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Gordie Chiesa Hour on NBA Trade Deadline Day - Jazz getting JJJ from Memphis, Giannis staying in Milwaukee + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk. Stay
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  Speaker 1: for his list of the day, My list today. Here's
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  Speaker 1: oc with.
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  Speaker 2: Basketball sab on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 3: My Dog, Fordy Chia's back in the house. No one
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  Speaker 3: better on a day to talk NBA and Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: The trade deadline of course coming our way about an
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  Speaker 3: hour from right now.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, how are you? What I am doing well?
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for the inviteds always, and this is one of
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  Speaker 4: my most favorite days of the year, besides Jay's favorite day,
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  Speaker 4: which I know is Valentine's today, So it's my favorite
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  Speaker 4: day of the year. The trading deadline, it's rather intense
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  Speaker 4: and I've been a lot of converas stations over the
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  Speaker 4: last thirty b the NBA now for thirty thirty six
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  Speaker 4: years is that there's nothing like the trading deadline where
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  Speaker 4: it's absolutely intense into war rooms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty six minutes away from the NBA trade deadline
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  Speaker 3: deals still coming through, James, let us know, the seventy
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  Speaker 3: six ers just traded Eric Gordon to the Grizzlies for
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  Speaker 3: a twenty thirty two second or with a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: thirty two second round pick. That as we just mentioned Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: that's a that's a money deal. That's that's moving contracts,
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  Speaker 3: that's moving salaries, and then trading a twenty thirty two pick,
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  Speaker 3: which let's see, that's probably someone who's maybe a freshman
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  Speaker 3: in high school. Maybe eighth grader, Yeah, very much, eighth
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  Speaker 3: greater exactly right, eighth grade.
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  Speaker 4: And what the rules are you can trade out out
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  Speaker 4: the outer seventy years for a draft pick, so a
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  Speaker 4: lot of time to see you now, so this is
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, yeah, seven equals see the thirty twenty
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  Speaker 4: thirty two or thirty three, those are rules seventy years
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  Speaker 4: out you can legally trade a draft pick. So much
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  Speaker 4: is also part of that is not a question you
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  Speaker 4: like the guy, you like the guy's money for July first, right,
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  Speaker 4: that's a huge factor.
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  Speaker 3: As much as the player movement during the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 3: moving salaries so that you can do something during free
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  Speaker 3: agency is just as big a part of this week
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  Speaker 3: as anything. Now, the Jazz a team that I kind
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  Speaker 3: of thought would be doing that. I thought that they'd move,
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  Speaker 3: maybe moving some ancillary pieces and opening up to have
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  Speaker 3: free agency flexibility. Instead, they kind of cashed in on
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  Speaker 3: what would have been one of their targets in free
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  Speaker 3: agency in Jaron Jackson Junior. And you know, I like
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  Speaker 3: that because the Jazz we've seen time and time again
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  Speaker 3: open up a bunch of room for free agency and
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  Speaker 3: then not be able to get like that top flight
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  Speaker 3: guy that they wanted right whether it's talking him into
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  Speaker 3: living in Utah or coming and be playing here or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is. Going the free agency route some times
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  Speaker 3: is a little tougher for the Utah Jazz. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of times they've ended up on the side where they're
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  Speaker 3: losing their free agents rather than bringing guys in. So
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  Speaker 3: they say, hey, let's not deal with that. Let's go
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  Speaker 3: and get Jaron Jackson Junior, a guy that's under contract
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  Speaker 3: for a little while, and you know, we'll use that
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  Speaker 3: flexibility to get a piece that we think can be
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  Speaker 3: part of our future. They send Walter Clayton Junior, Kyle Anderson,
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Hendricks, George Niang to Memphis and they get in return.
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  Speaker 3: As I mentioned Jaron Jackson Junior, John conchar and Vince
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  Speaker 3: Williams Junior. Now you know Concharts, I think more of
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  Speaker 3: a filler as far as the rosters go and making
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  Speaker 3: the salaries work. But I think that Jaron Jackson Junior
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  Speaker 3: and Vince Williams Gordy, which has been under talked about
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, I think these are two guys that
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  Speaker 3: could be seen as legitimate pieces for the jazz future,
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  Speaker 3: and I think they fit maybe what the Jazz are
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  Speaker 3: trying to do. A lot of length, a lot of defense.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we're seeing with the jazz right now. And Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: we talked about it at the break. The jazz defense
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  Speaker 3: is in a need for those types of players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 4: So let's give a quick guy report about Jaron Jackson,
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  Speaker 4: age twenty seven, two time All Star. He's a stretch big,
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  Speaker 4: he's a finesse range score, He's he's shorthanded in the lane.
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  Speaker 4: His biggest threat is picking pop. So in a high
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  Speaker 4: pick and roll is visualize right now on a dance
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  Speaker 4: dribble with Isaiah Kalia. He sets the screen, he pops
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  Speaker 4: back for that quick, that quick jump shot and that
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  Speaker 4: quick three point range. Now it's interesting reporter his shot delivery,
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  Speaker 4: we call it a set shot, low trajectory. So think
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  Speaker 4: of Tarrese Halliburton of the Paces with that look that
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  Speaker 4: that low trajectory shot. That's Jaron Jackson as far as
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  Speaker 4: the release point about it. Defensively, he has range, so
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  Speaker 4: he's in the lane. He can block shots, and he's
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  Speaker 4: a he's a guy that's got a good length. Now
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  Speaker 4: what he needs to do is be better rebounder. So
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  Speaker 4: his career only, he's averaging fight onero point six rebounds,
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  Speaker 4: so he's got to compete harder on the boards. And
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  Speaker 4: also he's foul prone, so he's got to get better
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  Speaker 4: technique and he's got to do less body fouling. That's
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  Speaker 4: the that's the things he has to improve on. But
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  Speaker 4: what he gives the Jazz is absolutely a tremendous scoring threat.
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  Speaker 4: He's a thirty five point one percent three point shooter.
