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The Kenny Report | 9 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Let's get into another week here
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Speaker 2: on the Kenny Report. Now, while your cost of living
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Speaker 2: crisis mounts, Labor is intent on attacking the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, the Albanese government's grand promise to build a
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Speaker 2: million houses.
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Speaker 1: Is going nowhere.
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Speaker 2: US voters are already dropping off Kamala Harris as this
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Speaker 2: week's debate with Donald Trump learns. Also, the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: into Veterans Suicide recommends sweeping changes to properly support and
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Speaker 2: care for our diggers. Plus, Paul Murray joins me, Gemton
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Speaker 2: Uni Carolina. Also Sophie Ellsworth plenty more, Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: New research has revealed that more than forty percent more
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Speaker 2: than four and ten mortgage holders in this country were
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Speaker 2: struggling to make their home loan repayments last month. That's
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Speaker 2: one point four million households who are struggling to pay
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Speaker 2: their home loans. Now that interest rates have gone up
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Speaker 2: thirteen times, twelve of those rises under the Albanezi Labor government,
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Speaker 2: and more than one in ten mortgage holders that's more
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Speaker 2: than ten percent of mortgage holders have actually missed a
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Speaker 2: payment already, So this is the cost of living crisis
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Speaker 2: on steroids for so many families. The cost of power
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Speaker 2: and groceries and other essentials keep going up, but it's
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Speaker 2: the high interest rates on the mortgage that actually threatens
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Speaker 2: the very roof over people's heads, the biggest investment most
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Speaker 2: of us will ever make. This news comes as another
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Speaker 2: survey has shown that over the past two years, disposable
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Speaker 2: income in our country has fallen further than in any
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Speaker 2: other developed country. We are getting poorer, Yet while labor government,
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Speaker 2: state and federal keeps spending at record levels, they try
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Speaker 2: to pretend they're not fueling inflation and forcing the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank to keep rates higher for longer. The treasurer is
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Speaker 2: as smugger's ever, even when we're in a per capita recession,
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Speaker 2: a per household recession, our standard of living going backwards,
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Speaker 2: and labor promised actually to ease the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Most of us see an economic challenge, but Jim Charmers
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Speaker 2: sees party politics.
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Speaker 3: We're desperate for the economy to go into recession. They
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Speaker 3: desperately want higher interest rates, they desperately want higher inflation.
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Speaker 3: They desperately want the economy to go backwards because it
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Speaker 3: serves their political purposes.
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Speaker 2: What's even more extraordinary is the way Labour seems intent
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Speaker 2: on attacking the Reserve Bank. Last week, Jim Charmers said
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Speaker 2: the RBA's interest rate policies were smashing the economy, and
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Speaker 2: on Friday, his former boss, the former Treasurer Wayne Swann,
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Speaker 2: now Federal President of the ALP, well he went in
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Speaker 2: even harder.
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Speaker 4: The drivers of inflation in this country are not going
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Speaker 4: to be affected and not going to not going to
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Speaker 4: come down by hammering mums and dads with higher rates.
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Speaker 5: But that's the only weapon that the RBA has in
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Speaker 5: its arsenal.
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Speaker 6: Really, it's the government that has more things that it
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Speaker 6: can do in order to bring down inflation.
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Speaker 4: Well, the government is doing a lot to bring down inflation,
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Speaker 4: but the Reserve Bank is simply punching itself in the face.
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Speaker 4: It's counterproductive and it's not good to economic policy, and
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Speaker 4: I'm incredibly disappointed at what they're doing now.
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Speaker 2: Swan is hardly someone you'd turned to for economic advice
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Speaker 2: and it's no surprise the Opposition focused on this Reserve
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Speaker 2: bank bashing in question time today, Treasurer.
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Speaker 7: Why does the ALB and easy Labor government thinks it's
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Speaker 7: acceptable to bully the independent RBA in this way when
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Speaker 7: all they're doing is cleaning up labour's economic mess. Why
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Speaker 7: is the government fighting the Reserve Bank of Australia while
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Speaker 7: Australian families go backwards.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Treasurer tried to pretend there's no conflict, that
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Speaker 2: there's no rg with the RBA.
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Speaker 3: First of all, the Governor of the Reserve Bank doesn't
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Speaker 3: consider it the way that the Deputy Leader has said.
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Speaker 3: That's the first point.
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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, when the Governor was asked about a war
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Speaker 2: with the Treasurer last week, she wisely and understandably said
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't go that farm.
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Speaker 5: Back to the smashing of the economy comments from Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 5: the Opposition leader has said today that you and the
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Speaker 5: Treasurer are at war, are you?
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Speaker 8: He's doing his job and I'm doing mine.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't use those sorts of words.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she wouldn't use those sorts of words.
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Speaker 2: But secondly, the ramped up attack from Wayne Swan came
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Speaker 2: the day after those comments from the Governor. So if
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Speaker 2: Michelle Bullock didn't think she and her organization were directly
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Speaker 2: under attack from Labor, then.
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Speaker 1: She sure knows.
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Speaker 2: Now this is a transparent and unprecedented effort by Labor
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Speaker 2: to shift the blame to the Reserve Bank for the
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Speaker 2: state of the economy and the pain that's being experienced
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Speaker 2: by voters. And it's also an obvious attempt to push
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Speaker 2: the bank towards the interest rate decisions that labor wants.
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Speaker 2: Instead of doing what it can to lower spending and
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Speaker 2: improve productivity. Labor is using bully boy tactics. And meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis grinds on. While we're looking
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Speaker 2: at Parliament, let me call out some infuriating hypocrisy. Listen
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Speaker 2: to the Minister for Social Services, Amanda Riskworth, congratulate herself
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Speaker 2: on what the government says it's going to do to
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Speaker 2: end violence against women and children.
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Speaker 9: Since the day we're elected, our government has made the
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Speaker 9: safety of women and children experiencing family, domestic and sexual
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Speaker 9: violence and national priority. Our government, along with states and territories,
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Speaker 9: are united in our efforts under the National Plan to
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Speaker 9: End Violence against Women and Children.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hundreds of millions of dollars to be spent.
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Speaker 2: But I showed you last week what happened after Labor,
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Speaker 2: against the advice of many people scrapped the cashless debit
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Speaker 2: card which was being tried for welfare recipients in some communities.
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Speaker 2: Many people warned Labor not to scrap the cashless debit card,
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Speaker 2: including the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australian's Senator just sent
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Speaker 2: to Namba jimper Price. But Labour reckoned they knew better,
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Speaker 2: and scrap it they did. And last week I showed
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Speaker 2: you the report that examined what's unfolded since Labor scrapped
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Speaker 2: the card. The report cited evidence that alcohol consumption and
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Speaker 2: misuse increased considerably in the trial areas after the card
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Speaker 2: was scrapped, and it found the incidents of public drinking
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Speaker 2: and intoxication was seen to have risen, along with the
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Speaker 2: consumption of high alcohol products and rates of alcohol related violence,
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Speaker 2: more violence, alcohol fueled violence. The study also found concerns
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Speaker 2: about declining levels of child wellbeing and welfare after the
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Speaker 2: card was scrapped, with some children not being fed or
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Speaker 2: clothed properly, not attending school and being out on the
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Speaker 2: streets unsupervised at night. Yeah, that's something Labor did and
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Speaker 2: that's the result. And remember last week in that ABC
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Speaker 2: interview with the Minister Responsible she didn't seem to know
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Speaker 2: what to do or say, Look, what.
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Speaker 1: We're doing is getting on with what works.
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Speaker 10: What we're doing is investing in community.
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Speaker 1: Know what works, well.
