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Our Very First Podcast Episode (PST Episode 510) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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All right, everybody, you're listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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the longest running weekly Philmy sports podcast show in the world. That is right.
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This week, we are commemorating and celebrating ten years of podcasting, ten
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years on this particular podcast, the Philadelphia Sports Table us being in existence,
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and we've got something very interesting you're gonna hear in just a bit. I'm
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Jeff Warren. I'm here at my good buddy Len Hunt Sicker, who I
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asked to do this podcast with ten years ago, and amazingly enough, he
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said, yes, So buddy, how you doing? Man? Well,
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I said yeah, because I didn't think this is gonna be like a ten
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year saying I'll do it a couple of months and then we'll be done.
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Is that what you thought like it was gonna be a couple of months?
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I, Um, I didn't know. Honestly, I don't really know what
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I thought. I don't think really know that I had expectations. UM,
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I just know how I am personally being, you know, the kind of
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person that starts stuff and doesn't necessarily isn't the best at like, um,
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completing it, We're sticking with it and stuff like that. So it was
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kind of like the thought of as well, Hell, if I'm involved in
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it, you know, probably isn't gonna last that long. Jesus, this
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could be len because we've known each other since, you know, our college
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days. You know, we've known each other for a decades decades, a
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very very long time. This could be the longest commitment I think you have
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ever won, that you've ever made in your life. I think this could
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be probably. I mean, like honestly, like part of like one of
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the proudest things for me was like that I went back and got my degree
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because I made a decision and I stuck to it and I actually you know,
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followed through with it. So yeah, I mean I'm I'm not a
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kind of person that does that a whole heck of a lot. So yeah,
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I mean, in terms of that, yeah, ten years from pretty
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easily. Absolutely, Like it's a it's amazing we're still doing this. Our
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good friend of the show, Kelly Hankle, I'm not sure if you saw
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her like congrats post on Twitter to us and she called us, uh,
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the Philly Sports podcast dads. Did you see that? I could see that.
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Yeah, I thought it was hilarious and I was like that really does
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make us seem old though too. But but it does though, like honestly,
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like like like I'll use those guys over at um broad Street Hockey Radio
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as an example, Like you listen to them, You're like, oh,
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yeah, they're like they're all like eight years younger than us and pretty much
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everybody like where I would say in terms of people that do a steady podcast,
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I would say, we are certainly on the older end of people within
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the Philadelphia sports realm. And you know we're yeah, absolutely, yeah,
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absolutely we are. Man, I I gotta say, and you know,
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I'm not gonna get emotional learn anything like that. I'm not even though you
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know me, I can get emotional. I can laugh at you. You've
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seen me get emotional every now and then. But I'll say this, you
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know, Lennon, I just I appreciate you, buddy. I thank you
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so much for sticking around this long. I really do. Because there was
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there was a moment. Do you remember the moment? It might have been
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after maybe just two years of doing this show, you and I had to
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have a talk and it was actually at Eric's house. I think it was
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like outside in his backyard area. I don't know if you remember that at
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all, but I think because of where your expectations were at the time of
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what this podcast was and what it was kind of like becoming, and where
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my expectations were, there was like there was there was a little tension.
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I think there was a little did you do you remember this? I think
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I think there was like a definite difference, and because because and because I
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had the thing of like, um of like okay, and especially earlier on
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in the whole podcasting, where you'd see people, Okay, they're getting the
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show, they're able to you know, like make a thing out of it,
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um, you know, monetize it or whatever, um and and I
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was and I was like, oh, okay, maybe we'll go in that
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direction. And that didn't really happen for us. Um So it was just
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like, yeah, all right, what are we doing? Like I sometimes
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occasually had a thought of like legitimate, like are we doing something wrong that
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other people were having that's a um yeah, that's just not what we ended
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up doing, right, But um So I did have that thought of like
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are we just messing up or something that you know that didn't necessarily happen exactly.
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Yeah, And I think, I think whereas I think from the beginning
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you were more of like a this I just you know, this is just
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what I'm doing, regardless of what becomes of it, And I had to
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eventually just come around to that that like, even if it doesn't become something
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that like that, that I'd still be doing exactly. And I think we
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are comparing ourselves back then, unfortunately to other podcasts that were able to take
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a larger leap because they already had an established presence on the Internet. They
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already had an established presence within a certain fan base or something like you take
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like, for instance, you take like the sp Nation sites. You know,
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we love our sp Nation sites here, whether it's Broadstreet Hockey or whether
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it's Liberty Ballers especially. That's right, yeah, you know you basically got
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rid of hockey exactly. But I mean you take a look at Bleeding Green
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Nation, say, for instance, like they had an established and still do.
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They have an established platform of a website where people are constantly going there,
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so of course they're gonna see a little bit more success. NBC Philly
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Sports, Yeah, NBC Philly Sports. I mean, these people, these
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personalities that we see on TV, they start a podcast, and yeah,
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of course they're successful and they're able to monetize that because they're on TV,
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so it make it makes sense. In certain areas, it's different. It
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is difficult for individuals just starting out or just want to pop on a mic
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and record it to actually really really monetize it to the point where they can
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actually do it for a living. I mean, we certainly can't. I
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mean, and that's the other thing, like finding that voice now, because
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it's just like, you know, we started doing it and it was like
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there wasn't really a whole heck of a lot out there, and then you
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know, I got to a point a couple of years ago I was like
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Jesus Christ, as everybody have a podcast? Yeah, like where it's just
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like there, it feels like there's now four hundred Philadelphia sports podcasts. Yes,
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you know, even if it's just you know, basically one team that
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they're that they're following, rather than the whole scene in general, there's at
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least a ton of them out there, and it's like, oh my god,
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absolutely. I never I never thought when we started this, like I
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had no idea of the scope of the podcast world and how big it was
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getting. I never thought it would get that big, just that I you
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you pay attention to more of the you know, the inside baseball stuff with
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that stuff than I ever did. Yeah, so you probably saw it coming.
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I was just like, oh my god, this has gotten huge.
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Exactly exactly it has. And there's some good podcasts out there. There's some
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real bad podcasts out there too, and usually the bad ones they tend to
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fade away after time. But I mean this show and what we have all
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done just in terms of talking about what we like, just talking about,
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you know, our passion for Philly sports. You know, you've been a
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Philly sports fan ever since you were a kid. Len you know, Eric
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has as well, except for the Flyers, and I've been a Philly sports
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fan my entire life. I just I still love talking about this this city
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and the sports scene here. And like we mentioned recently, we're gonna start
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talking about the Philadelphia Union as well, just because you know, it is
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going to become a growing part of the Philly sports community and I'm really looking
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forward to that. I'm looking forward to learning more about that sport, which
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is arguably the most popular sport in the world. I can't wait for us
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to get in to it. Man. Yeah, I just I hate that,
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you know, they like had all this momentum coming off last season and
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then this year like it just like if the if the playoffs were to start
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today in MLS, they wouldn't be in the playoffs. I don't think.
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Um, there's been like a bit of a discrepancy between what they're doing in
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the regular MLS season versus some of the tournament stuff. It just feels like
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like that's kind of going by the wayside. But it's just like, dude,
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I'm so ready to jump on this bandwagon forgotten now you guys are losing,
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Like, hell you don't. But yeah, it's a typical Philly sports
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team, you know. Just they pull us in, they pull us in,
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then they break our hearts. Right, That's what it's about. It's
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pretty much how it goes. Yeah, all right, Well, I did
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want to read an email that came in from one of our very very long
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time listeners. We've we've mentioned her name before April, and she just sent
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a really really nice pod or I'm sorry, I sent a very nice email
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about this podcast saying happy tenure anniversary. So here's the email. She said,
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dear PST, wanted to get you my appreciation and my story out to
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you about how I came to find you first. Thank you. Thank you
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for putting out phenomenal content that includes great interviews, funny moments, personal life
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stories, and overall good attitude about not only Philly sports but life in general.
