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Speaker 1: He's the report.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight, Batten down the hatches. China
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Speaker 2: is not happy after President Trump gave the all clear
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Speaker 2: for the Orcus submarine deal, and the Prime Minister will
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Speaker 2: stick by Ambassador Kevin Rudd. That's despite the humiliating slap
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Speaker 2: down from Donald Trump. I'll discuss both of those stories
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Speaker 2: and more with Caleb Bond and Michael Costa later in
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Speaker 2: the show. Rowan Dean will join me to discuss why
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Speaker 2: people are questioning whether or not our Foreign Minister Penny
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Speaker 2: Wong ever studied geography. She's not sure whether Jerusalem is
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Speaker 2: located in Israel. Meanwhile, jd Vance visits Israel. We'll ask
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Speaker 2: if the peace in the Middle East will hold. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy about that.
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Speaker 2: And is Victoria trying to imp I meant the voice
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Speaker 2: by Stealth. I think you know the answer, but I'll
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Speaker 2: discuss it with Joe Hildebrand and Christy McSweeney shortly. First,
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Speaker 2: forget the crime crisis in Victoria. Victoria's police commissioner, Well,
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Speaker 2: he's got his own crisis. It's been revealed he used
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Speaker 2: the police helicopter to fly to a conference in Hobart
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Speaker 2: on Monday. Now, the police helicopter is supposed to be
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Speaker 2: used for well, you know, policing, search and rescue, catching crims,
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But Police Commissioner Mike Bush, who
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Speaker 2: was appointed by the Labor government in June, repurposed the
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Speaker 2: police chopper as his personal uber. And it's not a
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Speaker 2: cheap uber ten thousand dollars an hour while in the sky.
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Speaker 2: I will say this, it didn't take long for mister Bush,
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Speaker 2: who was recruited from New Zealand, to get into the
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Speaker 2: swing of how things are done, just into Allen's state.
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Speaker 2: The commissioner told three AW radio this morning that he
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Speaker 2: regretted the decision.
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Speaker 3: That was my decision to do this. I regret it.
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Speaker 3: If this doesn't land well with the public, you've got
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Speaker 3: to front it. It was my decision alone and it's
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Speaker 3: one I will never make again. Commercial flight would have
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Speaker 3: been the most appropriate way.
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Speaker 2: To write it didn't land well with the public. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure if he meant that pun but credit where
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Speaker 2: credit's due. As for his admission that a commercial flight
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Speaker 2: would have been more appropriate, well, I would have thought
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Speaker 2: that was obvious. The cost of a commercial flight between
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and Hobart is between one hundred and fifty and
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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, but saving taxpayer money well obvious to
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Speaker 2: taxpayers never seems terribly obvious to government ministers and public servants.
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Speaker 2: Further to his comments on three AW, the Commissioner released
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Speaker 2: a statement saying, and I quote, we should have looked
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Speaker 2: harder for a commercial flight. Well, I've got to say
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Speaker 2: should have looked harder. You're looking for a flight to Hobart,
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Speaker 2: not searching for the ark of the Covenant. How do
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Speaker 2: you look harder for a commercial flight? I find web
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Speaker 2: dot com dot au helpful. It takes less than a
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Speaker 2: minute and the thought process required as roughly the same
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Speaker 2: as tying your shoelacers. When it comes to commercial flights,
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Speaker 2: it's not like they're elusive and rare. There's no need
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Speaker 2: to look harder. You just look and book. He added,
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Speaker 2: and I quote again, While there were no impacts on
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Speaker 2: our operational capacity, community safety or financial costs to Victorian
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Speaker 2: Police as the flight fell within our contracted hours with
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Speaker 2: the air wing provider, it creates a poor impression at
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Speaker 2: a challenging time for our organization. Well, it certainly does so.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it created a great impression with New Zealand
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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner Richard Chambers, who shared the chopper with his
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Speaker 2: former colleague. Here's the impression the rest of us got.
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Speaker 2: It kind of seems like there was no reason to
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Speaker 2: use the police helicopter as a taxi to Tazzy, other
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Speaker 2: than as a flex for his mate from across the ditch. Still,
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Speaker 2: the police media team, bless their imaginations, was trying to
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Speaker 2: defend the indefensible. Spokesperson told The Herald's son they used
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Speaker 2: the police helicopter because there were concerns that wind gusts
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Speaker 2: of one hundred kilometers an hour might prevent a fixed
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Speaker 2: wing aircraft from landing in Hobart. The wind was blowing
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Speaker 2: at one hundred klometers an hour, so we took the
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Speaker 2: chopper you're having us on. And by the way, there
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Speaker 2: were no reports of commercial flight delays into Hobart on
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Speaker 2: Monday and Allen government spokesperson said the government is aware
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Speaker 2: that the Chief Commissioner traveled to Tasmania for the Australian
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Speaker 2: and New Zealand Police Commissioners Forum, attended by the Police
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Speaker 2: Commissioners of all states and territories and New Zealand. Victoria
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Speaker 2: Police advisers there was no impact to community safety and
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Speaker 2: no operational impact. Well fine, but that's pure luck, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: The commissioner had no way of knowing whether the police
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Speaker 2: chopper would be needed for policing when he used it
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Speaker 2: as a taxi. And if there had been an emergency,
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Speaker 2: what would the government have said then? I imagine you
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Speaker 2: sent to Alan have given him a stern talking to
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Speaker 2: about not getting caught. Meanwhile, back on Terra Firma, ordinary
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Speaker 2: police are being told to cut back on costs. In March,
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Speaker 2: Victorian police were told to find two billion dollars in
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Speaker 2: savings over the next four years because the government was
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Speaker 2: running out of money. Just a few months ago, Victorian
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Speaker 2: police were told they could not afford gardeners to maintain
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Speaker 2: lawns and gardens outside their police stations. A police spokeswoman
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Speaker 2: told The Herald's Son the organization continues to operate in
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Speaker 2: a challenging fiscal environment. As a result, it's important that
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Speaker 2: existing funds are prioritized towards continuing to keep the community safe.
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Speaker 2: This has resulted in Victoria Police opting to cease all
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Speaker 2: ground maintenance at police stations for the remainder of the
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Speaker 2: current financial year. Question the blades from choppers keep the
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Speaker 2: grass at a decent length. I'm asking for a friend
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Speaker 2: of the crime crisis. Well, I guess you can't see
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Speaker 2: crime if you fly above it. Here's the real kicker.
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Speaker 2: Though Commissioner Bush has promised to fly back to Melbourne
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Speaker 2: on a commercial flight. This is one problem. The police
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Speaker 2: helicopter still has to return, so now Victorians will be
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Speaker 2: slugged even more money. That's efficiency the Victorian addition. Perhaps
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Speaker 2: there's something, however, to salvage out of this episode. The
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Speaker 2: police Commissioner was at least contrite here. He was on
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Speaker 2: ABC Radio this morning.
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Speaker 4: It was the wrong call.