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  Speaker 4: He leads his career wise is is almost two blocks
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  Speaker 4: per game, and he can score the ball, and he
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  Speaker 4: can run the ball. He's really has ball skills. So
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  Speaker 4: it's an absolutely home run. Contractually, his is numbers right now,
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  Speaker 4: I know you're driving right now in I fifteen. This
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  Speaker 4: is this is an NBA lexicon. As far as money,
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  Speaker 4: this is not the real world, all right, So this
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  Speaker 4: year makes This year makes thirty five million dollars. Next
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  Speaker 4: year makes forty nine million dollars, twenty seven to twenty
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  Speaker 4: eight fifty point five million, twenty eight, twenty nine fifty
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  Speaker 4: two million, and twenty nine thirty he makes fifty three
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  Speaker 4: point five million, which is the player option, and that
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  Speaker 4: same year match it up with Larry market in so
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  Speaker 4: market under him will have the same time. Next guy
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  Speaker 4: A little quick Sky report synopsis. Vince Williams junior. First
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  Speaker 4: thing is vastly underrated his age twenty five. He's a
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  Speaker 4: recipient scorer, which means an NBA jogging that he scores
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  Speaker 4: off movement via what via dribble, handoffs, a fast break,
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  Speaker 4: in transition, broken play scoring. He's he's really a smart cutter,
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  Speaker 4: and a smart cutter for him would be is that
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  Speaker 4: we call U turn cutting. Where the guy's overplaying, you
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  Speaker 4: make a U turn cut. He can score the ball
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  Speaker 4: as far as that well, he doesn't do right now.
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  Speaker 4: He's he's really a blow of its three point shooter
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  Speaker 4: only thirty two point three percent from threes. Here's the
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  Speaker 4: great part about him. Absolutely defensive playmaker. So this is
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  Speaker 4: what the Jazz need. Jaron Jackson the block shots and
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  Speaker 4: to really alter shots. And this guy what he does.
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  Speaker 4: He's disrupted around the ball. He for yester year. If
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  Speaker 4: you're you don't understand how he plays like, he just forgot.
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  Speaker 4: If forgetful visualized Stacy Augment when Stacey Augment played in
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  Speaker 4: the NBA via UNLV Rebels in this heyday. He has
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  Speaker 4: his long, gangly arms, we call him alligator arms, and
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  Speaker 4: that he can play in the passing lane. He's a
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  Speaker 4: mindful technique. He's really good defending the ball, and he's
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  Speaker 4: really tremendous as far as good a screen action. He
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  Speaker 4: gives the Jazz with the Jazz need. Is a wing
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  Speaker 4: defender that's pride about his defense. Next guy, quickly, John A.
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  Speaker 4: Contract is a shooting specialist off the roll. He's a
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  Speaker 4: a floor spacer, he's a range marksman and he can
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  Speaker 4: make three point shots. And the last guy is Chris Bouche,
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  Speaker 4: who the Jazz traded for today from the Boston Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: He's a pick and pop big guy.
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  Speaker 4: I'll call him a stretch for So the Jazz added
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  Speaker 4: two shooters in Contract and Chris buch and he added
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  Speaker 4: a range shooter also and Jared Jackson the defensive player,
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  Speaker 4: and got an absolutely superior defensive player in Vince Williams.
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  Speaker 4: So in the big picture with Austin Inge, it was
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  Speaker 4: a an a plus right now.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously Gordy likes what the Jazz have done. I
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  Speaker 3: like what the Jazz have done. Now you're you're building
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  Speaker 3: towards something probably twenty twenty seven, twenty eight rather than
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  Speaker 3: this year as you continue to angle for the draft.
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  Speaker 3: But something else that they've done, Gordy is every player
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  Speaker 3: that the Jazz have picked up can play multiple positions.
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  Speaker 3: They can all defend, and they can switch on the
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  Speaker 3: defensive end. As a guy who again you coached and
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  Speaker 3: kind of saw a transition from a very traditional point
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  Speaker 3: guard shooting guard four and five guy, you're now seeing
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  Speaker 3: rosters being built upon players who are all just long
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  Speaker 3: rangey defenders and can play multiple positions. How do you
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  Speaker 3: see the identity of the Jazz kind of shifting and
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  Speaker 3: evolving as they pick up these types of players.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the defense will get better, that's the first thing,
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  Speaker 4: because it has to the Jazz history is the math.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, the Jazz are less than the MBS two
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  Speaker 4: is less than the NBA for the back to back
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  Speaker 4: years now of the most points are allowed per game,
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  Speaker 4: and also this year they allowed the most three point
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  Speaker 4: shots per game in the NBA at fifteen point nine.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why that happens, just generally speaking conjecturally,
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  Speaker 4: is that you don't defend the ball and that one
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  Speaker 4: of your bigs has very slow getting out to the
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  Speaker 4: corner to challenge a three point shot. But it all
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  Speaker 4: starts like any defense on ball, and that's where the
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  Speaker 4: Jazz got improved a lot of its technique.
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  Speaker 1: Most of it's what effort, and that's what the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: can improve on.
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  Speaker 4: All right, here's the starting lineup that could be could
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  Speaker 4: be let's forecast out next year. At point guard Keante George,
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  Speaker 4: at two guard Ace barely as a big two right now,
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  Speaker 4: at small forward slash hybrid Larry Marketing at power forward
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  Speaker 4: slash stretch Jaron Jackson. And at center should be Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 4: So that could be. Now, what about Walker Kesta As
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  Speaker 4: far as you're Jazz fan, all right, he's hurt and
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  Speaker 4: he's good, and he's homegrown, and that this year. Only
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  Speaker 4: played five games this year before we before the surgeons
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  Speaker 4: left shoulder surgery with a torn labor and thank god
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't a shooting hand. It's on his He's on
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  Speaker 4: his left shoulder, all right. So he's a restricted free agent.
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  Speaker 4: So Porter, what did they do? Hey, we love you
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  Speaker 4: dog because he's homegrown. We drafted you. But the day
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  Speaker 4: to draft via Minnesota Timberwolves.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 4: Again, what's he worth to the Jazz? And in the range,
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  Speaker 4: we always talk about this, Porter, you and I about
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  Speaker 4: the contract of ironically of Utah former utes Yaka Pearl,
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  Speaker 4: who plays with the Toronto Raptors. His contract will this
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  Speaker 4: make it simple? He averages twenty eight million dollars for
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  Speaker 4: the next four years, And so the question is always
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  Speaker 4: in the internally, is Walker Kessler better for the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: than Yaka Pertle for the Raptors? And the answer is
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  Speaker 4: unequivocally yes. So now it's my time to get a
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  Speaker 4: tremendous payday. And so now it gets interesting. And so Porter,
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  Speaker 4: it's beautiful right now outside here in beautiful February Salt
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  Speaker 4: Lake City, which is unquestionably should be cold right now,
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  Speaker 4: but it's warm. But July one Porter in the war
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  Speaker 4: room is going to be hot in there. You have
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  Speaker 4: to decide what they do with Walker Kessler. As far
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  Speaker 4: as being a restricted free agent.