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Speaker 9: It's money on the ground, money on the ground for
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Speaker 9: support services. That's what makes it different.
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Speaker 1: You don't know if it's worse or better.
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Speaker 2: It's well, yeah, more money, no idea. They always think
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Speaker 2: more spending is the answer. And now that same minister
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Speaker 2: gets all high and mighty and full of self praise
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Speaker 2: as she promises more spending to protect women and children
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Speaker 2: right across the county. But the cashless debit card was
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Speaker 2: one practical, working initiative that was already doing that. It
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Speaker 2: was helping women and children, protecting them, and labor scrapped it.
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Speaker 1: Shameful.
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Speaker 2: Just two days now till the first presidential debate between
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Speaker 2: Republican candidate and former President Donald Trump, of course, up
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Speaker 2: against the Democrat candidate and serving Vice President Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: The media has been fawning over Harris. As you know,
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Speaker 2: there's been little to no scrutiny and accountability. One soft
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Speaker 2: interview and despite all the hooplar and the gushing praise
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Speaker 2: and the high profile endorsements from the Democrat National Convention.
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Speaker 1: Her honeymoon already looks to be over.
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Speaker 2: After an initial polling boost for Harris, The latest New
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Speaker 2: York Times poll has the contender's neck and neck. Trump
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Speaker 2: is actually ahead forty eight percent to forty seven but
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Speaker 2: the difference, of course, is meaningly given the margin of
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Speaker 2: error in the polling, so it's incredibly tight. And of
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Speaker 2: course the national polling numbers don't matter much. It's all
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Speaker 2: about the key swing states, and they too are looking
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Speaker 2: line ball.
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Speaker 10: Where do things stand?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Christian, two days before this debate, this is what
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Speaker 11: you're looking at. In the seven core battleground stats. You
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Speaker 11: are seeing razor thin contest here. You see less than
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Speaker 11: a point less than a point one point seven battleground
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Speaker 11: stats here that we think are likely to decade the
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Speaker 11: electoral college the road to two seventy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the signs are that the election is going
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Speaker 2: to be incredibly close.
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Speaker 1: All those states will be key, but.
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Speaker 2: Especially keep an eye on Pennsylvania and Georgia. Also a
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Speaker 2: lot hinges on what issues dominate between now and polling day,
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Speaker 2: and Trump is favored by a clear majority of voters.
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Speaker 1: On the economy, so that's a big plus for him.
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Speaker 2: All This adds to the pressure, of course, and expectations
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Speaker 2: for Wednesday's debate. But I just wanted to make two
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Speaker 2: related points. One is to remind you that there is
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Speaker 2: still a serving president. Joe Biden is shuffling around somewhere,
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Speaker 2: constantly confusing everyone, including himself. Have a look here where
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Speaker 2: he's discussing computer chip procurement, and for a moment he
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Speaker 2: thinks he's been to North Korea. Invest So right from
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Speaker 2: country down, I travel from North Korea anyway, South Korea
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Speaker 2: to across the world. Yes, South Korea, that's the one
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Speaker 2: you would have been to it. Don't think you have
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Speaker 2: been to North Korea, Joe. You'd remember it if you
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Speaker 2: went there. Honestly, he doesn't know where he is a
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Speaker 2: lot of the time, let alone where he's been. The
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Speaker 2: point here is who could possibly blame Biden? If he
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Speaker 2: stood down from the job now on clear medical advice,
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Speaker 2: he'd be doing everyone a favor, and he'd allow Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris to go to the election as the sitting president.
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Speaker 2: As the incumbent, she'd only get to serve one elected
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Speaker 2: term after that, of course, but you'd think the advantage
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Speaker 2: might be seen significant enough to exercise the minds, at
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Speaker 2: least of the Democrat power brokers, but we see no movement, of.
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Speaker 1: Course, in that direction. Now.
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Speaker 2: The other point is the way that Harris is campaigning
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Speaker 2: on all range of issues, even on gun control. After
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Speaker 2: the latest horrific school shooting last week, we have to.
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Speaker 11: End this epidemic of gun violence in our country once
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Speaker 11: and for all.
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Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't have to be this way.
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Speaker 10: It doesn't have to be this way.
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Speaker 2: She's talking like somebody should do something, and that maybe
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Speaker 2: she could if she had the chance. But she's in
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Speaker 2: office now, she's the vice president.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Gun control is a difficult political reform in the US.
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Speaker 1: We all know that.
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Speaker 2: But Harris keeps getting away with talking about all sorts
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Speaker 2: of things that she might get to work on, which
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Speaker 2: totally overlooks the fact that she's part of the current
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Speaker 2: administration and anything that needs doing now, well she should
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Speaker 2: have been working on that already.
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Speaker 1: Anyway.
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Speaker 2: I can't I can't wait to see how she fares
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. It'll be Wednesday morning, our time. And I
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Speaker 2: can't wait to see either whether Donald Trump can be
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Speaker 2: disciplined like he was in that first debate against Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: We've already seen one of the most consequential presidential debates
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Speaker 2: in history when Biden imploded Live to where in June.
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Speaker 2: This next one, the first between Harris and Trump. It
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Speaker 2: could be just as telling and we'll be all over
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Speaker 2: it here on Sky News.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We told you at the time, of course, that Labour's
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Speaker 2: housing plan was all pie in the sky stuff was
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Speaker 2: always a fantasy. He's a reminder of what the government promised.
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Speaker 3: To build the affordable homes that our country desperately needs
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Speaker 3: and to help tackle our housing crisis. The ambition of
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Speaker 3: this accord is big and it's bold. It's an aspiration
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Speaker 3: to build one million new well located homes over five years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that was a million homes, including the construction of
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Speaker 2: forty thousand social housing dwellings. But as The Australian reports,
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Speaker 2: no new dwellings have been completed after more than two
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Speaker 2: years in office.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Let's bring in the master build.
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Speaker 2: As an Australia Chief Executive Danita warn who's joining us
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Speaker 2: live from Canberra, Thanks for joining us, Anita. This seems
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Speaker 2: incredible that in two years you couldn't get a few
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Speaker 2: houses built, not even any.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 12: It'd be great to think that we could build some, Chris,
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Speaker 12: although I must say we've got a huge number of
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Speaker 12: labor shortages, so there might have been some delays. Anyway,
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Speaker 12: we understand Housing Australia will announce the first round of
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Speaker 12: those tenders sometime this month, but of course we've then
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Speaker 12: got to actually start building, so it is going to
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Speaker 12: take quite some time the term of this parliament. Nevertheless,
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Speaker 12: something is better than notugh, and certainly we need to
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Speaker 12: be focusing not only on government funded housing but also
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Speaker 12: increasing private demand exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've got record immigration, we've got a housing crisis,
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Speaker 2: we've got the mortgage stress crisis as well as I
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Speaker 2: talked about at the top of the program. But you're
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Speaker 2: talking about tenders going out next month. The ground is
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Speaker 2: not going to be tilled. The foundations are not going
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Speaker 2: to be poured on in these houses till a second term.
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Speaker 1: If labor wins the election, a whole term to get cracking.
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Speaker 10: That's all right, Chris.
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Speaker 12: And certainly the biggest issue that's confronting the industry at
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Speaker 12: the moment is about actually getting land ready for building
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Speaker 12: in the first place. So you know, we know we've
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Speaker 12: got shortages of labor, shortages of resources in key critical infrastructure.
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Speaker 12: So the delays we're seeing just purely to get the
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Speaker 12: civil works before we can then start building is significant.
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Speaker 12: And then of course once we start building, we need
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Speaker 12: to ensure that we appropriate labor. So this is not
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Speaker 12: just a housing portfolio issue. It is and it is
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Speaker 12: not just a federal government issue. It's all layers of
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Speaker 12: government that need to stop the talk and start action.
