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Marciano of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Tells All! · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've got such a
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  Speaker 4: juicy interview for you today. First, we have to catch
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  Speaker 4: you up on what has happened since we had our
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  Speaker 4: last show. Well, on the flight back from Las Vegas
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  Speaker 4: to Georgia, Portia from Real Housewives of Atlanta was flying
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  Speaker 4: in first class. And next thing we know, she was
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  Speaker 4: coming off the plane, being escorted by... police or FBI,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really sure, you know, with body cams and everything.
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  Speaker 4: And people didn't know what happened. She came off calm.
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  Speaker 4: She wasn't in handcuffs. And since then, TMZ has given
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  Speaker 4: us the body cam of Portia, as well as the
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  Speaker 4: woman that she had the argument with. So they appear
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  Speaker 4: to be both that they were.
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  Speaker 2: In first class.
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  Speaker 4: And so the woman said, Portia, she didn't know who
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  Speaker 4: she was, was watching her Instagram, which was very loud,
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  Speaker 4: scrolling through it for about 30 minutes without her earphones.
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  Speaker 4: And the woman said, do I have to listen to
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  Speaker 4: this for the whole flight? And Portia then took offense
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  Speaker 4: to that and said, you could say something a little kind,
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  Speaker 4: you could say it to me kinder.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't like it, you could say it to
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  Speaker 2: me kinder. They both kind of say that.
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  Speaker 4: An argument ensued And the other woman got out her
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  Speaker 4: phone to film to kind of protect herself because she
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  Speaker 4: said at that moment, either they were in the air
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  Speaker 4: or about to, but the flight attendants could not assist
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  Speaker 4: in any way as the argument was being heard because
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  Speaker 4: they were strapped in to take off or they're already
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  Speaker 4: in the air. It's important whether they were in the
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  Speaker 4: air or not, because then that is, it's a federal
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  Speaker 4: issue or is it a state situation? So the woman
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  Speaker 4: says then, she took out her phone to maybe film
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  Speaker 4: this argument. And that's when Portia pushed her phone away
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  Speaker 4: and the phone went down the aisle. And, and that
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  Speaker 4: is where, you know, that I don't know if they,
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  Speaker 4: and they got, if they had to move places from
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  Speaker 4: each other. So long flight from Vegas to Georgia, to Atlanta,
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  Speaker 4: but they both spoke to officers after coming out. So
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  Speaker 4: we'll see what happened, but it seems like, um, That
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  Speaker 4: woman says she didn't know who she was, so if
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  Speaker 4: she was coming for BravoCon, she wasn't familiar with Real
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  Speaker 4: Housewives of Atlanta. But nobody was hurt, and no one
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  Speaker 4: was arrested. However, Mia of the Real Housewives of Potomac
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  Speaker 4: was arrested. She is no longer on this season. She
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  Speaker 4: did not appear at BravoCon, and she was arrested. We
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  Speaker 4: also got body cam footage of her in a jail,
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  Speaker 4: taking her mugshot.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, the mugshot was very attractive.
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  Speaker 4: Because she is being accused of stealing $ 11, 000 worth of
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  Speaker 4: furniture from a condo that she was renting. So I
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  Speaker 4: guess the condo came with furniture and then she moved
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  Speaker 4: out and took all the furniture with her instead of
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  Speaker 4: leaving it there. And in the conversation she's having with officers,
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  Speaker 4: she's like, can I call this guy? He has the
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  Speaker 4: key to the storage facility where the furniture is.
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  Speaker 2: So hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: Somehow she may have forgotten that she never purchased this furniture.
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  Speaker 4: Usually when you rent a furnished apartment, they don't say,
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  Speaker 4: do us a favor and take all of the furniture
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  Speaker 4: with you. So she's going to have to get out
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  Speaker 4: of that one. Also, this is sad news. Megan King Edmonds,
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  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of OC. She was the detective that discovered
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  Speaker 4: that Brooks was faking cancer with Vicky, who has now
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  Speaker 4: just been honored with her orange to return to the
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  Speaker 4: 20th season.
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  Speaker 2: And she's a very smart girl. And she lives in St.
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  Speaker 4: Louis because her ex-husband, she was the fourth wife of
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  Speaker 4: her ex-husband, who was a famous baseball player.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot his name, but his name is Edmonds.
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  Speaker 5: What? Jim.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Edmonds.
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  Speaker 4: He has since married his fifth wife. She was the fourth.
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  Speaker 4: And they have three kids together. a girl and twin boys,
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  Speaker 4: and it has been a very tumultuous post-divorce life for
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  Speaker 4: them with custody and whatnot. And there was an incident
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  Speaker 4: a while back where his new wife claimed that she
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  Speaker 4: came over to the house unannounced to drop off a
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  Speaker 4: dress and that caused a temporary restraining order or something.
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  Speaker 4: And then the news came out that she has temporarily
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  Speaker 4: lost custody of her children. And there's different reports of
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  Speaker 4: why I first thought it was just a result of
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  Speaker 4: the tumultuous toxic relationship between.
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  Speaker 2: The three of them, parents.
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  Speaker 4: But now it appears that there might've been a, something
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  Speaker 4: happened where one of her son is on a medication
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  Speaker 4: and the other twin received it by accident and therefore
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  Speaker 4: a nurse at the school called CPS.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm guessing if.
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  Speaker 4: It's something like that, this will be just that, a
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  Speaker 4: temporary thing. but I know her personally and she's very
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  Speaker 4: dedicated mother. And it's just very unfortunate when kids are
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  Speaker 4: little and parents and step-parents and, and, you know, exes
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  Speaker 4: are not getting along. And then something like this can
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  Speaker 4: really be, you know, escalated. And so we'll see, we'll
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  Speaker 4: see these.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know everything.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know who's in the wrong, but obviously everybody,
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  Speaker 4: children want both their parents if they are healthy people. Um,
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  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Potomac couple, this is just a crime
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  Speaker 4: situation with these Bravo people, but.
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  Speaker 2: Their bank accounts have been seized.
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  Speaker 4: This is Wendy, Professor Wendy and Happy Eddie, who are
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  Speaker 4: being accused and were arrested for lying about a robbery,
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  Speaker 4: saying that someone robbed them, took their jewels, took their clothes,
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  Speaker 4: took their handbags. In fact, those items were returned prior
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  Speaker 4: to the robbery in which they got the cash back.
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  Speaker 2: They lied and said.
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  Speaker 4: Other things were stolen and then they were seen wearing
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  Speaker 4: the rings while filming Potomac. They say it's all a
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  Speaker 4: big misunderstanding, but according to the reports, their bank accounts
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  Speaker 4: have been seized and secret emails and texts and apps
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  Speaker 4: are being exposed. So it's not looking good for them,
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  Speaker 4: but she was at BravoCon and everyone was cheering her
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  Speaker 4: on and she seemed very confident and happy. Also, Karen Huger,
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  Speaker 4: who just got out of prison, for doing six months
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  Speaker 4: for her fourth DUI when she drove herself into a tree.
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  Speaker 4: She got a standing ovation. So getting in trouble with
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  Speaker 4: the law is just the best thing to keep your
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  Speaker 4: employment at Bravo. So that's great. Shep Rose of Southern
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  Speaker 4: Charm got caught. Someone was filming him talking to other
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  Speaker 4: people at like a casino bar. And he said he
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  Speaker 4: was just very annoyed with Paige on Southern Charm.
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  Speaker 2: She was on Summer House. She's no longer on the show.
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  Speaker 4: She has a very successful podcast with Hannah Berner. And
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  Speaker 4: she was dating Craig from Southern Charm for years. And
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  Speaker 4: he's telling the people like, really, Paige? I mean, Shev
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  Speaker 4: is going.
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  Speaker 2: She's made millions off the backs of Bravo. And then
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  Speaker 2: she breaks up with Craig. on her podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, are you seriously mad that this woman
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  Speaker 4: who was not a cast member of Southern charm, though,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure she was paid for her appearances. Well, didn't
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  Speaker 4: because she didn't like call up the cameras and give
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  Speaker 4: them the exclusive and, and break up with him on
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  Speaker 4: camera when instead they broke up privately. And then she
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  Speaker 4: shared her perspective on her own podcast. That just her
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  Speaker 4: right to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I, Like he's literally bitter that like somehow they
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  Speaker 2: didn't get the action moment and like he's bagging on her.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't come off well. Mauricio, Kyle's husband, did a
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  Speaker 4: very embarrassing thing. photoshoot for People Magazine with women pulling
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  Speaker 4: his shirt off of him.
