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More NFL Schedule Release thoughts + NFL Offseason Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: let's just dive in. But I was thinking about this because,
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Speaker 1: you know, the schedule hit. I had a lot going
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Speaker 1: on on Thursday. I had family in towns. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to just wrap your head around the schedule release. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's easy when you just attack one team or even
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Speaker 1: a division. You kind of the Packers and the Bears,
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Speaker 1: or Night or Seattle and the forty nine ers or
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs Denver Chargers, right, But when you're trying to
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Speaker 1: follow the holy is a lot going on, so you
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Speaker 1: kind of just Theur'sday Night Football, on night Football, Monday
2:01
Speaker 1: Night football, some of the big holiday games. Is trying
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Speaker 1: to keep track what's going on at the the Wednesday
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Speaker 1: night game on Thanksgiving Eve, which is obviously an NFL
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Speaker 1: first the Rams and Packers. Again, I feel like I'm
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Speaker 1: reading this wrong. Don't get a bye that's their buye.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what this is? That seems a little crazy,
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Speaker 1: But again, I gotta, I've had so much going on.
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Speaker 1: I gotta it doesn't even seem real. But if it is,
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Speaker 1: that's part of this NFL expansion Thursday Night football has
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Speaker 1: taken a huge step up in the world of sports.
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Speaker 1: It is now appointment viewing. It's now, you know, from
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Speaker 1: a rating standpoint, a massive game. The level of games
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Speaker 1: they're getting are much higher. Amazon is basically a three
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Speaker 1: trillion dollar company and getting more valuable. They clearly enjoy
2:59
Speaker 1: being in business with the NFL, and I think the
3:01
Speaker 1: NFL clearly enjoys being in business with them, because unlike NBC, Fox, CBS,
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Speaker 1: like when you're talking billions upon billions of dollars, they
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Speaker 1: don't have unlimited money. Amazon could buy the entire NFL package,
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Speaker 1: triple it relative to everyone else and not even blink
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Speaker 1: and eye. I love Netflix. It's been a very cool
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Speaker 1: experience being part of this, and hopefully we keep ripping.
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Speaker 1: For example, Netflix is valued under three hundred billion dollars,
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Speaker 1: which is a shitload. They have been a rocket ship
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Speaker 1: and change the game for the way that we consume
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Speaker 1: things on television, our computers, phones, iPads, whatever, read hastings.
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Speaker 1: They were visionaries with the way they pivoted, and it's
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Speaker 1: been incredible. Amazon's three trillion dollar company, like the size
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Speaker 1: between these company and obviously Netflix is getting involved, and
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Speaker 1: I do believe them when they say that they just
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Speaker 1: want the big events, because they're kind of showing that
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Speaker 1: with that dude that climbed fucking Mount everest of a building,
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Speaker 1: Jake Paul beating up me, like the roasts, like they
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Speaker 1: like that, and it clearly works. Like they have a formula,
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Speaker 1: Amazon's formula. You know, they got they they got involved
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Speaker 1: in the NBA. But I would imagine they see the
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Speaker 1: metrics of the NBA and they see the metrics of
4:21
Speaker 1: probably a pregame NFL show. I would imagine they're similar.
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Speaker 1: I would imagine more people are watching when the Thursday
4:29
Speaker 1: night football game ends and they go to Carissa and
4:33
Speaker 1: you know, Kirk Cousins comes on set after winning a
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Speaker 1: game or I don't know why. I just was thinking
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Speaker 1: about him because I watched that Raiders video of step
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Speaker 1: Brothers with him and Fernando, which is pretty funny. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what Al Davis would have thought of it,
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Speaker 1: but I enjoyed it. I bet way more people are
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Speaker 1: watching that than these NBA games. That's not like, this
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Speaker 1: isn't any biased opinion. These are just the facts of
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Speaker 1: the popularity of the league and the amount of people
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Speaker 1: that watch these regular season NFL games. So if your
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Speaker 1: Amazon and it's not gonna cont you that much money.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Bezos bought Whole Foods. I forget what the
5:05
Speaker 1: exact number was he made money that day because the
5:09
Speaker 1: stock ripped. I think he made a lot of money,
5:12
Speaker 1: if memory serves me correct. And hell, it's changed my life.
