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#0160_ STORY INSPIRE: The Silencing of Charlie Kirk · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon Show. We
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  Speaker 1: have an interview this episode with Max Blumenthal, who wrote
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  Speaker 1: an article in the Gray Zone with Trump insiders talking
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  Speaker 1: about where Charlie Kirk was mentally in the last few
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  Speaker 1: weeks and months of his life and the things he
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  Speaker 1: was feeling and the pressure he was under. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know Charlie... I never met him. I knew people that
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  Speaker 1: knew him well. Everybody liked him, both people I know
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  Speaker 1: on the Democratic side liked him and people on the
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  Speaker 1: Republican side obviously liked him. But, you know, that was
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  Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing things I had ever seen
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  Speaker 1: in my life. The man is a husband, a father.
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  Speaker 1: Even if he wasn't, he's a human being. He's sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: He's engaging in conversations with people. and he was brutally
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  Speaker 1: murdered in front of his wife and children. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a sanctimonious guy. I dressed up as a dead healthcare
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  Speaker 1: CEO on Netflix. I'm not someone who is out there
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  Speaker 1: being a purveyor of good taste, but I just don't
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  Speaker 1: understand how, after witnessing that murder, you could be gleefully
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  Speaker 1: celebrating this attack.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're at a very bad place spiritually, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, in your life, if you're celebrating the murder of
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  Speaker 1: a person like that. I mean, again, this wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what I do on the, on the program,
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  Speaker 1: we make fun of the news.
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  Speaker 2: We make fun of what's happening. A lot of it's
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  Speaker 2: dark comedy.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't go out there and police people's reactions
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  Speaker 1: or tell them what to say, but, if that's the
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  Speaker 1: first reaction you have to that video is to celebrate this.
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  Speaker 2: Or, I mean, you, you can't be doing great. You
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  Speaker 2: can't be doing great. If you, you know, if.
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  Speaker 1: You're celebrating the murder of this man, uh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you're at a good place in, in your life. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: You know, I, like I said, I saw the video.
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  Speaker 1: I watched it one time. I would not rewatch it.
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  Speaker 1: I found it to be, I didn't know what I
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  Speaker 1: was watching.
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  Speaker 2: I was on a plane to Austin, um, with Louie actually.
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  Speaker 2: And he was, he was doing shows down there.
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  Speaker 1: And I, I saw this video and I was like, I,
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  Speaker 1: it was maybe the worst thing I have ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I, when I picked up my phone,
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  Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. And a lot of people I know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people that I'm, you know, in their orbit
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  Speaker 1: comedically or for whatever reason were, you know, I understand
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  Speaker 1: people trying to be funny about terrible things. I understand
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  Speaker 1: failed attempts at making things funny. I've had them myself.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. Um, but the, some.
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  Speaker 1: People, the, the, the joy, the glee, the delight, uh,
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  Speaker 1: in the, in, in, in this man's assassination was, Again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can look at his wife
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  Speaker 1: who's collapsing in front of his casket, who's crying, where
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  Speaker 1: the children are asking where their father is. I cannot
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  Speaker 1: get to that place where I can understand enjoying that.
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  Speaker 1: And it scares me that there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that are there. And people that I kind of somewhat know,
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  Speaker 1: not close friends, but like people that I am aware
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  Speaker 1: of and, you know, kind of, you know, I've worked
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  Speaker 1: with and know from the life that I've lived. Like
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  Speaker 1: I had disagreements with Charlie Kirk, some substantive ones. I
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  Speaker 1: have disagreements with most people. I don't, you do not
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  Speaker 1: have to agree with someone to not enjoy their murder.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that should be obvious, right? You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to agree with someone to not delight in their murder.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's life was ended. His family was shattered. This
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  Speaker 1: is a, this is, it's inhumane. And I understand that
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  Speaker 1: this is what's going to happen inevitably in to people
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  Speaker 1: as the country drifts into this kind of schizophrenic fever
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  Speaker 1: dream where nothing is real and people are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: living online and they're radicalized and everyone's an enemy and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's dehumanizing them, you know, and everybody feels for whatever
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  Speaker 1: reason that this type of thing is, is justified. And
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  Speaker 1: it's only, it's a, it's a terrible omen for the
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  Speaker 1: future of America. If people think that a guy who's
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  Speaker 1: willing to sit at a campus and engage in debate
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  Speaker 1: with students should be assassinated. I can't understand that. That's
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  Speaker 1: not something that I'm open to understanding. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a pathology. I don't think it's a political point of
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  Speaker 1: view when someone's head is blown off in front of
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  Speaker 1: their children and for someone to say, oh, good. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a political point of view. That's kind of a deeply....
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  Speaker 2: Destructive pathology.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that, you know, I understand, again,
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  Speaker 1: people trying to make a horrible situation funny.
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  Speaker 2: And failing and doing things that are in bad taste.
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  Speaker 2: I've done them myself. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: That's not really what I'm talking about here. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what I saw that was the most disturbing. What I
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  Speaker 1: saw that was the most disturbing was, dude, Complete delight
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  Speaker 1: and joy in seeing someone cut down like that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with a lot of the people that run
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  Speaker 1: the state that I'm sitting in right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's California.
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  Speaker 1: I feel they've been incredibly destructive to my living in
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  Speaker 1: the sense that I think they've ruined.
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  Speaker 1: Large swaths of the most beautiful state in the union.
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  Speaker 1: I think their policies have driven business out of the state. Uh, they've,
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  Speaker 1: they've increased crime and I agree with their policies on
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  Speaker 1: some things, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm, I'm pro choice. I'm pro gay marriage.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pro, you know, on, on, on a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the social issues, I have kind of a libertarian view.
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  Speaker 1: So like states like New York and California, uh, I'll
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  Speaker 1: agree with them on certain things.
