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Tough weekend in Cleveland · Birdland Territory

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's happened before. Tough series in Cleveland for the Orioles.
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Speaker 1: When we said that before a lot unfortunately, and it
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Speaker 1: certainly was true this weekend, Welcome in everybody to Birdland Territory,
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Speaker 1: our latest edition with Steve Mleski, Brad Brock, the former
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Speaker 1: Rose All Star pitcher, and Tim barberlace from one of
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Speaker 1: five to seven the fan guys. That was frustrating for Birdland,
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Speaker 1: no doubt, the Orioles not scoring in thirty one of
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Speaker 1: thirty six innings in four days. They bunch runs in
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Speaker 1: a couple innings, but not nearly enough. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: is your take on the offensive struggles in Cleveland? And
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Speaker 1: having said that Cleveland's kind a pretty good pitching staff,
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Speaker 1: we can't forget that, but it still gets frustrating for
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Speaker 1: the Orioles to see this offense and the Oriols and
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Speaker 1: their fans to see this offense scuffling.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think it's, you know, talking with Steve before the
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Speaker 3: show here, it's Cleveland's one of those places they have
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Speaker 3: great pitching, great defense. We've talked about it before the series,
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Speaker 3: and it played out pretty much how we.
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Speaker 4: Thought it might go. It's just a tough place.
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Speaker 3: To get things going, and when you play in Cleveland especially,
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Speaker 3: it always felt like you needed to get the lead
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Speaker 3: because you knew what was going to come behind it
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Speaker 3: with a good starting pitching followed by a phenomenal bullpen
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Speaker 3: there So being the away team, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: it's putting more pressure on yourself to get stuff going
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Speaker 3: early or whatever the case may be, but it kind
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Speaker 3: of just played out how we thought it might go. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: the Oils, you know, close there in a couple of
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Speaker 3: the games, but besides that, it just kind of seemed
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Speaker 3: like an offensive struggle the entire weekend.
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Speaker 5: I think, unfortunately, Brad, that's just been a theme with
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Speaker 5: this team this year. When I was diving into the
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Speaker 5: numbers prior to the game today, the Orioles offense in
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Speaker 5: the first three innings, they just have struggled to get
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Speaker 5: any type of production out of their lineup. They've only
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Speaker 5: scored seventeen runs in the first three innings this year.
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Speaker 5: In games this year, only the Blue Jays have scored less.
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Speaker 5: They entered today with seventy three strikeouts in the first
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Speaker 5: three innings, third most in baseball the one to eighty
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Speaker 5: one batting average. That's the only the Reds have a
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Speaker 5: worse batting average than the Orioles in the first three innings,
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Speaker 5: but conversely, they're among the best offenses in baseball in
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Speaker 5: the final three innings. And we saw a miraculous comeback
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Speaker 5: Friday night that was fantastic at Jeremiah Jackson playing the
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Speaker 5: role of hero again. But the issue is it's tough
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Speaker 5: to do that with a lot of regularity. The Orioles
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Speaker 5: already have six come from behind wins this season, which
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Speaker 5: is tied for six month most in baseball. But to
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Speaker 5: expect that day in and day out, that's just really
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Speaker 5: tough to do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it puts a lot of pressure.
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Speaker 3: You know, when you when you can't get anything going early,
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Speaker 3: you're just really pressing late in the game. Here and
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Speaker 3: nowadays talk about you know, the team having a lot
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Speaker 3: of fight. You love seeing them scoring runs lane games,
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Speaker 3: but you want to see him adding on runs at
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Speaker 3: the end to give him more of a lead as
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Speaker 3: opposed to having to come from behind every single time,
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Speaker 3: which has been the case here for at least the
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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks and if not the whole season.
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Speaker 3: So you love seeing the fight from the team, but
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Speaker 3: it would just be great to see them get a
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Speaker 3: lead and let this bullpen go to work, because I
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Speaker 3: really think it's gonna be one of their biggest strengths
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Speaker 3: they have on this entire team.
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Speaker 1: So those fans are asking what's it going to take
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Speaker 1: for this offense, And I think if the Oriols knew that,
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Speaker 1: they would have fixed it by now. So that's the
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Speaker 1: curse of it. Here thirteen guys on the IL. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they're banged up. I mean they're batting Johnathan Rodriguez fourth today.
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Speaker 1: I mean I questioned that a little bit because even
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Speaker 1: in this short time in the big leagues, he doesn't
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Speaker 1: have great stats against lefties. I mean, Western Wilson started today,
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Speaker 1: and he does have good stats career wise against leftianded
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Speaker 1: pitching in the major leagues eight forty seven ops. But
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Speaker 1: right now, I'm sure from the clubhouse to the dugout
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Speaker 1: to the front office, they're searching for answers as to
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Speaker 1: why this offense is underperforming.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's also too when you look at
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Speaker 3: the lineup the way it's set up. I mean, how
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Speaker 3: many games in a row have they had where they're hitting
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Speaker 3: the same guys after, you know, after ward, after Henderson
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Speaker 3: and after Alonso. I mean, it's been a different guy
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Speaker 3: behind them almost every game, it seems like. So I
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Speaker 3: think you're right, Saf, I think they're looking for answers,
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Speaker 3: trying to just find a formula to get this offense
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Speaker 3: up and rolling, and then it ends up seeing like
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Speaker 3: the seven, eight, nine hitters are kind of carrying the
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Speaker 3: offense at times, and then we can't get the guys
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Speaker 3: in the top of lineup. It just kind of seems
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Speaker 3: like everything just isn't clicking on full cylinder right now,
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Speaker 3: and they're trying everything they can to see what they
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Speaker 3: can do to kind of get it rolling.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think that's just been the unfortunate part to the
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Speaker 5: start of this year with the orioles Is guys.
