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Gary McKibben: Resist The Devil, Trust God's Sovereignty In Life’s Trials · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to Worldview Matters.
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  Discussing controversial issues.
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  Discerning current events.
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  Defending biblical Christianity.
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  Off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazzo.
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  Brothers and sisters in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode.
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  My favorite pastor from Ireland, from Belfast, is back with us, Pastor Gary McKibben.
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  I want to give the websites before we get into a very important topic on spiritual warfare, not giving the enemy a foothold and just resisting him.
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  When we have trials and things, we tend to be overwhelmed or discouraged.
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  The enemy will try to use that.
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  So we're going to talk about a very important thing, what's going on in our lives.
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  But VictoryChurchBelfast.com.
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  VictoryChurchBelfast.com.
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  I also want to direct you to his sub stack, which is Pastor Gary McKibben.
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  On Substack, his Facebook page is the church name, Victory Church Belfast, and don't miss his YouTube channel, Pastor Gary McKibben at Victory.
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  So it's P-R, Gary McKibben at Victory.
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  Brother, thank you so much for your time and for connecting with us today.
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  You too, and thanks for having me back on, David.
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  You're most welcome.
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  I'm interested to see how this conversation goes today.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you know, Holy Spirit's going to lead, right?
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  Yeah.
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  But you've been busy.
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  You've been writing.
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  You've been preaching at church.
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  I'm sure you've got a lot of ministry going on there at your church, but you're also getting ready to unleash a brand new book within the next couple months.
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  Tell us about that.
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  Yeah, so I've been writing this book called Echoes of the Beast.
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  And the concept behind it is that if we look how history parallels with Scripture, and basically if we go right back to the beginning, we can see the echo of the end.
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  And the closer we get to the end, how that becomes clearer, the voice becomes clearer, the system that has developed...
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  basically the beast system, becomes a clearer example the closer we get to the end.
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  You know, we talk about things like the 10 Kings system, we talk about how that is being modeled right now by the technocratic group Praxis that Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, JD Vance and all are involved with.
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  that they're building their first city, Atlas, or they're looking to build their first city, Atlas, in California.
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  That is a throwback to Plato's writings of the Ten Kings of Atlantis, and they're looking to develop the technocratic system.
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  So we talk about all this stuff in the book and how it gets clearer, but it's also...
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  It's also, it's not just what is unfolding prophetically, but also how we as Christians stand in these times, because spiritual warfare, persecution, tribulation, I believe we all see that.
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  I don't believe we see the great tribulation, but we all see, or maybe on a personal or corporate level, are experiencing some extent of that right now.
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  Wow, it sounds wonderful.
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  So we will have you back, Lord willing, in a couple months, whenever that's getting ready to be released, and we'll talk about the book.
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  You've also got a conference coming to your church, and a couple friends of the podcast, along with yourself, are going to be there.
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  Pete Garcia, Alex Newman, the Alex Newman, and Gary Wayne.
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  Tell us about the Last Days Conference, brother, and will that be live-streamed?
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  Yes, it will.
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  It may be live streamed.
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  We're still making this decision because of the laws here right now.
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  So there are certain laws coming in in terms of YouTube and censorship in the UK.
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  And that applies to where we are in Northern Ireland.
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  So if it's not live streamed, it will be.
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  uploaded shortly after.
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  So because I'm not sure what everybody's going to say, in fact, I think we may be censored on what I'm going to say.
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  So we're trying to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as dogs with this.
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  Isn't that frustrating?
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  I mean, it's frustrating to me.
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  I've had videos pulled off YouTube, still have a channel, but the powers that be declare what violates community standards.
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  And over there, we're not familiar with maybe the kind of laws you guys have.
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  Is there less of a tolerance to biblical Christianity?
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  Yeah, I would say so.
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  And there's less of a tolerance on major subjects.
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  So for instance, if I talk about Islam and things like that, and how that interacts with Christianity in the West, you could, well, on the lesser extent, you'll receive some sort of censorship or a ban.
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  On the larger extent, you could have someone visit your
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  premises or knock on your door, someone from the authorities.
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  So again, it's a wisdom call.
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  We want to get the stuff out, but it might not be live.
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  Okay.
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  Well, that gives people a good idea of information that needs to get out there.
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  And the enemy, the enemy is behind this.
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  It is part of spiritual warfare, silencing the truth.
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  But we're going to talk a little bit about that when we jump into your article, Open Doors.
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  And I want to mention, I already mentioned your Facebook page.
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  Great.
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  Anything else before we jump in, Gary?
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  Because I'm excited to see what God's going to do with this topic.
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  You ready?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm ready.
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  Okay, I love the first scripture, Ephesians 4.27.
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  I quote this a lot because I seem to remember the word foothold.
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  I look at that as don't give the devil or don't give the enemy any ground.
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  And there's a word topos or topography.
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  But we're going to talk about how...
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  We sometimes do give the devil a foothold, but this whole article, just give us an overview before we dive in and just take some of the points you're going through and we'll just walk through it.
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  Yeah, of course.
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  So I believe that as a Christian, we are...
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  on the dartboard of the enemy, and we are targets.
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  And as such, he is always looking for a foothold.
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  Now, if we look at that in terms of demonology, there's a demon that is correlated with scripture called Baal Flagor, mentioned in Psalm 91, also a transliteration of Baal of Peor of Numbers 25.
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  It's one of the ways in which the enemy gets a foothold.
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  This is called the demon of the gap.
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  create a gap.
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  And that can be through any sort of scenario.
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  It can be through a circumstance.
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  It can be through tribulation or persecution.
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  And what I cover in this article is the recent prognosis that we've been given from my wife.
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  So she has a genetic condition in terms of her vision.
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  And we've noticed for the last
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  lot of years, a major deterioration.
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  We noticed things around the house, you know, bumping into things, breaking glasses.
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  And we also noticed that she had already instinctively developed coping mechanisms.
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  You know, she can't pour herself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea without burning herself.
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  So she's developed coping mechanisms for that.
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  And I realized that certainly as our walk in ministry, there's been
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  many a strategy against us spiritually, but one of the major strategy patterns that I've noticed is that us as a family tend to be attacked and the attack intensifies very much in, in, in, in line with my wife.
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  So the prognosis is that she's losing her sight and she's scheduled, well, we've got an upcoming discussion,
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  double cornea transplant in the hope that that will restore some site or at least stop further deterioration.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  In regards to all of this, I noticed the strategy and the pattern of things.
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  I remember when she was in an accident, a car accident, and how there was a spiritual attack that sort of overlaid from that.
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  I remember when she had a severe allergic reaction, she went into anaphylaxis.
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  And off the back of that, she developed a condition where her body was covered in 70% of burns.
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  And then the spiritual attack happened.
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  Continued on from that.
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  And what I mean by that is that for me in my life, before I was walking with the Lord, I'd always put my wife on a pedestal.
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  And don't get me wrong, I believe that we still honor our spouses, but I put her on such a pedestal that she was above everything.
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  She was above my relationship with God.
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  Even at that point, it wasn't really a relationship with God.
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  And then whenever I came into that relationship with Jesus Christ and I, I realized that what he was doing was bringing her off the pedestal.
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  And I actually, my love for her increased.
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  Because she could never, when someone's on a pedestal, they're always going to fall.
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  They're always going to find that they never live up to the standards that you put them on.
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  But in Isaiah 25, verse 4, there's a scripture that tells us that the blast of the terrible ones blows against the walls.
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  Now, this sort of hits to me that in Isaiah 26, verse 2, we're told that our salvation is like walls.
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  So I picture it like we're behind a structure, say a house.
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  But what happens is that anything that we put up above the parapet, above the walls, is going to be blasted without storms.
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  And that's an access for an open door.
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  So the strategy that I noticed with Kelly, my wife, is that
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  you know, it wasn't just the one thing that happened.
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  There was, this was kind of the open door.
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  You know, I would see her go through something.
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  And I think most of us, and I know you can relate, would rather it was us than a loved one.
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  You know, you, you care so much.
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  And I think that sometimes it's harder to watch the one that you love suffer than it is for you to experience suffering.
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  And,
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  I realized that this is the open door, you know, that this is an, a strategy of attack.
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  Whenever I've seen her attacked, I can then relate that there's going to be a continued, um, onslaught because the enemy doesn't attack you in singular fashion.
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  Instead, what he likes to do is overload your plate.
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  And one of the things I liken it to when I was a teenager, um,
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  I worked part-time in a hotel as a waiter, and I was the worst waiter you could ever imagine.