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  Speaker 2: And then on other things, you know, I don't agree
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  Speaker 2: with them.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't agree with like, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: like pick a gender day in, in, in, in preschool.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Like, obviously there's, there's things that I don't agree with
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  Speaker 1: at all. And I would never want any of the
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  Speaker 1: people that I disagree with to die because I would
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  Speaker 1: never want any of the people who I politically disagree
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  Speaker 1: with on any issue to be shot in front of
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  Speaker 1: their children. I, you know, I, I don't understand. I
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  Speaker 1: think you're at a place in your life. If you're
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  Speaker 1: enjoying that, you're at a very bad place in your life.
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  Speaker 1: You're not at a good place in your life. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I can say. I cannot, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: many well-adjusted happy people who, with their own children, their
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  Speaker 1: own partner, wife, whatever, girlfriend, boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: A dog you like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, anything, anything that you love or care about,
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine someone with that type of life seeing
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  Speaker 1: that guy's body tense up and slump down, watching the
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  Speaker 1: last moments of his life, and gleefully.
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  Speaker 2: Celebrating it.
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  Speaker 1: It just, to me is, I, I, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I can't, I was looking at some of these things
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  Speaker 1: kind of shocked. And, and I'm, I'm again, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a sanctimonious guy. I'm not a guy that like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a guy that like is offended by much. I'm
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  Speaker 1: almost offended by almost nothing, not nothing. But when you're
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  Speaker 1: a person who's done comedy for years and you've been
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  Speaker 1: in this fucking world for years on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't really be, you know, sensitive. It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: It's not, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a,
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  Speaker 1: it would be the death knell for whatever you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do in any type of public life. If you
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  Speaker 1: were sensitive or if you internalize everything or took everything
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  Speaker 1: to heart.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that being said, when you see somebody, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, treating this like it's Christmas or, you know, Some
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  Speaker 1: of the reactions I've seen are from people that are.
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  Speaker 2: Deeply, deeply, deeply I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess, depressed, or they've become, they feel hopeless or helpless,
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  Speaker 1: and they're reacting in a kind of in a state
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  Speaker 1: of rage, and in that they're denying their humanity, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not thinking about things like a human being. I
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  Speaker 1: understand not liking someone. I understand thinking their policies make
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  Speaker 1: your life harder. I understand having fundamental disagreements with people.
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  Speaker 1: Fundamental disagreements, by the way, not like little things. I
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  Speaker 1: understand that there's... There's people in my life I have
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  Speaker 1: fundamental disagreements with on major issues, big issues, and I
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  Speaker 1: still remain friends with them because I believe that humanity
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  Speaker 1: is incredibly important, you know, and that people respect the
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  Speaker 1: fact that people are human beings that come from different places,
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  Speaker 1: have different belief systems, have different faiths, have different ways
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  Speaker 1: of doing things. And, you know, when, when, and Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk was not a crazy extremist, he made inflammatory statements.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people make inflammatory statements, but if you
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  Speaker 1: listen to the context and a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: What he said, the guy was not like a psychopath.
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  Speaker 1: He had a definite belief system that, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: sat down and talked with people about. If you're for
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  Speaker 1: the assassination of that person, I can't quite get into
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  Speaker 1: your head. I said this in 2020 when people were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the need for violence, not only protests, violence.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, this goes to a terrible place.
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  Speaker 1: If you stop having conversations, if you stop debating people,
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  Speaker 1: if you stop listening to people, or if you stop,
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  Speaker 1: you know, America doesn't have to be any one thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's why there's 50 states and, People that live in
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco don't necessarily have to agree with people who
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  Speaker 1: live in Maryland or people who live in Texas or
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  Speaker 1: people who live in Wyoming. There are 50 state legislatures,
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  Speaker 1: 50 governors, you know. There's a reason, and different states
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  Speaker 1: need different things, value different things, whatever. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: just can't see the value in celebrating....
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  Speaker 2: Someone's death.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, whenever there's a weapon, number one, everybody uses it.
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  Speaker 1: So anybody celebrating this, it will come for you. It
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  Speaker 1: will come for someone on your side.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand, but I don't think people are thinking
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  Speaker 1: about that. I think it's the raw visceral feeling that
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  Speaker 1: someone that they viewed negatively is life was cut short
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  Speaker 1: and they're enjoying that. Um, And it really is, it's
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  Speaker 1: fucked up. The interview we're doing is actually really disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the more disturbing ones that I've done.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a viral article that is going viral after this.
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  Speaker 1: And it's trying to, again, it doesn't suggest that Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk was murdered by Israel. But this article, which is
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  Speaker 1: going viral, is a... is a disturbing portrait of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the pressures that not only Charlie, but other
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  Speaker 1: people were under. Um, and another thing I just want
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  Speaker 1: to say, and before I go, because I know it's
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  Speaker 1: not like, uh, I mean, if, if I had a
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  Speaker 1: get the DoorDash credit if Kash Patel was tasked with
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  Speaker 1: an investigation? Would I get the DoorDash credit or would
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  Speaker 1: I not? I imagine I would not. I imagine if
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  Speaker 1: there was a discrepancy on a DoorDash order, the head
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  Speaker 1: of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Kash Patel, would not
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  Speaker 1: be able to secure my credit of $ 11.
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  Speaker 2: 90.
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  Speaker 1: What is this guy doing? I mean, the guy that
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  Speaker 1: did this to Charlie, his parents turned him in. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what could Kash Patel run?
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  Speaker 2: You wrote an article that's going viral. You wrote it
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  Speaker 2: with your wife, Anya Parampil.
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  Speaker 1: About you know, obviously this horrific event that happened in Utah,
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  Speaker 1: and you were describing, you know, firsthand accounts of things
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  Speaker 1: that Charlie had told his close friends in the weeks
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  Speaker 1: leading up.
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  Speaker 2: To his death.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of it concerned the pressure that was
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  Speaker 1: being put on him by.
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  Speaker 2: Israeli billionaires.
