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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sullimson with John
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  Speaker 1: Oceans and Bryan sect Jacks Drive Time and starts right now. Yes, sir, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, ja yeah, the coup. Let's go, let's go,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. There, we go, let me go. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: stay together, y'all, stay together, Stay together. I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. You too, your baby too. Appreciate it, Bro,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate Bro. I'm like, that's so smooth. By has that
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  Speaker 1: a dummin ash? Where you starting this Wednesday morning off
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  Speaker 1: with some intensity, some yelling from the want smoom up
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  Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com you can check out all the
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  Speaker 1: mics of features. Oh wait, he's on Jaguars dot com.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about that Dante Fowler snoots roll
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  Speaker 1: connection there and them saying hello. Yeah, I did too
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  Speaker 1: until that moment. I spent a good bit of time
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  Speaker 1: with Dante Fowler or the day before the draft in
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  Speaker 1: fifteen in Chicago. Um and the crazy whacked out shoes
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  Speaker 1: that he spent five thousand dollars. He had his issues, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I always enjoyed that guy. He Um, Yes, was
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  Speaker 1: always entertaining. I will never forget the video board segment
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  Speaker 1: when you interviewed him after the win, and I had
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  Speaker 1: to drag Klaus into it to make it makes sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because all he said was win, win, win, and try
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  Speaker 1: to leave No big boy held good. You know he
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  Speaker 1: always played well against Patriots for whatever reason he those
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  Speaker 1: were the games where he got it going. Yes he did.
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  Speaker 1: We were getting ready for a game in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: this weekend against the Los Angeles Rams, and we all
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  Speaker 1: know the struggles the Jaguars have with traveling to the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast and just the struggles of this team right now.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you all nervous for this matchup this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna lie, well, ban I'm I'm not a huge
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they struggle out west, but mostly because
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  Speaker 1: they haven't been as good as the teams they played. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I can remember covering the team in the
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  Speaker 1: nineties and when they were good and they won some
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  Speaker 1: games out west. You know, not so much sense because
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  Speaker 1: they have been very good. I think it's more that
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  Speaker 1: than the West Coast then. Yeah. The only place they've
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  Speaker 1: ever won on the West Coast is Oakland, and they
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  Speaker 1: won there a couple of times, and unfortunately they're not
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  Speaker 1: playing Oakland. Yeah no, no, never, they don't. Yeah that
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  Speaker 1: win that they got that. Glad they got that. Um
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  Speaker 1: you know when they went to San Diego, the charges
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  Speaker 1: were better. Um, Philip Rivers just beat them. Seattle is
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  Speaker 1: Seattle and the Niners is just always who knows when
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  Speaker 1: they change that, But it's mostly being because it has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the travel. We saw that with
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  Speaker 1: the Niners. Is everything to do with the talent and
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  Speaker 1: that level has to get stronger here. Yes, now they've
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  Speaker 1: gotten rolled out West. I think the getting rolled out
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  Speaker 1: West wanted nothing in two thousand Niners coming. You miss
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  Speaker 1: have one in terms of the West coast travel stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see, we will see. We go into big
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  Speaker 1: things with a lot of stuff of what we know,
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  Speaker 1: what we don't know, what we think we know. We
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  Speaker 1: start with what we do know, and that is all
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  Speaker 1: about rookie quarterback Trevor Lawrence, who is coming off a
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  Speaker 1: rough game where he admittedly said he can play much
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  Speaker 1: much better. But this is the franchise quarterback and that
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  Speaker 1: is something we do know. As far as the passing game,
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  Speaker 1: that is a work in progress. They're just a fluidity
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  Speaker 1: passed games. A lot of timing and comfort and you
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  Speaker 1: got the twenty two year old quarterback and you keep
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  Speaker 1: rotating receivers. You know, no one's followers. This guy's get thing,
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  Speaker 1: guys get hurt, and um, what's your vertical stretch? You
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  Speaker 1: know what's you're eventually that's going to shut down. And
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of teams play man coverage on
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  Speaker 1: us right now. So we've got a beat man coverage.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big issue. And when we do we're really good.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Marvin did and made a great catch on one,
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  Speaker 1: and you know we had some good play. Big thing too,
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  Speaker 1: is what don't we know. We don't know much at
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  Speaker 1: all about what this offense, what this offense is going
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  Speaker 1: to look like, what it looks like right now, Run first,
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  Speaker 1: US first. I don't know. One thing we do know
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  Speaker 1: is the penalties have to get fixed. Fixed, especially on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Obviously we're not emphasizing
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  Speaker 1: that is enough as a staff. If there's no defiance
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  Speaker 1: amongst the ranks, then that's a problem. That's not it
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  Speaker 1: at all. You know, how in the world could we
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  Speaker 1: have that penalty? Think, how in the world can you
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  Speaker 1: have the penalty? You have to look who convinced it.