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Even when feeling a bit curmudgeonly. Your enthusiasm for the city, the
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teams in each other is palpable. I came to this podcast just a few
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months from your start, that was recently separated from a husband that hated sports
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and was in search of a podcast that could restore my sports loving soul to
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its rightful place. I found it in the I found it in the dulkhit
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tones of Len, creative cursing of Eric, and infectious laugh of Jeff.
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I don't know if that's infectious. I think it's stinks, so so's aids.
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Yes, I've been a regular listener ever since. Not to worry,
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my second husband is not only a Rabbit sports fan. He was raised in
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the Poconos, is a Penn State graduate, and is an all Philly sports
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fan. I chose wisely this time, and then she ended her email saying
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much love and peace to you all. Looking forward to the next ten years,
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God bless us. If we're gonna be still here and another ten years,
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Lena, I don't know. I mean, we're gonna keep doing this,
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you know, you know, I think for a little bit here,
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but I don't know about ten years. Who knows. But anyway, April,
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thank you so much for that email. I read that email, Len
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and I read those words and the fact that for me, it's about connectivity
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and it's what I love about this podcast and whether it's our friend Simon over
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in Australia, we have various other friends and relationships that we have made over
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all of these years because of this podcast, because of common interests, because
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we want to I want to feel those bonds with other people that like certain
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things that we like. And I think it's I think it's very cool that
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this podcast has done that. Again, we're not the biggest podcast in the
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world, not by any stretch, or even in the Philly sports world,
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but I'm very, very proud and happy the fact that we have been able
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to really create a lot of really great friendships over the years, and I
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think that's really cool that sports is still able to do that given how sports
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changes all the time. Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like the
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one constant about sports. It hasn't changes that it does that with people.
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Absolutely, It's just and it is funny to me how like so many of
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the you know, people that have been such long time listeners aren't even like
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close to the Philadelphia area in terms of like where they live. It's it's
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always always been interesting to me. I'm sorry, I was taking a drink
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there. We've had so many great guests over the years too. I remember
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when Trey Thomas hopped on with us. I think that was our five year
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anniversary, wasn't it. I think it was. I'm believes I'm trying to
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think of timeline where I was, like where I was living at the time,
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yeah, and all that stuff. Yeah, I think it might have
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been somewhere there. It was great having Brian prop on former Philadelphia Flyer UM.
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You know, we we we generally don't like to talk to players.
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It's one thing I specifically when I when I'm going through, you know,
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looking at folks who to possibly bring on this podcast, I don't like actual
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players because it's the responses are canned and and you know, current players even
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like former players are usually pretty good, but former players still have allegiances to
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certain people, to certain organizations, and sometimes their answers can be canned as
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well. That's why I like talking to a lot of the reporters and a
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lot of the other personalities that we bring on this podcast. But uh,
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I mean we've had some really great discussions over the years, and again some
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really good friendships with a lot of great people that follow the Phillies, the
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Eagles, the Flyers, and the Sixers and soon soon the Philadelphia Union as
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well. Lynn. So I don't know, that's that's about it, you
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know, in terms of you know what I wanted to really say here on
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our you know, a ten year anniversary podcast here, I don't know,
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do you have anything else before we uh, before we play our very very
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first episode here. Yeah, that that'd be It's just like how that sounded
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versus how it sounds today, UM, ought to be very interesting. UM.
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Yeah, a lot of what you said I was I was thinking about
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it earlier today. Um. In terms of like people like Trey Thomas and
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you're just like, wow, I just talked to one of the best offensive
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lineman and Eagles history, and wow, I just Brian prop I just talked
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to one of the greatest flyers of the nineteen eighties, Like it is kind
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of crazy that you get to do stuff like that. Um, so yeah,
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I mean that that stuff I never really thought I would be able to
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do. Um yeah, it's it's been really cool. I'm just thinking about
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like, um, you know where you are, you know in your life,
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like we we've each moved a number of times, you know. Uh
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since then, Um, I think I went from thinking to like I'm going
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to be just some weird single dude forever to actually getting married in the spin,
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Like just how much things change in ten years is just berserk and uh
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and yet like having this whole be a whole part of the backdrop of that,
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It's just such a strange, strange way to keep time. I guess.
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Yeah. I just think of all the I think of, like I
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did this show from a hotel room in Buffalo, and and all these different
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times I remember. I remember doing it. I remember doing an interview with
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John Barchard and I was in a freaking rest trucking rest stop, like twenty
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miles east of Columbus, Ohio. And I'm just like, what the hell
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am I doing? Um? So, yeah, yeah, it's very very
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strange, very strange way to go about doing it, for sure. Oh
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my god. Yeah, ten years is a long time for sure. I'm
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not sure if you saw my wife post. I think it was on Facebook.
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My wife posted a picture of me in front of the computer and microphone
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the very first time. Ye, Holy cow, was a lot younger.
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Yes, I was gonna says, will do something to you. Yeah,
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And I was like, I looked at that picture. It was like,
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dude, he looks like he's in his freaking twenties there in that picture.
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Yes, oh man, these kids have destroyed you. They have. The
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women in my life have destroyed me. And I worked with fifteen women.
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I'm the only male in my place of work. They're all, they're all,
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they're just taking your life force away from you, exactly, all this
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gray in my beard. And tonight at dinner with my kids, they're they're
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saying something, they're in their moods and stuff like that. You know,
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they're preteen moods. And I just actually put my head in my hands and
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I was like, now you know why my hair is so gray? And
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they started laughing. I was like, well, at least I got you
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to laugh. There you go, yes, not right, you need to
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do that, or you can do the Vince McMahon, you can go exactly.
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Well, Lenn, how about we we we we go with our first
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episode ever here? How about if we h how about if we play that
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here for everybody? How about that? Let's do it? Yeah, that
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would be interesting to listen to from like, I'm sure it's gonna be just
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a stumbling, bumbling messy two people that don't know what they're doing. Oh
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not that we do right, even the first fives right, but the first
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five minutes the cringe factor, it is gonna be high for everyone. I'm
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just letting you know. I'm not manipulating the audio. We're gonna keep everything
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as it is, or I should say as it was. We're gonna keep
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everything. The music is a little high, just to let everybody know.
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Music is a little high. As Lenn and I are talking at first until
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we faded out, But yeah, it's Lena and I had no idea what
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we were doing, but boy has some fun conversations. We did absolutely all
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right, let's get to it. Episode one of the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast
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show coming your way, Lenna, any final thoughts before we get to it,
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buddy, No, it's just been it's been a really really fun ride.
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All right, sounds good. Let's get to episode one right now.
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All right, you are listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table. I am Jeff
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and um here along with my co host Lenn. Hello, how are you
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all right? It's our Like I said, it's our first podcast episode,
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and what we are going to be doing from here on out on a weekly
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basis is giving you Philadelphia sports news. We're gonna be talking Philadelphia sports,
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whether it's players, owners, just various news. I don't know anything else
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to add to that one. Well, this is our first time doing this,
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so we're going to try to do all that and give you as little
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dead air as possible as little dead air. Yeah, no guarantees exactly.
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So the format of the podcast episodes, what we're gonna do is go through
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some general news. I mean, and it's not necessarily going to be general
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Philadelphia sports news, but it's going to be simply general sporting news, and
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then we're gonna get into what we're gonna be putting on the table for the
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particular episode. So what we're gonna do is get into general news. And
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I've said that how many times now? Yeah, I think they get it.
