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Bishop Paul S. Morton on PJ Morton’s Mainstream Music, Mental Breakdown & Full Gospel Legacy · Love You Moore with Willie Moore Jr.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey family, William O'June, you're here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now it's time for the episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Lord, come on somebody hands up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Lord, family listen today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get the esteemed privilege to hang out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What I would consider, one of the most amazing pastors and bishops of our time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I remember when I first moved to the ATL, yeah, I moved right over there by Greenbrire and I went past this church and I had no idea whose church it was at the time I was doing ministry on YouTube and trying to get too nickels to rub together, you know, and hopes that the Lord would open up a supernatural door here in Atlanta and I moved into a apartment right next to his church and I
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[SPEAKER_04]: ended up visiting that church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got an opportunity to experience this ministry as I said way in the back years later at a youth conference.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got an opportunity to preach there and I got an opportunity to see not only a man who's a pastor, but a man who's an awesome human.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The one and only Bishop Paul is more than just hanging out with us today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing great, you know, just being with you, you know, you can't help but feel great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is such an honor just to be in your presence.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so proud of what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Man, it means the world to me coming from you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bishop, you know, this platform came out of payment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I went through a very, very unique divorce.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember sitting on the floor of my condo at the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was so much public scrutiny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, God, if you get me through this,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I promise that I tell the world how you got me out because there were so many people who just said, hey man, just pray about it, things will be well and it was just so vague.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is a place for people with hurts, habits, hangups, heartbreak and their journey to loving themselves again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I will say during that process, man, I was listening to a lot of yosung.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, cry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And do what I could do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's been what I'm most 50 years of marriage for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm 49.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Celebrating 50 in December.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, 18.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you got it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, these are 18.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just remember, you know, we used to celebrate on the radio like Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, indeed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What would be, what would be one of the things that you learned throughout these?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll just say 50 years of marriage about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what's the secret to longevity?
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[SPEAKER_05]: The secret to longevity in marriage is to tell your wife she's always right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a secret, and even though you can work from there, you know, you can bring in the wrong after that, but just, you know, you kind of stole it right, but you got to do what's really right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it works.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so that's probably why I went wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I thought it would wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't do enough right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, you don't try not to in your wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bishop, you know, being the leader for so long and now being retired, like, what does that look like for you because you've been plowing the field with full gospel for a lot of years?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I have to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really enjoying it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when you give 59 years of preaching,
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[SPEAKER_05]: and almost 50 years of just overseeing and being pastor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a lot of years and now just to sit back and to enjoy the fruit of my labor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm able now to do what I want to do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, preaching has never really bothered me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can even wake me up three o'clock in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can preach no problem.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The heavy load is many times pastoring negro.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the hard one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's that take your hair.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Don't I know?
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's why I'm wearing his hair.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so what makes it so difficult?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I believe sometimes in the culture of Christianity, not Christianity at large, is that the bishop isn't always seen as a human, like what's the hardest part of pastor and people who may not necessarily see you as a human?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you just have to learn how to deal with so many different kind of personalities.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's it's like a family.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got those that that want all of the attention and then those that really understand here, he's busy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I got this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm I'm going to handle this, but it's really learning people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: it starts with having a heart for people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that has been the success in my ministry because I was, I've always been serious about people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And when you do that as a shepherd and protecting them and taking care of them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it has always been such an awesome, awesome experience for me just to be able to deal with people in that way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But again, they do put you
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[SPEAKER_05]: Many times on a pedestal, and I've shared not too long ago in 1998 when I had a breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what God had to do with me in that season, he had to allow me to have the breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I could.
