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Credlin | 8 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program. Thank you, Jamie, for filling in
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Speaker 3: last week. Had a bit of a sore throat before
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Speaker 3: I headed up to Far North Queensland for a dear
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Speaker 3: friend's birthday. Shout out to everyone in Port Douglas who
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Speaker 3: stopped me in the street and said g'day. I love
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Speaker 3: your support of me and what we do here on
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Speaker 3: The Credlin Show and I love Far North Queensland. All right,
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Speaker 3: busy show tonight.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal leader Jess Wilson live in the studio, Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor too, plus Lucy Delick. Carolee Katzenbarnes and my wonderful
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Speaker 3: international panel and more. Tonight, first to New South Wales,
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Speaker 3: we'll have a look at what's happened there. The Premier
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Speaker 3: rolling out the state's new police armed response command. I've
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Speaker 3: seen similar squads overseas to combat terrorism. I think it's
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Speaker 3: a good thing. But isn't this what we wanted the
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Speaker 3: Royal Commission to investigate? And yet neither the police chief
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Speaker 3: there or the AFP boss, Chrissie Barrett, have even fronted
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Speaker 3: the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: It is a joke.
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Speaker 3: Plus, youth crime, a key concern now, one month after
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Speaker 3: the Victorian election. Revelations today that police in Victoria have
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Speaker 3: been told to go easy on young criminals. Australia's housing pain,
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Speaker 3: despite all the promises and all the billions, labours behind
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Speaker 3: on new build targets by some 100%.
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Speaker 2: And more, too, on.
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Speaker 3: That crazy High Court ruling and what it means for
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Speaker 3: the mining sector as Australia is forced to take account
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Speaker 3: of emissions that are not even produced here. And I
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Speaker 3: promise you, they'll start with coal, then it will be
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Speaker 3: agriculture and more.
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Speaker 4: But it's completely unacceptable that a coal mine expansion or
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Speaker 4: coal mine development not proceed because coal of legislation where
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Speaker 4: there's a requirement to take into consideration the customer's emissions.
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Speaker 3: But first, the Albanese government has tried to walk both
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Speaker 3: sides of the street on yesterday's landmark decision in the
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Speaker 3: High Court regarding the planned expansion of the Mount Pleasant
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Speaker 3: coal mine in New South Wales. On the one hand,
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Speaker 3: it's all about net zero, says the government. But on
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Speaker 3: the other hand, it knows it needs the export revenues
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Speaker 3: from coal and other fossil fuels to stop the budget
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Speaker 3: further sliding into the red. Not to mention all the
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Speaker 3: Labor voters it has, or at least it used to have,
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Speaker 3: in coal mining seats across Australia. Then there's the reality too,
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Speaker 3: with the Albanese government spending taxpayer billions to keep ageing
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Speaker 3: coal-fired generators up and running, lest industries shut down and
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Speaker 3: the lights go out across the nation.
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Speaker 2: And I mean that literally. Here's the Industry Minister, Tim Ayres, today.
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Speaker 5: Scope 3 emissions, it's our partner's responsibility. China, Korea, Japan,
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Speaker 5: the United States, wherever we are exporting, whether they're raw
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Speaker 5: primary products or industrial products overseas, it's the responsibility and
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Speaker 5: can only be the responsibility of our partner economies to
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Speaker 5: do that.
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Speaker 6: OK.
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Speaker 3: So their responsibility, says Labor. Labor now loves coal. Looks
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Speaker 3: like it, doesn't it? They love it because without coal's
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Speaker 3: big export dollars into the budget, things, Jim Chalmers, would
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Speaker 3: be in even worse shape than now. And Labor's record
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Speaker 3: low primary vote, will that it even be lower given
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Speaker 3: the seats where there is coal mining?
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Speaker 2: Or do they? Who's telling the truth here?
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Speaker 3: Because take a look at this decision just five months ago.
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Speaker 2: Well, it tells a very different story.
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Speaker 3: Back in May, Australia voted at the United Nations to
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Speaker 3: welcome a landmark decision from the International Court of Justice
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Speaker 3: about climate change and the demand that countries like Australia
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Speaker 3: take responsibility for our export of fossil fuels and downstream emissions. Today,
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Speaker 3: Labor ministers were all out there trying to walk away
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Speaker 3: from yesterday's High Court decision on Scope 3 emissions. That's
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Speaker 3: the emissions created in the country that buys and burns
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Speaker 3: our coal. that somehow those offshore emissions are the responsibility
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Speaker 3: of Australia, the country that sold them the coal.
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Speaker 2: That's what Scope 3 means. These ministers are saying that
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Speaker 2: either they.
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Speaker 3: Now don't agree with the High Court or that scope
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Speaker 3: emissions are somehow a problem for New South Wales to solve.
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Speaker 3: But that's disingenuous at best, fraudulent more likely. Because the
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Speaker 3: federal government was the ones that instructed our UN ambassador
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Speaker 3: to vote and say that Scope 3 emission penalties are
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Speaker 3: a good thing. Now, the Albanese government had a choice
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Speaker 3: in May at the UN. They could have voted no.
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Speaker 3: Australia could have voted no alongside many other big fossil
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Speaker 3: fuel nations like the United States, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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Speaker 3: We could have even abstained. A whole lot of other
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Speaker 3: nations didn't vote at all. But not only did we
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Speaker 3: vote in support of this nonsense, our ambassador even went
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Speaker 3: on the record to welcome it, declaring that Australia is proud,
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Speaker 3: he said, to stand with you in supporting this resolution.
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Speaker 3: So how then are these comments from the Environment Minister
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Speaker 3: Murray Watt even credible?
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't automatically transfer to Commonwealth decisions. or Commonwealth legislation.
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Speaker 1: That was a very specific requirement under New South Wales
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Speaker 1: law that doesn't exist in Commonwealth law. So at this
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Speaker 1: early stage, I wouldn't necessarily say that it will flow
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Speaker 1: onto Commonwealth decisions as well.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't automatically translate, he says, to a Commonwealth decision. Well,
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Speaker 3: it does, Murray Watt, when back in May, the Commonwealth
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Speaker 3: voted yes at the United Nations elections. Now, coal burnt
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Speaker 3: overseas counts towards the importing country's emissions. That's what he
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Speaker 3: said under pressure today. That's exactly what his industry colleague,
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Speaker 3: and I played it a bit before, Tim Eyre, said
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Speaker 3: as well. But that's not how the government played the
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Speaker 3: game back in May when they instructed our UN ambassador
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Speaker 3: to vote yes. Now, the UN vote didn't cause the
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Speaker 3: High Court judgment.
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Speaker 2: They're legally separate.
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Speaker 3: But Canberra cannot credibly portray the broader issue of responsibility
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Speaker 3: for exported fossil fuel emissions as something that appeared out
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Speaker 3: of nowhere today. Australia participated in that international process and
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Speaker 3: then we deliberately voted yes when all of these other
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Speaker 3: nations voted no and more still abstained. Now, to be fair,
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Speaker 3: Australia qualified its yes vote by saying it did not
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Speaker 3: agree with every element of the ICJ opinion. So that
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Speaker 3: begs the question, doesn't it? What elements did Australia disagree with?
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Speaker 3: Did it reject the ICJ's position concerning fossil fuel production
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Speaker 3: and downstream emissions? If so, why did Australia vote yes?
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Speaker 2: If not... What advice.