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Yeah, of course they do. So we're on the table for this
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episode on the Philadelphia Sports Table. We're gonna be talking the Eagles draft and
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we're also going to be talking about the very very mediocre Philadelphia Philly season thus
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far. It's it's early in the season. It's a little rough, a
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little rough right now, but it's early in the season. Um, thank
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god for Chase Utley. But yeah, okay, So getting into some general
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news. Uh, some may have heard out there, some may not have
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heard that Major League Baseball is creating a task force on diversity. I mean,
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this is just genius from Bud Sealing. I mean genius. What do
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you think do you think? Well, no, I'm pretty sure anybody that
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loves baseball at all can't wait for him to be done his commissioner, thank
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god, thank god he's doing this commission or of this task force. I
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guess on diversity. I mean for me, I listen, of course,
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diversity is important. Of course it is. And I'm somebody who is very
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much a proponent of having as much diversity as we can in whatever profession it
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is out there. I don't care if you're an accountant. I don't care
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if you know you're a garbage haller. I don't care if you're playing professional
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sports. But I do have a little bit of an issue with this because
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there's a task force. Okay, why doesn't Bud see a leg Why doesn't
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his office, his executive offices just come out and say, you know what
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I am, He's take the initiative. I am going to set up educational
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programming, you know, throughout various schools, in various school districts throughout the
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United States. It's what Major League Baseball is going to do. Why does
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he need a task force to do this? Well? I kind of wonder
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is the goal of this task force? Is it to get players, like
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more more African American players in sport or is it in higher up in you
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know, management, that kind of thing managers. I think it's more just
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the sports, you know. I think it's more the sport it's said,
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and it is a problem. I mean the article that you reference, it
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looked like it said maybe eight percent of you know, professional baseball players are
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African American, which is, you know, way way less than cocasions.
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It's a lois since nineteen fifty. Yeah, lois since nineteen fifty line,
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And you know, a lot has happened with regard to diversity in these decades.
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So, I don't know, I don't know what's your opinion on it.
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Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the task Force simply
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because I think we need more leadership from bud Seal, which I don't think
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we're gonna get anyway. Well, I mean, I mean they they have,
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you know, tried programs in the past, the RBIUM to get baseball
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going in the inner cities. That program, that's a good point, has
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already been implemented. Um. It comes to a point where you wonder how
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much you know you can do. Um. Baseball is a sport that takes
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a little bit of money to get into where it's not available in the inner
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cities. I mean, you have, like basketball, all you need is
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a ball on hoop, that's all you need, right. Um. So
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I think a lot of you know, low income you know areas, they're
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going to gravitate towards that because there's just um, there's less that you have
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to spend and get into it. That's a good point. It really is.
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I mean, you know, maybe bud Seal League throws a few million
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here, a few million there. You know, after a while, it
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adds up to someone. Well, and that's the thing. I would think
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that that was basically what the RBI program does, right. Um. I
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mean I kind of figured that they you know, do sponsorship for teams,
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um, you know, provide equipment, um, things of that nature.
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Uh, those those efforts, I mean, you know, it shows I
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mean there's still not a lot. I mean I look at the Phillies sometimes
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and to me, it seems like they have a lot more of African American
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players than you know, most teams. Absolutely. You know you see it
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with with Don Brown, with Ryan Howard, with Jimmy Rollins, Mayberry.
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Um. So, I mean, but not a lot of not a lot
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of teams are like that. I mean there's uh, there's probably teams out
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there that maybe have one or two and that's about it. It's only about
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eight percent. I mean, yeah, like you said, it's only about
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eight percent, Okay. I mean they need to find other ways to to
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kind of figure out how to get the African American community involved in baseball.
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It's good at done it's good at done. All right. Well, next,
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what we have and what we want to talk about is, uh,
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the NFL and the concussion issue. Um. Just this past week, US
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District court basically delayed a ruling on the National Football League's attempt to dismiss more
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than two hundred cases that were brought believe it or not by nearly four thousand,
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two hundred retired players. So I don't know, Len, what do
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you what do you think about the concussion issue? I mean, I mean,
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do we have to play sides here? I mean, do we got
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to play sides NFL vers um? No? I mean it's it's kind of
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tough because the players have their opinion. They they only know one way to
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play the game right, um, and and that's full out. And you
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can get injured if you, you know, kind of slow up a bit,
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you can injure yourself doing that. Their habitants as a player is doing
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that. So from the player perspective, I understand, um, But also
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from the league perspective, they have to watch out because these lawsuits. I
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mean, it's amazing to think that maybe someday something could take the NFL out
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of business because such a financial monster. But I mean, if all these
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lawsuits keep happening, I mean, yeah, the NFL was they kind of
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have to look out for themselves. They they could stand to lose a lot.
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They're talking about forty two hundred players. I mean that's yeah, that's
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all. I mean that it's a huge number. That's ridiculous. Yeah,
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it really is. But I mean, from my perspective on this, the
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players do know what they're getting into. I mean, they decide that they're
24:18
going to enter the draft or they try obviously they try to be a walk
24:22
on. Uh, but they know what they're getting into. Yeah, and
24:26
you hear you hear players say that. Um, even when they when they
24:30
complain about how they're getting fined for hits or something. I mean that you'll
24:33
hear them say, I know what I'm getting into. I know that.
24:37
You know, I'm going to live X amount of years and that's maybe ten
24:41
or twenty years less than the average person. And I'm okay with that because
24:45
this is going to allow me to set up my family for you know,
24:48
generations down the road. Right. I Mean one of the faces uh this
24:51
past week has been Dorsey Levin's obviously former Green Bay Packer and the former Philadelphia
24:56
Eagle. Yeah, he basically said that he knew there would be some aches
25:00
and pains along the way. But you know, well, he said he
25:04
signed up for it, and that's fine. But not being able to remember
25:10
things in life, not being able to remember two years ago, five years
25:15
ago, ten years ago, he says he didn't sign up for that.
25:18
I think he does have a point there as well. He does, No,
25:21
I'm playing both sides. He does. But it's one of those things
25:22
where you're like, I'm okay, that's going to be an issue someday,
25:26
and I'm not going to worry about it, and you don't worry about it
25:30
until it's time to pay the piper, and then nobody wants to make that
25:33
payment. And that's kind of where that is now. Yep, all right,
25:37
Well next what we have here, and I don't know, this is
25:41
a tough one. Danny Briere Philadelphia Flyers. I mean, I think we're
25:45
going to be seeing the last of Danny Briere. I really do. Would.
25:49
I would definitely agree with that. I believe from the new CBA,
25:53
each team gets two contracts to amnesty, and I think we all know it's
25:59
probably gonna be Brere and Briz Gailov, which I know you're not h you're
26:03
not crying over. He could seriously, he could fall off a ship and
26:08
just into the Atlantic and I'd honestly be fine with it. I actually,
26:14
you know what this year, um, and I'm not you know, gonna
26:15
stick up for him because last year he please, he was an abomination.
26:18
He has played a lot better this year to me, as far as Briz
26:22
Gael played better this year then last year. Absolutely well, yeah then last
26:26
year. But the problem the level of play though, the problem ridiculous with
26:30
the Flyers. And this is something that when when we eventually, you know,
26:34
come June, when the NFL drafted or NHL draft is sorry, we'll
26:38
talk about it, um, because they will have a high pick. They
26:41
need to start getting young defenseman, quality defenseman because they have chemo teaming in
26:48
is hanging on by a thread. Mazarros is always hurt. You have a
26:52
bunch of minor league guys in their Coburns, all right, but yeah,
26:55
I mean they're they're defensive corps. They tried for Shay Webber in the off
26:57
season and it didn't work out, right, Um, that definitely needs an
27:02
upgrade. But as far as Brier, I mean, I will you know,
27:06
I'll miss him. I mean he's a good player. The playoffs,
27:08
well yeah, he always mean he didn't really do much in the regular season
27:11
I mean, coming up huge in the playoffs all the time. Mean,
27:14
who knows when they're going to get back to the playoffs. Well, won't
27:15
be this year and might not be next year. Yeah, I'm not expecting
27:19
it for quite a long period of time. You also have to look at
27:22
the fact that he was a leader in the locker room too, with a
27:25
lot of the young players. And I think with any sport, I don't
27:29
care if it's hockey, I don't care if it's soccer, I don't care
27:30
if it's t ball, I mean you need certain leaders. Sure, I
27:33
don't know about t ball. I don't know why I just said t ball.
