners re