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  Speaker 2: This is the best of Stugatz and Company live on
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  Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.
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  Speaker 1: I have kicked Taylor and Mikey A out of the
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  Speaker 1: studios here for an hour.
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  Speaker 3: Because I want alone time with Israel Gutierrez.
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  Speaker 4: Are we still doing radio in this hour?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing radio.
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  Speaker 1: I kicked them out. They'll be back for hour number two.
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  Speaker 1: They have some work to do.
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  Speaker 3: They have some editing to do. And I wanted alone
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  Speaker 3: time with Israel Gutierrez. 877-99 on Fox. Just me and
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  Speaker 3: Izzy here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll speak to Dan Beyer here in a second about
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  Speaker 1: his Seahawks. But just me and Izzy here for the
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  Speaker 1: next hour. We will take your phone calls, 877-99 on Fox.
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  Speaker 1: Bear is going to join us to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: expanded college football playoff. And Matt Viscursion, lifelong Brewers fan,
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  Speaker 1: is going to join us as well. Both of those
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  Speaker 1: guys will join us in hour number two. Izzy hands
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  Speaker 1: me a piece of paper when he comes in that
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  Speaker 1: has his topics on it, things he's interested in talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't really get past the first one because
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  Speaker 1: it simply says Bo Nix sucks.
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  Speaker 3: That was what got you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm afraid to go down the list because I
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  Speaker 1: took a glance and there's someone else who sucks, but
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  Speaker 1: I like that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Well, maybe we'll stay away from that one.
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  Speaker 3: If necessary. Maybe we'll get there.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What a weird game last night. A bad game. The
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  Speaker 1: Broncos win. They win it in overtime. They go to
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  Speaker 1: four and two. They have beaten Jacksonville. They have beaten Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: They have beaten the Rams with a really bad quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: It was such an interesting game.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, it's one of those low-scoring games that,
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  Speaker 4: to me, for some reason, was interesting. And maybe it
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  Speaker 4: was just because I'm sort of analyzing what's going on
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  Speaker 4: between the two quarterbacks because even though he's won the
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, I'm not convinced Sam Darnold doesn't suck also.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of our poll questions today when we did
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  Speaker 1: the pods earlier. Is Sam Darnold good?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean....
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who was more off the hook yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: Bo Nix or Sam Darnold. Actually, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: going to be Bo Nix. I was just trying to
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  Speaker 4: think of bailout jokes for Bo Nix because he won
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  Speaker 4: the game and Sam Darnold was terrible, even more terrible.
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  Speaker 4: But no, after Fitzy, Fitzmagic, went off on him in
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  Speaker 4: the postgame, Bo Nix became the story. And Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's talked about not competing. I don't know about not competing.
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  Speaker 4: He just doesn't seem like he has any confidence to
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  Speaker 4: do anything down the field. And I wonder how much
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  Speaker 4: of that has to do with when Sean Payton installs
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  Speaker 4: a game plan, especially since he's the play caller now
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  Speaker 4: for the past few weeks. If you're installing a game
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  Speaker 4: plan that tells your quarterback, hey, you're probably better off
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  Speaker 4: just throwing this right at the line of scrimmage or
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  Speaker 4: behind the line of scrimmage or when it's got nothing
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  Speaker 4: but screen passes on it, even though the defense knows
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  Speaker 4: you're going to be a heavy screen pass team when
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  Speaker 4: you're playing against Sean Payton, when you are doing that,
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  Speaker 4: when you're seeing that in practice all week, does that
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  Speaker 4: sort of make you lose confidence as a quarterback when
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  Speaker 4: you're out there?
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because Sean Payton is one of the
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  Speaker 1: coaches where you would say quarterbacks want to play for
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  Speaker 1: that coach. He is going to teach you how to
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  Speaker 1: be an NFL quarterback and a good NFL quarterback, but
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  Speaker 1: This is a different Bo Nix this year.
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  Speaker 3: He is not confident. There is trepidation. It seems like.
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  Speaker 3: for him to throw the ball.
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  Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to do it because he lacks
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  Speaker 1: confidence in himself to do it. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's a product of Sean Payton being very, very
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  Speaker 1: hard on him. I have no idea. They're 4-2 without
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  Speaker 1: Bo Nix playing well, and maybe Sean Payton is seeing
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  Speaker 1: something that we're perhaps not seeing because he sees them
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  Speaker 1: every day in practice. Hey, this guy is limited, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the way I have to win games with
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  Speaker 1: this guy as my quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: I would say the actual language that's being used there is, hey,
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  Speaker 4: our defense is great. Right.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not lose the game.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: For our because our defense is going to help us
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  Speaker 4: win this game. They're going to be dominant all season long.
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  Speaker 4: They were without Patrick Sertan yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: They still looked amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And so that's probably the language. And Bo Nix is
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  Speaker 4: just like, well, I'm only doing what you asked me
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  Speaker 4: to do. I didn't throw any interceptions. I just didn't
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  Speaker 4: complete a whole lot of long passes.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's been really ugly. And the defense has been great.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at the wins I laid out, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: is a team that everyone loves and thinks they can
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  Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. The Rams before the season
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  Speaker 1: was everyone's favorite to make it to the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, and they beat the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: champions as well. Jacksonville, the Rams, and Seattle. But the
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  Speaker 1: defense was the reason they won all three of those games.