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  Speaker 2: And it is the most cringey thing.
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  Speaker 4: I thought the most cringey was him doing lip syncing
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  Speaker 4: TikToks at his open houses. No, it's this photoshoot when
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  Speaker 4: they're not. He's like he's single again. They haven't even filed.
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  Speaker 4: Kyle and he have not even filed yet. So we're
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  Speaker 4: just going to let these people be single and legally
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  Speaker 4: stay married because no one wants to Give up the
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  Speaker 4: house in La Quinta?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's fine, but I think it's embarrassing for the kids.
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  Speaker 4: And personally, my eyes were assaulted when I was scrolling
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  Speaker 4: and I might just have to mute people for a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Just remember that he will never emotionally fulfill you.
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  Speaker 2: Just know that, Kyle.
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  Speaker 4: Just know that from our famous psychic here at the
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  Speaker 4: infamous dinners. Khloe Kardashian, this just broke my heart. She
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  Speaker 4: was answering questions and It was about journaling. And she said,
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  Speaker 4: I always journaled since I was a teenager. I had
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  Speaker 4: all these journals. And while I was married to Lamar,
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  Speaker 4: he got paranoid. We know he struggled with drugs and alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: He found my journals, read some of them and got paranoid.
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  Speaker 4: And she came home and he burned them all in
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  Speaker 4: a fire. Honestly, this is the worst story. And I
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  Speaker 4: can't believe she took this long to share it. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that she ever would have shared it
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  Speaker 4: unless someone asked her and she was answering questions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that is.
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  Speaker 4: So incredibly valuable, not only to yourself, to your memories.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had journal like that. I wish I
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  Speaker 4: had these podcasts from the last 10 years if I
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  Speaker 4: ever want to listen back and like reflect on my
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  Speaker 4: feelings and my Patreon. But the real journals of like
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  Speaker 4: how you felt at 16, 17, 18, when your dad
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  Speaker 4: was dying, that would have been such valuable property being
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  Speaker 4: a famous person to write a book, whatever. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: this is worse than his cheating, his drug use, anything.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he wasn't in his right mind. She's so giving.
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  Speaker 4: But I think this is probably the cruelest thing that
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  Speaker 4: you could do to someone in your life is to
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  Speaker 4: burn their work, their memories, pen to paper, their childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Disgusting. God, she's a good person.
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  Speaker 4: There is a horrible update with this young girl who
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  Speaker 4: was found dead on a cruise. So she was a
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  Speaker 4: senior in high school looking to go to college, a cheerleader,
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  Speaker 4: very cute. At first, they didn't know where she was.
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  Speaker 4: Then they found her body under the bunk beds. So
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  Speaker 4: in a suite on the cruise, it was her dad,
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  Speaker 4: her stepmom, and the step, brother that was 16, that
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  Speaker 4: mom's son, and then her younger full brother.
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  Speaker 2: The five of them were sharing a room. The boys
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  Speaker 2: were in a bunk bed and she had her own bed.
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  Speaker 4: And when the younger brother woke up, he didn't see
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  Speaker 4: her and he just figured she was out with the
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  Speaker 4: parents or whatever. When they all got to breakfast and
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  Speaker 4: she was not there, they panicked, didn't know where she was.
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  Speaker 4: They found her wrapped up in a sheet under one
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  Speaker 4: of the bunk beds and And the 16-year-old stepbrother is
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  Speaker 4: now a suspect. So sad, so terrible, so strange. Horrible
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  Speaker 4: for the family, horrible for her mother. Where's her mother?
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  Speaker 2: My God.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll be following that. Okay, now let's get into
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  Speaker 4: our very... juicy interview. To remind you guys, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: This is all about Mormon wives, you guys. We are
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  Speaker 2: going to get into.
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  Speaker 4: The secret lives of Mormon wives with the juiciest interview ever.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Let's go. Hello, and welcome to
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have a very juicy guest, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: wanna listen to this one and get all the juicy details.
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  Speaker 4: I've got Marciano Brunette, who was the star of The
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  Speaker 4: Villa on Hulu, but is now the main talk and
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  Speaker 4: the storyline of the third season of Secret Lives of
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  Speaker 4: Mormon Wives, because two of the married, well, they're all
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  Speaker 4: married except for one girl, but two of the married
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  Speaker 4: girls um, had some relations with you and I think, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: To Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for, um, for reaching out to come on
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  Speaker 4: because some people may remember I had two of your
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  Speaker 4: co-stars from the villa on about six months ago, Hannah
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  Speaker 4: and Hagen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Hannah is your ex-girlfriend.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: And you guys, um, were a couple living in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: How many years were you together?
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  Speaker 5: We've been on and off dating now for five years
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  Speaker 5: now almost. Yeah, it's been a while.
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  Speaker 4: So remind us, because I know she told us, but
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  Speaker 4: that was a long time ago. So you guys were bartenders,
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  Speaker 4: worked at a club. What was your role in Vegas?
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  Speaker 5: So she used to work at clubs. I did too
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  Speaker 5: as well. But once COVID happened, we transitioned into the
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  Speaker 5: restaurant business and we started working at the same restaurant together.
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  Speaker 4: And so then how did the Hulu Villa opportunity come up?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. So I was asked by one of my
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  Speaker 5: other castmates on the show, Steven, who was close with Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: Vanderpump.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump. And Lisa, like, when he referred me,
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  Speaker 5: she FaceTimed me, like, the next day. And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we started talking. She, I think, liked me. And then
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  Speaker 5: we started that process for a few months. And then, like,
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  Speaker 5: like a week or two weeks before we started filming,
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  Speaker 5: they were looking for another girl. And at the time,
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  Speaker 5: me and my ex were not, we were not really talking.
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  Speaker 5: Like we were not good. But she's the one who
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  Speaker 5: got me into reality TV.
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  Speaker 2: You mean watching it, being a fan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's the one who got me, like watching Vanderpump
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  Speaker 5: Rules and all the housewives and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I knew how good she would be
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  Speaker 5: for TV that I was like, even if we're not
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  Speaker 5: in a good spot, I definitely think you should be here.
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  Speaker 2: So you weren't living together at that time?
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  Speaker 5: We were not living together at the time. And I
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  Speaker 5: was like, you know what? I'm going to refer her.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just do it. Let's see if she, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And once I referred her, yeah, I kind of just
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  Speaker 5: took off from there. Lisa loved her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When I saw the cast and a little bit of it,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my God, this is the Jax
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  Speaker 4: and Stassi of the infantile years of Vanderpump Rules. And
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  Speaker 4: it's a real relationship and there's a real back and
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  Speaker 4: forth and this is going to be good, you know? Because,
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  Speaker 4: of course, Jax and Sadassi, after they broke up, still
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  Speaker 4: work together and all that stuff. So I could see
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  Speaker 4: why she was excited and why the producers would be
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  Speaker 4: excited about it, besides you guys being attractive and outgoing
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  Speaker 4: and all that.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys agreed to do the villa.
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  Speaker 4: And they had shared that you go to this Italian villa.
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  Speaker 4: It is not a cool, breezy month to be in
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  Speaker 4: the inland.
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  Speaker 2: Part of Italy, right? The actual place, the villa that
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  Speaker 2: you're working in is quite sweaty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very, very hot. I mean, first season
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  Speaker 5: was in France, second season was in Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: So this was the second season.
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  Speaker 2: So you did all of France.
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  Speaker 5: All of France.
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  Speaker 2: And then did the Italy.
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  Speaker 4: And so then an exciting thing, the crossovers are fun
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  Speaker 4: on Hulu as well, Bravo. A handful of the Secret
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  Speaker 4: Lives of Mormon Wives come as vacationers at the villa.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And of those girls, there was Demi, Jesse. Who else
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  Speaker 2: was there?
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  Speaker 5: Layla, Michaela, and Jen.
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  Speaker 2: The Jen Affleck. Okay, so you guys all go.
