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How the Karen Read Effect Is Shaping the Lindsay Clancy Trial (Part 2) (9/3/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off talking about the Karen Reid effect. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I have so much contempt for people who helped normalize
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  Speaker 1: this shit. They didn't merely have opinions about Karen Reid.
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  Speaker 1: Millions of people have opinions about criminal cases and managed
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  Speaker 1: to avoid building personality cults around defendants or lynch mobs
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  Speaker 1: around witnesses. And the architects of the circus are demonstrated
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  Speaker 1: that aggressive public narrative warfare could create attention, influence discourse,
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  Speaker 1: build celebrity, generate money, and provide participants with the intoxicating
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  Speaker 1: sensation of belonging to something bigger than themselves. Other cases
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  Speaker 1: were always going to attract imitators once that formula proved successful.
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  Speaker 1: Human beings copy what receives rewards. If belligerence earns followers,
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  Speaker 1: belligerence multiplies. If humiliating witnesses earns applause, Humiliation becomes programming.
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  Speaker 1: If treating a murder prosecution like professional wrestling produces enormous engagement,
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  Speaker 1: eventually every courthouse gets its own fucking Wrestlemania. And now,
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  Speaker 1: we have to live with the consequences. Every major case
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  Speaker 1: attracts armies of people who seem to arrive carrying conclusions
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  Speaker 1: before they have finished learning the names involved. Somebody becomes
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  Speaker 1: the new Karen Reid. Somebody becomes the new corrupt cop.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody becomes becomes the new persecuted outsider, and somebody becomes
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  Speaker 1: the villain required to make the mythology function. The specifics
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  Speaker 1: barely matter because the template has already been written. People
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  Speaker 1: simply change the names and keep the script. Evidence gets
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  Speaker 1: filtered through archetypes rather than analyzed on its own terms.
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  Speaker 1: A defendant cannot simply be a defendant because they must
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  Speaker 1: become either an innocent martyr or an irredeemable monster. Police
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  Speaker 1: cannot simply make an error because they must either be
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  Speaker 1: flawless heroes or members of a gigantic criminal conspiracy. The
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  Speaker 1: adult possibility that complicated cases involve messy evidence, imperfect institutions,
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  Speaker 1: flawed witnesses, legitimate uncertainty, and no cinematic explanation is treated
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  Speaker 1: like an insult. And this is where my experience covering
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  Speaker 1: Epstein has made me particularly intolerant of the bullshit. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen what general institutional protection can look like, without needing
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  Speaker 1: to invent a secret handshake behind every closed door. I've
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  Speaker 1: read enough litigation, testimony, investigative material, government findings, depositions, and
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  Speaker 1: correspondence to know the reality can be more disturbing than
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy fiction precisely because the documented failures are real. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: didn't require people to manufacture institutional deference out of thin
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  Speaker 1: air because extraordinary deference was embedded throughout parts of the
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  Speaker 1: historical record. That should teach people to respect documentation, not
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  Speaker 1: abandon it. It should teach us that powerful institutions deserve
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  Speaker 1: relentless scrutiny while simultaneously reminding us that proximity alone is
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  Speaker 1: not guilt and suspicion is not proof. It should make
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  Speaker 1: our investigative muscles stronger rather than turning our brains into
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  Speaker 1: fucking pudding. Instead, a generation of true crime fandom seems
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  Speaker 1: to have learned the opposite lesson. And they learn that
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  Speaker 1: because institutions sometimes lie whatever they personally believe must therefore
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  Speaker 1: be true. That logical collapse is catastrophic. Governments lie. Police
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  Speaker 1: officers make mistakes. Prosecutors exercise terrible judgment. Witnesses misremember things.
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  Speaker 1: Experts disagree. Defense attorneys construct narratives. Journalists get stories wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and crowds can be spectacularly fucking stupid. All of those
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  Speaker 1: statements can be true simultaneously. There's no rule requiring one
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  Speaker 1: institution to possess a monopoly on error. Yet team sports
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  Speaker 1: justice demands binary thinking. Because binary thinking makes cheering easier.
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  Speaker 1: Either you trust law enforcement completely, or you believe every
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  Speaker 1: allegation of corruption. Either you support a defendant absolutely, or
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  Speaker 1: you have joined the prosecution. Either a witness is flawless,
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  Speaker 1: or everything the witness has ever said becomes worthless. Serious
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  Speaker 1: analysis lives in the uncomfortable territory between those poles. Which
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  Speaker 1: is exactly why serious analysis performs so poorly in an
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  Speaker 1: ecosystem addicted to rage. And look, the victims suffer most
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  Speaker 1: when this garbage takes over. Their deaths become branding opportunities
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  Speaker 1: for people who never knew them. Their photographs become visual assets.
