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  Speaker 1: In the autumn of twenty thirteen, a young mother and
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  Speaker 1: her two children went missing from their home in Deltona, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old Jaccinia's last contact had been a
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  Speaker 1: phone call around twelve a m. The night before she vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Her children did not arrive for school the next day.
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  Speaker 1: Suspicions immediately turned to the most likely suspect, the husband,
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  Speaker 1: who turned up unseene, claiming to have no idea what
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  Speaker 1: had happened to his family. As evidence mounted against him,
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  Speaker 1: he began to tell an unlikely story. Would anybody believe him?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 1: There, I'm Kevin and welcome to Just Thought Lounge. Today's
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  Speaker 1: case has us diving into new territory for JTL, the
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  Speaker 1: messy world of street gangs, their bizarre moral code, and
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  Speaker 1: what it meant for one family who all vanished one
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  Speaker 1: horrible night in October twenty thirteen. Let's take a look.
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  Speaker 1: Jessinia Suarez met Louise Toledo at a street festival in
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  Speaker 1: Orange County in two thousand and nine. They fell for
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  Speaker 1: each other quickly and married only months later. Though they
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  Speaker 1: made an unlikely couple, jesse was twenty four years old,
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  Speaker 1: a dedicated mother to two young children, goal oriented and
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  Speaker 1: career minded. Jesse was a busy working single mother. Over
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  Speaker 1: the next few years, she also returned to school, taking
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  Speaker 1: classes part time around a full time office job. She
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  Speaker 1: worked at American Canine in Lake Mary, a company that
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  Speaker 1: provides dogs to the military and police. Louise was a
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  Speaker 1: few years old but only beginning to sort out his life.
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  Speaker 1: He had served roughly a year in state prison on
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  Speaker 1: a burglary charge and had been associated with the Latin Kings,
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  Speaker 1: known at the time as semi to the gang because
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  Speaker 1: he punched like a truck. Louise Toledo was also interested
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  Speaker 1: in mixed martial arts. At one point, Louise was reportedly
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  Speaker 1: the third highest ranking member in Florida. That is until
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  Speaker 1: he served his time and decided to turn on his
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  Speaker 1: former associates and his former life. He cooperated with the
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  Speaker 1: state and testified in a racketeering case against other gang members,
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  Speaker 1: and then he refocused his efforts on building a new life.
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  Speaker 1: Louise began taking courses at community college to become a barber.
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  Speaker 1: He was baptized and joined the church. He socialized with neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: even carpooling to class every day with a younger student
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  Speaker 1: across the street. Louise also became came a dad to
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  Speaker 1: Jessinia's two children, nine year old to Lea Otto an
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  Speaker 1: eight year old Michael Elijah Otto. Neighbors recounted the site
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  Speaker 1: of Louise playing with the children on the front yard
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  Speaker 1: was a regular occurrence. Felicita Nievez Perez spoke with her
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  Speaker 1: daughter Jessinia every morning. She and her husband, Jesse's stepfather,
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  Speaker 1: Reuben Perez, lived only a few blocks away from Jesse's
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  Speaker 1: house on Covent Garden's Place. Around eight am on October
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  Speaker 1: twenty three, Felicita called her daughter's cell phone and received
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  Speaker 1: no answer. Over the next two hours, additional calls and
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  Speaker 1: texts went unanswered. Felicita received no response from Louise either.
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  Speaker 1: By ten am that morning, the mother was deeply concerned,
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  Speaker 1: so she drove over to her daughter's house. No one
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  Speaker 1: answered the front door. Felicita called the police.
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  Speaker 3: Had I have got my daughters last night.
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  Speaker 4: I don't feel what I told last night.
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  Speaker 5: And you think maybe she's endangered by her husband?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Man.
