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The Vampire of Kraków - Karol Kot · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Between nineteen sixty four and nineteen sixty six, the city
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  Speaker 1: of Kroco was stalked by a quiet, clean cut teenager
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  Speaker 1: with a deadly obsession Carol Kott, later dubbed the Vampire
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  Speaker 1: of Kroco. Targeted the most vulnerable elderly women and young children,
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  Speaker 1: stabbing them without warning and vanishing just as quickly behind
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  Speaker 1: his boyish face. No one expected to find a sadistic
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  Speaker 1: killer who found beauty in suffering and saw murder as
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  Speaker 1: an art form. This is the story of the Vampire
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  Speaker 1: of Kroco. My name's Ben, I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: And you're listening to Wicked Ingram, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast material for your audience. Can you hear me? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's my voice. Good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I lost my voice the other day. And so
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  Speaker 1: if you're wondering why we didn't have a Friday episode,
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  Speaker 1: it's because I could barely talk. Yes, I managed to
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  Speaker 1: get a patron episode out at the end of the month. Still,
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  Speaker 1: I sounded a little rough, but that happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We posted in Patreon that we were not able
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  Speaker 2: to do Friday's episode, but we didn't get around posting
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  Speaker 2: it on social So sorry about that. You're all probably
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  Speaker 2: wondering where the heck we were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I was like just trying to recover
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  Speaker 1: as best I could that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little rough, but I made it through.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound perfect, but it definitely sounds better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You might hear it in my voice a bit today.
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  Speaker 1: There might be a little bit of crackling a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of raspiness. But I'll do the best I can.
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  Speaker 1: I feel fine now good.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I guess even last night I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're almost seeming like your energy's back.
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  Speaker 1: So my energy is definitely back. I mean just before this,
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  Speaker 1: I was all like goofing around, making like vocal noises,
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  Speaker 1: seeing if I could. And I was just also not
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  Speaker 1: just seeing if I could. I was just having fun
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  Speaker 1: and goofing around.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even notice. It's just oh, it's just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: Bend's back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the coffee was kicking in. Let's put it
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  Speaker 1: that way. But we also have some people to thank.
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  Speaker 1: Other than just sitting here and saying that, oh I
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  Speaker 1: was sick and now I'm better, we have some patrons
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  Speaker 1: who signed up this week over on Patreon we do,
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  Speaker 1: so shout out to Ryan Keene Randall. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: try and get this name right, Reef Schlager. I think
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  Speaker 1: I got that right. I got a breakdown of how
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  Speaker 1: to say it in Patreon, So thank you Randal. Hopefully
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  Speaker 1: I got it right and hopefully I nailed it. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday. Apparently it was their birthday on Friday the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Be messed, so that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so happy birthday birthday. And also shout out to
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Jackson, Megan Cotton, and Pippa Ship who also all
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  Speaker 1: signed up on Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: Cool right on. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we appreciate it. You joining the whole community behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes and they would have heard me sick delivering
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  Speaker 1: the episode on the last day o the month.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't even sound as bad like it almost in
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  Speaker 2: real life, your voice sound worse than it did, like
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  Speaker 2: through the microphone that's in every episode. It was quite odd.
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  Speaker 2: I was like kind of surprised.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we listened to the recording back, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't sound that bad. Yeah, but even like with
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  Speaker 1: the headphones on and what you were describing, I sounded
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  Speaker 1: like like it was not as pretty.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it didn't portray super like, it didn't portray badly,
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  Speaker 2: which is good.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was my fancy editing behind on the post.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just made myself sound better. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: should do that in every episode, Just make myself sound
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  Speaker 1: like super amazing. There you go, just turn up that
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  Speaker 1: radio host voice and sound awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You know, very exciting. I am now drinking Macha lattes
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  Speaker 2: in the morning that I make myself. This is my
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  Speaker 2: cough because often I'm like, frick, I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: need a coffee, but coffee tastes like shit. So a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people probably think Mancha tastes like shit too.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, this is good. I'm enjoying having this like warm,
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  Speaker 2: warm cup for my soul.
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  Speaker 1: And were good. Well, hopefully you guys have some sort
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  Speaker 1: of drink in hand. I've got my coffee black, just
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  Speaker 1: like my soul.
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  Speaker 2: So what my soul is green with vanilla bean?
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  Speaker 1: I guess so okay, and Nicole has her green vanilla
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  Speaker 1: bean soul la te thing. Hopefully you got something?
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  Speaker 2: This is.
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  Speaker 1: Ah? I mean, how did I phrase this? I always say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a heavy episode. This is a dark episode.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to a true crime podcast, of course, it is.
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  Speaker 2: This one is what we're here for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is. It's it's it's a dark true
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  Speaker 1: crime story. And yeah, I think you got it from
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  Speaker 1: the intro. Mm hmm, Yeah you ready for this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, enough of me trying to flub and describe things
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  Speaker 1: that I can't. I'm just going to actually tell you
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  Speaker 1: the story. I think that'll do better. So. In the
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties, the po city of Kroco was known
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  Speaker 1: more for its cobbled streets and historic architecture more than
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  Speaker 1: it was for violence. Life moved in a quiet rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: The iron grip of communism dulled the chaos of the
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  Speaker 1: outside world, and in many ways the city felt safe, orderly,
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  Speaker 1: even predictable. That illusion, though, would soon be shattered. In
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  Speaker 1: September of nineteen sixty four, a woman was stabbed while
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  Speaker 1: praying inside a church. Two days later, an elderly lady
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  Speaker 1: was attacked in her apartment than another, this time fatally.
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  Speaker 1: The women had nothing in common other than their age, solitude,
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  Speaker 1: and the brutal way that they were assaulted. Police were baffled.