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  Speaker 3: A restricted free agent, and we've talked about this, you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned Yaka Pearle. The thing with the Jazz is you've
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  Speaker 3: now brought in a Jaron Jackson junior who can play
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  Speaker 3: the five. You have a use of nerd you who
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  Speaker 3: I think is a very good candidate for the mid level. Exception,
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  Speaker 3: the benchmark, as you mentioned, at twenty eight million dollars
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  Speaker 3: a year. To me, I like Yaka Perl and I
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  Speaker 3: like Walker Kessler. But I think, and we talked about
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  Speaker 3: this a little of the break, I think the Raptors
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  Speaker 3: set that benchmark a little high. Now I know the
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  Speaker 3: salary cap is going to continue to go up, these
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  Speaker 3: numbers to me are I don't live in that space.
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  Speaker 3: So twenty eight million is always going to seem high
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  Speaker 3: to me. But just based on on the amount that
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  Speaker 3: it takes up against the cap that's going to be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, nineteen or twenty million dollars hard cap for
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  Speaker 3: the you know, towards the hard cap for the Jazz,
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  Speaker 3: And I think that that is is a tough ask.
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  Speaker 3: I think if Walker Kessler and his camp want to stay,
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  Speaker 3: there may be a desire from the Jazz to come
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  Speaker 3: down from that number a little bit. And that's seemingly
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  Speaker 3: where where there's some tension brewing.
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  Speaker 1: Blasphemy.
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  Speaker 4: My good man, I can't believe you're saying that blasphemy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm many kidding.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why is that you forgetful how players
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  Speaker 4: think in their agents. That Walker Kessler does have somewhat
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  Speaker 4: leverage yep, somewhat, not total because now Jaron Jackson here,
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  Speaker 4: it changes part of the equation. You've mentioned also about
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  Speaker 4: Yusuf Nurkerz, who's played very well for the Jazz. Mid
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  Speaker 4: level exception next season should be roughly fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: He's making nineteen point one right now, so he's going
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  Speaker 4: to get a pay cut if the Jazz do re
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  Speaker 4: sign him, but it might he might add some more
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  Speaker 4: years to his career at thirty one. When's the last
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  Speaker 4: time you heard really an NBA player take a pay
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  Speaker 4: cut dramatically?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: It happens very very unusually a low ratio.
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  Speaker 1: It usually is.
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  Speaker 3: The most common time I hear about a player taking
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  Speaker 3: a pay cut is when they have already kind of
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  Speaker 3: played out their career. They're a star who has a
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  Speaker 3: bazillion dollars in the bank, and they want to go
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  Speaker 3: play with a friend or something, right, or they want
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  Speaker 3: to go play with a specific team. Outside of that,
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  Speaker 3: agents are really good at getting market value.
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  Speaker 1: For their players. That's their job, all right.
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  Speaker 4: So the last time I've heard of a really a
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  Speaker 4: great player taking a pay cut with Dirk Nowitzki with
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  Speaker 4: the He didn't want to be traded from the Dallas Mavericks,
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  Speaker 4: and so he took a pay cut to make five
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  Speaker 4: million dollars a year from making definitely like a thirty
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  Speaker 4: five million. And he did that because he didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to move. And at that time, Mark Cuban was the
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  Speaker 4: sole owner of the of the Dallas Mavericks, and it
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  Speaker 4: worked out for both parties. And it's very rare. So
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned about Dirk Nowitzki, most players get traded. It's
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  Speaker 4: the most amazing phenomena, and it's his's what happens. I'll
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  Speaker 4: use his illustration because it involves Jaron Jackson. I thought
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  Speaker 4: about this the other day, all right, the only player
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  Speaker 4: in the two eighteen draft. So these players are in
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  Speaker 4: their prime right now. Roughly the twenty seven to twenty
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  Speaker 4: eight The only player in the twenty twenty eight draft
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  Speaker 4: to remain on their own original drafted team is only
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  Speaker 4: one guy. So fifty nine players in the two thy
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  Speaker 4: and eighteen draft of the original team is now on
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  Speaker 4: different teams. So do you know the expression that is
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  Speaker 4: always moving parts? Every day something's moving along the way,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's your own personal life or professional life, it's
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  Speaker 4: always moving.
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  Speaker 1: This is the ultimate.
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  Speaker 4: So sixty guys drafted in twenty eighteen, only one guy
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  Speaker 4: is left and has the only one guy left. He
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  Speaker 4: was the thirty sixth picket the draft by the Knickerbockers
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  Speaker 4: Mitchell Robinson. So his the guys, I'll just give it,
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  Speaker 4: not all six, no way, I'll just give it the
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  Speaker 4: top eleven in the draft number one, DeAndre Ayton, number two,
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  Speaker 4: Marvin Bagley, number three, Luca Dantage number four. Now see
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  Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson was the second least guy to remainer on
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  Speaker 4: the team. That was the Jazz number five, Trey Young
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  Speaker 4: number six, Mobama number seven, Wendell Carter Junior number eight,
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  Speaker 4: former Jazz man Colin Secon number nine, Kevin Knox number ten,
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  Speaker 4: the Keel Bridges and number eleven. This guy's the MVP
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  Speaker 4: of the NBA last season, he might be this year.
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  Speaker 1: Him and NICOLEA. Jokic. J Jos Alexander was.
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  Speaker 4: Drafted, was drafted and by the LA Clippers, and was traded,
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  Speaker 4: thank God and the underworld to the Thunder. So being
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  Speaker 4: traded is perfectly normal in the NBA. The last two
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  Speaker 4: star wards that might never be traded possibly would be
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  Speaker 4: Steph Curry and Nikolai Jokic. Probably probably see that was
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  Speaker 4: I'm hesitating so fast, Yeah, not so fast. Port One
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  Speaker 4: time Larry Miller said to it Lake great, Larry Miller
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  Speaker 4: said to the Jazz around a long time ago, he
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  Speaker 4: said to these magical words, Hey, guys, meaning myself, Jerry Stone,
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  Speaker 4: Phil Johnson, and Kevin O'Connor, I will never trade John
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  Speaker 4: Stockton or call him alone. So we're gonna ride their
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  Speaker 4: career out, and then we're gonna rebuild. I will never
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  Speaker 4: trade these guys. So once he said to do it
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  Speaker 4: at that meeting, then it was never ever discussed ever.