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  Speaker 4: And there's this flirting that we see watching the villa
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  Speaker 4: between you and Demi. And Demi is married to an
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  Speaker 4: older guy who was divorced. I think she was also
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  Speaker 4: divorced prior to marrying him.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: Which the whole thing with the Mormonism thing is just,
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  Speaker 4: I've talked about it because I'm like, I, as a Catholic,
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  Speaker 4: was kind of raised thinking the Mormons are way more
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  Speaker 4: like extreme and like you're married till you die and
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  Speaker 4: you don't drink coffee and you don't drink alcohol and like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're a virgin when you get married. And
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  Speaker 4: like this show could not be more opposite. Like multiple
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  Speaker 4: marriages by the time you're 31. divorced, cheating, talking about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, swinging. I mean, it's crazy, but it's a
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  Speaker 4: gem for a reality show producer for sure. What was
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  Speaker 4: your thoughts when they came in?
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  Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. Their show hadn't come out yet.
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  Speaker 5: So they were just normal people to us. Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 2: So when they did that, not even season one had aired?
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Season one had not aired yet.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so interesting.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So- Not only did I not know what MomTalk
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: was or anything about the swinging scandal, nothing. I didn't
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: know any of them. If you even wanted to go
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: look at their, well, I remember because they had to
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: post their trailer while they were there, actually, their first trailer.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And I remember once we left getting all their Instagrams
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: and they had very minimal following. So I had no idea.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I had no idea. I think Hannah maybe told me
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: that about Taylor Frankie Paul, but that's it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: The swinging scandal. And they made us kind of aware
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: that there was a swinging scandal, but we had no,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: we had no idea what this was.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to catch up the audience.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: So there are these girls and they really took off
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: during the height of Tik TOK, like a little COVID
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: post COVID, you know, and they would dance in their young,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: beautiful moms in Utah with long flowing hair.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And they had a following.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: And one day Taylor Taylor, Frankie Paul, who's now currently
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: filming The Bachelorette, she came clean and said, my husband
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: and I, we have two kids, we swung with this
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: with another couple which then I think season two they
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: reveal the other girl and we did soft swinging but
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: then season two she's like we had All four of
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: us had sex in the same bed, like with their
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: prospective husbands, but then another person, the other girl and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: her husband would have sex in the same bed. We
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: came out and there were other husbands there that took
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: photos of us making out in short shorts. We took
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: showers together. We, you know, it was beyond spin the
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: bottle type of stuff. And so that is shocking. She
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: gets divorced. She falls for another guy, Taylor Swift.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: What's her name? Frankie?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: What's her first name?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Taylor is her first name.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Taylor falls for another guy named Dakota, and they get pregnant,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: and she has a baby with him. Currently, they are
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: no longer together, co-pairing that, her third child, and she's
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: doing The Bachelor. So that is really what I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: sparked the interest of producers, because here are these beautiful
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: girls that were being so honest about their life.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Like, that's what you want.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Is like, I mean.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I think next, you know, I've watched a few episodes
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: of this season, which just premiered and everyone's dying over it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: But they talk about, you know, swinging, anal, cheating, like
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: crazy shit.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: They're very open.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: There was another one where, like, the girl would, like, shove, like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: a fruity cereal up her twat or something.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: There was a lot.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: There was a lot. Like, I cannot even, like, puts
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: every other show to shame as far as, like, revealing yourself.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: So.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I think that's what makes it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: So crazy is the fact that they're Mormons. And then
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: you hear all these crazy stories of like, and then
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: nobody knows what Mormonism is. And then they're like, well,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: these people are just crazy in general. Like what is
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: it exactly? But to be, to be fair, they're, they're,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: they are very forward and honest about everything. Some of them,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say some, they're not, they're very normal
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: human beings. And I think they're all fantastic. Just to
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: be clear, they're very, very good people. Reward the easy way.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Optionscard.ie.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: He said, I have a work dad.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: happens next.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dar, I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: not going to pull punches.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're making great television. They're, you know, all attractive.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: They all have cute homes. They all have cute kids. Like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: it's like kind of crazy. So your ex-girlfriend, co-worker, Hannah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: fills you in. that there was this weird thing on
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: TikTok with this one girl revealing that, and it was like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: it was one of those things where she didn't have
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: to tell. It was, I never had heard of it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: She just was like, I'm getting so many comments. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: need to tell you that, yes, we were swingers. Everyone's like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: why did you tell on yourself? But by telling on herself,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: three years later, two are in Dancing with Stars. She's
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: the bachelorette. We're sitting talking about it. So everything happens
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: for a reason. Okay, so you're in the villa. They're
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: posting their trailer for the, for the first season of
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the show.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Correct. Yeah. So we didn't know who they were, like
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: I said, and yeah, they're posting the trailer for the
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: first time. And basically we're just getting a feel for
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: who they are as people before all of this comes out.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: And like, we didn't know what to think like whatsoever.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: We just, for me as a, as an, a male,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: like I just saw very nice, attractive women that were
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: very cool to hang out with.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Honestly, they were very, very, um, and none of them drank.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: No, uh, Layla and Jesse drank. Okay. Layla and Jesse drank.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: The others did not.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: So, so the, what we see at the time there,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: what they edited for us is that you and Demi,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: who was also married at the time are having like
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a flirty talking moments where they like show the camera
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: from like above and you guys are on the lounge chairs.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Um, yeah, I can get into that actually a little bit. Um,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: So we, we just kind of like hit it off
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: right away. We were, it was very consensual, just very,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: like we were just easy just to talk to back
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: and forth. And, um, I could get into all of it, honestly,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: but I'll just, I'm just, I'm just going to explain
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: just this one, just this one part was just the
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: fact that we had hit off so well. And I
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: think she just kept, I think she had heard enough
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: from my ex and other people that like, you know, I'm,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: damaged or whatever like I have this persona about me
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: and she kept saying that she wanted to have a
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: therapy session and like try and like change me or
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: work work this out with me and like you know
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: try and basically I don't know get to know who
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: I really was.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Why why why would someone say that you were damaged well.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that was the word she was
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: using or somebody else was but she just felt like
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: she wanted to be in the position to fix it
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: okay and I was like Okay. Like, I was like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: I want to, yeah, I was like, I want to
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: talk to you anyway. Okay, fine. If that's what you
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: want to do, then, um, okay. Like, let's do it. Yeah. Um,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: it was her idea to have that conversation. Not, not
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: saying I didn't want to, I'm just saying it was
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: her idea. And, um, right. What, what's, what's so misleading
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: is the fact that it's unfortunate to see everything that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: going on now because everything that happened in there was
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: so consensual.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And, and so what did happen there?
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'll just flat out say that the accusation
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: she's making against me are 100% false.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Well, first I need you to explain what the accusation
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: is and then why don't you tell us what happened.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: So what is she saying?
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: She's saying that I sexually assaulted her, groped her, I'm
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: a sexual predator, all of those things.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Is she saying it just went to groping or did
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: she say it went further than that?
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: She's changed her words so many times and I don't
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: want to be disrespectful to her and the accusations because
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I do want to preface that. it is so important
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: and it's so important for women to be believed when
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: they say these things. But the only issue obviously is
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: the fact that it's false. And I think that's why
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: it's so problematic and it's such a tricky subject to
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: maneuver through and navigate. Um, but this is my life
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: and it's very damaging and it's something that I have.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And you have every right to defend yourself if it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: not true.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: You know, so, Oh, you know, someone being like, Oh God,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: go away. You thirsty.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: It's like, I hate that because in this, when people
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: have said things that are not true about me, yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: it's your natural instinct to be like, but that's not me.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: That's not my character.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: And you have every right to say that, especially when
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: it's at this level of public, 100%.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: And I think that's the hardest part to deal with
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: is the fact that I'm very self-aware. I'm not dumb.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm very outgoing and very easy to talk to.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And the fact that if I knew that there was
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: a problem or I felt like I needed to back off,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I would have done that no problem. And I'm smart
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: enough to know these things. I was raised right by
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: a good family. But she was very very open to everything.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So what did you guys do in Italy?