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Speaker 5: So I definitely reflected on this and whilst I could
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Speaker 5: probably rationalize this technically, I'm very aware of the perception
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Speaker 5: around us, and perceptions are critically important to the public.
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Speaker 5: We're here to build and have the public's trust and confidence.
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Speaker 5: So that's why it was the wrong call. It's a
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Speaker 5: very important conference for us for us all. But you know,
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Speaker 5: I could have been more patient and more diligent in
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Speaker 5: terms of taking a commercial flight instead of using our helicopter.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's as close to an apology as
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Speaker 2: anyone in Victoria has heard from a government official in
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Speaker 2: the past decade. I suppose at least he had the
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Speaker 2: decency to read the room and apologize. Compare that to
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Speaker 2: the Premier fronting the media and telling everyone Melbourne is
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Speaker 2: a safe place despite all evidence to the contrary. Now,
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Speaker 2: if only the Commissioner could find a proper way back
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne, maybe chase some actual criminals, and keep his
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Speaker 2: uber Chopper fantasies grounded, Victoria might have a fighting chance.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people in Australia are still smiling today
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Speaker 2: after the slap down Kevin Rudd received at the White
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Speaker 2: House yesterday. The US President didn't just tell Rudd he
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Speaker 2: was disliked. He delivered it with all the subtlety of
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Speaker 2: a jackhammer on a Sunday morning. But let's not kid ourselves.
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Speaker 2: Just because the President told Kevin Rudd straight to his
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Speaker 2: face that he's about as popular as a mosquito picnic,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean Rudd suddenly packing his bags for camera.
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Speaker 2: Q Anthony Albinezi emerging like a stagehand desperate to save
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Speaker 2: the show, defending his colleague with all the conviction of
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Speaker 2: someone explaining why a sinking ship is actually progressing towards
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Speaker 2: the horizon. Watch closely. This is a masterclass in political delusion.
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Speaker 7: He is an outstanding Australian representative and it says something
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Speaker 7: about as I said to President Trump, yes, it says
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Speaker 7: something about the importance that we place in the relationship
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Speaker 7: with the United States that a former prime minister is
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Speaker 7: their ambassador here. It's something that isn't the norm. It's
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Speaker 7: something that certainly Kevin didn't need to do, but it
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Speaker 7: was a part of his service to Australia. And I
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Speaker 7: thank you today very much publicly for the success of
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Speaker 7: this visit is down to your hard work.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Michael Costa forming his South Wales
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Speaker 2: Treasurer and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Guys, welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program. I'll start with you, Michael. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of ALBANIZI publicly praising Albanesi today, but of course
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Speaker 2: yesterday he was publicly laughing at him.
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Speaker 8: Look, I was going to come on here and defend Aldo,
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Speaker 8: but after hearing that, I'm changing my mind. Look, yesterday
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Speaker 8: was a great day for Australia and a great day
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Speaker 8: for the government and I think that's what's important to me.
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Speaker 4: You know, Rud's always had tickets on himself and.
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Speaker 8: We know that, and I had to deal with him
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Speaker 8: when I was treasurer and I I tell you you know,
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Speaker 8: if there was anybody that was a case study in
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Speaker 8: the Peter principle, it was Kevin rudders prime minister. Maybe
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Speaker 8: him taking a step back as ambassador is the reverse principle,
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Speaker 8: reaching probably a level of confidence. And look it's up
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Speaker 8: to Albo if he wants to keep him there, that's fine.
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Speaker 8: The deals done. Trump is sort of turn a blind
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Speaker 8: eye to it or embarrassed him sufficiently to let the
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Speaker 8: relationship go. But look that defense that Dowboy just gave
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Speaker 8: was pretty pathetic and actually sickening if you listened to it.
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Speaker 2: Caleb Trump apparently told Kevin Rudd all is forgiven. And
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Speaker 2: so the Prime Minister reckons it's play on is it?
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Speaker 9: I think it probably is. I mean the main point
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Speaker 9: is whether or not Rudd being there is doing any
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Speaker 9: damage to Australia. And look, I'd love to give Kevin
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Speaker 9: Rudd a kick. I've given him a kick many times.
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Speaker 9: I don't think he was much chop as a Prime
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Speaker 9: minister but you'd have to say, after negotiating and getting
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Speaker 9: that rare earth minerals deal across the line, that Rudd
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Speaker 9: has done a good job in the US and he's
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Speaker 9: well respected across the divide in the United States.
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Speaker 2: He's found a job that he seems to be.
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Speaker 9: Quite good at. And so as much as I'd like
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Speaker 9: to give him a kick, and yes, he ought to
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Speaker 9: lose his job, etc. I think he's actually been reasonably
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Speaker 9: effective in the US. I think Trump had that little
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Speaker 9: dig because the opportunity was thrown at him, and I
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Speaker 9: think Trump also wanted to avoid criticizing the government if
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Speaker 9: you listened to the entirety of Clonel's question, lots of
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Speaker 9: other things he could have picked on, but he wasn't
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Speaker 9: keen to do that yesterday. So Rudd was the easiest
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Speaker 9: thing to pick on. And besides, if Rudd were to
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Speaker 9: be sent packing from the United States, it would mean
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Speaker 9: he'd probably have to come back to Australia, and I'd
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Speaker 9: much rather he'd be over there annoying Yanks than back
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Speaker 9: here annoying Australians.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't help but feel maybe that's part of
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi strategy as well. Certainly that was the case
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Speaker 2: that was put forward when Albanezi announced Rudd would be
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Speaker 2: going to the United States, far far away from domestic politics.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee was one unlike you, Caleb, who was calling
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Speaker 2: for Rudd to be sacked after the White House dust up,
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Speaker 2: but have listened to what her colleague Jane Hume said
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Speaker 2: on the issue today.
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Speaker 10: There is no doubt that the prime that the President
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Speaker 10: made a bit of a goose of Kevin Rudd, and
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Speaker 10: perhaps so he should for those ill advised, ill considered
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Speaker 10: tweets that he made. Such that was a while ago.
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Speaker 10: I think though that the call for Kevin Rudd to
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Speaker 10: resign or stand down, the call for his position to
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Speaker 10: be untenable now is probably a little bit churlish. I
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Speaker 10: don't think that there's any need here to behave in
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Speaker 10: a way that would be considered churlish.
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa, what's more interesting with those comments Jane Hume's
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Speaker 2: take on Rudd or her indirect comment on her leader,
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee describing calls for Rud Toby Sactor's churlish.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think Susan Lee's put a foot in it,
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Speaker 4: hasn't she.
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Speaker 8: I mean, look, those comments were probably churlish, But what's
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Speaker 8: more important, they were actually politically stupid. I mean, here
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Speaker 8: is a day when Australia has actually kicked a couple
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Speaker 8: of goals, and important goals.
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Speaker 4: Particularly the submarines.
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Speaker 8: You know, that is setting our defense relationship into the future,
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Speaker 8: into decades into the future. It is cemented our position
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Speaker 8: as a reliable ally of the US. And let's be
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Speaker 8: clear here, the reason we got both the submarines and
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Speaker 8: the rare heress toil is because the.