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  Speaker 1: For questioning some of the things happening in Gaza and
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  Speaker 1: then as well some of the new anti-Semitism laws. And
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  Speaker 1: how did you put together this story? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know you don't ask a journalist to reveal their sources,
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  Speaker 1: but how exactly do you compile this piece?
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  Speaker 3: Well, just to answer your question before I get into
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  Speaker 3: the piece, I have been following Charlie Kirk for 10
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  Speaker 3: years since almost soon after he started TPUSA when he
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  Speaker 3: was a teenager. And I was following him as a
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  Speaker 3: critic or an opponent. I saw him as this kind
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  Speaker 3: of very hardworking, highly articulate person. sort of like superhuman,
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  Speaker 3: ultra-conservative operative that the Israel lobby had basically hijacked. And
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  Speaker 3: they were using him to create the biggest Republican or
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  Speaker 3: conservative youth movement in history, TPUSA, and use it to
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  Speaker 3: advance Israel's program in the U.S. alongside all of the
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  Speaker 3: kind of conservative social issues he wanted to push and
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  Speaker 3: recruit the youth and train them. and make sure that
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  Speaker 3: they stayed completely aligned with Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel. And these
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  Speaker 3: billionaire donors, they're American. but they're loyal to Israel primarily.
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  Speaker 3: And they actually don't care about issues like abortion or
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  Speaker 3: LGBTQ or maybe some of them don't like mass immigration
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  Speaker 3: because they think immigrants might turn against Israel, but their
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  Speaker 3: issue is Israel. And Charlie Kirk was going to advance
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  Speaker 3: that for them. And in exchange, he'd be built up
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  Speaker 3: as like, the biggest conservative youth leader in history. So
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  Speaker 3: I've been following him for 10 years. I have no
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  Speaker 3: reason to say anything. Obviously, I was horrified by his killing.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's a terrible omen for this country.
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  Speaker 3: But I have no reason to say anything positive about
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  Speaker 3: him or to think that he was anything less than
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  Speaker 3: a complete cadre for the Israel lobby. And they basically
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  Speaker 3: owned him. They basically controlled him. And he started to
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  Speaker 3: move away And I was hearing about, just to tell
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  Speaker 3: you about how this article came into being, I was
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  Speaker 3: hearing about this before he was killed, that something.
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  Speaker 3: Through the grapevine. I mean, I grew up in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: I've been in the city, so people talk. And honestly,
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  Speaker 3: even though I'm more from the left, people from the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration and around the Trump administration talk more to
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  Speaker 3: us than the Biden administration did. They talk more to
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  Speaker 3: alternative media. So I was hearing about the pressure that
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was under in the months before he was killed.
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  Speaker 3: This was not unfamiliar to me. And so I decided
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  Speaker 3: to go back to some sources that we had and ask, uh,
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  Speaker 3: what was, you know, for more details.
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  Speaker 1: Well, even as somebody who you were a political opponent
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  Speaker 1: of his, I do, it's obvious, you know, seeing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people gleefully celebrating his, his vicious murder, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you don't have to agree with someone
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  Speaker 1: to not delight in their murder. I mean, this is,
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  Speaker 1: I've been surprised, friends of mine, people that I know,
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  Speaker 1: and their reactions to this have actually shocked me and
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  Speaker 1: shaken me a little bit. I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: to this turn that he makes. Do you have a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: timestamp on when he's starting to question really Israeli influence in,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in American domestic politics. Because I'm reading your article and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you talk about, your source is talking about Charlie kind
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of starting to question the amount of influence that Israel
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: has in US, not only domestic politics, but foreign politics
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: as well. do you put this right around the time
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that we attack Iran? Is this before that? Is this
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: after that? How, you know, what do you know about
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: his progression?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Let me just close a window here. Cause I have
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: some noise coming in.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: He never comes back.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: No. So yeah, this is the outcome.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: So, so this is what actually one of the most
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: fascinating stories I've witnessed in American politics. It could be the,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: theme of a film or a documentary or a book,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk began coming under pressure from his own base.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I would say, I actually forgot what year it was,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: but it was like three or four years ago. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it was called the Groyper Wars. And Charlie Kirk would
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: do these TPUSA tours around the country and young men
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: would file in and you get to question Charlie Kirk
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and debate him. And they hit him from an angle
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: he never expected. They were from this organization called the Groypers,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: which sort of follows Nick Fuentes. They're anti-Israel. They're kind
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: of anti-Jewish. Some people call them white nationalists, whatever you
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: want to call them. They're very anti-Israel, and they believe
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: they're the true voice of America first because the U.S.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: government has fallen under the control of this malign foreign
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: power in Israel. And so they would confront Charlie Kirk
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: with the history of, for example, the USS Liberty, the
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: US Naval ship that was deliberately struck by the Israeli
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: military in the 1967 war in order to cripple that
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: boat because it was a surveillance boat. It was listening
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to Israeli communications. And they killed scores of sailors and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: they would confront Charlie Kirk with the difference between Israeli
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: interests and American interests while holding up a cross, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Charlie Crick would just shut down the conversation because he
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: knew that if he would give an inch to them,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it would threaten the relationship with his donors and TPUSA
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: would collapse. Now, after October 7th, the pressure was just
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: too extreme. The whole grassroots of the conservative movement, everyone
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: under 35, started to question the U.S.-Israel relationship because they
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: wanted to be America first. And they saw Netanyahu just
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: leading Trump around by the balls. They saw Miriam Adelson,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: this Israeli intelligence asset billionaire, just calling shots inside the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: White House. And a lot of them are pro-life and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: were horrified by the slaughter of babies that they saw
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: in Gaza. So the bottom dropped out of right-wing youth
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: support for Israel. to the point where now only about
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: 25% of Republicans under 35 support Israel over Palestine. So
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk has to answer to his own grassroots base.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: And you can hear he's starting to make some noises.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: He's talking about October 7th possibly being an inside job.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Israel let it happen in order to carry out long-term
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: political goals. He starts to question whether Jeffrey Epstein was
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: an Israeli Mossad agent at a time when the Epstein
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: files were becoming an uncomfortable issue for Trump And it
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: all blew out into the open at TPUSA's July Youth
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Summit in, I believe it was Tampa, Florida.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: It might have been Tallahassee.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tucker gave the speech. Right. Right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: So Tucker gave a speech. I mean, that was the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: seminal moment. But it wasn't just Tucker. Megyn Kelly had
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: started questioning her. Israel, and she's on stage calling Jeffrey
