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Welcome to multiple Nerdgasm with your hosts Matt, Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to.
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All. Things nerdy.
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Yeah, that's good, pretty good. I am very very hungover and
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tired. Yeah.
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I put Christmas drinks and my God, it's I'm too old for that.
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Matt, you've been in Iceland Wednesday.
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I understand. I.
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Had to restrain myself because, you know, I had to go pick my
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daughter up after the what, Christmas party so I couldn't go
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to nuts. So.
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But how's Iceland? Great.
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Amazing. Yeah, Yeah, I recommend it.
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I mean, yeah. It's cold.
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Sick as fuck. It was cold.
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There was more snow here when I got back than there had been in
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Iceland, but apparently it's not that unusual.
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OK, snow like you would think, but it was fucking cold.
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Yes. And very, very expensive.
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Yeah. Really.
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Once you're there, like, I was surprised.
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I guess I shouldn't have been, but I went to get a mulled wine.
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While we were. Hanging out at the Christmas
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markets and they were like he was like that'll be 17,000 krona
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I think and I was like hi, don't get the conversion on that.
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So I looked at my phone, I'm like $15 like for a little paper
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cup and I was like, that seems hell.
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Wow. And then I googled I.
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Mean that's a Sydney price right there.
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Oh, is it? 15 USD.
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That's 30 Australian dollars. Almost.
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So I googled, you know, Reykjavik expensive, and
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everyone's like, oh, it's fucking expensive because it's a
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island with like one of the things, not many people and
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resources and, and stuff like, oh, OK, yeah.
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So I'm gonna be paying out the arse.
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Yeah. But still worth it and so easy
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to get to from here that it's bizarre to me that.
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Yeah, right. Yeah, You forget because you
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look at a map and you're like, Nah.
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But then you look at a globe and you're like, oh, you're
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practically touching. It was just a stop on the way to
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England. Then they are and they said do
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you want to stay for a bit longer?
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And I was like, fuck yeah, I'll guess you Iceland so.
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Yeah, right. It's like a 5 hour flight from
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here. Oh, incredible.
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That all. For, for us, our flight from
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here, we're still in Australia. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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True. I mean, you could do that the
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other way. You used to be sure, America.
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For us, the starting point is a long way to get there.
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Once you're there though. But that's why, you know,
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they've, they've, I think it's pretty much the consensus now
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that the Vikings got to America before the the Italians did, you
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know? And it's like, yeah, because
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they just, they just sailed West to see what was out there.
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If we keep going, there'll be something.
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And there was and there was. I got a slight correction for
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something that I heard Luke say last week.
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Sorry, no. No, it's all right.
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It's all right. You've, you've the, the, the
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Discord server. I haven't set that up yet, so
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I'll try to do that this week. Now that now that it's been
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promised to people. Yeah, that's all right.
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Yeah. It's coming.
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Yeah, Yeah. No, it's good because.
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Luke promises things on air and then you have to just stumble
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around trying to fix it. I said I was going to do it and
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I forgot is the truth. And then and then Luke.
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And now it's. Calls me out and now.
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Now I have to do it, but he does.
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Yeah. There's yourself calling here on
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some of your other projects. Wow, the roast of Matt Ham.
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OK. Yeah, we'll be here all day.
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We do have some some other follow up Matt, last week's
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episode you you missed, but Bonnie Blue had been up to no
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good in Indonesia. Saw slash word.
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I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything.
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I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
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I. Was in Iceland.
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I suppose I wasn't. That's part of the thing.
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No one saw anything. The authorities got there early.
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No proof that they were gonna make a porno, Yeah.
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Interesting. Oh no, there's.
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A truth to terror a bunch. Of men.
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And a camera and. A camera do.
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You know what she got in trouble for?
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Because remember seeing her on the back of the Ute the bang bar
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scene? That's what she got in trouble
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for, for not using a vehicle for its intended use because she was
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standing on the back of it with people.
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Yeah. And you know what?
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The fine for that was $20. Or one year in jail.
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Jesus Christ. You get to choose.
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Yeah, I'll say this. And again, like people can do
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what they want. I don't want to slut shame.
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Whatever you're into, whatever you want to do, that's power to
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her, whatever, whatever. But when I saw her sitting in
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the back of that truck that they had hand painted bang bus on,
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driving around the streets of Bali, I was like who is the
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audience for this and why don't you have more sophisticated
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taste? Yeah.
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Well, basically it's for barely legal males.
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That's the role he is. I know that.
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I know that's how she says it, but it's just some.
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It's even dirtier when you say it.
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I don't see the attraction to her either.
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It's. No, but I mean no whatever.
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Whatever. No, I don't.
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I don't see it either. But yeah, $20 or a year in jail,
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she paid her $20 and now she's banned from Bali.
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I I was gonna say, it says here that she's banned from Bali,
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which, OK, I mean, fairly serious consequences, I suppose
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you wanna go there, but. I think it's because they knew
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what the plan was, there was just no evidence for it of
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course. Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't like
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that. Oh sorry, our mistake.
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It's not coy about this stuff. That would like give us the
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footage and she's like we haven't started we're.
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Gonna come in the country and. Fuck all the boys, hmm?
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You hadn't got heat like 20 minutes later.
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I probably would have done 3 or 4.
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Yeah, at a time. Well, all right.
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Happy ending. Wink, wink.
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No, not at the time, I'll correct you there.
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It's because during the last thousand man gangbang they she
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only worked out to do them one at a time about halfway through.
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Up until then, it was just everyone crowded around and
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trying to just put it in her. About halfway through, somebody
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was like, we need a production manager here to actually.
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She's not good at logistics, Dad.
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Tell me Body Blue didn't think these things through.
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Come on mate. Look I think she need like 1054
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in 12 hours or something ridiculous.
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You know what I want to know, you know, there's heaps of guys
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that were like, oh, it wasn't worth it.
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I just fucking. I've got only a couple of
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thrusts in and I didn't even get to finish.
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How many of them do you reckon finished each other off, back
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outside? You know what I mean?
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We're so revved up. Yeah, you'll.
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There's only one thing to do know.
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What happens in prison? That's why body blew.
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I never been to crying in her. In her interview, she was crying
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because she couldn't get them all to come because it was just
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a timing thing. It was just.
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Sure, Yeah, sure she was. Yeah, yeah.
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She was just so overwhelmed with sadness.
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Yeah, there's a tears of disappointment on my own part.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not internal hemorrhaging.
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Oh man. Still, you definitely want to be
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one of the first ones. No, I don't don't want to be.
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Anyone of the 1st. Ones, yeah, but here's the
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thing. You'd have to go back in time a
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long way to to be it's it's a it's a long continuous list, you
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know? Mm.
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Hmm. I mean, Luke wants to get in
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there before she figures out that she's got to stop you at a
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certain point, yeah. But also don't forget Luke.
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The first ones were like fucking 8 to 12 guys all going around at
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OH. That's right, you know.
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Fight. Yeah, Luke's basically said I
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don't want to wait until it's one-on-one.
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I want to go in there when it's like every man for himself, I
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think. Any one of us is alpha enough to
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to to, you know, enjoy that experience.
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Yeah, man, you would have to be so fucking detached.
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Yeah. From humanity.
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There's only at least 1000 of them that were that detached
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that they could do it. Yeah, at least not for me.
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What else has been happening this week?
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I watched some James Bond movies on the plane.
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You did, yeah. Yeah, I'm still continuing my my
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watch of of them all. I've watched.
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I watched both. Timothy Dalton.
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On films, it is sad that there's only two Timothy Dalton ones.
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Yeah, I felt I was like, why did he only do 2?
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And I looked it up, apparently there was a third in progress.
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But because of legal rights with the films, because there's this
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whole, you know, this whole thing about, you know, like
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never Say never again, there's like, which is technically not
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an official Bond film because it was Aeon Productions got the
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rights to Thunderball, but only Thunderball.
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And so there's like this whole thing where James Bond was kind
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of split between 2:00. Yeah.
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And then anything that was in Thunderball is also off the
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table. They're like Blofeld, for
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example. Yeah.
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So it's very. And I think Casino Royale's
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rights have been sold separately too, which is why that was never
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a canonical Bond until Daniel Craig.
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But there is ATV Special based on it and there is that spoof
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movie because those rights were up for grabs elsewhere.
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Righto. OK, I like the spoof movie The
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best. Do you?
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Yeah, So there's. OK Well, so there was going to
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be a third one, but it because of all the legal stuff, it got
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tied up and Timothy Dolan apparently got the shits and
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said, Nah, I can't be bothered waiting.
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I need to go. Yeah, I want to go get paid
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somewhere. I want to get some acting, so
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yeah, he. Royal Shakespeare Company.