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Speaker 4: US wants it.
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Speaker 8: It's in their strategic interest and you know they were
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Speaker 8: prepared to go along with US now that they consider
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Speaker 8: US as a reliable ally.
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Speaker 4: I think that Susan.
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Speaker 8: Lee's out of a depth completely. You know, I said
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Speaker 8: she'd be gone before the next election. I wouldn't be
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Speaker 8: surprised she's gone halfway through next year, the way the
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Speaker 8: coalition is falling apart.
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Speaker 2: Well, Caleb, have a look at Susan Lee's response when
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Speaker 2: asked about Jane Hume's comments. This is this afternoon.
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Speaker 7: Jane Hume says, it was churlish of you to call
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Speaker 7: for Kevin Right to be sacked as ambassador.
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Speaker 1: Do you still believe.
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Speaker 11: You need to know? I welcome all the comments from
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Speaker 11: my talented backbench, and I know like me that they
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Speaker 11: are focused on the real bread and butter issues.
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Speaker 2: And she did not repeat calls for Kevin Rudd to
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Speaker 2: be sacked. What did you make of that? That's a
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Speaker 2: record for a backflip.
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Speaker 9: I reckon, I'm having a look around here, James. I'm
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Speaker 9: trying to find a copy of the Oxford Dictionary, because
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Speaker 9: I reckon if you opened it up and went to
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Speaker 9: passive aggressive, you would find the video that we just watched.
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Speaker 9: She responded to that, and look, I think Jane Hume
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Speaker 9: is right. It is an odd move on a day
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Speaker 9: where we have achieved a serious deal with the United States.
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Speaker 9: I'm sure it was a deal done by labor, but
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Speaker 9: it is a serious deal that we've achieved.
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Speaker 12: It's one of the most.
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Speaker 9: Consequential things that the Albanese government has done and that
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Speaker 9: the Albanzi has been able to achieve as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: To be perfectly honest, so to take that day and
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Speaker 9: not simply say this is a good thing for Australia,
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Speaker 9: show it to bipartisanship and say yep, this is great.
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Speaker 9: Lee takes the opportunity to say, well, Kevin raddaught to
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Speaker 9: be sacked because Donald Trump made these comments, never mind
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Speaker 9: the fact that most of the leg work that was
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Speaker 9: done in the United States to get this deal over
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Speaker 9: the line was done by Kevin Rudd. And I think
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Speaker 9: once again it just shows that there is great division
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Speaker 9: in the Liberal Party at the moment, and because they
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Speaker 9: haven't really come up with any genuine policy, even though
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Speaker 9: you know, Lee talk this week at an event about
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Speaker 9: potential tax cuts, but they don't have a genuine policy
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Speaker 9: platform to talk about. And so if you can't sell policy,
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Speaker 9: you can't expect that members of the Liberal Party aren't
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Speaker 9: going to talk about other things, and so they end
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Speaker 9: up saying things like this like Hub did today, which
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Speaker 9: contradicts the leader. If they had other things to talk about,
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Speaker 9: maybe this wouldn't be a problem.
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. There's a vacuum of leadership, and a
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Speaker 2: vacuum will always be filled just quickly. China wasn't happy
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Speaker 2: about the White House meeting, but for very different reasons
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Speaker 2: to Kevin Rudd. Of course, the Chinese are upset about
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Speaker 2: confirmation of the Orc submarine deal, warning it could lead
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Speaker 2: to block confrontation, and of course they're also upset about
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Speaker 2: the rare earth Mineral Investment Plan, which is designed in
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Speaker 2: part to end Beijing's dominance of the market. Michael, regarding
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Speaker 2: the Orchestral the Chinese are worried it'll lead to a
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Speaker 2: proliferation of weapons in our region. The Chinese have turned
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Speaker 2: gas lighting into a diplomatic art form, haven't they.
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Speaker 4: It's a complete another joke here.
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Speaker 8: They are threatening all of their neighbors, trying to dominate
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Speaker 8: the South China Sea. You know last week we had
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Speaker 8: that incident with the plane and the flares, and they've
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Speaker 8: got the hide to say that we shouldn't enter into
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Speaker 8: a relationship to defend our national interest.
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Speaker 4: China is very weak.
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Speaker 8: This shows me they realize that they've bitten off more
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Speaker 8: than they can chew.
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Speaker 4: They've built and road strategies collapsed.
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Speaker 8: They tried to corner the market on rare minerals, and
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Speaker 8: really this is a strategic brilliance by a Trump and Australia,
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Speaker 8: with Australia support of course, to try.
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Speaker 4: And undermine them.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the economic warfare is as critical as the
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Speaker 8: defense strategy that we're implementing. So look, China should be
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Speaker 8: taken with a grain of salt. Its interests are not
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Speaker 8: our interests. Its values are not our values, and it
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Speaker 8: only trades with us because it's in its interest, not.
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Speaker 4: Our interest.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Look, I've got to go to a break, but
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Speaker 2: thank you Michael and Caleb for joining me. Of course,
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Speaker 2: calib will catch up with you later tonight on the
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Speaker 2: Late Debate. Thanks to both of you. Well stick around
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Speaker 2: because coming up after the break, our foreign minister's geography
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Speaker 2: is so bad she can't even name the capital of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Rowan Dean joins me next. Now I have to admit
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Speaker 2: geography was never my strong suit at school. But even
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Speaker 2: I know Jerusalem is in Israel, it's actually the capital,
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Speaker 2: and that makes me a dance sight smarter than Australia's
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Penny Wong, who couldn't say whether Jerusalem was
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Speaker 2: in Israel or in the newly recognized state of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: Asked whether the Western Wall and the Jewish Quarter of
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem were in Israel or in the State of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: The State of Palestine should say that, she and the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister imagine she couldn't say, As reported in The
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Speaker 2: Australian Today, She replied to the question the Australian government's
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Speaker 2: long standing position on Jerusalem and borders is that they
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Speaker 2: are final status issues subject to negotiations. Australians, negotiation of
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Speaker 2: the state of Palestine does not prejudge the outcome of
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Speaker 2: those negotiations. That makes it fairly clear. Then I suppose
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Speaker 2: joining me now is Sky and his host Rowan Dean.
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Speaker 2: How's your geography?
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Speaker 13: Both my geography and more importantly, my history are far
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Speaker 13: better clearly than Penny Wong's. I mean, imagine if someone
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Speaker 13: rocked up to Penny Wong's hometown of Kuala Lumpur and said, well,
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Speaker 13: capital of Malaysia and said, oh, let's take the old center,
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Speaker 13: the old square, Medeka Square in the middle of Kuala Lumpur,
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Speaker 13: and let's make that the cap of I don't know,
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Speaker 13: Vietnam or Indonesia. There were once some Indonesians here. I mean,
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Speaker 13: it's an absolute farce. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel,
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Speaker 13: going back over three thousand years. Jews have been continuously
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Speaker 13: in Israel for longer than any other people we can trace.