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Speaker 2: They've just been an inconsistent ball club.
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Speaker 5: You start out the year three and six, then you
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Speaker 5: win six of seven, and now you've lost five of
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Speaker 5: six again. We've seen the offense hot, we've seen them cold.
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Speaker 5: We've seen the starting pitching maybe to a or extent.
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Speaker 5: The bullpen for the most part, has been the most
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Speaker 5: consistent part about this team. And we know that the
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Speaker 5: defense has been spotty throughout, but offensively in Cleveland, it
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Speaker 5: just it wasn't good enough one to fifty seven batting average.
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Speaker 2: They had forty eight.
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Speaker 5: Strikeouts in four games, five for twenty six with runners
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Speaker 5: in scoring position, and right now, and.
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Speaker 2: You don't expect all these guys to be hot at.
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Speaker 5: The same time, And Brad, I remember you saying in
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Speaker 5: one of the prior episodes, you probably don't want all
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Speaker 5: of them to be hot at the same time. But
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Speaker 5: right now it's it's kind of Jeremiah Jackson, Taylor Ward.
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Speaker 5: He hit his first homer of the season today, but
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Speaker 5: Gunner and Pete and really team wide, strikeouts have been
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Speaker 5: an issue.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And where I really see it creeping up is
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Speaker 3: when they have runners in scoring position and they're just
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Speaker 3: even with less than two outs, they're having trouble moving
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Speaker 3: runners over, hitting a ball to the right side, putting
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Speaker 3: the ball and play up the middle when you have
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Speaker 3: a runner on third lesson two outs. So the strikeout
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Speaker 3: has really just seemed to be coming at the worst time.
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Speaker 3: It seems like when they have runners in the scoring
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Speaker 3: position lest to outs, and that's when the strikeouts kill you.
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Speaker 3: And that's when it seems to be coming up the most.
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Speaker 3: And from what I've seen in these games, so far.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. We did not see a six to one
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Speaker 1: run coming for the Oriols when they got swept in Pittsburgh,
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Speaker 1: but it did. We didn't quite see this coming, but
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Speaker 1: it did. It's just baseball, man, you can't call it.
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Speaker 1: You know, who thought like Leote Tavaris and Jeremiah Jackson
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Speaker 1: would be the best hitters on this team twenty games
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Speaker 1: into the season. That's about what we've seen. And Tim,
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Speaker 1: I think they're in a critical stretch though I wrote
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Speaker 1: this on my substack. They're playing better opponents here the
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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. They're going to see Alise finally soon,
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox followed by the Yankees. They need to
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Speaker 1: stay engaged with the division. They've drifted two or three back.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to fall five or six, seven back,
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Speaker 1: have one of those three and seven runs where now
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Speaker 1: you're playing catchup.
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Speaker 5: Completely agree, Steve, And you know by the time this
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Speaker 5: Royal series is done, you're twenty five games in. They
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Speaker 5: haven't played an American League East opponent yet, and like
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Speaker 5: you said, that really ratchets up. Boston comes to town
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Speaker 5: next weekend. You play two series against the Yankees in
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Speaker 5: the span of two weeks. So the schedule really starts
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Speaker 5: to ratchet up. And I think Taylor Ward said it
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Speaker 5: best following the game today, Brad, where they know how
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Speaker 5: good they are. There's a lot of talent on this team,
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Speaker 5: and this is a time to really look in the
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Speaker 5: mirror and dig deep, to use his words, and get
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Speaker 5: back on track. The injuries are absolutely a factor. There's
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Speaker 5: no question about thirteen guys on the il, a lot
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Speaker 5: of key contributors. But even with all of those injuries,
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Speaker 5: you gotta find a way. No what's gonna feel sorry
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Speaker 5: for you for these guys being sidelined.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's funny you say that because
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Speaker 3: I watch this team play and I don't see a
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Speaker 3: five hundred or blow five hundred team. There's just too
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Speaker 3: much talent on this roster for them to be where
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Speaker 3: they are right now in the standings. But on the
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Speaker 3: other side the American League, nobody's taken off. Everyone's kind
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Speaker 3: of still there. But like you're saying, this stretch coming
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Speaker 3: up is going to be really important to not get five, six, seven,
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Speaker 3: eight games behind in the division. Then you get away
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Speaker 3: behind me a wildcard game if you start losing to
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Speaker 3: some of these opponents.
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Speaker 4: So the good, the good, and the bad.
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Speaker 3: I guess of all of it is, I don't think
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Speaker 3: we've seen the best baseball they can play, and the
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Speaker 3: league hasn't gone away from them at all. So that's
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Speaker 3: that's at least a positive I can take from. We
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Speaker 3: know it's there the roster. The talent is too good
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Speaker 3: to not be better than what they are.