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  Speaker 1: The defense has been amazing. It reminds me of that
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  Speaker 1: Giants team, I think in 91. That had a great defense.
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  Speaker 1: They lost Phil Sims. Jeff Hostetler came in.
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  Speaker 3: He was limited.
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  Speaker 1: And they won by running the football and playing defense.
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  Speaker 1: And Hostetler didn't have to do that much.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was in seventh grade. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how well I remember the details of that team.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how I remember.
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  Speaker 5: But it is funny, though, because I saw.
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  Speaker 4: And I never really listened to what they're saying, but
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  Speaker 4: I saw on first take in the background somewhere where
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  Speaker 4: I was today where the question was, is it fair
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  Speaker 4: to criticize Bo Nix after a win?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it's a terrible question.
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  Speaker 3: Of course it's fair.
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  Speaker 4: You can criticize anybody after a win. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: if you've got somebody to criticize, just do it. That's
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  Speaker 4: what all these shows are about.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They're winning despite Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the question should have been, was that
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  Speaker 4: criticism of Bo Nix, did it sort of overshadow what
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  Speaker 4: should have happened, which was, Criticism of the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: champion quarterback on the other side, Sam Darnold. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: not only did he, yes, he was feeling some pressure, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: from that Broncos defense. But when there was pressure in
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  Speaker 4: his face, when there was pressure anywhere around him, he
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  Speaker 4: was just not going to do anything with it.
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  Speaker 5: And then those two interceptions were just god-awful.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Like, absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The second one where he had Cooper Cup on a
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  Speaker 4: speed out on the right side for an easy first down,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was third and one. He just needed
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  Speaker 4: the one yard. Cooper Cup was wide open with a
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  Speaker 4: defender maybe three or four yards behind him. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: even look in that direction. Like, you got to know time, score, situation. Like,
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  Speaker 4: it's third and one. You're trying to drive down, win
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  Speaker 4: this game.
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  Speaker 3: Give it to Cooper Cup. Yes. The best thing on
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  Speaker 3: that field last night was the uniforms.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe that's why I love it so much.
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  Speaker 3: They popped off the screen. Sam Darnold. We'll get to
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  Speaker 3: Dan in a second. Dan is a big Seahawks fan.
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 1: The obvious difference is both those teams went to their
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  Speaker 1: championship games last year. Broncos to the AFC championship game.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle to the NFC championship game. I spent most of
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  Speaker 1: last evening asking myself how. But the difference with Darnold
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  Speaker 1: and Bo Nix, obviously Darnold won the Super Bowl. But
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  Speaker 1: the other big difference is we forget just how good
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  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold was against the Rams in the NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'd like to think Sam Darnold hasn't forgotten
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  Speaker 1: how to be great.
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  Speaker 3: He was great 10 months ago when they won a
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, you know?
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  Speaker 5: Well, and maybe this is it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he was just, and again, I don't remember a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the details of his path to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: You remember 1991. I can't remember last year.
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  Speaker 3: But I remember that NFC Championship game and just how
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  Speaker 3: good he was. He was flawless. He was nearly perfect,
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold. He was probably a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit more comfortable than he was yesterday because yesterday, late
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  Speaker 4: in that game, you could sort of see, even when
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  Speaker 4: he did have a decent pocket, he was just sort
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  Speaker 4: of rushing some decisions, including that last interception, which, all right,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going to say it.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't love what Herb Street had to say in that.
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  Speaker 4: He tried to blame the receiver for that interception, which is, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: if he's running a lazy route, don't throw him the
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  Speaker 4: ball and definitely don't underthrow him, like at least overthrow him,
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  Speaker 4: try to make him catch up to that. But that
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  Speaker 4: was a terribly thrown ball, and Herbie's trying to blame
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  Speaker 4: the wideout.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's a former quarterback defending other quarterbacks, and quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: will tell you all the time, hey, it's not always
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  Speaker 1: my fault.
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  Speaker 3: Guys are running the wrong routes. That wasn't one of them.
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  Speaker 5: That was not one of them.
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  Speaker 4: Because, hey, I told you, he had another wide-open guy
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  Speaker 4: to continue the drive on the right side. Second of all, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he still under-threw that. Even though the guy wasn't wide open,
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  Speaker 4: it's not like he threw into double coverage. It's not
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  Speaker 4: like the receiver cut the wrong direction. The route seemed
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  Speaker 4: to be the proper route, whether he was running it lazily,
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  Speaker 4: which I didn't even see that.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And he just kept harping on it. I was like, no, man,
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  Speaker 5: it's okay. You can criticize Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 5: He's having a bad game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the reason I didn't want to scroll down Izzy's
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  Speaker 1: list here is because right after it says Bo Nix sucks,
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  Speaker 1: the next one is Herbie sucks too. And he knows
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  Speaker 1: I like Kirk Herbstreit. He was just on the show
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  Speaker 1: with us. this past week. I'm friends with him. I
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  Speaker 1: love that guy. And now I'm going to find myself
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  Speaker 1: in some sort of deal where I'm going to spend
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  Speaker 1: my weekend apologizing.
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  Speaker 3: To Kirk Herbstreit. Let me back off of that a
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  Speaker 3: little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Say what you want to say. He had a bad game.
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  Speaker 3: He had a bad game. Probably.
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  Speaker 5: Probably doing too much.