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Speaker 13: With the exception we love to talk about the indigenous
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Speaker 13: Australians and their continuous existence in Australia. Well, the continuous
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Speaker 13: existence of the Jews in Jerusalem and in Israel leaves
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Speaker 13: virtually any other European or Middle Eastern country completely off
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Speaker 13: to the side. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel.
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Speaker 13: It deserves to be recognized by our government as such.
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Speaker 13: And the absolute disgrace of someone like Penny Wong, who's
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Speaker 13: already shown herself to be completely our worst ever foreign minister,
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Speaker 13: completely hopeless. I noticed they kept her out of the
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Speaker 13: White House, which was a sensible idea recognizing Palestine, which
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Speaker 13: doesn't exist for those who know their history and their geography.
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Speaker 13: There is already a state called Jordan, and the capital
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Speaker 13: that is Ammam, and that therefore is the capital of Palestine,
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Speaker 13: because Jordan is Palestine and predominantly a Palestinian population, and
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Speaker 13: Jordan ran the West Bank, the so called West Bank,
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Speaker 13: the territories of Judea and Samaria, which is what we
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Speaker 13: people like to call the West Bank. But those two
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Speaker 13: areas Judea and Samaria as well. Anyone who knows their
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Speaker 13: Bible or their history knows that Judea means the Jewish homeland,
20:34
Speaker 13: that's where the word comes from, not very hard and Samaria,
20:37
Speaker 13: of course, we know the story of the Good Samaritan
20:39
Speaker 13: and the Bible, so you only have to go to
20:42
Speaker 13: the Bible, but plenty of other historic sources to know
20:45
Speaker 13: that Jerusalem and Israel are inseparable, always will be, always
20:50
Speaker 13: have been. And for someone like Penny Wong to be
20:53
Speaker 13: tripping all over herself again embarrassing Australia, which seems to
20:57
Speaker 13: be her kind of modus operanda, is a disgrace. Someone
21:02
Speaker 13: in debat should put a sock in her mouth being
21:05
Speaker 13: speaking metaphorically obviously, and tell her to be quiet on
21:08
Speaker 13: this issue because she knows not of what.
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Speaker 4: She speaks.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of embarrassing, Kevin Rudd today posted a highlights video
21:17
Speaker 2: of Anthony Albanese's trip to the White House, so you
21:20
Speaker 2: can imagine how Keen I was to see it.
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Speaker 14: Take a look, Prime Minister, You've had an extraordinary day yesterday,
21:26
Speaker 14: the President backing in aucas the endorsement of the critical
21:31
Speaker 14: Minerals and Rare Earth's Framework agreement between Australia and the
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Speaker 14: United States, which will be transformational, as well as sheer
21:37
Speaker 14: volume of inbound investment into this country.
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Speaker 1: We have no career aw I are a partner in Australia.
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Speaker 12: It was a great day in terms of the alliance.
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Speaker 7: Please stand together. It's been a fantastic visit, I've got
21:50
Speaker 7: to say, and I am overwhelmed by their extraordinary turnout,
21:54
Speaker 7: which is here today.
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Speaker 2: So there you go, Rowan, that's the highlights of Kevin
21:59
Speaker 2: and Anthony's trip to the White House. I couldn't help
22:01
Speaker 2: but notice there was one highlight that seemed to have
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Speaker 2: been missing from that video.
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Speaker 13: I don't know what you're talking about, James. That seemed
22:08
Speaker 13: to sum it up all perfectly well. I mean, it
22:10
Speaker 13: had all the great moments that were there during the trip.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I'm sure Kevin would prefer us to overlook
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Speaker 13: Donald Trump's recommendation of him for further work and the
22:25
Speaker 13: fact that their relationship is pretty much non existent. That
22:29
Speaker 13: was hilarious. The whole thing was hilarious. Kevin Rud, I
22:33
Speaker 13: was listening to your previous guests. I'm sorry, I have
22:35
Speaker 13: to disagree with him totally. Not that Kevin Rod should
22:38
Speaker 13: be sacked because his time is up in March, but
22:42
Speaker 13: for Kevin Rud to be wandering around at taking credit
22:45
Speaker 13: for what is clearly a result of China a couple
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Speaker 13: of weeks ago, saying we're going to sort of hang
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Speaker 13: on to all the world's rare earth minerals, and so on.
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Speaker 13: We're going to make it very hard for the Americans
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Speaker 13: to get it. Suddenly a meeting, we need a meeting
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Speaker 13: with the Australians. Suddenly, oh yeah, let's do a deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.
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Speaker 4: We'll overlook all.
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Speaker 13: The recognizing palerstime, will overlook all the nonsense that you've done,
23:08
Speaker 13: because we need your rare earth minerals. By the way,
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Speaker 13: it was Matt Canavan, of course, who we can largely
23:13
Speaker 13: credit for the success of yesterday's meeting, not Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 13: It was Matt Canavan who originally drew the Americans' attention
23:20
Speaker 13: to the rare earths, to critical minerals that we have
23:24
Speaker 13: in abundance in this country that the Albanzi government has
23:27
Speaker 13: completely neglected. And let's just wait and see how easily
23:30
Speaker 13: the Albanesi government can convinces the I don't know the
23:33
Speaker 13: spotted Rainbow serpent songline or whatever it is, from preventing
23:37
Speaker 13: the Americans from actually doing what Albanzi has signed the
23:41
Speaker 13: Americans up to. So I'm afraid no praise for Kevin right. No,
23:44
Speaker 13: he doesn't need to be sacked because, has been pointed
23:47
Speaker 13: out by many people, we'd rather keep them as far
23:49
Speaker 13: away from these shores as possible for as long as possible,
23:51
Speaker 13: so hopefully he gets another diplomatic appointment somewhere else. But
23:55
Speaker 13: to be claiming credit is ludicrous. And yes, Albanize, he
24:00
Speaker 13: did a good job. Why because he listened to Kirs
24:02
Speaker 13: Starmer when Kiirs Starmer told him all you have to
24:05
Speaker 13: do with Donald Trump is not along, crack a few jokes,
24:08
Speaker 13: listen to what he has to say, say and don't
24:11
Speaker 13: antagonatize him. And by the way, keep that bloke run
24:13
Speaker 13: as far away from him as possible.
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Speaker 2: Pretty simple, Rowan. You know the funny thing about Kevin
24:19
Speaker 2: Rudd's video. It's supposed to be you know about Anthony
24:21
Speaker 2: Albaneze's trip, and Kevin Rudd features highly in that video
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Speaker 2: as we But I watched today the video I watched today,
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Speaker 2: the video released by the White House. No sign of
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd at all in that video. He's not seen once.