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  I got told off because it was a fancy hotel, but I was coming from school and I was eating off the plates.
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  Or I got told off because I'm watching everybody.
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  And you know how they...
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  A great waiter will put a plate here, plate here, plate here, and they carry all of these plates out.
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  And then they would tell me off because I'm carrying one just like this.
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  And I realized that that relates to our spiritual life, that the enemy wants to overload you so that you are carrying all of these things.
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  But 1 Peter 5, 7 says, cast your curse upon the Lord.
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  Amen.
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  Now, if you take that in connotation with 1 Peter 5, 8, that says the enemy walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
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  I put the two together and I think, well, hermeneutically speaking, he's going to devour those that are trying to carry the struggle on their own.
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  You know, when my wife got her diagnosis or prognosis of what was the likely outcome here, the next thing I know, we had a business issue come up that was quite harsh.
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  And then we had some family things and then we had some issues with relationships with friends or whatever.
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  And all of these different things come up at once.
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  And then it was the funny thing.
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  It was the inconsequential thing that for me, you know, it's probably about the 15th thing on top of the plate.
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  But it was the inconsequential thing for me that I saw as the her that broke the camel's back.
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  And it was literally I was putting up a mirror.
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  drilled in, hit a heat in like an oil pipe, and oil started squirting out of the... Oh my goodness.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was kind of going, oh, can anything else go wrong?
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  Because all of this is in the space of a couple of days.
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  And, you know, I'm worried about my wife.
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  And then you have ministerial things where people are just, I think when you're in ministry, sometimes people...
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  They don't see it.
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  Sometimes you're not seen as being human.
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  And sometimes people just want an answer for their issue.
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  And we're getting hit with all of this.
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  And I just felt completely.
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  Heavy, like over, like just, you know, Lord, I just need a break.
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  I just need a minute.
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  And it was actually turning to Kelly and I'm listening to her.
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  And she says to me, no, the Lord is telling us to die to our flesh.
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  And I went, yeah, but I'm cross, I'm angry, I'm frustrated.
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  And she says, exactly.
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  We're to die to our flesh.
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  We're not to be cross.
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  We're not to be angry.
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  We're not to be frustrated.
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  And I'm then thinking, well, you're the one going through this, and here's me unable to cope.
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  And so the article that I wrote was based on this, the idea that.
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  I think that the enemy looks for a certain way in with each and every one of us.
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  And the strategy ends not to differ that much.
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  So the strategy pre me coming to a relationship with Jesus continued, has continued since then.
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  It's the same way, you know, attack my wife, attack a loved one, and then overload his plate till he thinks he can't cope anymore.
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  And, and,
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  it's been amazing.
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  You know, one of the things that I realized in the midst of this is that, you know, I've been crying.
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  I just need a minute to breathe.
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  I just need a minute to process.
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  I just need a minute to figure things out, but to actually listen to Kelly, who's been turning around and saying, it's okay.
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  What else does God want us to do?
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  What else do we need to do for ministry?
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  And I'm literally, I went back about half an hour from taking a funeral.
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  And,
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  It's it's and she was with me and it's watching the witness of someone else that sometimes encourages us.
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  And I think this is this is also sometimes why you're in a relationship, you have a spouse is that you're you're partners in that and.
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  Like I said, I think that this strategy is not unique to me, not unique to individuals.
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  I think the same strategy is applied across the board.
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  Attack a loved one.
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  Make the individual shake and tremble.
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  and then see if they stand in the process.
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  And I'm reminded of Hebrews 12, 25 and 26, that says that in the end, talking about the end times, there will be a great shaking, a shaking of heaven and off earth.
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  But we're to hold on to that which remains.
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  And I am so thankful in the midst of any spiritual battle I've been in, Kelly's been the one that says, right, go read, go pray, go worship.
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  Go read, go pray, go worship.
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  And yeah, so that's the overview of the article.
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  So...
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  Okay, there's a lot I want to follow up on.
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  First of all, perspective.
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  We all go through this.
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  Some people maybe haven't yet, but you will if you live long enough.
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  Your wife's name is Kelly.
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  I want to encourage our audience listening and watching to pray for Pastor Gary and his wife, Kelly.
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  It's a hard trial for anyone to go through.
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  and especially if you're in ministry, because you will get hit harder.
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  And I want to just review a couple of the points.