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  Speaker 1: Why did that happen? And we put those guys in
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  Speaker 1: us scenario they well coached up and and identify it
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  Speaker 1: and try to fix it. There no other there knows.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not used to it. But there's no
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  Speaker 1: simple solutions. You know, if you're struggle and throw and
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  Speaker 1: catch and work at it. And if you can't throw
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  Speaker 1: and catch, you got find guys you can do the same.
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  Speaker 1: People keep making penalties and they've got really addressed at why.
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  Speaker 1: Big thing three is what do we think? We know
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  Speaker 1: this defense can play at a high level. We've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: We thought it was a unit that could stay at
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  Speaker 1: that level weekly consistently. We're not so sure about that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But this coaching staff still has a ton of confidence
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  Speaker 1: in the defense. Yeah, defense, I think we kind of
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  Speaker 1: got an idea who we are. You know, Tyson Cambell
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  Speaker 1: played great. You know, we we're fitting our scheme to
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  Speaker 1: personnel offense, you know what they're incluidity of receivers. We
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  Speaker 1: still have not identified, you know, any downfield passing game. However,
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  Speaker 1: in the run game, I think you know, we averaged.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I thought we ran about really well thought
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  Speaker 1: the offense line came off the ball. I thought we
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  Speaker 1: mixed in under center and shotgun runs, which is what
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  Speaker 1: I want to be. The shotgun runs we're really productive.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of our identity, and that
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  Speaker 1: is big things. A lot of stuff we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. We got a lot of questions this week,
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  Speaker 1: as you can see in the biggest question I think
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  Speaker 1: I have when I hear head coach urban Meyer talk
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  Speaker 1: about that offense and the running game that they feel
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  Speaker 1: strong about. I still can't figure out why James Robinson
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  Speaker 1: is not on the field more. And I understand he's
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  Speaker 1: banged up, and I understand they're probably trying to be
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  Speaker 1: cautious with him, but especially those goal line drives. I
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  Speaker 1: still can't figure it out. And you guys, well you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to trust that urban Meyer is relaying what
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  Speaker 1: he's being told in the press conference, because he's he
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  Speaker 1: never hasn't done that, and every time he's asked about it,
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  Speaker 1: it's they don't believe he's with the heel and I
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  Speaker 1: when they go into games, they clearly have a rotation
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  Speaker 1: in mind. They have a way they want to use them,
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  Speaker 1: and they stick to that even in situations where to
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  Speaker 1: the fans. It looks like, oh my god, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe James Robinsons side in there. Um that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to believe that's the reason because I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of another reason. So you know, I get that.
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  Speaker 1: It it causes a hue and cry. Uh. And there
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  Speaker 1: was a big thing this week about when Urban said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll have to check to see why he wasn't in
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  Speaker 1: the game. That's not unusual for position coaches to be
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  Speaker 1: the ones deciding this is the rotation. It doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: noticed really anywhere except running back because if if they
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  Speaker 1: were if they rotate the defensive backs, nobody notices because
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  Speaker 1: they're not getting care well. I mean, he's playing the
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  Speaker 1: role of CEO right, He's he's delegating to his offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator and his defensive coordinator, which in terms of rotation,
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  Speaker 1: all coaches exactly. Um, he's not healthy. He's clearly not healthy.