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  Speaker 4: There was one moment where I thought Al Michaels was
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  Speaker 4: just going to yell Steve Martin if he was a
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  Speaker 4: fan of your previous show because after, I think there
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  Speaker 4: was a point where The Broncos threw the ball on
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  Speaker 4: third down, you know, in that last drive in regulation
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  Speaker 4: when giving the Seahawks the ball back.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And it saved them a timeout. Right.
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  Speaker 4: And Al Michaels said that. He said, oh, it did
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  Speaker 4: them a favor there by getting that incomplete pass.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And then a minute later, Herbstreit said, oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: it got to save them a timeout because of the
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  Speaker 4: incomplete pass. Right.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the real question. Do you think Al Michaels noticed?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly. Probably. Not as sharp as he used
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  Speaker 3: to be. to be. He probably does.
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  Speaker 4: He probably rolled his eyes a little and said, this guy.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you think that went down? He said
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  Speaker 1: something to Herbie during the break there?
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  Speaker 5: No, I think he left it right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he cares enough to just create an
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  Speaker 4: issue about it. I just think he's rolling his eyes
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  Speaker 4: and then moving on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Dan Byard, Sherman Oaks. He's a Seahawks fan.
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  Speaker 1: He loves Seattle. He loves Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold won
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  Speaker 1: him a Super Bowl. How'd you feel about that game.
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  Speaker 3: Last night, Dan?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a rough one. Quickly about Herbstreet. Here's
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  Speaker 7: the one thing, though. You can criticize him all you want.
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  Speaker 7: Here's the one thing about Herbstreet. He has a dog.
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  Speaker 3: He does. It's adorable.
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  Speaker 7: Peter.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, happy birthday to Peter. So say what you want.
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  Speaker 5: It's his dog's birthday.
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  Speaker 3: We sang him happy birthday on the air. It's Jason
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  Speaker 3: Stewart's birthday here at Fox Sports Radio. Wow. Happy birthday,
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  Speaker 3: Jay Stu. Had to get that one in.
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  Speaker 7: Sam Darnold was giving gifts to the Broncos last night
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  Speaker 7: with the two late interceptions. And it has been a problem.
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  Speaker 7: And if you guys, well, Stu may remember. I know
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  Speaker 7: Izzy doesn't. Last year when Sam Darnold threw four interceptions
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  Speaker 7: against the Rams in a game that they lost by two.
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  Speaker 7: Ernest Jones went to the podium and was like, if
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  Speaker 7: you don't believe in our quarterback, bleep you. And it
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  Speaker 7: felt like this turning point in the season. Darnold threw
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  Speaker 7: four interceptions over the next 10 games. That includes the
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  Speaker 7: playoff run where he didn't throw an interception during those
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  Speaker 7: three playoff games.
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  Speaker 3: Not one. Yeah, not one. Zero.
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  Speaker 7: And you're right about this game against the Rams. It
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  Speaker 7: was one of his top passing performances that he had
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  Speaker 7: last season. And it happened when they needed it the
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  Speaker 7: most in the NFC Championship. But when Ernest Jones said
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  Speaker 7: that last season, Sam Darnold was leading the NFL in turnovers.
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  Speaker 7: And there was no way that that could happen. stay
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  Speaker 7: that way if the seahawks were going to do anything
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  Speaker 7: and it stopped and i think that is a direct
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  Speaker 7: reflection of their success so now when you've only played
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  Speaker 7: four full games they're three and three he hasn't played
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  Speaker 7: in you know two you got hurt in the you
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  Speaker 7: know four snaps in and then missed the next week
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  Speaker 7: so in the four full games that he's played he's
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  Speaker 7: thrown seven interceptions So there is a Sam Darnold problem.
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  Speaker 7: There was no Ernest Jones last night standing up to
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  Speaker 7: the microphone and being like, that's our bleeping quarterback. Because
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  Speaker 7: at one point, you know, if you're the defense, you're like, OK,
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  Speaker 7: what do we have to do? They didn't have 200
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  Speaker 7: yards of total offense last night. And somehow we lost
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  Speaker 7: 17 to 14.
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  Speaker 3: That's our quarterback. He cost us the game. You want
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  Speaker 3: Drew Locke, don't you? You do. I feel it did.
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  Speaker 5: I think that.
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  Speaker 7: I just need somebody who doesn't turn over the football.
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  Speaker 7: And if that's Drew Locke, then have it be Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 7: But that defense is so elite that it's being wasted.
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  Speaker 7: Like the Broncos didn't have to do anything because of
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  Speaker 7: where Donald threw that interception in overtime last night. The
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  Speaker 7: play that they had for Bo Nix on that third
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  Speaker 7: down that made Matthew Fitzpatrick or Matt Fitzpatrick so mad or.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Fitzpatrick, excuse me.
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  Speaker 5: Thinking of the golf.
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  Speaker 3: Tomato, tomato.
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  Speaker 7: The third round play. But that was just like a
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  Speaker 7: run out to the right, right? Just a little, we'll
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  Speaker 7: kick the 53 yarder if we have to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was part of me yesterday that was smiling
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  Speaker 4: at Bo, because.
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  Speaker 5: I told you guys on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: I said, I feel like Arch Manning could take Bo
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  Speaker 4: Nix's spot today and play better.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And so there was, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Stidham might be able to do it. Probably. I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the one thing about Bo that you would
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  Speaker 4: sort of give him, you know, credit for is, hey,
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  Speaker 4: he can execute a game plan. You can give him, hey,
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  Speaker 4: first read, second read.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: I'll try to run.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get rid of it. He can't even do that.