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  The enemy does look for an access point, and he will find a way, because he wants to discourage you, and he'll use life's trials.
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  In the article you talk about he's got a much larger strategy than what appear to be isolated trials, and you say—
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  You know, physical illness, emotional exhaustion, pressures, and discouragement follow oftentimes in succession.
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  So that's what—a lot of people can relate to that.
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  And you said what began as a physical affliction seemed to ripple outward into every area of family life.
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  And, of course—
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  ministry too.
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  So there's a lot of scriptures we can go to.
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  We can trust God.
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  I think of, you know, how Paul, you know, asked God to take away his thorn in the flesh and God responded, my grace is sufficient.
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  I think about that.
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  I think about how, um, there's another verse when I'm overwhelmed, Lord, lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
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  It's getting your eyes back on the hills and the mountains from, from where our help comes.
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  Um,
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  But I also want to quote, you got the end of Hebrews 12, and I couldn't help but think, well, let's sandwich this a little bit.
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  Let's go back to Hebrews 12, 2, and fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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  Gary, we were talking before we got on the podcast, talking about my wife, talking about your wife and our situations.
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  And oftentimes we need that reminder.
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  Life is very short.
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  We will be redeemed.
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  We are redeemed.
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  We're being redeemed.
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  And we will ultimately be redeemed, delivered, you might say.
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  And we have an incredible hope to look forward to.
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  Before we jump back in your article, there's some great points through it.
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  There's a lot in there, friends, that I'm going to touch on if Gary doesn't bring some of these things up, because I love, I want to just quote you, but share a little bit more about that, the importance of even when we're potentially being, well, I don't know if it's tempted to be discouraged,
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  Because it's very natural to that's how we feel beat down or overwhelmed.
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  Talk about that in our response, and God bless Kelly for saying, hey, we have to die to our flesh.
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  I think that this is the whole part and parcel of it.
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  And I think it's part and parcel of being in a church or being surrounded by brethren.
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  Sometimes when you're in the midst of things, you will forget or you will focus, get tunnel vision on the problem at hand.
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  And you need someone to come along to you and say, we're to die to our flesh.
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  We are...
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  I think for me, one of the biggest issues that I've seen in Christendom, and it does apply here, is a false bill of goods sold to people when they are coming into Christendom.
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  Because, you know, we've seen so many churches, you know, and they take the seven ways to get rich, eight ways to a better you, nine ways.
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  And...
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  I'm not trying to knock any other ministry, but it gives the belief that life is about conditional success or circumstantial blessing.
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  But that's not the blessings of Scripture.
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  Ephesians 1.3 tells us that we have every spiritual blessing in heavenly places.
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  The blessings of Scripture are the fruit of the Spirit, the temperance, forbearance, patience, love, kindness, all of these things.
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  And I think when people are sold this idea that when you get born again, all persecution, all tribulation stops, it is counter biblical and it is counterproductive because we are told and forewarned that we will go through persecution.
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  We will have tribulation.
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  We will have problems in this world and we live in a fallen world.
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  So to keep our eyes upon Jesus, like you pointed out.
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  is first and foremost.
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  You know, we can get, and it's probably the biggest thing I hear, specifically in the prophetic community when we're talking about eschatology and dispensationalism, people get weary, and they get weary and they're holding on and they're just clinging on with their fingernails.
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  The thing is, is that when you look at Psalm 1611,
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  For me, it changed my life.
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  It's when you read that scripture and it says that in his presence is the fullness of joy.
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  Then it makes you question yourself.
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  Why am I not experiencing joy right now?
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  His presence never leaves me.
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  It's the fact that I'm not acknowledging his presence.
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  So sometimes there's the Selah moment, you know, the moment of just sitting and saying, I am in the presence of the Lord.
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  I am.
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  All hell may be breaking out around me.
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  I may have lost my job.
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  I may have lost my house.
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  I may have gone through all of this.
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  But in the midst of it, I am with the Lord Jesus Christ and he is with me.
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  And as such, I'll fear no evil.
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  I'll fear nothing that comes against us.
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  And I think that that changes everything.
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  And it brings us to what is personified in Philemon 1.6, the...
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  I guess, effective faith model.
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  It says that we make our faith effective by the acknowledgement.
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  In other words, I know that Jesus is here, the acknowledgement of everything in us in Christ Jesus.
