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God’s Design: The Left’s Nightmare · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: report this morning from Food for the Poor, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: did something very special yesterday. I see this and it
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  Speaker 1: joy when I see what happened yesterday. And I just
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you we have done on some amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, let me let me do the math while
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here talking to you about it all. But
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  Speaker 1: it is when when I when I get reports like
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  Speaker 1: this to start the day, I just I cannot It's
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  Speaker 1: just almost impossible for me to then have a bad
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  Speaker 1: day because when I know that we are making a
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  Speaker 1: difference in the world. And I've said this so many times,
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  Speaker 1: there are so many of you that that on a
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  Speaker 1: regular basis, when I say, hey, here's something that we
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  Speaker 1: can do to change the world, there are so many
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  Speaker 1: of you that say, I want in, I want to
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  Speaker 1: be part of it. Please let me let me jump in.
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  Speaker 1: And I just it. There are no words. I feel
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  Speaker 1: truly blessed and grateful to feel like I steward the
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  Speaker 1: greatest and have the greatest radio audience on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: You care deeply, and you don't just say that you care,
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  Speaker 1: You show that you care, and it just it blows
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  Speaker 1: me away. Well, last night, late in the night, some
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  Speaker 1: very special things happen, friends, and we have now surpassed
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  Speaker 1: the five hundred and sixty fifth kid that was hungry
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  Speaker 1: and whose name has been taken off the list of
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  Speaker 1: the original seven hundred and twenty. Actually, five hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight children have been cared for because of your care,
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  Speaker 1: and that leaves one hundred and fifty two to go
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  Speaker 1: to get to our seven twenty. There are some of
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  Speaker 1: you right now that could do a twelve thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: gift and take care of the rest of the one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two children that are there. There's someone
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  Speaker 1: listening right now. I know that that's the case that
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  Speaker 1: you could. Somewhere in America, someone's done really well. They're
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot more back on taxes than they realized.
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  Speaker 1: The Big beautiful Bill has impacted their tax status, and
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  Speaker 1: they want to do something fantastic for God. They want
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  Speaker 1: to do something fantastic for their fellow man. They want
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  Speaker 1: to see the world made into a better place. And
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  Speaker 1: there's someone listening to me right now, who could do
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  Speaker 1: a twelve thousand dollars gift. That's what it would take
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  Speaker 1: for the next one hundred and fifty two children, the
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  Speaker 1: final one hundred and fifty two children on the list
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  Speaker 1: to be taken care of. And I know that that's
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  Speaker 1: the case because someone already gave a gift bigger than
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  Speaker 1: that this year, in this campaign. But here's what I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, and I'll make this happen. Step up
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  Speaker 1: and do this. We will make this happen. If there's
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  Speaker 1: someone listening right now who would be willing to give
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  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars or more, we would really need two
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  Speaker 1: people to do six thousand dollars each. I will meet
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  Speaker 1: you for dinner. I will pay for your meal. We
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  Speaker 1: will spend an evening together, and you can you can
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  Speaker 1: ask me about anything you wish, God, faith, news, politics,
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  Speaker 1: it's all, it's all in the mix. We will go.
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  Speaker 1: We will go full bore. But if you call right
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  Speaker 1: now eight five five nine zero seven four six seven
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  Speaker 1: three eight five five nine zero seven four six seven three,
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  Speaker 1: I will take you to dinner, I'll bring you to
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  Speaker 1: New York, or I'll come to meet you. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: do it one way. Or the other, and then we
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  Speaker 1: will we will chat about anything and everything that you
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  Speaker 1: might have on your mind as it relates to the
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  Speaker 1: news of the day. Five thousand dollars or more given
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  Speaker 1: right now will get you one of those invites. Eight
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  Speaker 1: five five nine zero seven four six seven three eight
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  Speaker 1: five five nine zero seven four six seven three. And
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  Speaker 1: here's the other thing that I'm going to do to
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  Speaker 1: sweeten the pot. If you're the first person to give
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  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars right now at eight five five nine
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  Speaker 1: zero seven four six seven three, I will match it personally.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big challenge. But if you're the first one
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  Speaker 1: eight five five nine zero seven four six seven three,
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  Speaker 1: If you're the first one, I will match it personally.
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  Speaker 1: And if you are able to give five thousand or
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  Speaker 1: more right now, I will personally invite you to dinner,
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  Speaker 1: Take you to dinner, meet you at dinner. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to do it in Nashville or New York or Florida,
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  Speaker 1: wherever you're at, I'll come to you, or you can
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  Speaker 1: come here. New York has pretty good food, not gonna
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  Speaker 1: lie be kind of tasty. But I want us to
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  Speaker 1: take care of these kids that badly, and some of
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  Speaker 1: you have really stepped up and given big gifts, and
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  Speaker 1: some of you have given seventy five dollars, gifts that
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  Speaker 1: outshine all of them, because that was the last seventy
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  Speaker 1: five dollars you had. And you'd rather see a child
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  Speaker 1: eat two meals a day and have clean drinking water
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the year for the next year
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  Speaker 1: than to have that seventy five dollars for yourself and friends.
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  Speaker 1: I see those gifts as well. It's my understanding you're
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  Speaker 1: giving sacrificially and I am grateful all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: And if you give five thousand dollars or more today,
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  Speaker 1: you will get a dinner invite from me personally. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do it in your place or our place. Eight
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  Speaker 1: five five nine zero seven four six seven three eight
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  Speaker 1: five five nine zero seven four six seven three. But
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  Speaker 1: I believe we can take care of all of the
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  Speaker 1: remaining one hundred and fifty two kids today. It's seventy
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  Speaker 1: five dollars apiece, by the way, that takes care of
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  Speaker 1: one child. If we had just one hundred, if we
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  Speaker 1: had seventy five of you take care of two kids
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  Speaker 1: each a one time gift of one fifty just seventy
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  Speaker 1: five of you go into the phones eight five, five,
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  Speaker 1: nine zero seven four six seven three, we would knock
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  Speaker 1: it out of the park. Okay, I got way late
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  Speaker 1: idea is this God's design is the word is the
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  Speaker 1: Left's worst nightmare. That's the simple idea. We also have
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  Speaker 1: Pastor Alan Jackson continues our discussion on how do we
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome Wednesday is here, friends, Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: making it. You get past today, you're on the down side.
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  Speaker 1: You're headed towards the weekend, believe it or not, but
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  Speaker 1: we're grateful to have you with us. It is time
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  Speaker 1: to ask, as we do each weekday, how do we live?
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  Speaker 1: How do we live in a culture that at the
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  Speaker 1: very minimum is quite confused about who God is? But
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  Speaker 1: usually they just don't really have much use for him,
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  Speaker 1: especially if he's associated with the God of the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: and aside from that, then they look at us and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: why do you do that? You don't you want to
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  Speaker 1: be like a normal person. And this is where we
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  Speaker 1: put the rubber to the road, so to speak. It
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  Speaker 1: is it is how we It is how we ourselves
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  Speaker 1: so that we interact. And the reason that we do
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  Speaker 1: this segment at the beginning towards the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: show each day is just just to be candid. In
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  Speaker 1: our two I do nothing but news, and we talk
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  Speaker 1: about applying what we know about God to the world
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  Speaker 1: around us and how we view what's going on around us.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like we have to be drenched in
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  Speaker 1: God's purposes, his truth, and his word before we get there.
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  Speaker 1: So a little over a year ago we started asking
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  Speaker 1: shepherds to join us. And this week I'm very pleased
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  Speaker 1: to have a friend, Pastor Alan Jackson, who is the
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  Speaker 1: senior pastor at World Outreach Church, and we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: his new book, Lead with Faith, Using Your Influence for
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  Speaker 1: God's Purposes. Matthew five is one of the kind of
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  Speaker 1: big ideas in that book. But Pastor Jackson, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into today's discussion, for people that are in the
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  Speaker 1: Murphy's murph Freeseboro area and they want to worship with
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  Speaker 1: you this weekend, where do they go?
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  Speaker 6: Well, we are and Murphysboro and we have services on
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  Speaker 6: Wednesday evening, Saturday evening and Sunday morning. Maybe the simplest
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  Speaker 6: way is you can just go to the church website.
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  Speaker 6: It's wo church dot org and it'll have all the
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  Speaker 6: service times and information and directions.
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  Speaker 1: There you go all right, hard to find glad to
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  Speaker 1: do that, and of course you can watch him on
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  Speaker 1: TBN weeknights and he's got his podcast Culture in Christianity
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  Speaker 1: available as well. Pastor Jackson, we've been talking about leading
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  Speaker 1: with Faith and we started rightfully in the home and
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  Speaker 1: said if you're going to lead anywhere, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be doing that in the house. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: good reminder, your kids will always be a really good
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  Speaker 1: barometer as to whether or not you're leading hypocritically or not.