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Speaker 5: And that's exactly it, Brad, where I refuse to believe
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Speaker 5: that this offense is going to be in this long
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Speaker 5: of a prolonged funk for them, this being a season
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Speaker 5: long issue. There's just way too much power in this
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Speaker 5: lineup for the slugging percentage to be at the middle
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Speaker 5: of the pack.
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Speaker 2: And I still have faith in this starting pitching.
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Speaker 5: I still think we're going to see the best is
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Speaker 5: yet to come for Shamee Baz, for Kyle Bradish.
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Speaker 2: I think Rogers will get back on track.
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Speaker 5: And heck, the bullpen continues to be such a pleasant
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Speaker 5: surprise for this team.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of areas for growth for this ball club.
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Speaker 1: They're sure. And let's get back to him to what
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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, the early game struggles and going into today,
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Speaker 1: the Oriols had been outscored in the first two innings
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Speaker 1: twenty four to nine. They've actually outscored their opponents in
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Speaker 1: the third inning by little, and that didn't change today.
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Speaker 1: In the first two innings, no one scored, so twenty
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Speaker 1: four to nine. Nine runs all year in the first
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Speaker 1: two innings now twenty two games. So in the first
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Speaker 1: inning the Oils are batting one to seventy six OPS six',
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Speaker 1: ten and the second inning they're batting two hundred six oh.
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Speaker 1: Six in the third inning THE ops is five sixty.
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Speaker 1: Two so it's really way down across the board. Now
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Speaker 1: traditionally in, baseball starters do better the first time through the,
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Speaker 1: lineup and you start to hit them as the game goes.
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Speaker 1: On but this is an extreme case of, that AND
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Speaker 1: i just can't imagine this will continue much. Longer but for,
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Speaker 1: now it's got to be really frustrating throughout the team
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Speaker 1: and the fan.
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Speaker 5: Base, absolutely And steve this time a year, ago how
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Speaker 5: big of an issue was that for this ball club
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Speaker 5: they would just be buried in the first couple of.
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Speaker 5: Innings you're down four to, nothing five to, nothing the
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Speaker 5: starter's getting, sheld AND i feel like it's only human
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Speaker 5: nature at that. Point now it is nowhere near the
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Speaker 5: extreme that it was for twenty twenty, five but still
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Speaker 5: you're just kind of this ball club is constantly, chasing
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Speaker 5: AND i feel like that has to take a lot
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Speaker 5: out of this team where they just need to put
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Speaker 5: up a crooked number in the first couple of, innings
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Speaker 5: play from, ahead and then brad get it to that
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Speaker 5: bullpen because you got a lot of guys.
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Speaker 2: That can come through in big, time high leverage, Spots.
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Speaker 3: AND i just think, that LIKE i had mentioned, before
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Speaker 3: it's kind of just the pressure just, building and the
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Speaker 3: longer this, goes you, know the guys are thinking about.
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Speaker 3: It it gets to a certain point in the season
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Speaker 3: where it's just, noise but then it turns into a
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Speaker 3: reality type, thing AND i think that's when you can
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Speaker 3: kind of see the bats get away from them and
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Speaker 3: then trying to do a little bit too much and
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Speaker 3: guys want to really help the. Team so that's when
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Speaker 3: you see some of these at bats you would normally
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Speaker 3: never see from these, guys but they're just putting so
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Speaker 3: much pressure on themselves to get that lead and get
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Speaker 3: to this.
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Speaker 4: Bullpen BECAUSE i feel.
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Speaker 3: Like we haven't seen a stretch where we get to
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Speaker 3: see the bullpen in action, three, four, five six straight
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Speaker 3: games with the lead and kind of just shut it
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Speaker 3: down and send a message to the rest of the
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Speaker 3: league that you need to get ahead of us or
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Speaker 3: else the game's. Over and that's how it always felt
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Speaker 3: on the TEAMS i played for In. Baltimore you could
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Speaker 3: feel the pressure the other team had to get a
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Speaker 3: lead early against our, starters because if it got to
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Speaker 3: us late in the, game we pretty much thought we
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Speaker 3: were gonna. Win so it can play both sides of
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Speaker 3: the ball. There when you get, behind you start feeling this.
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Speaker 3: Pressure but when they start getting these, leads they know
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Speaker 3: they can just start applying pressure to the other.
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Speaker 4: Team so that's WHAT i really want to see for this.
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Speaker 5: Offense and to your, point where this you wouldn't expect
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Speaker 5: to be a season long thing the first three innings
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Speaker 5: because it flips an inning seven through, eight or excuse,
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Speaker 5: me seven through.
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Speaker 2: Nine they're tied for the eighth most runs in, baseball.
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Speaker 5: The fifth best ops in, baseball and those final three,
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Speaker 5: innings so you would expect this to balance out over.
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Speaker 2: Time.
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Speaker 1: Brad would you think there's a lot of uh discussion
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Speaker 1: internally amongst the players about the offensive struggles or do
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Speaker 1: guys maybe just they kind of know. It they know
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Speaker 1: it more than, anybody, Right it's not like someone has
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Speaker 1: to tell, them and they and, they As Buck showalter would,
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Speaker 1: say there's all that, one, Two but then sometimes that
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Speaker 1: gets in the. Way you want to be, good you
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Speaker 1: want to do it for the, team you want to
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Speaker 1: be the one, guy and then no one turns out
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Speaker 1: being the one.