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Epstein a Mossad agent with Charlie. Comic Dave Smith, who,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: like myself, is a Jewish anti-Zionist, but he more comes
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: from kind of the libertarian world. So he was welcomed
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: on stage to debate a Zionist propagandist who works for Newsweek,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Joshua Hammer. Debate, no, that's not something you want, especially
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: at this point, if you are like a pro-Israel enforcer.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And Dave Smith was openly talking about the slaughter of
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: children in Gaza, and the crowd was cheering in this
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: cathartic way. Then Tucker comes out, says, you should have
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: your citizenship yanked if you fight for a foreign army,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: all right? Hundreds and hundreds, thousands of American Jewish youth
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: go to Israel and fight for their army instead of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: our own. So that's a direct blow to not just
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the Israel lobby, but like the whole concept of Jewish
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: communal life as it's understood by its leadership. Then Tucker
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: calls out Bill Ackman, who's one of the biggest Netanyahu
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: money men inside the US, who's pulling strings at Harvard,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: getting their funding pulled unless they crack down on Palestine activism.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: And he questions Bill Ackman. He calls him a scam
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: artist and said, how did he make $ 9 billion? Where
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: did it come from? And Bill Ackman, the next day,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: he couldn't really answer the question. He published a 5,000-word
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: meltdown Twitter post trying to defend his financial investments. It
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: was Just bonkers. I'd never seen anything like it. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: it was all Charlie Kirk's fault for sanctioning, for giving
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: basically the people what they wanted. And after that, he
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: started getting publicly attacked. Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: two biggest Zionist enforcers in the media who are very
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: close to Netanyahu, biggest forces lobbying Trump to wage war
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: on Iran. went off on TPUSA, said we can't be
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: having a Big Ten if it includes kooks. Laura Loomer,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: we all know who she is. She publicly attacked Charlie
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Kirk and said he basically had to step down. He
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: was getting attacked in pro-Israel media. What we didn't know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: which I learned, is in private, the pressure was even
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: more intense. He was being bombarded with text messages. And
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: at some point, Netanyahu personally called him and offered to
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: basically fund his organization to new levels that he never
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: even imagined, which meant, you know, Zionist Israeli takeover, complete
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: like recapture of TPUSA, an organization they basically helped create.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: And Charlie Kirk turned him down. After Charlie Kirk was killed,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: We know Netanyahu wouldn't stop posting about him. Like minutes
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: after he was killed, when his body was still warm,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Netanyahu was posting about him, interrupting his seven-front war in
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the Middle East and his global assassination spree where he's
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: trying to kill people even inside a U.S. ally in Qatar.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Can you remember any time that in the history of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a political assassination that the leader of a foreign government has.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Come out to deny that they were behind it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, never seen anything like that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was, so Netanyahu has to ultimately deny
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that Israel was involved in an interview on Newsmax with
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Greta Van Susteren. Newsmax is another like institution that Israel controls.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: It's CEO, Chris Ruddy was just in Israel with Netanyahu,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: basically shining his shoes in public, So Netanyahu goes there
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and says, you know, this is like, to accuse us
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: of killing Charlie Kirk or having a role in this
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: is like a medieval blood libel and the Holocaust. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: when Netanyahu says that, it probably leads some Gentiles to
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: wonder if there was something to those blood libels. I mean,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: when someone that sleazy and that blood-soaked links innocent Jews
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to the murderous campaign that Israel's carrying out, it's actually
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: bad for the Jews when he says that. But I've
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: never seen anything like this. And I've never seen anything
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: like what Netanyahu was doing relating to a tragedy or
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: a crime in the United States since 9-11. Netanyahu blamed
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Muslims for Charlie Kirk's killing. explicitly on Fox News. He
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: was trying to milk it as much as he could,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: but it blew back on him because he's become a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: prime suspect. But after 9-11, Netanyahu said in comments widely
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: reported in Israeli media, you can look this up, he
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: said 9-11 was good for Israel. And it's the same
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: way that he saw Charlie Kirk's killing as being good
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: for Israel. He thought he could he actually probably thought
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: a Muslim was responsible. And he thought he could blame
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: the left and the Palestine Solidarity Movement and get them
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: shut down by the FBI. And so in a way,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: he was kind of thrilled by what had happened. And
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that fuels the speculation. But the real issue was, as
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: we learned from a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk, who
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: had spoken to him, I would say, a week or
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: two before he was killed about this, he was afraid
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: of Netanyahu and he was afraid of these billionaire cutouts
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: of Netanyahu who had many of whom had funded his organization.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So let me ask.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You, let me ask you a question. What would he
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: be afraid of?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know, you have an organization that's well.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Funded by people that expect something for their money, right?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: They're not giving it to you for free.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Um, Did you get the feeling that he was only
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: afraid of reputational damage or, you know, losing money?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Or did his fears extend to his life?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what Harrison Smith, who is a personality at InfoWars,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the pro-Trump outlet, has said based on a source he
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: spoke to. I don't know him. I don't know what
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: source he spoke to. But he said this on August 13th.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: So almost a month before Charlie Kirk was killed, he
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: said Charlie Kirk fears that Israel will kill him if
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: he continues ahead, providing space in the largest conservative youth
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: organization in American history, which is the institutional grassroots apparatus
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: of Trump and the Republican Party, for Israel critics and
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: even anti-Zionists. So I didn't say that. I can't see
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: any hard material evidence that Israel had him killed. But
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: there's this fear when you go against the Israel lobby
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: and you're that powerful. And it's a fear that I've
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: been told Donald Trump shares. I've been told that by
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: several Trump insiders.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: My next question is, does the president of the United
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: States fear for his life?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he fears for his life. And I
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: was told that he feared for his life before the
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: two assassination attempts, one coming within a millimeter of striking
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: his head. I mean, let's not forget about that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, just to clarify, he doesn't fear for his
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: life because of Ireland.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've been told, yes, that Israel is a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: major source of concern for Trump. I mean, think about it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: what would happen if he suspended arms to a country
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that carries out assassinations all across the globe that specializes
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: in assassinations, that has an entire wing of its intelligence
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: services that conducts assassinations, including with household goods like pagers, uh,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: would you not be scared? So yes, Trump is scared.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And what I learned, uh, from the source, who is
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: a Trump insider, someone who talks to people in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Oval Office, people close to Trump, is that during one