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So that's a shame and he's very good.
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Was the third movie going to be Goldeneye and they just recast
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it or was it going to? Be something that would make
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sense, but I don't know yeah because his movies I'd.
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Like to have seen his Goldeneye? The two that he's that I can't
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remember the name of the first one just.
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Licensed to kill. Oh.
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No living daylights. It is Living Daylights.
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For some reason I kept thinking that's Roger Moore, but no, no,
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they're very good. And they're much more serious
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than the Roger Moore ones. They're not completely serious.
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They still have funny bits. Yeah, like this a bit.
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Even Living Daylights where the he's got the Aston Martin with
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all these gadgets, but he's also convinced this woman who's like
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a Russian defector that he's is that the is that?
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The one I'm thinking of, yes. Does she play the cello?
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He doesn't want her to know he's a British agent.
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So he's just like, oh, that's weird.
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What's the what's the car shooting at people?
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That's very that's a little bit silly.
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And like, he uses a laser to chop the top off a police car
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and he goes what he gets. Rust damage is terrible around
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here. And like, so it's got some silly
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bits, but overall it's much darker.
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In turn though, yeah. Especially license to kill.
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License to Kill. Is this quite Somebody gets put
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into a pressurized? Yeah, it's got Felix lighting.
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It's eaten by a shark. That's right.
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Yeah, that guy, what's his name, gets put in the pressure thing
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and like, blows up and blood. Sprays.
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I remember seeing that when I was quite young and and thinking
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that was quite. Felicio Del Toro gets thrown
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into the the mashing machine for the cocaine and it's blood
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sprays everywhere. Ruining all that coke.
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Yeah, well they they burnt the place down after that, so yeah.
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But they are very good. Snort Benicio del Toro.
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But I also, you just reminded me when you mentioned Casino Royale
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that I've been reading the books and they are very good but
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problematic in certain ways, for example.
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Gets their existed dishes with all the problematic words still
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in. There, I, I, that's, we talked
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about that, right? Yeah.
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I intentionally tried to find. So Casino Royale doesn't have as
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much of this. It does have one quote that I
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wanted to read to you though, because I was reading it and I
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was like Jesus Christ. Yeah, you gotta wait till he
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goes to the Caribbean, then it's all.
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So he he hooks up with Vespa, right?
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But as you will recall from the film, the place quite similar.
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She's technically a double agent.
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Sorry, spoilers, but but oh, you know.
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From a book from 1950. Yeah, exactly.
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So while she is having sex with him, she presumably doesn't
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actually want to 100% or she's feeling unsure about it.
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And so there's this line where he says that that he's talking
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about how like, you know, oh, it's fucking great.
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But like, yeah, sure, if she was caught into it.
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And then there's this line. But that conquest of her body,
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because of the central privacy in her, would each time have the
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sweet Tang of rape. Oh.
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My God, that's like what the. Fuck.
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Like in other words, it it was, it was, it would have been good
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anyway, but it was even better because he just thought, yeah,
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he doesn't want this. What is the sweet Tang of rape
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and why are you just putting that in there?
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Ian Fleming? Why are you referring to it that
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way? Yeah, how is this?
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Sweet Tang, I would. Never think to call it that.
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No, no, a rapist might. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. But in fact, we would even, we
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would recontextualize that whole thing by being like, at the time
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I was having fun, but then I suspected that she wasn't, so it
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ruined the whole thing for. Me, yeah.
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Because I kept thinking, oh, I don't, oh, we don't want to do
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that kind of thing. Yeah.
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Whereas he's like, oh, this is. Interesting, this is better.
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I might I might be able to go again actually.
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Sorry, a little coughing fit there A.
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Thousand of my mates in. So that that ain't Casino
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Royale. And then also in I'm now into
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Live and Let Die, which is actually the second book, which
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is, as you'll recall, the one about the kind of voodoo stuff
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with Tanaka in the in the in the movie, but in this.
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It's not. Is that the second book?
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Yes. In public order.
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Wow, I. Mean it's of it's time.
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It's just got a lot of the N word, yeah, but it's not used.
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It's used casually in a way where I think obviously he's not
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trying to be racist or anything, he's just using the palace at
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the time, but it's just very confronting now it's got and
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sorry the the 2 N words because there's.
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Yes, the NE and the NI. Correct.
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Yeah, both of them. Like as in that is just how they
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describe people. One of those I feel is almost
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still fine in its historical context.
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Right, except for the other ones, because I remember when we
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talked about, I think we talked about this with the, with the,
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the rework of the books they removed, they said one of the
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things they addressed was that he, he mentions unnecessarily at
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times the race of people, but he does.
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And so I and reading it, I was just like, yeah, I don't, I
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didn't need to, didn't need to say it.
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That way didn't add anything to what was.
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I've been reading a lot of Graham Greene, who is a
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contemporary of Fleming and also writes spy fiction and espionage
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fiction. He does the same thing too.
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It's like you didn't have to put the N word in front of that
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sentence. Correct, he could have just the
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the man. And I would have gotten by all
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the context clues that that he was black.
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Like you've made that abundantly clear without having to pop that
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little signifier in there. Yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, but other than that, they are actually very good.
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Like I can see why they were popular.
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They're kind of kind of interesting and thrilling.
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And the and the Felix light of getting eaten by shark is in
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that book in. Yeah, to live and let die, which
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is also interesting to see. Oh, Felix is more than that.
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They take a train. Yeah.
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Well, he if he if he doesn't die, he's missing limb.
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He's got bites at him, so yeah, right.
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Yeah. And then there's they catch a
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train down from from New York to Florida.
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So there's bits in that as if there's still these bits that
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I'm like, oh, OK, that's in this film.
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And they've taken that and they've put it in here.
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And then, yeah, it's just interesting.
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Oh that is interesting. I've only read a couple of the
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books. I have read Casino Royale and I
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for some reason I randomly read The Man with the Golden Gun.
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I read that From Russia With Love, but I think they're the
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only three I've read. I would like to go through them.
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I watched an interesting movie this week.
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Sweet Tang. That's not the that's not the
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name of this podcast. OK, it's not.
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Not even just Sweet Tang, it's just none of it's going in
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there. Yeah, Tang is I just it's just a
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drink here. I.
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Did see AI did see a meme? Yeah I remember Tang from the
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80s. I saw a meme the other day.
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What? Not a meme but just something on
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the Internet. It's all memes now.
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It's just, they all look like memes.
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Somebody said. I, I, I read the, the book Jaws
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that the movie Jaws is based on and they're like the lead guy
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says faggot in the 1st chapter and she's like, but this is the
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lead guy. Like what's the shark gonna say?
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But I watched a movie called The Carpenter's Son.
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Oh, I have that ready to watch, but I have not watched it.
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Look, I loved it, but it's not what you think.
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And I don't know who this movie's for, right?
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Because, yes, this can only be described as a horror movie
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about Jesus as a child. Right, Right.
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Starring Nicolas Cage. Yeah.
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OK. All the elements are there and
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it is that, but it is not some like tongue in cheek.
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She's hot. It is deadly serious and like
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biblically accurate to the infant Gospel of Thomas, which
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is based on one, she was one of the synoptic gospels like the
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non canonical gospels, right, right.
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And it's basically just what would happen if you were a small
19:00
family back in like fucking 015AD and your little boy was
19:09
doing magic. Like you'd be like, is this OK
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or is this really fucked? Like so Nicolas Cage plays
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Joseph and he's like, don't be doing any of that fucking magic
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shit. Right?
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And then and then Mary seems OK with it and he's like, tell me
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again who his fucking dad is. Tell me in.
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My fucking face. And she's like, God, he's like,
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yeah, you're still going with that.
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OK, fine. Like it's.
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But it's fucking great. Like I reckon it's.
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Sort of a horror movie. I thought it'd be sort of like
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where he comes back to life and I.
19:46
Was expecting that presents the resurrection.
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Yeah, but it is not it is like you would have to understand
19:53
enough about the Bible to appreciate the detail that
19:57
they've put into this movie. Yeah, right.
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But at the same time. Be open enough to a radical
20:04
interpretation, yeah, you know, to not be completely offended by
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it. I'm.
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Certainly. Open that guy does he up on
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stage he kills at least one person in this Yeah, there's
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this awesome bit where someone someone dares him because
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they're they're kids, right? It's kids.
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Someone dares him to touch this leper, you know, touch it.
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Fucking touch it. And he's getting real close.
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And and then he does touch it and he gets fucking healed,
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right? And that's how he realizes he
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can heal people. But everyone thinks, you know,
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like, that's not natural, right? But then he works out.