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Speaker 12: And also we need to ensure that all leaders of
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Speaker 12: government are working in the same way as opposed to
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Speaker 12: being inconsistent with one another.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is what frustrates me so much, and especially
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Speaker 2: with a labor approach to this sort of issue, a
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Speaker 2: housing crisis and the need to get more homes built.
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Speaker 2: They come up with a big, grand promise and a
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Speaker 2: big new program and all sorts of spending.
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Speaker 1: And more laws and more rules and more funds.
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Speaker 2: Surely the answer to our housing crisis is governments.
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Speaker 1: As you say, at all levels, local, state, and federal
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Speaker 1: getting out of the way, making.
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Speaker 2: It simpler to get approvals and simpler to actually get
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Speaker 2: out there and build it so the private sector can
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Speaker 2: satisfy that demand. At the moment, government just makes it
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Speaker 2: all more expensive and slows it all down.
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Speaker 1: So right, Chris.
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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, we're seeing building costs increase between thirty to forty percent.
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Speaker 12: It now takes nearly double the time to build a
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Speaker 12: detached home and another year in terms of high density building,
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Speaker 12: and part of that is compliance and delays, and so
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Speaker 12: we need to try and steam steam roll streamline their
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Speaker 12: problems and ensure that we get our building as quickly
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Speaker 12: as possible. For us, it's all about planning, zoning, efficiencies, people,
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Speaker 12: and of course industrial relations. We've had huge changes to
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Speaker 12: industrial relations in many instances inefficient. We've been very supportive
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Speaker 12: of the administration of the CFMU, but that's just the
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Speaker 12: first step in that place.
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Speaker 1: A lot more work to be done to make.
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Speaker 12: Us as productive as possible to build those one million homes.
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Speaker 12: And of course we can't forget the all governments agreed
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Speaker 12: not just to one million, but one point two million
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Speaker 12: at National Cabinet in August last year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not hold our breath, but let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: As you say, thanks for joining us, Anita, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Tanita warn there, who's the Chief executive Masters Builders Australia.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get back stick with canber now.
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Speaker 2: And another big issue that's dominated the day has been
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Speaker 2: the release of the Royal Commission into Veterans' Suicide has
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Speaker 2: recommended sweeping changes to the way we deal with our
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Speaker 2: veterans after they've served this nation.
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Speaker 1: So proudly, here's the Defense Minister, Richard Males.
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Speaker 13: The Royal Commission's final report and recommendations will strengthen our
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Speaker 13: approach to the mental health and welfare of defense personnel,
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Speaker 13: of veterans and of their families. And we will now
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Speaker 13: work through the recommendations in a timely and methodical manner.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Liberal MP Keith Wallahan, who joins us
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Speaker 2: live from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: He's a veteran himself. Thanks for joining us, Keith.
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you on a range of issues,
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Speaker 2: but I want to start on this firstly, the trauma
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Speaker 2: of what's been teased out and put on the table
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Speaker 2: through this Royal Commission. So many veterans suiciding, so much
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Speaker 2: so many difficulties for them adjusting to life back at
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Speaker 2: home in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Post their service.
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Speaker 2: Now as a veteran yourself, every veteran I speak to,
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Speaker 2: they know people. There's people they serve with well no
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Speaker 2: personally who have lost their lives in this way, can
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Speaker 2: you tell us about your own assessment of the problem.
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Speaker 14: Here they do, And for many of us who have
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Speaker 14: been veterans, we consider ourselves fortunate when we sort of
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Speaker 14: get on with life and we have children and jobs,
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Speaker 14: and sometimes we don't look in the rear view mirror.
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Speaker 14: And I sat in the chamber today when the Defense
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Speaker 14: Minister tabled the report and he acknowledged a mother in
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Speaker 14: the chamber whose son Dave was killed and prompted this
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Speaker 14: royal commission. And you could see the raw emotion in
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Speaker 14: her when he acknowledged her son. And that's what we
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Speaker 14: forget in all of this. When a veteran a week
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Speaker 14: dies on average, it's twenty times the number that we
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Speaker 14: lose in combat incidents. But behind each of those is
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Speaker 14: a mum sitting in a bedroom holding a picture of
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Speaker 14: her son and the future that he or she never had.
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Speaker 14: And that's who I'm thinking of today. There are many
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Speaker 14: many mothers and fathers who are thinking of their children.
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Speaker 14: But we must also as legislators, read the report properly
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Speaker 14: and not make it just another one that sits on
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Speaker 14: the shelf and we do nothing about. So I encourage
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Speaker 14: all of my colleagues on both sides of politics to
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Speaker 14: let's read the report and let's come together and make
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Speaker 14: sure that this one leads to the change that is needed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a.
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Speaker 2: Lot to be picking through, a lot of detail to discuss,
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Speaker 2: so I won't try and pretend we have all the
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Speaker 2: solutions now. But there's a pretty clear recommendation that the
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Speaker 2: Veterans Affairs Department just isn't working and you might need
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Speaker 2: a new body, essentially start from scratch to help veterans
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Speaker 2: readjust the civilian life.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 14: I'll consider the reports and look into it, but I
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Speaker 14: think what we do know is that red tape isn't
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Speaker 14: just a buzzword when it comes to veterans affairs. I've
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Speaker 14: spoken to other veteran friends of mine about how they
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Speaker 14: process their claims. And I'm a lawyer by background, i
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Speaker 14: went on to be a barrister. I found it really
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Speaker 14: confusing to get my head around it. Now things have
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Speaker 14: moved on, we have a new act, and I think
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Speaker 14: we have a new renewed sense of prepose to be
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Speaker 14: fair to the DVA. So I think there's a lot
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Speaker 14: of good work that is being done to make sure
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Speaker 14: that we reduce that red tape and that people who
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Speaker 14: need help get it in a timely way. And again,
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Speaker 14: let's see if we can acknowledge that some good steps
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Speaker 14: are being done, but also where we can do better,
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Speaker 14: then we must do better.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to the cut and thrust of
20:37
Speaker 2: question time today, and the opposition focused very strongly on
20:40
Speaker 2: the economy and especially the way that Jim Charmers and
20:44
Speaker 2: now the federal President of the ALP, Wayne Swamp are
20:47
Speaker 2: attacking the Reserve Bank.
20:50
Speaker 1: This is unprecedented.
20:51
Speaker 2: They're basically trying to shift the blame for the cost
20:55
Speaker 2: of living crisis to the Reserve Bank and trying to
20:57
Speaker 2: bully them into lowering rates.
21:01
Speaker 14: It's unprecedented, and it's unprecedented for this government too. Up
21:05
Speaker 14: until recently, Jim Chalmers did back in the independence of
21:08
Speaker 14: the RBA. He was a big defender.
21:10
Speaker 1: So in some room.
21:11
Speaker 14: Somewhere, some political advisor has suggested this as a political tactic,
21:17
Speaker 14: and that's what they're going ahead and prosecuting. And Jim
21:20
Speaker 14: Chalmers is trying to walk himself back from the comments
21:23
Speaker 14: given by his old boss, Wayne Swan. But Wayne Swan
21:26
Speaker 14: isn't just another former politician. He's the current president of
21:29
Speaker 14: the Labor Party. He's not doing things or saying things
21:32
Speaker 14: without instruction, and he's not doing it in a way
21:34
Speaker 14: that is not approved by his political party.
21:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Thanks for joining us, Keith, I appreciate it.
21:40
Speaker 2: Keith willerhand there, Liberal and p joining us live from Camra.