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  Speaker 1: He was a little better this week, and I think
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Lender's return made a big difference in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of situations where he was able to get on track. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing is, look, Carlos Hide is a favorite
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  Speaker 1: of Urban Meyer, and he's a big body and in
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  Speaker 1: certain situations in goal line, you're trying to keep a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of the wear and tear right, a little
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  Speaker 1: more tread on the tire, if you will. With James Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: you can understand now he hasn't been all that effective
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  Speaker 1: this year in those situations. So I can see why
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  Speaker 1: people would say, why not more James Robinson? But you
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  Speaker 1: can't give him I don't think right and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the medical training staff. I don't think you can give
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  Speaker 1: him twenty five touches of game right now. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you can do it and expect that he's going
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  Speaker 1: to play the final six game. He just doesn't. When
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  Speaker 1: you have a knee and a heel, you can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the reason I think it's injury. At the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the season, they split carries between these two guys
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  Speaker 1: for the for the first two games, probably more than
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  Speaker 1: they should have. But after that, after the third game,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the stats, James Robinson was getting
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  Speaker 1: either all the carries or the motherload of the carries.
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  Speaker 1: The the return to splitting, the return to James Robinson
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  Speaker 1: not being in the game in certain situations that returned
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  Speaker 1: after the heel injury. So if you're looking for an
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  Speaker 1: if then scenario. I think that's it. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: And then big thing, too, is this offense and we
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  Speaker 1: have so many questions of what it will look like,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to see more RPOs most likely, and
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  Speaker 1: Trevor running so much. Yeah, the only thing I'll say
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  Speaker 1: on this is you want him healthy going into the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: If you want him available for your off season program,
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  Speaker 1: your o t as, your minie can't be training it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want him having to spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time rehaving be very cautious with that. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna see more of it. I've got to
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  Speaker 1: believe if you're going to still see a small glass
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  Speaker 1: of it compared to the rest of the offense, because
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  Speaker 1: I get that right now, Trevor looks like he's better
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  Speaker 1: in that and he probably is more comfortable than that. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I'm old school guy. When I
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  Speaker 1: see a quarterback running and getting hit, that worries me. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've talked about this all season long.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy who you covered Peyton Manning. Peyton
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  Speaker 1: Manning didn't run not you want this guy with this
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  Speaker 1: arm and this football intellect in the pocket dissecting a
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  Speaker 1: defense and delivering the ball, letting other guys get hit.
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  Speaker 1: So the r p O thing seems to me like
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  Speaker 1: it's a short term option to get something going. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't do me. I wouldn't take the long
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  Speaker 1: term and put it at risk for the short term.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, are we are we wrapping up big things?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the feeling? Sure? We can do that? But
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  Speaker 1: I thought, overall, I get that we had to have
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  Speaker 1: a topic for big things. What do we know? What?
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  Speaker 1: I thought Urban mired a great job on Monday of
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  Speaker 1: outlining exactly what we know, and I think we know
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  Speaker 1: everything about this offense. I think he said it best.
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  Speaker 1: The fluidity a receiver meaning you've got the Kwan treadwell
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  Speaker 1: and Tavon Austin and God bless him, they played well
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  Speaker 1: the other day. That wasn't plan a Brian. That wasn't
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  Speaker 1: planned b That wasn't planning c So all to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. I thought Urban laid it out saying
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  Speaker 1: we don't have a downfield passing game. That means you
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  Speaker 1: are trying to get cohesion, all the accuracy stuff. It
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  Speaker 1: was funny on Monday. I remember I sat in here befuddled, saying,
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  Speaker 1: I wish I knew what the accuracy issues are. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I thought urban Meyer laid out in the press conference
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  Speaker 1: that to a very large degree the accuracy issues are.