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: of Netanyahu's many visits to the U.S. this year, some
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: figures in his retinue, Israeli agents, placed electronic devices on
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: emergency response Secret Service vehicles. The Secret Service found them,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and they reported this to the White House. These would
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: be emergency response vehicles that would respond to an incident
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: potentially involving the president. Some people watching this might be
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: dismissing me as crazy right now, and I wasn't able
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to confirm this. I can't just call up the Secret
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Service and have them tell me that. But in 2019,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: three former high-ranking U.S. officials from the Trump administration told
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Politico that that listening devices were found around the White
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: House and at sensitive locations across Washington targeting President Trump.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: They wanted to listen to his calls and communications, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: they were planted by Israel. You just go look that
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: up while I'm speaking right now. Boris Johnson, the former
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Israeli prime minister, wrote in his memoirs that Benjamin Netanyahu
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: asked to use his bathroom, his personal toilet, And that
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: British security found a listening device planted in his personal
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: toilet immediately after Netanyahu left. So Netanyahu himself dropped a
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: listening device in the British prime minister's toilet. Like never
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: let Netanyahu take a dump at your house.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: In your estimation, why do things like this not damage
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: relations between the U S and Israel more or the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: UK and Israel? You know, when, when an ally is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: found to be, now everybody spies on everybody, but when
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you are putting a listening device in the prime minister's bathroom,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: or you're putting, you know, you know, you know, reportedly
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: putting tracking devices on secret service, emergency response vehicles, where
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is the fallout from that? Is there any, is there
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: any diplomatic fallout from that?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, think of all the, all the things
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Israel does. Israel just, is seeking to drag the US
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: into an all-out war with Iran. Where's the fallout from that?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: The fallout is among the people. It's among the young
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: people who watch your show, who follow social media, who
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: They're paying attention, and they have almost no power in
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: this country on this issue because of Israel's ethno-supremacist bribery
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: network known as AIPAC, which controls Congress With a hammerlock.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Look at like two of the few voices in Congress
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: who spoke out about these issues.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Marjorie Bush. Sorry? Cori Bush was kicked out.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: And Jamal Bowman.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Kicked out.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Kicked out. But AIPAC spent almost $ 20 million. And they
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: were like backbenchers. Like their own campaigns, they probably spent
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: like $ 100, 000. And they spent $ 20 million, like Super Bowl-style
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: ads against them. And none of the ads... even mentioned
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Israel once. And they come up with these fake stealth
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: packs like Americans for Democracy in their district. So you
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: don't even know it's an AIPAC ad.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Smart.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: And now they're going after Thomas Massey. And Marjorie, no?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And Marjorie Taylor Greene.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Greene's safer in her district, but who is
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: paying for the campaign against Thomas Massey? It's Miriam Adelson
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and Paul Singer. Paul Singer is another ultra-Zionist billionaire who
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: is basically like Marco Rubio's pimp. He owns Marco Rubio.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: He's a vulture capitalist who runs Elliott Capital Management. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: he's very involved in Venezuela as well. So these guys
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: are running the show. So let me ask you a question.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Trump is elected 2024.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Miriam Adelson is a huge donor.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Among others, right?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Bill Ackman is another big donor. Is the understanding, you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: we gave you a bunch of money. You're going to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: let us do anything we want. And is there kind
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of a veiled threat that, you know, spoken or unspoken,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it hangs in the air around Epstein in your estimation
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and the Epstein files and and the nature of the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: relationship between Jeffrey Epstein potentially and Israeli intelligence, what exactly,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: how does that factor into what we're seeing now with
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: shaping a narrative? It seems like that lobby is losing
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: control of the narrative quickly, certainly with younger people, but
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with a lot of people.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: The rise of independent media, the sheer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Audacity with which that, you know, AIPAC and people like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that are behaving, Netanyahu.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: What role do you think.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Uncovering the truth about Epstein plays in the fear in
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the White House. Are they afraid to release this stuff?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Are they implicated in this stuff?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Is it both?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And was this something where it was understood that they
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: were there to extend the cover-up?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: What do you think this is?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Well, Trump has personally said that he's concerned about all
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: of the files and the names of clients being released,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: or not necessarily clients, but associates, because it will smear
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: some very good people. I mean, he said that on
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the record. And he thinks he's one of them. He
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: was very closely associated with Jeffrey Epstein. And this was
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the first time I've ever seen the Teflon Don get
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: his mystique actually broken. It was all over Jeffrey Epstein.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: But it's It's not just about Jeffrey Epstein or one man.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's dangerous to go too far down the
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: rabbit hole on Jeffrey Epstein. But we do need to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: acknowledge there was a strong Israeli connection there. Jeffrey Epstein
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: was working with Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister, defense minister,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: most decorated soldier in Israeli history, on spinning out a
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: series of security companies that were going to compete with
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: the big time, the big leaguers like Palantir. Barak was
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: at his townhouse over 50 times. He had met with
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Shimon Peres, former Israeli prime minister. He had met with
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Ehud Olmert, former prime minister. He'd set up meetings between
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: JP Morgan and Benjamin Netanyahu. And he was a pro-Israel
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: guy who was close to Alan Dershowitz, too, who was
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: considered Israel's propaganda lawyer. So Jeffrey Epstein's sort of a
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: stand-in for everything That frustrates people, especially younger people in
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: this country about this two tiered legal and political system
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: where there is a kind of a class of point
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: one percenters who exist completely above the law, who are
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: like molesting people. and carrying out all sorts of sordid
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: financial crimes and bribery and manipulating institutions, buying CBS News
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: and propagandizing the public in support of a genocide. It's
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: sort of like Jeffrey Epstein perfectly embodies the most disgusting
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: specter or figure of this entire network that we have
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: been sort of forbidden from talking about for so many years.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: And now, I mean, it's like as long as there
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: is an apartheid Israel, we're going to be waking up
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: every day on social media and seeing images of shredded children.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And our legislatures are going to be filled with bills
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: that will prevent us from doing anything about it. So
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the frustration only continues to build as Donald Trump seems
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to block the release of the Epstein files. Did you notice?