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Speaker 1: When I need to drop something off, I just go
5:16
Speaker 1: over to the Whole Foods, return my Blu ray glasses
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Speaker 1: or whatever the hell I didn't need that. I bought
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Speaker 1: after a cocktail or two. And I would be stunned
5:27
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule if Sunday Night Football, if Amazon
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Speaker 1: isn't heavily involved, and they are in a position where
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Speaker 1: they have Thursday Night Football and Sunday Night Football. The
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Speaker 1: other package which is clearly coming in the NFL is
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Speaker 1: this morning international package. All the European games UK, France, Germany,
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Speaker 1: those games kick off. I just speak for myself. I
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Speaker 1: don't talk at Eastern times because I'm not an Eastern
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Speaker 1: time zone guy. I know you elite US on the
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Speaker 1: East Coast love that you get the first number nine
5:55
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern. Well it's six thirty Pacific, goddamn it. And
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Speaker 1: I actually over to Mountain Time for half the year.
6:02
Speaker 1: Not quite sure why they do that here in Arizona,
6:04
Speaker 1: but they do, and it kind of is what it is.
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Speaker 1: Don't know if I hate it love it. I'm just
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Speaker 1: kind of indifferent to it. I always love the sleeping day,
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Speaker 1: but once you have a kid, none of that even matters.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a package of six thirty Pacific Standard
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Speaker 1: Time games here here in the next five years, and
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be ten to fifteen games. They kick off
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Speaker 1: at that time, so there will be a morning game,
6:25
Speaker 1: they'll then be the the what used to be the
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Speaker 1: morning games, then they'll be the afternoon games, which depending
6:31
Speaker 1: if you live on the East Coast, the afternoon game
6:33
Speaker 1: actually is a four to thirty so it's more like
6:35
Speaker 1: a dinner game and then like a night game. So
6:36
Speaker 1: it just kind of depends where you live. But you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. And I would imagine they're
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Speaker 1: gonna have multiple packages because this business is too lucrative
6:45
Speaker 1: being involved in football, and they've now had a front
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Speaker 1: row seat and they'll have a couple of years of
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Speaker 1: data between the two sports that they're involved with, and
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Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if they don't double down and Netflix
6:57
Speaker 1: kind of keeps growing on what they're doing. But there
7:01
Speaker 1: I think I saw a headline of their CEO. He
7:03
Speaker 1: was adamant. He's like, we do not plan on trying
7:05
Speaker 1: to bid for an NFL package. We like the events,
7:07
Speaker 1: we like the holidays, we like you know this Australia game.
7:12
Speaker 1: We like throwing in Ronda ROUSI trying to beat up
7:16
Speaker 1: you know, a tiger in h in Central Asia three
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Speaker 1: thirty or you know ten thirty at night. Turn it on.
7:25
Speaker 1: There's Rousy versus a Siberian tiger. You're like, Okay, I'm watching.
7:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I watched the dude climb a
7:34
Speaker 1: building and it was fascinating. Now I might have came
7:37
Speaker 1: in after and fast forward a little got a little
7:39
Speaker 1: boring in the middle. It was incredible accomplishment. Once he
7:42
Speaker 1: got to the top, He's like, is he really gonna
7:43
Speaker 1: make it? And he did, and then he got cocky
7:45
Speaker 1: taking cell phone selfie's on top of the peak. But
7:49
Speaker 1: changing landscape. And I mentioned this to Coward when we
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Speaker 1: recorded earlier today. Oh, it's so much change the apps.
7:59
Speaker 1: When I was a kid in the NI, I did
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Speaker 1: not have cable TV. We didn't get cable TV until
8:03
Speaker 1: we got a big dish on top of my house.
8:05
Speaker 1: When I was probably I don't know, fourteen, fifteen years old.
8:09
Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was a Sunday night football game.
8:12
Speaker 1: One time, my grandma got sick when I in probably
8:15
Speaker 1: like ninety six range ninety seven, so my mom for
8:18
Speaker 1: a year lived over at the house. They actually just
8:21
Speaker 1: kind of lived down the street from us, and I
8:23
Speaker 1: would like ride my bike back and forth because my
8:25
Speaker 1: dad stayed at the other house. Again, it was very far,
8:28
Speaker 1: but I just remember being over there on a Sunday
8:30
Speaker 1: night and joth Th Eisman and Paul McGuire and it's like, wait,
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Speaker 1: there's another game on. So it's like a lot of
8:38
Speaker 1: people didn't have cable back then. Like things change, you adapt,
8:41
Speaker 1: and like people are complaining, I got no problem complaining
8:46
Speaker 1: about Peacock. I just refused to complain about Amazon. I mean,
8:50
Speaker 1: I use Amazon literally every day. For a company, it's
8:54
Speaker 1: kind of crazy for a guy that likes the stock market.