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So we were very flirty right from the jump,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: very touchy, very like she, it was really on her
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: behalf because I have to be so careful with those
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: things because, um, I am an alpha male of the show,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: let alone there's a thousand cameras everywhere. And I know
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to get away with things that a normal,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: another person on this show might get away with because
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: they're watching me so hard. And I under, I understand
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: that always. So, it was mainly her. And I think
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: one of the, one of the scenes that, uh, besides
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: like the touchy feely or sitting on the lap, all
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: those things, like we play truth or dare on the
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: first night and I'm sitting next to her the whole time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: And someone asked me to dare to kiss someone. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I politely lean over, ask her, do you mind if
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I kiss you on the cheek? She said, yeah, go
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: for it. And she does talk about it on season
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: three of Mormon lives right now. And I kissed her
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: on the cheek and she was very okay with it. So,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: That's just me asking politely, trying to initiate that I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: being respectful to you. I hope you know that because
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: I absolutely respect women. So, but it didn't stop there, obviously.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: And then we go on to, you know, end up
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: having these conversations and whatnot. And then one thing led
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: to another where when she was leaving, you know, we
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: shared a kiss goodbye. And that's.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So the most you did in Italy was like a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: good kiss. Tongue?
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: So it was just a kiss on the lips. Goodbye.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: But then she leaves and then you guys continue communicating
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: or not?
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I actually want to backtrack just a little bit.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I just want to backtrack a little bit. And once again,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: some of the things that don't aren't shown. And two
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: of them, two of them, and I'm trying to remember,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like 99.9% certain. Before we ended up having that talk,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: she posts the trailer. Cause we only get our phones
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: for a small period of time. She, she was allowed
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: to post her trailer. She had her phone before we
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: had that conversation. She's like, I'm going to call my daughter.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: And asked me, do you want to be there for that?
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Because we had such a
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: strong bond right away. It was like her daughter's first
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: day of school or something like that. And she was like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: do you want to hear how I talk to my daughter?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Kind of interesting. Very interesting.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, I would love to. Because she felt
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: comfortable enough with me to do that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: And I listened to their entire conversation. And then we
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: go and have our, our therapy session.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: And then.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Where it's just the two of you talking.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: On the cute chase lounges. By the way, I have
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: those same ones. It's called business and pleasure.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Good to know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It is so attractive. Anyway, go on. So you're sitting there.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And then after that, so once she does leave and,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: and this is very important is the fact that she
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: does stay, want to, want to stay in touch. But after,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: after we share a kiss and, I'm walking away and
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: this is on camera, by the way, as I'm walking away,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: she says, I love you. Where I then turn around
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: and say, I love you back. And it was the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: craziest thing that I was just like, and that was
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: the last, the last words that were said to each
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: other before she left the last words. And I'm like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: all right, then it went well. And I was very
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: like emotional.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: In the therapy session. What does she reveal about her
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: current marriage?
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, a lot. I mean, we talked for two to
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: three hours, all on camera, where, I mean, she originally
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: wanted to have the therapy session, I think, for me,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: but I think I might.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Have turned it around.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Because I wanted to get to know her, and I
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: was talking a lot about myself, and I didn't mind
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: doing that because I'm not somebody that's very vulnerable. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be vulnerable with her because I thought
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: we had that connection in a way. And then I
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: eventually got into asking her about her marriage, her first marriage,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: her divorce, having kids, and then like where you currently
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: stand with your husband.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: With a second husband.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Who is a bit older than she.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And so, I mean, what do you feel comfortable sharing
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that she said?
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Um.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I want to be respectful to her,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: and that's why it is a little tricky on certain
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: things I will say. But it's just, I think the
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: main thing that I can say is that she... I
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: think she has a right to question a lot of
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: the things that she was telling me when it comes
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: to her marriage and where it's going to go.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: With.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: I think I'll just leave it at that. She has
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of questions that she still.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: About the longevity of it. If this marriage is going
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to go to eternity, to the Mormon whatever.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Eternity, forever. Which, you know, most people have those moments
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: in their marriage.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: So you normally share it with a real therapist or
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: a girlfriend and not a hot guy in an Italian villa.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But you know what? Okay.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: So.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So she leaves.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You have your little, I love moment. And then I
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: love your moment. And then what happens?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Um, I was fired like a few days after, I
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: think I want to say four or five days after that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Why were you fired?
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Um, I just got into a disagreement with, uh, another
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: castmate coworker that I, once again, I said, my presence
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: is very known. And I was, I guess, intimidating the
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: person where they didn't feel comfortable, uh, living in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: same household, I guess, anymore. And, you know, they felt
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: like it was best if I left.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: And how did you feel about that? Did you feel
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: like you got fucked over or were you like, fine,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: get me out of here. I'm just going to go
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: back to my Vegas life.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: No, no. I was very disappointed because it was more
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the fact that not only did I let myself down,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: I let Lisa down because I know how much, like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: you know, she, you know, wanted to.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: But you don't think she had a say to be like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: don't fire him? I mean, I feel like on Better
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Pump Rules, there was times where James was fired numerous times,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: but she wanted to keep him on the show. Maybe
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: he's not actually working at the restaurant, but she wants
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: to keep him on the show. But maybe at the
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: villa in this infancy of the series, maybe they didn't
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: have a way to keep you on the show if
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: you weren't actually working at the villa.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: No, and I understand. I think Lisa, I will never
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: judge Lisa for the decisions she makes, and she has
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: to make those decisions, and I'm okay with it, whether
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's wrong or right. Um, I will always
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: trust Lisa and, um, it was just unfortunate, but it's okay. Honestly,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: it worked out for the best. And I like, it
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: really did work out.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: For the best. So you go back to Vegas.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Go back. No, no, no, no. I mean, and I,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: you've seen this on social media. They showed on secret lives,
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Mormon wives. Um, no, I'm still in Italy. I'm getting
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: dinner with Hannah. Cause we both got fired at the
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: same time.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: And to me follows me and messages me because I
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: posted that I was eating out in Italy and she
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: knew I didn't have my phone. So when she saw that,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: she was like, what the hell happened?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You mean you can't have your phone when you're filming
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the show?
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Correct, correct.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so now she sees you're posting, so she's like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: what happened?
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah, and then that's when she tries to figure
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: out why I'm posting. Yeah. And I'm sure you can
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: look up the messages where she is like, call me.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: And then she gives me her phone number and I
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: call her. And we have two conversations, one for 49
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: minutes and the second conversation for an hour and 13 minutes.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: And I just remember one, Hannah was so mad because
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: we had just gotten dinner and she was like, why the,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: are you talking to this woman for two hours when
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: we were like going through and being firing.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: But this time you and Hannah are still now just
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: former boyfriend, girlfriend.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: But we're also trauma bonded.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But at this time, platonic friends.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Correct. And we still care about each other. We're just
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: fired together.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: And, um, she's like, why are you talking to this
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: woman for two hours? And, um, But the main thing
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: was that I took from it. And in that conversation,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: she did actually try and say those accusations to me.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: She was like, you know, she was like, she asked me,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: were you fired for like, you know, touching me? I
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: was like, what are you talking about? And then this
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: is what makes me really upset, but also ends up
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: backfiring on her is the fact that she didn't know
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: why I was fired and she panics and she's with
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: all the girls still. So she tries to get ahead
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: of what possibly could have happened, whatever, and tells all
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: the girls that she was sexually assaulted. And she has
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: talked about this where she was like, I told them
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: all to stay silent. I don't want this coming out. Well,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: because it wasn't true, obviously. And she was just trying
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: to protect herself just in case if I come out
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: and talk about it or say something, whatever, or why,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: if it comes out on the show, why I was fired, whatever.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: And So she tried to do that right away. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: it ended up backfiring on her because I told her,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: I was like, what are you talking about? And I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: was like, and then I told her why I was fired.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Which was with a totally different person.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Had nothing to do with flirting with a mom talk people.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: And it's because someone had just been fired. Aiden was fired.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I still don't even know why, but things were going
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: on with him and Layla in there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And And Layla's another Mormon wife.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: They were hooking up all the night before, and he
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: was fired the next day. So she was like, did
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: he get fired for doing something with me?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And then it would come out on the show. So
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: she would rather get ahead of it and say it
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: was unwanted advances.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the girls were trying to pressure her into
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: filing charges.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Because they believed her and were horrified.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: They were trying to believe her, which I 100% agree with.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Except if it's not true.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Except if it's not true. And she was like, no,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do that. I want to bury this.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just making you aware. And it's a backfire on her.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: But we ended up staying in touch. Um, we ended
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: up staying in touch all the way until the Jesse, um,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: all the way until the Jesse, um.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So how many months, like what dates are we talking
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: about that you guys, it's post Italy and you guys
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: are corresponding via phone.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So middle of August I left, I was just checking.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: August of 24 or 23?