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  Speaker 4: He can't even, like, find the angles for the screen pass.
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  Speaker 4: He can't even. manipulate blocks to get one yard on
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback run.
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  Speaker 3: I think his confidence is a bit shot. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a rift there.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's still upset about Sean Payton and the
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  Speaker 1: comments about how hurt he was after the season last year.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's entirely healthy. He doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: as confident. I just want to give you the numbers
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  Speaker 1: on Sam Darnold last year in a 31-27 win over
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  Speaker 1: the Rams at FC Championship Game for the right to
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  Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Why am I yelling?
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  Speaker 1: He was 25 of 36, 346, three touchdowns, no interceptions,
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  Speaker 1: and a rating which I believe is the highest in
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  Speaker 1: championship game history of 127.8.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why the Rams went to go get Miles
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  Speaker 4: Garrett and bring back Aaron Donald.
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  Speaker 5: So that could never happen again.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't bail on a guy who did that
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 3: You can't.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, when things aren't perfect, yes he
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  Speaker 4: is quite imperfect as.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Well you know yes be sure to catch live editions
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: of stew gods and company live weekdays at 3 p.m
• 14:23
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• 14:26
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• 14:27
  Speaker 3: App dan did you say jeremiah love was out this
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: week was that the uh oh wow yes i have
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: to pick up.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: His backup tyler algier oh real uh he's probably take
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: it i mean This is how I do my fantasy
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: lineup with you, with the updates from Dan Byer.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: I was thinking the same thing when he said Rishi Rice,
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: because I got him.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get him out of my lineup. But
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: you had no idea until Dan said it, right?
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: No, thank you, Dan.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: My man.
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what, I've done this for 20 years.
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: And now, like, if you went back 15 years ago.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: I am not getting in-depth on the injury reports on Fridays.
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: Now I think it's the only thing people care about,
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: that this guy practiced.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Is he questionable? Is he not?
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: Because of fantasy football and obviously gambling being more prevalent.
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: But I think that's all the people care about on Friday.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: 3 o'clock has changed, Dan, as time moves on here.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows by 3 o'clock that Darnold was awful, that
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Bo Nix was terrible, Darnold threw two interceptions. They just
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: want their fantasy news on the way home from work.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Did Chris Olave practice, right? Yes.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Did he practice in a giant helmet?
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm glad that in 2026 the sports update.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Still has some sort of value to somebody, you know? Absolutely.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: That's what we're here for.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan. We appreciate it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: College football expansion, the playoff going to 24 teams. Um,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: no stop in the middle, just straight from 12 to 24.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts here?
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: There's a, I have a couple of thoughts. I mean,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the first one is why did we rush to this?
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Like there's no turning back. You've never seen a league
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: go less playoff teams, right? So it's, this is what
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: it's going to be. If not for a long time,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: probably not going to grow from 24, but this is,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: is what it's going to be. And we had, I
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: don't remember how many years we had the four team.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: We've only had two.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: This would be three.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Seasons of the 12-team playoff. And it's just, why didn't
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: we let this sort of flesh out a little bit?
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Why didn't we just let people say, hey, you know what?
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: This is awesome.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: We still have stakes in the regular season for the
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: most part, because it's an elite group of 12 teams
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: that make it. And we get these great playoffs at
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: the end that kind of feel like professional playoffs and
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: keep the postseason going for longer.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: And you know what?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Still keeps the bowl game somewhat relevant, because you can
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: kill time watching those bowl games. But like, Now, it's just,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: all right, we have to fix something that didn't need fixing,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: and it just took, what, just a few years, a
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: couple of years for them to double the amount of
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: playoff teams. It doesn't seem to make a whole lot
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: of sense to me.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: The short answer is money, and you know that, right?
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: But they're taking away the conference championship games, right?
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: And there's money there.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: They're taking probably attention and some money away from bowl games.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Right, but they're adding more home games, you know, playoff games.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: They are adding that, right?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm with you. I think 24 is
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: absolutely absurd. It takes... The thing that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: College football had down when it was four teams, and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: they still have it to an extent at 12 teams,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you're right, is the fact that the regular season was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: so meaningful. That no longer is the case with a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: 2014 playoff.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: What I mean is Notre Dame, BYU, they play this week.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: In a 24-team playoff, that game is going to be meaningless.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Both teams are going to get in.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: And correct me if I'm wrong here.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: You've got 24 teams, so you've got to have at
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: least five weeks of playoffs, right?
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: That's almost half of the regular season.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: That's what they want.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: That's too much time.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, but college football, so this is what they know, Izzy,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: and you know this. They have us. They can make
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: it 64, and we're still going to watch.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think that that's true.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Like, look, I think the 2014 playoff, yes, will I
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: watch it?