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  If we can walk through the midst of trouble and go through the time of shaking, but we realize that it's about who we hold on to and who we hold on to as Jesus.
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  And that changes everything.
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  And I think, you know,
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  One of the things that I realized is, like I said, I kept saying to myself, I just need a minute, just need a minute to process.
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  Because it was literally we got the news from the surgeon.
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  And then from there, it was like 100 texts or emails about other people's issues, other people's problems.
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  And.
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  There was that moment where we just went, right, we need to take a breath.
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  We need to actually step back.
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  And for me, this is after the article.
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  It was a wake-up call that ministry is not to be done alone.
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  Now, we have elders.
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  We have leaders in the church.
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  But my mindset was not to bother people with our issues.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think God sort of gave me what I would call a spiritual slap.
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  Yeah.
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  And brought me forth and says, that's not how we conduct.
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  You know, you've got to share your burdens.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, we are to bear one of those burdens.
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  I'm learning that.
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  I mean, I don't know whether it's pride, being male, being in ministry, people look at you a certain way, whatever it is, we've got to die to that and humble ourselves and ask for help.
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  And that's, I think, for maybe the average Christian man, that's hard to do.
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  to admit that we're weak and we can't handle it on our own.
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  I want to go back to Psalm 16, because one of my favorite verses, not only what you quoted, verse 11, in his presence is fullness of joy, but going back to verse 8, I have set the Lord always before me, because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.
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  Another translation is I will not be moved.
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  But we have to set the Lord always before us.
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  And that's hard, not impossible.
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  It wouldn't be in the Bible, in Colossians and other places, Paul telling us to do that.
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  But I want to go back to your article, Gary, and just mention a few things, just kind of like a review and let you wrap this up because we're down to three minutes already.
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  I knew it would go by fast.
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  You say, you know, God's grace is greater.
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  Right.
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  You also said faith refuses to carry what belongs to God's providence.
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  We continue to bear our responsibilities, but we surrender our burdens.
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  And I want to mention what your wife said, what Kelly said.
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  She said during her prayer, when you prayed together, she said the Lord is pressing on her that our greatest victory would not necessarily come through immediate deliverance, but through deeper surrender.
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  So let's take that and let you wrap this up.
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  Yeah, it's been something we've been talking about quite a lot.
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  And this goes back into the dying to the flesh, that deeper surrender aspect that I think that, you know, you have a petition, you petition the Lord for what your need is, what you're going through.
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  But I think,
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  Again, going to Christianity nowadays, it's treated like fast food Christianity and people are devoid of the process.
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  But Romans 5.3 tells us that the process is that we will experience persecution or tribulation.
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  But in the midst of that, perseverance is created.
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  Character comes from that and character produces hope and hope never fails.
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  So I think in the process of it, we realize that God is developing a character that's
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  in uh in all of what we go through in life and all affliction that comes against us and that is so much more important than anything else you know we want to have a character that resembles that that that is a mirror to what we read of christ's life you know we want to have that character that
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  calls us into the realm of being a Christian, you know, someone who is a little anointed one, someone who is a follower of Christ that picks up the cross and follows them.
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  And you said something at the start, and it actually relates to what you just read from my article there, was
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  In terms of the providence of God, in terms of the sovereignty of God, that was exactly what God said to me at the start of the year in prayer.
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  And I remember I was praying and I heard the words, not audibly, but in my spirit, that God.
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  trust my sovereignty.
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  And I didn't want to hear that because the first thought in my head was, well, that means something's going to happen this year.
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  Things are going to go on and I've got to trust the sovereignty in the process.
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  But,
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  That is so true.
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  We have to trust the sovereignty of God.
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  He works all things, all things together for the good of those who love him.
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  And I think that's key in dealing with any sort of persecution, tribulation, trial, or trouble.
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  Trust his sovereignty.
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  I think we can end on that note.
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  That's wise.
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  It's not always easy to do.
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  But brother, I thank you for sharing this.
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  Do you have a date for her cornea transplant?
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  You don't have a date yet, right?
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  We don't.
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  We get anywhere from 24 to 72 hours notice.
• 27:24
  Okay.
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  And they'll do one cornea transplant, and then she has two years of stitches and recovery, and then another one.
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  All right, brother.
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  Thank you for your time today.
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• 27:39
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  Brother, we'll do this again, Lord willing.
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  Thank you.
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  God bless you, and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  See you next time.