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He can do it in reverse, and he fucking magics the life out of
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some guy. Yeah, right.
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Like, oh God, yeah, he's got to load his power somehow.
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That's right, Luke. God, yeah.
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Yeah, your Lord and mine. But it's very good.
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Nicolas Cage is very good. It's very good.
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FKA Twigs, whoever the fuck that is, is very good.
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FKA twigs? I've heard of that.
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She's in the Crow remake and this and I think she's a.
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Musician. Oh yeah, I know her.
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Very. Odd name, odd lady by the look
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of it. On a good way.
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I'll. Have to check that out.
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Speaking of Nicholas Cage, just, well, we're in in Manchester at
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the hotel Lira went to bed, obviously because child and on
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the TV was The Unbearable Weight.
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Oh. I still haven't seen that or.
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Talent, whatever it is that the guy's so fucking good, I've got
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to. Watch it.
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The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, something like that.
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Yeah, I do have to watch that, Yeah.
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Pedro Pascal is so good in it. Is he?
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He's so funny, you've got to watch it.
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Always quite good. I don't think I've ever watched
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a Pedro Pascal movie and went me.
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He's like the the head of this like arms cartel and like but
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he's like this really mild mannered guy who just wants to
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make a movie like you got. Oh, he's so.
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Funny. Cool.
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Yeah, I was. Read this script that he wants
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to watch this cage to be in his movie.
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Did you end up seeing the second Wonder Woman movie, Matt?
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I know Luke and I saw it, but. No, I did hear that he basically
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spends half the movie looking like he's just shocked at how
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bad Gal Gadot is. Like in the movie he's like.
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Have you seen there's a I've I've seen it on Instagram, but I
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think she's a tik toker. But she does.
22:28
She looks a bit like Gal Gadot, and she's like, what if Gal
22:30
Gadot was in this video? Harry Potter.
22:33
Yeah, you're Harry Potter. I mean, it's it's mean, but
22:40
it's. Oh yeah, but it was dead
22:43
accurate. It's fucking bang on.
22:47
Yeah. God, that went down the wrong
22:51
way. That lime cordial.
22:53
This is why I drink beer. Never had that problem with
22:57
beer. I do receive to recall about a
23:00
year ago that Luke was like, you know what guys?
23:04
I'm drinking fucking 10 gin and tonics every night.
23:07
I'm getting out of shape. I'm going to, I'm going to get
23:09
healthy. I'm going to start drinking
23:10
sugar free tonic. Have you, Luke, have you
23:16
switched to sugar free tonic? I have.
23:18
OK, good boy. I I drank Hoxton quite a bit
23:24
when I was in the Cotswolds. Hoxton.
23:27
Yeah. Jeremy Clarkson's beer.
23:28
Oh. Yes, because you went there,
23:30
didn't you? I did.
23:31
It's OK. Make some good beer at Hoxton.
23:34
Go to the brewery. Is it an?
23:36
Aisle or a lager or a start? What?
23:37
Is it they make all of this, They make all the companies.
23:39
They've got Ipas, they've got lagers.
23:41
The the premium lager I think is their kind of main 1 and it is
23:45
delicious. Yeah, I drink that a few times.
23:49
Yeah. And then with the farmer's dog,
23:50
with those who've seen Clarkson's Farm, we'll know what
23:52
that is. It's his kind of pub restaurant.
23:56
Yeah. It's busy, nice man, it's all
23:59
his. All the stuff he's got there is
24:00
very nice and very well done. I.
24:03
Mean he's got the money, but. Yeah.
24:06
He's he's also trying to inject money into the town and stuff as
24:09
well from. Yeah, so we made the restaurant.
24:11
Show. We had dinner at the restaurant.
24:12
Sometimes. Everything there, it says the
24:14
signs up that says everything you're eating was grown in the
24:18
area. Or at the very least if we
24:20
couldn't get it in this area, it's from Britain.
24:22
There isn't nothing on this menu.
24:24
There's not from Britain and like outside.
24:27
So they've got the tent from the Grand Tour is now a shop there.
24:31
You can go in and they've got like there's like a they sell
24:34
the beer and they sell all sorts of stuff like Diddly Squat farm
24:39
merch. I got AI got gin, Diddly Squat
24:41
Gin. I got we got a bunch of stuff,
24:43
but there's a like a burger truck out the side of the Grand
24:49
Tour tent during the day. So you can get like get like a
24:51
burger. And there's a big sign that
24:53
says, can I have ketchup? No, you can't have fucking
24:55
ketchup. And then underneath it explains
24:57
they don't make ketchup in Britain.
24:58
You can't have it, right? It's like, yeah, we own, yeah,
25:02
only British stuff. It's quite cool.
25:04
What sauce do they put on a burger?
25:07
I didn't get a burger because they didn't have a veggie one.
25:08
It's a good question. Yeah, I guess that was going to
25:10
be my next question. HP sauce probably.
25:13
Oh, HP Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mind.
25:16
They're big on vinegar and chips over there, aren't they?
25:18
Yes, I love vinegar and chips. That's the best.
25:21
Yeah, I actually used vinegar this week for some cleaning
25:24
because, you know, I'm just fucking fully domesticated now,
25:28
but just the smell of it made me want chips.
25:30
Delicious. No, you.
25:31
Can't really get them anymore. It's not really chips on offer.
25:35
No vinegar and chips. Oh, even chips like the the
25:38
chips like we used to have as a kid.
25:40
No, yeah. That don't exist and I don't
25:42
mean England. There was somewhere here I got
25:44
chips the other day that. That were good.
25:46
Oh, it was a pub in we went to lunch at work and there was to
25:51
like, it's like an Irish pub. And they gave, I got fish and
25:54
chips and it was actual proper chips, like I would know them,
25:56
not fries like they usually do. Yeah, right.
25:58
I put some malt vinegar on the table and I was like, oh fuck
26:00
yeah. Hello.
26:02
Yeah, it was an American. No, it was an Irish pub.
26:09
Yeah, had a good time. Lyra has told us that she never
26:13
wants to go to another restaurant.
26:15
We obviously we're on vacation. Sit there.
26:19
Quietly. Yeah, so we had to, I mean,
26:21
that's how you eat when you're on vacation because you can't
26:23
cook anything, right? And literally the third day
26:27
we're in Wrexham and we walk in. It's it's in the evening, we
26:30
walk into a brewery and she walks in and she looks around
26:34
and she goes, why are we in another restaurant?
26:38
Like. Some people start looking over
26:40
and we're like, what? She she goes, I'm not going to
26:42
any more restaurants. I will not.
26:45
And then it's like, all right, honey, just come and stay. 4
26:48
year olds ever get to Antrim? And then in the hotel in
26:51
Manchester, we said, OK, good brush.
26:53
We've been walking around all day looking at the Christmas
26:55
markets in Manchester, and she was a trooper.
26:58
But then she goes, we say, go brush your teeth.
27:00
So she goes in the bathroom and then we can hear and they're
27:01
going, Illyria, come over here. Let's go look at this.
27:04
Illyria, let's go over there. Look at this over and over
27:07
again. Why is everybody making me walk
27:09
all over the place? I'm sick of it.
27:10
I just want to relax while I want vacation.
27:13
Amazing, amazing. And so she was just having that
27:18
conversation with herself. Fucking 4 year old having a rant
27:21
in the bathroom. It's very fun, there's some
27:26
interesting teenagers. It's like the last episode of
27:29
The Jinx. Yes, exactly.
27:31
Yeah, left the mic on. Yeah.
27:35
So so we met to find some more kid friendly stuff for her to
27:40
do. Obviously.
27:40
Yeah. Fair, Yeah.
27:43
Because it's hard. You want to try and pack as much
27:44
as you can in, but I don't want to.
27:46
Be bored. It's just very difficult
27:48
because, like, you know, you're on vacation.
27:51
And then again, I don't know, kids can be bored by things that
27:55
shouldn't be boring to them too. Like it's just true.
27:58
Yeah, we will go to the library today.
28:00
And just before we left, HUB was like, I'm just going to get my
28:02
iPad. And we're like, why?
28:05
Just like, it's like I watch my iPad in the library.
28:07
I'm like. Yeah, why are we going to a lot
28:10
of books? Watch your.
28:11
IPad when we get back here. We took, yeah, Lyra's frabinet,
28:19
as she calls it. She knows that tablets are
28:22
tablets, but hers? It's still called Frabinet
28:25
because that's what she called it because it was.
28:26
Always called. Yeah, and it's just like at some
28:29
point. She's going to stop you for now.
28:31
Yeah, it's. Like, yeah, OK, that's Frabinet
28:33
and all the others are tablets. It's like.