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  Speaker 1: They're not on the same page because it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: get on the same page that quick with new receivers.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he laid it out. That's what the offense is.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's what we're dealing with for the last
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  Speaker 1: seven games. Coffee, And by the way, boy, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: That's good news. Since since we're a big picture. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the big picture. It isn't It's not going to get
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  Speaker 1: fixed this year, right. You're gonna have to just muddle
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  Speaker 1: through with what you've got and try to work with
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  Speaker 1: guys in practice so that they have a chance to
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  Speaker 1: make plays on Sunday. But you want this quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: the off season because next year you're going to fix it.
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  Speaker 1: They have draft capital in abundance, they have salary cap
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  Speaker 1: room in abundance. They're going to fix it next year.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna fix it in the off season. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know who were how or any of that. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to fix it. Make sure your quarterback is Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't urban Meyer making excuses. It was really more
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  Speaker 1: so the first time he was honest about the situation, saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: d j HRK travisy TM, we don't have him on
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  Speaker 1: the field, so this is what we have to work
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  Speaker 1: with for the next six weeks. Yeah, he's been good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's been talking about it. I think at
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  Speaker 1: some point in the season we talked about it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Brian and Sly. You figure out what the
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  Speaker 1: team is. We do is as people who cover it,
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out why couldn't they do this,
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  Speaker 1: Why couldn't they do this? Well, after a few games
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  Speaker 1: seeing the same thing, you realize, oh, they can't run
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  Speaker 1: a receiver. They're not very good at receiver right now
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  Speaker 1: compared to the rest of the NFL. So what can
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  Speaker 1: mean in terms of speed? Um? So what are they? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they are. And I think urban Meyer on
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  Speaker 1: Monday kind I said, this is what we are. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to figure it out. But I think can
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  Speaker 1: imply in that too is there's not that much to
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  Speaker 1: figure out at this point. Now. It is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: And this is sort of a crazy thing, but it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, the best version of yourself. Just go be
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  Speaker 1: the best version of what you are right now. You
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  Speaker 1: have available execute, which is what the coach is always
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Execute to the highest level you can, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, makes the eighteen practices because they really
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  Speaker 1: have three practices a week, they're eighteen of them left.
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  Speaker 1: You're counting down. I see, well, I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: be complete. He's got a little Jaguars Advent calendar. When
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: I think of Advent, I do not think of the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: But but it's one of those things where you've got
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  Speaker 1: to get the most out. Every practice is as important
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  Speaker 1: as every game for this team this season. Yes, six
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  Speaker 1: games left of the season. That is big things. When
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  Speaker 1: know the coach talk in his post game on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: about you know, discovering what players and there are there
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  Speaker 1: and what you can do and moving guys and out
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  Speaker 1: if they if they're creating penalties. Um, so this is
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  Speaker 1: a totally hypothetical situation, right, But I'm ready to put
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  Speaker 1: Walker a little in at right tackle. Right and again
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  Speaker 1: totally hypathetical. But Andrew Norwell is a sixteen million dollar
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  Speaker 1: hit on your cap next year, probably not going to
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  Speaker 1: be here, right, bart looks like a guard. I think
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  Speaker 1: Jowan Taylor looks like a guard to me. I said
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  Speaker 1: that in the preseason because he doesn't appear to have
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  Speaker 1: the foot speed and we're seeing that he struggled with
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  Speaker 1: the inside move against Joey Bosa. To be fair, everyone
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  Speaker 1: does um and has struggled to the outside. He had
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  Speaker 1: the holding penalty and the he jumped offsides. Uh. In
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  Speaker 1: anticipation of the past rush on that drive where they
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  Speaker 1: end up with a fuel goal with about eight minutes
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  Speaker 1: left to go in the in the fourth quarter, I
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: start thinking, do you move him in and do we
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  Speaker 1: just start get on with this um try and see
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  Speaker 1: what it does, or do you just let it go
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. Do you and in
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  Speaker 1: that vein, do you make changes where you can or
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  Speaker 1: do you just let it ride. I think it's only
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  Speaker 1: a couple. I think there's that UM and there's the
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  Speaker 1: obviously he's been calling for all year. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to see more Andre Cisco as opposed to winning UM?