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[SPEAKER_05]: break up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I could break out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I even know how to deal with situations, deal with problems dealing with situations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so because I know what my assignment was dealing with spiritual warfare, that's what God told me to do in spiritual warfare.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just the spirit is in competition with the mind, the mind is in competition with the spirit of the mind is in competition with the spirit, with the emotions you're dealing with the emotions,
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[SPEAKER_05]: and being sensitive to people, God had to really take me to the next level as it relates.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You've got to know how to do spiritual warfare.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So all kinds of situations, even people that did not understand that because it was like a taboo for a preacher that have a breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that was like, oh, Lord, no, you know, coming out of church garden Christ.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, oh my God, yeah, so I think all that developing relationships and understanding and realizing that I was human, that that and that's a lesson that the Lord had to teach me just like when in Matthew 4 and 1 where the spirit of the Lord led Jesus into the wilderness to be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: tempted by the devil, not about the Holy Ghost to be tempted by the devil, but Jesus was strong enough to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I had to go into that wilderness experience being tempted by the devil messing with my mind, messing with my mind, but it caused me to really become stronger and better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I just flow in no matter what I have to go through,
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when you're going to something like that, is that something that you share with your family, is that something that your wife and family can't support?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or did you get outside of help and come back a superman to your family?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, I'll buy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: back then, and this was in when I had the night breakdown was 1998.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So in 1998, I was more of a loner trying to carry the whole load all by myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, with my wife,
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[SPEAKER_05]: But she was always there for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, my right arm, but you know, with your children, you try to keep things away from them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then you see, even people around you, oh, everything is fine.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Blessed and highly favored, please.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you're dealing with situations in your own life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I've learned how to share.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've learned how to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I talk about it because many times even as parents.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We act like, you know, with our children, that, you know, we, as parents that we grew up, you know, we just the perfect angel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've done what's wrong with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have no trouble.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, hey, no, my dad was always popping me upside my head.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, when you're honest and you're able to share and then people understanding, hey,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know it's a man of God, but he's still human.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so those that had human side will be there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But when you trust God again with the Spirit over the mind, that's the divine order of God.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When it's the mind over the Spirit, there's a disorder.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Whenever there's a disorder, there's always a breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I decided that
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's why God put me through what he put me through because I lost a grand baby at 18 months old.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was my first grand baby, lost my grand baby.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then here comes Hurricane Katrina.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I had to deal with Hurricane Katrina.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you lose.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the city 80% underwater.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was heavy for me and we had three locations in the city and I couldn't understand it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I couldn't understand it with God because first of all, 80% underwater, just 20% stage dry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, all my churches underwater and guess what didn't get under the water, Burban Street.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, no, Lord, wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So don't go on to a barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque barrisque
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[SPEAKER_05]: There was only a test and when you look at your life as being only a test and being a test, you have to prove your faith.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I found out to prove your faith.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've never had to prove my faith to myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love your Lord.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I can get up singing in the morning, woke up this morning with my mind state.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know who I am.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But to prove your faith, God says many times, you've got to prove your faith to others to show others you have faith.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They need to see
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[SPEAKER_05]: how you handle your situations, how you handle your problems.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I've become stronger.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I like to prove my faith and how strong I am in the Lord and show people that you can make it through no matter what it is, you can make it through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's how it's all you got to go through with order to come out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's that's how it works.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's how it works.
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[UNKNOWN]: You
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I'm a testament to, you know, your faith, I have a 17 year old son and he is of course, you know, my platform mainly inspirational and, you know, about Jesus and gospel and he's in mainstream music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so when I see how much you love PJ, how much you support.
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[SPEAKER_04]: PJ and you push them up and say, hey, man, you know, represent, do what you have to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that part just really, really show me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I, I think I've reached out to you and say, tell them when another producer who's a part of the body of your Christ, Quasi does mainstream stuff and it's just like, hey, man, what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're child decide to do something that's a little different than what you do and just seeing and hearing how you support.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was your first reaction when you realized that PJ has this amazing gift, but it's not going to be something that's going to be limited to church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I kind of understood PJ in the beginning more than his mother, you know, when he said he wanted to do secular music, you know, his mother said, oh, that's not true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who don't you embarrass your daddy like this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't, don't, don't, don't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I said, I'm wait because we went and talk because he was crying, you know, it was really inside of him as a related to what he wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we,
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[SPEAKER_05]: We sat down and we talked and I shared with them and he said, Daddy, Daddy in the Bible, the Word of God talks about love.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why can't I sing about it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: If love is what God talks about, and that's when I really got to release the even share with the families and they all leave
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[SPEAKER_05]: and look what has happened.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I believe that there are different kind of ministries.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, hey, I would love for him to follow in my footsteps, but what he's doing now and the positive music that he has, the kind of songs that he writes, that's a ministry that he's giving and bringing love, even to people to understand what real love is all about.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's when I appreciate about him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, and I talk, I said, I just have one request now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: you ain't got the cuss in your music, you know, you can get your message over because I was taught this, I was raising up, raised up that cussing is just the effort of a feeble mind to express itself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: that that's all that is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, you can do it in English, whatever you want to say, you can you you ain't got to you ain't got to do it that way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so he's kept his music clean and he's serious about his music and the people tried to make him change, but he said, hey, no, this is this is the promise I made, this is the promise I'm holding on to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I'm really, really proud of my name.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Say, yeah, that's Paul Morton Jr.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I said you light up when you talk about the definition.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, you know, how people are.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I guess because I've been in ministry for so long, I knew that that was coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, how could you even let your son do that?