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  Speaker 1: The Vluja County Police had learned of an incident at
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  Speaker 1: Jacinia's workplace the day before. Investigators learned that the marriage
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  Speaker 1: hit a rough patch, at least in part because Jasinia
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  Speaker 1: felt that Louise was neglecting his duties at home he
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  Speaker 1: spent too much time playing video games. As the marriage soured,
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  Speaker 1: Jacinia began an affair with a married coworker at American
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  Speaker 1: Canine Solutions, a man named Kevin Dreddin. Louise grew suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: He placed a spy device and some form of tracker
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  Speaker 1: on her phone, and he discovered the affair. On October
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  Speaker 1: twenty second, Louise arrived uninvited at the American Canine office
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  Speaker 1: building and caused a scene. A colleague had called nine
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  Speaker 1: to one one during the encounter.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I was wondering if I could have a police
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  Speaker 7: thought that they come to an office building. We have
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  Speaker 7: somebody in a building that will not leave, and he's
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  Speaker 7: got an employee friend to believe yet. Yeah, we had
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  Speaker 7: what the air.
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  Speaker 1: When he turned up at the office building, he confronted
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  Speaker 1: Jacinia and sought out Kevin, job, I do.
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  Speaker 8: Go ahead and go a company kicking you whole around,
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  Speaker 8: or it got through.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not permit you to show it, you boppy.
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  Speaker 9: I got to let me do him.
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  Speaker 1: Louise eventually left the building of his own accord. Before
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  Speaker 1: police arrived, Jescinia spoke with officers. She was recorded to
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  Speaker 1: telling them about Louise's controlling behavior. He had even slapped
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  Speaker 1: her in her office building in front of her colleagues.
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  Speaker 4: Either on my home to see everything that I do
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  Speaker 4: for him, but I could from health and.
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  Speaker 10: Profession, looking to you plainly that no relationship works one.
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  Speaker 1: Of my co workers, and get me here, right here. Literally,
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  Speaker 1: he's like me, oh my god. Felicita had overheard an
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  Speaker 1: argument between her daughter and her son in law the
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  Speaker 1: night before. After the incident at Jesse's office, the couple
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  Speaker 1: had decided that they were getting a divorce. Jesse and
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  Speaker 1: Louise were with the children at their grandparents' home having dinner.
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  Speaker 1: As the children ate inside, the couple discussed logistics in
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  Speaker 1: the garage. Not surprisingly, the conversation turned heated at points.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Emotions were running high. As the evening wore on, Felicita
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  Speaker 1: asked her daughter to stay at her house with the
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  Speaker 1: children overnight to let Louise go home alone. Jessinia refused.
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  Speaker 1: She believed that it was better that they talked things
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  Speaker 1: through and that she and Louise handle the split amicably.
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  Speaker 1: She said goodbye to her mother and took the children
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  Speaker 1: home with her. It was the last time that Felicita
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  Speaker 1: would see her daughter or grandchildren alive. Louise Toledo arrived
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  Speaker 1: at the house while the Volucia County Police were performing
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  Speaker 1: the welfare checks.
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  Speaker 3: Flito came unsecene and started talking with debuties and causing
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a disturbance.
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  Speaker 1: Louise told officers that it appeared that his wife had
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  Speaker 1: left with the children in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: At first, investigators considered this scenario. It was not inconceivable
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  Speaker 1: that Jessinia had packed up and left the man that
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  Speaker 1: she had already decided to divorce, though it did not
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  Speaker 1: explain why she had not spoken with her mother, stepfather,
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  Speaker 1: or sister, who were all growing extremely concerned. Jesse's twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirteen Honda Accord was missing from the garage, along with
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  Speaker 1: her purse and cell phone. Inside, officers found the house
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  Speaker 1: was in near perfect order. It was clean, almost too clean.
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  Speaker 1: Fresh laundry sat out ready for folding, and the children's
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  Speaker 1: toys were scattered on the floors, but nothing was a miss.
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  Speaker 1: There was no signs of a break in, distress or
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  Speaker 1: a struggle. The most unsettling observation made by officers was
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  Speaker 1: the smell the distinct ascent of pineesal, a popular floor cleaner.
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  Speaker 1: Down the hallway towards the bedroom and master bathroom. They
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  Speaker 1: smelt bleach and possibly vinegar, all mingled together in the air.
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  Speaker 1: It was a nauseating mixture that immediately set off alarm bells.