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  Speaker 1: Like their hypocrisy meter is pretty high, so it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a good training ground. But you make a point in
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  Speaker 1: the book that if we are going to do that,
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  Speaker 1: that it has to go outside our abode. Help us
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  Speaker 1: understand this, you know, I.
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  Speaker 6: Don't think it's complicated.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've avoided it.
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  Speaker 6: To be honest, if you're not standing for the truth
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  Speaker 6: in our culture, then you are giving momentum to the
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  Speaker 6: lies and deception and flourish around us, because without a
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  Speaker 6: voice for truth, people will only hear the lies that
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  Speaker 6: are being repeated.
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  Speaker 1: You're amplifying what I talk about a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: that says there is no such thing as an empty vacuum.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not there, if you're not possessing it with
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  Speaker 1: God in his truth, someone else.
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  Speaker 6: Will absolutely And if you have influence in a secular
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  Speaker 6: setting and the people that you're leading or that you're
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  Speaker 6: working with don't know that you have a meaningful faith
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  Speaker 6: in Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Then you're a deceiver.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, you can't have a private faith that you hide
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  Speaker 6: in public.
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  Speaker 1: There's no such thing.
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  Speaker 6: Jesus said, if that we wouldn't honor him before men,
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  Speaker 6: that he wouldn't honor us before the Father. That's Matthew
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  Speaker 6: ten thirty two of them.
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  Speaker 1: I wants to check it.
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  Speaker 6: But and we have given too much license and too
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  Speaker 6: much permission that if you sit in church and a
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  Speaker 6: firm a set of beliefs, and you can walk into
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  Speaker 6: a corporate setting, or an academic setting, or any work setting,
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  Speaker 6: any secular setting and not acknowledge your faith and you're okay,
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  Speaker 6: And that's a lie. You can't segment and compartmentalize your life. No,
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  Speaker 6: I don't say that to condemn people. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: we have helped prepare them as fully as we might
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  Speaker 6: or encourage them enough. But I think the analogy, and
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  Speaker 6: I believe it holds up. It would be like me
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  Speaker 6: holding the imagination that I'm married and I am and
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  Speaker 6: that I'll be a very good husband when I'm at home,
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  Speaker 6: but when I leave home, I can't afford to be
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  Speaker 6: restricted by the boundaries of that covenant because it's a big,
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  Speaker 6: wide world and I don't know what I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Going to face.
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  Speaker 6: And we have Christians all around us that are Christians
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  Speaker 6: when they're in the house, and they bury their Christianity
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  Speaker 6: when they leave the house, and that's not legitimate. That's
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  Speaker 6: not a legitimate marriage, and that's not legitimate Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and if we're thinking about I mean, the argument
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  Speaker 1: that people with me a lot is, you know, keV,
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  Speaker 1: why do you talk about politics and culture so much?
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  Speaker 1: And I actually don't. I talk about politics and culture
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  Speaker 1: probably less than I did fifteen years ago, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, like you said on Monday, we got to
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  Speaker 1: go back to this gentleman as a football. This is
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  Speaker 1: like we're back to basics every day, and building on
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  Speaker 1: those basics then prepares us and gives us the foundation
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  Speaker 1: to then take on those battles in the culture. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that even on a more personal level, Pastor Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: in my own experience in the corporate arena, when I
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  Speaker 1: have have been in those circumstances and they've known that
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  Speaker 1: I'm a believer, there may be a good amount of
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  Speaker 1: ribbing that goes on. There may be a good amount
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  Speaker 1: of joking, of kidding, of teasing about hypocrisy of Christians.
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  Speaker 1: They see elsewhere and so forth. But I've always found
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  Speaker 1: this to be universally true. When something really hits the
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  Speaker 1: fan in their life, they don't turn to the friends
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  Speaker 1: that are in the corporate world that have told them, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's hit happy hour every day, let's go to the
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  Speaker 1: strip club, let's do this, let's do that. They would
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  Speaker 1: seek me out and say, can I talk to you
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  Speaker 1: for a second, what does Jesus say about this? And
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  Speaker 1: particularly in the post COVID universe, I've talked to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pastors across the country that seem to be
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  Speaker 1: having more and more people coming to their congregations, coming
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  Speaker 1: to their people asking those types of questions. Pastor, we
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  Speaker 1: have to be available and they have to know that
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  Speaker 1: we're there and that we actually do care and have
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  Speaker 1: some answers for them.
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  Speaker 6: Well, absolutely we do, Kevin, you know, and I agree
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  Speaker 6: with you. I think COVID was a turning point. Hebrews
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  Speaker 6: quoting Habacic, but he says that you know, God is
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  Speaker 6: shaking the earth to reveal those things which are unshakable,
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  Speaker 6: and I think COVID was was a shaking and we've
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  Speaker 6: had several tremors since then. I think the homos attack
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  Speaker 6: on October seventh was another tremor without doubt, and I
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  Speaker 6: think because I wasn't prepared for the anti sh Semitism
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  Speaker 6: that's come boiling out of the cracks after that's shaking.
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  Speaker 6: But the essence of that is this courage to lead
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  Speaker 6: in the public square. And it's not simple to do politics,
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  Speaker 6: you know, And I commend you for engaging in current events.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think about it being political. Politics is symptomatic.
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  Speaker 6: Spiritual forces are causative. What we see happening in the
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  Speaker 6: political arena, in the policy arena is reflective of the
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  Speaker 6: spiritual influences that are predominant in our culture. But when
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  Speaker 6: we talk about marriage being between a man and a woman,
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  Speaker 6: that's not a political issue.
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  Speaker 2: That's a biblical issue.
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  Speaker 6: When we talk about a nuclear family and parental authority
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  Speaker 6: over children, that's not a political issue.
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  Speaker 1: That's a biblical issue.
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  Speaker 6: We talked about the sanctity of human life, that's not
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  Speaker 6: a political issue. Now all of those things are have
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  Speaker 6: discussions in the political arena because politics is symptomatic of
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  Speaker 6: the spiritual condition of our nation. And if we don't
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  Speaker 6: talk about the symptoms, we can't fix the causal problems.
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  Speaker 6: And we've been guilty. I'm a pastor, and pastors are
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  Speaker 6: very guilty of this. We understand our congregations are very divided.
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  Speaker 6: Our congregations are filled with people that are not unified
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  Speaker 6: in their faith.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have church.
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  Speaker 6: But if they bring up some of these topics, not
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  Speaker 6: everybody's going to cheer, which makes the board angry or
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  Speaker 6: the presbytery unhappy, and so there's pressure on pastors to
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  Speaker 6: maintain unity. Jesus said, I came to bring division. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't come to bring peace on the earth. So when
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  Speaker 6: we say that we're only about bringing peace and unity,
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  Speaker 6: we're not even following jesus assignment.
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  Speaker 3: I know John seventeen when.
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  Speaker 6: This great high priestly prayer where he prayed for unity,
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  Speaker 6: but he was praying for unity amongst his disciples, those
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  Speaker 6: that were fully committed to him. He wasn't trying to
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  Speaker 6: bring unity when he looked at the scribes and the
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  Speaker 6: Pharisees and he said, you're a bunch of snakes, a
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  Speaker 6: bunch of white washed tombs. Your blind guides don't follow
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  Speaker 6: these people.
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  Speaker 3: So I think the.
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  Speaker 6: Church has misunderstood some of our assignment. And I pray
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  Speaker 6: more people find the courage that you demonstrate on a
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  Speaker 6: daily basis to engage current events through the filter of
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  Speaker 6: a biblical worldview.
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  Speaker 3: And if we would all do that.
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  Speaker 6: If you work in a hospital, bring a biblical worldview.
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  Speaker 6: If they're murdering babies and mutilating teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: Use your voice.
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  Speaker 6: You don't have to be angry or belligerent, and you
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  Speaker 6: certainly don't have to be violent, but we have to
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  Speaker 6: bring the truth to bear.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I think that that's so important to remember. And
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  Speaker 1: even if you're you know, you're a quiet church mouse,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and you're saying I just don't I just don't do
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: much of anything in my workplace. Well, when you walk
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in on Monday morning and somebody says, hey, how was
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: your weekend? What'd you do? I went to church? Why boom?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: There's an opportunity talk about what God has done in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you and why it matters and begin and let it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: begin there, because it's really remarkable how a testimony of
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  Speaker 1: a personal relationship begins to turn the tide one on one.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, as Pastor Jackson is talking about,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: over time that moves into the cultural discussion, you will
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: be confronted with cultural issues. You will be confronted with
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: issues of compromise in the workplace, and your integrity and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: your belief in Jesus will come to the fore. People
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: will seek it out, they will mock it, they will
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: let times ask about it, and there will be times
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: where you're also able to grow food from it. So friends,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I just hope that you'll do that. His book is
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Lead with Faith, using your influence for God's purposes. Pastor
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Alan Jackson is our guest this week with how Do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We Live? And Pastor Jackson looking forward to another great
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: time tomorrow. Thank you so much, Thank you, Kevin.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin Next.