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  Speaker 1: There was no theft, there was no sexual assault, and
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  Speaker 1: no clear motive that was present. For months, fear gripped
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  Speaker 1: the city. Women stopped attending church alone, some tucked pots
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  Speaker 1: and pans under their coats, and an attempt to create a
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  Speaker 1: makeshift armour against a faceless attacker who was always coming
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  Speaker 1: from behind. Newspapers heavily censored by the state, said little,
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  Speaker 1: but the people of Croco knew something was deeply wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and then the attack stopped until seventeen months later, a child,
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  Speaker 1: just eleven years old was found stabbed to death in
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  Speaker 1: the snow near a local tobogganing hill. No one could
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  Speaker 1: make sense of it. The city had feared that an
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  Speaker 1: old lady killer was on the loose, but now the
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  Speaker 1: pattern was unraveling, or more accurately, escalating. When police finally
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  Speaker 1: made an arrest in June of nineteen sixty six, no
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  Speaker 1: one could have believed it. The attacker wasn't a criminal
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  Speaker 1: fresh out of prison. He wasn't a war damaged man
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  Speaker 1: or a shadowy out of towner. The person behind the murders,
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  Speaker 1: the attempted killings, four arsons, and several poison plots as well,
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  Speaker 1: was a nineteen year old student. He was well spoken,
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  Speaker 1: neatly dressed, clean cut, and his name was Carol Cott.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I do just have to say, stabbing someone while
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  Speaker 2: they're literally in a church praying is like, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: us beyond nuts, Like, honest don't even imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, even you take like your most hardened criminal, they
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  Speaker 1: most likely will not go beyond that because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's just something about about that. You know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: a sacred place. It's you just don't go there unless
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  Speaker 1: you have motive too, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 1: you hate the church or you hate the individual, that's
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  Speaker 1: the only place you go. Like, you know, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: reason too.
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  Speaker 2: There are attacks on like religious facilities often, but I
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  Speaker 2: just just this one off, like going in there and
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  Speaker 2: literally stabbing an older lady while she's praying. Just it
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  Speaker 2: really paints the scene of what this person is like.
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  Speaker 1: It really does, and honestly you'll get a full picture
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  Speaker 1: because there's more to it than just hey, attacking an
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  Speaker 1: old lady in a church. As I mentioned, there is
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  Speaker 1: also attacking a young kid at a boggainy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is also brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Now you'll understand soon that Carol Kant, Yeah, full on
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  Speaker 1: deuced canoe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I think I'm already there on that one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, Carol Crop caught. Let's get into who
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  Speaker 1: he was. He was born on December eighteenth, nineteen forty six,
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  Speaker 1: in Croco, Poland, a city still bearing the deep scars
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  Speaker 1: of World War II. He grew up in a middle
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  Speaker 1: class family, the only child for the first eight years
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  Speaker 1: of his life. His father was a respected engineer, and
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  Speaker 1: his mother stayed home to raise him. From the outside
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  Speaker 1: the cought household, it seems stable, even nurturing, But inside
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  Speaker 1: young Carol something was quietly unraveling. Those close to him
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  Speaker 1: described him as quiet, shy even He was obedient and
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  Speaker 1: polite child, never disruptive, but as he later admitted to psychiatrists,
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  Speaker 1: things began to change when his younger sister was born.
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  Speaker 1: According to Carol, he felt abandoned, and he was quite jealous,
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  Speaker 1: even pushing you know, a lot of feelings and things
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  Speaker 1: and people aside. He would later say, with chilling simplicity
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  Speaker 1: that his parents quote loved her more.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean I think that is probably hard
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  Speaker 2: when a second child comes, when the first is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit older. I think so much jealousy might play
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  Speaker 2: a bit a bigger toll.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking if that person I believe already has a
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  Speaker 1: disconnect in making connections because I think if you have
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  Speaker 1: if you're eight or nine years old and now you
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  Speaker 1: have a younger sibling, many people would just love their
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  Speaker 1: younger sibling, right Yeah, yeah, so it's hard to say
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  Speaker 1: now honestly, like this belief of like, you know, our
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  Speaker 1: parents loved her more like that, whether that was rooted
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  Speaker 1: in reality or not, it marked a turning point regardless.
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  Speaker 2: Well they kind of the little girl needed their parents more,
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  Speaker 2: right at such a young age, So it does make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it may not have been loved. It might
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  Speaker 1: have just been care or what but need. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the parents did love his sister more.
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  Speaker 1: It's up for debate. But regardless, it was a turning point.
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  Speaker 1: And as a child, Carol began showing signs of emotional
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  Speaker 1: detachment and violent impulses. He tormented the family cat, threw
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  Speaker 1: them up against the wall, tortured animals for play measure,
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  Speaker 1: not out of necessity. He didn't just kill, though, he
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  Speaker 1: also experimented. He would poke out the eyes of birds,
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  Speaker 1: he would gout small creatures, and disturbingly, he would lick
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  Speaker 1: their blood, tasting it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, who who would think to do something
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  Speaker 2: like that or want to do something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I know. And this is the thing though too, there's
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  Speaker 1: this is a common pattern that you see in like
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  Speaker 1: serial killers, in psychopaths.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Oh, you got to start somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, I get. I mean, that's one way to
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  Speaker 1: put it now. Classmates would later recall his cruelty to animals,
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  Speaker 1: and while adults largely missed the warning signs, many dismissed
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  Speaker 1: it as you know, boys being boys, or eccentricity sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. The turning point came during the summer holidays.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to get this wrong. It's spelled PC.
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  Speaker 1: I am kim. I'm assuming it's a rural village south
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  Speaker 1: of Krocco. While other children played in fields explored the woods,
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  Speaker 1: Carol discovered something else the local slaughterhouse. He was just
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  Speaker 1: ten years old when he first wandered in. Workers tried, to,
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  Speaker 1: of course, shoe him away, but the boy just kept returning,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually they let him watch his pigs and calves
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  Speaker 1: were killed and slaughtered in the workplace. In a moment
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  Speaker 1: that would become infamous in later court testimony, the slaughtermen
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  Speaker 1: handed Carol a cup of warm blood from a freshly
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered animal. Why, well, they were expecting to like scare
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  Speaker 1: him away. You know, like here's a cup of blood.
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  Speaker 1: They're like trying to show this kid away. He's just
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  Speaker 1: being a nuisance. Here, kid, have a cup of blood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's like next level gross or something. They
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  Speaker 2: would think he'd think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of their thought, their hope. However,
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  Speaker 1: he was not like grossed out or horrified from this
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  Speaker 1: cup of blood.
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  Speaker 2: Did he just start drinking it? That's exactly what he
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  Speaker 2: did in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: He took the cup, he lifted it to his lips,
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  Speaker 1: and he drank the whole thing without flinching.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and then these grown ass men were probably horrified it.
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  Speaker 1: We're probably just like what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But okay, I do have to say I don't
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  Speaker 2: I don't really fault him for having like the interest
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  Speaker 2: in the slaughterhouse, because, like I mean, sometimes I'm like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 2: like we're eating this food, how is this done? Kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing, Like there is like a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: curiosity or or like should I know how this is done?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this done ethically? I mean I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he was into the ethically part or whatever. So I
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  Speaker 2: understand the fascination a little bit, but then it does
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  Speaker 2: go beyond that if he keeps repeatedly showing up and
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  Speaker 2: you know, well.