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  Speaker 11: It's killing us, it's killing everybody. We don't want to
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  Speaker 11: even think about it anywhere, you know, we don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to think what happened.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Is Two neighbors, sisters who lived next door, told the
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  Speaker 1: police on the scene that they have been awake late
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  Speaker 1: into the night when they heard a noise coming from outside.
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  Speaker 1: They could make out screams from the direction of the
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  Speaker 1: Suarez Toledo home and a voice calling out more than once.
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  Speaker 1: He me the girls thought that this had occurred sometime
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  Speaker 1: around midnight. There were often groups of teenagers messing around
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood after dark. Until the girl saw the
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  Speaker 1: police on the street the next morning, they had dismissed
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  Speaker 1: what they had heard the previous night as nothing more
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  Speaker 1: than these local youths playing around in light of the
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  Speaker 1: incident at the office the day before, law enforcement was
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: able to arrest Louise and bring him in for questioning.
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  Speaker 1: Louise told detectives that he was awake at the house
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  Speaker 1: the evening before until about one am. At that time,
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  Speaker 1: he had walked out to the street, spoke with a neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: and then chose to go sleep in his car. Jescinia
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  Speaker 1: and the children were asleep in the house. He awoke
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  Speaker 1: at roughly eight am and went back inside to find
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  Speaker 1: that Jesse and the children had left in the night.
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  Speaker 12: You will go.
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  Speaker 5: You went to the house and you left.
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  Speaker 10: How long were you therefore, thankfully reached its So you
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  Speaker 10: walk into the house front door, right, You walked around
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  Speaker 10: and you didn't see him. You got to the bedrooms, right,
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  Speaker 10: you didn't see if the bedrooms.
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  Speaker 11: Checking out cars dog.
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  Speaker 10: We started looking for her phone on your phone from
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  Speaker 10: the house phone to that house.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, just if I miss anything, you let me down.
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  Speaker 10: You set up that out here, so you change or
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  Speaker 10: you get closed.
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  Speaker 11: You take a shower at the master bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Louise questioned whether Jina and the children were even missing.
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  Speaker 1: It had only been a few hours.
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  Speaker 13: So she's with her mom.
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  Speaker 11: Why was she missing her nothing.
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  Speaker 13: Mom. That's the thing is you know, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 13: I think that she is insight because you guys stayed
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  Speaker 13: with him out.
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  Speaker 12: Sure.
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  Speaker 13: Sorry, so my wife was not the type of everybody
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  Speaker 13: every move you know she well.
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  Speaker 1: Questioning continued. Investigators were in contact with officers at the
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  Speaker 1: house who continued to speak with neighbors. The two young
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  Speaker 1: girls who overheard screaming in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: were not the only witnesses who came forward. A college
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  Speaker 1: student who lived with his mother across the street, Tyshan Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: came forward as well, albeit reluctantly. Taishan had a stressful morning.
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  Speaker 1: The community college student told police that it began at
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  Speaker 1: six a m. When Louise Toledo knocked on his door
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  Speaker 1: and asked him for a favor. Could he get into
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  Speaker 1: his car and follow Louise about a half an hour
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  Speaker 1: south to Lake Mary. It seems that Louise needed to
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  Speaker 1: drop off his wife's car, the Honda Accord, and then
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  Speaker 1: get a lift home. Ti threw on his sandals and
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  Speaker 1: grabbed his car keys, expecting to follow Louise to a
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  Speaker 1: mechanics shop or someplace similar. Maybe the Honda needed a
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  Speaker 1: break job. He thought, but that was not in fact
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  Speaker 1: what he was about to witness. Taishan was as to
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  Speaker 1: recount his story to detectives at the station. He spoke
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  Speaker 1: with them for hours. He said that he followed Louise,
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  Speaker 1: who drove the Honda Accord for about twenty to thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: When they reached a large parking lot at the Public's supermarket,
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  Speaker 1: Louise parked the Honda ty then watched as his neighbor
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  Speaker 1: got out of the vehicle and systematically and thoroughly took
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  Speaker 1: a spray cleaner and a rag to wipe down the car.
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  Speaker 1: He cleaned the door, the door jam, and all the handles.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly happened as soon as you pull out.
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  Speaker 13: What do you see?