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[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The Bible says, you know, you took the rule your own home.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, they would go deep on it, but once I'm convicted and I know what the Bible says and if you keep whatever you're doing and you keep it clean because I preach about love and the Bible, so you're all being able to sing about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I preach about marriage, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I preach about all of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you can talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can talk about a relationship.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So
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[SPEAKER_05]: that's the only thing I look at.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I really don't because and people now, you know, after a while, they get over, you know, you know, especially even people that grew up with, I grew up with them, I feel you know, you know, people, yeah, not as a global force, you know, I've been doing it more since you were up in the church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad you're jumping again, right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When you all get
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I tell people to say, I want to school with them and they name their school on Pitches, and I didn't go to that school.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not all I have ever done with me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's so amazing to see you free.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that was a version of PJ that was called and all these different layers begin to stack up on the real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: PJ Moore before there was a bishop in front of his name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think in retirement, you were able to discover the version of you that you had missed?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It, you know, the version that I had missed because in fact, before I moved to New Orleans in 1972, I was wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that I'd never been to a nightclub before.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was 22 years old, you know, growing up in church gone crazy, but I went to another city.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, and I met a friend there, you know, I just did a little work there and we was working together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And he said, come on, go to the nightclub with me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I went to the nightclub with him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they had,
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[SPEAKER_05]: like where they would just ask talent to get up and sing and and he looked at you can sing, man, you could sing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a nice cast cry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't get up and sing, but I got up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I got up there and sung a song and I didn't know that there was a talent scout in the audience.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He called me, I mean, took all my information.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He said, look, I'm on a, you got something.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I really want you a, I want, and then just slip me right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a very big, I can record label and I'm trying to think of it, but they, they were ready to sign me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, they, they called me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And
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[SPEAKER_05]: I had, in fact, the first song that I was going to do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know you two young to remember, but Jackie Moore, they had a song for us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She was older than me and I was to sing to her and she was to sing to me and I remembered.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes you need somebody older, run to me, run to me and she would say, hey, I need somebody like you run to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so hey, they love that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we're going to get this out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get this out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so we got all of that straight, but then they asked me, you know, to just to test your voice without a music without a music and want you to sing a song.
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[SPEAKER_05]: without any music without anybody behind you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, I didn't know that many worldly songs, so I sang walk around here, but one of these moody won't be very long.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I just broke down and started crying.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I said,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't do this.
20:52
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't do this.
20:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I gotta sing for Jesus.
20:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I gotta sing for Jesus.
20:57
[SPEAKER_05]: That produces a cuss me out of the guy I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Cust out before.
21:02
[SPEAKER_05]: But I just devilish for me.
21:04
[SPEAKER_05]: For me, I just...
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[SPEAKER_05]: new what God wanted me to do in ministry because it's kind of upset, you know, with people because sometimes they could be so cruel in the church and growing up in a talented family or brothers and sisters and you know, they all could sing all head gifts and you know how people in the church, why the Morton's got to always lead, why they got to deal with all that, so
21:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the sick of church, and so that's why the nightclub let me try that, but then I realized it was not for me, but for PJ, that was for him.
21:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, and it's working out.
21:47
[SPEAKER_05]: It's working out great.
21:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I teach them some time and say, you know, when they see us, they used to ask, you know, when we were together, they said, is that your son?
21:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, yeah, but I said, no, they look at us now and say, is that you, is that your daddy?
22:00
[SPEAKER_04]: You tell my son that all the time, I'm going to walk around and be like, hey man, that's wooly mojo, I'm going to tell my president.
22:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I say, hey, I'm enjoying this right now because one day they're going to say, hmm, that is that it's that Princeton more.
22:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
22:16
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, yeah, really is 11.
22:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, really, you're doing some great thing.
22:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, hey, great.
22:23
[SPEAKER_04]: because you can just see that you know my biggest thing is always just doing my best to be a different type of example for my children.
22:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, you know, Bishop, I haven't talked to you in a while, but in 2020 I met my biological family and because I'm adopted and I got a chance to meet them and I seen a lot of things in my bloodline that I love and then there were a lot of things that I
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to throw it around with that because that could be a really, really tough habit with a family coming from Canada and then moving, you know, down in New Orleans and the other places, was there anything that you saw in your family that you said, well, that part ends here when it comes to my house, we don't do it this way, but there's some borders that you said.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I almost always went family and let me just say that's first
23:12
[SPEAKER_05]: really more junior fans, so, you know, I hear your story.
23:18
[SPEAKER_05]: I know your story.
23:19
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I'm for you and encouraging to so many people.
23:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But in my family, with my dad, my dad was 53 years old when I was born.
23:35
[SPEAKER_05]: 53.
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[SPEAKER_05]: 53.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that happened because it's first wife died.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
23:42
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and they were around the same age.
23:44
[SPEAKER_05]: So my mother was much younger.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he was doing a revival in Toledo, Ohio.
23:51
[SPEAKER_05]: She was the panel player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And, and, uh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: She could sing and, you know, in that particular day, you know, you know, you're bishop and church colon Christ, they didn't believe in court.
24:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And so we just, we know, we say the Lord, tell me, you're going to be my wife.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it,
24:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I miss the other line, but I'm talking to her, because we did this by the end of it.
24:22
[SPEAKER_05]: I know that's right.
24:23
[SPEAKER_05]: And so, growing up that my father was very, very strict.
24:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
24:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, strict, strict, strict.
24:31
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we couldn't even play ball because it was like that, you know, the Bible says bodily exercise,
24:42
[SPEAKER_05]: So in school, they said, come on, I know you could play ball.
24:47
[SPEAKER_05]: You could say, oh, no, no, no, no, because you do that, then you get into that field.
24:54
[SPEAKER_05]: And you, you, uh, God's called, you couldn't call you to preach and all that.
24:58
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, I had to listen to my dad.
25:00
[SPEAKER_05]: So ball exercising in that way.
25:03
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I ran track.
25:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I could run track, because the Bible says,
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, run run run run run run is in the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Paul, he did the Bible run run run is in the Bible.
25:19
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, so he was very, very, very, very strict on us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I knew that he loved us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: See that that made the difference.
25:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: taking care of us and loving us.
25:32
[SPEAKER_05]: So we really didn't mind the discipline that he had as related to us.
25:38
[SPEAKER_05]: So when it came to my children because, you know, with my parents, is what they was always right, you know, sometimes I would...
25:46
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, we'd be doing something and he just, you know, come over and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Always if I did something that that I wasn't supposed to do an offended them or you don't just hit them wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't their fault.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a daddy sorry daddy sorry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The next generation kind of changed and got better.
26:25
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's the way it was with me, with my family.
26:28
[SPEAKER_05]: So we laugh, we talk, it's just an amazing family.
26:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Got three children, my wife is amazing and my two daughters of their blessing and PJ.
26:42
[SPEAKER_05]: And we just have a close and it family.
26:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And to me, that's what it's all about.
26:48
[SPEAKER_05]: They were nine children.
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[SPEAKER_05]: in my family growing up, so there was a lot of us, you know, my dad had a big church, and you thought of theater, renovated at the theater, and even one time with all of the children, he had brought a big nine passenger car, so we could all ride together, he liked family together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But one time, I was, they was talking after church, and I fell asleep in the back of the church, and they forgot me.
27:18
[SPEAKER_05]: And they said that one turn round Paul's not here, Paul's not here, and the end of respect to church.
27:27
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the church was dark.
27:29
[SPEAKER_05]: All the lights was out.
27:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad I didn't wake up because he was scared me to death.
27:33
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's one thing I learned that's too many children.
27:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to have nine, not going to have nine, but I appreciate that experience, but I believe with every family it's got to go to the next level.
27:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, I can mend them whenever they do something just like PJ at when he was at more house.
28:02
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, man, you got to get me.
28:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't buy a house in college, man.
28:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so proud of you.
28:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
28:10
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, but he wanted to do it.
28:12
[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, what I really love you didn't even ask me the co-sign.
28:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Really?
28:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me talk to this camera children.
28:18
[SPEAKER_04]: You like to take off in PJ Morton and go get your own house without a co-sign.
28:23
[SPEAKER_04]: We welcome you as parents.
28:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'm saying so the next generation.
28:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I just believe it's supposed to get better and better.
28:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I want my children to be better than me.
28:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I want my children to be more successful than me.
28:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, a lot of us, we try to max out and say it's just us.
28:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
28:41
[SPEAKER_05]: No, if they go take it to the next level, take it to the next level.
28:44
[SPEAKER_05]: So the areas that they are in, they take it to the next level.
28:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
28:50
[SPEAKER_04]: So what I keep hearing.
28:51
[SPEAKER_04]: is I hear a level of business acumen, because many people know you as the bishop.
28:56
[SPEAKER_04]: This bishop probably has more than, but they don't know about your civic leadership.
28:59
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't know about entrepreneurship.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't know the business acumen that you have, right?
29:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I've just now I was going to go business, but now I realize that your father had a theater where he decided to do a church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When I'm sure that wasn't popular, if you didn't have a steeple and this loan
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then we look at you with three campuses in New Orleans and then transitioning to Atlanta and then partnering with this guy that nobody knows about Tyler Perry and creating this amazing business acquisition with your last, what gave you the business acumen and how did you balance church and state and still be a prominent business man as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, first of all, that ideal of the churches came from my dad because we've had to church in Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's where I'm from and you go over the bridge or through the tunnel and you're in Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So his church in Windsor just grew so fast in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And people were coming from Detroit because he had a national radio program.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was one of the first
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[SPEAKER_05]: uh, preachers that ever had a national radio program.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so people from Detroit would just, they would come over and just pack it out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You couldn't get in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he was actually gave me the idea because in 1953, he had one church in two countries.
30:23
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I, you're right.
30:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm, I was in the same area.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One church in, you look three locations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But hey, we'd go through the tunnel, go through the Detroit church, didn't go to the Windsor church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that concept, that blessed me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I said, let me do this because we all grew, where we were in the locations that we were, and they just wanted to stay there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I said, no, let's do another location.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that came from my dad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you, you learn,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think from that, so the business side of it, and I'm so glad that I was taught real young because growing up in a preacher's home, family of preachers in our household, I was never just going to depend on the church because church folk can change on you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's why I've always been a good business person.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've always been a good investor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I let people know don't you?
31:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Where about where I live, where I drive,
31:20
[SPEAKER_05]: to this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I make records.
31:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The same books.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I just believe you have to have in this very important business side because if you put all of your eggs, even in one basket, it's not good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I just believe in in business and I've teach my children that make sure on to put no words.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I believe in that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just whatever you need to do to make your life work, make it work, where you don't have to just depend on one thing to make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's the way I'm, of course, my wife will tell you because whenever she tries to tell me to fix something and you know, I'm trying to fix it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She said, I'm so glad to know I called you the priest.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because...
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, he's my children and he's to work on my nerve because she could, she could really even with the toys and stuff, I just didn't follow those kind of instructions and I mean, and I'm trying to put their toys together for Christmas and whenever, and they've stand in the back with their mommy, do it, let my mother do it, let my mother do it, oh, get off that, I'm trying to be what they say is a man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know that's right.
32:42
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I do have to ask you this, it always was a question mark in my heart, you know, when you see a colleague that's a pastor that's doing some really, really, really great work and then you see them take such a great fall.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wish that they would, I think that that is that is so important because it's always been in my life, it can't just to be about you, it's got to be about others.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I've never, never, never lived for myself, I've never wanted
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[SPEAKER_05]: one of my members with a friend walking down the street and they see me across the street.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And the member has to say, well, don't look over there.
33:38
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's my drunk pastor.
33:42
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's just.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was more even about people than me.
33:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to show people that I could be that kind of example.
33:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think some people that get in the situations and we all make mistakes and no need and none of us acting like we're perfect.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I just believe
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[SPEAKER_05]: some things people just need to talk out.
34:07
[SPEAKER_05]: You gotta have somebody close to you to say, hey, I need to talk because I'm dealing with a situation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's why I really want to even have a mentoring program for pastors that are going through to really share with them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So they can have somebody that they can really talk to and that you don't have to handle it by yourself
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[SPEAKER_05]: mess up your life, mess up your future.
34:33
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that is so, so important because when you when you're God's preacher, it's just a standard that we have to, that we have to try to hold.
34:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I just believe that that the office of the pastor is very, very important and it's got to be respected, it's got to be honored.
34:53
[SPEAKER_04]: throughout the years, what type of accountability did you have?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are there certain people that you have that throughout throughout the years?
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[SPEAKER_05]: What type of kind of, well, you know, with my father dying at 12, you know, my brothers, you know, with me being the baby boy, they was really hard on me.
35:08
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, I have big money.
35:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes, indeed, you're trying to talk to a young girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You get on here because, you know, in fact, I remember one time embarrassed me because, and I always got away with this when I was young because I had a hernia.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, my dad believed in healing because I'm going to heal my son, going to heal my son, and it took a while.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but I worked it for all it was worth of the hernia, you know, and you got nine children, everybody got to bring big bags of groceries in, you got to do the extra work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, I didn't have to do it because I don't like to do it.
35:47
[SPEAKER_05]: They say, take that away from Paul.
35:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm proud on full speed lifting nothing but I remember one time walking to school and I saw a girl I wanted to take her books and they won my brother said, oh no, he can't take that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, he kind of hernia, he can't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I never did that anymore.
36:08
[SPEAKER_05]: But, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying, well, I do now want to go.
36:24
[SPEAKER_04]: So your dad dies at 12 years old.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I was, I was 12 years old with my dad that that was so devastated because that was my hero.
36:32
[SPEAKER_05]: They used to let me sit on the first row and hear my daddy preach.
36:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I was the baby boy.
36:38
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, 53 years old and I'm the baby.
36:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that was like Abraham.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, my daddy would take me somewhere and say, oh, Steve, you got your grandson with you.
36:49
[SPEAKER_05]: My dad said, oh, no, that's my son.
36:52
[SPEAKER_05]: My grandson.
36:52
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's a proud between you and I.
36:54
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to write to your store.
36:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand.
36:57
[SPEAKER_04]: So my dad was 52 when he adopted me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Real 51.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do one when he adopted me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I understand wherever we went.
37:07
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I see you riding with your grandson.
37:08
[SPEAKER_04]: He by no, he'll know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know preach.
37:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, sure.
37:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Guys, you know, my son right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my boy.
37:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
37:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
37:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm with that.
37:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the junior, right?
37:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He would proud.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I understand, probably go here.
37:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going here and tell me.
37:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's 53 year old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He has you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're in the front row.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You watching them pass.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he transitions when you're 12.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
37:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, again, that was a difficult time in my life.
37:36
[SPEAKER_05]: And fact, even getting back into school and all the, you know, and he actually before he passed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He took me for a ride and just turned 12 years old and out of all the children he said, listen, son, I see something in you and I'm getting ready to pray, especially blessing over you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: that the annoying thing that is on me will fall on you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He knew he was getting ready to die, but he, you know, he wouldn't tell the family.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so he prayed for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was a few months later, he was gone.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what I am grateful for, that the blessing,
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[SPEAKER_05]: was placed on me at 12, and that's why the devil tried to trick me in my mother, of course, had to bring me back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't want to do schoolwork.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't want to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And my mom had to explain to me, you know, your dad was really dependent on you, to do that blessing is on you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to do it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I picked up and realized what I had to do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's why I'm grateful.
38:42
[SPEAKER_05]: And even though with nine children, you didn't leave each of us
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[SPEAKER_05]: But one thing I got was the blessing, and so when that blessing of the Father is placed on you, when that blessing is placed on you, that's where the victory is.
39:03
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm living today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: God has been so good to me, and that right in my daddy took before he passed and laid his hand on me, pulled the car over and prayed for me and said,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I never met him, but I got an opportunity to meet the fruit of his life, and I'm grateful for that.
39:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, bless you.
39:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God is good.
39:26
[SPEAKER_04]: God is good.
39:27
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, I know you 35, been 35 to last 35 years.
39:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're still looking amazing.
39:33
[SPEAKER_04]: when people, you know, a hundred years from now, gotta pray you live to be a hundred and seventy-five.
39:39
[SPEAKER_04]: When they look back at the legacy in life, a Bishop Paul Less Morton, some may think about the songs, others may think about the sermons.
39:47
[SPEAKER_04]: But what would you like people to remember about the man of integrity that you are?
39:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, when you think about legacy, legacy is how you want to be remembered.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to be remembered, not in presiding, bishop, not for being pastor, not for being this or that, but he had a heart for people he was real.
40:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's, hey, that's what I remember.
40:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, and I'm so serious about it.
40:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's that's important.
40:23
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, hey, when people say what I love about you,
40:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
40:31
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I love.
40:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember walking into that church.
40:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought when I preach that church church that you will be sitting up there as a pastor.
40:41
[SPEAKER_05]: To that church up, though, you'll be a shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think people know how nervous you are when you preach it on the front row.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you've time to thank Mr. Paul, that's one of my keys in my heart that believe he's sitting right there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I was just blew my mind that day.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and the Lord really showed up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was very young in my ministry still, attempting to find my voice, but so grateful for the opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I just remember looking and you engaged and just being there and I was just like, I remember texting back to my home pastor and I was like, man, I just preached that Bishop Paul that's more in church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he stayed, you know that was such a moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What would Bishop Paul that's more in say to,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Tom Morton at 35, who he really gear enough to be this passer to do a stay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what would you tell him now?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've ever tell him, uh, balance balance because, um, I was such a workaholic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it was work, work, work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's had to be excellence.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It had to be right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I had to learn that it's important that you have to develop people around you in order for you to really happen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't do it all by yourself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I learned the importance and that happened after my breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to take a break.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to rest, just can't keep going.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to do a vacation and we do vacations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We do all of that now because Jesus rested.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the Bible tells you Jesus rested.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So while we think we can go every day, all day, all year, five years, ten years, just I'm serving the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm working for the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm working
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[SPEAKER_05]: And sometimes you don't even know how tired you are.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've walked in church sometimes just because I was overworked.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's wrong with these lights today?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing passed the lights already.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was just tired.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was wrong with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think that that's what I would tell young pastors, make sure you have a balance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would speak to myself that my 35-year-old self.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I would tell my 35-year-old self.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now balance it out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Balance it out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so we do it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We do our family vacations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we do just me and my wife's vacation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of that's important, this is a little equal to really make life work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you speaking to me now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do have to ask you this in terms of like the body of Christ in the culture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's one of the biggest blind spots you think the body of Christ has right now?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The main problem at the body of Christ has now like just a blind spot that might not even be aware of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's you know, I heard you speaking about politics and having her bold voice now to say, hey man, this part isn't right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like what blind spot in this year
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think we have to, a blind spot is one of the major problems I see, and I've read something that was really important that it said exercise is good for you, eating right is good for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But the greatest thing that a person can have for himself or herself is fellowship.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're living in a day now, it's just about us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When I grew up, we knew all our neighbors down the street, down that street sometime.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We don't even know our next door neighbors now because everybody's in their own world.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I think that that even hurts the church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't even believe that we all just get so involved in just
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[SPEAKER_05]: social media and virtual church sometime it's good to come to the Father's house if you're able.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't because I'm you know when I'm in one city and in another city a virtual is great, but sometimes just to go and encourage somebody else talk to somebody how you do what praying for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Love you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just hope we don't lose that culture of fellowship and I think the church
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of missing that now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The pandemic just kind of just drained people spirit as it relates to a like where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is where I do just by myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just let me be by myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So why would I?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, God saw before we saw, it's that's why it's said for sake, not the assembling of yourselves together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If you can do it, there's something about fellowship.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You do encouraging one another, lifting one another of people to deal with problems, but they have nobody, they're sitting over here, that they can talk to and nobody over here, that they can talk to, because everybody.
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[SPEAKER_05]: is he can eat and bacon and eggs at home by themselves?
46:45
[SPEAKER_05]: This is why some say preach preacher.