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Speaker 2: So that tells you everything. Rowan, Dene always appreciate catching
24:39
Speaker 2: up with you. Thanks so much. We're going to go
24:41
Speaker 2: to a break coming up next US Vice President to
24:44
Speaker 2: jd vance is in Israel. But will the fragile peace
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Speaker 2: with humas hold? I'll ask a form Israeli government spokesperson
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Speaker 2: evil On Levy. Next well, US Vice President jd Vance
24:58
Speaker 2: has arrived in Israeli's pressing optimism that the peace treaty
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Speaker 2: with Hamas will hold. I think everyone understands that's a
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Speaker 2: big ask, and jd Vance himself was not above asking
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Speaker 2: for a little extra help.
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Speaker 6: Christians have many titles for Jesus Christ, and one of
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Speaker 6: them is the Prince of Peace, and I'd ask all
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Speaker 6: people of faith, in particular my fellow Christians, to pray
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Speaker 6: that the Prince of Peace can continue to work a
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Speaker 6: miracle in this region of the world. I think that
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Speaker 6: we have made incredible strides over the past week.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have to make a lot more. But
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Speaker 1: I think with your.
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Speaker 6: Prayers, with God's providence, and with a very good team
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Speaker 6: behind me, I think we're gonna get it done.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy. Elon,
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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program. It will be a
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Speaker 2: miracle if the peace treaty holds. Will it not.
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Speaker 15: It'll be a miracle of the peace treaty holds. Because
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Speaker 15: Hamas has not accepted the peace treaty. President trumb laid
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Speaker 15: out a twenty point plan for peace, and Israel said yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 15: we want all of this. Hamas hasn't hasn't accepted that
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Speaker 15: it must its arm. It hasn't accepted that Garza must demilitarize,
26:05
Speaker 15: and it hasn't accepted that Garza must deradicalize. The opposite,
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Speaker 15: Hamas is not demilitarizing. It is remilitarizing. It's not handing
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Speaker 15: over its weapons, it's taking other people's weapons in the
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Speaker 15: Gaza Strip. So what we need now is pressure on Hamas,
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Speaker 15: especially through its state sponsors Turkey and Cutter. It's not
26:26
Speaker 15: enough just to give back the living hostages. It is
26:30
Speaker 15: to give has to give back all the dead hostages,
26:33
Speaker 15: and then it has to give up its weapons and
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Speaker 15: lay down its arms so that this war can finally end.
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Speaker 15: You know, President Trump's peace plan says Hamas is going
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Speaker 15: to be dismantled one way or another, the easy way
26:44
Speaker 15: or the hard way. And everyone in Israel hopes this
26:47
Speaker 15: can be done the easy way, and Hamas understands it's
26:50
Speaker 15: game over and it's lost this war.
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Speaker 2: Well, Vice President JD. Evince was calling on everyone to
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Speaker 2: be patient. Here's some of what he had to say.
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Speaker 6: I think what you're seeing from our golf Air friends,
27:02
Speaker 6: certainly from our Israeli friends, is a certain amount of.
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Speaker 1: Impatience with Hamas.
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Speaker 6: But we're going to keep on working at this process,
27:08
Speaker 6: and we're going to keep on trying to bring the
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Speaker 6: deceased passages home, but also make sure that all Gazans
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Speaker 6: are able to live in a prosperous and safe place.
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Speaker 2: Jd Events admits there's a certain amount of impatience in Israel.
27:20
Speaker 2: How long will Israel be prepared to sit and wait
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Speaker 2: for this process to play out before saying, you know what,
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Speaker 2: we need to go and finish the job ourselves.
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Speaker 15: Indeed, Israel is impatient to keep its people safe. It's
27:32
Speaker 15: impatient to bring back the hostages whose bodies are being
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Speaker 15: held in Gaza by Hamas, and it's impatient to end
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Speaker 15: this warf for good and put this crisis behind us.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: You know, President Trump has said he's not putting.
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Speaker 15: A deadline on how long Hamas has to disarm. But
27:50
Speaker 15: this is the brilliance of the Trump peace plan. It
27:53
Speaker 15: says that this crisis is going to end with Hamas
27:56
Speaker 15: relinquishing its weapons and leaving power, whether it wants to
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Speaker 15: or not.
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Speaker 2: And what we need now is.
28:02
Speaker 15: Pressure on Hamas through its patrons to do exactly that
28:06
Speaker 15: as quickly as possible, because every day that goes by
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Speaker 15: is a day that Hamas is not loosening its grip
28:13
Speaker 15: on power, it's re establishing its grip on power. Hamas
28:17
Speaker 15: doesn't realize it's lost this war. Hamas is rebuilding its
28:20
Speaker 15: terrorist army, and we need massive global pressure on Hamas
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Speaker 15: now to end this swiftly, immediately and not drag out
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Speaker 15: the crisis that it began when it launched that invasion
28:31
Speaker 15: of Israel two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Elon, I hear what you're saying about more global pressure,
28:38
Speaker 2: But what would that pressure look like on a group
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Speaker 2: like Hamas, who are essentially a religiously motivated, ideological death cult.
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Speaker 2: How do you put pressure on those kinds of people?
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Speaker 15: Because the difference between Hamas and Islamic State is that
28:54
Speaker 15: Hamas has state sponsors, countries like Cutter and Turkey that
28:59
Speaker 15: have been supporting all the way through the war. Hamas
29:02
Speaker 15: only agreed to give back the hostages because Cutter and Turkey,
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Speaker 15: under American pressure, told Hamas that those hostages were a liability,
29:11
Speaker 15: not an asset, that it had to give back the
29:13
Speaker 15: hostages in order to end the war, and now those
29:16
Speaker 15: countries that have been helping Hamas need to pressure it
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Speaker 15: to lay down its arms and end this conflict once
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Speaker 15: and for all. Hamas needs to be left with no
29:26
Speaker 15: choice right now. It's back is not against the wall.
29:29
Speaker 15: Hamas is reasserting its grip on Gaza. It's rebuilding its
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Speaker 15: terrorist army, and it needs to understand it can have
29:37
Speaker 15: no future in the governance of Gaza right now it
29:41
Speaker 15: thinks it does.
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Speaker 2: How fine is the line for israelis, particularly the government,
29:47
Speaker 2: between on the one hand, appreciation for all that the
29:50
Speaker 2: US administration is doing and on the other hand, frustration
29:54
Speaker 2: that the US is taking the lead in Israel are
29:57
Speaker 2: effectively having to take their cues from Trump about their
30:00
Speaker 2: own security.
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Speaker 15: Israel announced after the October seventh massacre, all it wants
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Speaker 15: is to remove Hamas from power so it can never
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Speaker 15: do this again, and to bring back the hostages. We
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Speaker 15: now have a plan that has not only brought back
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Speaker 15: all the living hostages, it lays out an international framework
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Speaker 15: for Hamas to leave power and lay down its arms.
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Speaker 15: There is a peace plan on the table. Israel has
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Speaker 15: accepted it. Israel wants the full implementation of the Trump
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Speaker 15: Peace Plan, every single point demilitarization, deradicalization in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Hamas doesn't want that.