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  Speaker 4: I see Lewis standing outside like he's about a door,
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  Speaker 4: and he looked back at me the like he looked
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  Speaker 4: back and started cleaning the car down, wiping it out
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  Speaker 4: as soon as.
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  Speaker 12: He was like cleaning the car.
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  Speaker 1: So I had a film.
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  Speaker 12: I saw bad happened the house last night.
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  Speaker 1: Louise instructed Tie to move into the passenger seat of
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  Speaker 1: his car so that he could drive them back to Deltona.
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  Speaker 1: On the ride back, the two men were silent. The
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  Speaker 1: tension in the car was palpable as Tye tried to
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  Speaker 1: sort out what exactly he had just witnessed, and things
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  Speaker 1: only grew more unsettling for the college student when Louise
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  Speaker 1: pulled into the parking lot of an apartment building, stopped
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  Speaker 1: the car and began disposing of items he had carried
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  Speaker 1: with him in a plastic bag. This included the spray
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  Speaker 1: cleaner and rag used to clean his wife's car, as
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  Speaker 1: well as one of the floor mats. Ty was dropped
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  Speaker 1: off around the corner from his house near to a
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  Speaker 1: seven eleven. He walked into the store and purchased a
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  Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes. Stressed and confused, he told officers that
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: before going home, he smoked several of them. Then he
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: tried to call his mother at work repeatedly to ask
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  Speaker 1: her what he should do next. In another interrogation room,
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  Speaker 1: Louise was being pressured to explain what Tyshon had just
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  Speaker 1: offered if his story could be verified. Everything Louise had
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: said about his missing wife and children so far was
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: a platant lie. I'm sure whether she and the kids
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: were still alive, they were running out of time.
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  Speaker 11: Do you have anything to do whether disappears?
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  Speaker 14: No know nothing whatsoever. No, Okay, if information of information
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  Speaker 14: that's ingest that you may have, Okay, that's suppossible.
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  Speaker 11: It's impossible.
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  Speaker 12: I supposize that.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, regardless of what happens, it is what it is
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  Speaker 11: out right.
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  Speaker 2: I may abjected right now to find out where they are,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: where they're see or not.
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  Speaker 13: It's still and I know what's happened and exactly that's
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  Speaker 13: what you happen, and that's what happened between the air
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  Speaker 13: and that's how it's been since you know last thing.
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  Speaker 13: There's nothing you leave it out that night, seriously, a
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  Speaker 13: better interaction. There's nothing that I can think.
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  Speaker 1: Of admitting nothing. Louise was confronted with what Tyshawn had
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  Speaker 1: told investigators one room over, Ryan.
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  Speaker 10: I followed and got the car.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's your day.
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  Speaker 2: This person has no reason to eye to us. It
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: was one of a favor to you. Containing there's what
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  Speaker 2: he was expressed to us. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 11: And that person really would have no reason why.
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  Speaker 10: Us about it.
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  Speaker 5: And you can go through house things to see if
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  Speaker 5: any other possessions or in his possession.
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  Speaker 12: Things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Tie led detectives to the public's parking lot, where they
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: located Jenya's Honda Accord. Inside they found Jennya's purse for
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  Speaker 1: ID and wallet, as well as her badge for work.
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  Speaker 1: Her cell phone had fallen in between the front seat
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: and the console. There was no sign of her or
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  Speaker 1: the children. The car was later processed for DNA, blood
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  Speaker 1: or fingerprints, but returned nothing of value. They found only
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a garage door opener that still had a fingerprint on
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  Speaker 1: it that was from Louise Toledo. In the dumpsters where
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Tie claimed Louise had disposed of multiple items, police uncovered clothing,
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  Speaker 1: children's toys, a barber's apron, the trunk liner from Jessenya's car,
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  Speaker 1: as well as a dirty boot. A small but clearly
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: visible speck of blood was found on the discarded boot.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Traces of blood were also found on the floor mat,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: which had been taken from Gusena's car. As predicted. Forensic
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  Speaker 1: teams in the house found that targeted areas had been
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: cleaned thoroughly. In the garbage bin outside of the home,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: an officer found a trash bag smelling of vinegar and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: containing multiple empty bottles of cleaner, as well as a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: very wet shower curtain. Detectives also uncovered a collection of
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: news paper articles in the house discussing recent activities of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the Latin Kings, Louise's former organization. It seems that he
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: had left the life, but his interest in the gang remained.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Despite the cleaning efforts, there was one area that had
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: been missed. In the bathroom just off of the master bedroom.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Twenty three traces of blood were identified. They were spattered
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: across the closet door, the doorframe to the bathroom, the bathtub,
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  Speaker 1: and floor. Fourteen of these samples returned the same match
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to nine year old to Leah. Her mother and little
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: brother's blood was not found anywhere in the house.