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  Speaker 1: To me, those are the only two. You really make
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense that. I get people talking
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  Speaker 1: about Shack Quarterman, but Damien Wilson's played fine. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think Shaq Corterman has played if you sort of
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  Speaker 1: know what he is, and remember, the coaches generally feel
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  Speaker 1: like they know what these guys are from seeing him
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  Speaker 1: in practice. Fans often say, well, we got to see
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  Speaker 1: him in a game, Well, you don't see him, But
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  Speaker 1: the coaches have a general idea of who's ready and
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  Speaker 1: who's not. So and I don't think with six games
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  Speaker 1: to go, uh, there's clearly reason that Jowan Taylor's playing.
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  Speaker 1: They believe that he's the best guy. Uh. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that with six games ago they would be
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  Speaker 1: ready to make that move just to see yet. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind saying it I'm with you, Brian. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: just look, he has the look of a guy who
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  Speaker 1: would be a very good guard. And with him and Barge,
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  Speaker 1: two big guys, they're lined up on either side of
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  Speaker 1: the center, who I think would still be lender um.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get Walker Little into a position because
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about the possibility of keeping Cam Robinson right,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I guess it's a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a laboratory and you take the risk with your quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: And I just got done saying you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: take many risks with the crowd back, but it's worthy
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  Speaker 1: of this show in conversation, and that's really I mean,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It all to me depends on how do
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you feel right now as a coaching staff as George
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Warhop about Walker Little. Do you believe he can do
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that on at right tackle and protect Trevor Lawrence to
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the degree that John Taylor canon. So yeah, and I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: get that's priority number one, But at some point you
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: have to see Walker Little. And if it's next year
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and if you're keeping Cam Robinson, then what you're going
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to have to make the change eventually. So I get
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the conversation, why not now all right, John, what you got?
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I of what player on the receiver corps is capable
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: of a breakout game? And I say this because it's
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: been since Miami that a Jaguars wide receiver has had
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: more than fifty three yards receiving in a game. And
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that was when Marvin Jones had a hundred in that game.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think there's gonna be a
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: whole lot of breakout games. Which guy is the best chance?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I went with Marvin Jones or Laviska. I'm still gonna
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: go with Marvin Jones in this, uh, because he's still
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the guy to me that even when covered, is capable
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: of the back shoulder play, he can catch the ball
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: in traffic. He seems, he seems to have the best hands.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I concerned it that I think right now without James Robinson.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Urban alluded to it on Monday. They're taking guys away,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: they're playing man, they're locking these guys up. Uh. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: don't know that a breakout game is going to be
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty. Maybe breakout gets you to eighty
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and gets you one more big play a half. Can
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you tell me who Jayla Rams is gonna cover, because
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: then I'll take the other guy. Um, I would imagine Marvin,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you would assume, and really you can make the argument Labisca.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I understand that it's who is more likely, but Laviska,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I think needs it more. You're starting to see these
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: negative connotations about Labiscusialdi's not meeting the potential we thought
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: he was going to meet. But you know that third
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: down play where he was across the absolutely that's the guy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: That's what he's supposed to be, right, and he's maybe
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: asking to do something he's not. And when you have
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: if you had DJ out there, if you have a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: premier receiver and he is a slot guy, he's really
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: going to be very good. But in the current form
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of this offense right now, he's having to play out
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of position. It's like asking a six ft for uh,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you know, shooting guard to play center. Good luck, right,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very well. Didn't go very well? All right?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Speaking of wide receiver, My this or that comes from
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Monday night football when I was sitting on the couch
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and I was scrolling Twitter, and I saw this article
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that the Seahawks are in a bit of finance trouble
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and looking to free up some they're premier players who
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: are expensive next season, and I thought DK Metcalf would
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: be really nice on this roster, but you're probably gonna
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: have to give up a first round draft pick for him.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So this or that DK Metcalf or using the draft
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: picks on a wide receiver, we're here at this point. Well,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I surposed this by saying, I don't really dig deep
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: into the draft until the Senior Bowl, so I don't