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Speaker 3: Did any of these Albanese government ministers receive about the
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Speaker 3: consequences for Australian coal and LNG exports before Australia cast
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Speaker 3: that vote in yes terms at the UN? Were ministers
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Speaker 3: warned about future Australian litigation involving Scope 3 emissions? Did
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Speaker 3: we understand the hit it would have on the federal
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Speaker 3: budget on jobs in Australia? Now, in all of this,
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government must come clean. I know that there
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Speaker 3: will be ministerial briefs, legal advice and instructions to Australia's
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Speaker 3: UN mission to answer all of these questions. And when
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Speaker 3: the parliament returns next week, this issue must be pursued.
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Speaker 3: It's on the coalition now to demand the release of
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Speaker 3: all of these documents and and pursue the government given
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Speaker 3: Australia's multi-billion dollar trade in coal and gas is now
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Speaker 3: under threat. In May, the US and Saudi Arabia looked
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Speaker 3: at that UN resolution, they said no. Australia looked at
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Speaker 3: the very same resolution and we said yes, saying that
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Speaker 3: we were proud to vote yes. Five months on, we've
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Speaker 3: now got Scope 3 emissions from Australian coal burned overseas
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Speaker 3: at the centre of a landmark High Court judgement. And
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Speaker 3: you've got every Labor minister in the past 24 hours scrambling.
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Speaker 3: Yet again, the Albanese government's been caught red-handed here, saying
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Speaker 3: one thing to UN elites in New York and something very,
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Speaker 3: very different to coal miners and Labor voters here at home.
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Speaker 3: Not to mention the catastrophic hit on the federal budget
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Speaker 3: if this has put any of our coal and export dollars,
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Speaker 3: coal and gas export dollars at risk, worth a combined
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Speaker 3: $ 150 billion a year. Let's stick with the Labor line theme.
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Speaker 3: I want to pick up these comments today from Professor
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Speaker 3: Anne Toomey, one of the country's leading constitutional experts, who's
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Speaker 3: had this to say about the Prime Minister's decision.
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Speaker 2: To hand $ 6.
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Speaker 3: Million to the Marrickville Golf Club, 200 metres from his
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Speaker 3: back fence, of a property worth $ 3 million that he
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Speaker 3: owns nearby. Said Toomey in her submission to the Senate
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Speaker 3: Committee investigating Labor's community grants program, she says it's grey corruption.
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Speaker 3: Declaring the system is a farce, dressed up as political favours,
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Speaker 3: dressing up political favours as sound public policy. This is
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Speaker 3: Rob Harris's report today in the Sydney Morning Herald, where
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Speaker 3: he said that Toomey said politicians needed a lesson in
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Speaker 3: integrity before promising taxpayer money to local projects. In her
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Speaker 3: written submission to the investigative Senate hearing, Toomey noted that
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Speaker 3: even before this.
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Speaker 2: Latest $ 6.
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Speaker 3: Million grant, the PM's golf mates had earlier received some
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Speaker 3: five separate federal grants, totaling $ 58, 000. They were effectively gifts
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Speaker 3: of political largesse, said Toomey. Labor's $ 560 billion community grant
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Speaker 3: scheme was half a billion dollars worth of pork barreling,
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Speaker 3: a process we know shrouded in secrecy, with organisations getting
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Speaker 3: the money effectively tapped on the shoulder by Labor mates
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Speaker 3: and told to apply. It was a closed and non-competitive process,
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Speaker 3: said Toomey. And as we already know from analysis done
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Speaker 3: by the Centre for Public Integrity, 73% of the funding
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Speaker 3: went to Labor-held or key marginal seats. Now, as we've
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Speaker 3: shown here repeatedly on Credlin, Albanese himself made the announcement
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Speaker 3: to hand the $ 6 million to his local golf club
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Speaker 3: without disclosing he was an honorary member of the club
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Speaker 3: or indeed a very close neighbour. He made his announcement
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Speaker 3: in April last year, six months before there was even
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Speaker 3: a process set up by his minister, his factional mate
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Speaker 3: Catherine King, thereby raising serious concerns about the scheme's financial integrity.