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  Speaker 3: Based on our investigative findings, the Luskunty Sheriff's Office's Major
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  Speaker 3: Case Unit has discovered that the missing mother from Deltona
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  Speaker 3: and her two children are deceased. The search for the
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: victims' bodies and the investigation into what happened is ongoing.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Because the ongoing nature of this, there's not really much
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: else that I can tell you. There's not many other
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: investigative details that I can reveal.
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  Speaker 15: An eight year old and a nine year old castes
• 18:11
  Speaker 15: someone for them to kill them.
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  Speaker 14: There's no words for that.
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  Speaker 1: A massive search effort was launched to locate Jessenia, te
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Leah and Michael.
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  Speaker 15: We are going to take and stay with this till
• 18:26
  Speaker 15: we've searched everything that we think we can possibly search.
• 18:30
  Speaker 15: I'm starting once again back at the center, back at
• 18:33
  Speaker 15: the house, and from there we're going to start expanding out.
• 18:36
  Speaker 15: We've set it up in the search and every.
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  Speaker 11: Point to time my brind hits my daughter, I can.
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  Speaker 10: Put closer to this.
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  Speaker 11: You can't sit home, No I can't, No way I'm
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: going to sit at home.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Two days had passed since the family went missing, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Louise was still refusing to admit any responsibility. Then, during
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: his third interview, under pressure from the increasing evidence stacking
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: up against him, Louise broke down. He began to offer
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a confession, or at least parts of one. He claimed
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: that on the night of October twenty second, Tyshawn Jackson
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: had come over to his house to play with his PlayStation.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Jesseennia hated it when he played video games, he said,
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  Speaker 1: Having already argued earlier in the day and a divorce
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: on the horizon, this small irritation sparked an argument that
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: quickly went from heated to explosive going.
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  Speaker 4: Off on me.
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  Speaker 16: Wouldever, She told that she want anybody at least want
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  Speaker 16: me get at the house.
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  Speaker 8: I told her I didn't have to go.
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  Speaker 12: She came in grab.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, she grabbed me for the beat, grabbing me get
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: it open. She fell out on the floor the deck,
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: looking at him.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: He couldn't bring Louise Toledo was trained in martial arts.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mimicking a chopping action. He said a single strike had
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: been the fatal blow. He did this in response to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: her attacking him. On the crucial question of what happened
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to the children, Louise would admit to nothing. It was Tyshawn,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he said, who saw them as potential witnesses to what
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: had just happened to their mother. Jessennia's death would be
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: interpreted as murder, and simply being present would implicate him.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It was a risk that the college student was unwilling
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to take.
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  Speaker 13: He came back up and he asked me when she
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: was dead.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: I said yeah, he went back to the.
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: Bath for her.
• 20:45
  Speaker 16: Blah blah blah. Say, oh the gods, I saw you
• 20:48
  Speaker 16: killed my can bom sweets at the show. We put
• 20:53
  Speaker 16: him in a car and it chuck. I helped him,
• 20:55
  Speaker 16: carried them.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Hey left me.
• 20:58
  Speaker 14: I started cleaning everything up.
• 21:01
  Speaker 13: No way he do it, though, I don't know.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: I don't know where he at.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Louise maintained that the bodies of his family were driven
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: from the house by ty Jackson and hidden somewhere. He
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: had no idea where they were. Over hours of intense
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: interrogation by the Vlujah County police, he never wavered from
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this assertion. The only hope of finding Jessenia and the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: children was with Louise or perhaps his alleged accomplice, Ty Jackson.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And he put you as a primary person responsible for
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: some of their deaths.