28:36
Funny. There's been some Avengers
28:42
doomsday news. This week.
28:46
The trailer leaked apparently. I haven't seen, did you either
28:48
you guys see it? No, 'cause the trailer's still
28:50
not out yet. Anytime it sort of gets put up,
28:53
it's taken down. Yes, I've never been able to
28:55
catch it. Yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of
28:57
AI ones, but don't be fools. It is out like out out now
29:01
because it's with in front of the new Avatar movie.
29:04
MMM, you've got some James Cameron used to.
29:07
But so, so people have seen it and we've confirmed the main
29:10
thing, which is, I mean, people are complaining about spoilers
29:13
because of this, but it's not fucking spoiler.
29:14
It's in all the trailers and everybody just knows Chris Evans
29:18
is back, Captain America's back. They have fucking undone all
29:24
that shit because nobody's watching these movies anymore.
29:27
Yeah, just put the cut, put the cast we like back in.
29:31
Roman Danny Junior's back. He's a different character.
29:34
But is he back? Let's see how they play it out.
29:37
Yes. So yeah, sad, honestly, in a
29:43
way, it's like I'm. Not going to try to see Avatar
29:46
and tomorrow and. Have you seen the second avatar?
29:51
I've seen the second one. OK.
29:52
I haven't seen the second one. I haven't.
29:54
Wouldn't it's way the first avatar was so bad?
29:59
I liked it when I first saw it. I haven't really watched it
30:02
again since I'm. I think he liked how good it
30:05
looked. I don't think he liked the.
30:06
Movie. Yeah, because that's what I
30:09
remember taking from it. I still remember the.
30:11
Best description of it was from friend of the podcast Brian
30:14
Moses, who said he felt like he was getting a massage and the
30:18
massage was OK, but he could feel the masseuse's erection
30:21
pressing against him. And it just it.
30:24
Just ruined it. Yeah, well, we've got some
30:32
Avatar related news actually, if you want to talk about this.
30:34
This made me laugh because. James Cameron.
30:36
Yeah, so Matt Damon apparently said a few years ago, he claimed
30:43
in an interview that he had been cast in Avatar as Jake Sully is
30:49
the lead role, but he turned it down because he was doing a
30:53
Bourne movie and even though they had offered him 10% of
30:57
Avatars prophet. Oh wow.
31:00
He had had to turn it down and and so he always felt like you'd
31:05
missed out because of that. And then the premise of this
31:09
article is that James Cameron is is shooting down that.
31:12
But let me read you what James Cameron said.
31:14
And you tell me if this sounds like he's saying this didn't
31:18
happen or if he's saying in a weird way that it did happen.
31:22
So he says he was never offered the part.
31:25
I can't remember if I sent him the script or not.
31:27
I don't think I did. And then we wound up on a call
31:30
and he said I'd love to explore doing a movie with you.
31:32
I have a lot of respect for you as a filmmaker.
31:34
Avatar sounds intriguing, but I really have to do this Jason
31:37
Bourne movie. I've agreed to it.
31:38
It's a direct conflict, so regretfully I have to turn it
31:41
down. But he was never offered.
31:42
There was never there was. We never talked about the
31:45
character. We never got to that level.
31:46
It was simply an availability issue.
31:49
Like what? It doesn't sound like it, James,
31:52
it sounds like and then and then the next.
31:53
He says later on he felt compelled to call me personally
31:56
and tell me he didn't want it to come from his agent.
31:58
That's an honourable guy. Why would he?
32:00
Why was it his agent have called you about a thing?
32:03
That called you? Yeah, out of the fucking blue.
32:07
Yeah, so I mean, but that this matters, but it doesn't sound
32:10
like he wasn't offered that James the way you're.
32:12
Telling it sounds like yeah. It sounds like he's.
32:14
Open admitting that you. Are asking him to be in the
32:16
movie and he called you to say he couldn't do it and you.
32:20
It feels like he's just an an old rambling man.
32:23
And he even said, look, I've I love your films.
32:26
I've always wanted to work with you.
32:27
I respect you as a director, but I just can't.
32:29
It's just the timing. He throws that in there too, He
32:32
told me. He told me how good I was.
32:33
He told me was very handsome. And yeah, that's right, he told
32:36
me if the biggest penis you've I've ever seen.
32:38
But yeah, it's a very strange. More like he was offered than it
32:47
wasn't. That's.
32:47
What I'm saying, even the way he's telling it sounds like
32:50
obviously more to it than that. We never talked 100.
32:53
He just called me to tell me he couldn't do it.
32:56
OK, why? And I respect him for calling me
32:58
and telling me in person. Yeah, because otherwise his
33:00
agent would have had to do it. Why would his agent have had to
33:03
do that? If he was an office, I had even
33:05
sent him the script giving him nothing.
33:07
But yeah, I. Don't remember even sending him
33:09
the script but anyway he said to me I love the script.
33:11
Am I? Supposed to call James Cameron
33:12
every time he makes a movie and say sorry mate I can't do it.
33:15
Sorry, I wasn't in that movie. I respect you as a film maker,
33:20
but I just don't have the time. I've got work.
33:21
I've got work. In the morning.
33:23
Yeah, that's very funny. Yeah.
33:28
And there's another one that I thought he does get up for good,
33:31
Zynga, I think in this one, which is he was talking about
33:35
how science fiction films aren't really recognized in the Academy
33:40
Awards and such because, for example, Denny Villeneuve didn't
33:45
get best director for Dune, even though largely, but I think
33:48
people agree those were. There's some of the better films
33:51
of Yeah. And, And so James Cameron says,
33:55
you know, Denis Ville, you've made those two magnificent Dune
33:58
films. But apparently these films made
33:59
themselves because he wasn't considered a director, not even
34:02
by the Directors Guild. It's like, OK, you can play the
34:05
awards games or you can play the game that I like to play, which
34:08
is make movies that people actually go to.
34:13
Yeah. That was a pretty good zinger
34:15
I'll give him. Enough and not many people.
34:17
People could say it, but James Cameron can say it.
34:20
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so far.
34:22
Because honestly, up until Avatar, I've watched anything he
34:24
fucking made. Yeah, yeah.
34:26
Yeah, I think these Avatar sequels are will test the James
34:33
Cameron's ability to, I don't think go.
34:34
To theatre, even the last one did that well.
34:36
I think I had like a good opening weekend, but I don't
34:38
think. Enough people who?
34:39
Don't know. Sure anyone out?
34:40
I'd forgotten. Like he did have.
34:43
Was it from Titanic on? Maybe it was before Titanic, but
34:46
from Titanic? Top grossing film of all time.
34:49
Yeah, he just toppled them repeatedly.
34:52
And so he has does have a track record where he can, yeah, he
34:54
can say this stuff, but. Yeah.
34:59
Yeah, and then I've I also see he's claimed something else this
35:04
week. Is that true?
35:05
Yeah, James. Cameron he has.
35:07
He has officially stated that he wrote the script for Point Break
35:11
that his then wife uncredited him.
35:16
Oh. And and and went and made the
35:20
movie with her name, with only her name on it.
35:23
And he just kept quiet about it until now.
35:25
And that's why ex-wife I. Don't know about that.
35:31
He's got a couple of ex wives. Yeah, he does, yeah.
35:34
Because he keeps the other Hamilton being.
35:36
One of them. Yeah, I'll take any of his
35:38
sloppy seconds, that's for sure. Speaking of Lyndon Hamilton,
35:42
Stranger Things. Oh she's not?
35:45
Yes she is. I've only watched the 1st 2
35:46
episodes so just watch what you say all.
35:49
Right, but she's in that. She's in it now, OK.
35:51
I've seen her, yeah. I haven't started yet, I might
35:54
start. That she has an identical twin.
35:56
I did know that, yeah. I did not know that.
35:58
Yeah, I found out. This week I just, I, I just saw
36:01
a picture and it was like Linda Hamilton and her twin.
36:04
And I was like, oh. Linda Hamilton and Linda
36:06
Hamilton, Yes, I promised the listeners.
36:17
When I updated the Patreon, I promised the patrons a new
36:20
segment. OK.
36:23
So we could, I don't know if it's going to be good, but did
36:25
you want to try out a new segment?
36:27
Let's. Try it.
36:27
Definitely try a new segment, yeah.
36:29
All right. I'm going to call this segment
36:31
review review. And I love it.
36:35
What I'd like to do, just for funsies, is take a look at some
36:39
negative reviews of films that we like and just see how we feel
36:44
about that, right? So I thought to kick it off, I'd
36:49
go with an obvious think obvious movie to start and that is Star
36:53
Wars. A.