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  Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. That Kevin is Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. Kevin McCullough. Couldn't be happier
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  Speaker 1: than to have you with us. It is that Kevin Show,
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• 21:36
  Speaker 1: lot that we're gonna still get to, but I have
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to stop everything at this point in time, and I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: have to say thank you to a very special listener.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: A woman by the name of Marylyn, who was listening
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  Speaker 1: at sometime late in the evening in California last night,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: responded to our you know, desire to feed these kids
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  Speaker 1: that we've been talking about with Food for the Poor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just going to embarrass Marylyn completely because as
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  Speaker 1: she was listening last night, something touched her heart and
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  Speaker 1: she said, I want to be a part of giving
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  Speaker 1: these children two meals a day and clean drinking water
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  Speaker 1: for the next year. And there are those times when
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: people step up and they say things and you kind
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: of think, oh that, you know, it's nice that they're
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: doing that. I'm glad that they're doing that. But there
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: are those that also that say, you know, I want
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to use my life and my resources and who I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: am to make a difference. And so when Marilyn heard
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: us discussing it, and she knew that there was a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: match in place, she said, well, what can I do?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: How can I best help? And so she picked up
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the phone and said, okay, for the next year, thirteen
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: children are what I want to help. And she just
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: gave the money and they're seventy five dollars each, So
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: she just one thousand dollars like that. But she did
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  Speaker 1: it because she understands that children will go hungry and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: die of thirst if we don't reach the seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty children that are on the list. So she
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: took care of thirteen. Now, what she may or may
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: not have known was, at that very same time, there
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was a match in place, so her thirteen children became
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  Speaker 1: twenty six children. Friends, I want you to think about
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that that's the size of the average classroom
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: in American schools, And she said in one gift, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: want to see to it that an entire classroom of
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  Speaker 1: kids that right now are starving right now, are not
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: getting two meals a day, right now, are not getting
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: clean drinking water. She decided in that moment, I want
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to be the agent that changes the equation for those children.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And because it was being matched, an entire classroom of
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  Speaker 1: kids is going to receive two meals a day and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: all the clean drinking water that they can drink. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: if you want to think of it this way, for
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the next year, she just ponied up for eighteen thousand
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  Speaker 1: and ninety eight meals Maryland from California. You're my hero.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that whatever prompted your heart, you said,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I want to be sensitive and I want to help kids,
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  Speaker 1: and in one gift, boom an entire classroom, eighteen thousand
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  Speaker 1: meals and enough clean drinking water for all of them
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to go next year without ever dehydrating. Thank you, Marilyn,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your heart. Thank you for quietly giving
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I think it was
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: sometime after midnight when you gave. It was like three
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: o'clock New York time. But the fact that you were up,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you were listening, you were moved, and you said I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: want to be part of the solution, it just touched
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: me incredibly. And I don't mean to make this just
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: about people who can give big gifts, but I do
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: want to mention someone else who I don't have permission
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to use his name, But if you're a certain person
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: who lives in Levittown, New York, you know exactly what
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you did earlier this year, And instead of eighteen thousand meals,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you gave one hundred and eighty thousand meals, and instead
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of twenty six kids, you helped two hundred and sixty
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: kids because of the match. Two people, different means, different levels,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but both people that said I want to make a difference.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I want to help stem the suffering of children who
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are right now aching in their belly because they don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have food to eat, and I want to use my
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: resources to do something about it. And friends, if you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: have as little as seventy five dollars right now, you
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: can provide two meals a day and all the clean
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: drinking water that child can consume for the next year.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Right now, that one time gift of seventy five dollars
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: will help one child. We are getting closer and closer
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to helping all seven hundred and twenty children. We cannot
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: do this without you. We need your help and time
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: is running out for these kids. Every day that we
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: can't feed one of them, that's a day closer that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: they get to possibly dying. So thank you to your
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: generous support, Thank you for your big heart, Thank you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: for just wanting to do the right thing. Eight five
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  Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. Ken Kevin McCullough.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Times Square, Kevin McCullough, that Kevin Show, that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: kevinshow dot com and as I don't know how you've
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: transgressed the news of recent days, but for my family,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the ankle biters, they always have their opinions
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: about their own things, and so when we're on our
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: way to church or wherever, there's always a discussion. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in seeing how the current events taking place
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: in Iran and other places are being discussed in my
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: kids classrooms, because it is not necessarily even what I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: would report here, but much less what balanced reporting would
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: look like in the news. And that's just kind of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: one little tiny tidbit of how education impacts what our
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: kids are understanding and learning and thinking through in the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: day to day life. I don't tell my kids what
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to think, but I'm trying to help them to learn
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: how to think critically. And someone else who cares about
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that a lot is the CEO of the Education Freedom Foundation,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm hoping like hope, like I really really hope
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that she's the next First Lady of the State of Florida.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Erica Donald's back with us, Erica. It's always good to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: see you. Thanks for being here.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Oh, thanks so much for having me. You're so kind.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: The idea that schools shape our kids, even in the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: midst of what we're watching going on in the news,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is that really does take place. And there are narratives
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I've noticed in what my kids have brought home from
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: school and told me that teachers are saying about current events.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That's just one of the reasons why it's important for
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: parents to have a ton of options when it comes
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to how they educate their kids. Is it not so true?
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: And so much more so now than before. You know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: I got involved in the school choice movement fifteen years ago,
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: and it was mostly about academic performance at the time,
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  Speaker 8: But in recent years we've seen families want to make
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: a different choice outside of their zone public school based
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: on their value set and the fact that they don't
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: want teachers putting their viewpoints, especially political viewpoints, on their students.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: They want teachers to help students think for themselves, think critically,
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: have in depth debate, and discussions. Not tell them what
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: to think, but tell them how to think, how to
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: find source information. And that's why we've seen such a
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: resurgence of classical education as well, especially in the school movement.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you. I just got a press release
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: yesterday from a group that is detecting what they call
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: a rise in anti homeschooling. Now, homeschooling is always in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: my book, had you know people that were opposed to it,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But are you sensing that that there's a new resurgence
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: against that particular option of what people sometimes exercise.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Well, it's not just a sense.
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: There is absolutely a backlash, and that's because homeschooling is
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: the fastest growing manner in which children are educated. Ever
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: since COVID, it's doubled across the country.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Well, he was to blame for that. Come on, we
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: saw what was going on on the zooms. You showed
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it to us.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: That's exactly right. And so parents are taking into their
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: own hands, and with technology and more school choice options,
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: more families feel equipped to homeschool their children. And we
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: see in polling that seven percent of parents are homeschooling.
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: Now again that's double from before COVID. Another seven percent
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: said that they would homeschool if they were able to
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: feelt like they could, maybe they have work or financial obligations.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Now what we're seeing in legislatures is a crackdown, if
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: you will, trying to put restrictions on families' ability to
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: exercise that choice. We've been able to beat that back
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: in New Jersey and Rhode Island in other states, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: certainly states, especially teachers unions are trying to exert additional
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: authority in taking away parents' ability to school at home.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: But thankfully the teachers unions are losing. We have more
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: school choice options showing up or expanding every legislative session.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: Texas just ended their window for enrollment in their new
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: school choice program, over two hundred and eighteen thousand applications
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: at the last count. Unfortunately that's only for about eighty
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: thousand spots. But in each of these situations, including the
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: federal tax credit scholarship launching next year, parents can use
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: those public funds to purchase curriculum, online courses, dual enrollment certifications,
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: things that they can use to equip them to homeschool
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: their children.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I know there are others that do it, but I'm
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: speaking thinking specifically, of Liberty University, which has for a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: few years now had a homeschool curriculum that not only
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: met the standards necessary, but could qualify students for college
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: credit in the high school arena. Is this a trend
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to continue to see?