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: Not all of them, but some of them.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: He did not put me in no promenenty straight like that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: He didn't.
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: Why would I?
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: Why would Why would I.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Not have anything to do in death us. I did
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: not leave my house Wednesday night at all. Zero left
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: my house Thursday morning.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Tishan was not placed under arrest. His assistance in locating
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the Honda accord and the numerous items disposed of in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the local dumpsters convinced a law enforcement that he was
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: telling the truth. Though he had hesitated to come forward
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that morning, Ty said that he was frightened of what
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: his former friend would do to him if he was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: spotted speaking with police at the house, but once he
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: began talking, his story lined up. He told the police
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that on the car ride back to Deltona that morning,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Louise had spoken to him only once. He turned to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Tie and simply stated, I.
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: Snapped talking like you and I right now, Orday, he's
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: like an elevator or quiet.
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: What was like?
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: It was?
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: It was kind of like like Knda Kolumn almost kind
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: of Conda scared me the way might lived at me
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: and said.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Searches continued in the woodland areas surrounding Deltona. Volunteer organizations
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: from out of state descended upon the region to offer
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: further assistance, but they kept coming up empty. Every item
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that could possibly have been linked to the massacre was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: bagged and tested. A still wearable pair of children's shoes
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in a park, trash can, an abandoned jacket in the woods.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: None of these items were found to have any value
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to the investigation.
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: Toledo could tell us where they're at and we wouldn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 15: have to worry about this.
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: We could take and bring.
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: Closure to this and make sure the families know where
• 23:28
  Speaker 15: their loved ones are.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: For weeks following the disappearance, ground searches took place across
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: three counties. Retention ponds within a mile of the Suarez
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Toledo house were combed, and a local landfill was picked
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: through for any evidence that had not been located in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the dumpsters. There was a concern that without locating the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: bodies of the family, the state would be unable to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: bring murder charges, or that prosecutors may have problems getting
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a conviction. But they had the blood in the bathroom,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a partial care confession, the dumpster items, and Louise's explosive
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: behavior in the office over his wife's affair gave a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: clear motive.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: It is possible to prosecute someone without a physical body
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of a victim.
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: It's very rare, but it has been done.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Louise Toledo faced first and second degree murder charges for
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the killing of his wife and two children. He faced
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a possible death sentence if convicted. Ann Wedge McMillan was
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor with whom Louise Toledo cooperated in the racketeering
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: case against a leader of the Latin Kings in Florida.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Jose Perez, also known as King goofy years earlier, the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: attorney spoke with Louise again following his murder arrest. He
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: had agreed to talk to her once, perhaps he would again.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Did he talk about cleaning the house?
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: He did talk about cleaning the house.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He talked about cleaning his house after his family's debt. Yes,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: but Toledo didn't tell her where the bodies are and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Wedge McMillan thinks it's possible he legitimately doesn't know.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: I think the reason he doesn't know is that he
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: probably got someone else involved so that he would have
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: plausible deniability.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: In his gangster days, Louise was known as King at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Semi and reportedly also a high ranking member of the gang.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: According to McMillan, he was considered the warlord or enforcer.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: His knowledge of how to clean a crime scene, how
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: to dispose of evidence, how to dispose of bodies, he
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: was the expert at that he was in certain circumstances.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: The hierarchy of the King's will sanction a murder they
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: solely on disrespect, but.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The gang does not sanction the killing of children. For
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this reason, McMillan suggested Louise needed to point the finger
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: at somebody else. At trial, the prosecution argued that Louise
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: had been motivated by a jealous rage. They called Jissenya's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: co worker with whom she had a brief affair to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: establish motive. Kevin Dreddin was also the last person aside
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: from her husband to speak with her before she died.
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: Did you and Josinas for spend additional time together away
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: from the other employees?
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: We do okay?
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: During that time? Did you have an affair with Josinas
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: Wars I didn't. Do you regret doing that?
• 26:27
  Speaker 13: I do.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin and Jessenia had plans to meet on the afternoon
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of October twenty second, the day before she died. Kevin
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: canceled those plans last minute. That night, after a series
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of strange texts from Jossenia's phone, he finally spoke with
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: her directly. She sounded strange. Her speech was slurred. She
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was scared.