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 2024. I left, I got back to Vegas, I
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: think on August 18th.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And once again, their show had not coming out yet.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: And we stay in touch all the way up until
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I want to say like end of September or something
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: like that. um but in the meantime their show's gonna
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: come out and we're in touch.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: They do season one and two all at the same
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: time and then split it in half how do they
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: get all how are we already at season three in
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: uh november of 25 yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I know so season one was filmed a while ago
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: i think they shot the pilot they recast it i
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: think they brought jesse and demi on after the pilot
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: then you got season one and then they've started shooting.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Two seasons a year okay got it um.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah but um in the meantime while we're you know
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: still uh talking and um she asked me to come
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: to utah To go see her premiere. And I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Jen might have said something, said this, like he was
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: invited to dinner, which is true. I was invited to
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: go to her house with her husband there and like
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: hang out and watch the premiere and stay there.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Wait, you spent the night at the house?
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't end up going because- Oh, you didn't
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: end up going. I didn't end up going because Jen
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: and Michaela were not my biggest fans and they didn't
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: agree with what Demi was doing. And I didn't want
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: to cause a problem. Because like I said, I knew
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Jen was not a fan of mine and I was like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I don't want to cause problems. So I'm going to just,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I'm going to, I'm going to stay. I'm going to,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I'm going to not go. So I didn't end up going,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: but I was invited.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: And what month was that?
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: That was in September.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: September of 24.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. So then after that premiere, do you continue to correspond?
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Correct. Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: All via FaceTime and text?
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Um, text, phone calls.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what are you guys doing? Just talking about
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: your workouts or are you masturbating or what are you doing?
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: That's a good question. No, I think, I mean, it
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: was just honestly, we just had a good, like a
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: good friendship. We could talk about anything.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Honestly.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: We really could just talk about anything.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But at any point when you're talking to her, are
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you like, so what are you doing with your husband?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, can we ever meet up? Are you ever
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: asking for that?
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, so the original, the original reason I
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: go to LA, um, when she and Jesse are supposed
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: to go is because she told me to come out.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: She asked me to come and meet her in LA.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Jesse asked me to like on social media, like casually,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: but like to me, it was like, Hey, I'm going
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: to be in LA. Come out.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So who all went, it wasn't to promote their Hulu thing.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Uh, I think they were just, they were doing a
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: podcast and, um, and they, and They're doing a podcast
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: with someone I know, obviously. And I was like, oh, perfect.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I know that person. I'll come. We can all hang out.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: So it was Jesse and just Jesse and Demi came out.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Correct. But no, no, no.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Demi didn't end up going because she was fighting with-
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: The husband. No, with Jesse about contracts for season two.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: So they reveal that in the- In the first couple episodes,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: the first episode of season three, where one of the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: girls goes, I think it's Michaela, goes through and kind
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: of says where everybody's at at the beginning of this filming.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: And Demi wanted three times as much money as the
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: rest of us. So right now she's not filming.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: That's for season three.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, for season two, she's trying to get more too.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: She's trying to do it too for season two.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Okay. Did she get more?
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: They all did.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: But she wanted more. Okay.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: But it was really funny because she was including me
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: in all those talks between her and Jesse. So, like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I knew everything that was going down about their contracts.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Because she made me very aware. Because my other friend
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: was dealing with Jesse, and she was relaying the information
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: to me, what Jesse was saying, and then we were
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: kind of all just trying to put it together of, like,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: all right, what is Jesse saying? What's Demi saying? And
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: then are we going to hang out in L.A.? Um,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: long story short though, Demi doesn't end up coming and
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Jesse just comes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: And so, so, so she comes out just to do
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: the podcast. It wasn't press for anything. And you come
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: out just for fun. You're not doing press for a
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: villa or anything.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: Correct. We ended up doing like a, uh, I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: it was like a Porsche, a Porsche, like get together
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: or something like that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Like a little brand thing.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: And so, so you, you all meet there, you're hanging out.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: What happens with you and Jesse now? Who is, married
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: to her second husband. She has two kids. She has
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: a successful hair salon and hair business. And she's 32
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: or around there. What happens with you guys?
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I'm going to just backtrack really quick. And like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: you don't see it on our show. And for whatever understanding,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: like she and every, all the girls say that I
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: was only into Demi, which is, which is true to
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: an extent, but like.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: This one is Demi.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Correct. Okay.
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: She's the one that you kissed at the villa.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Then this Jesse's in the front here.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. This way we can like point to the girl.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: So go on.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Um, but Jesse and I had a couple of really
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: good conversations in the villa. Like very, very good conversation.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: She was very easy to talk to as well. Like
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: I said, like they're all really amazing people, but like
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Jesse to me and, and, Layla as well was who
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: I was closest with in the villa. But Jessie and
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I hit it off for her enough to be like, yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: come to LA because she wanted to hang out as well.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it was weird. So once we found out
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Demi wasn't going and I was like, well, I'm still
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: going to go. Why wouldn't I go? Like, I do
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: want to see Jessie. She was a very nice person.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: She was awesome to hang out with. Right away, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: just got a vibe where I was like, I don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: know what to think. because once I get to her
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: hotel with my friend.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: A guy friend?
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: No.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: It was Sheena. Yeah.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to say Sheena's name, but.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: I'm remembering the story. I was trying to leave her
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: out of it for her.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't this all?
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: I was trying to leave her out of it.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Was this before, after, or during the Sheena birthday party,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the 40th birthday?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Because I went to that party.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I know you did. I know you did. And I
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: was not invited. This is way before. This is September
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the year before.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so months before. Okay, so continue.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So months after the 40th birthday, you come out, you're
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: friendly with Sheena.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: No, months before the 40th birthday.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is the month before the 40th.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because her birthday was this year.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what month that was?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: May.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, May. Okay, so this is.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: September the year before.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the thing had just premiered, and you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: go and hang out and you and Sheena go over
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: to Jesse's hotel in LA.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So she was just so excited to
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: see me to the point where she, she ran and
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: jumped into my arms.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Like, like a bachelor, like toddler job.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And wrapped her legs around me where I was like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was like, yeah, we were close in
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: the villa. We were, we really were. And you don't
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: see it, but I was like, that was crazy. A lot.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: A little much.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: But I mean, it's not to say I wasn't into it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: It's not like you can't carry her. You're pretty rough.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: So I was like, oh, maybe there's something I'm missing
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: here or something I'm trying to put together. And one
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: thing just led to another where we were just very
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: flirtatious back and forth with each other the whole night.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: And then obviously alcohol was involved. So, you know, our
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: decisions were compromised to an extent. But not to say
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: that she didn't want it and I didn't want it
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: because I definitely did.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So you say goodbye to Sheena and you go back
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to her hotel. Yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Um, we all say goodbye together. Okay. And, and Sheena's
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: talked about this. We've all, we all leave Jesse's hotel
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: room to go back to the Valley and she's in
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: West Hollywood.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I was going to stay around there and I told
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Jesse that, but we ended up going all the way
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: back to Sheena's house in the Valley.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: And Jesse is, you know, she's like, do you want
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: to come back? And I was like, Fuck yeah, I do.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: So you go back to her hotel.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So that was one of the harder things to
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: deal with because, you know, and once again, I'm trying
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: to leave them out of it because I don't want
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: them to, I personally just don't want them to talk
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: about it because I'm trying to be respectful to them
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Who, the girls?
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: No, Sheena and Brock.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's fine.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: You know, I go back to their house and she
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: asked me to come over and I'm like, Okay? So.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: You guys Uber together.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Back?
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: No, I Uber alone back to Jesse's hotel room. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: they were like, you know, they're asking me where I'm going,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: what I'm doing, and I'm just kind of like, I'm
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: just going to see a girl, whatever. You know, trying
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: to downplay it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: And.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So you didn't tell Sheena at that time?