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Speaker 3: Concerns clearly shared by Professor Toomey, who said this, The
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Speaker 3: system is a farce. with paperwork drafted to justify decisions
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Speaker 3: already made without any consideration of merit, need, value for
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Speaker 3: money or public interest. But that isn't how the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister sees it.
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Speaker 7: The decision maker is the Minister for Infrastructure.
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Speaker 4: I'm not even the decision maker.
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Speaker 3: Well, not so, says the constitutional expert, and to me
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Speaker 3: arguing that grant rules had effectively been constructed to give
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Speaker 3: the public appearance of integrity while allowing politicians to deliver
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Speaker 3: promises already made. And we know that this is exactly
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Speaker 3: how the golf club saw it. They posted a video,
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Speaker 3: of course, to Facebook where they congratulated the PM for
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Speaker 3: the millions some two months before there was even a
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Speaker 3: program in place to deliver the money from the minister,
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Speaker 3: before the club and the mayor even had demonstrable plans
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Speaker 3: as to how to spend your six million.
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Speaker 8: Well, we're here at Marrickville Golf Club having a conversation
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Speaker 8: about the $ 6 million renovation that is soon to take
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Speaker 8: place here at this clubhouse, which is going to be
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Speaker 8: even better. I'm here with the Deputy Mayor, Matt Howard,
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Speaker 8: and with Andrew and Matt from Marrickville Golf Club. And
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Speaker 8: thanks to the Federal Labor Government and to Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: Albo for the $ 6 million grant.
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Speaker 3: I mean, just when you're struggling to make ends meet,
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Speaker 3: Labor can still find new ways to waste your money
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Speaker 3: And it stinks. All right, let's head to camera now
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Speaker 3: for the headlines with our political reporter, Cam Redden.
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Speaker 9: Rocked by a high court ruling, the New South Wales
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Speaker 9: Premier digs in over his mining laws.
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Speaker 10: I don't think everyone should overreact to the decision and
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Speaker 10: I also don't think that activists who are considering court
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Speaker 10: actions should get overexcited.
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Speaker 9: The judgment found his state's planning commission had failed to
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Speaker 9: impose conditions on a Hunter Valley coal mine expansion that
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Speaker 9: would have forced it to limit Scope 3 emissions as
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Speaker 9: much as possible. That is greenhouse gas from exported Australian
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Speaker 9: coal that's burned overseas.
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Speaker 4: Not emissions of the coal mine, emissions of their customer.
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Speaker 9: The Albanese government also taking issue.
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Speaker 5: The Scope 3 emissions, it's our partner's responsibility. China, Korea, Japan,
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Speaker 5: the United States.
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Speaker 9: Chris Min says the mine's operator, Mac Energy, will reapply
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Speaker 9: for its extension. and that rules have changed since 2022
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Speaker 9: when the approval was initially granted.
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Speaker 2: And the court has interrupted that, of course it has.
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Speaker 2: But it's important that people have their say.
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Speaker 9: The mining industry's great fear is that this decision may
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Speaker 9: set a precedent, not just in New South Wales, but
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Speaker 9: for projects nationwide and grind investment to a halt.
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Speaker 11: Scope 3 emissions should be taken out of New South
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Speaker 11: Wales law.
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Speaker 4: This is legislation that has been put in place by
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Speaker 4: the Minsk government. They should repeal it.
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Speaker 10: We are a mining industry that takes into consideration environmental factors,
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Speaker 10: and I don't think we should just be jettisoning that reputation.
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Speaker 9: A reputation under constant legal review. Cameron Redden, News 24, Canberra.
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Speaker 3: But as I've just showed you, Australia voted in support
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Speaker 3: of this federally. The federal government instructed the UN, our
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Speaker 3: ambassador at the UN, to vote for this in May.