21:43
Speaker 2: Of course we want interest rates to go down, that's uncontested,
21:48
Speaker 2: but bullying the RBA to force them down threatens their
21:52
Speaker 2: independence and also threatens them doing it prematurely. We need
21:56
Speaker 2: them to go down when the RBA knows that inflation
21:59
Speaker 2: is beaten, because if inflation gets out of the genies
22:03
Speaker 2: bottle again, then we'll all pay it even higher price.
22:05
Speaker 2: So it is unprecedented and we'll keep an eye on that.
22:07
Speaker 2: Labour won't come on and talk about it though. Of
22:09
Speaker 2: course we're going.
22:10
Speaker 1: To get to a break.
22:11
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I'll catch up with
22:12
Speaker 2: gematon Uni and Caroline Drusso we're going to talk about
22:15
Speaker 2: Anthony Albinezi and this ridiculous kifuffle about gender sexuality and
22:20
Speaker 2: the census, and also protecting kids from social.
22:24
Speaker 1: Media, the New way Forward.
22:29
Speaker 2: Let's get into the panel now with gematon Uni from
22:32
Speaker 2: GT Communications, AGEMA and Skott newsst Caroline Derusso live from Perth.
22:37
Speaker 1: I want to start on social media.
22:39
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about these various pushes from various
22:42
Speaker 2: directions to try and limit the access of social media
22:45
Speaker 2: to teenagers, to block them getting on before they're fourteen.
22:49
Speaker 1: Caro. The South Australian government's going to do it themselves.
22:53
Speaker 2: I mean, good on them from giving giving it a go.
22:56
Speaker 2: But it should be national, shouldn't it.
23:00
Speaker 5: I think it probably should be national, and I think
23:03
Speaker 5: it's one of those things that's just easier to achieve
23:06
Speaker 5: if every jurisdiction does it the same way, all at
23:10
Speaker 5: the same time. The problem is is often with these
23:13
Speaker 5: sorts of things, if one state does it then another,
23:15
Speaker 5: you end up with conflicting and different regulations across the
23:20
Speaker 5: entire country, and then that makes it difficult for businesses
23:24
Speaker 5: to comply. So I figure if there was just one
23:26
Speaker 5: way of doing it across the board, that would probably
23:29
Speaker 5: be in everyone's interests. I think it's a pretty, you know,
23:34
Speaker 5: a fair thing to do. I think there are a
23:36
Speaker 5: lot of concerns in relation to social media, and while
23:39
Speaker 5: i'm you know, very much a free speech we're almost
23:43
Speaker 5: absolutest as much as is possible. You know, I think
23:47
Speaker 5: these are sorts of things which really do heavily affect
23:50
Speaker 5: children and the things that we didn't have to contend
23:52
Speaker 5: with growing up. So I think in that sense we
23:55
Speaker 5: do need to move and I think it's I think
23:57
Speaker 5: it is a good policy, but consist across the border
24:01
Speaker 5: be the best way.
24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:02
Speaker 2: Peter Melanawski is a very very sensible and smart labor
24:05
Speaker 2: leader in South Australia.
24:06
Speaker 1: The Premiere.
24:07
Speaker 2: He says he wants a national approach, but he doesn't
24:10
Speaker 2: want to wait, so he's getting cracking on with it himself.
24:13
Speaker 15: Here is we see kids being done harm. We know
24:18
Speaker 15: that's true from a growing body of international, peer reviewed research.
24:23
Speaker 15: So it's time for governments to act. And you know,
24:26
Speaker 15: I don't think any leader around the country should sit
24:29
Speaker 15: on their hands in this matter.
24:31
Speaker 1: Jimma, Good on him. If he forces the place of
24:33
Speaker 1: national change, all the better.
24:35
Speaker 10: Is that leadership I spy.
24:38
Speaker 1: I suspect that relationship. We haven't seen them for a while.
24:40
Speaker 6: Well as I live and breathe, it exists.
24:43
Speaker 10: It exists in the Labor Party. Good on him. It's
24:45
Speaker 10: a great policy.
24:46
Speaker 6: I mean, we restrict the access of children to drugs
24:49
Speaker 6: and to alcohol. We acknowledge that as young people, they
24:53
Speaker 6: are not capable of making certain decisions about going to war,
24:56
Speaker 6: sexual relationships, all of these things, and it is documented,
25:00
Speaker 6: it is proven, the harm that social media does to them.
25:04
Speaker 6: So I one hundred percent support this. And I would
25:06
Speaker 6: also say I heard someone commentating.
25:08
Speaker 10: Today on the wireless.
25:09
Speaker 6: I can't remember what I was listening to, but they're like, oh,
25:11
Speaker 6: it's so hard for parents.
25:13
Speaker 10: Well, of course it's hard for parents. Parenting is hard.
25:15
Speaker 6: It's not supposed to be easy. And I've mentioned this
25:17
Speaker 6: couple before. They know who they are, but they're two
25:19
Speaker 6: children who are now just in their early twenties. They
25:22
Speaker 6: didn't give them smartphones and I said, how did that go?
25:26
Speaker 6: And they said, well, you know, they live in our
25:28
Speaker 6: house and we united as parents and that's.
25:30
Speaker 1: What we did.
25:31
Speaker 6: And I get that that's an ideal nuclear family, and
25:33
Speaker 6: not all families are in that situation. I just think, yes,
25:38
Speaker 6: there's a government role, yes there's a regulatory role, but
25:41
Speaker 6: we must say parents, this is part of the job.
25:44
Speaker 1: In the end, it's parents. I'm that now, facing that now.
25:47
Speaker 2: But these laws make it easier for parents too, which
25:50
Speaker 2: is great. The other show I want to raise, is
25:53
Speaker 2: this idea of whether we have a census question about
25:55
Speaker 2: whether we're gay or by or whatever.
25:58
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why no one cares about this.
26:00
Speaker 2: But here's what the Prime Minister had to say today
26:02
Speaker 2: about resolving this great conundrum.
26:06
Speaker 16: I have argued the case for equality regardless of people's
26:10
Speaker 16: sexual orientation, regardless of their opposition, regardless of their race,
26:17
Speaker 16: regardless of their faith. What the census is about is recording,
26:22
Speaker 16: recording the state of Australia in twenty twenty six, and
26:26
Speaker 16: that's precisely what it will do.
26:28
Speaker 1: So there we go. We're going to have that question.
26:30
Speaker 1: Is this important? Does it matter?
26:32
Speaker 10: Couldn't call us, couldn't kill us?
26:33
Speaker 6: If your gay straight, both up down, left right, I
26:37
Speaker 6: could not care less. And I think I don't want
26:39
Speaker 6: the government in my bedroom. I don't want the government
26:40
Speaker 6: in my personal life. I just think this is a
26:44
Speaker 6: really good example of the things that are distracting a government.
26:47
Speaker 10: That's sort of to your great column on the weekend shrinking.
26:51
Speaker 6: They are so disconnected from reality if they think everyday
26:55
Speaker 6: Australians give a rat proverbial about that stuff. When all
26:59
Speaker 6: of the financial, all of the social disconnect all of
27:03
Speaker 6: the other things that are going on, and this is
27:04
Speaker 6: the thing that they choose to elevate.
27:07
Speaker 1: I don't see how it's going to change government policy.
27:09
Speaker 2: I don't know how far you can drill down into
27:10
Speaker 2: the census results. I do like drilling into it now
27:14
Speaker 2: and then to find out things about income and whatever
27:16
Speaker 2: various parts of the country. I hope it doesn't come
27:18
Speaker 2: down on ear this one town of fifty and a
27:22
Speaker 2: dozen people say they're gay, and so it starts a
27:24
Speaker 2: guessing game.