8:56
Speaker 1: I've never invested in Amazon. It always feels like I'm
8:59
Speaker 1: a little late, but then they keep growing, but they
9:02
Speaker 1: are just I don't know, I just I don't know
9:06
Speaker 1: anyone that doesn't have them. So if you want to
9:08
Speaker 1: complain about Peacock, I get it, But I just have
9:11
Speaker 1: a hard time complaining about Amazon Prime. Okay, let's pay
9:14
Speaker 1: out some questions. We're gonna go rapid fire here. Man,
9:18
Speaker 1: you can't say something like you've heard good things about
9:20
Speaker 1: Mendoza from people in the building and not indulge a
9:23
Speaker 1: little more. I'm sure you can't tell everything, but can
9:25
Speaker 1: you tell us something I don't have, like specific X,
9:30
Speaker 1: Y and Z happened. Listen the Raiders, Spy Tech Brady,
9:36
Speaker 1: the billionaire guys. They were at that Mark Davis who's
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Speaker 1: also technically a billionaire that and he's gonna be a
9:43
Speaker 1: lot richer when they when when these guys keep buying
9:46
Speaker 1: in on the team, I actually think they just had
9:48
Speaker 1: a new run. Funny they were all in from that
9:52
Speaker 1: moment in in Miami, and that they've met with Mendoza
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Speaker 1: obviously drafted him now, but like they've spent a lot
10:00
Speaker 1: lot of time around the guy about how smart the
10:02
Speaker 1: guy is. And I think a huge part of football
10:07
Speaker 1: when you don't just have like incredible god given talents, right,
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, like God blessed certain
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Speaker 1: people better than Brett Farv's arm. Mahomes, you know, looked
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Speaker 1: a little bit better a couple of years ago, but
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he's physically still pretty damn good.
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert six two point forty, can run, can throw it,
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Speaker 1: fucking feel long like Rock Purty can't dream of having
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Speaker 1: those talents. Dak Prescott and Jared Goff can't relate to
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's armstrength, and Fernando Mendez like physically gifted. He's
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Speaker 1: not the greatest thing to ever come into the NFL.
10:47
Speaker 1: But off the field, I think they feel they're pretty
10:49
Speaker 1: blown away now. The one thing that's gonna have to
10:52
Speaker 1: happen over the course of the next I would guess
10:55
Speaker 1: they're all on the field this week till they break
10:58
Speaker 1: for summer and then come back for a training camp.
11:00
Speaker 1: There is a guy that spent a lot of time
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Speaker 1: in the shotgun and I think five plays under center
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Speaker 1: in his college career that goes and he's played at
11:08
Speaker 1: two schools, so that I would imagine they are going
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Speaker 1: to be all in on this transition of being under
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Speaker 1: center in this offense. But that's why they brought in
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Speaker 1: cousins I think they like Fernando a lot. Like I
11:20
Speaker 1: remember talking for Spy Tech before he went into the
11:23
Speaker 1: Combine interview when he interviews you know, like all the gms,
11:27
Speaker 1: and I made a joke about something about for you know,
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Speaker 1: another player, and he like didn't even laugh because it
11:32
Speaker 1: was that it was already like Fernando Mindo has been
11:35
Speaker 1: their quarterback for a long time. Colin keeps bringing up
11:38
Speaker 1: the age of the Niners, but he doesn't say anything
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Speaker 1: about Stafford or Kelsey or Jones. The forty nine ers
11:43
Speaker 1: only have six starters over thirty. Is Colin and other
11:46
Speaker 1: NFL media overblowing the Niners or old thing? I wonder
11:49
Speaker 1: if Kyle pissed some people off Kyle, you know Colin
11:53
Speaker 1: Colin's I like Seahawks two. I consider John Schneider a friend.
11:59
Speaker 1: I big fan Mike McDonald. I've met him one time
12:03
Speaker 1: for five minutes. But guy's a fucking ass kicker, I mean,
12:07
Speaker 1: certified badass McVeigh A lot of respect the team they've
12:14
Speaker 1: built the last couple of years. Awesome for Iers beat
12:17
Speaker 1: them both last year like that happened one in Seattle
12:21
Speaker 1: and beat the Rams with Mac Jones. So it's like
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Speaker 1: this is they're gonna be okay, They're gonna be okay.