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  Speaker 4: John played the age forty one, call played till age
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  Speaker 4: thirty nine, went for the Lakers for one season, then
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  Speaker 4: he retired. The Jazz regrouped three years later. And by
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven with Darren Williams, Boozer and o'cagh
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  Speaker 4: got back to the Conference finals.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned that twenty eighteen draft and how trades are
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  Speaker 3: movements always happening, right, Just think about this for a moment.
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  Speaker 3: You remember all the noise about the Mavericks and the
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  Speaker 3: in trading up for Luca, trade Young and all that. Well,
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  Speaker 3: just a little revisit of that situation. The but Dallas
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  Speaker 3: Mavericks traded essentially trade Young for Luca. In that trade
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  Speaker 3: the third pick for the fifth pick, and then they
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  Speaker 3: traded and then they traded Luca to the Lakers for
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Davis. And then they just traded Anthony Davis to
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  Speaker 3: Washington for Marvin Bagley, who was the second pick in
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  Speaker 3: that draft. They essentially, it took them six years, but
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: they essentially traded the third pick for the second pick
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: in the NBA draft. Just a very full circle moment there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's an understatement, the full circle of NBA life.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. That's why it's so important to get
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: the majority of your draft picks correct and then developed
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: them and now they play for your franchise and your
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: team is successful. Then you have to give them fair compensation.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: And then later on into the Korea, they're all trying
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: to chase a championship title, and then you have to reassess,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: then what do you need to try to get that
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: exclusive title, which we know is very very hard to do.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Full circle, and that's the beauty of the NBA. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: you think you know something, you know nothing because it's
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: called you and behavior and that so much is the
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: fit porter. So a lot of times players you love
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: their talent, but it's not the right fit for them,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: so you take the guy for all the wrong reasons
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: based on only talent, and it doesn't fit in. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: then you try to move that guy often out of
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: non strength, right versus out of what strength.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You mentioned what could be the starting lineup for the
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz Walker Kessler, Lowry Markinen. Those guys are both
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: over seven feet tall. Jaron Jackson Junior is six', Eleven
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Ace bailey six eight sixty, nine and then you have
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: to think probably ke, words oh. Absolutely you also may
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: have a lottery pick in the next year's, draft so
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you could add something in. There but the front court
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and the very tall As bailey at the. Two that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: would be the tallest starting lineup in league, history and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: it's all a bunch of guys that are kind of.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: INTERCHANGEABLE i don't want to say positionless basketball because it's
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: a kind of a vague, Term but to, Me i'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: all in on that type of roster where you can
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: build out a bunch of, length which on the defensive
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: side of the, Ball gordy cuts everything. Down it makes
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the court smaller for the other, team and on the offensive,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: side if they can all, shoot it spaces the floor
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: for your. Team that's a that's, just on its, face
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: a roster THAT i can get on board. With the one, question,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: however is with A Walker kessler Now interestingly, enough for The,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: JAZZ i think that some of the leverage that we
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: talk About gordy was that The jazz have a historically
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: bad defense right, Now, well they just brought in a
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: former Defensive player of The year who can play the.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Five does that add any, pressure any leverage taken away
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: maybe From Walker kessler's camp in that, Regard, yes bringing
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: in A Jaron jackson junior very.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Much, Absolutely, hey we love, you we love you at
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: a certain. Number and now the discussion is not at
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the discussion now between The jazz And walker's, representation it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: it's you wanted to work. Out but now there's an
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: element of, leverage whether it's talked out loud or whether
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: it's perceived. Leverage by having A Jaron jackson junior, here
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: it helps The jazz as far as trying to get
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: a reasonable. Number as, always once you understand the economics of,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: it you don't want to overpay dramatically that's a catchword,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: now dramatically on a. Player unless you're really close to
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: being a, champion then everything changes. Then but The jet
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: still in that they're heading votes certainly by making these,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: traits but they're not really in a championship level. Yet
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: hopefully in the next few years they will. Be but
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: let's first make the. Playoffs if you're A jazz point of.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: View next part of that is That Isaiah kalia is
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: a big part of this group right. Now the way he,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: plays so a lot of times you can slide Over
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: count De georgia at two, guard which is really effective
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: at So i'll Call Count he's really a guard and
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: he's good at. It he does pass the. Ball he
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: average like six point eight six per game this. Season
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: but he's really really a good Score that's what he
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: does best is score the. Ball And, kalia that guy's
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: past happy and he's really he's also. Underrated and so
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Now Ace billy is a major young. Talent that guy is.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Good AND i love About Ace bailly is that he's
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: really an efficient. Shooter like if you, remember he's only
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: twenty years, Old so he's shooting the ball really relatively,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: efficiently like forty six point five percent from the, field
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: which is really. Good now he's got to get better,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: defensively and that's what. Technique that's understanding your, body moving
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: your feet plenty, angles use your, hands see so much
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: in any, sport you have to be able to coordinate
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: your feet with your hands become a defensive. Player and
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: that's all The jazz across by right. Now BUT i
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: do think The jazz are pointing in the right. Direction,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: yeah as you, Mentioned Ace, bailey pretty efficient. Shooter forty
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: five percent from the, field thirty five percent from, downtown
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: seventy one percent from the free throw. Line he's gonna
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: up those numbers a little, bit as you'd. Expect it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: the defensive side of the ball with him if he
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: can join the cohorts on The Utah jazz And Jaron
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Jackson junior and others in. PLAYING i think a little
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: more intensity on the defensive end would help One Ase. Bailey,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: now one more breaking news update for The Los Angeles
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: clippers trading of Each zubach to The. Pacers they're Sending
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: benedict Mathern Isaiah jackson in two first round second or
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: first round picks one second round pick to The Clipper
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: clippers For zubach And Kobe brown as. Well that's a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: kind of a salary. Filler that's a that's a pretty
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: big haul for one of the only like traditional centers
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: right now in THE. Nba what do you what do
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: you feel About indiana sending that type of hall for For. Zubac,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: okay it's surprised because zubats, first he's got really a
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: great friendly. Contract so it's the most amazing. Thing so
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: we talked About Walker kester And Jaka pertlal making twenty
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: eight million dollars a year Is zubat's contract this year
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: eighteen point one, million next year nineteen point, five put
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: it twenty, seven twenty, eight twenty point. Nine so the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: contract is absolutely in THE nba as far as arithmetic
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: is at this he, said it's a. Tame now the
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: pace those, guys let's not forget see The pacers. There