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  Speaker 1: That's there's there's a line, there's curiosity, and there's more
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  Speaker 1: bid curiosity. Yeah, you know, what are your intentions behind it?
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  Speaker 1: If you're gonna go and like be curious about a
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  Speaker 1: slaughterhouse and then start drinking blood, Yeah that's too much.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going there just to learn or whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: then you see how it's done and you're you're good.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It wasn't that for him?
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely. Now back in the city, Carol started collecting knives.
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  Speaker 1: He collected knives, daggers, and bayonets. Even he studied anatomy books.
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  Speaker 1: He was fixated on organs, arteries and pressure points. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted to know how the body worked, and obviously as well,
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  Speaker 1: not just how it worked, but how to destroy it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh geez.
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  Speaker 1: Now, despite all this, he continued to present himself as
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  Speaker 1: a model student. He got decent grades, He was well spoken,
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  Speaker 1: and even joined Kroco's prestigious shooting club, where he quickly
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  Speaker 1: became one of the top marksmen in the region. But
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  Speaker 1: behind the smile the good behavior was a growing obsession
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  Speaker 1: with blood, with control, in the power of life and death.
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  Speaker 1: Carol Kott was no longer just a disturbed kid. He
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  Speaker 1: was becoming something else entirely, something much more closer to
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  Speaker 1: a monster. By his early teens, Carol Coott was no
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  Speaker 1: longer just this odd, quiet boy. He was a teenager
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  Speaker 1: living on his own, carefully sorry, not on his own,
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  Speaker 1: in his own, carefully constructed world of fantasies, weapons, and death.
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  Speaker 1: He spent hours alone, locked away in his room, where
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  Speaker 1: he meticulously cleaned and sharpened his growing collection of knives.
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  Speaker 1: He claimed that those knives were his greatest love, quote unquote,
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  Speaker 1: speaking about them the way that others might describe a
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  Speaker 1: close friend or maybe a first crush. He didn't just
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  Speaker 1: collect them, he bonded with them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's kind of disturbing that at such a young
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  Speaker 2: age he's able to like switch this this like switch
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  Speaker 2: of being kind of like, you know, a good student
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  Speaker 2: and smile and you know, act present kind of himself
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  Speaker 2: normally and then has this like completely different side.
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  Speaker 1: This like mask to him that he can put.
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  Speaker 2: One off supers and able to do that like at
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  Speaker 2: a teen, as a teenager, I feel like it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of young.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, and that is like a true fucking psychopath.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, terrifying. Yeah, this is alarming.
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  Speaker 1: Now. In school, teachers still described him as well mannered, focused,
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  Speaker 1: but his classmates they were learning better. He had few friends.
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  Speaker 1: Most students kept their distance. Some thought he was strange,
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  Speaker 1: others found him outright frightening who talk about violence, constantly
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  Speaker 1: telling anyone who had listened about animal torture, weapons or
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  Speaker 1: his dream of becoming a Nazi officer, a fantasy that
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  Speaker 1: he actually openly shared at a school trip to visit
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  Speaker 1: Holocaust memorial sites. So he's at a Holocaust memorial site
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  Speaker 1: talking about how he wants to be a Nazi officer.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, Yeah, many.
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  Speaker 1: People just thought it was a sick joke. It wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: He was being truthful.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess he's not totally hiding this. It's just
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  Speaker 2: people aren't aren't fully believing him or making excuses for
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  Speaker 2: his behavior.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Now, he is kind of hiding it because
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  Speaker 1: he's able to pull the blinds over some people's eye
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  Speaker 1: and just be like, oh, it's just you know, mischief
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  Speaker 1: behavior sort of thing. So and if they keep brushing
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  Speaker 1: it off. He's clearly doing something right to let them
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  Speaker 1: believe that.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's also not hiding who he really is, I
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  Speaker 1: guess is what you could say. He's pulling the wool
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  Speaker 1: over the eyes of who he's supposed to be. He's like, Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I am this, I am a good student, I'm this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you actually want to listen to me? Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about some dark shit. That's kind of the way
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  Speaker 1: he is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and like from experience, really yeah, some of the
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  Speaker 2: stark shit.
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  Speaker 1: So now Carol wanted power, not just over animals, but
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  Speaker 1: over people, and more than that, he wanted recognition, control,
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  Speaker 1: and fear. At some point in his teens, Carol became
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  Speaker 1: began to blur the lines between fantasy and intent. He
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  Speaker 1: no longer just talked about knives and kept them behind
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  Speaker 1: closed doors of his bedroom. He brought them to school,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes pulling them out during class breaks and mimicking stabbing motions,
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  Speaker 1: pretending to slick classmate's throats or cut open imaginary organs.