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: This is so crazy. On the day Charlie Kirk was shot,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: and I mean, take this out if I'm wrong, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm right.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I think I know what
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: you're about to say. They voted, right?
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: The Senate voted to not release the Epstein files, and
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: it was like a straight party line vote.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is not good for American. No one paid attention.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: This is not good for American Jews. A lot of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: my Jewish friends are not, you know, they want Netanyahu out.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: They think that they've made a wrong turn, obviously, in
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the years after October 7th.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think the temperature is like.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Right now between the Trump administration and Israel? Is this
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: an unbreakable bond that is being enforced by a fear of.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: A mutually assured destruction?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: What is the likelihood of us going into Iran again?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: What is the likelihood of us doubling down? I mean,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: there's a huge project now, or will be a very
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: huge construction project, I believe, in Gaza.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're moving.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: People out of Gaza. They're going to build a new Gaza.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Is the United States going to be Providing peacekeeping. Is
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it going to be NATO peacekeeping forces? Is it going
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to be U.S. contractors? Could be boots on the ground.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Are we going to be funding it? What do you
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: know about what's coming next? What's the next phase of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: what happens there? Well, with Gaza, it's not a construction project.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It's a destruction project.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Well, right. But it will be eventually. I mean, they're
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: going to they're trying to move them out to do something. Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: They're trying to move them out to, in what they
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: call in Israel, Judaize the place, especially the north of Gaza.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: And the religious nationalist movement in Israel, the settlers, they
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: want that land. They fought hard for it in this war,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: in this genocide. And they have Netanyahu under their thumb.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, they are the linchpin to his political coalitions.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: All those shiny pictures that you see and all the
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: plans for the Gaza Riviera that make it look like Dubai,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that's not going to be happening for any Palestinians or non-Jews.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: That's not what's going to happen. The plan is to
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: ethnically cleanse as many of them as possible, to even
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: incentivize them to go out and give them subsidies to
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: go out. But Israel does not want them there. The
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Gaza Strip, what was it? 85% refugees who were kicked
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: off their land in 1948 when Israel was founded. 750,000
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: people were ethnically cleansed in 1948, and so many of
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: them went to Gaza, and then they were just warehoused there.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I've been to Gaza twice. When you go into Gaza,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the first thing you see in the buffer zone when
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: you cross in from an Israeli military base is a
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: remote-controlled machine gun on a gigantic wall that stretches as
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: far as you can see, pointing into Gaza. That's the
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: world they were living in before October 7th, 2023. They
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: were closed off from the outside world. And then they
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: had this gigantic, violent rebellion led by Hamas and Israel's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: decided they must all go and they have to go
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: through Egypt. So that's just as bluntly as I can
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: put it. And it will be the crime of the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: century to watch 2 million people just be scattered like
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: the wind into the world. And where will that, where
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: will they go? Will they go to Europe? Will they
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: go to the United States? People who have lived through
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: one of the most horrific genocidal wars we've ever seen.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: What kind of mentality will they be bringing with them?