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Yes. Will I have watched a.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Good late season matchup between number four and number 22?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I would have watched that anyway. It's just, you know, getting,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I guess, more dollars from sponsors or what have you
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: because it feels like a bigger game. They're putting bigger
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: stakes on it because it's an elimination game, but it
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: still doesn't it still wouldn't have taken away for me anyway,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, the viewership from some big games, because,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: you know, like you said, BYU, Notre Dame, I only
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: realized yesterday.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: That's that's this week. That's a huge game. I didn't
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: realize BYU was still this good. And I'm probably going
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: to be glued to that game. But if this was
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: during the 24 team playoff.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Not so certain.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yes. Plus Ohio state, Indiana, which is also this weekend.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: What I love about the 12 team format is, is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you have some of these de facto playoff games during
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the regular season. Ohio State can ill afford to lose
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: another game. There's pressure on Ohio State. But in a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: 2014 playoff, there is zero pressure for them to win
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this game and zero pressure for Indiana while we're at
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it to win the game as well. Other than seeding
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and home field and stuff like that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: In fact, if you're the loser of one of these
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: games where you figure out, oh, okay, I'll probably still
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: be in the 2014 playoff, You're begging for a rematch.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: You'll probably have an advantage the second time around.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: You know, one little thing that just made me laugh
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: about this when it comes up is, all right, so
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: obviously with the the the four team playoff we had
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: the the preview shows right to say hey who's currently
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: ranked one through four right i think what they'll start
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: like midway through the season yes and now with 12
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: they do the same thing but once they get to
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: 24 The top 25 poll that they put out every
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: single week is basically going to be like, hey, there
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: They're 24 plus one. Those are probably the teams that
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: are going to be in.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: It should be the AP top 24.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: That's what I was laughing at.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: That team that's ranked in the 25th every week is
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: just like, man, we're ranked, but we are such losers.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: We're not getting in there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: No one's here to put it on the poll, but
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: someone put it on the poll.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Should the AP top 25 be renamed AP top 24?
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: It's gotta be, they gotta just cut that last team off.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Why not?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So this is funny because in a 24 team playoff
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: right now, you would have SMU making the playoff. Boise
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: state would also be a playoff team. And if you
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: look at like years past, we were having some fun
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: with this on the pods this morning. If you look
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: over like the last 10 years, let's say, and, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you put in a 24 team playoff and look at
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: some of the coaches and that would still have their
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: jobs today. If indeed there was a 2014 playoff installed
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a decade ago, James Franklin would be on the Mount
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Rushmore of Penn state football. He would have made the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: playoffs like seven consecutive years as the 20th team in
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the country.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: There's, there's a lot of sort of consequences involved here.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Like if you are maybe unintended consequences, if you are
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: a coach that doesn't make the 2014 playoff three years
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: in a row, Is your job in jeopardy? Because it
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: seems so much easier to get there. Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: There's going to be more fired coaches, basically, as a
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: result of this?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Well, there's going to be more.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think the coaches who already have a ridiculous amount
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of job security have even more now. Because Lincoln Riley
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: can now point to the fact, hey, in a 2014 playoff,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: he's going to say, hey, I've made the playoffs the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: last four years.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Yes. Here's the other thing that, I mean, I hate
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: about it, and I mentioned this a second ago, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: The conference championship games?
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I love those games.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Dan, I love those games.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but like, you know, the
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: idea of winning a conference championship, yeah, it's fine with
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a regular season championship, but there isn't that moment necessarily
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to celebrate it unless you get situations where, hey, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: top two teams in the conference happen to be playing
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: against each other late in the season for the conference championship,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: but Yeah, those games are, I can't think of a
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: better word, titillating.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I love those games. Right, but they think you'll love
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the playoff games more.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I won't. I guarantee you I won't because there's going
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: to be more weeks of it. That's going to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the end of conference play, and that's something that regardless
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: of whether you win a national championship or not, you
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: can hang your head on, hey, we've won four straight
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: SEC championship games, and it's just like that's something.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: That very rarely happens.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: We'll get to Dan and Sherman Oaks in just a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: second here. The other thing is this is not the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: NCAA basketball tournament. where occasionally you'll have a 15 seed,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: beat a 2, and a 16, beat a 1, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: 14 and 13.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: You'll have upsets. You're not going to have upsets here,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: for the most part. Not that large.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You're not going to have it where, you know, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, Tulane is going to Alabama and beating them
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoff.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: You're not going to see that. There is such a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: big gulf between the top 10 teams, and in some cases,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: some years, the top 6, 7, or 8 teams.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Than the bottom 10 teams, if that kind of makes sense.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Like 10 through 20 is a big drop-off.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: What do you have, Dan?