27:37
I don't know. I never played t ball. So I played t
27:38
ball. I was Okay, that's embarrassing. You should have gone straight to
27:41
the little league. I really should have. Yeah. So, anyway,
27:45
I think Danny Brier, it's a tough situation and we're gonna see the end
27:48
of his career in Philly. I think, um, yeah, definitely,
27:52
um And you know it is a shame, but I don't really know that
27:56
they have too many older players. To be honest with you, Um,
27:59
I think the Jerry is still out on Cloth Drew as a captain rum because
28:03
I see a lot of games where they're they I hear the seem cool it
28:07
all the time. We didn't play a full sixty minutes. Well, you
28:10
know that's on you guys, absolutely so, and I think it's on Drew
28:15
to an extent. Now. I think he's a fantastic player. I gotta
28:18
tell you, he may not be a guy that's that's soft and material.
28:21
Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't need to cut you out, but not
28:22
playing a full sixty minutes and I know we were gonna just initially talk about
28:26
Brier. But what really pisses me off is the fact that these guys swear
28:30
to God the other team that they're playing, their opponents could be skating in
28:34
mud okay, and they still can't score. And there's absolutely no heart on
28:38
the ice. There isn't no. I don't get it. I really don't
28:41
get and and they admit to the press that's fine, you know, just
28:47
if you acknowledge the problem. That's one thing and it's great if you can
28:51
acknowledge, identify and acknowledge the problem, but if you don't change the behavior,
28:55
who cares? I mean, what's what's the point? Right? And
28:57
I guess you know what. That's gonna lead us right in to the next
29:00
part of the table. Okay, I told you, But we have on
29:04
the table for this episode Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, exactly what what were you
29:10
just talking about? If they've acknowledged the problem for so many years? Andy
29:12
Reid, God bless him. Yeah, but nothing's all Kansas Cities now,
29:17
Dude, you know me, You know me. I was a huge read
29:18
deefender. Yeah. Yeah, you hung on with him way longer than I
29:22
did. I checked out on his UH on his coaching career a long time
29:26
before. You. Well, you know, we we're gonna get into the
29:30
draft here now. We're gonna try to see what's gone on over the course
29:36
of the past few years and then kind of look and see where the Eagles
29:38
are gonna go, you know where. That's what we're gonna try to take
29:41
you guys through. We're gonna try to take you through not just the first
29:45
round and analyze that, but get into the second, third, fourth,
29:48
etc. So, Um, basically, what we're gonna do is just take
29:52
a really short break here and uh and then we'll be back in just a
29:56
second. Okay, And I just want to tell you the music that you
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what you're gonna be listening to for weeks to come is a guy named Dan
30:07
Caravetta. Guy is amazing. Okay, it's a great musician. I like
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it's yeah, especially I mean, if you're a metal fan, it is.
30:15
There's very good riffs in there. So yeah, all right, we'll
30:18
be back in just a second. Okay, enjoy some of mister Dan Caravetta.
30:48
All right. Um, so we're gonna we're gonna get right into the
30:51
table here on the table right now, you're gonna be talking Philadelphia Eagles,
30:56
NFL Draft, and uh, I guess Lynn, why don't we why don't
31:00
we kind of take everybody back a little bit in terms of the first round.
31:03
Okay, I'm gonna have memory lane. Huh Yeah. Honestly, some
31:07
of these are not bad. Well I don't know. Uh yeah, some
31:11
of them aren't bad. But there's one there's one that honestly sticks out at
31:18
me as being Andy Reid's best. Okay, seriously, well there's two I
31:22
should say. Okay, Well, I mean, but first before we actually
31:25
get into Andy Reid's old drafting style and drafting ways, you know, I
31:29
mean, it's important to say that Chip Kelly, this is first draft ever,
31:33
you know, and he needs to make a statement. And I have
31:37
some concerns about what type of statement that he is going to make. Again,
31:41
look at Andy Reid. He picked Donovan McNabb his very first draft,
31:45
second pick overall, you know, and it's gonna take more than one player
31:49
to turn around a four and twelve team. So especially in a sport like
31:53
football where you depend on that many players. This isn't the NBA where if
31:57
you get one superstar you're the playoffs every year. Exactly. You can have
32:00
a superstar quarterback, but if the rest of your team is awful, it's
32:04
not gonna matter exactly. So I mean, let's go I mean, how
32:07
far do you want to go back here? What do you want to do?
32:07
You want to go back? Should we start with the Donovan mcnabbier or
32:12
yeah? Why not? Okay, I mean, obviously we know how valuable
32:15
of a pick that was, And I don't care. I know there's gonna
32:17
be haters out there. I know there's gonna be people saying Donovan stunk,
32:22
you didn't do anything. You know what he actually did, people seriously did.
32:25
He did a lot, and he kept the team. There's a lot
32:30
of areas in his career where he never progressed as a player the way he
32:32
should have. And I had my gripes with him the fact that he kind
32:36
of abandoned the running game when it was a weapon for him and it was
32:39
something that defense has had to account for and and he just took it off
32:44
the table. But you can't deny he's he's the best quarterback in Eagles history.
32:49
He is, absolutely is. I think if you pull the majority of
32:52
the fan base, they'll give you a different ance out I would think.
32:55
So. You know, the balls in the ground that he was throwing towards
32:59
the end of his career, Yes, that was one of the things that
33:00
he never yes fixed it was rough, you know, But like I said,
33:06
he kept the team relevant for a decade, kept the team relevant for
33:09
a decade. Yes, they got to a super Bowl, the one that
33:12
championship, that draft. If you remember, there was a lot of quarterbacks
33:16
taken in the first round and it was a landmine. His Couch was number
33:20
one overall, Achilles Smith was number three overall. Yeah, you had Dante
33:23
Colepepper had a couple good years but then he flamed out. You had Kade
33:27
McNown All those guys were top twenty picks in the draft. So out of
33:30
those five, who would you rather have? Absolutely so, Yeah, all
33:34
those clowns doing nothing, did nothing. Yeah, you know McNab kept him
33:37
relevant. Okay, let's get into the next pick, two thousand Okay,
33:42
I actually liked him, maybe for a year or two, Corey Simon.
33:45
He was serviceable. He wasn't great. Um, I think you know,
33:49
it's tough. You might want a little bit more out of the number six
33:52
pick of the draft. Yeah, but you know he was a serviceable player.
33:55
But the next year two thousand and one, I mean, you can't
33:59
you can't get you can't get any better than this guy. I mean this
34:01
guy, you know he had, he had fake championship belts, he loved.
34:06
Oh he really was. I mean Freddie Mitchell, good old Freddie Mitchell
34:09
from UCLA. Yeah, I don't really, I don't really think we need
34:14
to get too much into his career exactly. If you look at his uh,
34:19
it was just terrible. He was just terrible. The guy had the
34:22
size, but you know what, his attitude just stunk. It really did.
34:25
I got, Okay, the next guy, Like I was saying,
34:29
there's this is the second guy I was talking about that I really think helped
34:32
take the Eagles kind of to the next level, especially from the defensive perspective.