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Will it be good for those societies? Well, it's Israel
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: that is pushing that on the rest of the world. So,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're worried.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: About, if you're, yeah. Too related.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: If you're worried about the border now. Right. I mean,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: consider what Israel's got coming for you. Yeah, right. Although
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I think we should welcome people who have nowhere else
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: to go. They should be in their homes.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: They should be where they are. Well, I think we
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: should stop destroying their countries, and then they'd have a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: place to go.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: And that would be my... And then your question on Iran, really.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be my... Yeah, your question on Iran.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think the likelihood is that we get
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: into another war with Iran?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And is that why.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: 99%.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: You know, is that why.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Is the Israeli government right now lobbying the Trump administration
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: actively to go back into Iran? Is this something that
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you know, or are hearing from anyone?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And also from sources in Iran, they're, they're prepared for this.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: They think that this will happen 100%. Uh, I would
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: say 99% just cause I always like to hedge, but, uh,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You know, my friends in Iran, who are just sort
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: of regular people, tell me their whole society believes this
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: is going to come. in any weeks from now.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Why do you why do you think this all needs
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to happen now you know you you know ethnically cleansing
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of Gaza now the war with Iran now do you
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: think Israel's looking at America and going you know we're
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: in trillions of dollars of debt where you know maybe
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: we'll default on the debt maybe the dollar is going
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to fall maybe our standing in the world is going
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to collapse And they need to get everything out of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: us right now.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Like, it does.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel to you like there's an immediacy to
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: what is happening? And I could be wrong about this, but, like,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it does feel to me that they're like, we need
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: all of it now.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It needs to happen now. We need to.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Not only the cleansing of Gaza, but we need the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Iranian regime moved now.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: We need to bomb... Libya, I mean Syria, and.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: All of these places right now, it does seem like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: are they looking at the tide of populism around the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: world going, we're not going to be able to get
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: this kind of money in 10 years? Are they looking
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: at America's financial standing and going, it's an inevitability that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we're not going to have the money? What exactly is
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it about this moment where everything needs to happen now?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: By the way, even though they're losing standing with every
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: demographic in America, they're losing respect or they're losing control
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: of the narrative, but they're still pushing ahead in a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: very aggressive way. What is it about this moment that
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it all needs to happen now?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. And as he said, Israel can
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: see the writing on the wall in the West and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: where a new generation is rising and turning against it
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: simply because they are sick of the slaughter, the manipulation,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and the censorship. But there's a new world rising in China.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: There's a new world rising in Iran, which is at
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the center of Eurasia. And a new world that is
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: rising is not a world that America dominates. And then
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: in Washington, this just brings it all back home to
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, They have Donald Trump completely under their control
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: in a way that they have never controlled a U.S. president.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And every president has basically given Israel what it wanted.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: But with Trump, there are simply no red lines. And
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: after having demonstrated in Gaza that they could get away
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: with anything they wanted, Netanyahu, who is nearing the end
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: of his own life, who is the most historically significant
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Israeli prime minister since the founding prime minister, David Ben-Gurion,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: and has served longer than Ben-Gurion, who is actually someone
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: from the United States, who speaks English as his native language,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: who grew up in Philadelphia, went to MIT, worked at
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Boston Consulting, he sees that this is the last moment
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: before Trump leaves the stage where he can get everything
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: he wants. And his dream for his entire political career
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: was to destroy Iran, regime change in Iran. And he
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: believes if he can achieve regime change in Iran, then
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: all of his problems in the region and Israel's problems
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: in the region will disappear and Israel will be secure
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: and consolidate its strategic depth for eternity. So Netanyahu wants
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: to leave this world with that as his legacy, but
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: he cannot accomplish that in Iran, as we just saw
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: from the last 12-day war, without the U.S. military. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: so he has to manipulate the United States into not
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: just striking Iran and sending a stealth bomber over there
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: for some top gun style raid, but boots on the ground,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: all out war, just like an unprecedented slaughterhouse. And we're
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: going to see tens of thousands of American troops killed
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: for Netanyahu's dream if it's able to go through. And
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: so every time Netanyahu strikes Iran and tries to turn
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: up the temperature in the region, it's always to get
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: the U.S.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Involved.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And it's bad for the U.S. It's bad for Jews.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: It's bad for the global economy and therefore the world.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And that is why I'm always talking about this and
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: why I think people need to understand the danger.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think happens if they can't, you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: obviously there's members of the Trump administration that do not
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: want to go along with this.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I would say probably Trump's one of them.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think he sees a good domestic political outcome
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of going to war with Iran.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: What lengths are they willing to go to make this happen?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't... I mean, I think attacking Iran in
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: an unprovoked fashion, killing nuclear scientists, attempting to kill, I
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: don't know, the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, that
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: would be the most extreme thing possible, and it would
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: lead to a catastrophic eruption of violence that would draw
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the U.S. in.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Do you think.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Israel's planning to attack Iran?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: How soon do you think that's going to happen?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Fairly soon because of the window I mentioned with Donald Trump,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: the midterms coming up. Also, Iran is restoring its air defenses.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: They may be importing- Iran knows something's coming. This is obvious.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: So they can't allow Iran to rebuild its ballistic missile capacity.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: They know that the enriched uranium is out there somewhere,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: but they may not know where. They're afraid of nuclear
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: scientists learning how to develop weapons, so they want to
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: kill them all. It's very maniacal, and Israel really feels
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: like this is it, like they are at an existential moment.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: That's why they're weaponizing Barry Weiss to take over CBS News.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: That's why you feel so much pressure in our own society,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: because Israel feels like after October 7th, they have to
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: get this done now.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody hears my thing with CBS News. It's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: a very powerful tool, I guess, when you're talking about boomers.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: But it has absolutely no relevance to anybody that's under
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the age of 65 years old.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? When you see, I guess,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Ellison is now thinking of buying Warner Brothers, right? CNN.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're thinking about... Sanders just talked about it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: His group is buying.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: What is it? Correct me here.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: They're Paramount and they're buying... They own Paramount, they own CBS,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and now they're trying to acquire Warner Brothers.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. So....
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I like Barry. I mean, I think Barry's fun. I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: don't know how much, you know, Barry enjoys me at
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the moment. But.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: She did at one point. But... She has an agenda.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: It's very clear.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: It's a very clear agenda is that she's... deeply supportive
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: of kind of this israel at all costs policy um
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and they're going to install her at cbs yep yeah
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: as the ombudsman so she'll be she'll be i guess
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: tasked with determining the tone of the foreign policy coverage
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: on cbs domestic policy coverage all of the coverage.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Uh, presumably, and they just, um, installed this figure. I
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: think his name is Keith Weissman as the ombudsman who
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: will basically neutralize the news division. And he is an
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Israel lobbyist himself who worked at this neocon think tank,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the Hudson Institute in Washington. So it's very clear what
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: their agenda is. And I'm just pointing to it as
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: a sign of desperation and not necessarily a sign of
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: total control.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, what I've seen over the last
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: six months to a year, a lot of people are
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: getting radicalized. They're going to very bad places, right? We
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: don't want a bunch of people in America to become Nazis, obviously.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: We don't want people to become fascists. We don't want.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: People to embrace pathological behavior.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Barry Weiss does, and Israel does, because it reinforces Israel
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: as a sanctuary for Jews. They want anti-Semitism in this country.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: And it also... fuels the ADL's fundraising. So we have
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: to resist that.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, Max Blumenthal, do you....