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: No, no. Okay. I mean, she has my location. She's
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: talked about that. She has my location.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: So.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: She's the best.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, go on. So.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: If anyone gets murdered, we know who to call first. Yeah, literally. Okay,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: go on.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: So then I get back to West Hollywood and, you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Jesse has since told this story on bio files where I,
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: it's all true for the most part. We were up
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: for hours talking and yeah, just, you know, one thing
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: led to another where we felt, you know, comfortable enough
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: where we wanted to kiss each other and we did.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: And then we went to bed and then I woke
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: up and she was like, Jordan's calling me. I think
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: you need to leave. And I was just like, yeah, okay,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: no big deal. Because we were meeting up in an
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: hour anyway. We were meeting up in an hour to
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: do this influencing event. So I was going to see
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: her in like an hour. Okay, so continue.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: So then you do your influencing event.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: And then the text that she shares on the show
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: is she's reading to the girls.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: So then let's watch.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Let me just tell you what I saw on the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: show and then I have questions. So Layla somehow communicates
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: with you. And you tell her that you've been having
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: an affair that involved full penetration.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: That's what I said. Correct.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: And she then goes to Jesse and is like, on camera,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: this is what's happening. It's on camera, so you better
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: deal with it. Then Jesse says, just so you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: I told Jordan six months ago that this happened. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: we did talk and we did have, but all it was,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: was a kiss. So then she called, they called you
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: on speaker on camera.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: And she's like, what are you saying that we had sex?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And you are like, uh, whatever I had come in
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: my underwear, but what you do, you boo, whatever. Fine. Fine.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: So what happened?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I'll explain. Um, I guess I'll explain.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: You had a wet dream.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: No.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Like a 13-year-old boy?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Honestly.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I find that a little hard to believe.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: But okay. It's so embarrassing that I said that, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I knew I was getting the phone call because while
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: production was going on, this was all happening so fast,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: which actually, to backtrack really quick, it sucks that I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: going to throw production under the bus, but Layla and
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: I just spoke. We had our scene together where- you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: I kept trying to say hook up and they wanted
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: me to say sex and stuff like that. And I
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: was just like, all right, whatever. So I ended up
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: saying we have sex, but the shitty thing was, was
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: the fact that they end up production ends up telling
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Jesse before she even gets to, it was supposed to
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: be Layla surprising her with it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: And to me, I watch it on the show and
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: I'm like, That's a tough watch because I know I
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: just had a conversation with you like 30, like an
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: hour before.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: A conversation with who?
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: With Jessie.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And did she know? So you said, look, I already
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: talked to Lala. It's all coming out on the show. Layla.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: It's all coming out on the show?
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Before the conversation in the car with her.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Correct. I did think the acting wasn't great.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: So I was like.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Because Jessie was like this.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, I think you'd be more shocked.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: The person that was truly shocked in hearing it for
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: the first time was, I think, Taylor Frankie Paul.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: When she comes back from her retreat.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: And Dakota tells her.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: And she truly seemed dumbfounded.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: So that's like a real reaction where you're like, wait,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I thought the flirting was going on with Demi.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: How did this jump to Jesse? Yeah.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: Which is funny because I didn't know Layla was there
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: to talk to me about Demi. Because production had not
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: made me aware of that. It was like I was
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: supposed to only talk about Jessie.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: So after the night in the bed where you both
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: admit to kissing only, no dry humping. I'm a dry
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: humping queen. If that's all I had to do in life,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I'd be fine. I wouldn't have kids, but I'd be fine.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I like it with jeans.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Did a Mormon jump on the bed while you did
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: the soaking?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Do you know what that is?
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. I'm aware of it. There wasn't another Mormon.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Did Sheena jump on the bed so that you could
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: perform soaking? Yes.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, she did. No, it was Brock. Brock's a strong guy.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: No.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: What Jesse said is true.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: So this is what you're saying. Just kissing. Yeah. Where
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: did the cum come from?
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: It didn't. I was so... Once again, I'm in my
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: mind trying to figure out what I'm gonna, like, what
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: am I gonna, like, am I just, like, do I
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: stick to this lie that I just told? Do I
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: try and just come clean about it now, but then
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: I look stupid? So, like, I was so in my head.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: And then the production of it all. Yeah, I'm like, fuck,
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: what am I doing? Okay. So, in my mind, I'm like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: how do I try and sell this?
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: So, when did all the sexy text happen that she's
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: reading with her husband right behind her in earshot, at
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: that event.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Which was like episode two of the season.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So that was all after. Okay.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: And I think one of the, then you were trying
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: to maybe have another hookup in real person in real life.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, we were talking nonstop. A hundred percent. And like,
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: once again, I'm trying to be respectful to Jesse as
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: much as Jordan too. I like both of them. They're
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: very nice people. And I'm very, well, I mean, they
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: talked all about you and I know, I know, but
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: I do want to be sympathetic to them because of
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: their family. I hope you know that. But, um, I
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: do want to obviously speak the truth of, she has
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: said that it was like for two weeks. It was
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: way longer than two weeks.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Going back.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like we, we were really strong for like two,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know, two weeks, whatever it was.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And was it just texting or was it phone calls
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and FaceTime?
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. A hundred percent phone calls, FaceTime. Okay. She was,
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: you know, sending me pictures. I would send her pictures.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Sexy pictures.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say specific, but, um, I'll say no.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: I'll say no. And, uh, Yeah. Okay. But once, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: once Jordan caught us.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Her husband.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, once her husband caught us.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And how did he catch it?
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: We were all in Vegas together, and they just talked
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: about it on the other podcast, and he did catch us.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: You, Jordan.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: And Jesse.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Jesse, we're all in Vegas together, like, hanging out, having dinner.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Where were you?
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were in town, and, you know, uh,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're doing with podcasts or just
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: hanging out with her family. She brought her other sisters
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: and their husbands. But, um, yeah, I set them up
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: for dinner one night.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Um, somewhere at the Aria.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: But it was, yeah, it was a tile group property.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: So I knew people from tile group, got them a
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: complete full comp dinner. Okay. And they were amazing. And
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: then we all go to marquee the next day together.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: The nightclub.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Cause I met them at dinner once they were done. Okay.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Just to hang out, gamble a little bit, whatever. And
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: then the next day we go to the day club together.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, day club.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a day club together.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: What month is this now?
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: It was the same time. It was.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Still September?
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was end of... Either end of September,
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: I want to say.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: And... Of 24.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, correct. And.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, you know... So you're at the day club,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: you're having fun? I'm just being extremely hospitable to them. Like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to make sure they have a good time. Right.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: But obviously I want to see Jesse. And, you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to be respectful. And then, like, and honestly,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: I'll say this now, like, Jordan and I just, like,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: we hit it off.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can be sister-husbands.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: He was so cool.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Could you be brother-husbands?
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Did you ever think about a new reality show called Brother-Husbands,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: which is a spinoff of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Oh, perfect. Any spinoff, perfect. But no, and this is
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: where the guilt started to eat away at me, where
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I felt like, wow, I really am a piece of
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: shit now.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Because this guy is really cool. And, like... I'm like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: what am I doing here? And it sucks because, like,
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: that whole time we're texting back and forth.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Even during Vegas?
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like, trying to see each other and stuff like that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Like, what, around the corner in a bathroom at the Marquis?
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, I'll be texting her while
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: she's sitting right across from me.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And what are you saying? Let's fucking go make out
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: and dry hump in that bathroom over there? What are
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: you saying?
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: Something. I don't know. That's hot.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: Something.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: So it was a really tough situation trying to navigate through,
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: and I felt like such a piece of shit.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: So then you decide you're having a bromance with the husband.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, to the point where everyone left, and it was
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: just me and Jordan hanging out for a little bit.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Talking what? Sports and shit?
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Just shooting the shit.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: Like I said, he was so cool, and it sucks
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: how everything played out, but I mean, I... I deserve it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly made a huge mistake. How does he find out?
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: So I leave. I set them up at Vanderpump Cocktail Garden.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: For dinner.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: And then we were going to go to a nightclub again.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: But she had something they were doing or whatever. I
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: think she said they were in dinner, but I don't
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: know the specifics. And I guess he caught us texting
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: and took her phone.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: And then does he write you as Demi? I'm sorry,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: as Jesse?
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: No, no. He calls me.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And what does he say? And so you're like, Hey buddy,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: how are those 49ers?
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: And then he says, no, no, no, no, no. I
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: think Jesse calls me first. I don't remember. I can't remember.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: It was like the craziest.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Hey girl, when are we going to dry hump? And
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: he's like, it's Jordan.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. He called me on his phone, but
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: I think Jesse, I think Jesse warned me first. I
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: think Jesse warned me first. And I think then he
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: texted me being like, I know. And I was like, no, what? Like,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: what are you talking about? I'm like, And then he
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: calls me and then we end up having a conversation.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: What does he say?