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Speaker 1: Do they draft a little weird? Yes? Is Kyle too
12:30
Speaker 1: involved in the draft? Yes? Do Probably most people had
12:34
Speaker 1: the Indiana running back as an undrafted free agent. Sure,
12:37
Speaker 1: you win twelve games a year, and you go on
12:39
Speaker 1: the road and you take on Howie Roseman's All Star
12:42
Speaker 1: team and you beat their ass, you know, send them
12:44
Speaker 1: home with a team full of practice squad guys. Then
12:48
Speaker 1: you know it is what it is. Trying to think
12:53
Speaker 1: they got Trent George. Well, part of the problem too, is,
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Speaker 1: uh George come back from an achilles. McCaffrey, just wear
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Speaker 1: and tear. You got Trent's just thirty seven, thirty eight
13:07
Speaker 1: years old. There's Bosa thirty yet, uh fred Fred thirty?
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Speaker 1: Feels like they got some twenty eight to twenty nine
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Speaker 1: thirty who are coming off injuries. Who would even be
13:20
Speaker 1: there other guys over thirty years old. Funny when people
13:23
Speaker 1: talk about old in pro sports, it's like there's four
13:28
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's at forty five. It's like, yeah, the guy's
13:30
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. I'm forty one. I feel fantastic. Honestly,
13:35
Speaker 1: I feel better now than I did in my late
13:39
Speaker 1: twenty I definitely have more energy now on a daily
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Speaker 1: basis than I did in my late twenties early thirties.
13:45
Speaker 1: That's different than you know, playing in the NFL with
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Speaker 1: all these training services, in different games on different days,
13:52
Speaker 1: I feel like it's slowly turning into the NBA. On
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Speaker 1: any given night, you could have no idea if there's
13:58
Speaker 1: a Wednesday game, you have no idea idea to watch
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Speaker 1: multiview when games are on different platforms, and it causes
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Speaker 1: so much confusion, it becomes hard for me as an
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Speaker 1: NBA consumer to make an effort to watch. Changing consumer
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Speaker 1: habits is difficult. And when you add confusion and more
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Speaker 1: money when you have to subscribe to all these services,
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Speaker 1: is this model that is going to burn the NFL
14:20
Speaker 1: in the long run? What if Amazon just bought the
14:23
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's like, if you're an Amazon Prime member,
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Speaker 1: every NFL game's on there Thursday nights, Sundays, Monday nights.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't do that, But would people complain then? Like
14:37
Speaker 1: I subscribe to everything now, part of it is is
14:40
Speaker 1: my job. I mean I got ESPN Plus to watch golf,
14:43
Speaker 1: I got Peacock to watch Bravo for Maria, we got
14:49
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus to watch Taylor Sheridan seven hundred shows. I mean,
14:55
Speaker 1: there's not an app that I don't have. She bought
14:57
Speaker 1: an app recently because she wanted to watch the something
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Speaker 1: like Stars. It's like what I remember watching Stars that
15:04
Speaker 1: the Power, and then I started watching another show on
15:06
Speaker 1: I'm my act decent buy. But I've never been like
15:13
Speaker 1: I love. I'm a consumer and specifically like videos and
15:19
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to entertainment. So when I look
15:22
Speaker 1: at the NFL, the difference between the NFL and the
15:24
Speaker 1: NBA is NBA play it all the time. Same thing
15:27
Speaker 1: with baseball. So like I was always used to espntn
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Speaker 1: T was where their games were at. Then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden they went, which I understand why they did,
15:36
Speaker 1: because they doubled or tripled their the deal. They're impossible
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Speaker 1: to find now during the season. It's like Peacock Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and unless you're a die hard, which clearly based on
15:47
Speaker 1: the numbers, that number is diminished greatly. But if you're
15:50
Speaker 1: just like I'm a Knicks fan or I'm a Lakers fan,
15:53
Speaker 1: it is harder to find your team. We're in football,
15:57
Speaker 1: there is a build up to the game, so when
15:59
Speaker 1: everyone moaned a couple of years ago when Mahomes took
16:02
Speaker 1: on Tua in the game. There was like negative twenty
16:05
Speaker 1: degrees and the Dolphins had like ten yards and Mike,
16:09
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel looked just freezing cold. He looked like a human.
16:12
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not talking shit. I would be even worse.
16:16
Speaker 1: There is the amount like hell to me is not
16:23
Speaker 1: super hot. That's hell, that version of standing in freezing cold.
16:29
Speaker 1: I hate the cold with a just I mean, I
16:35
Speaker 1: despise it, and I understand why they were freezing cold.