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: this is a class example where none ever talks about. Them,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: oh by the, way last year there were one half
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: away BEING nba champions Without haliburton going, down and they
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: moved on From Myles turner because they knew something that
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: we didn't.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Know. Porter guess what is?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: That He they like his, talent but they saw the
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: things that he couldn't do right in front of the
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: side of. Them, also a lot of times you see
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: players at the. Worst porter at three o'clock in the
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: morning on a five game loosen, streak you see a
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: guy on the airplane above sea level thirty five thousand
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: feet and guess, what doesn't really care about, winning all,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Right so they moved them, on and so now they
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Get zobots as a big guy to play With haliburton next.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Season and they moved on to The. Clippers now The
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: clippers point of, View i'm surprised they would do. That
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: so they have a leap of faith right now The
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: clippers that they think The clippers now they think that
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: they can get away With Brook lopez this year is
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: a backup. Center now start Play, quase former jazz Man
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: John collins at, center somewhat at. Center and then the
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: biggest thing right now is the rookie guy From Penn State,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: needenhauser who's picking up a thirty by them last. Season
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: they think that his upside is much more grater Than
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: zubats and they think that they can piecemeal it this
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: season right. Now so The clippers Added Darius. Garland they
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: made that great trade For James harden For Darius. Garland
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: they gained ten years on. That they gay ten years on.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: That but is a risk involved right. Now The clippers
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: of the oldest team in THE, nba, oldest, oldest, oldest
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: and The warriors are second.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Oldest let's let's zero in on some of the non
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: jazz trades as we get to the other. Side Cordy
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Gordy chiasa in studio with, us a long Time Utah
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: jazz coach and of course with us here ON esp
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: seven hundred ninety two point one for a how long
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: have you been doing this radio thing just since you
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: hung it?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Up, yeah for the last eight, Years.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Okay eight years going on a decade or so doing
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: some radio. Stuff always Appreciate gordy's. Time it is The
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: sean O'Connell show on A. THURSDAY i Am Porter larson
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: filling In James peterson behind the. Glass we'll be back
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: with More gordy on the other SIDE nfl in the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: one pm hour and we'll go from. There on A,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: thursday IT'S espn seven hundred and ninety two point ONE.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Fm as you were listening to The sean O'Connell show
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: from The Murdoch Hunding studio OF espn seven hundred and
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: ninety two One.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Fmtursday welcome.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Back it is The shawn O'Connell show ON espn seven
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: hundred ninety two point ONE, fm your home of The
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: utes and. More it Is utah's number one sports. Talk
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: proud to be part Of UTAH'S Espn radio. NETWORK i
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Am Porter larson filling in FOR oc. Today you've Got
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: bryce And biannucci filling in FOR oc, tomorrow and then
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of course The drive With spence Check its comes your
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: way each and every. AFTERNOON i will be along for
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: the ride on that. Show we've Got Gordy chiyasa in
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: studio with us right now talking Some jazz and SOME.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Nba we went through The jazz trades so, far what they,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: added what they, lost where that leaves them in contract
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: talks going Into july with One Walker. Kessler now we'll
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: go around to THE nba a little bit as more
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: trades are, developing And, gordy we're gonna we're gonna rewind
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a little. Bit go back To february, third.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: The Chicago.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Bulls they brought In Mike, Conley Jaden, ivy sending Out Kevin,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Herder Dario sarich and a twenty twenty six first round
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: protected pick from The. Timberwolves now that one intrigues me
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: because number, One Mike, conley a guy that we're very
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: familiar with. Here but it's also one of the only
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: picks traded this year so. Far that, is in twenty twenty.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Six the league is telling, us without telling us out,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: loud that they value twenty twenty six picks a whole
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: lot more than they do twenty twenty, seven twenty twenty.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Eight AND i think that that's obvious to tell, Why
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: BUT i wonder from your, experience your, perspective and maybe
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: just looking at some of the, prospects why teams are
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: so willing to move off of these twenty twenty seven.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Picks the reason why this year should be a really tremendous.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Draft so most teams want to stay in the, draft
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: and if they, don't they like to trade into, it
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: and so they'll they'll trade future out they try to
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: be in this year's. Draft and The bulls are an
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: interesting team because they've been stuck in the middle right
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: now of the plane tornet for the last few. Years
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: and so right now the twenty four and twenty seven
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and he mentioned Fim Mike, Connedy Mike, conley former jazz
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: man who's a he's a thirty eight years young and
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: he got traded, twice ready to. Supporter he got traded
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: From minnesota To, chicago And chicago traded him this morning
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: to The. Hornets So Mike conley's on The hornets right.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Now AND i read an article that he might go
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: back to The Tea. Wolves they might just let him
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: go as far as a. Buyout he gets back to original,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: team the Te. Wolves so here's the if you're A bulls,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: fan here's The bulls did right. Now they added Uh Darius.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Savage they Added Jaden, ivy who's very good from The,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: pistons who will give them a good. Boost they edited
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Also Infony simon's from The, celts who's a good player
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: who could be the Sixth man of The, Year Leonard,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: miller they also added from The Tea. Wolves they had
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Also Rob dillingham from The Tea. Wolves then they Added
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Colin sexon of Jazz men from The Charlotte hornets And
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Usman jane from The. Thunder so they're really active because
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: for The bull's point of, view enough of, this enough of,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: this are just being in the middle of. It they're
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: going to try to go all in to attempt to
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: get into the top six to make the, playoffs to
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: show their fan base and ownership level that they can
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: get better right.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Now so that's an interesting. Thing The.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Cavaliers, okay these guys The cavaliers they edited at the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: trading deadline then As shrewder And Kean ellis from The Sacramento.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Kings And Kean ellis is very. Good he's a defensive
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: player that can guard the ball and also he's a
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: calmer utility player where he can play both, one two and.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Three because of the, size he's a much very better
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: version of Former jazz three former youth Standout dylon, right
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: that's what he plays. Like and they also they also
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: added obviously the biggest one With James. Harden so the
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: question now for The cavaliers who won sixty games last
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: year but had back to back years they got knocked
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: out in the playoffs really early last. Year in the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: playoffs they beat The heat four zero and lost to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: The pacers four games to. One so Now James harden is.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: There so Now James harden And Donovan, Mitchell Evan mobley
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: And Jared allen And Kean ellis And Dennis shrewder and
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Former Utah state Aggie Sam, merrill can those guys get
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: deeper in the playoffs? Philosophically so here's here's the question