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[SPEAKER_05]: preach preach.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cronent, crying in the bathroom.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Get over there.
46:53
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I was with my, I was with my, my seven year old daughter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we go, I go to celebrate recovery because through my process, I started to drink too much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, to some of my friends, they thought,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Man, you ain't doing them, but I'm a little dragging more, I'm a little dragging.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not you, I'm a little drunk or we'll have you, but it's something about being on the inside.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know that this is, but over my privilege, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm supposed to be a man of God, and this is what I'm doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm wearing mad, like I knew I had a problem, Bishop, when I had the mask on, because it's covered, let me do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause the mask on and the hat on going into the liquor store.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I must have been going too much, because when I walked in, the woman said,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jack, Dan, you double shot with this distance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I look at the way and said, oh, I got a mask on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a beer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you do, but you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I went on to this ministry called Celebrate Recovery and it's not online.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to go in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so every Thursday for me, it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: it is church the way I think church should be like when they when the worship leader gets up and they say I'm a grateful believer in Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My struggle is pornography.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I struggle with alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My name is Jesse and that woman goes to worship and then when the next person comes out when he's about to give the announcement.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My name is Chris.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I'm a you put Jesus in the front.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a grateful believer in Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My struggle is pornography and anger.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My name is Craig.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he gives the announcements.
48:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's almost as if like for the first time in my life, I saw church as the hospital for the same.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I was looking at somebody and that's the way we greet each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My, hey, I'm a grateful believer in Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I struggle with co-dependency.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My struggle with alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My name is Willie and it's like you greet with Jesus in the form making everything in the middle and your name at the M in Jesus can cover it cover everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I begin the experience church differently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because I was looking at everybody, not as perfection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I looked at us all there for the same reason and the ground was level.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So support system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And like I've been sober and I don't have those desires to any of that stuff because because of the fellowship.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My son was like, Dad, why don't you always Thursday, you got to go to recovery and run there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't even drink anymore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't do any of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I said because it's not about me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to be there for the next dude who struggling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he can see that it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's, and again, getting back to my breakdown, and people didn't understand me because when I got back and I was healed, everything was fine, but I sat myself down for 40 days as the pastor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, pastor, you ain't got to do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you're the pastor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We know that you had that breaker.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I said no.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I should have kept the spirit over the mind.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been preaching to you about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, hey, I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm, hey, hey.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So,
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[SPEAKER_05]: If I'm wrong, I'm, you know, somebody else would sit down and just listen to the word, I need to just sit down and let somebody preach to me, you know, that support system there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I know what you're talking about and people need to see that kind of realness.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that happens when you're there and you're able to communicate and understand what somebody is going through, what somebody's dealing with makes a difference.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, family, listen, you know I gotta land this plane.
50:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so grateful it's hard to preach when the ultimate preachers see what I pray this, I pray this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is what I pray this is that life is so much bigger than yourself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What you're seeing was a man who actually loves people, God's people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hate to say this and I know hate to strong word.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You just don't see it that often in the body of Christ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I wish we did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what, I wish I wish we cared about our fellow man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wish we honored each other the way God wants us to honor each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wish we could look at somebody while they were in the time of need and going through tough times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Instead of just putting it online and speaking to you a little bit, we would pray before we say, like, going through something that I've had to go through and celebrate recovery teaching me that everything could be different, helped a lot, but I don't say this massage initially because he's here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This has always been a kind man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what he doesn't know is that sometimes I would be questioning myself if I was even supposed to be there because we all know what we did last summer or what our past looks like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But sometime it only takes a kind smile and a kind word.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That could change your trajectory of somebody's life, just because you took the time to care.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so my challenge to you as you watch this entire interview, I pray that the thread of the conversation was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, I really think, I really think he cares.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And my prayer is that when people meet you, they could say the same thing.
51:56
[SPEAKER_04]: because God cares about us and sometimes the only representation that people ever get the opportunity to see is you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the question becomes, could you be kind to your neighbor across the aisle, can we fellowship again, to be what God really wants us to be, the body of Christ, and not just
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[SPEAKER_04]: Christians who do everything on their own.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He desires to come back then the only way that he can do what is with us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Fellowship together in attempting to get on one accord to kindness and love.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't forget to love yourself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: More.