16:39
Speaker 1: But remember when that game was on Peacock. The NFL
16:41
Speaker 1: is putting a playoff game on Peacock. Yeah, we talked
16:45
Speaker 1: about it for a week and every single person knew
16:47
Speaker 1: when like thirteen million people watched, maybe it was twenty
16:49
Speaker 1: million people. That's not how the NBA works. Like you
16:51
Speaker 1: play today, you play the next day, just kind of
16:53
Speaker 1: keep playing. And that's where I think it's confusing. In
16:56
Speaker 1: the other sports, it's less confusing. Like everyone knows Thursday
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Speaker 1: and football is on Amazon, we're gonna talk about that
17:02
Speaker 1: Wednesday pre Thanksgiving game, which you know, if you wanted
17:06
Speaker 1: to argue that it's a little much, you could argue
17:08
Speaker 1: that's a little much like could we just do a
17:11
Speaker 1: night just hanging? But you're like giving me packers rams?
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Speaker 1: What at supposed to do? Not watch? Even if I
17:16
Speaker 1: didn't do this for a living. You think I'm not
17:17
Speaker 1: gonna watch? Think you're not gonna watch. It's like, well,
17:20
Speaker 1: what do you do? You're not at home on Wednesday night?
17:23
Speaker 1: Or are you twenty years old and going back to
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Speaker 1: like your hometown going out once? As you get older,
17:27
Speaker 1: everyone's at home or with family at another home, you'll
17:32
Speaker 1: be watching the game. My wife and I were playing
17:36
Speaker 1: a long weekend in Tahoe without the kids, a little rekindle.
17:40
Speaker 1: We're probably just interested in relaxing. But golf, outdoor stuff
17:43
Speaker 1: all looks great too. How would you fill up your days?
17:46
Speaker 1: What cities would you go? Walk with? And some restaurant views.
17:50
Speaker 1: I tell you you're not from California or not from
17:53
Speaker 1: northern California, so you've never been in Tahoe before. Tahoe
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Speaker 1: is You're not going to park City. You know you're
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Speaker 1: not going to Whistler. It is a sleepy lake town
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Speaker 1: now depending on where you're staying. I grew up going
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Speaker 1: to South Lake where the casinos are and where the
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Speaker 1: golf tournament is, as would there is. You know, in
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Speaker 1: the summer, you can take a gondola up at Heavenly
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Speaker 1: Famous Ski Resort. The casinos are there, there's some nice
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Speaker 1: restaurants in there, but like it's kind of you just
18:24
Speaker 1: hang out of the lake. You just look at the
18:26
Speaker 1: people go there to get away from doing stuff. In
18:29
Speaker 1: terms of like the restaurants for the most part are
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Speaker 1: not great. So I I South Lake has some restaurants
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Speaker 1: and casinos if you wanted to take her to a
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Speaker 1: nice if if that's where you're staying. The Lisa Vanderpump restaurant.
18:45
Speaker 1: We went there a couple of years ago and we
18:48
Speaker 1: stay on the other side of the lake now, just
18:50
Speaker 1: because she wanted to go very badly, and I was like, okay,
18:53
Speaker 1: I mean we drove like an hour across the lake.
18:56
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty good. Not gonna lie. It was
18:58
Speaker 1: make a reservation quick. And now if you're staying on
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Speaker 1: the other side of the lake, you're asked to be
19:03
Speaker 1: hiking and stuff like, I don't go to Toddoe a hike.
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Speaker 1: I sit in the water, drink beers, hang out, maybe
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Speaker 1: play a little golf. Edgewood's really expensive, probably gosh, you
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Speaker 1: like five six hundred bucks. On the other side, Inclined
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Speaker 1: Village has like a resort course a couple hundred bucks.
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Speaker 1: It's not bad. Actually, there's a walk there. Inclined Village
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Speaker 1: is on the Nevada side, on the north side of
19:28
Speaker 1: the lake. You can kind of park and take a
19:31
Speaker 1: long walk across the water or not like like kind
19:34
Speaker 1: of parallels the water. It's a cool walks. That's about
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Love your show. There's absolutely
22:30
Speaker 1: no chance Minnesota is a five or six win team.
22:33
Speaker 1: I've watched this team for twenty five years. They've only
22:35
Speaker 1: had five season with six wins in below in the
22:38
Speaker 1: last twenty five years. The division is harder and the
22:41
Speaker 1: roster has gotten sneaky better. Kyler will do the job.
22:45
Speaker 1: If they don't get eight wins, I will send you
22:48
Speaker 1: a golf hobby box of trading cards. I don't know
22:52
Speaker 1: what the fuck that is. I'm just down on him.