27:24
Speaker 1: As to what's going on. Presumably there's none of that
27:27
Speaker 1: in play.
27:29
Speaker 5: No, and this whole thing that you know you can
27:31
Speaker 5: change your gender every other morning, Well, is there a
27:34
Speaker 5: question about how often you change your gender? Just so
27:37
Speaker 5: that we have some idea about about how firm these
27:40
Speaker 5: answers are. I think it's really silly. What has been
27:44
Speaker 5: very interesting is to see how the Prime Minister has
27:48
Speaker 5: been beaten into submission on this. As a comparison obviously
27:51
Speaker 5: to his counterpart in South Australia, he has just totally
27:55
Speaker 5: given way on this, has given into the activists.
27:58
Speaker 10: But I actually don't really see the point.
28:01
Speaker 5: One thing I've really not liked about the conversation the
28:06
Speaker 5: or the I suppose the lobbying in support of these
28:09
Speaker 5: questions is this whole idea of oh, these people they
28:12
Speaker 5: need to count what we do count them. They're human beings.
28:15
Speaker 10: Like the rest of us.
28:16
Speaker 5: They make it sound like as if they're not part
28:19
Speaker 5: of the census at all. Well they are, and then
28:22
Speaker 5: we get told that trans women to women. So can't
28:24
Speaker 5: they just tick the woman box and move on?
28:26
Speaker 10: And what do we need this question for?
28:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems to afuffle over nothing. I saw
28:30
Speaker 2: one wag on the weekend suggested what we should be
28:32
Speaker 2: asking is what footy team people barrick for, because that's
28:35
Speaker 2: what we really that's that's something where we do take
28:38
Speaker 2: an interest in the other person's allegiances.
28:40
Speaker 1: It's very important to us.
28:41
Speaker 2: And that brings us to the Prime Minister because he
28:44
Speaker 2: went to the He went to the Hawthorn game on
28:47
Speaker 2: the weekend at the MCG Hawthorn versus Bulldogs.
28:51
Speaker 1: The Hawks did all right, here's the PM in the
28:54
Speaker 1: rooms after the game.
28:56
Speaker 17: It's great, you can fill the atmosphere right around the
28:59
Speaker 17: ground to the jay.
29:00
Speaker 1: Was an awesome night enjoyed.
29:03
Speaker 4: Good on you.
29:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome night, great game. But he's a rabbit o
29:07
Speaker 1: his NRL man is he. I don't know what he's
29:09
Speaker 1: doing with this Hawks caper.
29:10
Speaker 2: I have a look at how one former Bulldogs player
29:13
Speaker 2: summed it up well.
29:15
Speaker 17: Because I feel like the Prime Minister this is for
29:18
Speaker 17: the good of himself going into the Hawthorn rooms.
29:21
Speaker 1: This sickens me. Anthony Alper He's had a look at
29:25
Speaker 1: the pole.
29:28
Speaker 17: Peter Dunton is closing and he's in front. There's a gap.
29:31
Speaker 17: He feels like, I need to look like a common man.
29:33
Speaker 17: I'm going to go into the Hawthorn rooms. Give it up,
29:35
Speaker 17: Elbow Noe's buying it.
29:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Nathan Brown was a pretty good forward to
29:41
Speaker 2: Carrow and he's a good footy analyst. He shows there
29:43
Speaker 2: he's a pretty good political animals too.
29:47
Speaker 5: I was going to say that there's pretty Nasi. I
29:49
Speaker 5: think he's he's all over that.
29:50
Speaker 1: I mean as a.
29:52
Speaker 5: General rule, I mean, who really cares like this is
29:55
Speaker 5: another thing that I'm like, Oh, the Prime Minister was
29:57
Speaker 5: in the rooms.
29:58
Speaker 10: Whatever.
29:59
Speaker 5: The It's interesting someone has found him in other teams
30:04
Speaker 5: guernseys over the years, so I guess that goes very
30:07
Speaker 5: well with his each way albow persona. I mean, in
30:11
Speaker 5: a sense I don't really care in another sense, and
30:13
Speaker 5: the point was made. You know, people are struggling to
30:16
Speaker 5: pay bills and all that sorts of thing, and the
30:19
Speaker 5: Prime ministers just thought he'd duck down to Melbourne for
30:21
Speaker 5: the footy. I think there's some people who are like,
30:24
Speaker 5: don't you think he's taking the proverbila a little bit?
30:26
Speaker 5: I mean, for me personally, not too fussed, but just
30:29
Speaker 5: more of the same.
30:31
Speaker 2: Having said all that, all power to Hawthorne this week.
30:35
Speaker 2: They can finish the job and get Port Adelaide right
30:37
Speaker 2: out of the finals. But I want to go to
30:39
Speaker 2: Gematon Uni because you've done some research on this talking
30:41
Speaker 2: about each way albou Let's have a look at Albo's
30:45
Speaker 2: Aussie Rules allegiances, look at the take us through this.
30:48
Speaker 18: Yeah.
30:48
Speaker 6: I don't know how I feel about this, but there's
30:50
Speaker 6: a very very important black and white scar that I
30:53
Speaker 6: felt a little bit of my stomach turn when I
30:56
Speaker 6: saw that today on social media.
30:57
Speaker 1: But you know it's not just top Left.
31:01
Speaker 2: He's got the swamps that I haven't thought it's not
31:04
Speaker 2: right and one of them's Geelong where the scars.
31:09
Speaker 6: It's not a There is not a party you won't
31:11
Speaker 6: go to there's not an opening you won't turn up to.
31:14
Speaker 6: There's not a blues festival, a sporting game, the tennis
31:17
Speaker 6: new name it this is party elbow and and I
31:20
Speaker 6: just I just it's like this is the the student
31:24
Speaker 6: bloody protesters. You haven't worked out there in government yet
31:27
Speaker 6: and they haven't worked out that.
31:28
Speaker 2: You know.
31:30
Speaker 6: You can't set you can't set policy and set the
31:33
Speaker 6: nation on a course, you know, in relation to any
31:36
Speaker 6: particular area.
31:37
Speaker 10: But let's talk about the economy.
31:38
Speaker 6: You can't set policy, be responsible for policy, and then
31:42
Speaker 6: turn around and bag out Michelle Bullet for example, because
31:45
Speaker 6: people don't buy it. The Australian public is not that stupid.
31:48
Speaker 6: And when it comes to stuff like this, no die
31:51
Speaker 6: had hard fan Chris would be having like I'm not
31:55
Speaker 6: going to wear a Sydney Swans fan.
31:56
Speaker 10: I'll go a scuff.
31:57
Speaker 6: I'll come to the game with you and I'll share
31:59
Speaker 6: if my team's not, but I will wear a Collingwood scarf.
32:01
Speaker 10: Airbuster.
32:02
Speaker 2: I was there on Saturday with my sons who are
32:05
Speaker 2: my son's are a Swan supporter. He asked me to
32:07
Speaker 2: wear a Swan's scarf. I said, mate, I can't do that.
32:10
Speaker 2: I'm a Crowsman. I'll take you to the footy.
32:12
Speaker 1: I enjoy the game.
32:13
Speaker 2: And speaking of this, I want to show you something
32:15
Speaker 2: from that game, the Battle of the Bridge final at
32:17
Speaker 2: the SCG.
32:18
Speaker 1: On Saturday afternoon.
32:19
Speaker 2: I had to fight very hard to get this to
32:21
Speaker 2: air because my producer Tom Blake is a mad Giants fan.
32:25
Speaker 2: But just have a look at this for a moment,
32:27
Speaker 2: Mills fashion to kick back towards the weak fight.