36:55
New Hope specifically. Great.
36:57
Yep. Little bit of Star Wars news
36:58
later, we'll tease that. All right, very good.
37:01
I won't spend too long on it because I don't know.
37:04
Yeah. Is this?
37:05
A contemporary review. The Review.
37:07
Yes, I want to know when the review came out.
37:09
Yeah. Yeah, these are contemporary
37:10
reviews. That's how I thought that would
37:11
be interesting because obviously we have nostalgia in a way that
37:14
people don't when they watch it now.
37:15
Yeah, when they've just gone to see it.
37:18
First review What's the point of this movie?
37:21
Spaceships don't even exist. Actually, they do.
37:27
Feels very modern. That feels like a like a modern.
37:30
But don't we have spaceships like, I don't understand,
37:33
classified like the old shuttles of spaceships?
37:36
Yeah, What is it? What am I watching?
37:38
What is this? Wookie.
37:39
Wookie isn't real. I've never.
37:41
Seen a wookie? Why have I not heard about this?
37:44
What is this documentary? Next review I didn't watch this
37:50
but I had a really bad day today.
37:51
I almost fell down the stairs I was so scared.
37:54
I just definitely laugh. Someone felt the need to post
37:57
that on the Star? Wars, who's just lonely.
37:58
You wanted to talk to someone and that's his safe face.
38:03
Star Wars more like stupid fucking dumb shit movie for butt
38:06
heads. A good one.
38:11
My history teacher in middle school made me write a 5 page
38:14
essay on how this shit relates to the Roman Empire and I
38:17
fucking hated it ever since. I didn't like do neither, and
38:20
I'm only minorly amused by Georgia CGI monster editions in
38:23
this 2011 revision. Oh wow.
38:26
OK. If you watch Star Wars you get
38:30
no pussy. Sorry, he's saying the only
38:32
thing he liked were the extra bits added in in 2011.
38:35
He was really mildly interested in those.
38:38
Yeah, but that was the best part for it.
38:44
Oh, this one. This one will trigger you
38:47
probably. Presumably this is something of
38:50
a let down after Avenge of the Sith.
38:52
Perhaps I should have watched these films in order of release.
38:54
I mean, it's perfectly fine, but is this honestly better than the
38:56
prequels? Really.
38:58
Cool, cool. It's not our world anymore.
39:03
But I could understand watching it that way you go, why did it
39:07
like it was very difficult because.
39:09
Everyone suddenly got mustaches. Yes.
39:13
Yeah, where's all the lightsaber fights and people, Jedi throwing
39:17
things at each other? Yeah, Jedi speed that never gets
39:20
used again all. Right, we'll get into some more
39:24
serious ones because those are obviously just silly.
39:26
You know what I found I had to do was you can't look at the one
39:29
star reviews. They're just trash.
39:31
You got to go like 3 star if you actually want a.
39:33
Reasonable. Sort of actual.
39:35
Somebody who's actually watched the whole.
39:36
Movie. It might be somewhat
39:37
interesting, yeah. A New Hope is easily my least
39:41
favorite in the franchise. I get that it was influential
39:44
for its time, but watching it now, it just doesn't hold up.
39:46
The visuals feel outdated, the pacing is too slow, and the
39:48
story feels kind of empty. It's a simple hero's journey,
39:52
but nothing really stands out compared to later movies.
39:55
The acting is hit or miss. 4 is great.
39:56
Hamill feels awkward at times. While I respect what it did for
39:59
cinema, as a movie, it's just not that engaging.
40:02
What do you guys think about that?
40:05
It's hard for me to. Agree specifics.
40:07
It's hard to pick it apart, really isn't.
40:10
It it is hard for me to agree, but is that because I saw it in
40:12
a time when I mean. When that was the greatest thing
40:16
that had ever been made. I don't understand how you
40:19
wouldn't be engaged by it, but then I've I watched it a long
40:23
time. I find it hard really saying
40:24
it's slow. I think what they mean is just
40:28
in terms of pacing out the story, it's there's like heaps
40:34
on Tatooine and then they get off Tatooine and then there's
40:38
heaps on their way to the death * and then they do the Death
40:41
Star and then it's then, then it's the assault at the end.
40:44
Like it's nothing. Everything just happens very
40:47
chronologically, this and then this and then this.
40:51
There's no like the movie. Movie time versus real, real
40:56
lifetime. But that's what made movies in
40:59
the 70s. Because one I saw that didn't
41:01
include either mentioned the the, the the big battle at the
41:05
end and just how boring that was.
41:07
Like they were in they liked the movie and then at the last 20
41:09
minutes they were just like, I know, right.
41:11
But it's just like I guess. Because the trench run let them
41:13
down. What?
41:15
Yeah. And I maybe that's because
41:17
modern action is just so like more genetic stimulating.
41:22
Yeah. Like whereas I mean at the time
41:25
this was that, yes. Like, even the battle at the
41:29
start of Revenge of the Sith, that is like a lot of stuff
41:33
going on ship blowing up everywhere.
41:35
Like there's some people like there, yeah.
41:38
Yeah, it's the only part of Revenge of the Sith I liked.
41:41
Was that that one scene? Yeah.
41:43
Battle of the The opening. I thought, oh, we're on the
41:45
right track and. Then yeah.
41:48
It started talking again. Yeah.
41:52
But yes, so some, some, some critical, it's a critical views
41:56
of a New Hope. That's great.
41:58
That's very good. Another one I looked at was
42:02
Blade Runner. Because.
42:05
I know people don't like it but. There are people that don't like
42:08
this and I'll say before we even begin, it is very slow.
42:14
I fucking. Love it.
42:14
It is, but it's very slow it I like that about.
42:19
It to be slow. Yeah, I like that about it.
42:21
But I understand if you don't. That's fine.
42:23
Yeah, all. Right.
42:26
Reviews of Blade Runner? No offence but literally what
42:28
the fuck is this about? When you have to start a review
42:32
with the phrase no offence, no. Offence.
42:36
I kept falling asleep and then waking up to flashing lights and
42:39
synth music. I don't know what happened.
42:44
I like this one. Apparently everyone in the
42:48
future is miserable with a great coat.
42:51
Yeah, like that. We've got nothing bad to say
42:54
about that review. That review gets 10 out of 10,
42:57
Yeah. Slowest movie ever and people
43:00
will continue to talk about it as a cult classic on the same
43:02
level as Titans like Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones 0 action
43:06
until the end. Harrison Ford is great and the
43:08
world is interesting but nothing happens in this movie.
43:11
It's a 2 hour piss break. Wow.
43:19
Yeah, well, so. Yeah, I can sort of understand
43:22
why. It is a very, very slow movie.
43:26
Yes, yeah. Takes its time, yeah.
43:29
Yeah, I think also people forget like.
43:31
To watch it on it's time, not on your time.
43:34
Isn't it our whole thing about people wanting to get off Earth?
43:38
Sure to the. Earth is.
43:40
Yeah, is. Street like, that's what it is
43:43
and that's why people want to leave.
43:46
Yeah, except for the replicas that want to come to Earth to.
43:51
They're looking for a cure. Their lives, yeah.
43:54
So this one I think is interesting and it's got,
43:56
there's a clue in this one as to to something.
43:59
So you'll you'll know after decades of hype.
44:03
What in the heck was that? In light of this, I'm rethinking
44:06
Scott's filmography. I'm thinking he never had it.
44:08
I'm thinking there never was. Source.
44:10
This is such a mess. The questions aren't even deep.
44:13
It holds up visually more or less, but is absolutely bereft
44:16
of substance, concept or nuance. What?
44:21
Horrendous, inconsistent exposition dumps from a voice
44:23
over. Terrible editing, especially
44:27
towards the end. Unreasonably jarring.
44:29
No characters. Harrison spends the climax of
44:31
the movie running around without meaning or clarity or saying
44:34
anything, literally just grunting as he climbs around
44:37
using his broken fingers. No subtlety, no nuance, and no
44:42
room for scenes to breathe. Oh, not slow.
44:47
Enough. So strange.
44:49
Wow, I. Find that review very strange.
44:51
And the yes, the voice over. OK, they watched the theatrical
44:55
version. Fair enough.
44:55
It's different. Yeah.
44:56
And look, if that's the version you saw and you didn't like it,
45:01
OK, that's not your fault. Like, sure, even Ridley Scott
45:05
didn't like it. You know what I mean?
45:07
Like, But we were just lucky that we grew up with the VHS
45:10
version, which was different. Yes, the.
45:12
Yeah, the director's cat. Yeah, but just the no.
45:15
Bereft of substance, concept or nuance, Plain watch.