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: That's response. Were you satisfied that everything was okay in
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: her world? No, Fred was Jaceinya's This was his speech slurred?
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: That evening it was okay? Was it a difficult conversation?
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: It was Okay, how does she seem to you? Was
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: she happy? Was she upset? Was she sad? She didn't seem.
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: Well, she wasn't happy.
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: She was.
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: Very soft in her words and very severely slurred in
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: her speech.
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: Did she seem to want to stay in her home
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: that evening?
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: Were you concerned for her safety staying there?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I was?
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: I mean, I was law enforcement, and the first thing
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: he tell you to do is separate for any domestic
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: violence and on totally think.
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: About the kids.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Louise's defense focused on the possibility that Tyshawn Jackson was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: responsible for the murders of Tala and Michael. Investigators had
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: given him a polygraph test. They searched his house and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: his car for anything linking him to the crime scene.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Nothing incriminating was uncovered. When Ty took the stand, he
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: explained why he had initially refused to speak with law
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: enforcement on the morning of the disappearance. He was frightened
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of Louise Toledo. He told the jury about what he
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: had witnessed that morning. Describe his behavior for us.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: He didn't he looked out the norm. He was just
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: like kind of frantic almost. I want to say, what
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: was he doing? And he was driving like looking around,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: like just looking at every word is kind of like
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: walking back and forth. I don't like he was driving
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: like looking back before and looking like like he's like
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: looking for something. Was he speaking to you? He didn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: speak much to me, but he said one thing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: Really what did he say?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: He said?
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: He snapped when he said that to you? How did
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: he say it?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Just like I don't I'm sorry, I can't really explain it,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: like like something happened or something like that, like yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: to go, like he had bought up emotion inside him
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: something like that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: You know, was he looking?
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: Where was he looking?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: At that point? He was looking at me?
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: Did you ask him what he meant?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: No?
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: No, sir, why I didn't want further details. I kind
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: of seeing what happened earlier, and like in him saying
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: that kind of put two and two together. Something wrong happened,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: And honest, I was just I wanted to get home.
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: You like the kids, they're nice kids. Do you feel
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: close to him?
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: Yes?
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: Do you have anything to do with their death?
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: No.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Kurt Chops, who questioned Louise for days after the disappearance,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: told the jury that Louise had in fact implied that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: he knew where the bodies of his family had been hidden.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: On the last day of his questioning, Louise repeatedly requested
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: trips to the station's bathroom, which was directly across the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: hallway from the interview room where he was being questioned.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: On the second trip, the sergeant stood near to the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: doorway speaking with his detainee. According to the sergeant, his
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: mobile recording device slipped into his pocket by a request
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of Louise, lost a battery and stopped recording. The former
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: gang member then asked him for a favor.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: He asked me in a pleading voice, that he wanted
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: to go home, asked me to take him home. Okay,
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: did you say, did you ask him why he wanted
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: to go home? I did, And he went into how
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: he just wanted to die. He wanted to die where
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: his family died.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: And can did he did?
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: He get explicit with you on sort of how this
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: is going to go down at his house?
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: Why?
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: Why?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, how was he going to die at his house?
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: Yes, he initiated that I can, I can shoot him,
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: we can take him back to the house.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: I can loosen his cuffs and myself.
• 31:05
  Speaker 17: Or another deputy right could shoot him as he's trying
• 31:08
  Speaker 17: to escape, or he can grab a knife and try
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: to escape. Tell me where the bodies were first, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 17: then he replied immediately that he's never going to tell
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: me where the bodies are.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: So the defendant said, I'm never going to tell you
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: where the bodies are. That's correct.
• 31:26
  Speaker 17: Right after my first statement on just telling us where
• 31:28
  Speaker 17: the bodies are first, he responded with I'm never going
• 31:31
  Speaker 17: to tell where the bodies are. And then he became aggressive,
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: and that's when I called an investigator board up and
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: we concluded me the interviewed there, okay.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: After some time back in the original interview room, Louise
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: again requested to use the bathroom for a third time
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that session. The sergeant took Louise across the hall. This time,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Louise had hatched yet another plan. He managed to surprise
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the officers by pushing the door, which opened inwards closed.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: From inside the bathroom, the sergeant heard a noise similar
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to shattering glass. Louise had smashed the mirror that had
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: hung above the sink. He used the pieces to cut
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: himself on the arm.