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: He's actually extremely calm.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: What did he say? He's extremely calm.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: He just wanted to know the truth. And that's where
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: I tell him the truth.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: That you kissed in the hotel. Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: And, you know, uh, I, I told him the truth
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: and exactly what happened. And obviously he could see the
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: text messages, but, um, yeah. And then that's why, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: Jesse does say this where she was so just, you know,
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: struck and shocked that I said we had sex. because
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: that wasn't the truth and she knew that because that's
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: what I told Jordan and Jordan knew that as well
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: and that's why they were so upset about the entire
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: thing and why I look dumb for lying and I
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: deserve that I should never have lied don't lie be
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: honest and that was what really hurt me because I knew.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: But just to be clear in what you're telling me
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: You kind of want that extra thing. I've had like
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives and stuff tell me that the cameras are
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: in their kitchen and they're doing a scene with their
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: kid and the producers are like, just get to this part,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: you know? And they're finally like, Okay, so if I
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: say this, oh, you're having sex with your girlfriend to
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: their son, then you guys can get the fuck out
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: of my kitchen. I can go to bed and the
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: day is done.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Basically, yes.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: So I know sometimes reality stars are pushed to say
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: or do or get to something quicker because truly they
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: just want the day to be done. They want the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: mic off their back. And it sounds a little bit
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: from what you've told me or a lot bit that,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: that's sort of where you got yourself in that, that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: pickle of a lie that is pretty bad of a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: lie to say that you had sex when you didn't.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And like, I mean, I was heavily
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: influenced by Demi as well. And she knew she had
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: that power over me because I didn't know what I was.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: I really had no idea.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Why are you influenced by Demi to say that you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: had sex with Jesse?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Because Demi's the one who brought it to production.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: To share that this shit's been going on.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: She used it as leverage to get more money in
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: her third contract season.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: That people think that she orchestrated this whole thing, even
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: pursued a flirtation with you and a texting relationship with
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: you after, to then be the Tom Sandoval, Ariana of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: it all, and have this exciting thing going on.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And then leverage it for more money. And you believe
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: that's true?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: 100% true, 100%.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: So do you think she never really was interested in
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: you or jeopardizing her marriage?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: I think once she found out about the Jesse stuff,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: we had a long conversation after she accused me of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: it and I denied it.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: So you think she was jealous of the Jesse thing then?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would be if I was flirting with
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: this guy for a while and then he ends up
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: with my co-star. I would be like, what the fuck,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: whether this is real or not, I don't like you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: talking to another girl and being interested in another girl
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: that looks exactly like me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: In the conversation, it definitely, it's, I don't want to,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: I don't want to say jealousy, but she definitely had
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: a feeling about it where she didn't feel good about it,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: where she's like, I got to put up boundaries and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: all this stuff. And then we pretty much stopped talking
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: right after that. So if I look back on it, hindsight,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: like that's what it seems like for sure.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing you didn't go to the nightclub that night.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Did they go to the Vanderpump cocktail?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: The weekend is done.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: The weekend was shot.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: And they go off and they deal with this. They
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: don't share it with any cast members. And you stopped communication.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: No, no. That's the thing.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: You did or you didn't?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: No, I did not.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: You did not stop communication with Jesse after this.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: This is where I feel like I'm even a worse
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: person and I deserve it. I suck.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, what happened?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: We kept talking. We absolutely, we stayed in touch for,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, all the way up until I came out
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: about this. I think like we, we would not talk
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: as much anymore, obviously because Jordan was so aware that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: he didn't want, you know, he's, you know, looking at
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: her phones and all that stuff. But I mean, we
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: had transitioned to WhatsApp. We were going through Instagram. Like
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: we were staying off the phone. We were trying to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: navigate it as best we could. And, um, That's why
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: it was so tough.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Was it still sexual in nature, the communication?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: I think there was a part of it, but a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: part of it was me comforting her because I could
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: tell she was going through a lot. And it was
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: more me trying to understand and be there for her
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: and let her know that I cared for her. And
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: I will always be there for her, whatever she needs.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so now what month and year are we in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: that you're still communicating? Are we in 2025 yet?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: Um, no, when 2025, I think the last conversation I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: had with her in 2025, uh, was probably my birthday.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: She messaged me my birthday's in January. Okay. She was dealing,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: she was having, um, some medical procedures done.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, she got a nose job.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: No, no actual health concerns.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, cause no, she was honest about the nose job.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: Actual health concerns. Um, and you know, I had messaged
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: her hoping everything's gonna be okay. She had messaged me
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: for my birthday. And then I don't think, I think
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: we didn't talk much after January because I think I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: started filming either, I would have to look at the dates,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: either end of February, early March, something like that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: What did you, you filmed their show?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: More than once, yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: So February, March, they bring you on.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: What episodes are you in? Because I've only watched the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: first two.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I'm in three and four.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: But I'm talked about the entire season. Right. Well, I mean. Well,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: because once it transitions from, Me and Jesse, it goes
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: into then me and Demi and the allegations and stuff
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: And so right now on Hulu, you can watch the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: whole season?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Correct, yes, you can.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: So people need to, I didn't have time to watch
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: the whole season, but I'm kind of glad I didn't
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: because I want people to watch it because it's juicy.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: It's very juicy.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: And now you know all, you know this point of
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: view that you might not get.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: In an edited show.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Do you make an appearance at the reunion with Stassi?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a tricky, that's a tricky one. I was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: supposed to be.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: I was supposed to be and I'm not.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: An hour before we're supposed to film it, they asked
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: me not to do it. Okay. And honestly, the circumstances
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: you'll end up finding out, I'm very okay with it.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Because I was extremely left in the dark on a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: lot of things where I didn't know what was going
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: to happen. I was like, we're prepping for it, trying
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: to figure out what's going on, not really getting much,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: coming up with exactly what I'm going to say about
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: this or that, not really knowing. And thankfully, I think
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: it worked out for the best. I really do.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: I really do.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: So when was the reunion just filmed?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: The reunion was filmed in September. end of August, early September.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: So they filmed the show that we're going to watch
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: like March, April, May.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: You don't, do you know?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They're filming season four right now. Okay.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: So then there was like a summer break and now
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: they just, and then they got together in August to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: do the reunion.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Yep. While they're filming season four.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. So this is still a few months away. Okay.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: I mean back.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: We filmed season three. Well, that's the thing. I was,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: so I'm contract, I was contracted. for episodes season two,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: 11 through 20, which they ended up turning into a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: season three.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: Okay. Um, which is kind of funny because they ended
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: up adding me into episode 10 of season two, which
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: I was not contracted for, but whatever.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Um, do you feel the money was good?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: Uh, we're not going to get into that one, but
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: not as good as them, but it's okay. But, um, no. So,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: We filmed March to February, March to June, I believe.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: June is when the season three stopped. And then they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: picked up cameras again in August.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: August.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: And so. For season four. How do you feel?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Like, where are you now in your life? You said
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: you had an incredible weekend because you saw me from
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: afar at the Hakkasan Club.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: It was fun. I was like, oh, Heather McDonald, what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: are you doing here? What are you doing here? You
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: look like you're having fun.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: I just did my show at the MGM Grand, which
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: is in the same, and so they hooked me up,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: which was so fun, and to see Kyle Cook.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And everything, he was great.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: He was really good.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he great? And you DJ too?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: I DJ as well. I'm dropping some music soon that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: I'm very excited about. Cool. So I'm starting to book
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: some gigs around the country, but mainly in Vegas for sure, but.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: Is that kind of like the career path you want
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: to go is sort of use this, this notoriety to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: like get people to go and enjoy you.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: As a DJ. I think I'm, I'm always been entrepreneurial
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: and then I always have a lot of passions. Music
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: has been one of them. Um, hospitality, why I look
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: up to Lisa is one of them because she's such
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: a good mentor for that. So, uh, I would love it.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Her places in Vegas are so genius.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: They're so good.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: Uh, and she's got one coming out soon in Scottsdale
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: and then she has.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: The Scottsdale is such a great. Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: She's taking over the Cromwell Hotel as well. The Cromwell