22:57
Speaker 1: I will not act like you guys are some You
23:00
Speaker 1: are a well run organization despite you don't have a GM.
23:02
Speaker 1: Now a little weird like that. That's a little bizarre.
23:06
Speaker 1: You just fire the GM. I had a buddy in
23:09
Speaker 1: the league text me be like, have you heard how
23:11
Speaker 1: weird this search is going. I'm like, no, queue me in.
23:14
Speaker 1: He must have been busy or whatever, because I didn't
23:16
Speaker 1: hear back. But it's a little bizarre. Now. At the
23:20
Speaker 1: end of the day, Kevin and Flores at their two
23:23
Speaker 1: respective jobs are excellent. So you have a good head coach,
23:27
Speaker 1: excellent play caller on offense and defense in two guys.
23:32
Speaker 1: But your quarterback situation right now is a five to
23:34
Speaker 1: nine guy who's been hurt a million times and can't
23:36
Speaker 1: see over the line. I scrambled around and sling it
23:38
Speaker 1: and we'll see if that works. JJ McCarthy, who by
23:41
Speaker 1: all accounts so far is stunk, and Carson Wentz, who
23:45
Speaker 1: respect the shit out of him last year. I mean
23:48
Speaker 1: couldn't walk by like Thanksgiving because he was getting killed
23:53
Speaker 1: and they gave him a couple of million dollars because
23:54
Speaker 1: they needed insurance. So I don't know, man, a lot
23:59
Speaker 1: of moving parts. We'll see. I'm with you. I don't
24:04
Speaker 1: think you're gonna suck. Maybe I'm being a little five wins,
24:09
Speaker 1: seven and ten to meets on the table. I'd be
24:12
Speaker 1: stunned if they're good, I really would. I'm just betting
24:14
Speaker 1: against the quarterback situation. Coaches good quarterback situations. Not Wednesday's pod,
24:19
Speaker 1: you talk why Seattle would be selling. You talked why
24:23
Speaker 1: the Seahawks would be selling when it's a cash count.
24:26
Speaker 1: In short, Jody Allen had no choice. Paul An left
24:29
Speaker 1: the ownership in a trust, shielding Jody Allen from taxes
24:33
Speaker 1: so more money could go to charity. The NFL has
24:36
Speaker 1: since set a single identifiable person must own the team.
24:42
Speaker 1: It's funny, as I was talking about this and I
24:44
Speaker 1: talked to someone that kind of said the same thing.
24:47
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't realize all the details. Why I
24:53
Speaker 1: haven't fallen. I have seen Jody talk. I wonder if
24:55
Speaker 1: Jody if given the opportunity, because I mean, even if
24:59
Speaker 1: it doesn't sell for ten, it's self sell for eight
25:01
Speaker 1: or nine, or you know it doesn't sell for twelve,
25:03
Speaker 1: it'll sell for nine to four. Would she like to
25:07
Speaker 1: keep the team if it wasn't in this trust? And
25:09
Speaker 1: then because I guess someone told me they were supposed
25:11
Speaker 1: to sell it a year ago, but the league gave
25:13
Speaker 1: him a little grace period. Then they won the fuck
25:15
Speaker 1: at Super Bowl. So I'm all for shielding for taxes.
25:21
Speaker 1: But I say this all the time. If you had
25:24
Speaker 1: a ten billion dollar asset as an NFL team, you
25:28
Speaker 1: live the exact same life, living through the team, private jet,
25:34
Speaker 1: biggest house, you want, houses, wherever you want, income, whatever
25:38
Speaker 1: you want that number to be, as the same thing
25:41
Speaker 1: as when you sell the team and get billions of
25:43
Speaker 1: dollars your life will change zero, except you are no
25:47
Speaker 1: longer a team owner. So I don't see why anyone
25:51
Speaker 1: would ever want to sell one of these NFL teams.
25:53
Speaker 1: Right now, all I've been hearing is last year's draft
25:57
Speaker 1: wasn't that good because of nil, same with the year before.
26:00
Speaker 1: They're also saying that nil will make all drafts not
26:03
Speaker 1: as good as before. But won't it catch up as
26:06
Speaker 1: the drafts start getting good again, because eventually the players
26:09
Speaker 1: will come out from what I've been told by coaches
26:14
Speaker 1: that are in the recruiting circle, and everyone's talking right now,
26:18
Speaker 1: I do think there is gonna be some sort of
26:20
Speaker 1: agreement or cap on money coaches and players because they've
26:26
Speaker 1: gone from ten to fifteen million fifty million overnight. Now
26:30
Speaker 1: I'm a marketplace. Let the market decide, but it doesn't really.