45:19
It again mate yeah, maybe you just didn't get it I.
45:22
Think, yeah, I don't know. I just don't.
45:26
Yeah, I don't think you paid attention to what was happening
45:29
at all. Well.
45:31
It wasn't that. Might be why, which is fine I
45:33
guess I just find it. Yeah, I mean, the guy who kept
45:36
falling asleep, I can understand why he didn't get it.
45:39
Yeah, exactly. I didn't see enough of it.
45:41
But like, yeah, no room for the scenes to breathe.
45:45
It's just densely packed with action.
45:48
It's. Way.
45:49
Too. Way too things happened way too
45:51
fast. Yeah, he was just looking at
45:53
that fucking snake scale. Yeah.
45:55
And I. The close up of the fucking
45:59
origami Unicorn just didn't hold long enough.
46:05
I've got one more for you. OK.
46:08
Citizen Kane. Oh, here we go.
46:13
Shitizen Kane one staff love it. No, it's a great review.
46:21
Come on. Yeah, you get a point for the
46:26
for the word play here. We go boring, mysterious,
46:30
underwhelming, dated, disappointing, well made, well
46:33
shot and overrated. Happy 100.
46:36
Mysterious. Day, Orson Wells.
46:42
OK. Yeah, yeah, I know.
46:45
Such a funny list of boring, mysterious.
46:50
See, I've never seen Citizen Kane, and I don't think I would
46:53
like it. Probably not.
46:55
Yeah. Not you.
46:57
I don't. Yeah, probably not you.
47:00
Boring and mysterious. It's the movie equivalent of
47:02
reading a book. This one's funny, I think you're
47:10
telling me you're looking me in the eye and telling me this is
47:13
supposed to be one of the best movies ever made.
47:16
Calling it a steaming pile of dog shit left in Arizona heat so
47:19
it starts to melt and stains the ground covering it in slick dog
47:22
shit that people keep slipping on.
47:23
And you slipped on it. And you went to court for your
47:25
partner of 12 years who just fucking died by a drunk driver.
47:27
The jury found them guilty and not guilty and your childhood
47:30
dog just died. And you not only end up getting
47:32
pink eye from slipping and falling in the hot dog shit, you
47:35
break your ankle and cover your rented suit.
47:37
And steaming dog shit would be a compliment I don't think you
47:44
like. It so you put a lot of effort
47:46
into that. Yeah, I quite like it.
47:49
I'll say this though, it's not my favorite of Orson Welles
47:51
movies, not by a long shot. It's no Transformers.
47:55
It's a reasonable. One, it's no Transformers the
47:57
movie, Yeah. Unicron.
48:01
I was hoping I'd feel different about Citizen Kane after not
48:04
seeing it for a number of years, and although I can certainly
48:06
still appreciate the technical aspects, the acting, and the
48:08
craft, I'm just not overly interested in what's going on.
48:11
The pacing is sluggish and the story isn't engaging enough for
48:14
me personally. I think it's a reasonable.
48:16
I mean, that's perfectly fine because it is.
48:18
It is. It is a slow paced movie again
48:21
and it's a man's entire life from his birthday.
48:23
It is an achievement, but he's bored.
48:25
Yeah, yeah. And you didn't like it?
48:27
Fine. Yeah.
48:29
Yeah. Anyway, that's that's review,
48:32
review. I just thought that was fun.
48:34
Yep, 10 out of 10 and the segment is reviewed 10 out of 10
48:38
as well. Very good.
48:41
If you want me to do that again, listeners, yes, let me know.
48:44
Please, no, I don't care if the listeners want it.
48:46
I want it all right. I I also have a segment of
48:50
slickers. What, because it's a Christmas
48:54
episode? We forgot to say.
48:55
Oh. Fuck yeah it is 0.
48:56
It is too Christmas episode. Merry Christmas listeners.
48:59
Merry Christmas. Yeah.
49:01
And you know, we used to do a lot of very, very crisp.
49:05
We used to lean. Into the Christmas.
49:07
We haven't you. Lads, you lads everywhere in
49:08
Iceland, by the way. Oh, I bet there are.
49:11
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
49:12
Did you have to miss your Yule party because you were in
49:14
Iceland? Or are you going to cram
49:15
tonight? I'm gonna have to try and have a
49:17
nap today because it's OK. Yeah, it's tonight, Yeah.
49:20
I'd have a nap today, but I thought I would read a celebrity
49:28
Christmas message. This is This is a Christmas
49:32
message. You're going to sing it like Gal
49:34
Gadot. No, because it wasn't sung
49:37
originally. So I want to I want to just do
49:39
it justice. But this was this celebrity
49:43
asked his lawyer to present this Christmas message to the world
49:47
while he. Joseph Fritzl, you familiar with
49:53
the Basement Rapist? Can't say that I am.
50:00
Yes, you are. He locked his daughter in a
50:02
basement. Oh, and then all of that stuff.
50:06
Because he'd. Like that sweet tank?
50:07
Of rape. I remember this.
50:11
Out of context, yeah. So anyway, he has a Christmas
50:17
message for all of us. OK, it's going to be hot, hot
50:21
warming, I think. Yes, yeah.
50:26
He wishes everyone out there, everyone out there.
50:29
So everyone that's us and you, listeners, he wishes everyone
50:31
out there a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year, 2026.
50:35
And he hopes, I'm reading this verbatim.
50:37
And he hopes that by Christmas next year, 2026, he might
50:40
perhaps also be free. So it was important that he got
50:45
that message out there. Yeah.
50:50
I don't think he's. Ever going to be public appeal
50:53
for like, clemency? What the fuck?
50:55
I know, right? What's he trying to do?
50:57
Oh, he said Merry Christmas. Maybe we could let him out.
51:00
We were wrong about him. Yeah, I mean, his daughter was
51:05
locked up for 25 years. Like it has to be at least that
51:08
long. I think we can all agree it has
51:10
to be at least that long. Right.
51:12
Yeah. Like you took away 25 years of
51:14
her life, you lose 25 years of yours at the start at.
51:19
The very fucking least. He's what, 90 I think it says
51:23
here. Yeah, but I love this this if
51:25
you're looking at this article from the US Sun.
51:27
Now, I don't know US newspapers, but I, I think this might be a
51:32
slightly low class publication because just because of the
51:38
wording, they don't feel they need to be unbiased.
51:40
Listen to this. Estrad Wagner, Fritzl's defence
51:44
lawyer, posted a video holding a small Christmas ornament, saying
51:46
it was given to her by the incestuous beast during a recent
51:50
prison visit. Oh, actually, anyway, are we
51:54
maybe reading it wrong? And when he's saying maybe he'll
51:56
be out by next Christmas, he means he'll be dead.
52:00
Oh, maybe. Maybe kick off the weed?
52:13
We got a lot of cards. Coming up in the Master.
52:16
Party, party. So I'm just going to, I'm just
52:18
going to tease this right now, patreon.com/multiple Orgasm if
52:24
you want to subscribe to the after party where we, I was
52:29
about to say review celebrity deaths.
52:31
I guess that is what we do like. This sort of what we do, yeah.
52:34
Yeah, and Luke decides who, if any, deserve the coveted title
52:39
of the week. Yeah, Originally it was just
52:44
because Neil Armstrong died, so we made him right the week, I
52:48
think. I think that's how it started.
52:50
Yeah, it has evolved a lot since it first started.
52:52
Yes, actually, I I I seem to recall coining the phrase Geek
52:57
of the Week without any deaths originally.
53:00
Because remember that guy who applied for a job at DreamWorks
53:04
by editing footage of Steven Spielberg answering questions
53:09
about the Holocaust and then cut in his own questions about
53:14
working at DreamWorks and and sent that in as his Dream Works
53:20
auditions? As his resume?
53:22
Yeah. As his.
53:22
CCV and not only did he not get a job, but Spielberg personally
53:26
said that managed to never ever work at any company.
53:30
I'm involved. He probably did get a job now,
53:35
yeah, in the industry. Yeah, yeah.
53:39
Just notoriety. Before we go to the after party,
53:43
I want to ask. I know that you've obtained a
53:46
game, Dan. I want to know, have you played
53:48
the game yet? Oh, I have.
53:50
I've been playing it for the last two days.
53:52
Oh, you're probably further than me at this point.
53:54
Oh, you've been you popped it on as well.
53:56
I've got I've got the Silent Hill 2 remake.
53:59
Oh yeah, I was very keen for this.
54:04
No, I'm enjoying it. And like Blade Runner and
54:08
perhaps Star Wars A New Hope. It's it's a fucking slow burn,
54:12
but in a way that I'm so grateful for because no games
54:15
these days allow so little to happen over so long a time.