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Speaker 3: So who is telling the truth? Let's bring in my
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Speaker 3: Thursday night panel now, News 24 contributor Carolee Katsibanas and
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Speaker 3: broadcaster Lucy Zelik from Sydney. Welcome to you both. I'll
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Speaker 3: start with you if I can, Lucy. This decision in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales today to create the Police Armed Response Command,
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Speaker 3: I've seen similar models overseas. I saw them in London
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Speaker 3: and Paris. where they deal with terrorism, they're available to
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Speaker 3: move very quickly into an area where there is a
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Speaker 3: loss of life or terror threat, I think is a
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Speaker 3: good thing. But, I mean, this is what we thought
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Speaker 3: we'd get out of a Royal Commission when we had
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Speaker 3: police give evidence, state and federal.
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Speaker 2: That hasn't happened.
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Speaker 3: This has happened well before we get the report from
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Speaker 3: the Royal Commission, which just underscores, I think, what an
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Speaker 3: absolute waste of time and money when it could have
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Speaker 3: done so much more.
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Speaker 12: Great to have you back, Peter.
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Speaker 13: Couldn't agree more with you on that point, and you've
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Speaker 13: been very staunch in putting the spotlight on this particular issue.
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Speaker 13: Dare I say, though, coming into this Royal Commission when
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Speaker 13: we saw that it was announced... And the timeframe that
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Speaker 13: was allocated to it, I think there was already some
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Speaker 13: unrest amongst many of us who thought that this was
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Speaker 13: going to be somewhat of a sham. And when you
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Speaker 13: have the CEO of Netball Australia testifying and you don't
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Speaker 13: have the likes of senior police commissioners available, as you
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Speaker 13: have highlighted time and time again, what was the purpose
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Speaker 13: of it?
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Speaker 12: What tangible evidence and results will we get out of this?
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Speaker 13: It really begs the question if this was just a
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Speaker 13: gargantuan waste of taxpayer money and of our time.
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Speaker 12: The thing that I look.
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Speaker 13: To when I assess everything with respect to the long
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Speaker 13: arms is many police officers that I spoke to in
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Speaker 13: the aftermath said, we've been calling for this for a
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Speaker 13: long time, right? And that hindsight is a beautiful thing
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Speaker 13: and that we would have benefited from being able to
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Speaker 13: have something like this in the face of all of
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Speaker 13: the threats that we've seen come out of ASIO, pointing
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Speaker 13: us to the fact that.
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Speaker 12: Terrorism is a real threat in this country.
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Speaker 13: I support the decision wholeheartedly. But what I will say
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Speaker 13: as a final point is, is this the price of multiculturalism?
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Speaker 4: Is it?
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Speaker 13: Is this what we have to endure in this great
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Speaker 13: country of ours when we consider what we have been
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Speaker 13: and what we could be?
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Speaker 3: And this is the price people aren't willing to pay,
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Speaker 3: I think, if the polls are any indication.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the ATO.
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Speaker 3: They are banning the use of credit card payments on
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Speaker 3: anyone owing them money. But poor old small business have
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Speaker 3: got a cupboard in the neck. They've got to basically
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Speaker 3: wear additional costs or pass them on. It's been pointed
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Speaker 3: out to the government, Carolee, that this is a huge
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Speaker 3: cash flow issue for small business. But, again, this is
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Speaker 3: the federal government that says, I don't hold a hose.
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Speaker 3: Everyone's scrambling. You've got some ministers saying it's a good decision. Others,
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Speaker 3: like the Small Business Minister, Anne Arley, saying, yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: a problem, but the ATO has to fix it. I mean,
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Speaker 3: who's the monkey and who's the organ grinder here?
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Speaker 7: Goodness, good evening, Peter and Lucy and everyone. Look, is
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Speaker 7: there anything left from the May budget that is not
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Speaker 7: a complete, unmitigated disaster by this government? We know that
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Speaker 7: the government is no friend of Australian small businesses.
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Speaker 2: There's about.