32:34
Speaker 10: Wow.
32:34
Speaker 2: Now that is Isaac Kenny taking one of the spectacular marks.
32:38
Speaker 2: I just pose the question, Caro, if if there is
32:41
Speaker 2: a sport that goes close to this sport anywhere in
32:43
Speaker 2: the world, I have not seen it.
32:47
Speaker 15: No.
32:48
Speaker 5: And look, we do love our sport, don't we And
32:51
Speaker 5: we we have almost it's almost well, it's incredibly unusual
32:58
Speaker 5: the sorts of allegiances we have to our football team.
33:01
Speaker 5: I remember when Chris Judd left the Eagles to go
33:05
Speaker 5: to Carlton and the entire state went into mourning. Do
33:13
Speaker 5: not cheat on your football team and that's the end
33:15
Speaker 5: of story.
33:17
Speaker 1: Something about authents?
33:18
Speaker 6: What what about?
33:21
Speaker 1: What about when Dangerfield went back to Geelong? Give me
33:24
Speaker 1: a break, but we're going to talk for you r night.
33:26
Speaker 2: We're not going to do that. Thanks so much for
33:28
Speaker 2: joining us, Caraho and General. We'll catch you next week.
33:30
Speaker 10: No, I'm on holidays.
33:32
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll catch up after the show.
33:34
Speaker 2: Then after the break, angry farmers are about to descend
33:38
Speaker 2: on the nation's capital.
33:39
Speaker 1: We'll cross down there.
33:46
Speaker 2: Let's cross back down to Canberra where a lot of
33:48
Speaker 2: people from the rural and regional parts of the country
33:51
Speaker 2: are going to descend tomorrow to make their voices heard.
33:54
Speaker 2: I'm joined by National's MP for the seat of Mally
33:56
Speaker 2: and Victoria and Webster. Good to talk to you again
33:59
Speaker 2: and a big protest plan tomorrow at the front of
34:03
Speaker 2: Parliament House.
34:04
Speaker 1: There'll be people coming from near and far.
34:06
Speaker 2: A grab bag of issues right those who want to
34:09
Speaker 2: make sure that the live sheep export trade is protected
34:14
Speaker 2: the labour's trying to phase it out.
34:15
Speaker 1: But another big focus.
34:17
Speaker 2: Will be on renewable energy that's been rolled out around
34:20
Speaker 2: the country, which I know is a huge issue in
34:22
Speaker 2: your electric too.
34:25
Speaker 19: Absolutely thanks for having me, Chris. I am looking forward
34:29
Speaker 19: to tomorrow. I don't think there's anything better than the
34:32
Speaker 19: real people standing up for the real issues, and farmers
34:35
Speaker 19: have got it on so many fronts. They have been
34:39
Speaker 19: attacked by the labor government and their policies. And this
34:43
Speaker 19: is the first time in forty years that the farmers
34:46
Speaker 19: en Masse with the National Farmers Federation have actually stood
34:50
Speaker 19: against a government. That's a big deal. So I am
34:54
Speaker 19: really hoping, hoping that thousands and thousands of them can
34:59
Speaker 19: make their way here. Of course, it's not the first
35:01
Speaker 19: protests we've had in the last couple of years, but
35:04
Speaker 19: this is the time where everyone is pulling together because
35:07
Speaker 19: there are so many issues for them. All they want
35:10
Speaker 19: to do is grow food and fiber for the nation
35:14
Speaker 19: and the world, and labor is blocking them at every turn.
35:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they do it as efficiently and effectively as
35:20
Speaker 2: well as anybody in the world, and yet they keep
35:22
Speaker 2: getting hit and they're ignored so often by governments, especially
35:26
Speaker 2: especially labor governments.
35:27
Speaker 1: You're hoping thousands are going to be there. Do you
35:29
Speaker 1: have any intel?
35:30
Speaker 2: Wey they're going to be turning up in their tractors
35:32
Speaker 2: and the like to create a bit of a scene
35:34
Speaker 2: because that'll help them get a lot of media attention.
35:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:39
Speaker 19: Look, they've been doing protests around the country, bringing their
35:42
Speaker 19: tractors and their trucks. I believe there are trucks tomorrow.
35:46
Speaker 19: But the big deal is live sheep exports, of course,
35:50
Speaker 19: and the fact that labor have shut it down. We
35:53
Speaker 19: will be standing there as the National Party on mass
35:56
Speaker 19: holding placards and doing our thing port the farmers and
36:01
Speaker 19: the farming industries around Australia. If we don't, they will
36:07
Speaker 19: not exist in time we have As you know, renewable
36:11
Speaker 19: projects are crashing through my electorate. It is ground zero
36:15
Speaker 19: for renewable projects and farmers are very upset, very upset.
36:21
Speaker 1: Well.
36:21
Speaker 2: The live sheet export is a hot one and just
36:23
Speaker 2: ridiculous to try and kill off an industry that not
36:26
Speaker 2: only supports so many Australians but also obviously feeds people overseas. Look,
36:31
Speaker 2: we touch on these renewable projects on every corner of
36:34
Speaker 2: the country and we'll keep doing that.
36:36
Speaker 1: But another focus tomorrow is some of the other climate
36:39
Speaker 1: related policies.
36:40
Speaker 2: There's always pressure from the Greens and this could get
36:43
Speaker 2: worse if there was a minority government to get rid
36:45
Speaker 2: of diesel fuel rebates. So that's just the farmers not
36:50
Speaker 2: having to pay a road tax if you like, for
36:53
Speaker 2: diesel they use on their properties.
36:56
Speaker 19: Yeah, exactly, and they're all well, they're also talking about
37:00
Speaker 19: Scope three emissions. I mean the Greens, let's face it,
37:04
Speaker 19: have no idea how they buy their sushi. They have
37:08
Speaker 19: no idea where it comes from. They probably don't even
37:11
Speaker 19: know that most of the fish that is in Australia
37:14
Speaker 19: is actually brought in from other countries. And you know,
37:18
Speaker 19: we are in a bad way if we allow the
37:21
Speaker 19: Greens to manage policy. And that's what's going to happen.
37:25
Speaker 19: If Labor get in with their Greens, a good strong
37:28
Speaker 19: dose of Greens in both House and Senate, they will
37:33
Speaker 19: make an absolute shmuzzle of our agricultural industries and that
37:37
Speaker 19: includes fishing, forestry, the whole works. It's honestly a disaster.
37:42
Speaker 1: It's a big issue. Thanks for joining us out.
37:44
Speaker 2: I appreciate the Preview and Webster their national mp for
37:47
Speaker 2: the seed of Maley in the nation's capital, and will
37:50
Speaker 2: be all over that for you tomorrow, no doubt.
37:52
Speaker 1: I'm joined the desk now by Sky and News host
37:55
Speaker 1: great man Paul Murray.
37:56
Speaker 2: This is great, isn't it to see these people from
37:58
Speaker 2: the regions. You ignore us, you don't listen to us.
38:01
Speaker 2: You've got all these issues you're trying to do us
38:03
Speaker 2: in on so many fronts. Will turn up at in
38:05
Speaker 2: Canberra and make sure you hear what we've got to say.
38:08
Speaker 1: So there is.
38:08
Speaker 20: Literally a bunch of trucks that have been coming from
38:10
Speaker 20: Western Australia since the weekend. They're rolling tomorrow. Tony C. Brook,
38:15
Speaker 20: the Pastoralists Association, who just hits it out of the
38:17
Speaker 20: park every time he opens his mouth, he's with us tonight.