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And Liberty actually has an entire K through twelve
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  Speaker 8: school private online school that parents can access and in
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: many cases can use their public funding, their education scholarship
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: account dollars, and now they're five twenty nine dollars to
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: pay for those.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: And you're going to.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: See a lot more of that because it all goes
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: back to the free market, Like you said, when parents
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: become consumers, especially when they have availability of public funds,
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: and we have that free market competition and availability of
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: more consumers in the marketplace, you're going to see more
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: innovators come into this space, whether that's high institutes of
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: higher education offering things like this, or a mom who's
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: homeschooled or kids and created her own curriculum who wants
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: to put it online and sell it to other moms.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: I hope that every type of innovator comes into the
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: education space and starts bringing new products into parents'.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Homes well we need the all of the above approach
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that you were just describing. What other areas are you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: seeing states adopt a school choice in twenty twenty six
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and what are some of the initiatives that the Education
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Freedom Foundation would like to see advance this year.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: Well, we're seeing expansion of space in Tennessee just yesterday
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: actually it started moving through the legislature to double the
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: number of seats because they had fifty four applications last
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: year for only twenty thousand seats. So we're going to
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: start to see more improvement and fewer wait lists I
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: think in the existing school choice programs. But the big
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: issue is supply. We are seeing so many weight lists
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: because we don't have enough schools to accommodate the demand
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: from families. And that's what Education Freedom Foundation really focuses on.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: We help people start schools and bring education programs to
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: the marketplace so that parents can access them.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: If people wanted to know more about how they could
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: help in their local area, how do they get in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: touch with you guys to become part of the team.
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: So Education Freedom Foundation is at your edfreedom dot org.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: There's resources for parents there. Most importantly, there is a
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: free start a school toolkit. That could mean being a
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: homeschool parent, It could mean starting a micro school, a
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: private school, a charter school. But we have experienced, as
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: you know, I started six charter schools and have gotten
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: approval for private schools in seventeen states. So we know
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: what it takes to come to market in the school
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: choice movement, and we can help parents do it or
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: education entrepreneurs. Many teachers are starting their own schools. So
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: that's at your edfreedom dot org. All the resources you
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: need for free.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Your edfreedom dot org, your edfreedom dot org and you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: can learn more and do all of that there. Erica
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Donald's always appreciate you. Thank you for spending some time
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: with us.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: You got it. Kevin McCullough coming back to Times Square,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: don't go away, stick around for more of fat Kevin.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Next, serving it up with a no drink minimal.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It's that kind of.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Show, all right, Kevin McCulla Thanking you for those of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you that have been with us today. Again, the challenge
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: is very simple. There's one hundred and fifty children that
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: we have not yet spoken for of the seven hundred
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and twenty, which means We've done an amazing thing. Five
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy children have been fed for the next
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: year and have clean drinking water for the full year,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: two meals a day. By the way, thank you for
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: everyone who's been part of that. But we also have
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: some wood to chop in. Those remaining one hundred and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: fifty and twelve thousand dollars would cover that entire thing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And I've issued a challenge. If you will give a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: gift to five thousand dollars or more, I will have
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: dinner with you. We will work it out, we will
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: make it happen. I will spend the evening. You can
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: have friends, We will pelt me with questions, we will
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: we will have a wonderful night of conversation about politics, news, faith, God, Jesus,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: anything and everything that is of interest to you. But
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Everyone who gives five thousand or more
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: from this point in the campaign to the end, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: will award that to them. There's also this little thing too,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and that is if you're the first one to give
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars today, the mccallough family is going to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: match you. So if you give six thousand dollars and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you were the first one. We're going to give six,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So that's that's underway as well. Here's the phone number
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  Speaker 1: eight five five nine zero seven four six seven three
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming up next hour. I mentioned this earlier
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: this hour. The most important monologue I've ever done on
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: this show will be at the beginning of the next hour.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I have something to say that was keeping me awake
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: at three am this morning, And as I grabbed my
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: writing device and started to put these thoughts down, I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just I could not unsee what I saw. I was
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: so overcome with this central revelation of obvious truth that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard anybody say, at least
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in the way that I'm planning on saying it. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: will you stay with me through to the next hour
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and at least hear me out on that. But beyond that,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: John Ayella is going to be back with us from
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: an organization called Open the Bible. Their entire focus at
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that organization is to get you to be more inquisitive
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: about what's in the pages of scripture. Just get inside
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: there and see what's in look under the hood like
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that's their whole that's their whole goal is just to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: create within you a curiosity about what's in the between
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the covers of Sure, we've got a very special event
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: coming up with open the Bible, and I want you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to know about that as well. He'll be with us.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And then you may know the name Billy Graham, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you may know his daughter Ann Graham, who became Am
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Graham and Graham Lots when she got married and her daughter.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: She and her daughter have both been through incredible health
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: challenges in recent years, and they've learned a little bit
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: about this, and then they studied the life of Joseph
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in scripture and of all things, now there's a book
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: detailing their journeys, the narrative of Joseph and how God works.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: That is a truly inspiring story. And I am truly
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: honored to have and Graham Lots joining us to tell
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: this story. I think it's just going to be a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: remarkable conversation. I hope you'll stick around for it. I
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  Speaker 1: Here, Well, welcome, Kavil McCullough. Glad to have you with us,
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  Speaker 1: Always pleased to have you here. Sometimes on Wednesdays we
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  Speaker 1: take a little bit more of a focused look at
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  Speaker 1: few minutes, we're going to take more of a look
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  Speaker 1: at spiritual health and life and happiness and what's good
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  Speaker 1: for us than I sometimes do. I've got some very
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  Speaker 1: special guests. John i Elo is going to be with
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  Speaker 1: us from a group called Open the Bible. Their whole
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  Speaker 1: focus at that organization is to get you more interested
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  Speaker 1: in what's inside of the Bible. Maybe that doesn't appeal
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  Speaker 1: to you, maybe it does, but we think it's worth conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm going to be joined by and Graham Lots
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  Speaker 1: and her daughter Rachel Lots, right, and I expect this
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  Speaker 1: to be a really interesting discussion because between heart attacks
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  Speaker 1: and cancer, there is a very big message that these
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  Speaker 1: two women have for us, and I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: that discussion. But I want to start with something that
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  Speaker 1: kept me awake this morning at three am. It was
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  Speaker 1: a thought, a thought that turned into a thread that
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  Speaker 1: ran through my head. That runs through nearly every major
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  Speaker 1: debate consuming our culture today. It shows up in conversations
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  Speaker 1: about gender, energy, economics, justice, foreign policy, and even the
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  Speaker 1: meaning of life itself. And once I saw it, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't unsee it. I don't think you'll be able to either.
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  Speaker 1: At the center of it all is a single, unavoidable truth,
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  Speaker 1: God's design works, and the modern left can't stand that.
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  Speaker 1: That's not hyperbole, it's not partisan chest thumping. It's the
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  Speaker 1: unavoidable conclusion drawn from watching how these debates actually play
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  Speaker 1: out in the real world, because over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: when humanity aligns itself with the way God designed things
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  Speaker 1: to function, life flourishes, and when we rebel against that design,
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  Speaker 1: things fracture, they decay and collapse. Start with the most
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  Speaker 1: personal and volatile debate of the moment, the human body.
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  Speaker 1: For thousands of years, every civilization understood something simple and profound.
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  Speaker 1: Male and female are not arbitrary categories. They are foundational realities,
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  Speaker 1: embedded into the very fabric of all human existence. Modern
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  Speaker 1: biology it has not undone that truth. In fact, it
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  Speaker 1: has confirmed it. At the cellular level, every cell in
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  Speaker 1: the human body carries the imprint of sex xx or
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  Speaker 1: x y. It's written into the DNA. And yet, in
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  Speaker 1: defianants of both ancient wisdom and modern science, we are
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  Speaker 1: told that identity can be declared apart from biology, that
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  Speaker 1: surgical alteration and hormonal intervention can override what is literally
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  Speaker 1: encoded into every cell, and reality doesn't bend. Study after
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  Speaker 1: study have raised serious concerns about long term physical and
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  Speaker 1: psychological outcomes tied to aggressive medical interventions, particularly among miners.
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  Speaker 1: The human body was not designed to be dismantled and reassembled,
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  Speaker 1: according to ideology. It was designed with intention, with purpose,
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  Speaker 1: with design affirming that design leads to health, coherence, stability.
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  Speaker 1: Rejecting it leads to confusion and fragmentation and harm. The
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  Speaker 1: same pattern emerges when you step into the energy debate.
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  Speaker 1: For centuries, human flourishing has dependent on reliable, scalable energy.
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  Speaker 1: Entire civilizations have risen on the back of it, and
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  Speaker 1: yet today were told to abandon the very systems that
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  Speaker 1: power modern life, not because viable alternatives are ready to
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  Speaker 1: fully replace them, but because ideology demands it. And the
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  Speaker 1: result energy shortages, rising costs, strained infrastructure nations forced to
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  Speaker 1: make desperate compromises just to keep lights on God's design
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  Speaker 1: for the earth included abundance resources to be stewarded wisely,
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  Speaker 1: not rejected. These aren't just nice ideas, they are the
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  Speaker 1: foundation of every prosperous society in history. Undermine them through corruption,
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  Speaker 1: redistribution schemes detached from productivity, or the erosion of accountability.