34:37
Uh. Twenty six pick and the two thousand and two draft was Lito
34:39
Shepherd. I mean he was a difference maker. He was a playmaker.
34:44
Yeah. Um, he was one of the better quarterbacks in recent history.
34:47
And if you look at that draft in general, I mean not to get
34:51
off the topic of number one picks, but look at them. The first
34:53
four picks of that draft. You had Lito Shepherd, Michael Lewis who had
34:58
a couple of good years as a safety, Sheldon Brown who was another good
35:00
corner, and then you had Westbrook Rum And I missed those days yea.
35:06
And of the time I remember watching that draft and after the first three picks
35:10
that they made, just thinking what are they only going to address one part
35:15
of the team this year? I mean, you kind of wonder if they're
35:17
doing overload. But I mean, you really can't argue with those picks that
35:21
that uh that Reid made there. I just and well, and I'm going
35:23
to talk about it later, but I love the cornerback picks. That,
35:28
yeah, I love I loved it because you know what, especially these days,
35:31
the league is such a passing league anymore, and cornerback is become is
35:36
going to become a more imperative position, I think down the road, and
35:40
it's one that, um, should we talk about it more in this show?
35:45
Um? I think the Eagles, despite the free agency pickups, still
35:49
need to address they do, they absolutely do. All right, next two
35:52
thousand and three, let's kind of go through these because some of these are
35:54
just two thousand and three. Number fifteen, Jerome McDougall gunshot good old.
36:04
I hear at Jerome McDougal's name, and I just hear a fart sound in
36:07
the background. That's what I hear him. I think we traded up for
36:10
him. I think you're right, which is a disaster. Oh good.
36:15
And then and then we have disaster number two here. Sixteen pick of the
36:21
two thousand and four draft was Sean Andrews. Okay, he was not bad.
36:23
He made a Pro Bowl, right he was. He was a legitimately
36:27
good player. He did make a Pro Bowl. Maybe two, I'm not
36:30
sure. Um, he just became one of those guys that was more interested
36:36
in everything else except for playing his position, his job. Yeah, yeah,
36:42
yeah, Well I think he became big into music and stuff like that.
36:45
And that's right was he was he rapping on stuff. I think he
36:49
was trying to be a producer. It was he I think, So I
36:52
could be wrong, he might be right up he client he really became a
36:57
clown. I'll never forget being up at the Eagles training camp and everybody was
37:00
wondering after he had a great season. He had a great season, everybody's
37:02
wondering, is he gonna I forget what year it was off top of my
37:05
head, but is Sean Andrew's gonna show up? Guy didn't show up.
37:07
He ended up turning out to be a head case. And I thought after
37:12
they picked up his brother, yeah, okay, well they did this to
37:15
kind of maybe get him back in the fold and bust that one. Maybe
37:17
this will this will kind of get him back on track. But it did
37:21
nothing. Nope, Nope, next one, you know what, Mike Patterson
37:23
in two thousand and five that that was a good pick. Yeah, they
37:28
got some, they got some decent and especially you look at where they're picking.
37:30
I mean that was the year after the Super Bowl. Yeah, so
37:35
they're picking thirty first. So at thirty first, you know you're you're not
37:37
going to get an elite, elite level player, right. Um, he
37:42
did a lot of good They got a lot of serviceable years at him.
37:45
So I have no problem with that pick. Fourteenth pick of the two thousand
37:49
and six draft. Now, I gotta tell you I don't. I just
37:52
didn't like it. He was on the team for too many years. Broderick
37:54
Bunkley from Florida State his uh, if I remember correctly, his first year
37:58
was a disaster. The second year he actually played fairly well, and then
38:04
I think they got one good year out of him. I think after that
38:07
he he kind of fell off. He just never seemed to work really hard
38:10
at training camp and all the years that I was going to training camp,
38:13
and by the way, extremely sad about the fact that they're not going to
38:15
be at Lehigh. That's for another time in the show. But you know,
38:17
Bunkley never really Yeah, he just never seemed like he was really working
38:22
hard. He was. He was always yapping on the sidelines with the guys,
38:27
which is fine, you're gonna do that, bar, Yeah, you
38:29
kind of have tomaraderie. I mean yeah, still still, I don't know
38:34
where I'm going with this, to be honest with you, but Bunkley stunk.
38:37
I don't. I don't think I hated even in retrospect, I don't
38:39
think I hated that pick as much as you as you seem to. Yeah,
38:42
I'm not a fan of that pick. Well, we look at two
38:45
thousand and seven. Two thousand and eight, Birds did not have a first
38:47
round draft pick, so let's just go down to two thousand and nine,
38:52
which, okay, maybe three great first first round picks. Jeremy Macklin.
38:57
I mean, the guy is solid, and he's a workhorse. The guy
39:00
is a workhorse. He loves working out in the off season. He really
39:04
does. Yeah, I think he's um. Well, I don't think I'm
39:07
making an earth shattering statement here, but I find him to be a lot
39:10
more dependable than Uh. He doesn't have DeShawn Jackson's ceiling, but he's a
39:15
lot more dependable, I think than DeShawn Jackson. And the attitude too,
39:19
I mean, yeah, you gotta have you know, that's the thing about
39:22
the NFL. You have to have a decent attitude if you are going to
39:25
not only excel at your position, okay, but if you're going to allow
39:30
your team to excel to I mean, DeShawn, I love him, I
39:34
really do. And wide receivers are a different breed to begin with. They're
39:37
they're the prima donnas. I mean you look at guys like him, Guys
39:40
like Terrell Owens, guys like Chad Johnson, who I refer to, I
39:45
refuse to refer to by by his other name that he went with for a
39:47
couple of years. Um, but yeah, oh my god, I almost
39:52
forgot garbage. Wide receivers in general are kind of nuts. But uh yeah,
39:58
and he doesn't take it to that extent that that I think a lot
40:00
of people do. But compared to Maclin, yeah, he's kind of insane.
40:02
Macklin stellar and I you know what, arguably could be the number one
40:07
receiver on the team. I don't know. The guy produces, He's got
40:10
the touchdowns year after a year. I don't know, all right. Twenty
40:15
thirteenth pick Brandon Graham do one of our buddies, one of our buddies,
40:19
Eric he is he could not stand him. Well, believe me. Are
40:24
you not a fan either? No, And it's it's kind of weird.
40:29
I think he had a I mean, he really was showing a lot at
40:30
the end of this year, and I think it's because they kind of gave
40:32
him a little leeway. I do agree with you, and I think that
40:36
he has the opportunity because I think they're really going to expand his role.
40:39
I think he's going to have every opportunity to prove that he's not a bust.
40:45
But to me, he's a bust. And I'm gonna tell you why
40:47
they traded up for that pick they did At the time, they needed a
40:51
safety, and I said, this is awesome. They're gonna get Earl Thomas,
40:54
who's now a great safety in Seattle. Yeah, and they took him.
40:59
Not only did they pass on Old Thomas, but a couple of picks
41:01
later was Jason Pierre Paul. So if you wanted a defensive end, you
41:06
could have had Jason Pierre Paul. So to me, the thing with Brandon
41:09
Graham isn't so much what he's done what he hasn't done, but who we
41:14
could have had. And I know you can do the hindsight thing with literally
41:16
any draft pick, but this one really hurts. And when you look at
41:21
the Eagles secondary, they could have had ear Old Thomas. I really think
41:25
that this pick set the Eagles defense back a little bit. I would make
41:30
a couple of years. Yeah, so he's he's on the hot seat as
41:34
far as I'm concerned. He really needs to bring it this year. He's
41:37
got a lot of versatility and I think he's gonna show that this year.