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Speaker 15: So is there frustration, Yes, but it's frustration with the
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Speaker 15: terrorist army that launched this war and doesn't understand it
30:45
Speaker 15: needs to end it for good by laying down its
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Speaker 15: arms so the people of Gaza can move forward to
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Speaker 15: a better and more prosperous future and the people of
30:53
Speaker 15: Israel can sleep safely in their beds.
30:55
Speaker 2: Again, here's what Jdvents had to say about the body
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Speaker 2: of fifteen hostages not yet returned to their families in Israel.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen.
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Speaker 6: It is a focus of everybody here to get those
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Speaker 6: bodies back home to their families so that they can
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Speaker 6: have a proper burial. Now that said, this is difficult.
31:12
Speaker 6: This is not going to happen overnight. Some of these
31:14
Speaker 6: hostages are buried under thousands of pounds of rubble.
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Speaker 1: Some of the hostages nobody even knows where they are.
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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to get them, and
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Speaker 6: that doesn't mean we don't have confidence that we will.
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Speaker 6: It's just a reason to counsel in favor of a
31:28
Speaker 6: little bit of patience.
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Speaker 1: This is going to take a little bit of time.
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Speaker 2: Elon, I can't imagine the anguish of those still waiting
31:35
Speaker 2: for the remains of their loved ones to be returned. Yeah,
31:38
Speaker 2: the families are in anguish.
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Speaker 15: Let's remember there is a body in Gaza of a
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Speaker 15: soldier who was killed and abducted in two thousand and fourteen.
31:48
Speaker 15: Hamas has been holding onto his body for a ransom.
31:51
Speaker 15: It hasn't lost how Dar Golden. It knows exactly where
31:54
Speaker 15: how Dar Golden is. In the last few days, we've
31:57
Speaker 15: seen Hamas drip one body, two bodies every day, as
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Speaker 15: if it's suddenly finding them.
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Speaker 2: It knows exactly what it is doing. It knows where
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Speaker 2: the bodies are.
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Speaker 15: It's trying to squeeze further concessions out of Israel. And
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Speaker 15: it's really important that Hamas give back all of the
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Speaker 15: bodies of the hostages it murdered. Just now, Israel identified
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Speaker 15: the body of Aria Zalmanovitch. He was eighty six years
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Speaker 15: old when Hamas invaded his community on October seventh. Hamas
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Speaker 15: murdered or abducted one quarter of his neighbors.
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Speaker 1: He was eighty six.
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Speaker 15: He was murdered in captivity, and he was just returned
32:37
Speaker 15: in a coffin. So the return of those hostages bodies
32:40
Speaker 15: is a reminder that Israel is fighting against pure evil,
32:44
Speaker 15: against a death cult that has been holding onto bodies
32:48
Speaker 15: for a ransom. And we don't believe them when they
32:50
Speaker 15: say they can't find them. Clearly they're managing to find
32:52
Speaker 15: one or two every day. They need free all of them.
32:54
Speaker 2: Now, just before I let you go, Canadian Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Matt he said yesterday that if Benjamin Netanyah, who set
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Speaker 2: foot on Canadian soil, he'd be arrested for war crimes.
33:05
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 16: Justin Trudeau said that Canada would honor the International Criminal
33:12
Speaker 16: Court arrest warrants. Benjamin Ettierwood would be arrested if he
33:15
Speaker 16: came to Canada. Does that stand under your leadership? Yes,
33:20
Speaker 16: you'd be prepared to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, just quickly elon your reaction to that.
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Speaker 15: You know, I hope that the great people of Canada
33:27
Speaker 15: never experience an act of war like the October seventh massacre,
33:31
Speaker 15: and Jihadis terrorists never perpetrate such barbaric atrocities against Canadians,
33:37
Speaker 15: not only because of the barbaric nature of those atrocities,
33:40
Speaker 15: but also because they have a leadership that clearly won't
33:42
Speaker 15: fight for them, that would respond by surrendering to the terrorists,
33:46
Speaker 15: by not standing up for innocent people slaughtered in their beds,
33:49
Speaker 15: who would allow the terrorists to.
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Speaker 2: Get away with it.
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Speaker 15: I think mister Carne should hang his head in shame
33:54
Speaker 15: after he empowered Hamask by recognizing a non existent Palestinian
33:59
Speaker 15: state rewarding Hamas for the October seventh massacre. He really
34:02
Speaker 15: shouldn't wade into discussing the Middle East crisis anymore. He
34:05
Speaker 15: should quite before he does any more damage.
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Speaker 2: I should point out our own government also recognize the
34:12
Speaker 2: state of Palestine and refuse to say what they would
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Speaker 2: do if Benjamin ettya who were to visit Australia. Elon
34:19
Speaker 2: Levy always great to catch up. Thanks for your time tonight.
34:22
Speaker 4: Thank you.
34:24
Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: The Queensland LNP state government has signed a special accord
34:28
Speaker 2: with councils in Indigenous communities giving them special access to
34:32
Speaker 2: government ministers. A newly signed a cord give seventeen First
34:35
Speaker 2: Nations councils a process by which they can advise state
34:39
Speaker 2: Cabinet directly on issues like housing, water access and sewage treatment.
34:44
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Partnership
34:47
Speaker 2: Minister Fiona Simpson. Fiona, thanks for coming on the program.
34:51
Speaker 2: Let me just ask the question everybody is asking, Is
34:54
Speaker 2: this the voice two point zero?
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Speaker 17: Oh, James, it's the complete opposite of the voice.
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Speaker 12: It's dely not like that.
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Speaker 17: What we are doing is working with democratically elected local councils,
35:08
Speaker 17: local mayors and the democratically elected state government. And we're
35:12
Speaker 17: doing the same thing that we're doing with other rural
35:15
Speaker 17: and remote communities, councils and Queensland. So it is absolutely
35:20
Speaker 17: opposite of the voice. Is about practical consultation at the grassroots,
35:25
Speaker 17: where people who are on the ground as elected officials
35:28
Speaker 17: delivering for their local communities.
35:30
Speaker 2: So let me understand this. You've signed two accords, as
35:32
Speaker 2: I understand it, one with rural and regional councils that
35:37
Speaker 2: gives them similar access cutting through the bureaucracy straight to ministers. Absolutely,
35:41
Speaker 2: and I think, and you've signed another accord with indigenous councils.
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Speaker 12: Correct, and it's very similar. It's the same thing.
35:47
Speaker 2: So here's my question, why a special one with Indigenous councils.
35:52
Speaker 2: I presume those Indigenous councils are regional and rural, so
35:55
Speaker 2: why not just have one agreement with regional and rural
35:58
Speaker 2: councils rather than one that's rased based.
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Speaker 17: They're achieving the same thing with consultation, and what we
36:04
Speaker 17: find with our rural and remote Indigenous councils, particularly those
36:09
Speaker 17: that are very remote, they do address things such as
36:14
Speaker 17: housing and water and frontline services. So it is the
36:18
Speaker 17: same accord. It's the same type of process with consultation.