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  Speaker 1: Their last moments become recurring content. And their families sometimes
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  Speaker 1: find themselves competing with internet celebrities and for ownership of
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  Speaker 1: the narrative surrounding their own fucking tragedy. Think about how
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  Speaker 1: disgusting that is for longer than five seconds. Somebody dies
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  Speaker 1: and a complete stranger begins building personal identities around theories
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  Speaker 1: about how it happened. Alliances form, enemies are selected, merchandise appears,
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  Speaker 1: live streams stretch for hours, and followers reward increasingly theatrical
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  Speaker 1: performances of outrage. Somewhere beneath all that noise is a
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  Speaker 1: dead person whose existence has been flattened into a plot device.
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  Speaker 1: Any movement claiming to care about justice while losing sight
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  Speaker 1: of that humanity has already failed whatever moral test it
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  Speaker 1: claims to be administering. And that principle is guided how
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  Speaker 1: I think about Epstein survivors as well. Their suffering cannot
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  Speaker 1: simply become ammunition used to attack whichever politician, banker, celebrity, royal, prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: or institution somebody already hated beforehand. Their experiences matter independently
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  Speaker 1: of our ideological appetites. Their allegations deserve to be examined
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  Speaker 1: carefully because seriousness requires both listening to survivors and respecting
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  Speaker 1: what evidence can actually establish. Turning survivors into props is
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  Speaker 1: exploitation even when the person doing it insists they're advocating
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  Speaker 1: on the survivor's behalf. Now, the same principle belongs in
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  Speaker 1: every criminal case. John O'Keefe was not a prop in
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  Speaker 1: somebody's crusade against police corruption. Any more than a defendant
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  Speaker 1: should be reduced to a mascot for people who desperately
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  Speaker 1: want to believe the entire system is rigged. Human beings
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  Speaker 1: deserve more than being drafted onto teams after tragedy destroys
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  Speaker 1: their lives. And apparently that statement has become radical to
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  Speaker 1: in the carnival atmosphere we now call true crime discourse.
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  Speaker 1: And what makes the whole entire thing more disgusting is
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  Speaker 1: the smugness. People who swallowed extraordinary claims with astonishingly little
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  Speaker 1: skepticism strutted around as if they had personally broken Watergate.
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  Speaker 1: Social media detectives with no access to complete investigative records
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  Speaker 1: appointed themselves superior to every attorney, investigator, scientist, judge, and
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  Speaker 1: journalist who dared complicate their conclusions. They learned a few
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  Speaker 1: pieces of legal terminology and suddenly spoke with the confidence
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  Speaker 1: of Supreme Court justices. They watched clip testimony and denounced...
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  Speaker 1: what witnesses were thinking. They studied body language as if
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  Speaker 1: shoulder movements were admissible forensic evidence. They mapped friendships and
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  Speaker 1: acquaintances until knowing somebody became indistinguishable from conspiring with them.
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  Speaker 1: Then they accused everybody else of being cheap. Nothing quite
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  Speaker 1: captures the stupidity of modern conspiracy culture like thousands of
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  Speaker 1: people repeating identical internet talking points while proudly announcing that
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  Speaker 1: they think for themselves. So look, I'm done granting the behavior,
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  Speaker 1: the polite description, of passionate advocacy. Passion does not excuse
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  Speaker 1: intellectual dishonesty. Anger does not magically convert speculation into evidence.
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  Speaker 1: A large crowd does not transform an unsupported claim into
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  Speaker 1: a supported one. 10,000 people chanting the same thing are
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  Speaker 1: capable of being just as wrong as one person whispering it.
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  Speaker 1: Popularity has never been a burden of proof. Social media
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  Speaker 1: engagement isn't corroboration. A trending hashtag cannot survive cross-examination. And
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  Speaker 1: a courthouse surrounded by people demanding a particular outcome should
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  Speaker 1: make anybody who genuinely values an independent justice system profoundly uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of whether that crowd happens to support the outcome
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  Speaker 1: you personally prefer. And look, the reason that I'm angry
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  Speaker 1: about this beyond Karen Reid herself, because this was never
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  Speaker 1: going to stay contained, inside one courthouse or one Massachusetts town.