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Speaker 3: Guy, yeah AND i think it's not it's not one
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Speaker 3: of those. THINGS i think it's being told to, them
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Speaker 3: but they. KNOW i, mean it's LIKE i, said if
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Speaker 3: it was a nine game stretch or something like, that
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Speaker 3: but when it started creeping towards twenty, games and it's
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Speaker 3: it's pretty much the same kind of. Pattern they know,
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Speaker 3: it and they're they're probably discussing with each. Other they're
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out like how to get guys, over
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Speaker 3: how to do, this how to do. That but like you,
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Speaker 3: said it's the want to and then getting it, done
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Speaker 3: and they're two totally different.
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Speaker 4: Things and these guys know how to do.
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Speaker 3: It it just got. It they just have to start
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Speaker 3: doing it and they. Will it's just got. It you
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Speaker 3: just want to see it getting out there a little
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Speaker 3: bit quicker here and get off through a little bit
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Speaker 3: better starts in these.
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Speaker 4: GAMES i think.
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Speaker 5: We've started to see a little bit of frustration from some. Guys,
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Speaker 5: Heck Samuel, BISIO i think he snapped at least five
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Speaker 5: bats over me.
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Speaker 2: Within the past.
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Speaker 5: Week you, Know Gunnar, henderson we see the. Emotions he
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Speaker 5: wears his emotions on his. Sleeve SO i think guys
13:38
Speaker 5: they might.
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Speaker 2: Be pressing a. Bit But brad, like how. Important and
13:42
Speaker 2: that's the special thing.
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Speaker 5: About baseball is you have a game the very next,
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Speaker 5: day but just staying within, yourself not trying to do
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Speaker 5: too much despite knowing that you're going through this tough.
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Speaker 3: Stretch, YEAH i think that's the hardest struggle in baseball.
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Speaker 3: PERIOD i think it's knowing what you do well and
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Speaker 3: doing it at the best of your. Bill and that's
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Speaker 3: LIKE i, remember whenever you get called up in the minor,
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Speaker 3: leagues whatever got you, there we'll keep you. There you
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Speaker 3: need to get better at, it but whatever gets you
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Speaker 3: to that spot and. Whatever all these guys are in
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Speaker 3: a position that they know what they do. Best when
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Speaker 3: you try to start doing other stuff outside of, that
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Speaker 3: that's when baseball gets really. Hard it's a hard enough
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Speaker 3: game for hitters as it, is but when you start
14:19
Speaker 3: trying to do stuff that's outside of your game and skill,
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Speaker 3: set that's when the game just gets.
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Speaker 4: Impossible and, it's LIKE i.
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Speaker 3: Said it might be creeping in there just a little,
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Speaker 3: bit and like you, said everybody wants to be the
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Speaker 3: one that jump starts. It and when you have nine
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Speaker 3: guys trying to do, that sometimes they get outside of
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Speaker 3: their game and their skill set and things just kind
14:36
Speaker 3: of just start falling down the wayside in a bad,
14:38
Speaker 3: direction just as much it can go in the good
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Speaker 3: direction when things start rolling the other. Way so it's
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Speaker 3: just such a frustrating, game and that's why there's one
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty. Two and you try to just go
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Speaker 3: game to game and keep your mental state as solid
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Speaker 3: and stable as you possibly, can because.
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Speaker 4: It is a tough.
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Speaker 3: Game and you go through good stretches and you go
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Speaker 3: through bad, stretches and at the end of the, year
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Speaker 3: you just hope your team's there in a position to
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Speaker 3: have a chance to make the.
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Speaker 1: Playoffs so The oriols lose three or four At Progressive,
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Speaker 1: field where they have gone thirty nine and eighty all,
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Speaker 1: time that's stunningly. Poor that's a three to twenty eight winning,
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Speaker 1: percentage which would be fifty three wins over a full.
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Speaker 1: Year that's how poorly The oriols have played At. Cleveland
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Speaker 1: this team is not, different unfortunately than a lot of
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Speaker 1: others who have just gone in there and, struggled and
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Speaker 1: it feels like every year they played great. Defense when
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Speaker 1: The oriols show up, there they're pitching is good and
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Speaker 1: they know how to, execute so if they see a,
15:31
Speaker 1: weakness they pounce mad like a shark and they get it.
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Speaker 1: Done now let's talk about oriole Starter Trevor, rodgers and
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Speaker 1: my concern level is. Zero i've seen him give up
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Speaker 1: some runs back to, back But i've seen too much
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Speaker 1: with this guy with The orioles to be worried. Yet
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Speaker 1: now maybe you guys have a different, Take but he
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Speaker 1: had a one eight to NINE era after three. Starts
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Speaker 1: now he's allowed niner and runs in nine and two
15:54
Speaker 1: thirds the last. Two last year he gave up more
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Speaker 1: than three runs one time at eighteen starts one. Time
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Speaker 1: now he's done it back to. Back so some doubters
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Speaker 1: are going to creep in, here maybe amongst the fan.