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  Speaker 1: His obsession over anatomy, reading medical books, studying diagrams, making
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  Speaker 1: notes about, you know, how to reached the lungs, the heart, liver,
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  Speaker 1: a order with a single thrust with a knive was
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  Speaker 1: just overwhelming him. And while most people backed away from Carol,
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  Speaker 1: one person didn't. That was a twenty two year old
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  Speaker 1: woman named Danuda now Danudah was a fellow member of
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  Speaker 1: the shooting Club. She was older, confident, not easily intimidated.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Carol when they met, was about sixteen or seventeen years
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: old at the time, and he became infatuated with her.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: They spoke regularly, sometimes for hours, and he confided in
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: her about things he never told anyone else. He told
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: her that he liked the idea of hurting people, that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: he had killed animals, that he had thought thoughts in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: his head that he just couldn't shake now. At first,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: she laughed him off, just like everyone else did. She
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: assumed he was trying to impress her or act out
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: like a confused teenage boy. But Carol didn't stop. He
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: became more intense, even threatening. On one occasion during the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a club trip, he tried to strangle her. Another time,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: he pulled out a broken bottle from his coat and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: told her he wanted to cut her wrists and throw
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: her into the river.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Oh ly, so, his fascination with her was actually to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: kill her.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, huh okay. Now, Danuda kept her cool. She
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: told him calmly that people seen them together and if
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: he tried to do anything with it to her, he'd
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: be caught instantly. Now remarkably, that worked and he backed off.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Now at this point, Carolcott was no longer just thinking
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: about killing. He was ready for a real trial run,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to really try it for real and bring it to fruition.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: In the fall of nineteen sixty four, Carol Coott was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: now seventeen. He was still in school, still living at home,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and still outwardly just a teenager in Kroco. But on
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the inside he was seething with violent fantasies, barely holding
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it back from acting on them because he wanted to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: actually do this. And finally, yeah, that restraint, whatever was
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: left it finally snapped. September twenty first, nineteen sixty four,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: was a quiet Monday afternoon when forty eight year old
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Helena Velgan entered the Church of the Sacred Heart in Croco.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: She took a seat in the pews and she began
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to pray. Carol was already inside. He'd been wandering through
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the city with a German bayonet tucked into his coat,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: looking for someone, anyone to hurt, and when he saw
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Helena alone and kneeling, he moved silently behind her, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: without warning he struck. He stabbed her in the back,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: aiming for the heart from behind whoa. Helena collapsed from
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the force of the blow, but remarkably she survived. At first,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: she thought she'd just been punched. She was dazed and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: left in the church, and then she just kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: went about her day, not realizing that she was bleeding
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: until someone in a store pointed out the growing stain
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: on her coat.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, ky, why First of all, I'll have to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: say I didn't realize she was only forty eight, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I did say an older lady, so she's not really
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that old. But that's kind of like, how the shit
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: could you just go be stabbed and goobal you're a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: freaking day like that?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Well, there's been cases shock, maybe there are cases of that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and it's adrenaline, it's shock, it's yeah, it's you don't
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: really notice. Sometimes it's a strange way that the body
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: adapts and works.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, that's almost incredible.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So she went to the hospital and doctors discovered that
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: she had in fact been stabbed, not just punched, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Helena reported the attack to police after receiving the medical
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: care that she needed, But for whatever reason, the police
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: didn't believe her, even with the medical evidence and the wound.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Authorities dismissed the case, assuming that she had just exaggerated
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: or misunderstood what had happened in the attack.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so what are they thinking the fuck happened to her?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're like, nah, it's probably nothing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, Maybe it was.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: An accident, you know, maybe someone bumped into you and you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Like that pisses me off.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Actually, two days later, on September twenty third, nineteen sixty four,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Carol struck again. This time Francisca Lewandowski Lundawska, a seventy
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: eight year old woman, was returning home from shopping when
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: she felt a sharp pain in her back as she
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: climbed the stairs to her apartment building. Carol had followed
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: her from the street trolley stop when she had gotten off,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and then he attacked her on the steps of her home.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: She collapsed, unable to move, and a neighbor soon found
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: her and called for help. Now, Francisca survived the attack,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: but the damage to her spinal cord left her with
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: lasting physical impairment. No, she would never walk unassisted again.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Oh seriously, now.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Like Helena, She described her attack her to the police.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: He was a young man, polite looking, slim, dark hair,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and a student's red badge on his coat. But still
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: police saw no clear pattern and no arrests were made.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Are they blind?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm sorry, but so she A second one
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: happened just a couple days later, like, get your shit together?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Now. Six days later, on September twenty ninth, nineteen
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: sixty four, he went out after yet another victim. Carol
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: found Maria plitchtup, an eighty six year old woman, as
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: she stepped off a trolley at her stop and headed
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for church, where she worked as a cleaner. He followed
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: her all the way. Once again they were inside, he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: attacked and stabbed her from behind, again targeting the heart.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: This time he got what he wanted and the results
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: were fatal.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh geez.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Though the wound was not deep, the shock and trauma
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: triggered a massive heart attack, and she died the next
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: day in the hospital.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Holy hack, Hey, so he just like probably learned from
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the first two attacks and was obviously enjoying this.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, definitely. Now, I don't know if I would
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: say that he learned because he isn't doing much different.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: He's attacking in the same way. He's targeting the heart
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: from behind sort of thing. I think. I don't want
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to say luck was on his side.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Third charm, Yeah, I.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Guess he just finally kind of got what he was after.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: You know, keep stabbing someone, eventually they're gonna fucking die,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: So now the thing is, though, the most chilling of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: all is what Carol did after the attack, because while
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Maria lay dying, he returned to the hospital pretending to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: be a concerned visitor, so he asked staff if she
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: would survive, knowing full well what he had done and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: what he had put her through. But before she lost consciousness,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Maria had whispered two final words to the nuns who
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: found her young boy.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Hmm okay. So he didn't really go and visit her, no,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it was just inquiring about her, yes, which is still
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: really creepy it is.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: By early October, Kronko was now in a state of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: quiet panic. Those state controlled newspapers suppressed the story. Word
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of mouth spread quickly. Women began walking in pairs, churches,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: soft viewer worshipers. Some began sewing metal baking pans and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: wooden boards into their coats to guard against being stabbed
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: from behind makeshift armor.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: The police, now finally aware that there was a serial
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: attacker at large, were grasping for leeds. Victims had survived,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but gave only vague descriptions. Carol had no prior criminal record,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he lived at home, he was clean while dressed, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: most importantly, still just a teenager.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: A child.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, he was the least likely to be suspected,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and honestly, he could probably get away with everything that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he'd done up until this point if he played his
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: cards right. And so for the next year and a half,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the attacks actually stopped. After Maria's murder in late September
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty four, Kroco braced for more violence, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the weeks passed, then months, no new victims turned up.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: The attacks that had haunted churches and apartment steps simply
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: just stopped, and for many it felt like the nightmare
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: had finally just gone.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: People are probably gonna get their confidence back and going out.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that nightmare hadn't ended, in fact, just gone underground.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What no one realized was that Carol had simply shifted