41:39
I'm holding out hope and I actually think I'm I'll say this and I might
41:43
get crucified later, but I'm high on him. I am. Hey,
41:46
Look, I hope you're right. I root for the team too, so
41:50
I genuinely hope you're right. Um, I know you're gonna crucify if Yeah,
41:55
if he stinks, yeah, I'll be all over you. But um,
41:59
I mean he's he's also facing a log jam and this is something that
42:01
we may talk about when we get into um this year's draft prospects. But
42:06
with the switch to a three four, you know, if you look at
42:07
him, you've got him there as an outside linebacker now because I think he's
42:13
too small to play d end I think, so, um, you've got
42:15
Trent Cole, you signed Connor Barwin, you have Vinny Curry. Still,
42:19
it's tough to know what this scheme is gonna look like, and then they
42:21
might draft somebody. So right, okay, all right, twenty eleven,
42:24
This, this Danny Watkins pick just stinks in a row of boy And it's
42:30
Howie too, isn't it? How how we did? How we do the
42:32
Danny Watkins pick? Well, according to Howie, uh, this year coming
42:37
up is going to be the first draft that he had that he has control
42:39
over. Right, He he had a lot of say though I think didn't
42:44
he have a lot to say in the Danny Watkins pick? Or was that
42:45
mainly read? It's it's hard to say. Um, I have a tough
42:50
time believing that Reid didn't have final say in any pick up until this year.
42:53
So I actually kind of do believe Roseman to an extent, right,
42:58
But it just struck me as funny that, Um, not long after Reid
43:01
was fired, he Roseman pretty much came out and said that was all Andy
43:07
stuff. Those are his drafts. Okay, Well, I mean and then
43:09
last year we had Fletcher Cox, which they traded up for. I like
43:14
it too. I like him. Um, dude's gonna be great. I
43:16
think he Um, you know, he was drafted as a defensive tackle.
43:21
I think with the switch to three four, Um, you know, you
43:23
want your ends in a three four to be a little bit bigger. So
43:25
I think you're going to see him move out the defensive end. I don't
43:30
think he's gonna be a Broderick Bunkley type. I really don't. I know,
43:32
he's technically a d tackle. I don't think he's going to be that
43:36
broad Rick Bunkley. I think we're going to see production out of him in
43:37
the years to come. Yeah. Now, I'm I'm actually pretty high on
43:40
on Fletcher Cox. I mean, Danny Watkins, He's another guy I think,
43:45
like like Brandon Graham, He's a lot to prove this year, and
43:47
I think this is his last chance because I I have expected him to be
43:52
gone during the off season. I was pretty surprised he's still on the team.
43:55
He was his ass off I lee high. He worked asshof. You
44:00
should have seen him out there, seriously, he worked as asshole. I
44:02
mean you you went there a lot more than I ever. Ye. So
44:06
yeah, loved it up there, taking the kids up there. Family had
44:10
It's heartbreaking. It's stinks, it really does. Honestly, I don't know.
44:14
I don't know if I'm gonna go down deal with Broad Street stuff just
44:17
for training camp. Yeah, what's the setup gonna be? Likeright, we'll
44:22
get into that. Yeah, we'll get into that later. Okay, let's
44:23
talk about the draft. Can't believe it. Cannot believe it's a couple of
44:28
days away. Seriously, it seems like super Bowl Champs Ravens just seems like
44:32
it was just last week. Anyway. Um, like I said, you
44:36
know, Chip Kelly's first draft, He's really going to have to make an
44:40
impact with this, and not just not just for the team, He's got
44:44
to make an impact with the fans too. He needs to change the direction.
44:49
I think he's already doing it. So you want to see flash out
44:52
of this first round pick? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
44:54
Or here's what? Here's this the first round pick? I want vision him,
45:00
That's what I want. I want vision. I want something long term.
45:04
Okay, Okay, so let's talk about what they need. They need
45:07
offensive lineman right, they need a corner back, they need a safety,
45:13
wide receiver, and you know, I argue that they do need a running
45:16
back in a quarterback. Okay, why don't Why don't I just say they
45:19
need every freaking position on the team. From that, I think you've you've
45:22
covered them all. But uh, I mean running back. I maybe late
45:25
round, we'll get into it. Yeah, I mean we'll get into a
45:29
running back. That any running back that they draft is going to be purely
45:31
deaf because I think between um Shady and Bryce Brown, I think you're looking
45:37
at their at their two their you know, because pretty much everybody in the
45:40
NFL goes with a two back system these days. Right, Anybody who has
45:43
a fantasy team can attest to that. Um, I mean everybody, hopefully
45:49
everybody knows is listening. Is that Dion lois gone? Yes, done in
45:52
trade this past manual. He's a linebacker, so I guess he's in the
45:57
they're bringing him into compete. Yeah, he'll probably be a special teams guy.
46:00
Yeah, so let's go. If you want to, Lenn, why
46:02
don't we just kind of go through our picks. Yeah, I'm brown by
46:06
Brown, I'm interested to um see who um now, honestly, gun to
46:10
your head, who do you think that they take? UM for with the
46:14
number four pick? Who do I think they take? Or who do I
46:15
want them to? Do you think they take? I think they take Eric
46:19
Fisher? Yeah, give me both. Now who do you want them to
46:22
take? D Milliner? Okay, I really do you know what? All
46:23
right? D Milliner, It's what I talked about, you know, just
46:28
a few minutes ago with the Lito Shepherd pick Sheldon Brownpett in this division.
46:34
Okay, you have Eli Manning, you have Tony Romo, you know,
46:37
guy guy can be inconsistent at times. Yeah, you know. And you
46:40
have which is arguably going to be the guy who eats up the Eagles for
46:45
the next decade with um RG three. Yeah, okay, we need solid
46:52
cornerbacks and we do not have them. And the busts of the past couple
46:57
years that needs to be rectified. We need another leader Shepherd, we need
47:00
another Bobby Tailor, you know, we need another Troy Vincent type. I
47:05
do think de Milliner is that person. I really do. I I would
47:09
agree with that um I personally, I do agree with you that I do
47:14
think that they go Eric Fisher. Uh number four overall, and I understand
47:17
I would be happy with with Um with either Fisher or a Milliner. Those
47:22
are probably my top two guys at this point. And I'll say this,
47:23
I think Fisher, if you're looking for a vision and a long term pick,
47:28
I think he fits that bill because you have Jason Peters Um who is
47:31
great um but you know he's coming off, and Achilles and he's a big
47:36
him. And Todd Harriman's too, don't Harman's is getting old? Yeah,
47:38
So I mean you need to protect your quarterback, especially you know in a
47:42
system where you know the quarterback may be moving around a little bit more than
47:45
than usual. But we can't have our secondary getting eaten up like it has
47:47
been. We really did we had, And I get who are the top
47:51
corners whilst they were supposedly it's pick your poison, Yeah, I think,
47:54
I mean, which which direction do you want to go? I would be
47:59
fine with either direction that they went there. Okay? Could d Milliner be
48:02
somebody who's a leader in the locker room down the road? Who knows?
48:05
But you know, I don't know enough about him as a person. I
48:08
mean, I know he's got good size. I know that he ran like
48:12
a four to three seven if the combine forty time. He seems to be,
48:15
you know, a good cover corner, so he'll definitely get you what
48:20
you need. As far as locker room presence, I don't know whether he
48:22
brings that or not, right, I don't know. I'm hoping it's d
48:25
Milliner. I got a feeling and that it's going to be Eric Fisher if
48:30
if dude, if they go, Geno Smith, if they go, he's
48:34
the one guy I don't want. I don't want them to do it.
48:36
And I'm concerned due to the cap room they have because you know, I
48:39
mean, we're gonna learn a lot from Chip Kelly on this first pick.