36:24
Speaker 17: So we are working with them, helping them as they
36:27
Speaker 17: build capacity, as they deliver on frontline services, and we're
36:31
Speaker 17: very much.
36:31
Speaker 12: About tangible, practical outcomes.
36:34
Speaker 17: And I think the response we got also from our
36:37
Speaker 17: rural and remote councils the general councils when an lay
36:41
Speaker 17: the Minister signed their compact in August was that they
36:45
Speaker 17: didn't see a lot of the previous government. We're practical,
36:48
Speaker 17: we're about overcoming the tyranny of distance.
36:51
Speaker 12: As well as the barriers of bureaucracy.
36:54
Speaker 2: So here's what I'm still not understanding. If it's about
36:56
Speaker 2: the tyranny of distance, why two accords, one with no
37:00
Speaker 2: indigenous councils and another with indigenous councils. Why not just
37:03
Speaker 2: one accord that achieves all the same purposes with regional
37:07
Speaker 2: and rural councils.
37:08
Speaker 17: Well, we're already meeting with these councils, but they also
37:11
Speaker 17: have their own groups as you would appreciate. Across rural
37:14
Speaker 17: and regional Queensland, you'll also have regional groups of councils
37:18
Speaker 17: as well who work together. Some of them have joint
37:21
Speaker 17: service delivery and these are the arrangements that local government
37:25
Speaker 17: has in place in Queensland, and we are about working
37:28
Speaker 17: with local government.
37:29
Speaker 2: So this is I'm still just understanding why Indigenous councils
37:33
Speaker 2: get a special accord that's exactly the same as the
37:35
Speaker 2: regional and rural councils. Why one that's race based.
37:40
Speaker 17: You already have local councils that get together. They have
37:44
Speaker 17: their own groups where they come together and they have
37:47
Speaker 17: joint service delivery in some circumstances where they jointly work
37:51
Speaker 17: together with upskilling and delivering of services. So this is
37:55
Speaker 17: on the basis of these communities who we work in
37:58
Speaker 17: partnership with local government. These are their arrangements that we
38:01
Speaker 17: work in partnership.
38:03
Speaker 2: So they have indigenous communities or non indigenous.
38:06
Speaker 17: Indigenous and non indigenous, so with local government, with the
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Speaker 17: Local Government Association of Queensland, who we have also signed
38:14
Speaker 17: an agreement with regard to access. This is about consultation, James,
38:19
Speaker 17: and there are some very remote areas.
38:22
Speaker 2: I don't want to be reading cut off. I'm still
38:24
Speaker 2: not understanding why is there a special accord with Indigenous councils.
38:29
Speaker 17: Because there is a group of Indigenous elected mayors.
38:34
Speaker 12: These are elected mayors of these communities who already meet.
38:37
Speaker 17: Now you may be familiar with Ticker who predominantly has
38:41
Speaker 17: the cape and they have a lot of the same
38:43
Speaker 17: issues and they already have their own group.
38:45
Speaker 2: But wouldn't non indigenous mayors have the same issues if
38:48
Speaker 2: they're remote and rural as well.
38:50
Speaker 17: There are issues with closing the gap and rural and
38:53
Speaker 17: remote areas around some of the health outcomes with housing.
38:56
Speaker 12: So James will give you a bit of an idea.
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Speaker 17: What we've found is that why it's been so well received,
39:02
Speaker 17: not only with Indigenous mayors but with other non Indigenous councils,
39:07
Speaker 17: is that they weren't getting access to the previous government
39:11
Speaker 17: to overcome the bureaucracy. This has been a response to
39:14
Speaker 17: what they've asked for.
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Speaker 2: The LNP obviously scrapt treaty scrapt absolutely, scrapt truth telling
39:20
Speaker 2: absolutely by setting up a special accord for Indigenous councils,
39:24
Speaker 2: it's exactly the same as the accord for regional and
39:26
Speaker 2: rural councils. It's just a stop to the Indigenous communities
39:29
Speaker 2: to say, hey, we cancel treaty and truth telling, but
39:33
Speaker 2: we still want to do something for indigenous chis complete
39:36
Speaker 2: OPPOSITI sounds.
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Speaker 17: Like no because when you're going into rural and regional areas,
39:40
Speaker 17: and I appreciate when you travel into your most remote
39:43
Speaker 17: areas it can be one thousand kilometers.
39:46
Speaker 12: North of cans and they will often have shared services
39:49
Speaker 12: that they deliver together.
39:51
Speaker 17: They have a lot of the shared issues that other
39:54
Speaker 17: communities may not have. You also have things such as
39:57
Speaker 17: the alcohol management plans, so there are other overlays that
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Speaker 17: other councils don't have. But this has been a response
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Speaker 17: from the Local Government Association of Queensland and working in partnership.
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Speaker 17: It's about better consultation, it's overcoming the bureaucracy.
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Speaker 12: It's about ensuring that people wherever.
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Speaker 17: They live have access to ministers so they have existing
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Speaker 17: networks that are trying to overcome some of the biggest
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Speaker 17: disadvantages in our state.
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Speaker 2: Sixty eight percent of Queenslanders voted against the voice. I
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Speaker 2: was looking at a career mail poll this morning. Eighty
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Speaker 2: five percent of respondence to that pole think that this
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Speaker 2: new agreement you've created is a voice two point zero.
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Speaker 2: Has this been badly communicated to people that they're confused
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Speaker 2: about it?
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Speaker 17: Look, that was complete misreporting because it was never a
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Speaker 17: voice like Albanzi. It was about a consultation mechanism, the
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Speaker 17: same as our rural and remote councils are getting and
40:55
Speaker 17: have signed in their compact. And so to be quite clear,
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Speaker 17: no new body, no changes to the constitution. These are
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Speaker 17: elected officials. It's about getting.
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Speaker 12: Tangible, practical outcomes.
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Speaker 17: In local communities. These are about local leaders in their
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Speaker 17: local communities, not them in other communities.
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Speaker 12: In their local communities.
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Speaker 17: And some of these areas where they're housing issues where
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Speaker 17: you can have twelve to thirteen people in one house.
41:22
Speaker 17: Now they are practical issues that these councils are dealing
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Speaker 17: with and we're working with them to acknowledge they haven't
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Speaker 17: had the opportunity of being able to buy their own home.
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Speaker 17: That is very different from down here in Southeast Queensland.
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Speaker 17: So it's about the same opportunities, it's about the same
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Speaker 17: democratic power of your vote. It's about overcoming bureaucracy. It
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Speaker 17: is not about Albanesi's new setup voice. And I think
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Speaker 17: unfortunately that article did mislead people because it was always
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Speaker 17: about consultation and I think, James, what I found very
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Speaker 17: interesting is that the feedback I've had from indigenous mayors is,
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Speaker 17: oh goodness me, this is not the federal government's voice.
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Speaker 17: They're saying that because they know they, like other counselors
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Speaker 17: in Queensland, want to see better outcomes in the community,
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Speaker 17: less bureaucracy, more tangible outcomes.