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: to you And, james do you think That James harden
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: And Donvin mitchell can coexist with the? Ball with both
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: guys are ball? Dominant that was WHAT i.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Was about to ask ask, You not only is there
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: enough basketballs In cleveland to support both of those, guys
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: is there enough air in the basketballs to you, know
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: keep it while they dribbled year out of the. BALL
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: i don't, Know, Gordy that's that's a tall. Ask for
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Both James harden And Donovan, mitchell because each of those
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: guys are gonna have to adjust their game a little
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: bit to fit the other guy in very.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Much so that's the.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Question, hey we love each, other that he's my, cousin
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and so we're going to make it work right, Now
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and no one knows the answer until The. Calves you're
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: not judge regular. Season you're judged by the. Playoffs whether you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Minimum for The calves point of, view is that minimum
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you get to the conference. Finals and you know by The.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Calves The calves are of the highest paid payroll in THE.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Nba however they shed basically ninety million dollars off their
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: tax penalty and moving guys. Around, Now James, harden we
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: know it's on the. Contract he's gonna opt out and
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: probably he helps to sign a new tier year deal
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: In july first for roughly forty million dollars year times
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: two he goes eighty. Million And James harden right now
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: he just fin he gets that. Contract he'll be thirty
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: nine years. Old so there's a risk involved for The.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Cavaliers but another another part of, that as far as
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the palace, intrigue ah by the, Way Donovan mitchell's up
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: for the Extension Supermax july.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: First so The cavs they're.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: All in as we speak right now to try to
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: get and beat out their, competition which right now is The,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: pistons The king From, apartment The, knicks The. Celtics they're
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: all ahead of them right. Now so who knows the.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Answer we're gonna find out porter roughly sometime In.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: May James Donovan, Mitchell James. Harden are there enough basketballs
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: not only In, cleveland but in the entire state Of
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: ohio for those two guys to run an?
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: OFFENSE i, Listen James harden is going to fool people
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: the second half of the.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Season i'm Not there's no doubt about.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: It he always he, always he always makes himself and
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: his team look really good in the regular, season particularly post.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Trade right and we're very familiar With James harden post
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: trade at this. Point this is his fourth team in
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: the last six. Years SO i THINK i think he's
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Gonna we're gonna go into the playoffs going, yeah this
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: this might just. Work but then we're gonna get into the,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: playoffs he's gonna disappoint again and he's got might disappoint
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: some again in the, playoffs although he typically plays well.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Individually but THERE'S i don't, KNOW I I i think
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: this is a recipe for disaster For. Cleveland far be
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: it for me to disparage Another james's name, Though James.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Harden oh you're going To.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: JAMES i like, That. James and by the, Way James.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Peterson cleveland is the home of the rock And Roll
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: hall Of.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Fame this is.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: True, yeah SO i want to make that point about
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: it that he put any, way be on just talking
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: about THE nba right now to make that point speaking
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: making me a.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Point you do want to ask, though before we move.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: On, okay it's not just the ball dominance of those two,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: players what about the defensive side very? MUCH i, Mean
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: donovan has some some good defensive traits and, skills but
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: he just hasn't ever been A i would, say a plus.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Defender and then With, harden he's an interesting. One he's
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: led the league in steals, before but he a lot
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: of times he's getting those steals on like you, know
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: behind the, Back, OH i got, Beat i'm gonna tap
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the ball. Out he's good at getting into passing, lanes
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: but as a one on one. Defender he plays WHAT
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: i like to Call ola, defense right where you're trying
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to not necessarily stay in front of a Guy, gordy
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: but you're trying to funnel him into the good defender behind.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: You.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Right The jazz saw a bunch of this With Rudy,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: gobert where, yeah you your player may not have scored
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Because Rudy gobert was your, backup but you allowed him
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to get into the lane and break down the defense
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: and then kick it out to the. Corner that's something
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: That James harden IS i don't want to say really
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: good at because it's not a good trait in my.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Opinion he does it a, lot, though where you just
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: see him kind of open, up let a guy, penetrate
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and then hope that there's a good defender behind. Him
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: For James, harden, luckily there's usually been a good defender behind,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: him A Clint, cappella A zoo Bots a now A Jared.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Allen but, man that can only work so often when you're.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Playing LIKE i, Said i'd like to call it ola.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Defense, yeah very. Much.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: So in the, playoffs you get exposed your lack of,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: defense and there's a risk involved, certainly but The cavs
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: are willing to do that as far as they're going
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: to try to have a high octane offense where they're
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: going to try to outscore, people and we'll find out
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: if that's also it's going to happen as far as
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: in the. Playoffs, lakers there's so Many laker fans living
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: here In So Lake city from so so many al,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: right so, yeah it's almost like when The jazz play The.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Lakers unfortunately that there's so Many laker fans that are coming.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Here all, Right, Lakers Austin, reeves that guy is very.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Good he's up for the. Extension they're gonna give it to.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Him so The, lakers it again sounds weird saying, it
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: but they hung in there so. Far they're thirty and
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: nineteen and that they're right now they're a sixth. Seed
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: they Get Austin reeves, back it's gonna. Help but they
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: also edit today Lu. Canard lukenard is a knockdown shooter
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: roughly forty two point five percent koreer from the. Field
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: he's A, southpaw and so when they double Team luker
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: on perimeter or double Team Lebron james in the mid
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: block or he also on perimeter And lukenard's in the,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: game they're both gonna be swing swing swing for a
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: corner three point. Shot so they most times when the
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: when The lebron's teams when they're not as successful despite
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: him playing great most of the, time is that their
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: lack of shooting from his from his floormates on. Perimeter
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: by adding him right, now Well lukenod will help them very.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Much and so that was really.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Underraty the trade Was Gabe, vincent who overch youw with The.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Heat he.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Struggled he struggled right now WITH u WITH uh with The,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: lakers he moves on and he Had, Lukenoid so that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: a smart move by.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Them another DEAL i wanted to ask you about was
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: The Oklahoma thunder picking Up jared McCain From. Philadelphia The
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: sixers get a first round pick via The rockets that's
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: gonna be kind of a middle ground, pick and then
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: three second round, picks so four draft picks for One jared,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: McCain who he's been injured a little, bit but, man