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: I was just going to say, kind of on the
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: heels of that, my issue with it is I don't
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: even think we care about the first-round games in the
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: 12-team bracket. Why would we care about them in the
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: 24-team bracket? Texas A & M- Miami is maybe the game
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: that we remember, but nobody remembers Oregon James Madison. No
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: one remembers Ole Miss-Tulane. Even when we had marquee matchups
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: that first year, and it was so different to see
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: Clemson go to Texas. I don't remember a lot from
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: that game. I remember Ohio State rolled up Tennessee, but
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: that's because I follow the Buckeyes. So I remember that game.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: But the other games didn't necessarily resonate. So why we
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: would want more of that, I have no idea.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what Izzy is saying. He remembers Alabama-Georgia in
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: an SEC championship game. Give me the first round playoff
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: game that you remember in a 12 team format.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: There's a reason.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: There's multiple reasons, but there's never been a movie called
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: any given Saturday because it doesn't happen that regularly.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: It's any given Sunday.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Even in the playoffs, you can get, you know, a
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: wild card shocker.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: And you can get, you know, wildcard team making to.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: The Super Bowl. NFL wildcard teams win the Super Bowl
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and go to the Super Bowl all the time. You're
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: not going to have that in this.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Dan, you would agree you're not going to have like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a Boise State making a run through Alabama, Georgia and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: whoever else to get to a to get to a championship.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Correct. And if we do, we're not going to be interested.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: We're not going to care.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: And that's the biggest part of it. It doesn't grab
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: our attention like a normal Cinderella would. At some point,
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: they make it to the semifinals and get rolled, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: then we're like, great, this is supposed to be one
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: of the three best games of the year, and now
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: it's 49-10 in the third quarter.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: That's no fun.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: This is where I'm just, I still haven't had anybody
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: answer this question for me well, is like, why did
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: we rush to this? What were the focus groups that said, hey,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, more playoffs are going to make me watch
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: more If they were college football fans, they would probably
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: say the opposite. They would probably say what we're saying.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: They would probably say, hey, we love our rivalries. We
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: love our big games during the regular season.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: We're good with 12.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: We weren't sure we were going to be good with 12,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: but now after a couple of years, we've seen it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: We're good with 12.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Because I think after four, most people are just like, hey,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: let's stop at eight. When they jump to 12 and
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: it's like, might that be too much? Turns out it's okay. Yes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It's okay. Now we're at 12, but this is a
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: big jump. This is too big of a jump.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Why are we doubling it? It's unnecessary.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Why are we not stopping at 16?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Right. See how that feels for a second.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: I also think that there's the TV aspect of this
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: as well. And I think that the ultimate goal was
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: that ESPN is going to negotiate and then they're going
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: to find out they didn't want to pay that much
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: money for this bracket. So then now Fox comes in,
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: NBC comes in, maybe they're the ones that are paying
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: for it. So it's more money. with more networks involved.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: And now it seems like ESPN has just got a
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: deal to run this thing, and I'm not sure other
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: networks are coming in. So I don't even know if
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: that has worked out in the ideal way that the
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: Big Ten, because the Big Ten's been the one behind this,
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: really wanted this to work out. I think that they
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: wanted their broadcast partners of Fox and NBC to throw
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: even more money so they could get some of these
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: playoff games.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't even know if that's happening.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that ESPN doesn't make great decisions.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I think they've been on a streak of pretty poor decisions.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not certain Dabo Swinney would be on the hot
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: seat right now because I just keep going to random
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: years and where Clemson was ranked.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And I just went back two years ago. They were 14th.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: So Dabo could have said, hey, I'm in the playoffs
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And the whole thing is patently absurd.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: And again.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, go ahead, Izzy. I'm sorry.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, again, I just don't understand.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But if you're telling me the reason is the money,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: explain it to me in terms that I could understand,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: because I understand if the money's there, if things become
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: more interesting. But I don't believe that to be the case,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: at least not for the first two rounds of what's
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: going to be a five week playoff.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: That's too long.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: But is it like the money's already paid for? Like
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: if Fox says we want in for X amount and
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: it would be more than what, you know, they could
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: get just solely from ESPN. They don't care how good
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: the games are.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Right. But I do think it's already cashed.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I do think there's something to some of these schools
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: getting home playoff games and getting more than one, meaning
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the gate.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: For that is is enormous.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: As opposed to having to go to Tampa to play
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in some meaningful hole.
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: You know, they get a home game.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: There's also there was also this thrown about and this
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: hasn't been brought up since. But there was talk of
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: if you eliminate the conference championship games. How about having
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: a mini tournament with like your third through sixth place teams,
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: kind of like you even see in in the in
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: European soccer and in some of the levels where you
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: would have like the third place team play the sixth
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: place team and then the next week. They play for
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: their way into the tournament. There was talk about that
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: months ago, maybe a year or so ago, to try
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: to replace some of the value of the conference championship games.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: Realistically looked at, but that's how a conference could make
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: that up. But then again, now you're playing less conference
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: games probably to accommodate whatever sort of bracket you would
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: like to have to end up allowing that sort of
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: route to the playoff.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I'm just happy these kids are actually getting paid now
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: because they've had to put your body at that type
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: of risk week after week after week with big stakes.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: You know people are going to be playing their brains out.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: They deserve to get paid.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the AP Top 24 from two years ago.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Let me give you some of the teams that would
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: have made the playoffs in a 2014 format. First off,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: from 11 down all the way to 25, they have
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: at least three losses. But these are the teams that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: would have made it in. a nine and four South
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Carolina team, a 10 and three Syracuse team.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Army would have been in what army army. And I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: think they would have traveled to Alabama to play them.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You and LV would have made it. Memphis would have
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: made it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Colorado would be on the outside looking in. They were 25. Yes.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: By the way, you no longer need the others receiving
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: votes because you'll just have 25 out there. It doesn't
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: mean that one dangling team out there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Northwestern would have a hell of an argument this year.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: They're 25 right now.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I love when people say, how are we going to
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: decipher between all these eight and four teams? I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: the question is, how do you decipher between an eight
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: and four power for school and an 11 and one.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Group of six school?
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Like that's where I think it's interesting because the group
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: of six is also is only going to get one
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: team in and it's going to be their highest ranked.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: What about if you have a couple, what about if
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: you've got, you know, Boise state and San Diego state
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: or whatever, and now you've got to compare their resumes
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: like eight and four compared to their 11 and one
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: is probably going to look much better. That's more of
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: the question that I have in, in how this is
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: all going to work out because I, That's the same
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: argument we have in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, right?