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Speaker 7: 2.8 Australian small businesses operating today. And the irony is
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Speaker 7: the Australian Taxation Office, last time I checked, was actually
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Speaker 7: a government agency. So they can't even come to the
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Speaker 7: party and actually work this out. They make these announcements
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Speaker 7: and they actually don't do the work beforehand. You've also
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Speaker 7: got Housing Minister Claire O'Neill that's also come out backing
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Speaker 7: Anne Ali.
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Speaker 2: She's got major concerns about it.
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Speaker 7: Well, fix it. Because the bottom line is all these
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Speaker 7: small businesses need to be protected. It is perfectly legal
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Speaker 7: for small business to be managing their cash flow. Some
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Speaker 7: months are good, some months are bad by using a
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Speaker 7: credit card. It's been done forever. And instead of the
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Speaker 7: prime minister being right over there in Cop in Fiji,
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Speaker 7: why doesn't he hop back on the plane and actually
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Speaker 7: sort this out? Because if he's not careful, there'll be
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Speaker 7: more and more small businesses and livelihoods and Australians that
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Speaker 7: will just be going to the wall.
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Speaker 3: I know you mentioned COP in Fiji. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: can't believe we paid $ 20 million to watch those clowns
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Speaker 3: fall asleep in their crazy coloured shirts, said poor old
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Speaker 3: taxpayers are struggling to make ends meet.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to this story about.
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Speaker 3: An Islamic media group getting $ 300, 000 plus here, Lucy, from
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke for media spin, despite having filmed a Dr.
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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan with terror leaders, Taliban leaders, labelled our soldiers
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Speaker 3: as terrorists. A, we've got to cancel this immediately, but
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Speaker 3: we've got to do a bit of an audit to
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Speaker 3: see where else are we wasting money like this?
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Speaker 13: Can you imagine now how the men who went over
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Speaker 13: to serve and the men and women, in fact, who
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Speaker 13: have served our country and have been on the ground
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Speaker 13: in Afghanistan would be feeling looking at this, Peter? Is
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Speaker 13: this how we honour the memory of the 41 slain
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Speaker 13: soldiers in Afghanistan? I mean, it's remarkable to me, and
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Speaker 13: it's not just.
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Speaker 12: Over $ 300, 000, over three independent soldiers.
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Speaker 13: Muslim associated media organisations have received to the tune of
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Speaker 13: half a million dollars and are supporting a preacher who's
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Speaker 13: been banned in two European countries and who the UK
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Speaker 13: Women's Association actually pushed to have banned from.
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Speaker 12: Visiting in 2025.
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Speaker 13: Because he promoted messages like this, saying, in the eyes
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Speaker 13: of God, a person who commits murder, rape, including child
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Speaker 13: rape and other heinous crimes, even on a daily basis,
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Speaker 13: is better than someone who does not commit such acts
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Speaker 13: but fails to pray, end quote. Is this who our
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Speaker 13: government are funding? Is this who they want to platform
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Speaker 13: and show support to?
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Speaker 12: Shame on them. It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to yet another, sorry, economic statistic for the
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Speaker 3: government here. We've got a lot of promises and a
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Speaker 3: lot of billions being spent on so-called housing shortages. I
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Speaker 3: still haven't got to the bottom of what is social housing.
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Speaker 3: It's not what we think it is in terms of
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Speaker 3: the Housing Commission, but that's for another night. $ 130, 000, says
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Speaker 3: the ABS, we are behind in our building homes target, Carolee.
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Speaker 2: So how does Labor spin this one?
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Speaker 7: To quote Seinfeld, it's not a lie, Gerry, as long
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Speaker 7: as you believe it. We're being gaslit by the Australian
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Speaker 7: government every single day. The thing is we've had Danita
21:51
Speaker 7: Warne from Master Builders Association very clearly in the last
21:55
Speaker 7: year or so spell out what is needed. to get
21:58
Speaker 7: Australia's house building happening. But we've also got the migration
22:02
Speaker 7: problem and the volume of migrants that are coming in
22:06
Speaker 7: that are greenlit to be able to come through. We've
22:09
Speaker 7: got a supply problem as well. We don't have enough
22:11
Speaker 7: people to do the trades to actually do the work.