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: he was really good last. Year AND i think the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: thing that stands out to me is his fit with
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the okc roster a team that you, know just won
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: AN nba title. ALREADY i really like What Sam presty's
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: doing AND i really like this deal for, okay see
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: what say?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You very? Much.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: So jared McCain is the guy that played for the
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: seventy six ers and his rookie season he was absolutely.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Sensational then he got hurt and now he's what happened
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: with the seventy six. Ers J edgecombe rookie has played
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: very well for, them And Terse maxi is one of
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: the top ten players in THE. Nba so it's almost
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: like a logjam of all these guys ones in his.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Prime once a young fella gonna be in prime. Someday
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: so McCain was the odd guy. Out The thunder absolutely
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: added him and so he's gonna help. Them see there's
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: a Guy Nicola topicch that the last year was picked
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: From serbia by The thunder at the twelfth.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Pick he had.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Surgery this, Year adam is surgery hasn't played the whole,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: year so just in case that it doesn't work out for,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: him they backlogged that With jared, McCain who is a,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: scorer defensive player and knows how to play the. Game
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and so now with Sha, Jos, Alexander Cason wallace who
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: also see again it's all part of. It Porter they've
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: got to pay him adventure. Someday so just say they
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: don't Pay Cason, wallace then jere McCain that is really
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: the heir apparent to be the backup guard because shake
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and play also off the, ball to say the. Least
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: so again it's it's not it's ALL i called The domino.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Theory as far as we trade for guys just in
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: case someone we can't resign we think we, can maybe
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: they can't for for other. Reasons then they have they
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: have the guy to play. There it's really a smart. Play,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: also they Added Mason. Plumbley NOW i Know Mason plumbley
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: starts fouling on layup. LINES i get it during. GAMES
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: i understand, that AND i know that also that he
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: has a weird foul shot where he's sort of he's right,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: handed but now he shoots foul shot left handed because
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: he's so bad right. Handed all, right but what he
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: does do it gets another big. Man but they moved
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: on From. Austin they moved on From. Usman so now
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: they Have, hartenstein they Have Chet holmgrim and they Have
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Mason plumley for the rest of this season to be
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: a physical presence to play, inside to play against The
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: rockets big, guys and also to play Against Nikolai, jokic
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: to play Against. Wembiamba so, again yet it a big
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: guy just to put a, body put his numbers on
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: numbers to try to slow those other big guys down
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: of their arch.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Rivals and that's obviously a big piece of this is
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: trying to build your roster not just the style of
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: hoops that you want to, play but also to combat
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: the types of players that are dominating in today's.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Age all, Right, gordy we're gonna take a.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Break on the final, segment we're gonna recap the trades
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of the day and we're gonna take it right up
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: to THE nba trade, deadline and we'll Get gordy's list
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: of the day as.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Well all that's still to.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Come on The sean O'Connell, SHOW i Am Porter, Larson
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: James peterson taking us through it behind the, glass keeping
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: us on the. Rails The drive With Spence checkets comes
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: your way about two, pm and by then we'll have
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: THE nba trade.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Deadline all wrapped up and put a bow.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: On for the twenty twenty six, season we'll Preview Super
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: bowl sixty and maybe revisit some mute storylines in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: one o'clock hour as. Well right here On utah's number
• 43:16
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• 43:27
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• 43:29
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• 43:32
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• 43:37
  Speaker 3: To ONE a f, am welcome back in The sean O'Connell.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Show just about to go into the final hour of
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: THE Oc. SHOW i Am Porter larson filling in WHILE
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: oc heads To dubai for some fight, action of, course
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: calling things for The Pro Fighters league ON. Espn tune
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: in this weekend AS oc does his, thing it's list
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: time with our Guy Gordy. Chiasa we'll Get gordy's list
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: of the day and then in about six minutes we
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: will have the trade deadline in THE nba with a
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: bow on. It So, gordy it's an assist list on
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: This thursday. Afternoon give us the. Loaddown what the jazz career. Assists,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: yeah WHAT i hear very.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Much, yeah today's List Porter Utah jazz franchise leaders in
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Total korea.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Assist should we guess some of? These and number one
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: in the jazz shoot of.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: One number, one of course will Be John i'm gonna
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: guess just a few that might. Appear Darren, williams he'll
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: be on.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: There, Uh Carlos, arroyo you're a sick. MAN i worry about.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You your mental health Is Derrik fisher on? THERE i
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: worry about. You And James peterson he wasn't there long.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: ENOUGH i worry about, you, GUYS i might RUB i
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: worry about, you. Guys korea. Assists i'll give it to
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: you right. Now for first, thing what's an? ASSIST i
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: make this? Question is that asks me often over the,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: years what's an? Exist an assist is a pass from
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: one player to a teammate that directly leads to a
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: floormate's made. Basket, yes it's possible to take one dribble
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: that leads to a direct. Basket yes it. Is here's
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: my list. Today number Ten Adrian dantley one, thousand seven
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: hundred and Two Korea. Assists number Nine Gordon haywood one,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: thousand seven hundred and sixty. Two number, Eight Pete maravich
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: one thousand and eight forty.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Four of, Course.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Number, Seven Jeff hornisack one, thousand eight hundred and ninety.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Five number six the Jazz russian, Comet Andre carolinko one,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: thousand nine hundred and.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Nineteen carl's got to be on this, list just out
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: of sheer. Time i'll throw that in.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: There number.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Five he was the jumbo dime. Deliverer he's the best
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: ever lefty passer in jazz. History think about, it jumbo
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: passer like another. Hint, well you can call him all the.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Time james AND i And alsie with a. Swag Joe
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Joe ingles with two, thousand two hundred and Thirteen korea.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Dimes number Four Darren williams four thousand and, Three number,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: three his nickname was the fastest of the. Fast Ricky
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: green four, thousand one point fifty.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Nine number. Two he's also the.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Third leading score in the history OF nba Basketball Call
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: malone called delivered five thousand and eighty five assists and
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: number One John stockton the highest total IN nba. History
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: accumulation during your brilliant nineteen year old Career john assisted
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: on fifteen, thousand eight hundred and six, assists which comes
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: to ten point five assists per. Game quickly Present jazz
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Notes Kyante george has one thousand and twenty One korea
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: assists only in his third, season so he's going to
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: keep climbing this. List and let's give a shout. Out
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: he's playing tonight In, Atlanta Georgia Isaiah kalia only his second.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Season he's Avags Forth's korea six point six assists per,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: game which comes to seven hundred and forty nine. Assists
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: and last game against The, Pacers Isaiah kalia had twenty