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Speaker 1: Base how about, you two.
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Speaker 2: Gentlemen i'm not at that, Point.
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Speaker 5: STEVE i think you can get go back to his
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Speaker 5: last start against The.
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Speaker 2: Diamondbacks he was cruising up until the fifth.
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Speaker 5: Inning he had a bad, inning he would, say as
16:20
Speaker 5: much as his only walk was in that. Inning he
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Speaker 5: gave up four hits are a lot of hard. Contact
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Speaker 5: today was a rough. Start there's no way around. It
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Speaker 5: BUT i think this is kind of the moment That
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Speaker 5: i've been waiting for to see out Of Trevor. Rodgers
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Speaker 5: quite frankly is it was such a magic carpet ride
16:38
Speaker 5: for him in twenty twenty. Five that is so, abnormal
16:42
Speaker 5: and baseball guys have bad. Starts hall Of fame pitchers
16:45
Speaker 5: have bad. Starts guys that Win Cy young's have bad
16:48
Speaker 5: starts over the course of. Seasons and he pitched in
16:52
Speaker 5: more than half of a. Season but now it's back
16:55
Speaker 5: to back outings Where i'm sure he would have won
16:57
Speaker 5: it back and does this? Snowball does he right the
17:00
Speaker 5: ship in his next start expected Against, boston who's a struggling.
17:05
Speaker 5: Offense i'm still in On Trevor, rodgers AND i thought
17:09
Speaker 5: them McDonald had a great point on the.
17:13
Speaker 2: Broadcast today On masson Where.
17:16
Speaker 5: Rogers through the first four, INNINGS i believe he gave
17:19
Speaker 5: up four earned, runs but he was getting ahead Of Guys.
17:21
Speaker 5: Brett he had first pitch strikes on seventeen of the
17:26
Speaker 5: first nineteen batters that he. Faced But ben made the
17:30
Speaker 5: point of, saying there's a difference between control and, Command
17:34
Speaker 5: and you, know control it's getting it in the strike,
17:38
Speaker 5: zone but, command it's hitting your, spots it's getting it
17:41
Speaker 5: in different. Quadrants SO i guess the difference between a
17:45
Speaker 5: strike and a quality.
17:46
Speaker 3: Strike, Yeah AND i thought that was great the way
17:50
Speaker 3: he talked about it, today just explained it so well
17:52
Speaker 3: and gave it such a good visual without even having.
17:54
Speaker 4: An actually seat on the.
17:55
Speaker 3: Screen and it's the difference between a good start and
17:59
Speaker 3: a bad star equality strikes as opposed to just throwing.
18:02
Speaker 3: Strikes like you, said he got, ahead which is gonna help.
18:04
Speaker 3: You but from there he was just he was throwing
18:07
Speaker 3: it was almost half of the plate or halfs of
18:10
Speaker 3: these quadrants as opposed to throwing it to a third
18:12
Speaker 3: of the plate and a third up.
18:14
Speaker 4: Above so he was just getting too much on the
18:17
Speaker 4: fat part of the. Plate and it.
18:20
Speaker 3: Happens AND i, think going back To stee's, Point i'm
18:22
Speaker 3: not worried Because i've heard starting pitchers talk about you
18:26
Speaker 3: get Thirty let's just say you get thirty starts in the,
18:28
Speaker 3: season you have five starts where no matter what you,
18:30
Speaker 3: throw you're never gonna get.
18:31
Speaker 4: Hit it's gonna be. Unbelievable you have.
18:33
Speaker 3: Five starts that are really bad and no matter what you,
18:35
Speaker 3: throw it's gonna get. Hit and your season is made
18:38
Speaker 3: up of the other twenty starts that you make during the.
18:40
Speaker 3: Year SO i WAS i always looked at starting pitching that,
18:42
Speaker 3: way that it's A it's just a great way to
18:44
Speaker 3: look at, it AND.
18:44
Speaker 4: I think it's a great way for them to look at.
18:46
Speaker 3: It And i'd say these last, two maybe the last
18:48
Speaker 3: one might be somewhere in the, middle but today was
18:50
Speaker 3: probably one of his five bad, starts and it's gonna,
18:53
Speaker 3: happen and no matter how good you, are you're gonna
18:55
Speaker 3: have these bad. Starts but back To ben's point, AGAIN i.
18:59
Speaker 4: Think he was just throwing a little bit too much
19:01
Speaker 4: of the fat part of the.
19:02
Speaker 3: Play he was getting, ahead which was, great but then
19:04
Speaker 3: the pitches after, that his change up was up just
19:06
Speaker 3: a little bit too. Much like on the home run To,
19:08
Speaker 3: ramirez the fastball was just instead of getting it fully,
19:11
Speaker 3: in it was probably more middle of the, plate and
19:15
Speaker 3: a good hitter Like jose ramiir is gonna make you
19:17
Speaker 3: pay for. That so that's that's pretty much all it was.
19:19
Speaker 3: Today it was just he was throwing. Strikes it was
19:21
Speaker 3: great seeing him get, ahead but after, that his pitches
19:24
Speaker 3: weren't exactly quality, strikes and he probably the first one to,
19:27
Speaker 3: say he's just got to be a little bit. Better
19:29
Speaker 3: you got to be a little bit more towards a.