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: know exactly who is out there who might be the
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: one that there's no one who belongs in the top five,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and it's arguable that there's a receiver that belongs in
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the top ten. I think Garrett Wilson is the is
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the guy who most people recognize. He's probably eleven through fifteen.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: There's a receiver, a big guy last named London at
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: USC there's a guy from Arkansas, UM, but no one
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: fits where the Jet Wars are gonna be picking in theory, maybe,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but the problem is picking number three or you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: top five, whatever it is. I don't give up a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: top five pick for DK Metcalf. Um, No, I wouldn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I give up if if we if you're picking, because
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: first round picks are not created equal a top five pick.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I can't give up for DK Metcalf because my senses
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: are gonna go pass rusher in the top five, because
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: then I think it's gonna be available there. Uh, So
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I can't give that up for a pass rusher. Um.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't either if it was if I had, if
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I had the eleventh pick in the draft with this quarterback,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I would do it in a heartbeat. But in the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: top five, no, and I have looked a little bit
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: at the receiver receivers in the draft, and of course
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: their order can change, but I think there'll be a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: receiver of impact available to them with their first pick
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: in the second round. Um, and so I would not
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: give up the chance to get a big guy, whether
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that's one of those two big offensive tackles, which again
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make sense, but best player available or one
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of those pass rushers, or who knows, you know, maybe
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the cornerback from l s U or the safety from
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame is appealing to what these guys wanted to do.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You just you don't know. Best player available always, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. It was a peculiar topic because I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was sitting on the couch thinking hm, would I do this?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe I would at number eleven all day long. It
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: all depends on where you're picking in the first round
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: with a premium pick. And because history shows you so
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: maybe yeah, we're talking or trade up for late in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the first round. History shows you you can get receivers
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to make huge impact outside the top twenty camp. Absolutely,
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• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It is Wednesday. It has been a while since we've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: gotten the white boards out, but it is time for
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Ashland esque number one. Why did the Jaguars get so
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: many penalties? Try to summarize this on a white board, folks,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: three to five words. Why did the Jaguars get so
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: an apostrophe? Many penalties? Whatever? You know what they mean
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a postrophes stars, whatever the heck they are. You get
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the gist of it. I don't know. That can't be
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: an answer. Look, you said to three to five words,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and that's three words. The reality of it is just
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: one or two things. One um Juwan Taylor great example,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: holding because he's getting beat, right, Um, jumping off sides
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: because he's anxious about getting beat. You weren't here when
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Gus Bradley was here, but he used to talk a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: lot about anxiety and trying to remove the anxiety so
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that a player can play fast. Um. And so you
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: do get some anxiety in this situation where guys are
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: trying to do too much. You're down by seventeen, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: want to make a play, you flinch, you jump off sides.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: It you know, causes a penalty. Um. But I do
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: think that a big part of it is is that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: guys are getting beat and putting a band aid on it. Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I said all of the above because, as Briant said,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there's many reasons. I think the reality is. I think
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: we talked about it on Monday. They're not having It's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: not the number of penalties necessarily, uh they have, They're
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: not anywhere near the top of the league in terms
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of number of penalties this year. No, there weren't a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: ton of penalties the last two games, but they were
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: where they were playing, right. It's the cruise. I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've ever seen I shouldn't say ever,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but it it's rare to have six keep you on
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the field penalties meaning third down and fourth down defense
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and special teams where they thought they were off the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: field and then all of a sudden you're back on
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the field. Six in two weeks. I mean, I'm not
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: very good at math, but that's two a half. Uh, No,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I am bad at math. That's at least one a half.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's more than one a half. When you think about that,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you get four drives a half maybe if you're getting
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: one extent penalty percent of the time. They are letting