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: The source that you spoke to, I guess, for this piece,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: does that source believe that there's any potential... And I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if you covered this or not with the source,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: do they believe... there's any potential that in any way, um,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: forces outside of this gunman were responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you covered that or not.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I state clearly in this piece that
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I have no evidence of an Israeli government.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. I understand that.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Did your source, who was a highly placed Trump confidant
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of some kind, uh, Did, do they, I don't know
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: if you can make an inference or if they had
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: said anything to you, but like, were they considering that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: as a possibility?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I would say they're, they don't accept the official story
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: or no one even knows what the official story is.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: So a highly placed person in the Trump inner circle
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't believe the official story of Charlie's murder.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, no one does, but I would just say
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: that the, the phrase I remember hearing is it feels
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: like there's more at play here. And I, you know, I'm,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: that's not the only person with more power than me
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: in Washington that I'm hearing that from, but I, again.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: So you're hearing from multiple people that are connected and
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: tapped in that they believe that there's more at play
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: or more to the story than simply one radicalized young man?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I heard subsequent to publishing this story from another source
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: who I would describe as a administration insider that corroborated
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: the account in this story. First, that Charlie Kirk was
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: actively and aggressively involved personally lobbying Trump against bombing Iran
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: in June. And two, that right now, the FBI is
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: not being forthcoming. And there's a lot of frustration with
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: the FBI not sharing information.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: So because, I mean, just to reiterate again, you're not
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: a nut. You're a reporter. People may disagree with you.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: You're anti-Zion.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people that are going to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: say that you're a little paranoid when it comes to
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Israel and that Israel's behind everything. I'm just saying this
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: is not what I'm saying. I'm saying this is an
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: attack that you've probably faced before.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: But you're a reporter.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: You're not a nut. You're not a crazy person. You
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: grew up in Washington, D.C., You have connections to a
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: lot of these people. You have sources and you're not
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: speaking to schizophrenics on the street.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: You're not talking to crazy people.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: This is not things you're getting off message boards or
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a discord. You're talking to people in the know that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: believe there's more to the story. That's pretty shocking.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I can only say that I wrote this. I mean,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: some people want to say there was this prefabricated narrative
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: on the right that the killer was a leftist or
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: a Muslim. They clearly wanted that. Now, you know, people
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: on the left are saying he was a griper. I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: don't know what will be the case, but the reason
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I wrote this story was because I was able to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: get this background about Charlie Kirk and what was happening
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: in his life and what was coloring his final days
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: and the kind of pressure he was under, which tells
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: a larger story about Israeli influence in the United States.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: And that's just an issue I've been covering for years.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: So that's why I reported this story. I didn't report
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: this story to prove that Israel has a direct role
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: in his assassination.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: But there is a real reason why many people who
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: are not able to talk to people with any proximity
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: to power believe that is the case. And it's because
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: the way Israel's conducting itself.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Around the globe.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Final question to you in a hypothetical world. In a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: hypothetical world. And I know you're a reporter, so it's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: hard to entertain this.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Knowing what you know.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: About what we talked about, about now is the moment
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and now is the time and everybody needs the money
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and everybody needs this Iran regime change and everyone obviously
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: has that perspective and that interest, Netanyahu and Adelson, all
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: these people.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: In a hypothetical world... Would.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: The head of a campus organization that is hugely influential
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: in grassroots political organizing and fundraising, do you think, and again,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: this is not to say there is evidence of this,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: because obviously you have none of it. In a hypothetical world,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: how dangerous is a Charlie Kirk to the people you're
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: talking about? How dangerous is him making a turn on Israel?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: How substantive and dangerous is that? And in a hypothetical world,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: is it dangerous enough where you would have to eliminate
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: him in some way?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I think if he had gone further than he
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: was going, and continue to give voice to the grassroots
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: of his own organization, they would have eliminated him, but
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: not physically. I mean, they would have sought to have
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: eliminated him politically or just to remove him. And they
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: were already calling for that. Ben Shapiro, who's now running
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: around saying he was Charlie Kirk's best friend, said just days,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I think it was just days before Charlie Kirk was killed,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: he said that you can't be at the front of
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  Speaker 3: the church giving space to kooks And then just a
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  Speaker 3: few days later, when Charlie Kirk was at the front
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  Speaker 3: of the church, he was struck in the neck by
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  Speaker 3: a sniper's bullet. And then Ben Shapiro, within 24 hours, said, well,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to go on his own campus tour and
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  Speaker 3: pick up the bloody microphone that Charlie Kirk left for us.
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  Speaker 3: So they did not want someone giving space to anti-Israel
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  Speaker 3: critics or just the real mood in this country, they
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  Speaker 3: needed to hold the line. So I think there are
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  Speaker 3: easier ways to get rid of someone and cleaner ways
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  Speaker 3: than assassination. I've been the target of that for many years,
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  Speaker 3: but for sure. And he was a gigantic threat to
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  Speaker 3: Israeli control over the Republican Party, maybe the biggest threat
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  Speaker 3: since Trump has proven so easy to move and manipulate
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  Speaker 3: and so afraid. I mean, we can't overestimate Charlie Kirk's
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  Speaker 3: importance to the Trump machine and to the Republican party.
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  Speaker 3: He was sort of a, a unique figure and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he can be replaced. It will also be
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see who steps into his wake. And I
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  Speaker 3: think I should, I might be having more, I might
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  Speaker 3: have more to report on this by the way. So.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Max, Max Blumenthal, the website is
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  Speaker 1: called the gray zone. You guys, uh, do some really
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  Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Um, Anything coming up you'd want people to
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  Speaker 1: check out? Well, yeah, just watch this space. We might
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  Speaker 1: have more to report on this.
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  Speaker 3: And I really appreciate you giving me the mic and
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  Speaker 3: giving me the space to talk about it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I love the work that you do.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank your wife. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she contributed to the story as well. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, both of you. And we'll have you back
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  Speaker 1: if there's new developments.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.