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: How does Miami of Ohio get in or how does
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: North Carolina get in or Indiana? That's where our debates fall.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: And I think that could happen here in college football.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie, Dan.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: One of the things as I get older that I
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: just feel like I never really needed to learn. And
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: it's still very confusing to me is all that sort
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: of distinction in college football, the power five, the group
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: of six. Like, I don't know what's what I really
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: It's confusing. Just give me 24 teams, I guess.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: And just let's have a playoff.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: live weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Pacific.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: There's no time like October. The World Series begins next Friday,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: streaming live on Fox 1. The National League champion Brewers
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: will take on either the Rays or Guardians live from
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee next Friday for Game 1. This is Winner Go
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Home Baseball, and every pitch matters. This is the moment
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: the whole season's been building to. Every pitch, every swing,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: every walk-off, don't let it pass you by. There's no
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: time like October, and there's no better place to stream
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: the magic than Fox One. Stream the World Series live
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: on Fox One. Stu, I don't know if you saw
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: this in the postgame. Apparently, we have the sound of this,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: but Jake Bowers, the NLCS MVP, said something that motivated
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: him about playing the Dodgers in the NLCS this year.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: If we have the sound of that, let's hit that now.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Last year was a little bit eye-opening.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: We won the DS against the Cubs, and I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: we kind of celebrated like that was something. Those guys
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: swept us, they sent us home, and you would have
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: thought it was a handshake line at a spring training game.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: So stupid.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: You can't win, can you? If you beat somebody and.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: You celebrate like, again, that was the DS or whatever,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and you celebrate like it was the World Series.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: They're going to be like, oh, you're celebrating too hard.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: If you don't celebrate hard enough, they're like, oh, you're
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: not celebrating enough.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Give us some credit.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I was I was surprised by that because I thought
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: what I you know what I thought he was going
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: to say. Yeah, they you know, they were sort of
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: flaunting on the field. They were doing what was the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the Yankees lose who was doing that during after they
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: beat the Yankees. that stuff, like, I thought that would
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: be what pissed him off, but no. It was just
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the fact that they were too nonchalant. He wanted some
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: more chalant in the celebration there. That part, to me,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: was kind of wild.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: He was pretty incredible in this series, though. I mean,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and Matt Viscursion is going to join us. He's a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: lifelong Brewers fan. He'll join us in hour number two.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: He was incredible. I mean, to do what he did
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: against two of the greatest postseason pitchers, Yamamoto and Snell,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: that we've ever seen, certainly in recent history... Just incredible
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: the way he extends at bats.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I have a theory on this. Did you know the
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: details on him? Like he was basically willing to retire,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I think. But then I think his wife said he
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: was going to have another kid. And then he's like,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I just got to play for the insurance.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Well, nothing will make you prolong your career like a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: new child.
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to ever know that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: But the thing about that that made me laugh or
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: that made me think was just like, yeah, no, there's
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: no pressure on him.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: He's literally just playing for the insurance. Why does it matter? Yes. Oh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: they're going to blame me.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: I'm getting my insurance. Yes.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It was very cool because you have the whole, you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I guess larger scope here.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: You have the collective bargaining. You have this. We're headed
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: towards a strike. But I think baseball, I think the
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: players can say, hey.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: The team that didn't trade for Scooble beat the team
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that traded everything for Scooble and spent five times the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: amount of money that we spent. And you're going to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: have a Rays or Guardians and the Milwaukee Brewers.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You're going to have that as your World Series. That's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: a win for the players, I think.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Have you heard the conspiracy theory going around?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have. Well, give it to me. I want
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to make sure we're hearing the same one.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: That the Dodgers sort of tanked this so that they
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: can go into next offseason saying, you see, all the
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: small market teams.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Have made it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: To the World Series or, you know, three of the
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: four in the CSs and two in the World Series.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: We don't need a salary cap. We're good. And then
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: they'll just spend, you know, their butts off and win
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: the next five.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yes. They'll have a billion dollar payroll next year.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I did think, though, it was it was funny because
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I was thinking with Shohei Otani.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: It was what were.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: People surprised that a guy who did all of those.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Things and and pitched and hit all of those games
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: that they that now he's hurt. And, like, you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: he's exhausted himself too much that he's hurt? Or were
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: they just surprised that him being hurt made him look
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: as bad as he did?
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Wow. Good question. We'll get back to it in a second.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I am told that Dan has breaking news coming out
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of Green Bay.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: What do you have, Dan?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Breaking news from Fox Sports.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Stu Izzy, the National Football League, has released a statement
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: notifying Josh Jacobs of the Packers. He will be removed
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: from the commissioner's exempt list on October 19th. That is
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: on Monday. Jacobs will be eligible to play in week
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: seven for Green Bay. It's the same exact situation for
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: Broncos outside linebacker Jonathan Cooper, who is also now off
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: of the commissioner's exempt list. The NFL says that they
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: continue to investigate both of the situations involving the players,
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: and if needed, further punishment could be levied. But Josh
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: Jacobs is back with the Packers in week seven. Jonathan
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: Cooper back with the Broncos in week seven.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: There's my running back I'm going to pick up.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: It's odd, though, Dan.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: It feels like they're just sort of saying, hey, we're
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: still investigating, but.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: We're going to let them play.