48:43
We really are well, and it's at least it's something different. I mean,
48:46
if we were you know, the last couple of years of the read
48:49
regime to me work groundhog Day, you knew what you were going to get.
48:52
Um nothing, nothing was going to change. So this is at least
48:58
different. Okay, this is a different regime. They're gonna take things,
49:00
you know, possibly in a different direction. Maybe they won't, but at
49:04
least it's something where you kind of have to sit back a little bit and
49:07
go all right, Well, Let's see what these guys are gonna do,
49:08
right, Okay, I mean who do you have for the second round?
49:12
Who do you have? Okay, who do you have them taking? Who
49:15
would you like them to take? I mean, for me, like I
49:19
said, I hope they take d Milliner. If they were to take D
49:21
Milliner in the first I have them taking obviously an offensive lineman in the second
49:24
round. I'm hoping Brendan Williams from North Carolina, guy six foot six,
49:30
three hundred and eighteen pounds, or the another offensive tackle, Lane Johnson from
49:35
Oklahoma. He's six six, three h three. I got news for you,
49:37
Lane Johnson ain't ain't making it out of the top ten. He's he's
49:42
already allowed them out. Really have him going at seven, is he?
49:45
Yeah? Lane Johnson is a guy that is in the running for the number
49:51
four pick. Okay, Yeah, I missed that. Yeah, everything I've
49:54
seen, um well, I completely missed it. I mean, look,
50:00
it's a it's a mock draft, and you could read fifty mock drafts and
50:02
get fifty different opinions. I'm sure there are people that that have him,
50:07
um, you know, outside of the top ten. But I guarantee he
50:09
goes in the first round unless he you know, knocks over a convenience store
50:14
between now and the draft. Um. Actually, uh, I think um
50:20
one in the second round. I mean if they if they go with Milliner
50:23
in the UH in the first uh and they wanted to go offensive tackle.
50:28
Um. There's a guy at a Florida State Meteick Watson who um is.
50:30
I'm starting to see him go up into maybe the laid half of the first
50:34
round, but at least there's a chance he might be there in the second.
50:37
Um. I think he's a guy that you may be looking at in
50:39
the second round. Um. If they don't get him, um, it
50:45
would be a great pick. I do think it would be a good pick
50:46
if they were to go Fisher first round, then second round. I'm a
50:51
little bit scared that they might go EJ. Manuel Who I'm He's a quarterback
50:53
who you know, seems to fit Kelly's system. I'm not too high on
50:58
him apparent. I watched the ESPN the gruten um shows that he does with
51:01
all the quarterbacks rum and he was getting on manual for his He kind of
51:06
carries the ball around like a loaf of bread, so he's probably prone to
51:09
fumbles. I don't know about his accuracy. I gotta tell you right now.
51:13
I hope they don't take a quarterback. I hope they don't take a
51:16
quarterback. Would be that I would be completely fine with that. I think
51:20
it'd be a waste of a pick. I really do. Yeah. I
51:22
would like to see them um with that second round pick. UM. I
51:27
would like to see them address the secondary. UM. I think Eric Reid
51:31
at LSU is a safety. He's a guy that that is going to be
51:35
around. You're going to have a few options there. UM. One thing
51:37
that I would consider, UM, especially if you could get it, because
51:43
apparently this you know, draft has some depth to it is there's there are
51:47
teams out there that need offensive line help that won an offensive tackle that would
51:52
be willing to move up into the eagle spot. You might be able to
51:54
flip flop. And I'm looking at um San Diego at eleven and Miami at
51:59
twelve, where if you can flip flip flap spots in first round, yeah,
52:02
first round here and and get a second round pick as well, because
52:06
then you're still drafting at eleven or twelve, Well, yeah you can.
52:09
You can still get a good player. I see where you're coming from,
52:13
and I see where you're coming from. Pick. I just it's not like
52:16
you're you're moving from four to like twenty four. I mean, it's you
52:20
know, there's a certain it's not even ten spots. I don't know.
52:22
Maybe maybe I'm thinking, maybe I'm thinking childish about this, but there's a
52:27
certain excitement also about the fourth pick. Absolutely, you're talking logical, but
52:31
no, believe, I understand where you're coming from, because if you look
52:34
at the Phillies draft coming up, they have the sixteenth pick. I can't
52:37
remember the last time they actually had a first round pick right right like in
52:39
the in the top twenty. So believe I can't wait for the Major League
52:43
Baseball Draft for the same reason. There is something about having a high pick
52:46
that you know, you get excited about. So I get it, yeah
52:50
and in a yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I hope
52:55
they don't I hope they take d Milliner fourth pick. Um, I don't
53:00
know. I do like your second round picks, though, I think their
53:01
second round picks are pretty solid right there. I think it would be a
53:05
lot of help getting into the third round. Do you want to go third
53:07
round? Now? Um? I I would really like to see them get
53:13
a nose tackle here. Yeah, that's I mean, that's I I like
53:17
Isaac Uh soap How do you say his last name? I have no I
53:22
think it's soapoaga. I'm like pronouncing him as the letters come, and I
53:27
could be totally off there. I mean, it seems like the guy,
53:29
too many vows might be past his prime. You know, he only played
53:32
in thirty one percent of the snaps, you know, twenty twelve last year.
53:37
I really would like to see him get John Jenkins, you know,
53:40
yeah, and athletic. It's uh, it's funny that you mentioned that name,
53:45
because when I was writening up my article today. Uh, he is
53:49
a guy that that stood out to me. He's like three hundred and fifty
53:52
pounds. He's a beat. He is what you think of when you think
53:54
of three four nose tackles exactly. He's a big guy, and he takes
53:58
up space. And I actually, in the scenario that I mentioned to you,
54:01
where the Eagles happen to get like a trade down to get a second
54:05
round pick, he's a guy I'm looking at with my second second round pick.
54:07
Okay, all right, I'm hoping he's there in a third. I'm
54:10
not sure if he will be, but um, yeah, I agree with
54:13
you on a nose tackle. You know, I wouldn't have a problem with
54:15
it. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with John Jenkins. Jonathan Hankins
54:21
out of Ohio State is another nose tackle. He's I think goes about between
54:25
three twenty and three twenty five. They're gonna need a nose tackle long term.
54:30
They're really will Isaac. You know, it was a good pick up
54:31
and he is. He's a good player and he's gonna see some time with
54:35
the Eagles. I think that they do nose tackle by committee. Um,
54:37
I think they rotate these guys in and out. You have him, you
54:40
have Antonio Dixon, and I think that they're gonna pick somebody up in the
54:45
draft, and I think those three guys you're going to see him rotate.
54:49
Right It's gonna be a lot of trial, trial and error, I think
54:51
this year. I mean, I know we're talking about the NFL, we're
54:53
talking about a professional sports team, but there's gonna be a lot of trial
54:55
and error or right, just I mean just in terms of time right here,
54:59
because I know we do you want to kind of get into the Phillies
55:00
a little bit. Here. We're at about almost at thirty eight thirty nine
55:07
forty minutes here. So okay, um, fourth round, I have him
55:10
taken another offensive lineman. I mean, we're talking about offensive linemen. They're
55:14
deep in this draft. Kyle Long from Oregon, I mean, and he's
55:20
he's Chip Kelly guy. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see,
55:22
um, Chip Kelly take some at least one of his former players.
55:28
Um. I don't think he'll be there at number four, but if Deon
55:30
Jordan is there at four, you might see the Eagles go after him.
55:34
Um, I doubt Deon Jordan's going to be there for I don't think he
55:37
will be there. I'm just throwing it out. Yeah, but um,
55:39
yeah, yeah I could. I would have no problem with that. He's,
55:43
uh, who do you have for fourth or for the fourth round?