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  Speaker 1: The precedent was cultural rather than legal, and cultural precedent
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  Speaker 1: traveled faster than appellate decisions. The message was unmistakable. Build
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  Speaker 1: the movement early, control the emotional narrative, identify enemies, punish dissent,
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  Speaker 1: drown uncertainty and repetition, and force everybody covering the case
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  Speaker 1: to respond to your framing. Do that effectively enough, and
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  Speaker 1: the movement itself becomes part of the story. Journalists start
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  Speaker 1: reporting on the crowd. Lawyers start discussing the publicity. Judges
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  Speaker 1: confront questions about juror exposure. And witnesses understand that their
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  Speaker 1: testimony may unleash thousands of strangers upon their lives. Even
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  Speaker 1: when nobody can prove that a specific juror changed the
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  Speaker 1: vote because of public pressure, the environment surrounding the trial
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  Speaker 1: has already been contaminated by the spectacle. Justice should not
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  Speaker 1: have to compete with a fucking marketing campaign. Yet that's
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  Speaker 1: increasingly where we are Because too many people celebrated the
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  Speaker 1: prototype instead of recognizing the danger. And look, the solution
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  Speaker 1: is not blind faith in prosecutors, police departments, judges, or
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  Speaker 1: government institutions. Because anyone familiar with my Epstein work knows
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  Speaker 1: I would never preach something that absurd. Scrutinize every fucking
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  Speaker 1: one of them. Demand documents. Compare statements. Inspect timelines. Question
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  Speaker 1: forensic claims. Expose conflicts. Challenge convenience. explanations and make powerful
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  Speaker 1: people answer uncomfortable questions but apply that same brutality to
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  Speaker 1: your own theory ask what would prove you wrong identify
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  Speaker 1: where you're speculating separate a suspicious circumstance from evidence of
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  Speaker 1: a crime stop treating uncertainty as humiliation and corrections as
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  Speaker 1: betrayal If your argument cannot survive those requirements, it's not
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  Speaker 1: an investigation worth defending, no matter how many people are
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  Speaker 1: standing outside the courthouse chanting along with you. Because eventually
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  Speaker 1: this culture will attach itself to a case where the
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  Speaker 1: consequences become impossible to ignore. Maybe an innocent person will
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  Speaker 1: be destroyed because a sufficiently charismatic online mob decides guilt
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  Speaker 1: before trial. Maybe a guilty person will become a folk
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  Speaker 1: hero Because influencers discover an alternative narrative capable of generating
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  Speaker 1: millions of views. Maybe witnesses will refuse to cooperate because
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  Speaker 1: they watch what internet mobs do to anybody who gives
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  Speaker 1: inconvenient testimony. Maybe jurors will walk into court carrying impressions
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  Speaker 1: formed by months of supposedly unavoidable content despite every effort
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  Speaker 1: at screening. Maybe grieving families will discover that strangers have
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  Speaker 1: commandeered their loss and transformed it into a franchise. None
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  Speaker 1: of those possibilities should be remotely acceptable to people who
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  Speaker 1: claim to care about justice. Yet every fucking incentive in
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  Speaker 1: the current ecosystem pushes us closer to them. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have contempt for the people who built and fed
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  Speaker 1: the Karen Reid circus. And I'm no longer interested in
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  Speaker 1: sanding down that contempt to make the criticism easier to swallow.
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  Speaker 1: I have contempt for the harassment masquerading as investigation. The
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  Speaker 1: certainty masquerading as intelligence. The fandom. masquerading as advocacy, and
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  Speaker 1: the performance masquerading as journalism. I have contempt for people
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  Speaker 1: who demand impossible standards of proof from everyone except themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I have contempt for people who turn tragedy into recreation
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  Speaker 1: and then congratulated themselves for caring more than anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: After years spent looking into Epstein, I know exactly why
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  Speaker 1: powerful institutions should never receive automatic trust. But I also
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  Speaker 1: know why evidence is must remain the fucking currency of
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  Speaker 1: any serious accusation. The Karen Reid phenomenon did not teach
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  Speaker 1: America to question authority because Americans have been questioning authority
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  Speaker 1: since the country began. What it helped perfect was something
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  Speaker 1: far uglier. The weaponization of public certainty before factual certainty
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  Speaker 1: has been earned. It showed people how easily a courtroom
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  Speaker 1: could be surrounded by a parallel universe where popularity functions
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  Speaker 1: as proof and belonging matters more than truth. If that
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  Speaker 1: blueprint continues spreading from case to case, we're not democratizing justice.
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  Speaker 1: We're reducing it to another spectator sport governed by algorithms, personalities, money,
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  Speaker 1: and whichever mob can scream the loudest. And when the
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  Speaker 1: day comes that this machinery chews up somebody you believe
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  Speaker 1: is innocent, destroys somebody you know is truthful, or turns
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  Speaker 1: the death of somebody you love into somebody else's fucking
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  Speaker 1: content franchise, remember exactly where the cheering started. All the
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