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  Speaker 1: In what happens, inflation rises, opportunity shrinks, trust collapse. Because
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  Speaker 1: the economic systems are not immune from moral reality, they
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  Speaker 1: depend on it. The area of justice tells us the
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  Speaker 1: same story. At the heart of true justice is the
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  Speaker 1: concept of the imago day, the belief that every human
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  Speaker 1: being is made in the image of God and therefore
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  Speaker 1: possesses inherent dignity and worth. That idea has shaped Western
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  Speaker 1: legal systems for centuries. It is why we value life,
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  Speaker 1: why we pursue fairness, why we punish wrongdoing, but strip
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  Speaker 1: that foundation away, and justice becomes something else entirely. It
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  Speaker 1: becomes selective and political, and weaponized and unjust. We've seen
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  Speaker 1: it play out where a theft of public resources is excused,
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  Speaker 1: where law enforcement is undermined, where victims are forgotten and
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  Speaker 1: criminals are rationalized. When justice is no longer anchored in
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  Speaker 1: the inherent value of every human life, it stops being
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  Speaker 1: justice at all. It becomes power. Then there's peace. Peace
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  Speaker 1: is not achieved by appeasement. It is not sustained by weakness.
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  Speaker 1: History has proven that time and time again. Real peace
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  Speaker 1: comes through strength, clarity, moral conviction, the willingness to confront
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  Speaker 1: evil and to restrain evil. Scripture understood this long before
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  Speaker 1: modern geopolitics ever existed. Blessed are the peacemakers does not
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  Speaker 1: mean blessed are the passive. It means blessed are those
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  Speaker 1: willing to do the hard and often costly work of
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  Speaker 1: establishing and maintaining order. We are watching that principle play
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  Speaker 1: out on the world stage even now, and finally, there
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  Speaker 1: is life itself. Populations don't survive by accident. They survive
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  Speaker 1: when families are formed, when children are formed, when communities
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  Speaker 1: are formed with love and sacrifice, and continuity. Every civilization
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  Speaker 1: that has thrived has honored those truths in some form,
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  Speaker 1: but reject them, devalue family, diminish the importance of children,
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  Speaker 1: readdefine the structure of human relationships. And the consequences are immediate.
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  Speaker 1: Birth rates collapse, loneliness rises, society's age and weaken. Life withers.
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  Speaker 1: Because life flourishes when it aligns with God's design. All
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  Speaker 1: of this points to a reality that many would rather avoid.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't ultimately about politics. It's about authority. God's design
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  Speaker 1: stands as a constant, unchanging reference point. It doesn't shift
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  Speaker 1: with cultural trends. It doesn't bend to ideological pressure. It
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  Speaker 1: simply is. And that presents a problem for any worldview
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  Speaker 1: that insists on self definition above all else, because if
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  Speaker 1: God's design is true, then we are not the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: authors of reality. And that is the tension at the
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  Speaker 1: heart of it all. The anger, the insistence, the relentless
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  Speaker 1: push to redefine what has always been. It is not
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  Speaker 1: just disagreement with other people. It is resistance to the
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  Speaker 1: one who designed it all. But here's the part that
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  Speaker 1: should give every one of us pause us and hope.
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  Speaker 1: God's design is an arbitrary. It's not restrictive for the
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  Speaker 1: sake of restriction. It is ordered toward life, toward flourishing,
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  Speaker 1: toward love. And when we live within it, we don't
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  Speaker 1: lose freedom, we find it. When we honor it, we
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  Speaker 1: don't diminish humanity, we elevate it. And when we reject it,
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  Speaker 1: the consequences aren't just philosophical, they are painfully, unmistakably real,
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  Speaker 1: because in the end, reality always wins, and reality, whether
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  Speaker 1: we acknowledge it or not, still belongs to the God
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  Speaker 1: who created it. Un Kevin mccollor.
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  Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square. Kevin McCullough. Glad to have
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  Speaker 1: you live and always thankful to be able to talk
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  Speaker 1: about all things in life, not just what's going on
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  Speaker 1: on the front page, but also as we have been
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  Speaker 1: kind of walking through this lent and season, and it
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  Speaker 1: always happens, at least I shouldn't say always. In the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years, some of the days leading up
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  Speaker 1: to Holy Week have been kind of formative for me, like,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, yesterday with Saint Patrick's Day, and so I
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  Speaker 1: spent some time talking about who he really was and
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  Speaker 1: what he really lived through, And it's very different than
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  Speaker 1: the plastic hats and green beer, like, that's not who
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  Speaker 1: Saint Patrick was. This was a man who lived in slavery.
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  Speaker 1: It was liberated and went back to where he was
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  Speaker 1: enslaved for one express purpose to just share the Gospel
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  Speaker 1: with the island of Ireland. He wasn't Irish by nature,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was a big lift for him. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have to be Saint Patrick to have an evangelistic
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  Speaker 1: heart during the Holy Week season? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have that level of commitment, the
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  Speaker 1: mission field is probably calling your name. But for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us, we want to be more reaching out
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  Speaker 1: with our faith. We want to invite friends, we want
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  Speaker 1: to tell them about the good News, but sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: are a little intimidated or scared or fearful of how
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  Speaker 1: to do that. Not wanting to reject a friend, not
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  Speaker 1: wanting a friend to reject us. John Ielo is back
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  Speaker 1: with us from an organization called Open the Bible, whose
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  Speaker 1: express purpose is just to get people interested in reading
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  Speaker 1: what's inside scripture, which is kind of a cool organization.
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  Speaker 1: But John, for the last number of years we've been
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  Speaker 1: working together on something called heaven. How I got here
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  Speaker 1: the story of the Thief on the Cross, And I
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  Speaker 1: know that you were thinking about that very question recently.
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  Speaker 1: How do I share my faith? How do I cast
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  Speaker 1: my faith? And this film, this WatchKit opportunity that we
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  Speaker 1: have been talking about, is really a low barrier, simple
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  Speaker 1: entry way for people to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 11: It really is, Kevin, thank you and thanks for having
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  Speaker 11: me again. It can be scary to talk to people
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  Speaker 11: about faith, to share the gospel, as you were discussing,
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  Speaker 11: Saint Patrick did so effectively.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, when you think.
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  Speaker 11: About the whole Bible and its entirety, that can be intimidating,
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  Speaker 11: not only to the listener but to the deliverer.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's hard to share that whole story, the story
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  Speaker 2: the Thief on the Cross.
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  Speaker 11: However, it's just a little piece of Luke chapter twenty three,
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  Speaker 11: and it's so clear, and it's so concise, and it
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  Speaker 11: delivers the gospel as clearly as anything else in God's Word.
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  Speaker 11: And that's why this story can be so helpful to
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  Speaker 11: you out there today listening, watching, if you've got somebody
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  Speaker 11: on your heart that needs to hear the good news
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  Speaker 11: of Jesus Christ and you can do it without being
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  Speaker 11: an MDiv professor or you know, a PhD Bible theelogian.
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  Speaker 11: It's just normal people talking to normal people about God's word.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the magic happens. In my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think, and I've said this in our
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  Speaker 1: last couple of discussions, we'll say it again. I think
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  Speaker 1: that the story of the Thief is the most hope
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  Speaker 1: filled story of the Gospel that we see represented in scripture.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of other people become apostles or gospel writers or
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  Speaker 1: missionaries or big full time workers for Jesus. His disciples
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  Speaker 1: go out and they have their ministry after he leaves
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  Speaker 1: and goes back to heaven after his resurrection. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people that tell a lot of very interesting
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  Speaker 1: things about long spiritual journeys. The thief had none of that.
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  Speaker 1: He had no opportunity to join a men's group. He
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  Speaker 1: couldn't give any money to help build an extension. There
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  Speaker 1: was no aisle for him to walk down. There was
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  Speaker 1: nothing that he could do to self generate a relationship
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  Speaker 1: with God.
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  Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, I mean literally, he couldn't walk the path
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  Speaker 11: of righteousness. His feet were nailed to across like Jesus right.
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  Speaker 11: He couldn't hand out food to serve the needy. His
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  Speaker 11: hands were nailed to across, just like Jesus. And yet
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  Speaker 11: Jesus said to him today you will be with me
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  Speaker 11: in Paradise. He confessed is his sin essentially at the cross,
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  Speaker 11: and ask Jesus to remember him. And that's all it
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  Speaker 11: took to the certainty of heaven for eternity, which is
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  Speaker 11: just an amazing story. And people don't know it. They
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  Speaker 11: don't understand the gist of this story. They may have
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  Speaker 11: seen it in a movie. They saw the two people
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  Speaker 11: next to Jesus on various crosses, and they're screaming and yelling,
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  Speaker 11: And yet what happened in the soul and the heart
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  Speaker 11: and in the life and eternity of that thief is
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  Speaker 11: game changer for anyone out there that really doesn't yet
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  Speaker 11: understand Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about what we started with
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  Speaker 1: in this segment in just a second. But before we
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  Speaker 1: go any further, friends, I want you, if you're listening,
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  Speaker 1: we have a very simple goal. We'd love for a
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  Speaker 1: million people to view a film called Heaven How I
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  Speaker 1: Got Here, the story of the Thief on the Cross.