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: And what did you find once you were able to
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: make entry into the basket. Well, we were able to
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: actually we weren't able to open a door at that time.
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: We were able to put a hole in the door.
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: We were able to taste him through the door, at
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: which time it allowed us to push the door open
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: and we were able to drank him out okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Louise was treated in the hospital for non life threatening injuries.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: The prosecution argued that Jasnia's affair had given Louise a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: justification in his mind to lose his temper and kill her,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: but he would not admit to killing his children because
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: there could never be a justification for that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: So the plan at that point was to deny what
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: he could not knit.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: If he admitted killing the children, that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: Was the endgame.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: He had to find someone else to blame for their murder,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and that's where Tashawn Jackson comes in.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: The jury found Louise Toledo guilty of two counts of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: first degree murder for the deaths of Tealia and Michael Otto.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He was convicted of second degree murder for the death
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of Jessinia. In the sentencing phase of his trial, the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: murderer's attorneys bought to keep their client off of death row,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: though He had initially requested to waive the mitigation phase,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: hoping for a death sentence. During the trial, Louise's cooperation
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: with the state to bring down King at Goofy and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: other members of the Latin Kings was highly publicized. At
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: his sentencing, Louise stated that a one sided story, saying
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that I testified against the head Latin King and that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: alone right there basically put a hunt on my head.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: If he was sentenced to life on death row, Louise
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: would have been afforded greater protection. Death row inmates each
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: have their own cell and are escorted in handcuffs when
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: moving around without exception anywhere outside of their cells. The
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: inmates are kept at a distance from each other if
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: more than one is out of his cell at a time. Second,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Louise stated, I've been convicted of a crime against children,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: so Latin Kings don't sanction that, and I have been
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: convicted of a crime against a woman and they don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: sanction that either. He felt that he would be safer
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: on death row and regardless of whether the jury spared
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: his life, he was being handed a death sentence. His
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: final statement at the hearing made this clear, if I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: touch any institution. I'm a dead man walking the minute
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I hit that compound. Two of the twelve jurors hearing
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the case determined that Louise Toledo should not be put
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to death.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: Did yours were asked and if you weren't remorseful about
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: the Gillies by about wealth to zero? They said not
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: not even the two people wanted to stare your life
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: abound any remorse in your actions or your savings. I'm
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: totally concurred to find I don't believe you're remorse and
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: as such, you will receive no mercy from the floor.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He was instead handed down three life sentences without the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: He knows how the prison system works, and you'll get
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: what's coming to whether it's here on earth, it comes up.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just happy with the decision, happy with the judge,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: and I'm happy I don't have to see this man.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I believe you.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: As of April twenty twenty four, Louis Toledo's prison record
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: is active. He is currently serving three concurrent life sentences
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in the general prison population. Louise Toledo has stuck to
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: his story. He insists that he is not responsible for
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the deaths of Talia and Michael and he has no
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: idea where his family is. That was the tragic case
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of Jasnya Suarez, Talia and Michael Otto and the former
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: gang enforcer Louise Toledo. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
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• 36:45
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• 36:48
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• 36:50
  Speaker 18: Deep but these stories can't Hi, let me find my seat, Kevin,
• 36:53
  Speaker 18: go ahead to settle in gott it be selective, doing
• 36:56
  Speaker 18: all the research, keeping it objective, always being effective to
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: say he got in. Next pick it up letter, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 18: see how Newton got its back. Yeah, the content that
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: you need this cook be a new sign. Talking in
• 37:05
  Speaker 18: the comments that got in the few lines tuned in
• 37:08
  Speaker 18: and had like loved that.
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: It's tucon.
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: It was like the whole world is online for true crime.
• 37:12
  Speaker 18: Watch him on the run, but it's not a race.
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: Really hard to disappear proof without embrace sure lock homes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: Wait then I'll put you
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: In your place.