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Speaker 2: Fionna Simpson, I appreciate you explaining it to me. Thanks, thanks.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, why is Anthony Alberinezi so
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Speaker 2: coy about the gifts he gave to Donald and Milania Trump.
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Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand and Christy McSweeney join me next. Victoria's treaty
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Speaker 2: agreement between the Labor Center Allen government and the First
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Speaker 2: People's Assembly of Victoria is struggling to gain majority support
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Speaker 2: in the state. According to a new survey, just thirty
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Speaker 2: nine percent of people support the treaty, while sixty one
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Speaker 2: percent oppose it regardless. The bill passed the Lower House
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Speaker 2: last week. Joining me to discuss this and more is
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Speaker 2: my panel Joe Hildebrand and Christy McSweeney. Welcome guys.
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Speaker 17: Joe.
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Speaker 2: I'll start with you. Why would you Siner Allen care
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Speaker 2: about an IPA survey when she clearly didn't care about
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Speaker 2: the referendum?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and also, what is the point of this body
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Speaker 18: or this process anyway? And again, I really enjoyed your
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Speaker 18: interview earlier about the mechanism in Queensland which is at
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Speaker 18: least seeking to deliver practical outcomes for Indigenous people on
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Speaker 18: the ground to close the gap. This body, it seems
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Speaker 18: to me in Victoria, will do very little to address
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Speaker 18: that and will simply end up being a kind of
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Speaker 18: handwringing talk fest. I imagine there'll be a great deal
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Speaker 18: of symbolism and demands for various street signs and place
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Speaker 18: names to be changed, which I don't really have a
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Speaker 18: problem with. But I'm far more concerned with addressing Indigenous disadvantage.
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Speaker 18: So I don't think this body will do that, and
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Speaker 18: I don't think the government particularly cares, because it's more
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Speaker 18: interested in virtue signaling than delivering outcomes.
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Speaker 2: What makes me curious, Christy is the fact it's so
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Speaker 2: unpopular yet Center Ellen doesn't seem bothered by that at all.
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Speaker 2: Is she so contemptuous of the Victorian Liberal Party that
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Speaker 2: she just fears.
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Speaker 19: Nothing, Well, I think it's contempt for the Victorian public,
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Speaker 19: let alone the Victorian Parliament. There's so many things have
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Speaker 19: been uncovered, not to mention her involvement in the Great
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Speaker 19: COVID cover up, which of course went nowhere, but well
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Speaker 19: done to the opposition for unfailing that, there's a lot
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Speaker 19: of secrecy that infrastructure plans in China and various other
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Speaker 19: things that haven't really been revealed due to the state
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Speaker 19: of the opposition. But getting back to this treaty, our
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Speaker 19: colleagues at the Herald Sun estimate figures they've been provided.
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Speaker 19: By twenty twenty nine. This will have cost Victorian tax
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Speaker 19: payers close to six hundred million. And that is just
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Speaker 19: in establishing this body, doing the consultation and the administration
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Speaker 19: of running it. Not one dollar of that hundred million
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Speaker 19: of taxpayers funds is going to an Indigenous woman or
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Speaker 19: child facing the prospect of not having food, or not
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Speaker 19: having anywhere to sleep at night, or not being able
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Speaker 19: to escape violence. Now, the foster care system in this
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Speaker 19: state has been revealed as being completely deficient, particularly in
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Speaker 19: relation to Indigenous kids. They are the sort of things
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Speaker 19: that Victorians care about and want their taxpayer dollars.
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Speaker 2: To go towards.
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Speaker 19: Of course, we want to reduce those impacts on our
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Speaker 19: indigenous community in Victoria. For six hundred million in ADMIN
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Speaker 19: for something that I want, voted for and doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Want come on.
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Speaker 2: Only in Victoria, all right. It's customary that when leaders
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Speaker 2: go on official visits overseas, they give each other gifts,
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Speaker 2: something that represents their country. The Prime Minister has revealed
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Speaker 2: that what he bought for Millennia and Donald Trump, well
45:55
Speaker 2: it was a McCoy when asked about it. Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: We had a jewelry, we had a submarine model for
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Speaker 7: the President, and we had some ug booties for the
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Speaker 7: President's newest granddaughter.
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Speaker 2: Joe whold a brand. We gave President Trump a submarine model.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like a bit of a desperate message, doesn't it.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I like that very much, or maybe we're just
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Speaker 18: sort of backing ourselves, you know, because it would have
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Speaker 18: looked pretty bad if we gave him a submarine model
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Speaker 18: and had no submarine deal to go with it. That
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Speaker 18: to me sounded a lot like, you know, the husband
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Speaker 18: who doesn't do anything to buy the president, doesn't, you know,
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Speaker 18: just lets his wife go and choose it, lets his
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Speaker 18: wife go and buy it, and then when the person's
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Speaker 18: unwrapping it, take the credit for it at the end
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Speaker 18: and say, oh, yeah, I thought you'd like that.
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Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
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Speaker 18: And so you could see al both think, oh, Jody
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Speaker 18: got what did Jody get Milania again or some bits
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Speaker 18: of jewelry or something. But I'm more interested to know
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Speaker 18: because we still don't know. Donald Trump gave Albo that's
47:03
Speaker 18: the million dollar question, and he said, he suggested that
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Speaker 18: it's going to take, you know, months or years to
47:08
Speaker 18: get through all the national security and diplomatic protocols or
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Speaker 18: customs or whatever. But I just hope it's not a
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Speaker 18: birthday card in the shape of a naked woman, because
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Speaker 18: that would be really embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, let me ask you about that, Christy, Because
47:23
Speaker 2: of course Trump famously has this merchandise room that he
47:27
Speaker 2: takes leaders in in you can get maga hats, magat cups,
47:31
Speaker 2: photographs of Trump himself. Maybe that's why Albanezi doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to say anything because he can hardly bring home a
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Speaker 2: maga hat Kenny.
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Speaker 19: I'm pretty sure even if he was given one, he
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Speaker 19: would have left it in the hotel room in the
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Speaker 19: United States. I don't think he would carry that around,
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Speaker 19: despite probably having to be in the position of accepting
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Speaker 19: the gesture. And you know, the defat people if they've
47:56
Speaker 19: put up boots booties forward, probably not really up with
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Speaker 19: their fashion. And of course the Great Australian Original UG
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Speaker 19: Company has been in a dispirit for decades now with
48:07
Speaker 19: an American company called Dockers China send them broke for
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Speaker 19: using the word UG in the United States. So de
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Speaker 19: fat if you need fashion advice for future gift giving,
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Speaker 19: I'm here. That's a bit of a boca.
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Speaker 2: Great point, Christy, great point. That's why we have you
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Speaker 2: on the program. Joe Hildebrand, Christy McSweeney. Well, thanks breached
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Speaker 2: that game. Thank you, my friend, you did indeed, thanks guys,
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Speaker 2: thank you. Well that's all for me, stick around. Coming
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Speaker 2: up right now is Sherry Markson Good Night