38:21
Speaker 20: The issue of keep the Sheep in Western Australia is
38:24
Speaker 20: so powerful that even the Teal who was for all
38:28
Speaker 20: of this has now turned is against the band that
38:33
Speaker 20: is in place. So there is going to be maximum
38:35
Speaker 20: pressure on the four seats of the Labor Party one
38:39
Speaker 20: in Western Australia. So whatever the national media does tomorrow,
38:42
Speaker 20: who cares Tony keep the Sheep people? The pressure is maximum.
38:47
Speaker 20: They've got cash, they've got focus, and they've got like
38:49
Speaker 20: almost one hundred thousand people who signed a petition. So
38:52
Speaker 20: no matter how the Gallery deals with it tomorrow, the
38:55
Speaker 20: government's going to have to deal with it the day are. Yeah,
38:58
Speaker 20: a lot of the Gallery will want to ignore it,
39:00
Speaker 20: but Labor knows it's biting and then they know there
39:02
Speaker 20: are other seats around the country too close to the
39:05
Speaker 20: cities where they're impacted by renewable energy schemes and all
39:08
Speaker 20: the rest of it. But also remember last time there
39:11
Speaker 20: was again a bunch of people coming out about this process,
39:14
Speaker 20: this steamrolling process. Whether you like it or not, you
39:17
Speaker 20: get it. What did the Guardian the turnabul times as
39:19
Speaker 20: I call it, turn around and do oh the grab
39:22
Speaker 20: bag of people of misinformation and anti vaxes and basically
39:27
Speaker 20: trying to the whole crowd's kookie. Now, this is a
39:32
Speaker 20: bunch of people who lose money by not going to work.
39:35
Speaker 20: You're talking about the people are turning up at the
39:36
Speaker 20: weapons thing in Melbourne and day oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: That's the point.
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Speaker 2: These people have got a lot of work to direct
39:42
Speaker 2: and they find the time to get there and they're
39:44
Speaker 2: paying their own way, and good on them.
39:47
Speaker 1: And we'll talk to some of them tomorrow.
39:49
Speaker 2: I've got to get your take on the debate this week.
39:51
Speaker 2: I can't wait for Wednesday. You know, these things, it's
39:54
Speaker 2: always easy to inflate expectations. Although we did see Joe
39:58
Speaker 2: Biden implode, but we've never seen Kamala Harra's actually ask
40:02
Speaker 2: a direct or penetrating question.
40:05
Speaker 1: Let's hope we get to see that.
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Speaker 20: I truly believe that. I mean, this is the last
40:11
Speaker 20: known media right of this campaign. Amazingly, the New York
40:16
Speaker 20: Times polling that came out today. It's a national number.
40:18
Speaker 20: And remember it's not about national numbers, it's about those
40:20
Speaker 20: seven swing states. Trump up now to give you an
40:23
Speaker 20: idea of how that compares to Clinton. She's doing worse
40:27
Speaker 20: than Clinton was. She's doing way worse than Biden was
40:30
Speaker 20: at this moment in time, and generally speaking, there's not
40:33
Speaker 20: a huge change in those last few weeks. And Trump
40:36
Speaker 20: always under poles. On the poles, you've got it wrong
40:38
Speaker 20: in the past, So all of the little indicators at
40:40
Speaker 20: the moment are.
40:41
Speaker 1: Good for Trump. He's good on the economy too.
40:43
Speaker 20: But the single worst thing he can do going into
40:45
Speaker 20: that debate is to try to quote unquote knock her out.
40:48
Speaker 20: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he needs to. Everyone knows who
40:52
Speaker 20: he is. The media will already declare that she's the winner.
40:56
Speaker 20: But the rules of the debate, which of course are
40:57
Speaker 20: the same in and around the Biden thing, is great
40:59
Speaker 20: for him because you can't interrupt somebody else, So it
41:02
Speaker 20: forces a level of discipline that's great. If he's up
41:05
Speaker 20: in the polls already, he just needs to moggot on
41:07
Speaker 20: his way through the debate. She who has to remember
41:11
Speaker 20: all the different recipes to word salads in her head,
41:13
Speaker 20: and I think that's going to be a problem.
41:15
Speaker 2: He needs to just try and set up the questions
41:17
Speaker 2: and expose what she's not saying. But the interesting thing
41:21
Speaker 2: is that he was very good on that in the
41:22
Speaker 2: Biden debate. He didn't go very aggressively. He just sort
41:25
Speaker 2: of some really nice raising of the eyebrown and whatever.
41:28
Speaker 2: He made the point known a couple of little sides.
41:30
Speaker 20: Ah, no idea what she just said.
41:33
Speaker 1: Well, she didn't answer the question. She doesn't know the facts.
41:35
Speaker 20: Now, remember I mean again, people are going to say, oh,
41:38
Speaker 20: of course it's you know, Paul and Chris talking about it.
41:40
Speaker 20: But it's true right that the moderator, one of the
41:44
Speaker 20: moderators is one of the black journalists to sort of
41:46
Speaker 20: roll their eyes and carried on a few weeks ago,
41:49
Speaker 20: massive like DEI huge trumpeter. And then they're sort of
41:52
Speaker 20: the ABC News guy who reads their version of the
41:55
Speaker 20: six per years. He's just going to read what's in
41:57
Speaker 20: the teleprompter. And Harris has got mates at the very
42:00
Speaker 20: highest level. It was ABC News, the same people who
42:03
Speaker 20: are putting on this debate, who ended up one of
42:06
Speaker 20: their producers going and producing the January sixth things. So
42:09
Speaker 20: he's going to have all the tough questions in the
42:12
Speaker 20: most pointed fashion. She will have the so tell us
42:16
Speaker 20: how bad he is the question?
42:17
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we expect all that, which is why he
42:19
Speaker 2: needs to just his responses, need to just tease it
42:23
Speaker 2: in the right direction.
42:23
Speaker 1: It's going to be fascinating stuff.
42:24
Speaker 20: Well, he's I mean the ultimate thing I reckon. You're
42:26
Speaker 20: going to see multiple versions of this from him, which
42:29
Speaker 20: is are you better off than you were four years ago? Yep,
42:31
Speaker 20: she'll say, well, four years ago was the height of COVID.
42:33
Speaker 1: And the depth of the We all know what that means.
42:36
Speaker 1: It's cost of living. Where on managing the economy. He's
42:38
Speaker 1: got a clear majority of voters to favor.
42:40
Speaker 2: Him, and he'll want to bring in the wall a
42:43
Speaker 2: bit because that's the one job she had and did nothing.
42:45
Speaker 2: But I think you're right, a little bit of that,
42:47
Speaker 2: but mainly the economy.
42:48
Speaker 20: Well, also, she's flipped and flopped on so many different
42:50
Speaker 20: things that there is so much tape of her and
42:53
Speaker 20: we all know it is her belief right. Bernie Sanders
42:56
Speaker 20: was on television asked about all the flip flopping and
42:58
Speaker 20: so well, she's just being pragmatic.
43:00
Speaker 1: You believe in it or you don't.
43:02
Speaker 20: And I think we all know that Trump's way closer
43:04
Speaker 20: to conviction. And then strangely, even if you don't like it, authenticity,
43:08
Speaker 20: and she's going to be the sort of you know,
43:10
Speaker 20: this fake, this ultra fake who Yes, everyone who hates
43:14
Speaker 20: Trump is going to vote for but those people in
43:16
Speaker 20: the middle. Can she pretend that she wasn't the co
43:19
Speaker 20: pilot of the plane that's gone in the wrong direction.
43:21
Speaker 1: Indeed, great stuff, Paul appreciate it.