19:30
Speaker 3: Black the hitters are too good to keep it out
19:32
Speaker 3: over the, plate and The indian or, sorry The guardians
19:35
Speaker 3: are such a good team at just putting the ball
19:38
Speaker 3: and play that you can't depend on the. Strikeouts so
19:41
Speaker 3: even when he was getting ahead to two strikes against
19:44
Speaker 3: the lineup like, this it is not necessarily gonna help
19:46
Speaker 3: you because they're so good at just putting the ball and,
19:48
Speaker 3: play they're good at moving runners, over and they're gonna
19:50
Speaker 3: make you pay if you make bad. Pitches so that
19:52
Speaker 3: was pretty much WHAT i saw from him. Today BUT
19:54
Speaker 3: i don't see this stretch here, continuing and expect to
19:57
Speaker 3: see him come out the next outing and get back
19:59
Speaker 3: to doing what he.
20:00
Speaker 1: Does four point zero eighty R a on the air
20:03
Speaker 1: now For Trevor rodgers a quick. Question On saturday night's,
20:08
Speaker 1: Game Dean kramer gives up this three run. Jack some
20:12
Speaker 1: people said he should have thrown a split split was so,
20:14
Speaker 1: Good besias wanting him to step off at the last.
20:20
Speaker 1: Second he doesn't step. Off what did you guys make
20:23
Speaker 1: of that? Sequence he pitched so, well but one pitch
20:27
Speaker 1: there really cost.
20:28
Speaker 3: Him, yeah and IT'S i think it's, UH i used
20:31
Speaker 3: to just not be able to get sleep at night
20:34
Speaker 3: thinking THAT i threw the wrong. Pitch so he probably
20:37
Speaker 3: was tossing and turn over that and then probably.
20:39
Speaker 4: Was a little bit in between on what he wanted to.
20:42
Speaker 3: Do or he was, really, uh you, know really wanted
20:45
Speaker 3: to throw that, pitch And basile just saw maybe something
20:47
Speaker 3: in the, hitter AND i don't, know it's. HARD i
20:50
Speaker 3: hate questioning one, pitch but that pitched the side of the.
20:53
Speaker 3: Game so it's it's, like it's such a it's such
20:56
Speaker 3: a as a former, player AND i know what he would
20:58
Speaker 3: go through with these situations Because i'm out there for
21:00
Speaker 3: the save AND i throw one pitch THAT i just
21:02
Speaker 3: WISH i had thrown for a ball instead of a,
21:04
Speaker 3: strike and just kind of getting beat on that one
21:07
Speaker 3: pitch is just those are like the worst outings you can,
21:10
Speaker 3: have especially as a. Starter he was deep in the
21:12
Speaker 3: game there in the SIXTH i think it, was and
21:14
Speaker 3: just just one pitch that you wish you could either
21:16
Speaker 3: take back or put in a different, location and unfortunately
21:20
Speaker 3: he just got burned on.
21:20
Speaker 2: It Ran how tough is? That though you know where
21:25
Speaker 2: you don't want to be.
21:27
Speaker 5: Too predictable going to the well too often for the,
21:30
Speaker 5: spoilter like sequencing your, pitches like it's almost like the
21:34
Speaker 5: game within a game for a, Pitcher, like how difficult is?
21:38
Speaker 4: That it's so.
21:40
Speaker 3: TOUGH i remember Facing Guardo eyes on the diebacks for
21:45
Speaker 3: a bunch of, years BUT i KNEW i could check
21:47
Speaker 3: him out in my change, up AND i catcher came
21:50
Speaker 3: out and goes throw a change up. HERE i, SAID
21:51
Speaker 3: i want to throw a cutter away and Then i'm
21:53
Speaker 3: going to go to my change. UP i just want
21:54
Speaker 3: to throw one pitch away just to get him off
21:56
Speaker 3: with the change up because he KNEW i was going
21:58
Speaker 3: to throw, it and what, happens he has a home
22:00
Speaker 3: on the. Cutter so it was just one of these
22:03
Speaker 3: things where you want a, sequence like you, said you
22:06
Speaker 3: want to get to the pitch to get to the,
22:07
Speaker 3: strikeout but then you throw it too good of a
22:10
Speaker 3: pitch and they hurt you on the pitch you weren't
22:11
Speaker 3: trying to get beat. On and it is such a
22:14
Speaker 3: it's such a frustrating thing BECAUSE i KNOW i could
22:17
Speaker 3: get him out of my change. UP i just wanted
22:18
Speaker 3: to throw one more pitch away to see IF i
22:20
Speaker 3: could get him to either just get off balance going
22:23
Speaker 3: out towards the plate or just take a check swing
22:26
Speaker 3: and MAYBE i get a swing and miss. There but
22:28
Speaker 3: it's just stuff that would just beat you. Up And
22:30
Speaker 3: i'm SURE i don't know If dean was, trying LIKE i,
22:33
Speaker 3: said he's the only one that knows if he was
22:34
Speaker 3: trying to get him out of that pitch or if
22:36
Speaker 3: he was trying to set up the splitter after. That
22:38
Speaker 3: maybe he thought he had thrown too many to. Him
22:39
Speaker 3: maybe he thought he was sitting on the, splitter which
22:42
Speaker 3: is a tough pitch to sit, on but thought he
22:44
Speaker 3: could maybe get one by. Him and it's just it's
22:47
Speaker 3: just such a frustrating part of the pitching, side, because
22:49
Speaker 3: like you, said you're setting up these pitches and all
22:51
Speaker 3: you're trying to do is maybe throw a, Ball just
22:53
Speaker 3: throw on above the, zone get him to just change
22:55
Speaker 3: his eye level one way or the. Other and you
22:58
Speaker 3: throw too much on the, plate he makes you pay for.