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  Speaker 1: It's free to watch. We will even deliver you the
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  Speaker 1: link to your inbox so that you can watch it.
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  Speaker 1: But we would not only like you to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: We would like you to watch it and then, if
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  Speaker 1: you are so moved, invite friends to watch it with you,
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  Speaker 1: have them over to your house, have a have a
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  Speaker 1: watch event. Some people might call him a watch party.
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  Speaker 1: It may not be a party in your mind. I
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  Speaker 1: think anytime I get friends together kind of have a
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  Speaker 1: party atmosphere. But if you want to have an event
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  Speaker 1: where you maybe put out a few snacks, a cup
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  Speaker 1: of coffee or two, you watch the film together and
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  Speaker 1: then have a discussion about what you see, about what
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  Speaker 1: you understand about the life of what the thief went
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  Speaker 1: through and how he processed all of it. The character
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  Speaker 1: is portrayed by the actor Stephen Baldwin in what some
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  Speaker 1: have said candidly may be his best performance as an actor,
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  Speaker 1: and the story is powerfully written by Colin Smith, who
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  Speaker 1: is he's the president of the Ministry Opened the Bible
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  Speaker 1: and had served in a pulpit in the Chicago area
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  Speaker 1: for many many years, but now full time focuses on
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  Speaker 1: Open the Bible. But you can get this watch kit
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  Speaker 1: to you. It's absolutely free. And then at the end
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  Speaker 1: of everything, maybe even shoot us an email back and say,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you what God did when we had
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  Speaker 1: our watch event at our house. But we would love
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  Speaker 1: for a million homes to have watch events and to
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  Speaker 1: share the gospel through this simple story of the thief
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  Speaker 1: on the Cross. Now, John, you and I were talking
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  Speaker 1: before we went on the air to be how do
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  Speaker 1: I know who to invite?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, well let me start with this. First of all,
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  Speaker 11: be convicted to invite.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 11: We have a simple mission that open the Bible. It's
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: we want to build a movement of people who love
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  Speaker 11: to open God's word themselves and who feel equipped to
• 57:36
  Speaker 11: open it with others. And so what does equip mean.
• 57:39
  Speaker 11: It just means to have a heart to want to share.
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: So starting with your own heart, it's easy to sort
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: of hoard the gospel right to keep it to myself
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  Speaker 11: and all this is wonderful. Or watch the film that
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: you just talked about, Kevin, and I think that was awesome.
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  Speaker 11: You know, I'm on fire. The fire doesn't matter unless
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: you talk to somebody about it, unless you share it
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: a little bit. So who to talk to?
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  Speaker 3: Pray?
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  Speaker 11: First of all, my first advice would be just pray
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  Speaker 11: Lord to who in my life needs to hear the.
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  Speaker 2: True understand the true story of Grace.
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  Speaker 11: That maybe is walking around thinking maybe I've lived a
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  Speaker 11: good enough life. You know, I'm a pretty good guy.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a pretty good galley. I haven't done too much.
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  Speaker 11: You know, I'm pretty good with the commandments. Right, people
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  Speaker 11: walking around sort of thinking that's how they might get
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  Speaker 11: into heaven, Right, these are the people that need to
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  Speaker 11: hear this. These are the people that maybe need to
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  Speaker 11: hear you share a little bit about your own brokenness,
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: your own sinfulness, and how Grace has changed your own
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  Speaker 11: walk with the Lord and understanding of what happened at
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: the cross. So I would say, pray number one is
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  Speaker 11: the first thing, and then ask ask these people. You know,
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: we'll give you some tools, send a trailer, send whatever
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  Speaker 11: you need to do, go on our website, find the
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: right words. But honestly, just asking, hey, would you would
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  Speaker 11: you come and watch this with me? Okay, it's an easy.
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  Speaker 2: Ask.
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  Speaker 11: It's an hour long film, it's free, it's engaging. The
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  Speaker 11: performance itself is worth the hour, I promise you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but ask.
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  Speaker 11: If you don't ask, it's not going to happen. Okay,
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: And then pray again, Lord, they said, yes, give me
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: the right words when they walk in the door, you know,
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  Speaker 11: give me the right snacks when they come to the countertop.
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  Speaker 11: Let me let me have the words and what I've found.
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  Speaker 11: When you pray that way, the Holy Spirit is bat
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  Speaker 11: in a thousand, always gives you the right words, always
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  Speaker 11: gives you the right heart.
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  Speaker 2: And you do not need to be able to repeat it.
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  Speaker 11: You do not need to be a theologian to share
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: the gospel, and these tools are helpful to do that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: All you need to do is maybe simply ask, Hey,
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: what did you relate to with the thief? Here's what
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  Speaker 11: I related to you know what I mean? I thought
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  Speaker 11: I was doing okay. I thought I was so far
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  Speaker 11: from God. I thought I had done so many things
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  Speaker 11: so bad that God wanted nothing to do with me.
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  Speaker 11: Relate a little bit of yourself, and then ask them
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  Speaker 11: to just relate a little bit, okay, And then I
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  Speaker 11: would argue, just ask the simple question.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how do you think the guy got into heaven?
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  Speaker 2: You know what changed?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 2: What did he do?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 11: And just ask him to comment on a movie. We
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  Speaker 11: all got a little Roger Ebert in us the movie
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  Speaker 11: Did you like it?
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  Speaker 2: Would you think?
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  Speaker 3: Thumbs up? Thumbs down?
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  Speaker 11: And just start into the conversation and the Holy Spirit
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  Speaker 11: will be right by your shine every step.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt. All right, friends, here's our assignment for the week.
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  Speaker 1: Get the watch kit. Make sure you have the links
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  Speaker 1: and study questions. You can do that by going to
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  Speaker 1: that kevinshow dot com backslash Heaven, that kevinshow dot com
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  Speaker 1: backslash Heaven. Just request the watch kit, have it on hand,
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  Speaker 1: pre watch the movie yourself so you know what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to show them, and then be putting your list together.
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  Speaker 1: And what I have found John, when I've been challenged
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  Speaker 1: on things like this, and I go to a really
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  Speaker 1: funny church that does things like mugging our neighbors at
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Christmas at Easter time. Mugging our neighbors is we give
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  Speaker 1: them a mug that is full of em and m's
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  Speaker 1: or glad you explain that other things and we take
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  Speaker 1: it and we say hey, come join us on Holy Weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But we mug our neighbors. But when the pastor says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, think about who you're going to invite, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even really have to think that very long or
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  Speaker 1: that very hard, because there's always people that I know. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that person's starting to be more open to what God
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  Speaker 1: asked for them, or this person's been through a hard
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  Speaker 1: time and I've prayed with them, or there's people I
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  Speaker 1: know that are going through something. Now, the Lord will
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  Speaker 1: put people on your heart. He will supply names faces.
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  Speaker 1: There will not be a vacuum in that. The resistance
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  Speaker 1: will come from inside of us. And if we can
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  Speaker 1: just lean forward a little bit God, we'll do all
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  Speaker 1: of it to His glory. John I Lo thank you
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  Speaker 1: for the challenge, Thank you for letting us be part
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  Speaker 1: of it. Thank you for what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin. Great to be Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin mccallach. Coming right back from Times Square. Don't go away, Let's.
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  Speaker 3: Stick around for more of that.
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  Speaker 13: Kevin next here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square. Times Square, No, not Times Square,
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  Speaker 1: that Kevin shows the name of the show that kevinshow
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  Speaker 1: dot com is where you find everything, and we do
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  Speaker 1: come to you from Times Square every day, grateful to
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  Speaker 1: be here. I'm very pleased to have my next guests
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  Speaker 1: because there's probably no more practical topic that you will
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  Speaker 1: ever face or be forced to deal with than the
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  Speaker 1: disappointments of life. And when those disappointments reach deep, when
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  Speaker 1: the cancer word comes into your vocabulary, when someone walks
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  Speaker 1: out on you, when there is a sudden vacuum in
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: your life that you weren't expecting. These are the moments where,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: shall we say, the rubber meets the road. And in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the Bible, this was actually very present in one of
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  Speaker 1: the lives of the most well known Old Testament patriarchs,
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  Speaker 1: but also in the life of Jesus in what he
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  Speaker 1: experiences towards the end of his time. Joining me to
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  Speaker 1: discuss all of this is an Graham Lots, who's been
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  Speaker 1: with us before, and it's great to see you and
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Ruth. Lot's right, who is the who's making her
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  Speaker 1: debut with us. Rachel Ruth, it's good to have you
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  Speaker 1: with us as well. And the book is called God
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  Speaker 1: Won't Leave You There Joseph's Story. Ladies, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I knew until I read some of the publication for
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  Speaker 1: the book about the level of loss that you've each
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  Speaker 1: kind of walked through in recent years. As you were
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  Speaker 1: putting this book together. What was it about your individual
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  Speaker 1: journeys that said, we've got to tell people about the
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  Speaker 1: hope that is here. And how did you even begin
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  Speaker 1: to process going from where you were in some of
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  Speaker 1: those dark moments to now really offering hope to those
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  Speaker 1: that are maybe seeking seeing them right now?