54:19
Period. Sure.
54:20
You know what I mean? And it's not even any.
54:21
Like, the world is dense, but there's nothing really even to
54:25
explore. Like, I'm used to having to,
54:27
like, go over to every box I see and see if it's interactive.
54:30
Yeah. It's kind of pointless doing
54:31
that. You find bits of paper or if you
54:33
if you want around, but yeah. Yeah.
54:35
So yeah, I haven't sort of added in anything that's flushed out.
54:39
It's just the we've just made the graphics better and the
54:41
controls better. Away you go.
54:43
No, no, it. Controls are better.
54:45
Yeah. And it is redone like I'm
54:49
positive that it is. It's been so long since I played
54:54
this that I actually, I can't remember what's from this game.
54:58
And I've played the first game again since then.
55:04
And actually I'd forgotten how similar the two games are to one
55:07
another. Yeah.
55:09
Yeah, I, when I started playing it, I was like, well, this is
55:13
just how I remember the game. Yeah.
55:15
And then I looked up videos of Silent Hill 2 on the PS2 and I
55:18
was just like, oh God. I meant to do that too because
55:21
for the same reason I just remember it always looking this
55:23
good. Yeah, that's yeah.
55:25
In my mind, that's just what. Because Silent Hill One was like
55:28
original PlayStation game. It's about to say PlayStation
55:31
One, but that's not. Correct.
55:33
It's. I'm going to look that up now
55:34
because I bet it looks worse than I'm thinking in my mind
55:37
even. It probably doesn't like it.
55:38
I'd like a comparison as well. As for most games.
55:43
But that's why. Oh God.
55:47
There's. Oh.
55:50
Yeah, it looks atrocious. But games from the 80s and first
55:56
half of the 90s are charming for their rudimentary yeah and feel.
56:05
But games from the late 90s and early 2000s have amazing
56:09
stories. But you there's just something
56:13
about those fucking low Poly PlayStation One and to.
56:19
Take for me, there's also the load screens.
56:21
The load screens, you take all of that ever I mean.
56:24
Yeah, like that one and two both look rough compared to.
56:29
That's interesting because like, yeah, like.
56:32
You hear that horn go off and you go, oh shit.
56:38
Yeah, the the movie comes out soon.
56:43
Oh yeah, we'll see how they do with that.
56:44
I don't know. They're getting better with
56:46
transferring stuff from game to TV or movie.
56:52
Christopher. Gannigan I don't I don't
56:54
understand how that. Yeah, that's odd, isn't it?
56:57
How that went so wild the first time I'll be interested in CV.
57:03
Yes, give him another go. Mean what?
57:05
It can't be worse. Did you see?
57:08
Todd Howard has said this week that Fallout 5 will continue on
57:14
from the Fallout TV. Show.
57:16
He didn't quite say that. But he's saying it's canonical.
57:22
It's canonical, so there's stuff that you know, be before and
57:25
after. So it's going to be it's in the
57:26
same world. Right.
57:28
Which is. But I'd always kind of thought
57:32
this show was just kind of kind of pick and choose from what's
57:34
been out there and could recontextualize or what.
57:37
But but yeah, no. But evidently it's it's Canon.
57:41
Yeah, right, Because I know New Vegas is in the new season.
57:46
Yes, I've heard people aren't a big fan of the new season at the
57:52
moment. Oh, really?
57:53
Yeah, I thought people say it was good.
57:54
I've only seen a couple of reviews and.
57:57
What's that out fall out Season 2?
58:00
Well, the only person I know who has seen it said it's.
58:04
Episode 1's already out. Oh, is it?
58:06
Yeah, Yeah. But of course, that's just to.
58:11
Watch Stranger Things. First, people on the Internet.
58:14
I guess Stranger things fucking release schedule is so annoying
58:19
like. It's not annoying to me because
58:22
I haven't even had time to watch all the ones that are out
58:24
already. But no, but just the concept of
58:26
it, right? So they put 4 episodes out.
58:29
It's it's what, 2-3? And one on Christmas Eve, and
58:31
one on me. And yeah, and then one on New
58:32
Year's. Eve yeah, fucking.
58:34
What is this come? On like.
58:36
Just if you're gonna do that, just do week to week.
58:38
Because people are fucking busy. Like what are you doing?
58:42
Oh, I watch. What are you trying to do with
58:44
that? It's weird.
58:45
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause it doesn't even
58:47
make sense in trying. To just extend people, how long?
58:50
They're gonna get new subscribers for.
58:52
It's not Yeah. It's not like you haven't made
58:54
them. And you're gonna you finish.
58:55
It on Christmas Eve, so you have to release it on Christmas
58:57
morning, like people are busy at Christmas so.
59:01
You're basically releasing it at the time of year when they're
59:03
most least likely to have the time to binge it and then
59:06
everyone's gonna just fucking spoil.
59:07
It's just such a weird thing to do.
59:08
I don't understand. Or you're suggesting people
59:10
should abandoned their Christmas plans and watch your fucking
59:13
shows 1 episode. It's a strange thing.
59:15
It's a really weird thing to do. It is.
59:18
Weird. I I've.
59:20
Watched a few episodes of this YouTube channel.
59:22
I can't remember the name so I can't shout it out.
59:23
But a guy who analyzes 80s TV specifically sitcoms just
59:28
generally TV. But he was saying that the the
59:32
main reason TV is different now. I mean we we all know this is
59:34
that TV used to be week to week and and now it's like 1 story
59:38
for entire season. But he articulated it really
59:42
well. He said that the reason for that
59:43
is, is that the chances of you watching episode 1 of something
59:48
was almost 0, right? Like chances are your friend
59:53
told you about the last episode he watched and then you watch
59:57
from the next one and onwards. There's no way to go back.
1:00:00
Which is why everything you need to know about the show has to be
1:00:05
the opening credits of the show. OK?
1:00:09
Yeah, that does make sense because.
1:00:11
Yeah, there's no just take for granted.
1:00:13
Whatever. You could just go watch, OK?
1:00:16
Yeah, I'll go watch episode 1. Yeah, like.
1:00:19
No, no, you'll watch what's on. Yeah, yeah.
1:00:23
Which I guess is what. And they played them all out of
1:00:25
order and. Whatever.
1:00:26
Well, and they get which is indicated, yeah, yeah.
1:00:28
They would just play random episodes.
1:00:29
Yeah, sometimes, which I think is why they got confused,
1:00:32
whoever it was. That used to program television
1:00:35
in the 90s when things did start to transition, like things like
1:00:39
The X-Files, where they would play them sometimes out of
1:00:41
order, and it was like, no, you're fucking up the mythology
1:00:44
here, Firefly. Firefly suffered from that.
1:00:47
Too. The worst?
1:00:49
Offender for me. Was that great show American
1:00:52
Gothic, if you recall that one, that's.
1:00:54
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
1:00:55
It was a confusing. Mess when they played that so
1:00:57
out of order it it just literally made no.
1:00:59
Sense because it was very sequential.
1:01:01
I know with Firefly they thought that the first.
1:01:04
Episode of first two episodes were a bit too dark, so that's
1:01:07
that's why they started with three because it was just one of
1:01:10
the funny on Yeah, just like 1. Off yeah, instead of playing the
1:01:13
first two, which explained the law.
1:01:16
Of the world or anything starting the entire universe.
1:01:19
Yeah, yeah. Now, I'll say this, that first
1:01:22
episode, it's probably my least favorite episode of that entire
1:01:26
series, but not because it's, but just because after that it
1:01:29
really ramps up and gets good. But doesn't mean you should skip
1:01:33
that. You should still start at the
1:01:34
beginning. Yeah, yeah.
1:01:40
Right, so there's one more thing.
1:01:41
We can probably squeeze in before we.
1:01:42
Finish and I want to talk about this.
1:01:44
So it's going to be a remake of Starship Troopers.
1:01:47
Oh yeah. Well, I'll stop you there.
1:01:50
There's going to be another. Adaptation of the Starship
1:01:53
Troopers book. Yeah, I was getting people
1:01:56
saying that. This is going to be interesting
1:01:58
because. In the book the Bugs, they.
1:02:03
Actually have their own. Spaceships and stuff.
1:02:04
They're not just bugs on the planet.
1:02:07
And yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm interested to.
1:02:11
See if he goes down. That path.
1:02:15
Yeah, yes. Interesting.
1:02:17
Because it's Neil Blomkamp. Neil Blomkamp, District 9 and
1:02:20
other things. But District 9 is very good at
1:02:24
presenting both sides of an alien conflict, which is also
1:02:30
the point of Starship Troopers. Yes.