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting, too, because this week Josh Jacobs filed
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: a lawsuit against an area police department, a local police
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: department in Green Bay, trying to stop the release of
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: that video that is apparently out there that we haven't seen.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: And whether it comes out or is leaked, I think
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: that's going to be determined on what's going to happen
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: with Josh Jacobs. And I guess the NFL is just
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: saying six games is enough right now, and if they
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: got to do more, they'll do more.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: That's interesting. Yeah, it seems like they're just like, hey,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: we don't know what to do.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Let's just let them play, and then we'll figure it
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: out later.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Did you see how emotional Otani was last night when
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: he hit that home run? I love that because Dodger
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: fans got their hopes up again, only to be let
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: down in the end.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what it's funny because that's what made me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: So I haven't seen a whole lot of Milwaukee Brewers
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: games this year, Stu. I'm just not breaking. You're not alone.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: But I turned that game on after it was already 4-0.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And the first thing in my head was, all right,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: here we go. It's another Yankees Red Sox because the
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Dodgers are going to come back and win this thing.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: And Tyler Glass now was dealing, blah, blah, blah. I
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: fell in love with the Brewers in, like, three innings
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: of play.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: How could you not? I mean, those guys, they look.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Tiny, first of all. Half the lineup looks like they're
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: 5'5 or shorter.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Like, that's probably not true, but they just look it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: And they play baseball the way I remember watching baseball.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you swing. You don't have to
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: swing for the fences every time. You steal some bases.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: You bunt to try to get on. Like, I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: they're a lot of fun and, you know— I'll probably
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: watch some World Series games, which is quite the compliment.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Plus, you have Pat Murphy as the manager who seems
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: like your uncle. Oh, yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I was laughing because the owner was up there pulling
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: his pants up before he received the trophy.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: He looks like another uncle.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: But you're right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: They look like a team that spent, I don't know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: $ 160 million less than the Dodgers.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 37:34
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  Speaker 4: and get to work. And now it's time for the
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Express Pros Pro of the Week. The Pro of the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Week goes to Brewers first baseman Jake Bowers, who grinded
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: out one at bat after another and drove in six
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: runs in Milwaukee's series sweep over the Dodgers. Bowers became
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: the first player in Brewers history to win the LCS
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: MVP award. Congrats to Jake Bowers for being our Express
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Pros Pro of the Week.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: That was very heartfelt. I know.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: It just felt like, oh.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Matt Viscursion told us that Bowers will never buy a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: drink in Milwaukee again. He was that good in that series.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Matt Viscursion for joining us. Thanks to the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Bear as well. Thanks to Izzy for joining us. He
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: is working more and more days with each passing week.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: What do you have for us here in the last
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes of the show?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: On the WNBA finals.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Ah, your favorite topic, the WNBA finals.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to bring it up because I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I have kind of an unpopular take on the finals, which,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: you know, the season, I believe, was probably its best season,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: the WNBA, just in terms of interest and, you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: the ratings matched up.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: The ratings did really well.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I don't love this finals matchup for viewership. okay and
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it has nothing to do with like kate and clark
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: not being there obviously she was the first round knockout
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: doesn't have anything to do necessarily with certain stars not being.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: There uh can i ask you a question and i
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: i apologize in advance for not knowing this is viewership
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: up this year has it been up well especially yeah
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: late in the season from what i saw um there
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: were that were outranking a bunch of other sports uh
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that you know you would think are more popular um
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: especially like i said late in the season but I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: don't really have an answer for the full season.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: But in terms of like, I don't remember the last time,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: if ever, people have talked about the WNBA this much. Now,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: maybe it was all for the wrong reasons, but it
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: did translate into some good viewing numbers.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Let me clear that up. It was mostly for the
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: wrong reasons. Mostly, right?
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: So if that continues and they drew a lot of
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: people in and then you're supposed to get the best
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: on the best, these are two really good defensive teams.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: And that's not great.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: It's terrible.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: It's just not great. It's not what you want.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: It's like, I remember 2007, it was Piston Spurs.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And I was like, these are two great teams. Like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I don't want to watch all that great defense all
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: the time. And then when you got the sport that's growing, growing,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: you just want that to continue. I will say the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Angel Reese aspect of it is helpful because good or bad,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: people want to see what she's doing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: There are people who want to hate on her even further,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: even though she just keeps winning and that's what she's
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: done her whole career.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: This is her first final?
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. She made it to the finals before Caitlin Clark? Absolutely.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I love that. Or they want to watch her fail. Sorry,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I said that already. They want to hate on her
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: or they want her to succeed because they've been on
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: her side this whole time. Right.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just never pretty basketball, even with the Valkyries.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Like, I watch them play.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I do not understand how they're so good.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And it's just defense because nobody really analyzes defense especially well.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Even Gabby Williams, who's been a star, I think she's
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: on her third team. You know, not the most recognizable,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: fun player, athletic player, but just doesn't, you know, jump
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: off the screen, actually. And I think if you've got— now,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the crowds are going to be great. These are probably
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the two most, you know— like the two biggest home
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: crowds at the moment that really desperately want some success.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: But I just don't think it's going to look great.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: And people just, you know, people naturally want to rip
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: on the WNBA if they don't like it. And this
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: might give them opportunity because it's supposed to be the best.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Of the best.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: It's going to be like Broncos and Seahawks.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: It's gotta be better than that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: It's gotta be better than that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: But the difference is that it's unfair to the WNBA
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: is millions upon millions of people
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Will watch that crap.