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: his tactics. The knives had thrilled him for sure, the blood,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the shock, the fear in people's eyes, But with the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: city on alert and patrols increasing, it became too risky
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to keep just stabbing people in public, so he started
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: looking for other ways to kill. Carol had been reading
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: about poisons, specifically arsenic He managed to acquire a supply
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of sodium arsenate and began testing it. One of his
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: first experiments took place in a bar near Krocoblonia Park.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: He waited until no one was watching, then unscrewed a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: bottle of vinegar from the counter and laced it with poison,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: hoping someone would annoyingly use it and die. However, no
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: one did, so when that didn't work, he got bolder.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: He left poisoned beer and pop bottles out in public places,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: hoping someone's thirsty, you know, tendencies or curiosity might bring
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: them to take a sip. Sometimes he even walked into cafes,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: ordered a drink, and then left behind poisoned, waiting for
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a stranger. To come by, but no one ever did.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: The reality which escaped Carol was that most people weren't
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: in the habit of drinking from half finished bottles sitting
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: around in public places right, right, And honestly, that is
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a psychopath's mind, one hundred and ten percent, not understanding
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: social cues and stuff.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh my gosh, this is just sitting here listening
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: what this person does is so uncomfortable.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It really is. Honestly, like his attempts at like poisoning people.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It was just a failed, horrible attempt, but like he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: going through these steps trying to figure things out and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: he's learning from Okay, well this didn't work, Onto the next,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: onto the next. So frustrated, it was back to the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: drawing board for him, and he decided to begin targeting
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: people now directly, he tried to poison a classmate by
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: spiking his drink. However, the boy noticed a strange smell
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and refused to take a sip.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's smart.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, likely, honestly it saved his life, no kidding. Now.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Carol didn't stop here though. Around the same time, he
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: tried to start a series of five four in total,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: by pouring gasoline soaked rags and attics and stairwells. But
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: his efforts were amateurish. None of the fires caught, no
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: one was hurt, and the damage was minimal. Like his
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: poisoning attempts, he acts seemed to be part of a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: grim trial and error learning process. Carol was just looking.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: He wasn't just looking to kill. He was experimenting with
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: ways to do it more efficiently, more dramatically, and ideally,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of course, without getting caught. All the while, he maintained
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the appearance of a normal, somewhat awkward teenager. He went
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to school, trained at a shooting club. He smiled for
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: his teachers, and came home to his parents each night.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: On the surface, he was a boy who loved guns,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: read war books, and dreamed of joining the military. No
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: one suspected the truth. No one saw the private notebooks
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: where hemapped up plans to cause chaos. No one knew
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: exactly that he was studying anatomy, not for medicine, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to learn exactly how to bring about the fastest and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: most painful death possible. While KROKO returned to its routine
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and the police quietly shelled the unsolved stabbing cases, Carol
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was still fantasizing about blood. The break in his attacks
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: didn't mean that he'd lost the desire to kill. It
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: just simply meant that he was planning his next move,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and when he finally acted again, it would be more
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: savage than anything he'd done before. It was the morning
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of February thirteenth, nineteen sixty six. On this day, a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: group of children gathered at Costcousco's Mound, a popular sledding
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: hill in Kroco. Here there was a local tobogganing competition
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: under way. Cheerful, noisy, the kind of care free event
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that fills the winter weekend sort of thing. Among the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: kids was eleven year old le Sek Kaylik, who arrived
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: late and was disappointed to learn that his sled was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: too damaged for him to compete. All upset about not
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: being able to compete, he wandered off alone. Carol was
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: also there that day. He wasn't interested in sledding, though,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he had returned into the streets of Kronko with his
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: bayonet looking for a new victim. This time, though, he's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: looking for someone small, someone who wouldn't fight back, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Lisak was exactly what he was looking for. The details
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of what happened next were later relayed by Carol himself.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He said he saw the boy standing alone, still upset
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: about missing the race. He approached him and asked him
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a question to get his attention, then suddenly grabbed him
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: by the neck and with the other hand he pulled
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: up the knife and began to stab again, again and again.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Lisak was stabbed eleven times, each wound deep enough to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: be fatal. The blade punctured his heart, lungs ajorda, and liver.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Carol watched him fall, watched him bleed, and then simply
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: walked away, leaving the boy's body in the snow as
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: if nothing happened.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: O man, that is just heartbreaking. This poor little boy
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: was so upset for not being able to join this
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: competition or whatever you called it. And then oh man,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: no man.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: So afterwards, Carol went to a nearby pastry shop, bought
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a few cakes and took them home to eat.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: What the actual shit? See that like pisces me off
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: more than okay, it pisses me off that he takes
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: people's lives, and like these serial killers take people's lives,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: but then what they do after, I know, just blows
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: my mind goes and gets cakes like he's celebrating.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Or some shit, right, I know.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Holy.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: A short while later, a man walking nearby noticed the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: child laying motionless in the snow. Now, given the winter
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: setting and the sex still body, the man assumed the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: boy had fainted or suffered a sudden health issue. Didn't
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: initially look like a violent crime, as the wounds were
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: concealed by clothing and there was nothing alarming around to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: suggest it was a murder. With no visible panic, the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: man picked up the boy, carried him to a nearby cafe,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: likely sinking warmth, and you know, help from others. Once inside,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: they laid the sect down and try to wake him,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: but he was unresponsive. And that's when someone finally noticed
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the blood soaking through his clothes and realized this wasn't
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: just you know, a medical emergency. This, I mean it was,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: but it was much bigger than you know, someone fainting.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone actually went about hurting this boy.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From there, the police were notified. The man who
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: found the body led officers back to the exact location
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: where he discovered lesec, but by the time investigators arrived,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the crime scene had already been compromised. Crowds had gathered.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Footprints were everywhere, any potential forensic evidence, you know, blood
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: pattern signs, struggle footprints, all that had been trampled by
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: people moving in and out of the area. I mean
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: this was a public area, right. The murder shocked the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: city for seventeen months. People had hoped that the stabber
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was gone, and now he was back in this time
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he was targeting children.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a different i'ma.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: The story made it into local croco newspapers, a rarity
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: under the communist regime that preferred to suppress violent crime
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: reports at the time. Authorities even made a public appeal
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: asking for tips, any indication of just how desperate they were.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: This was clearly yet, but Carol, he wasn't finished. Two
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: months later, on April fourteenth, nineteen sixty six, he followed
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: eight year old Malgosia inside her apartment building. She had
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: been homesick and was just running down to check the mailbox.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Carol was already inside the building and he was just
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: waiting for to come back. As she passed him, he
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: grabbed her from behind, choked her, and stabbed her eight
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: times in the chest, stomach, and back. Somehow, she survived.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, how did he find this girl? Because she
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was like in her home kind of thing apartment building
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: yet yeah, so he was likely waiting in the apartment
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: building for someone to pass by. H okay, and like
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the lobby sort of of course he was Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So wounded and bleeding, she stumbled back up the stairs
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and collapsed into her mother's arms. Doctors later said it
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: was a miracle that she actually lived. Her physical scars
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: would heal, but the trauma would stay with her for
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the rest of her life.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: This time, though, Carol didn't stop just attacking. He returned