1:02:34
Is Robert Heinlein the book, right?
1:02:37
Yeah. Yep.
1:02:38
Yeah. And then?
1:02:43
Yeah, the book is good. It's it is very different.
1:02:46
To the movie because yeah, they've in the book, they're in
1:02:48
the later movies, they got the power armor and stuff, but they
1:02:51
have that the whole time in the yeah, in the book they didn't do
1:02:54
like the the Hovens book, they didn't have any of that stuff.
1:02:59
The Hovens movie you want to talk about?
1:03:01
Yeah, but the later movies are. Not good, no.
1:03:07
Some of them are hard. I don't even.
1:03:08
Remember, honestly, two was terrible.
1:03:12
I think wasn't 3. Good.
1:03:14
I think 3 was better. Because I brought back down
1:03:16
what's his face? Because I.
1:03:17
Think I remember 2 being. Unwatchable.
1:03:20
I brought back Rico. They actually I remember
1:03:23
watching. The doc, the commentary.
1:03:25
For Starship troops too. And I went like, we didn't
1:03:28
really have the budget to do it, but we decided to make it
1:03:30
anyway. And it's sort of like, why don't
1:03:32
you just stop? Well, didn't they?
1:03:35
Didn't the 4th 1A cartoon? For that exact reason I went to
1:03:39
a screening of that. It was quite good actually.
1:03:43
OK, there's actually a few different cartoon the.
1:03:46
Animated one. Is the best or yeah that?
1:03:49
They are the best of the sequels.
1:03:52
It's been quite good, yes, Yeah, but.
1:03:55
Nothing beats the original. I was like top off as saying
1:03:57
the. Read Journal District 9 was
1:04:00
great. Great.
1:04:01
Yeah. What's the one with Matt Damon?
1:04:04
Elysium. Elysium.
1:04:05
That was all right. It was just.
1:04:07
OK, Yeah. It wasn't mine.
1:04:08
It wasn't as good. It was Chappie.
1:04:11
I really liked Chappie. I didn't.
1:04:13
Know Chappie, not everyone. Does Matt, have we talked about
1:04:15
this? Have you seen?
1:04:17
The documentary about D'antwood made by directed by the daughter
1:04:26
of D'antwood. Oh no, Ninja and.
1:04:30
Yolani's daughter. Made a documentary about what it
1:04:34
was like having parents that are D'antwood.
1:04:39
Yeah, it's very strange. I can imagine, right?
1:04:42
What the fuck are they? Doing right now.
1:04:44
Actually, I can sit in a big pile of money.
1:04:48
Yeah, I haven't heard from. D'antwood since.
1:04:51
Chappie Yeah, well, I think it started to come out that they.
1:04:54
Were pretty racist and stuff. I know there was a one of.
1:05:00
The kids that they adopted went on a YouTube thing and did a big
1:05:07
interview about his experience and it wasn't good.
1:05:10
So yeah, I think they're just. Very strange.
1:05:14
People like, I mean, clearly so I don't know, I think in South
1:05:20
Africa. The poor whites are even lower
1:05:27
in the food chain than. The poor blacks do you know
1:05:29
what? I mean, like, I think there's
1:05:30
there's this real old fashioned hierarchy and if you somehow
1:05:36
became a millionaire famous jet setting Rockstar from that
1:05:42
subgroup, that must be a bizarre experience.
1:05:49
You know what? Watch this.
1:05:53
Oh yeah, I'll find the documentary that sounds.
1:05:54
Interesting. I just.
1:05:55
I mean, I find them interesting. They're very I like them in Mate
1:06:01
when they're they're not the best actors, but I liked.
1:06:03
Them in it, Yeah. There was one album that came
1:06:06
out. With that, I thought was just
1:06:07
fucking. Great.
1:06:08
You know, like I was just like, yeah, no, they got some good
1:06:11
stuff, yeah. Yeah, it's just that the yeah,
1:06:14
there's. A lot of controversy around.
1:06:17
Them and they're yes, especially with the yeah, adopting the.
1:06:21
Kids with. Disabilities and stuff like
1:06:23
that. It's all a bit exploitative
1:06:29
because they've done a lot of that I.
1:06:34
I went to, yeah, I can say it. I went in Indonesia.
1:06:44
In Sumatra, there's. As this factory where we were
1:06:49
filming and they all the employees are disabled.
1:06:53
And I mean really like little little 1 little hand coming out
1:06:56
of the chest like that kind of disabled.
1:06:58
Oh, wow, no legs, just the little hand.
1:07:01
I can make it all these things and interviewing the person who
1:07:04
owns the factory and saying, yeah, we give these people a
1:07:06
chance because no one else would, you know?
1:07:09
And it's like, yeah, that might be so.
1:07:13
But also from my point of view, this does not look good.
1:07:18
Like the optics of this? How much are you paying them?
1:07:22
Yeah. Yeah, I.
1:07:24
Went to a place like that in. Vietnam and it's sort.
1:07:27
Of the same like they're taking sort of victims of Asian orange
1:07:30
and sort of teaching them to sort of they're making sort of
1:07:35
artwork and stuff. And why they explained it is
1:07:38
they get they get paid while they're there, but they also get
1:07:41
30% of anything that's purchased while they're trying to invest
1:07:45
into these people weren't partners.
1:07:48
Yeah, just employees, yeah. Yeah.
1:07:54
And look, I'm sure they were very grateful that oh.
1:07:57
Well, yeah, you know, you know. If you know.
1:08:01
I'm sure fucking this is not like if you're going to be this,
1:08:06
Indonesia is the last place you want to be.
1:08:09
Yeah, but still I was. I'm able to get work since Total
1:08:12
Recall came out. That's.
1:08:14
Right with my third titty. We will go to the after party,
1:08:21
but we did promise some Star Wars news so I'll just quickly
1:08:25
put this in here before we move over.
1:08:28
Lucasfilm were being sued by producers who claimed that they
1:08:33
and they alone had the rights to reproduce Peter Cushing after
1:08:36
his death. And therefore Lucas that's we're
1:08:40
in breach of of of that copyright.
1:08:42
I think we can resurrect him. Yeah, yeah.
1:08:47
And I think we reported on this one it when it was first came up
1:08:51
and but they have they have it's been dismissed.
1:08:55
So, Lucas. Cannot be I actually.
1:08:57
Got a shock that they just didn't settle.
1:09:01
Yeah, I guess they were just standing on.
1:09:03
Principle on this because maybe they.
1:09:04
Settled. They couldn't do it again in the
1:09:06
future and they didn't want to, you know, there could have been
1:09:08
some kind of. Yeah, because they were.
1:09:12
Only saying like we lost £250,000, they probably would
1:09:16
have spent a lot more on Boys on time on this.
1:09:19
So yeah. But yeah, it does set a
1:09:22
precedent. That then other people.
1:09:24
Can come and go. Hey, we want to see you for it
1:09:27
now. Yeah.
1:09:29
I think his family weren't happy about it either.
1:09:31
But he's. He sold his likeness, didn't he?
1:09:34
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.
1:09:35
Yeah, like gentle drones. Sold his voice.
1:09:39
Yeah, that's a weird one. Yeah.
1:09:42
Yeah, but you know, on 11 labs which?
1:09:44
Is. What I Dick around with
1:09:46
sometimes just making Orson Welles say that he's my real dad
1:09:49
and stuff like that. You can now license celebrities,
1:09:54
shooters and Kane. OK, Yeah.
1:09:57
You can license celebrity voices.
1:09:58
And I believe. James L Jones is one of them.
1:10:01
Really. Yep.
1:10:02
OK, we could. So James L.
1:10:04
Jones could redo the intro. To this podcast, yeah, yeah,
1:10:07
absolutely can. And not him, but officially him.
1:10:14
Yeah. Like, it's not an impersonator.
1:10:17
It's the most official voice. Him we're ever going to get to
1:10:19
voice. It's possible.
1:10:20
Yeah. Anything to do?
1:10:21
Anything for any of us. Yeah, yeah.
1:10:24
Yeah, but also I'm also. Happy that he set.
1:10:26
That precedent for book I'll sell my stuff for.
1:10:30
People are just going to be crazy when people die and just
1:10:33
start making stuff. Yeah, that's a good point.
1:10:37
That's a good point. It's not that.
1:10:38
AI related stuff lately like with.
1:10:41
Some game companies, but we don't need to talk about that
1:10:43
right now. We could.
1:10:44
Next week, I think we'll go to the irrelevant party, talk about
1:10:47
who's dead, I think. Good after party.
1:10:51
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1:11:02
Google gobble. Is that what they said when you
1:11:03
go to that factory there? Yeah, God.
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