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: their opponents stay on the field when they don't deserve it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: As coach, you can't win in the NFL like that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But there's no like six turnovers. Yeah essentially, yeah, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that I've never really heard a coach talk about that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like that, but it's it's dead on. Uh that's six
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: turnovers in two games, basically on that and uh that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: more than the number is key, absolutely right, ash Mass.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Number two. A guy that needs to be on this
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: team for years to come. That isn't Trevor Lawrence. We
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: all get that, he's a guy that needs to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: on this team. Is the franchise quarterback, so you can't
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: pick him. But a guy that needs to be on
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this team for years to come. Maybe a guy you
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have to pay this offseason to keep them here. But
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that's okay because you've got the money to do it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: John's racing, he's frowsled. I always stumped him with this one. Brian.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I'll say, Dan Arnold, Oh I like that one. Yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it was clear that he had formed a nice relationship
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: with the quarterback. I really like him. Again, he's not
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He's not a pure one, you know, he's not that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: game changer that he moves the chains. John always likes
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to talk about young quarterbacks needing that guy they can
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: count on, Right, Peyton Manning had Um Marvin Harrison and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: they knew it where they were going to be. Um,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that's what this guy is. And he's sneaky, beady, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he can get up the seam. I think Dan Arnold
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you're still going to go look for another guy, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think Dan Arnold on this team makes a lot
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of sense as this quarterback develops. Yeah, I'm probably you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: can keep at a good number going it's next year.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately on injured reserve with an m R I or
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a meniscus tear. Sorry not m R I. That's what
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you got to figure that out. Not a doctor. Somewhere.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Dr Kaplan is shaking. He said, just stop with the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: medical stuff, right, leave it to me. I have. It's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: pretty obvious Josh Allen. Um, and I also went with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell under here. I almost went with him, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that's a way reach. But you're encouraged by what you saw.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's definite. His contract comes up after this season.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: If I'm third season, so going into the fourth, he
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: will be eligible for an extension. I want that kids
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: standing on a podium at some point this offseason saying
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he can't wait to be a Jag War for life
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: because he's everything you want. Um, you hope that Tyson
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Campbell by extends what he's doing. He played like a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: one the other day. Um. He I don't want to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: say dominant force, but he made big plays. He did
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: some special stuff. I mean, and he did too. You know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he was not only on the ball good in terms
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of his ball awareness, which he hasn't been all the season,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but he is physical. Urbans talked about that all year.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: If you get that combination, that's that's interesting because all
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you there's less to address in the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: off season in terms of in terms of core going forward.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: You want to see that for seven more games. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: sit with Fred Siames on game day and Fred knows him,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: has known him since he was a little kid. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: have mutual friends down in South Florida where in Weston Plantation,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and Fred has been saying, just give this kid time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: He just needs to figure out how to play at
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: this level. He's got all the physical skills. We're gonna
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: see Jalen Ramsey on something really quick, and we're gonna
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: talk about Jyalen tomorrow a lot. You can't wait for that, Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I know, But my point is is that since he left,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: we haven't had a ownerback. I can't wait to talk
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: about that. UM, a cornerback with the kind of physical
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: characteristics that Jalen had, the height, the length, the quickness,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: as you just mentioned the speed, um, and I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: he's very quiet. He's not like Jalen. You want to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: talk about polar opposite personalities. But I've talked to him
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: enough's he's smart and I think he's going to be
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a difference maker in the secondary and the coach has
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: been talking about it the whole season. Um, he backed
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: him up. I'm excited about that kid. I am too.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And you can just tell the way he walks around
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: this building. There's a confidence that he didn't have a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago where he was certainly doubting himself
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit and just absolutely getting trashed all over
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the place for the way he was playing. But a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: rookie that Needa just time to figure it out as
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: simple as that, we don't exhibit enough patience with young
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: players in this game anymore. Absolutely agree, and that is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Ashlyn asked on Jaguars Drive Time when we come back
• 28:46
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• 29:12
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• 29:18
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• 29:21
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