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  Speaker 10: You know, Kevin, I think it wasn't just our journey,
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  Speaker 10: but everybody we know is suffering in some way, has
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  Speaker 10: some sort of disappointment, disaster. Life is hard, and I
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  Speaker 10: think it's gotten harder for some reason. And so what
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  Speaker 10: you've referred to from me, you know, my mother went
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  Speaker 10: to heaven, then my father went to heaven. And the
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  Speaker 10: year that my father went to heaven that that was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 10: in February. Then it was in August that I was
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  Speaker 10: diagnosed with breast cancer, went through surgery, chemotherapy, radiation that
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  Speaker 10: took like a year, and then have had other issues
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  Speaker 10: since then. Rachel Ruth has said her own problems, But
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  Speaker 10: I think what's carried us through and this is what
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  Speaker 10: I would want to get across to everybody that if
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  Speaker 10: you don't have trouble in your life, if there's not
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  Speaker 10: any suffering, if there's not a disaster, it's make sure
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  Speaker 10: you establish a relationship with God now, because you don't
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  Speaker 10: want to wait until you have a disaster and then
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  Speaker 10: have to scramble to develop a relationship with God. I
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  Speaker 10: had a strong relationship with God when all of those
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  Speaker 10: things took place, and it was and actually it was
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  Speaker 10: before my father went to have her. My husband went
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  Speaker 10: to heaven unexpectedly. That was three years before my father
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  Speaker 10: did so. But it was my relationship with the Lord
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  Speaker 10: that carried me through. And my relationship with the Lord
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  Speaker 10: is my own. I don't it's not dependent on my husband,
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  Speaker 10: or my father, or my mother or my health. My
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  Speaker 10: relationship with the Lord is deeper than that, broader than that,
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  Speaker 10: stronger than that. So when a disaster comes, the relationship
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  Speaker 10: of the Lord is like your bedrock. It's what carries
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  Speaker 10: you through. And I've learned to trust him. He's in control,
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  Speaker 10: he knows what he's doing. I've given him my life.
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  Speaker 10: I remember I told the radiologists when I was diagnosed
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  Speaker 10: with the cancer and after the mammogram and he had
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  Speaker 10: a box of Kleenex from me to be crying. And
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  Speaker 10: I said, no, I said, you don't understand. God's in control,
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  Speaker 10: and I know if He's allowed this, that is for
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  Speaker 10: a greater purpose.
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  Speaker 9: So that's that's critical, I think.
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  Speaker 10: And if you haven't established relationship with God and the
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  Speaker 10: disaster is hit, then maybe this book and what we
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  Speaker 10: testify would encourage you to do that, because that's your
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  Speaker 10: number one priority. It's not your healthy or happiness, it's
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  Speaker 10: your relationship with God.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to repeat the title of the book,
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  Speaker 1: God won't leave you there. It's Joseph's story, But that's
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  Speaker 1: an encouraging title for the book, just even of itself.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Ruth, your mom is speaking here, and I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: to myself, I'm hearing my long time pastor, doctor Ray
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  Speaker 1: Pritchard's voice in my head because he used to always say,
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  Speaker 1: everyone in life is in one of three places. We're
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  Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of a crisis or trial,
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  Speaker 1: we are about to enter one, or we've just left one.
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  Speaker 1: But in life, it's going to happen, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be a very unique thing for people to
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  Speaker 1: have trials on a regular basis, so from and describe
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  Speaker 1: what she was going through. Let's walk through what you
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  Speaker 1: were facing as you were preparing for this message.
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  Speaker 12: I've had hard things to kind of my whole life,
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  Speaker 12: just different difficult things. But four years ago is when
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  Speaker 12: I just really got slammed. I had ended up, long
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  Speaker 12: story short, through a terrible stress test that I went
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  Speaker 12: in for my heart.
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  Speaker 7: I just had like a not a big deal.
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  Speaker 12: Thing going on with my heart that I'd had forever
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  Speaker 12: and it was nothing. But I went in for.
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  Speaker 7: A stress test that went terrible. Like I then ran.
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  Speaker 12: It was terrible, and I walked out with all this
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  Speaker 12: chest pain and I was crying.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know what was going on, and thought, oh,
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  Speaker 7: I must have pulled some muscles.
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  Speaker 12: That's where you've run on the treadmill and all this,
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  Speaker 12: and and four days later I was like, I think
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  Speaker 12: I'm having a heart attack.
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  Speaker 7: And I went in and sure.
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  Speaker 12: Enough, after they figured it out, it's called I had
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  Speaker 12: what it was called spontaneous coronary artery dissection, where the
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  Speaker 12: inside of your artery and your heart just shreds.
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  Speaker 7: And so the first one.
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  Speaker 12: You know, was morphine didn't even touch it in the
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  Speaker 12: hospital hurt so bad, and they were like, well, it'll
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  Speaker 12: just heal.
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  Speaker 7: It's too far down in your heart.
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  Speaker 12: To get a stent into it. And that's the way
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  Speaker 12: the Lord would have it. He was so sovereign. I
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  Speaker 12: stayed over that night and the next day had a
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  Speaker 12: massive scad heart attack and my other artery where it
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  Speaker 12: shredded from top to bottom.
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  Speaker 7: And I shouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, God literally saved my life just I mean,
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  Speaker 12: it's crazy and so but since then, for three years
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  Speaker 12: after that, I was in horrible They said it could
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  Speaker 12: happen again. You know. I had all these stints from
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  Speaker 12: my heart everything, and the pain was horrible. I ended
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  Speaker 12: up having blood clots in my lungs, had a mini stroke.
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  Speaker 12: I went to the hospital like twelve times thinking I
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  Speaker 12: was having another one, and so it was like it
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  Speaker 12: was intense. But God was with me through all of it.
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  Speaker 12: He spoke to me through his word. He encouraged me.
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  Speaker 7: It was the pits. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
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  Speaker 12: But at the same time, God took me to a
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  Speaker 12: deep level of just trusting him.
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  Speaker 3: Here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 7: That's act.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough, all right, final few minutes with and Graham
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  Speaker 1: Locks and Rachel Ruth Lots, and we're very excited to
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  Speaker 1: be announcing their book God Won't Leave You There, Joseph's
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  Speaker 1: Story and told me before we went on the on
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  Speaker 1: the air that I'm the first one on the tour,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel kind of special about all that, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you. I want to get into what I think
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  Speaker 1: is really the big issue here, and that is that
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  Speaker 1: God's in charge and we're not. And sometimes that's interpreted
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  Speaker 1: as being unhealthy or harsh or in some way mean.
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  Speaker 1: But I think of like Psalm one fifteen three that says,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that our God is in heaven and
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  Speaker 1: does what pleases him. I think of a back of
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  Speaker 1: two three where it says, for the vision is for
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  Speaker 1: the appointed time, though it terries wait for it, he
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  Speaker 1: will not delay. There's there's all this reminder through scripture
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  Speaker 1: and certainly in the life of Joseph, that there that
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  Speaker 1: there is someone bigger than us, outside of us, beyond us,
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  Speaker 1: that we are accountable to. And I want to go
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  Speaker 1: theological on this for a second. It's not wrong to
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  Speaker 1: be heartbroken at times. Heartbrokenness is something that happens as
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  Speaker 1: a result of sad things happening. But it's when that
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  Speaker 1: takes root and becomes bitter, and the bitterness turns into
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  Speaker 1: a defiance against the sovereign God that we really end
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  Speaker 1: up in trouble. And it's man's inability to admit that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: God is in control and that we're not that the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: disalignment happens. And you're what you're calling people to in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: this book is to realign themselves with God, realign themselves
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  Speaker 1: with his sovereignty, realign themselves with his plan. Talk to
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  Speaker 1: us about that important kind of theological concept, because I
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  Speaker 1: think that in America especially, it's very easy to think
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  Speaker 1: God fits in my pocket, He's happy to have me around.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have him when all things are good.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not the God of the Bible.
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  Speaker 9: Actually, I don't think we pay much attention whenever.
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  Speaker 1: Also very true, and I think.