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: two sweet looking.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Dimes and you Mentioned kiante is already over one. Thousand
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: kiante right now is onenty twenty, one.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: So he's already in the top. Twenty yeah very. Much,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: yeah only his third.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Season so again To, jazz we talk about who they
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: traded for, today today's ago should say the guys they had,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Had but the guys right, now Both Isaiah kalia And Kiante,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: george those guys really are pass. Happy so as The
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: jazz go, forward see The jazz right now in tonight's,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: game let's not again they played tonight In. Atlanta tonight's
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: gain supporter number one assists of the, team The Atlanta.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Hawks number two is The. Jazz so the two passing
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: teams in THE nba are playing tonight In, Atlanta.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Georgia the one that stands out, there AND i mentioned,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: It Karl malone being number two on The jazz all
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: time assist list is probably surprising to a lot of,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Folks but when you think of the time he spent
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: in A jazz, uniform and Then, gordy if you think
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: back that guy when he got the ball on the
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: block a lot of, times saw double, teams a lot
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: of times saw at least the guy uh stepping down
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: from the top of the key and swiping at that,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: ball and he was pretty good at getting rid of.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: It now sometimes he just take on the double team
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and go. Score that's kind Of carl's but he was
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: pretty good at passing out of the out of the.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Block five thousand plus assists for a guy that high
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: on the all time scoring list is quietly, Impressive oh very.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Much. YEH i used to describe, there that's The jazz
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: cutting series where calling the ball in the mid, block
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: the first thing is always when he gets, ready you
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: get the. Ball you always look. Middle we called check the,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: dots the dots on the, floor so you're mid post.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Player Brian russell right, There you got that, Right so
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: add to this so with the, ASSISTING i always Kid Brian,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: RUSSELL i always Kid.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Andre.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Carolinko, uh the five greatest cutters of all time and
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: jazz basketball are in any, Order.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Carolinko another, List, no it's many. Lists, no just part
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Segue unofficial, List, Yeah carolinko, One, harpering, Two Brian, russell,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Three Shandon andson four and five hopefully on the jazz
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: list right. Now somebody five playing for the jazz right.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Now so Picture Carol lingko in that like that dive,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Cut Brian, Russell Matt, Opering Shandon anderson and number.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Five let's hope It's Ace belly.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Someday great him him coming at six' nine dashing down
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: the lane for what that give and.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Gold cut another reason that we we Like That vince
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: williams pick up quietly because he's a really. Good cutter
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: he's good at moving without, the ball. MOVING backside a
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: lot of times it's just guys with HIGH basketball iq
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: that they can they can, do that, All. Right gordy it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Is OFFICIAL the nba trade deadline has. Coming Past the
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: bucks Are keeping Giannisana to compo. And uh, of course
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: the last big trade that we saw of Each of
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: zubats To the Pacers For benedict Mather And, isaiah jackson
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: two first round picks and a second. Round pick the
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: one we didn't quite get, to really which was a decent,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Sized Trade jonathan kaminga To the Hawks for Chris tops
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: porzingis and a second. Round Pick the hawks Get again
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Cominga And, buddy healed and Then the raptors get a
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: big Man In Trace. JACKSON davis i don't Know. Christops
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: porzingis five years ago that would have been a, big
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: move but.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: IT doesn't i just don't know how much he does For.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: The warriors what do you feel like with a guy
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: with that unique of a skill set being Outed Alongside.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Stephen, coe well the first thing is that his.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Contracts up he makes thirty point six million, this year
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: so it's almost like. A rental you got that right for,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: one season and For the warrior's point, of view there's.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: No future it's like, right now and so.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: They didn't they didn't give up they which are glad
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: they know they Still have bozinski who's very Good In,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: moses moody who's very good. Young player so They added
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: berzingis to Help, al haffit who's thirty nine. Years, Young,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: right brazingis he's a. Shop blocker he's light, of weight
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: but he does he does can stretch. The floor and
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: so the risk involved right now is that is that
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: you can't.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: We, sign them but they had to.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Do It jimmy butler's out for, this season and you
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: don't want to Waste Another steph curry's brilliance as far
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: as him one not making the playoffs and if do
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: you make, the playoffs trying to get past minimum into the.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Second round so it makes sense for where they are.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Right now he gives them a, shot blocker a three point.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Shooting thread He Helps al haffed as far as in.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: The lane almost like to play in harmony, right now
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: And A. Draymond green you could Play al hofford at
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: stretch For if ping, got five if drummend gets in
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: foul trouble or he starts wigging out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: In games, All, right gordy what do you want to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: see From the jazz over the next few weeks where
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: you may get some of these, trade pieces you may
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: see them on, the floor but you still understand that
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: there's a bonus On the jazz to position themselves for.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: The draft it's hard because you want to see some
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: of the fruits of the returns of the, trade deadline
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: but you may just get more ANGLING For nba.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Draft in twenty.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Twenty six what what do you want to see from
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: some of the individual players that came this, way.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Well and just improve defensively as far as the whole group,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: right now and those new players get used To the,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: jazz system so help them learn the terminology as far
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: as what offensively and, defensive schemes and they add to.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: The group But if I'm the jazz, Right now i'm
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: gonna try everything possible to protect that eighth pick. Or
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: lower i'm not gonna risk it. Right now you. Can't
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: go so if you had to sit some people, QUOTE
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: rest i would do that because in a, big picture,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Right now jas got better. Right now they had some
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: home runs at the deadline, Trade deadline but don't give
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: up the future right now because the future right now is.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Still evolving we like what they did at.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: The deadline but at the, same time everything you did
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: at the deadline is angled towards also having that top,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: eight pick so you just can't. Sacrifice it that's just
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the reality of the, jazz situation, All, right gordy our
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: ONE o'clock nfl insider Is. Ansel donna so we're gonna need,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: your pick your your Insight On super Bowl Sixty. Seahawks
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: patriots where we're?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Going here Oh? Upset patriots? Oh really? Oh, upset yeah
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: very that's Just your northeastern, guy, though.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, upsets Hey, the patriots they're a. PROUD team i
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: guess that's.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Exactly, right yeah you have a unique one here where
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: you've you've got some time at.
• 54:21
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• 54:23
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• 54:41
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• 54:44
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• 54:46
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