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to the building four days later. He knocked on the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: door and casually asked now Gusia's mother the girl's name,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: pretending to be a concerned neighbor who heard about the stabbing.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: The mother was confused, but was also polite and gave
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it to him, and just like that, he disappeared again.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Gronco was now in a full state of panic. The
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: old lady killer had turned his rage on children. The
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: violence was more frenzied, the intent it was more sadistic,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and unlike before, people were finally talking about it. Parents
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: warned their kids not to speak to strangers, Women and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: children avoided going out alone. Everyone looked over their shoulder,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: expecting something or someone to be coming. But no one
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: had a name, No one had a suspect, and they
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: didn't think that this pale, quiet teenager would be the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: one who was stalking the streets, one that was still
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: going to school and just cleaning his knives in his
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: bedroom at night. He had killed a child, and he
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was proud of it. And by the spring of nineteen
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: sixty six police were desperate. A child had been murdered
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in broad daylight. Another had barely survived. Kroco was gripped
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: by fear, and investigators were no closer to identifying the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: attacker than they had been two years earlier. The only
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: clues came from terrified survivors. A young man, clean cut,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: maybe a student, is all they got. Then came the breakthrough,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and it came from someone who already knew Carol Cott
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: very well. To Anuda, the same young woman from the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: shooting club who Carol had admired, had grown increasingly disturbed
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: by their conversations. In fact, he had always made strange,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: aggressive comments toward her, talking about stabbing people, torturing animals
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and blood. But after the April attack in Nagosia, something changed.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: See Carol told Danuda casually that he had attacked a girl,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: even described how it happened, the stairwell, the choking, the knife,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and at first she brushed it off. She didn't believe him.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He'd always been very outspoken and outlandish like this. But
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: then she opened the newspaper and saw the story.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, everything.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Matched, the location, the girl's age, the details, and that's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when she realized he wasn't just fantasizing or telling a story.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: He was confessing to her. Instead of keeping it to herself,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Danuda did what most people wouldn't dare in the time
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of communist Poland. She went to the police. Now, at first,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: investigators were cautious. Her tip wasn't a confession, it wasn't evidence.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: It was a word of a student about another student.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: But something about her description, especially the way Carol spoke
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: about the violence, struck a nerve. And unlike the other leads,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this one had a name, an address, and a routine
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that they could follow. So they did, and they watched him.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Police placed Carol under quiet valance for the next two months.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: They learned his habits. They followed him to and from school.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: They identified his home and monitored his movements. But what
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they didn't do, not yet, was arrest him. Because Carol
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: was about to sit for his matura. Poland's high school
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: exam authorities believe that if he were to pass, it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: would demonstrate that he was mentally competent, eliminating any future
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: claims of insanity during trial. So this kid can pass
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: his high school exam to graduate sort of thing when
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: he's clearly a competent individual.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, that's actually pretty.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Smart, that is now. They were also worried that arresting
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the wrong person, especially a seemingly promising student, could lead
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the public like to public embarrassment. Yeah, totally, So they
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: bided their time and they waited. On June first, nineteen
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: sixty six, the day after Carol finished his exams, police
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: finally made their move. They arrested him quietly, without incident.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: At first, he seemed surprised. He denied everything, said there
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: must be some mistake, But when they searched his room,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: things began to quickly unravel. Police found his arsenal, sixteen knives, bayonets, machete,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and other sharpened tools, all meticulously maintained. They also found
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: anatomy books filled with penciled in notes and underlined organs,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and an atlas marked with stab trajectories through the heart,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: lungs and a orda.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Oh man, not normal things you would find.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Some pages even showed signs of having been poked with
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a blade, as if Kara was practicing or banisizing.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Even still he claimed innocence, but that didn't last long.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Within days, two surviving victims, Helena Velligan and Francisca. Again,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to butcher her last name, Lewandowska. Actually, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: think I did really good on that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: They identified him in a.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Lineup and these are the first two attacks he did.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Right, correct, So Helena was the first victim, the one
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: praying yeah yeah, and then Francisca was the one who
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: would unfortunately be attacked on her steps and ever walk
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and assisted again right now. When Francisca saw him in
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the lineup, she became visibly upset, and Carol just smirked
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and told her, quote, you've got a good memory, want
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: me to finish the job.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: What the oh this guy is sush a creep?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just like that the masks slipped and Carol
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: began talking. So once he started talking, he didn't stop.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: He didn't need coaxing. There was no guilt, there was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: no remorse or hesitation. For him, confessing wasn't surrender. It
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was more of a performance. And now, with the full
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: attention of investigators, doctors and journalists, he was finally the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: star of his own show. He walked police through each
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of the attacks with remarkable clarity, describing the way his
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: victims moved, the way that they bled, the way it
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: felt when the blade went in.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he is the furthest thing from a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: fricking star.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: He recalled things like the color of the sky, the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: roots he followed, even the expressions on their faces. These
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: weren't the memories of someone ashamed of what they'd done.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: These were trophies carefully stored, and now he was displaying
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: them and discussing them with pride. When the police organized
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a series of crime scene reenactment reenactments, Carol embraced the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: process with disturbing enthusiasm. He returned to the churches, the stairwells,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: where he attacked his victims and acted out the events
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: as if he were directing a film. He told camera
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: operators where to stand for better light. He gave instruction
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to investigators and where to place people for dramatic effect.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's proud of the shit.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And at one point, when he asked if the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: reenactment felt authentic, he replied it was close, but what
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was really missing was the blood.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, okay wow.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: In one scene, he pretended to stab a female officer
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: so forcefully that she stumbled backwards in fear, and he laughed.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: This wasn't a confession, It was a reenactment of his
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: fantasy with a complete stage cues and an audience. Honestly,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he soaked up all the attention. The name given to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: him by the press was the Vampire of Kroco, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it only added to the myth that was building about
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: himself in his own mind. Even in custody, Carol acted
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: like someone completely detached from the reality of his crimes.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: He ate well, he joked with guards, and he gained weight.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: He read books, wrote in notebooks, and participated eagerly in
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: psychological evaluations. He didn't act like someone worried about the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: consequences of murder. He acted like someone who believed he'd
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: become something bigger than life, something infamous and unforgettable.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: He was finally getting the attention I think that he desired.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I guess, hey, definitely in a very twisted way. He
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: was becoming this infamous, unforgettable He was getting that attention
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: he wanted. Just it really, yeah, because if you look
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: back on him, he wanted that attention. He was pretending
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to stab kids in class and telling people about what
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: he liked to do. He relished in that attention their
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: reaction on the things that he liked totally. Now, the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: psychiatrists who evaluated him, they were divided. Some saw signs
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: of deep, deep, deep psychopathy. They also saw narcissism and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: lack of empathy, sadistic fantasies, and total emotional detachment. Others
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: noted that he was coherent, intelligent, and fully aware of
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the legal and moral consequences of his actions. After weeks
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of interviews and tests, the conclusion was reached. Carol Cott
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: was in fact sane and he could stand trial. When
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: asked what he thought about good and evil, though, he