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  Speaker 10: What you've described, Kevin is somebody who does not trust
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  Speaker 10: the goodness of God. So God is in control, he
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  Speaker 10: can do whatever he chooses. Yes, that's but God is
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  Speaker 10: good and he's faithful, and he's true, and he loves
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  Speaker 10: each and every one of us, and he has a
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  Speaker 10: plan for our lives of purpose, Jeremiah says, not of evil,
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  Speaker 10: but to a purpose to give us a good future,
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  Speaker 10: to give us hope. And so I think goes back
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  Speaker 10: to the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter three, when
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  Speaker 10: the devil tempted Eve to doubt the goodness of God.
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  Speaker 10: You know, that was he holding out on her. He
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  Speaker 10: didn't want her to eat from that tree because he
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  Speaker 10: didn't want her to have something that really she should
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  Speaker 10: have had.
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  Speaker 9: And so right at the very outset, she.
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  Speaker 10: Was being tempted to doubt God's goodness. And so I
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  Speaker 10: think it needs you need to go back to your
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: view of God and who he is. And if I
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  Speaker 10: can just tell your listeners, that's whoever you are, God
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  Speaker 10: loves you, loves you, and he loves you so much
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  Speaker 10: that he actually came to earth. Jesus is the son
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  Speaker 10: of God. That doesn't mean God junior. He means God
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  Speaker 10: in the human flesh. And he came in the human
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  Speaker 10: flesh to down the cross to take away your sin.
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  Speaker 10: That if you would put your trust in him, he
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  Speaker 10: would forgive you clanse you of your sin, bring you
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  Speaker 10: into a right relationship with himself. You open up your heart,
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  Speaker 10: you invite him to come in. He comes in in
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  Speaker 10: the person of his spirit. He will never leave you
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  Speaker 10: and never forsake you. And at that point in time,
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  Speaker 10: you become his child, and then he takes responsibility for you.
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  Speaker 10: So like when Great Truth was little, you know, if
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  Speaker 10: there's a situation where the neighbor's children, I take responsibility
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  Speaker 10: for her, and I send the neighbor's children home, And
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  Speaker 10: so God takes full responsibility for his own children. And
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  Speaker 10: so if you're a child of God, if you've been
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  Speaker 10: to the cross, you've confessed your sin, you've turned away
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  Speaker 10: from it, invited Christ to be your savior and Lord,
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  Speaker 10: and surrendered your life to him. Your life is in
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: his hands, and he's a good God, and he wants
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 10: the best for you. He wants you to be blessed,
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  Speaker 10: and he doesn't want you to miss out on anything.
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  Speaker 10: So if you defy him and resist him, at the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: very least, you're going to experience less than what God
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: wants you to have. So he's a good guy. And
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  Speaker 10: I knew that when I was diagnosed. I knew that
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  Speaker 10: when I found my husband unresponsive in our pool, and
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  Speaker 10: I've known that through rachelous heart attacks, that God is
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  Speaker 10: good and we just cling to him and it doesn't.
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  Speaker 9: Mean we don't cry. It doesn't mean we don't have
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 9: a hard time. And I'll tell you something else, Kevin.
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  Speaker 10: People who've treated you unjustly, leave it to God, he says,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 10: vengeance is mine. I will repay and he's going to
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  Speaker 10: sort it out. We can just leave him to deal
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 10: with those other people, and.
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  Speaker 1: He'll do it so much better than we could anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So we're.
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  Speaker 9: Free to forgive.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, Rachel, Ruth. We're running out of time. But
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  Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to really speak
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  Speaker 1: to the same people that your mom just did, and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: that is to if there's someone that you could have,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: you know, two minutes with and just say, this is
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: what I want you to know about the God that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I serve. What is it?
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  Speaker 12: He's worth it, and that Jesus will walk you through
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: the darkest valleys. And you know when Jesus came here,
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  Speaker 12: he's the son of God.
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  Speaker 7: And he went to the cross.
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  Speaker 12: He was beaten, he was had thorns in his head,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 12: he was nailed to a cross, and you talk about
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: awfulness he went through it. He could have picked a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 12: different time, but they didn't do such horrible crucifixions. But
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 12: that's when he came, and it was for a greater purpose,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 12: you know, and it was so that we could have
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 12: a relationship with him, so that we weren't sent to hell,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: that we can.
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  Speaker 7: Go to heaven one day when we die.
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  Speaker 12: But whatever we go through, I think the big thing
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 12: is to put your focus on Jesus. Put your focus
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: on who he is, and look at who he is
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 12: through the pages of your word, and get into your
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 12: Bible and fall in love with him while you're going
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 12: through it.
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  Speaker 7: He is the comforter.
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  Speaker 12: I could not have survived what I went through, even
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: mentally after being through those horrific heart attacks, for the
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, thank you for thank you
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  Speaker 1: don't know of a more important thing we could talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And on Wednesday sometimes we talk about health. We've never
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  Speaker 1: talked about spiritual health, not to the degree that we
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  Speaker 1: have this hour. So thank you for being there and
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  Speaker 1: this show with a very sad reality from a family
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  Speaker 1: that has been set a major setback in a European
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  Speaker 1: court last week. A couple's year long fight to regain
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  Speaker 1: custody of their daughters from the Swedish government was dealt
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  Speaker 1: a major setback last week after a European court rejected
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  Speaker 1: their plea for help get this. The European Court of
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  Speaker 1: Human Rights ruled that the case brought by Daniel and
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  Speaker 1: Bianca Samson inadmissible on March tenth, a final decision that
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  Speaker 1: cannot be appealed. According to Alliance Defending Freedom International, which
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  Speaker 1: is supporting the family's legal effort. The children have been
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  Speaker 1: separated from their parents since December of twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Alliance Defending Freedom International said the case began after the
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  Speaker 1: couple's eldest daughter, Sarah, then eleven, made a false report
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  Speaker 1: at school following a fight with her parents over not
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  Speaker 1: being allowed to have a smartphone or wear makeup. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, if this is where we go. ADF said
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  Speaker 1: the girl quickly retracted the allegation and that prosecutors found
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  Speaker 1: no evidence of abuse of any sort, but the Swedish
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  Speaker 1: state refused to return the children. According to the legal group,
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  Speaker 1: the state cited the family's habit of attending church three
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  Speaker 1: times a week and their parenting choices as evidence of
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  Speaker 1: religious extremism and justification for keeping the children. The girls
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  Speaker 1: have since pleaded with the authorities to be reunited with
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  Speaker 1: their parents and have suffered worsening mental and physical health.
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  Speaker 1: Their parents reported that both girls attempted suicide while in
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  Speaker 1: state care. The parents have completed state mandated parenting courses
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  Speaker 1: and were later deemed fit to parent, according to the
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  Speaker 1: legal group, but they still have not been reunited with
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  Speaker 1: their daughters. They have also allegedly sought to move the
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  Speaker 1: girls into foster care in their home country of Romania,
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  Speaker 1: but have been denied. The European Court of Human Rights
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  Speaker 1: deemed the case inadmissible on the grounds of failure to
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  Speaker 1: exhaust legal remedies in Sweden. ADF International said despite the
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  Speaker 1: Swedish Supreme Court refusing to hear the family's case in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we love our children, we trusted Sweden
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  Speaker 1: to protect them, and when the truth emerged, we expected
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  Speaker 1: our daughters to come home, said Daniel Samson in a statement.
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  Speaker 1: Yet they remain away from us and their mental health
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  Speaker 1: continues to deteriorate. ADF International told Premier Christian News that
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  Speaker 1: social services in Hasselholm are now move moving to permanently
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  Speaker 1: sever the family's ties and place the girls for adoption.
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  Speaker 1: We deeply regret the court's decision to reject the case,
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  Speaker 1: considering that this family has been torn apart for over
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  Speaker 1: three years, despite a full investigation that cleared mister and
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  Speaker 1: missus Sampson of any abuse, and the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: social services certified their capacity and fitness for parenting after
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  Speaker 1: they successfully completed official training. That's Guillermo Morale's Sancho, legal
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  Speaker 1: counsel for ADF international, families should be free to live
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  Speaker 1: according to their convictions and without fear of losing their
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  Speaker 1: kids to the state. Sweden's Social services is not responding
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  Speaker 1: to Fox News' requests for comment. The European Court of
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  Speaker 1: Human Rights told Fox News Digital it considers cases on
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  Speaker 1: a case by case basis and does not provide comment
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  Speaker 1: on general events or matters. The court also said in
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  Speaker 1: a single, single judge declared the case in admissible according
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  Speaker 1: to its guidelines. Friends, the daughter told the teacher that
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  Speaker 1: her parents were mean to her because she would They
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't buy her a smartphone and let her wear lipstick.
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  Speaker 1: God's Design is the left's worst nightmare, and going against
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