26:37
Speaker 1: Here's the weird thing, right, Like, if I'm Matt Stafford
26:41
Speaker 1: or Patrick Mahomes, the team pays me whatever they pay
26:45
Speaker 1: me forty million fifty million, right, or any player ten million,
26:49
Speaker 1: five million, twenty million. If I have a deal with
26:53
Speaker 1: Apple or Stanley or Reef, Sandals or whoever, they have
26:58
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. Not in charge of getting
27:01
Speaker 1: me those deals, right, My agent, my marketing people are
27:05
Speaker 1: And that's where you know, in college it was like nil. Listen,
27:09
Speaker 1: the smartest thing Dan said the last couple of years,
27:11
Speaker 1: Like nil. He's like, I've been watching TV for the
27:14
Speaker 1: last couple of years. The only guys I've seen on
27:16
Speaker 1: TV and ADS were Travis and Shador. No one else
27:20
Speaker 1: got any nil. It's all just pay to play. College
27:24
Speaker 1: sports are about to crumble, not football, not basketball, but
27:30
Speaker 1: all the other sports because they financially make no sense.
27:33
Speaker 1: So unless you have people willing, like I think golf
27:36
Speaker 1: could survive because people will fund the programs. I think
27:40
Speaker 1: maybe tennis could, you know, some of the higher income
27:43
Speaker 1: level sports because individuals could could like financially support them.
27:49
Speaker 1: But like I would guess men's and women's soccers die
27:52
Speaker 1: here pretty quickly. I would guess volleyball, dice, swimming, dice,
27:57
Speaker 1: water polo dies because those only exist because the football
28:02
Speaker 1: program pays form. So does golf and tennis. I'm just saying, like,
28:06
Speaker 1: who's financing the water pole team? Who's financing baseball? In
28:11
Speaker 1: some of these conferences, like it gets cut, like no
28:14
Speaker 1: one would care. Now, they would care in the SEC.
28:16
Speaker 1: They would care at like the Arizona schools, you know,
28:21
Speaker 1: Big ten kinda, the Big twelve would care a lot, right,
28:24
Speaker 1: Texas Tech some of those type programs, But the ACC cares.
28:32
Speaker 1: I just think it's not a normal business. It's entirely
28:35
Speaker 1: like the WNBA. In any real world business, setup would
28:41
Speaker 1: have died twenty years ago. It was not only a loser,
28:45
Speaker 1: it was headed nowhere. It got worse every year. Then
28:48
Speaker 1: finally twenty seven eight. However, many years later, it finally
28:52
Speaker 1: turns a profit. The majority of entities that are being
28:57
Speaker 1: subsidized by a bigger entity don't have the runway to
29:01
Speaker 1: make it twenty five thirty years. So even if I
29:05
Speaker 1: give you a long runway of making no money five ten,
29:09
Speaker 1: fifteen years, something happens. But look at live golf, the
29:13
Speaker 1: sadis who have trillions of dollars like year five, like
29:17
Speaker 1: we're done, We're out. So I don't know. Can you
29:27
Speaker 1: explain why drafting a twenty five year old is seen
29:29
Speaker 1: as a red flag, especially when most players don't make
29:32
Speaker 1: it to their second contract. Anyway, I think it was
29:35
Speaker 1: always judged on the younger players. So typically in a draft,
29:40
Speaker 1: a lot of guys were twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
29:43
Speaker 1: Like twenty three kind of fell old because you could
29:45
Speaker 1: draft a lot of twenty one and twenty two year olds. Right.
29:48
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, I think came out when he was twenty
29:50
Speaker 1: years old. Do you remember Juju Smith was like a
29:53
Speaker 1: rookie like nineteen, Like how's this even possible? So you
29:57
Speaker 1: start saying like, hey, their body can develop, their sea
30:00
Speaker 1: as a player, they're fundamental, like they can improve greatly.
30:04
Speaker 1: The knock has always been how much can a guy
30:06
Speaker 1: improve at twenty five. But I'm kind of with you,
30:08
Speaker 1: Like if you look around and you're like the third round,
30:12
Speaker 1: like he's twenty five, if the guy gives us three
30:15
Speaker 1: good years, it's gonna be viewed as a good pick.