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: Hotel is hers. It's going to be crazy.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: I think it's genius that she's, you know, going to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: other states and stuff.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: And yeah.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: No, it's great. But there's a lot of things that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: I'm passionate about. Music and DJing is one of them.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: I don't want to be like one of those people
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: that just shows up at a club and just like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: takes pictures with people.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: That's getting paid there to do that. Like I want
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: to be out there and like give you something. Performing.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: I want to give you something, you know. Senior year
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: was fun, though. It was a good time, for sure.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: That was really cool. Actually, I wanted to backtrack because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: Kyle is a perfect representation.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Kyle Cook.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: Kyle Cook is a perfect representation of somebody that I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: wanted to meet. What's funny is I didn't get a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: chance to meet him because he was DJing, and then
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: I didn't stay long enough. I left right as he
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: was finishing. But he's an entrepreneur. He's on reality TV.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: He DJs. he's married, whether it's going good or not,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: but like that persona, like, I'm not saying I agree
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: with all his choices he makes. I'm just saying that.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: What I think is good is he kept other, which is,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: that is why Lisa, you know, really is the success
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: story of all success stories. Because she.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: was an exciting reality personality in herself, but she already
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: had a business that was doing well, but then exponentially
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: made it huger, had spinoffs at all these other shows,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: and yeah, and Kyle is good. He had The Beverage Company,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: but he wanted to DJ too, which is great. You know,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Hannah Berner was on that show. She was doing funny
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: stuff before they got, and then she used that platform
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: to actually do stand up, become a good stand up,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: you know, like do the work and get to a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: place where, so yeah, it can be a wonderful springboard,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: especially in today's world where there isn't that much production happening.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: And so you're crazy. I think to turn down a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: reality show thing, unless you're, you know, an old rich
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: person that's doing illegal shit.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: Really worried about your life coming out.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: But if you're a younger person, which is why I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: think they're pursuing a lot of younger talent on Hulu
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: and Bravo, it's like already that generation has already shared
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: so much, like the TikTok girls. They'd already shared so much.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: If I was a producer, that's who I would be
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: pursuing because they're already used to being authentic in the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: social media world and then putting on another level is
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: just a greater platform to then get other businesses going.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: So that's cool. Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: A hundred percent.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: What's your romantic life like right now?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a tough one as well because, um, I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: wish I could say more. I cannot because I think
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: you'll end up seeing some stuff come out.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Um, I think I'm, I'm obviously trying to navigate things
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: to the best I can, whether it's.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: With my ex, um, or Hannah, you're still seeing her.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: I didn't say that, but I did not say that either.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: She's adorable. She's a really good person. You haven't seen
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: the episode yet, but she tries to come to my
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: defense to shut down those accusations. And that's because I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: wasn't there. I got uninvited to that event because of that.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: And she did a great job trying to protect me,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: which I appreciate. But romantically, I'm figuring that one out
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: as well as... I'm just trying to figure out everything
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: that's going on right now, to be honest with you.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: It's tough to be, I think, anyone in the reality
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: TV space, it's tough to maneuver real relationships because you
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: don't really know someone's authentic reasoning of, you know, them
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: trying to talk to you. So.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: It is really hard.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, when you think about, like, the Vanderpump original cast,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: you know, even Brittany met Jax at a Vegas party.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: you know, now she's the star of the show and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: very well liked and, you know, wonderful human being. But
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, you know, and then for the talent, yeah,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: it's sometimes they meet someone great and that person then goes,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: I don't want to film with you. And they're like,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: it's the same thing when a housewife gets divorced and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: her husband says, I don't want the kids on, which
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: is understandable at the same time. Then that housewife says,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: nobody ever sees her being a mom and they just
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: see her getting drunk and throwing wine at people.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you're a, you're a horrible mother. And
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, they didn't let me show you when
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like making turkey tacos with my kids. So it's,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: it is a hard, it's a hard thing to maneuver.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: I have a lot of empathy for even the Bravo
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: con stuff this weekend. I was like, you know, seeing
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: now all the fans, you know, saying this one was
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: nice and this one wasn't nice.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you guys don't understand that. A real actor. Okay.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: A real actor.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Does press for a movie and it's over.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: They are not expected to say hi and take a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: photo with every single person waiting for a valet, waiting
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: for this. And if they don't, then that fan is like, well,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: they're a horrible person and they do a TikTok about.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, It's just, it's, it's a lot.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: You don't realize how accessible you have to be as
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: a reality star. It's not the same as being an
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: actor and people expect more from you. And it's cool
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: that you are like that because you're not, you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, but at the same time, it's like, you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: just can't win.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: You just kind of can't win.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: It's tough to maneuver through a lot of those things.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: And it's like, how does your family feel about the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: fact that you are now in this space? I.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: My parents are very supportive. They're absolutely fantastic. Like I said,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: I was raised from a really good, good old school
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: Italian family that like has taken care of me very,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: very well. And they're extremely sympathetic to the decisions that
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: I make, whether they're good or bad. They try to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: understand that one, it's a reality TV show. And they'd
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: also know me as a son where they know I'm
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: not like that because there's times where it can be
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: authentically yourself on TV, but also performative. And people don't
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: always understand that. But, I think the hardest part of
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: what they've been dealing with lately is the accusations because my,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: my mother sees that and she's so heartbroken where somebody,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: a woman like that can make accusations about her son,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: where she now is questioning what I'm doing and defend
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: me to either other family members or to the people
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: she works with. And it just sucks. I feel so
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: bad for them.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: It's I know like, I put myself in that position
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: being on reality TV, but I never would have thought
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: this would have ever happened.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: You didn't really seek it out.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Were you, um, cause I said this, Hannah said the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: same thing. I'm like, you're so beautiful. Were you pursuing
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: modeling acting? And she's like, no.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: So you guys really weren't like theater kids or models
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: or anything?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: I had done some modeling. Um, I'd done theater in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: high school, never after that. But, um, I knew I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: was going to get on reality TV. I'd been auditioning
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: for a few different shows that I hadn't gotten on.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it was something that you saw yourself doing.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. I had auditioned for a couple different things
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: that I'm very happy I didn't end up doing now.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Like what? Can you say?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, it was like two different.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Gigalos, was it? No. Okay. On Showtime?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Definitely not.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, good.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: That's all I care about.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I had known once I fell in love
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: with Vanderpump Rules that I was like, this is what
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: I'm going to do. 100%. I was so adamant about it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: And I film on Vanderpump Rules, like one episode, two episodes.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: When they came to Vegas?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: No, no, here in L.A. Oh, okay.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: The new cast.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: No, no, the old cast. Not to say I wouldn't
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: do the new one.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: I would be open to it.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to see it.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: So, well, this was so interesting.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm going to let everyone know. See, like,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: this is not a cute photo of you.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Here you are. That's winter. That's winter Marciano, unfortunately.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: And I learned that the hard way of not being
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: able to put on weight in the winter anymore because
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: I have to do press things. So I said, now
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: I have to stay in shape all the time.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: You look totally different.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, that guy's cute. He just doesn't look like you.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: And then, oh, this was a juicy thing.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Dakota.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dakota dated Taylor's.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Baby mama's best friend.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he just talked to her.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Um, so here is where people can follow you.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Marciano. Marciano. Am I saying it? Marciano.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: You got it. B. That's all. Marciano B.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: He has a blue check mark. He's got some good, uh,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: chest body workout. I mean, that is pretty good.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: I try.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: I try.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: I try.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: See, that does not look like that.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: No, no. And that's winter. You have to understand. And
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: I had to figure it out. I didn't, I didn't
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: realize how many press things you do, like where I'm like, okay,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: I don't, I can't take a day off anymore. I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: have to stay in shape all the time and look good. Um,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: so like that guy, like, I shaved my face thinking,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: and it didn't grow back in time. And then I
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  Speaker 5: was like, oh, well, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what that is. Are you normally a
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  Speaker 2: beard person or not?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I usually am. And I shaved it because I
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  Speaker 5: was doing something. I wanted to see how it looked.
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  Speaker 5: And then it didn't grow back fast enough. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm screwed.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's why you look.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I like the beard.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I think the beard is cool. If you ever had
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  Speaker 2: to play a role where you're.
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  Speaker 4: Someone much younger, then I think that you look a
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  Speaker 4: lot younger without the facial hair. That's so interesting when
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  Speaker 4: it really changes the guy's looks.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, tall drink of water, very worked out.
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  Speaker 5: It's coming back.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't say that.
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