55:46
H Are you thinking it's so tough? I mean you can't really, it's
55:51
project who's gonna be there at that point? The hell I was I was
55:54
thinking maybe I was looking at another safety Tony Jefferson Okay, Oklahoma. Maybe
56:00
somebody like Barrett Jones who will give you offensive line depth he's very versatile.
56:06
Um he played guard and center for the Alabama championship teams. Yeah, so
56:09
he's a guy that you can look at for a couple different spots on the
56:12
line. I don't have anybody at safety going in my in my picks.
56:15
I probably should have, I really, because I mean they need it.
56:17
I mean, Patrick Chung he's only going to do so much. So anyway,
56:22
Well, and the other guy they picked up, Kenny Phillips, is
56:27
a guy that I've always liked, but apparently he has, you know,
56:30
an issue staying on the field. So if he can't stay healthy, yeah,
56:31
they are going to need somebody to step in. Yeah, and looks
56:35
like they've soured on Nate Allen justifiably so. But in disappointment. I was
56:38
high on him. I was too, I really really was happy with that
56:42
pick. But yeah, all right, fifth round, you know what,
56:45
I have him actually going another offensive lineman, I mean, because we have
56:50
an old offensive line. Well, Peters and Harriman's obviously, and anyway,
56:54
Hugh Thomas is who I have them taking. I mean the Eagles. He's
57:00
got experience in both garden tackle and that's what I like. But he's going
57:02
to require a lot more development. Um, he's got poor footwork unfortunately,
57:07
but the guy is versatile, and that's what they're gonna need. I think
57:10
that's what Chip Kelly's gonna need. Yeah, um, I would agree with
57:15
that. I think you could see them, um just stock up on on
57:17
depth at offensive line or even a couple of positions for that matter. Yeah.
57:22
Um, I'm not too Again, I didn't look too far out into
57:25
like the fifth round to see who they might take, but uh, yeah,
57:30
I think at that point you're looking at depth picks in the draft.
57:32
All right, Um, let's uh, let's get into the sixth round here,
57:38
Okay, I've got him taking an outside linebacker, Ty Powell. This
57:42
guy, this guy, I was looking looking him up a little bits from
57:45
Harding University. Dude, it's it's like north of Little Rock, Arkansas.
57:52
And uh, if the guy does get picked, which I think he will,
57:54
he's he's gonna be making history as the first player ever drafted out of
57:59
Harding and third years. So, I mean, the guy's got he's got
58:02
a lot of speed. The guy's got some versatility as well. I can
58:06
play outside linebacker, you play, you can play inside as well. So
58:10
we just need linebacker help. Yeah, we have and we have for a
58:14
long time. Absolutely. Um. I think that they may look at um
58:19
tight ends as well. UM. I know that Chip Kelly is a huge
58:22
fan of using tight ends. They picked up Casey. Um, they have
58:24
Harbor, they have Selcum, but they might they might look at at somebody
58:28
young to bring in. Um, who do you have in case? Um?
58:31
I was looking at the tight end Dion Sims out of Michigan State.
58:37
Um. And you know, I think a lot of them, the best
58:40
tight ends are going to be off the board by then. But you know,
58:44
UM, at that point, I think you're just kind of looking for
58:46
bodies, right right. I mean in the last round, the seventh round,
58:51
they got two seventh round picks? No, they got four? Do
58:53
they have four? Yeah? What the hell have I've been doing? I
58:57
looked, actually, you know what I thought they had picked. And that's
59:00
why I kind of I kind of blanked a little bit when Um, when
59:04
you mentioned the sixth round. People aren't going to listen to this now.
59:07
I know, right, hey gonna be like, who are these clowns?
59:09
I don't know how any picks the Eagles. That's why we have post production.
59:12
That is true. But actually, um, when I looked it up
59:15
earlier today, I was looking at the at the picks um on ESPN dot
59:17
com. Rounds one through five they have one pick in of those rounds.
59:22
Sixth round they have none. Um, seventh round they have four, right,
59:24
um, because that's I mean, according to Andy, that's how you
59:29
build championships. Six and I didn't realize it was all right, well,
59:31
I think one or two of them might be like a compensation pick because there's
59:35
a bunch of those that are stacked up at the end of that round.
59:37
Okay, I mean I got him taking a wide receiver and a running back.
59:39
I think they're we we need a tall wide receiver, and we got
59:45
Riley Cooper. But I'll tell you right now, he's really not I mean,
59:47
come on, get what about didn't they pick up a guy A really
59:52
is Ben I believe from Tampa Bay on a promise there. Yeah, he
59:57
wants to make an impact. I think that m he's somebody that that you
1:00:00
might see come in and making a pack because they do have some depth there.
1:00:04
They have, um, you know, they have Deshaun, they have
1:00:07
Macklin, they have a Vant who's a good slot receiver, right Riley Cooper
1:00:09
will get another shot to be that that big red zone guy. Um Maaris
1:00:14
Johnson, you still have left over Marvin McNutt from Iowa. Um, you
1:00:19
had yeah. So I mean and then you have Ben So. I mean
1:00:22
I think a team typically carries what five receivers typically? So I mean so
1:00:28
yeah, I mean yeah, if you can upgrade it wide receiver, go
1:00:30
for it. Um. I don't know that it's as immediate to need as
1:00:34
some other position. What do you want, um, I would like to
1:00:37
see uh, I mean I like to focus on the area's need. I
1:00:42
mean I want to see offensive line. I want to see secondary. I
1:00:45
want to see um, interior, defensive line. Um, you know,
1:00:47
linebackers. If you want to get a reserve, what if in in well
1:00:52
they don't have a sixth round pick, but maybe in the fifth round,
1:00:54
do you take a flyer on homer pick? But maldi, I mean leadership.
1:01:00
I mean obviously there's the injury. I think he'll be gone. Honestly,
1:01:02
I think he'll be gone by the seventh. Yeah, I kind of
1:01:06
yeah, by the seventh, I definitely think so. UM, I think
1:01:07
I think fourth at late fourth, fifth round, I think you make fifth,
1:01:12
maybe sixth latest. Um. But but yeah, I mean you're gonna
1:01:15
get the leadership there. I think you're gonna get production if he can just
1:01:17
stay on the field and pretty healthy. Absolutely looking at a defensive captain there.
1:01:22
All right, well you know what that's that's our picks right there.
1:01:25
So what we're gonna do now, I think is, uh, you know,
1:01:30
we've we've gone, We've gone well over into the forty so minutes or
1:01:32
so, and um, you know, I think I think actually we might
1:01:37
end it right here. Okay, why don't we Why don't we talk Philly,
1:01:39
Philadelphia, Phillies next next podcast? What do you think that works for
1:01:44
me? Hopefully they'll they'll win a couple of games here and get you a
1:01:46
little higher than you currently are because I know you're you're you're probably a lot
1:01:51
more down on him than I him at this point. Yeah, I'm happy
1:01:52
about Kyle Kendrick. For God's sake. There's a problem. I mean,
1:01:55
he's actually hasn't performed as well as I would have hoped to start the other
1:02:00
but holiday look good his most recent status, So yes, so did Hammills.
1:02:04
I Mean, I know it was against the Marlins, but you know
1:02:06
it's getting there. It's getting there. It might it might just be shaking
1:02:08
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1:02:29
Yeah. When now we we're recording this on a Tuesday night, when will
1:02:32
you have this up? I'm hoping to have it up by Wednesday, by
1:02:36
tomorrow, so then I hope, hopefully this will be a thing like we
1:02:38
uh you know, we have on a regular schedule and uh we've recorded Tuesdays
1:02:43
and posted Wednesdays. Al Right, it sounds good, all right man,
1:02:45
So uh, everybody take care and we'll see you laid all right, see next week