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: gave an answer that chilled the room. He said he
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: didn't consider himself evil. To him, evil quote unquote meant
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: drunkards and men who visited prostitutes. He called himself simply
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a murderer and someone who sought pleasure and satisfaction, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: in that sense he believed he was morally justified.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: What the heck that is? So that is one of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the most messed up things I've ever heard.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well another thing he said, in his own words,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: suffering is beauty. Inflicting pain on someone is a work
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of art. Not everyone can do it. Huh, that's fucked up.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: So he thinks that people who are are drunks or
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: whatever you said, or.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, drunks, sex workers, he said, prostitutes. I was
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: quoting him, but.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, art more evil than him.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, he believes himself being like a murderer, someone who's
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: seeking pleasure and satisfaction, and that's morally justified. But then
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: technically speaking, people drink for pleasure and satisfaction. People they
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: go to sex workers for pleasure and satisfaction. What's the difference. Yeah,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: it's just a different vice.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And he's literally taking people's lives like they're done, it's gone. Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and that's just fine. Okay, Wow, this guy is what
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: at that statement just makes him seem way more messed
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: up than I really no.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: That's the logic of him, and it's it's the kind
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of cold but bullshitted self created moral system where he
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: believes that murder was not only acceptable, it's admired.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up, that's real fucked up. Now.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: On May third, nineteen sixty seven, the courtroom doors opened
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in Kroco and people packed in like it was a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: public event. Journalists, victims, families, curious onlookers, all eager to
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of the young man who'd haunted the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: city for more than two years. At the center of
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it sat now twenty year old Carol Kott, smooth faced,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: dressed neatly and very disturbingly calm. From the moment he entered.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: He treated the proceedings like another performance. He waved to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: former classmates. He smiled when people stared. He given the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: microphone like when he's given the microphone in his hand.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: He tested it like an actor checking a stage prop test, test,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: test test, what da. He wanted to make sure everyone
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: could hear him, because he had things to say. Carol
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was charged with two counts of murder, ten counts of
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: attempted murder, and fourccounts of arson. He didn't deny any
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: of it. In fact, he pled guilty to all charges,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: offering detailed explanations for each act, often revisiting the logic
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: behind his choices, how he chose his victims, how it
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: made him feel, and how he hoped what would happen
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: would actually happen. It wasn't remorseful, it wasn't defensive. It
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was a matter of fact, just like, this is how
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it was. This is what I wanted, and this is
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: what I did. It's like someone explaining a science project,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: almost no kidding. Throughout the trial, the survivors who testified
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: couldn't contain their anger. They pointed at him from the stand,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: calling him a beast, a monster. One woman who had
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: survived the stabbing screamed at him from across the room,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and Carol just sat there smiling. Psychiatrist took the stand,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: trying to make sense of what he was. Their opinions varied,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: but the official consensus held Carol Kant was sane, twisted, dangerous,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: statistic yes, but legally responsible. There would be no plea
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: for diminished capacity. He detailed planning, the clear pattern of behavior,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the awareness of the consequences that it might hold, and
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it all pointed to someone who knew exactly what they
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: were doing, and the judge didn't hesitate when handing down
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the sentence.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just have to say, like, I totally think
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: he needs to be responsible, legally responsible, But is he sane?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: There's just no way. There's no way. I don't think.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Well there's it's the definition of saye that we'd be arguing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I guess, but I just I don't know. Just let's
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: sit in here listening to this, like there is something
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: very wrong with him.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Well, what they mean by saying is he understands what
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: he did, and he understands the consequences, and he still
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: did it. That's what they're arguing with sane. Does he
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have lack of emotions like empathy? Did he not care?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Does he not give a shit? Sure? But he's sane
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: enough to know what he did and the consequences. Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that's what they mean by saying, Okay.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely has something wrong with him, but he
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: was mentally there enough to know what he was doing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing. That's what they mean.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Now. In July fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven, Carol Kott was
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: sentenced to death by hanging for his actions. He was
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: also stripped of all civil rights. The courtroom murmured, some cheered,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and other satin stunned silence. Finally, the vampire of Kroco
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: would face justice, but the story didn't end there. A
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: few months later, an appeal was filed on Carol's behalf,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: citing his young age and the claim that his mental
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: health issues hadn't been fully addressed. On November twenty second,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the courtroom temporarily reduced his sentence to life in prison,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and it caused outrage. People in Crocoe, already scared about
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: what he had done, now feared that the system might
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: one day let him go free. The case was pushed
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, which reviewed psychiatric reports, trial transcripts,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and the defendant's own words. On March eleventh, nineteen sixty eight,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the original sentence was reinstated. The court declared that Carol
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: posed a permanent danger to society and that no sentence
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: other than death could adequately protect the public. When asked
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: if he had any regrets, Carol said yes, but not
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: for the victims. I regret that I didn't succeed in
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: all my plans, he.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Said, Oh, man, I kind of I sensed that going.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: That's brutal.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: On the evening of May sixteenth, nineteen sixty eight, Carrol
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Kopp walked calmly towards the gallows at a prison in
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: South Poland. He showed no sign of fear. There were
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: no pleas or breakdowns. He had confessed to everything, He
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: accepted his sentence, and now he was walking towards death
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: with the same eerie calm he'd showed since the very beginning.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Before his execution, he lit a cigarette, he drank a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: glass of water, and he spoke briefly with a priest,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: then said goodbye to the few family members allowed to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: see him. At six fifty pm, the noose was tied
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: around his neck and Carol Cought was hanged. He was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: twenty one years old.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Huh, well, okay, you don't. I mean, I guess it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: kind of an older case. But generally when people are
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: sence to death, it seems like it doesn't actually happen.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a long time. They end up dying
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: in in the cell instead. But now Carol's body was
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: buried in secret with no ceremony, and his family wasn't
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: told where it was standard procedure for executed victims or
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: sorry convicts, I should say, not victims. In Poland at
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the time, the system wanted to bury not just the man,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: but his story, his name, and this case as well
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: as his built infamy.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I mean, gosh, people would be visiting
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: it nowadays, really right? Yeah? Now.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately it didn't work to the degree they hoped. Because
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: news of his execution spread quietly and quickly. People felt relief,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: but also discomfort. Carol hadn't looked like a monster, but
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: he was one. He looked like one of their own,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a neighbor, a schoolmate, a young man in a red
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: student badge uniform who walked the same streets that they did,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and that made it all more terrifying. His family, once
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: seen as respectable and well regarded, became targets of anger
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and fear. Neighbors whispered, strangers pointed fingers. Carol's mother reportedly
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: didn't leave the house for two years. His father withdrew
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: from public life. The shame was unbearable, even though they
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: had no part in the crimes whatsoever. In the years
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that followed, rumors swirled one suggested that an autopsy revealed
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a brain tumor on Carol Caught, possibly explaining his behavior,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: but there was no medic documentation to support that, and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: some Polish authors have since debunked that story, pointing out
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that no autopsies were performed on executed prisoners at the time.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: What remained were memories and questions, and what remains today
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is the name and infamy as well. But still, how
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: did a child from a stable home with no record
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of abuse or trauma become a sadistic killer? How did
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: no one notice what was happening? Could anyone have stopped him?