22:59
Speaker 3: It it's just the give and take of it. All
23:02
Speaker 3: AND i mean seven out of ten, times the guy's
23:05
Speaker 3: probably gonna mishit it anyway when you put it in
23:07
Speaker 3: The spoty's looking. For so it's when you get beat on,
23:09
Speaker 3: it especially on the home, run it just makes it
23:12
Speaker 3: that much more.
23:12
Speaker 4: Frustrating and it's a team.
23:15
Speaker 1: Game so in fairness To Dean, kramer if they scored
23:18
Speaker 1: him six or eight, runs one pitch does not have
23:21
Speaker 1: the significance that we talked. About when we come back
23:24
Speaker 1: On Berdland. Territory we got a few more topics to visit,
23:27
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Speaker 1: The, fan, GUYS i think it's fair to throw some
23:50
Speaker 1: props leote to veris this. Way this guy age twenty
23:54
Speaker 1: seven signed for one Year Defensive, specialists, right but he's
23:58
Speaker 1: batting three sixty eight with ans of a thousand hit
24:01
Speaker 1: his first home Run saturday. Night feels like he's really
24:04
Speaker 1: been what they wanted. More he didn't start today as
24:07
Speaker 1: a little surprising to, me but he's been swinging it
24:09
Speaker 1: for The. Orioles we didn't expect.
24:11
Speaker 4: That, yeah his swing looks great right. NOW i think
24:15
Speaker 4: everything it.
24:16
Speaker 3: SOUNDED i don't know if the acoustics are better In,
24:18
Speaker 3: cleveland but every single ball these guys are making contact with.
24:21
Speaker 4: Hard him And jackson.
24:22
Speaker 3: Both were just really loud on the. Telecast But tavars
24:25
Speaker 3: has been really. IMPRESSIVE i, mean you know what he's
24:27
Speaker 3: gonna do in center, field but what he's been providing
24:29
Speaker 3: for the bat the last ten, week ten days to
24:32
Speaker 3: two weeks even more than, that has been really. Impressive
24:35
Speaker 3: and like you're, saying The orioles are getting everything and
24:38
Speaker 3: more they expected from. Him and it's been been really
24:40
Speaker 3: fun to. Watch AND i love seeing him up there that.
24:43
Speaker 3: PLAYED i want to see him up there with more
24:44
Speaker 3: base runners to.
24:46
Speaker 4: See what he can.
24:47
Speaker 3: Do but it's been great seeing him so far this
24:49
Speaker 3: season and interested to see how long he can keep this.
24:51
Speaker 5: Going that's the funny thing about this, year, guys Is
24:56
Speaker 5: there's been so many cool stories Like Leode, tavaris Like Jeremiah,
25:01
Speaker 5: Jackson Anthony, nunez like all all these guys in the.
25:04
Speaker 2: Bullpen like there's.
25:05
Speaker 5: Been a lot of these guys that we weren't expecting
25:08
Speaker 5: to step up that. Have And Leote, TAVARES i believe
25:12
Speaker 5: was the first signing of the offseason two million dollar,
25:15
Speaker 5: contract and he's really sees the starting center field, job,
25:19
Speaker 5: guys and the fact that he is swinging this hot.
25:22
Speaker 5: Bat he had a seven game hit streak heading into.
25:25
Speaker 5: Today think of what he did in the in this series, alone.
25:29
Speaker 5: Guys he broke up the no Hitter, thursday he worked
25:32
Speaker 5: a walk in the eighth Inning friday in a situation
25:36
Speaker 5: in which he challenged a full count situation where he
25:39
Speaker 5: struck out and then it ended up being reversed to
25:42
Speaker 5: a walk and he homerd. Yesterday maybe the most surprising
25:46
Speaker 5: thing About Leodi taveres so far this year is the.
25:50
Speaker 5: Walks he's got nine walks in nine strikeouts heading heading into.
25:55
Speaker 5: Today he had five walks in fifty eight games last.
25:58
Speaker 5: Year So Tody tavares has been quite frankly a godsend
26:03
Speaker 5: for this.
26:04
Speaker 4: Team, yeah when you look at the.
26:06
Speaker 3: Walks to, me that just Goes he's got really good
26:08
Speaker 3: plain discipline right. Now he knows where the zone is
26:10
Speaker 3: and that's where good hitting comes. From it's just knowing
26:13
Speaker 3: balls and knowing strikes and taking his walks when it's
26:15
Speaker 3: time and not trying.
26:17
Speaker 4: To do too. Much and he's just been a really
26:19
Speaker 4: bright spot for this.