30:18
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit? How could anyone be worried after
30:22
Speaker 1: I totally understand the argument in the first round, Like,
30:26
Speaker 1: do I love taking a twenty five year old a
30:28
Speaker 1: like pick twelve? I do not. I would say Messador
30:31
Speaker 1: is somewhat of an outlier. But I was with the
30:35
Speaker 1: Eagles when we took Danny Watkins who was like thirty
30:37
Speaker 1: years old, firefighter. How that work out? So I ideally
30:40
Speaker 1: you take Rvel Reese, Sonny Styles, Jeremiah up these young
30:44
Speaker 1: guys that what if I told you that Sonny Styles
30:49
Speaker 1: and what if I just told you Jeremiah loves best
30:52
Speaker 1: football's ahead of them? Right? What if I told you
30:56
Speaker 1: that the Fernando Mendoz is best footballs ahead of them? Like,
31:00
Speaker 1: that's part of taking a younger twenty one to twenty
31:02
Speaker 1: two year old guy that by the time he's twenty six,
31:05
Speaker 1: twenty seven, he's been then in the NFL for four
31:07
Speaker 1: or five years and he's in this quote unquote athletic prime.
31:10
Speaker 1: I think part of its is athletic prime comes on
31:12
Speaker 1: a faster how much improvement can he make? But in
31:18
Speaker 1: a given draft, you could say that that mindset was
31:21
Speaker 1: a little overrated in this draft. But if next year
31:25
Speaker 1: there's a draft full of twenty and twenty one year olds,
31:27
Speaker 1: I'd rather have those guys if they all have the
31:29
Speaker 1: same tape than the twenty five year old. It's always
31:33
Speaker 1: been the thing with BYU, like physically their advantage. They
31:36
Speaker 1: get guys going on missions and coming back. You're playing
31:38
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old and I'm rolling out a
31:40
Speaker 1: nineteen year old red shirt freshman right tackle. I'm going
31:43
Speaker 1: up against their defensive end and he's twenty six years old.
31:46
Speaker 1: He's got three kids, been to Indonesia saving lives. My
31:52
Speaker 1: guy's just trying to, you know, contained to hold off
31:57
Speaker 1: the backside of the outside zone. Question for the back
32:01
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams developed this confident attitude last year. He made
32:04
Speaker 1: the comment when asked if a throw was ill advised,
32:07
Speaker 1: and he said, nah, I can make any throw. How
32:10
Speaker 1: much of this has he always had? And how much
32:13
Speaker 1: do you credit Ben Johnson? Well, if you watch Caleb
32:17
Speaker 1: going back to like high school highlights. He was like,
32:22
Speaker 1: he's been a pretty hype dude for a long time.
32:25
Speaker 1: I remember being on the couch watching the game against Kansas.
32:29
Speaker 1: Is that the game he got benched. It's definitely the
32:31
Speaker 1: game where Caleb ripped the ball out of the guy's
32:33
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32:36
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32:39
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler got benched. Might have been the game before, Yeah,
32:43
Speaker 1: I think it was that game because they were gonna
32:44
Speaker 1: lose to Kansas. Oklahoma was it was not looking good.
32:48
Speaker 1: But if you watched it at usc like he's he
32:51
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32:54
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32:58
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33:01
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33:04
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33:09
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33:13
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33:19
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33:22
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33:26
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33:33
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33:38
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33:41
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33:44
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36:19
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Speaker 1: and bills going to NBC? Probably pissed off. I mean
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36:55
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37:03
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37:10
Speaker 1: a lot of crap right now from people just saying
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Speaker 1: they're too greedy, and I think that's always a tough
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37:34
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38:00
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38:03
Speaker 1: or it turns out sometimes it's true and it's like
38:05
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, they're just going for every penny. Well, it's
38:08
Speaker 1: like it might not last like this forever. I had
38:13
Speaker 1: a very very close person that's very successful. Tell me
38:17
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38:20
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38:24
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38:28
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38:31
Speaker 1: They usually ask for a back when it's raining, and
38:34
Speaker 1: I like, I understand. Roger's a controversial figure over the
38:38
Speaker 1: years and a lot of the media just despises the
38:42
Speaker 1: private sector and the successful people that work in those places.
38:46
Speaker 1: And obviously the NFL is you know, King Kong when
38:50
Speaker 1: it comes to sports right now in America. But like,
38:53
Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do? Like just not ask
38:56
Speaker 1: for way more, not not be aggressive, not look at
39:00
Speaker 1: things because it was it was pretty simple. You know,
39:05
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39:07
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39:14
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39:17
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39:21
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39:26
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39:41
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39:45
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39:51
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39:53
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39:55
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