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: There were no clear answers. Carol himself left behind, only
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: cryptic statements, most of which sounded more like twisted philosophy
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: than remorse. He said he killed for satisfaction, that suffering
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: was beautiful, that infliction on pain gave him a sense
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of calm. In his final interview, he summed it all
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: up in a single chilling sentence, quote, the pleasure I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: felt when the knife was cleaving the meat. It's impossible
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to describe. The experience is worth the gallows. More than
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: fifty years have passed since Carol Cott was hanged, but
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: his crime still cast a shadow over Croco today, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: over the study of criminal behavior in general too. His
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: name lives on in books, psychology lectures, and cold case retrospectives,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: but not because of just how many people he killed,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: but because of what he represented, a young, intelligent, seemingly
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: normal boy who chose to harm and did so without
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: hesitation or regret. Psychologists still debate what made him the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: monster that he was. Some believe he was born with
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: a rare form of psychopathy. Others pointed to signs of narcissism,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: an intense need to feel power, and a total inability
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to cope with frustration or rejection. There are moments in
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: his adolescence where some might have been able to have intervened.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: A teacher who looked the other way, a psychiatrist who
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: prescribed vitamins instead of deeper care, mates who shrugged off
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: his twisted fantasies as immature jokes, and no one along
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the way stopped him. Dinudah's decision to speak up remains
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the only real moment of intervention, and it likely saved
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of lives. His writings and interview suggest that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: he had ambitions that were growing. He wanted more victims.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: He dreamed of mass killings. In his writings, there were
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: passages of gas chambers, dismemberment. He said he would have
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: been at home in war, not as a soldier, but
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: as an executioner. In the end, though Carol's case doesn't
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: offer easy answers, there's no tragic backstory to point to,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: no sudden break, no visible descent into madness, just a slow,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: deliberate transformation from a curious child to a murderer who
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: saw pain as beauty. It makes one wonder how many
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: more like him exist, hidden in plain sight, behind polite smiles,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: quiet demeanors and locked bedroom doors. And that's the story
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: of Carol Kant, the Vampire of Croco.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a chilling end. Thank you for that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: You're welcome, because yeah, there are a lot of creepy
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: ass people just out in a boat.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I think I agree, And honestly, what the fuck when
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: he says it was worth the gallows?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Holy yeah? I like one years old? Like yep, Like
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he feels like he lived a fulfilled life really yeah,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: which is wild.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And I honestly think that he looked at his own
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: death in a very artistic and poetic way, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's why he walked so confidently without regret
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and remorse, because he saw his own death is beautiful. No. Wow,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: it might have been beautiful for the rest of the
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: world because he's gone, but that's about it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't for a lot of people, like you said,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: because you know, it was alarming because he didn't look
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like he should be this complete monster in the inside.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Now, don't get me wrong, I think that there is
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: beauty in nature and in death in that way, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: not in you going out and murdering people and having
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to go to court and face the consequences for your
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: actions and you get hung at the galloy. You think
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: that's beautiful.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a monster, oh man. Just like I mean
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: psychotic people or like psychopaths or whatever. Like it's their
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: minds are just they're in I want to say interesting,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: but that's like giving them too much credit. Really, Yeah,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know, it's just it's hard to comprehend.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: It's hard to understand.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Really, I don't think I could ever understand this individual.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's so many, so many serial killers and
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: stuff that are they're just like normal, like normal people,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like they are able to just flip the switch.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So, just like I said, how many are there out
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: there like this living right now? Could be your neighbor,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: could be your friend, could be someone across the world.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yep yep. Speaking of that, Dexter's coming out with a.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: New new series, Dexter Resurrected, isn't it.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I can't, I think so, but.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Resurrection Dexter Resurrection.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he is totally one. Like you know in this show,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: he like, oh, can easily seem come across as a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: normal individual and then yeah, and it's behind closed doors,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, holy shit, watch yourself.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's able to put on that front. I mean,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he grew up with this thirst for blood, right, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: he taught himself, you know, via his father as well
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: helping him in the show. If you watch it, you
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: know how to hide it and how to use it appropriately.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I just have to say I would have loved to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: be a fly on the wall when this young boy
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: just like they literally pass him a cup of blood
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: and he just like downs it like it's freaking kool aid.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I know, just watching the reaction of the world, like wow, Yeah,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, but what are you like, obviously there's
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: something wrong with that, but what can you do?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Well in that moment, I would have just been like, nope,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I'm out, fuck this, no thank. I would have just
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: like gone, I'm going home from work today. This kid
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: better not be back here when I come back.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I know, but like you would know, something's aw something's wrong,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: but like there's nothing you can do.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Really, there's no crime in drinking blood. It's disgusting, probably
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: very unhealthy, but I mean, what crime is there in the.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you know this kid is going
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to do some do some shit. Yeah, so holy this Okay,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: this was a wild one.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. Nicole clearly did.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. Every time I literally, okay, when
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm addressing you guys and talking to you guys listening,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I actually don't face Nicole and talk, I turned to
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the side almost like I'm facing where you guys are
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: sitting next to us.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're literally like, hi, guys, I'm literally.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Like looking at the side like where you guys should
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: be sitting next to us. So yeah, anyways, hopefully you guys,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm literally pointing to where you should be.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys enjoyed this was a good one.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was well done.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That aside. If you want to check out
• 57:13
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• 57:15
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• 57:18
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• 57:20
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• 57:24
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• 57:26
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• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Until next time, stay wicked.