43:23
Speaker 2: We'll talk a lot more about that later in the
43:26
Speaker 2: week and Paul will be aback at nine o'clock with
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray Life.
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Speaker 1: I got better get to a break.
43:30
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we'll catch up with
43:31
Speaker 2: the Sophie Osworth Media.
43:33
Speaker 1: Right with the Australia. I'm going to talk.
43:34
Speaker 2: About James Packard's interview on Channel seven and also sixty
43:39
Speaker 2: minutes interview with el McPherson.
43:41
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
43:45
Speaker 2: Just some breaking news for you because we were lauding
43:47
Speaker 2: the South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis earlier because of his
43:51
Speaker 2: stand on social media and limiting access for kids under fourteen.
43:56
Speaker 1: He's pushing ahead with laws.
43:58
Speaker 2: He's trying to force the pace of national We said
44:01
Speaker 2: this was leadership and others will follow. Well, look what
44:04
Speaker 2: just dropped on social media from the Victorian premiere.
44:08
Speaker 8: So it's time to give parents the power to put
44:10
Speaker 8: it back. Not against kids, but against the tech giants.
44:14
Speaker 8: That's why we're going to put age limits on social media.
44:17
Speaker 8: These rules won't target parents or kids, but they'll target
44:20
Speaker 8: the tech giants because they're the ones we need to
44:23
Speaker 8: hold to account.
44:25
Speaker 2: Just into Alan there, good staff. Let's go to Sophie
44:28
Speaker 2: El's with Media right for The Australian, joining us live
44:30
Speaker 2: from Melbourne. A bit of breaking news there, Sophie. But
44:33
Speaker 2: when you see Peter Melanowskas, everyone's saying it's too hard,
44:36
Speaker 2: wait for a national approach.
44:37
Speaker 1: He says, no, we're going to force the pace.
44:39
Speaker 2: Well, look what's happening already sounds like Victoria is going
44:42
Speaker 2: to implement basically copycat legislation to what we're seeing in
44:46
Speaker 2: South Australia.
44:49
Speaker 10: Well it appears that way, Chris.
44:50
Speaker 21: And look Peter Malanowskas, he's obviously pretty popular right now.
44:54
Speaker 21: And Victoria just into Alan is struggling a bit in
44:58
Speaker 21: the popularity stake, so this might be the kick that
45:02
Speaker 21: she needs. But she's obviously following on from him, and
45:05
Speaker 21: we may see more from other leaders across the country.
45:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd reckon. So they were a bit happening now.
45:10
Speaker 2: Now there's some big interviews on television last night. One
45:12
Speaker 2: of them was on Channel seven. They spoke to James Packer.
45:15
Speaker 2: We seldom here from him. He was talking a lot
45:17
Speaker 2: about social media. He was so sorry he's talking about
45:21
Speaker 2: mental health issues. Freudian slipped there, but he was very
45:24
Speaker 2: open about the battles he's had, and he talked about
45:27
Speaker 2: when he's had his worst moments, it's often been because
45:30
Speaker 2: of getting medications not quite right, and also when there
45:34
Speaker 2: are enormous pressures on him from business and his social life.
45:38
Speaker 1: Have a look.
45:40
Speaker 18: I was caught up in charges in Israel with you
45:43
Speaker 18: know Netnyahu, and that same week, literally was the week
45:49
Speaker 18: that it came out that I was engaged to Mariah
45:52
Speaker 18: Carey for a while. And that same week it came
45:55
Speaker 18: out that Mariah and I had broken up, and she
45:58
Speaker 18: was she thought I planted a story and a magazine
46:02
Speaker 18: about it, which I hadn't that made her look bad
46:04
Speaker 18: and so she was threatening to say things about me,
46:08
Speaker 18: and so I was you know, it was it was.
46:13
Speaker 10: It was a train it was a train wreck.
46:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating stuff, soph He's got nothing to gain out
46:21
Speaker 2: of that. He was doing the interview essentially to help
46:24
Speaker 2: others understand how tough it can be that even a
46:26
Speaker 2: bloke who seemingly got everything can have these issues.
46:32
Speaker 21: Well, that's right, Chris, and I think it shows something
46:34
Speaker 21: pretty obvious there that money certainly doesn't buy happiness, and
46:38
Speaker 21: James Packer did speak to that point. But it shows
46:43
Speaker 21: that he is a complicated person. He suffered some severe
46:47
Speaker 21: mental health issues and if it can help anyone else
46:50
Speaker 21: out there, then I think that is a good thing.
46:52
Speaker 21: But I think some Australians will watch it and think, well,
46:55
Speaker 21: he is extremely wealthy, he's a billionaire.
46:58
Speaker 1: He's got the.
46:58
Speaker 21: Lifestyle, living on a yacht and so forth, but it's
47:02
Speaker 21: come at a price, and he spoke pretty candidly. I
47:05
Speaker 21: thought about the issues he has faced throughout his adulthood.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
47:09
Speaker 2: Now, the other begin interview last night on the other
47:11
Speaker 2: network was a sixty minutes interview with el McPherson.
47:14
Speaker 1: Now, she's been pretty.
47:16
Speaker 2: Lucky with the type of cancer she's had to deal
47:18
Speaker 2: with and the way she's been able to recover, and
47:20
Speaker 2: a lot of people very concerned about her push for
47:24
Speaker 2: natural remedies rather than modern medicine and radiation and chemotherapy
47:29
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it.
47:29
Speaker 1: Here's a bit of El McPherson.
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Speaker 22: I made a choice to go a more natural route
47:35
Speaker 22: in my treatment because that's what really resonated with me
47:40
Speaker 22: from within the last twenty years of my life, looking
47:45
Speaker 22: at the body as in a holistic way, so looking
47:49
Speaker 22: at emotional, mental, spiritual and physical well being.
47:55
Speaker 2: A lot of people Sophie saying, don't listen to Elle,
47:57
Speaker 2: listen to your doctor.
48:01
Speaker 21: Well, that's good advice, Chris, but our story is just
48:04
Speaker 21: broken on the Australian, the Kerry and Kenney's spoken to
48:07
Speaker 21: the Australian saying someone is going to die as a
48:10
Speaker 21: result of listening to the comments that El may look
48:13
Speaker 21: she is a figurehead people, you know, listen to her
48:17
Speaker 21: and this is not advice. I think doctors would want
48:20
Speaker 21: people listening to the approach that she took to her
48:24
Speaker 21: cancer treatment. I think there'd be a lot a lot
48:27
Speaker 21: of medical experts pretty concerned by this.
48:29
Speaker 19: Interview.
48:30
Speaker 2: Look, we're just going to squeeze this in quickly. Have
48:33
Speaker 2: a look at the former Channel nine News boss, Sir
48:35
Speaker 2: Darren Wick, getting a bit of a current affair treatment
48:38
Speaker 2: from the Australian newspaper.
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Speaker 23: What have you got to say to the women who've
48:42
Speaker 23: made allegations against you? Why haven't you spoken publicly about
48:48
Speaker 23: these allegations, mister Wick? These are serious allegations of groping,
48:55
Speaker 23: sexual harassment and manipulation. You don't have anything to say
48:58
Speaker 23: at all.
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Speaker 2: We're right out of time's Sophie. But no answers. But
49:03
Speaker 2: good on Liam fronting him with the questions.
49:05
Speaker 1: At least.
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Speaker 21: Absolutely Chris. But still to date Darren Wick has not
49:10
Speaker 21: said a word.
49:11
Speaker 1: Indeed. Thanks for joining us, Sophie. I appreciate it.
49:13
Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth, the media writer for The Australian, will cram
49:17
Speaker 2: plenty more into the show tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: I'll see her at five