26:19
Speaker 3: Lineup and like What i'm, saying It's, tim like you're,
26:22
Speaker 3: saying with all these bright spots and these guys you're
26:24
Speaker 3: not expecting to do the. Stuff it's just, like, MAN
26:27
Speaker 3: i just there's more wins, there and it's THAT i
26:30
Speaker 3: think THAT i think that might be the most frustrating
26:32
Speaker 3: part of, it is that you're getting these contributions from
26:35
Speaker 3: guys that you did not, expect and yet here they
26:38
Speaker 3: are a gamer two under five, hundred and it just
26:40
Speaker 3: feels like they're playing better baseball than what they're showing
26:42
Speaker 3: right now record.
26:43
Speaker 1: Wise, yeah at great point, There, tim about all the
26:48
Speaker 1: surprising contributors and maybe that's why they are holding their
26:51
Speaker 1: head in there with thirteen il guys With if you
26:54
Speaker 1: look at components of a team, offense, defense, rotation, bullpen
26:59
Speaker 1: four components add heavily into winning there's only one going
27:03
Speaker 1: well for The orioles right. Now that's. Bullpen the other
27:06
Speaker 1: three are underperforming what we hoped in some ways big time.
27:09
Speaker 1: Underperforming so maybe Here's steve being the. Optimist ten and
27:13
Speaker 1: twelve isn't so, bad but they have to not go
27:17
Speaker 1: six games. Under they have to now start getting it.
27:20
Speaker 1: Going and In Kansas, city maybe that Means, Bradish boz
27:24
Speaker 1: And bassett roll and get it. Done Maybe balonzo hits
27:27
Speaker 1: four home. Runs who knows something has to turn and
27:31
Speaker 1: it can turn, fast and it's time In birdland for
27:33
Speaker 1: that to.
27:34
Speaker 2: Happen, WELL i think you're exactly.
27:36
Speaker 5: Right you got it at a minimum in this, stretch
27:39
Speaker 5: continued to tread. Water now it sounds like there could
27:43
Speaker 5: be reinforcements on the. WAY i Know Keegan aiken he
27:46
Speaker 5: had his second rehab assignment or rehab appearance. Yesterday Andrew
27:51
Speaker 5: kittridge got restarted after a paternity to. LEAVE i know
27:55
Speaker 5: he got roughed up. Today Dietrich ans he started his rehab.
27:58
Speaker 5: Assignment so that's kind of gonna be an interesting decision
28:02
Speaker 5: when those three guys are, Ready.
28:03
Speaker 2: Who are you sending down in this bullpen right?
28:06
Speaker 5: Now with guys pitching really, well and then in the
28:09
Speaker 5: Lineup Adley, RUTCHMAN i know he's eligible to come off
28:13
Speaker 5: the Il.
28:14
Speaker 2: Tuesday we'll.
28:15
Speaker 5: SEE i Know Craig albernaz was saying when he got
28:18
Speaker 5: THE mri that it was encouraging. News tyler, O'Neill you,
28:22
Speaker 5: know he might be on the come soon as. Well
28:25
Speaker 5: so within this next week or, two the oh should
28:29
Speaker 5: have a lot of reinforcements coming their.
28:31
Speaker 3: Way, Brad, Yeah AND i think when you think back
28:34
Speaker 3: to the, injuries you know you can't you can't use
28:36
Speaker 3: the injury bug as a. Card but when you think
28:38
Speaker 3: about this line or this series in, particular the two
28:40
Speaker 3: lefty starters they face had some. Struggles they got to
28:43
Speaker 3: the starter today in the fifth, Inning but you think About,
28:46
Speaker 3: mountcastle you think About, adley you think about. O'Neil that's
28:51
Speaker 3: three writings right there that you know we're in the
28:52
Speaker 3: starting lineup when a lefty, starting and it's tough losing those.
28:56
Speaker 3: Guys AND i think that's where the four five six
28:59
Speaker 3: hitters have kind of been and all over the place
29:01
Speaker 3: because they don't Have, adlee they don't Have tyler. O'Neill
29:04
Speaker 3: and then you Know Mount castle can you could stick
29:07
Speaker 3: him in there when they're facing, lefties and it's just
29:10
Speaker 3: the lineup can GET i don't want to say fall,
29:13
Speaker 3: Apart that's not What I'm i'm trying to, say but
29:14
Speaker 3: it can it can get a little dicey there when
29:17
Speaker 3: you start losing these middle of that middle of the old.
29:20
Speaker 4: Hats, Well, steve.
29:22
Speaker 5: You brought it, up AND i mean that's with all
29:23
Speaker 5: due respect That Jonathan, rodriguez but him batting cleanup in
29:28
Speaker 5: back to back games multiple, times that's indicative of where
29:32
Speaker 5: this lineup is at health wise right.
29:34
Speaker 2: Now AND i know there was a, situation what was.
29:36
Speaker 5: It, THURSDAY i believe where they ended up pinch hitting for.
29:40
Speaker 5: Him you, know how often do you see teams pinchhit
29:43
Speaker 5: for your cleanup. Hitters but that's just the situation that
29:46
Speaker 5: The orioles find themselves in right.
29:48
Speaker 1: Now, yep long, Season, berdland and we are looking for
29:53
Speaker 1: better things to get int the city and we'll be
29:55
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29:57
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