22:14
Speaker 7: 1.2 million houses is meant to be the target, but
22:18
Speaker 7: we're 480,000 homes short. There have only been a couple
22:22
Speaker 7: of extra thousand homes built in the last couple of years.
22:24
Speaker 7: We average about 355,000 each year. But the problem is
22:29
Speaker 7: we keep saying we have a lack of skilled tradesmen
22:33
Speaker 7: and tradespeople, I should say men and women, But we're
22:35
Speaker 7: not actually addressing what Australia needs. We need to have
22:38
Speaker 7: a proper chat. But any time anyone wants to talk
22:40
Speaker 7: about the proper migration pathway to make Australia great, the
22:45
Speaker 7: racism card is pulled out. Whereas we've got to be
22:47
Speaker 7: careful who we're actually bringing into the country. What contribution
22:51
Speaker 7: are they actually making? But the government, as you say,
22:54
Speaker 7: can keep saying this because they just seem to make
22:57
Speaker 7: it up as they go along. And then when it
22:59
Speaker 7: doesn't suit the narrative, they just gaslight all Australians.
23:03
Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies. I'll leave it there.
23:05
Speaker 3: Bit of a fiery way to end the week. Thank
23:07
Speaker 3: you to you both. All right, now to the countdown
23:09
Speaker 3: to the Victorian election. It's next month. It's next month now.
23:14
Speaker 3: Just on six weeks to go. Plenty of promises from
23:17
Speaker 3: both sides of the chamber. Polling last week showing absolutely
23:21
Speaker 3: Victorians think youth crime is a big issue.
23:24
Speaker 2: But what about that news today?
23:26
Speaker 3: Rank and file police officers effectively being told, go easy
23:31
Speaker 3: on young offenders.
23:32
Speaker 2: This is a directive.
23:33
Speaker 3: That's been sent out to officers obtained by the Herald
23:38
Speaker 3: Sun to apply, quote, the least restrictive option that is
23:41
Speaker 3: appropriate in the circumstances, including simple cautions. So just a
23:47
Speaker 3: mere caution, that's it. Here to discuss it, Victorian Opposition
23:50
Speaker 3: Leader Jess Wilson. Well, you are at the business end
23:53
Speaker 3: of the season now, if we can have a bit
23:54
Speaker 3: of footy parlance on the desk. You know, everywhere you go,
23:58
Speaker 3: you get stories, I know, of crime, and we all
24:01
Speaker 3: see the news reports. They're not 28-year-olds and 40-year-olds increasingly.
24:05
Speaker 3: They're younger and younger offenders. So why would we go
24:08
Speaker 3: easy on them?
24:09
Speaker 11: It makes absolutely no sense when we've got youth crime
24:13
Speaker 11: at record levels, when we've got a revolving door of
24:16
Speaker 11: bail and repeat offenders, particularly youth offenders. But, Peter, being
24:21
Speaker 11: weak on crime is in Labor's DNA. And if you
24:25
Speaker 11: look at their blueprint, their plan for the next four
24:27
Speaker 11: years is giving young offenders more cautions is in black
24:31
Speaker 11: and white. That's what will happen if we re-elect a
24:34
Speaker 11: Labor government here. And Victorians have had enough.
24:38
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen.
24:39
Speaker 11: Shocking incidents in the past few weeks. We've seen firebombing
24:42
Speaker 11: after firebombing every night because there are no consequences for
24:46
Speaker 11: breaking the law. But that can change and it will
24:49
Speaker 11: change with my team. We have the plan to make
24:52
Speaker 11: sure that there are consequences for breaking the law, but
24:55
Speaker 11: also we're ready to get it done. this side of Christmas.
24:59
Speaker 11: We cannot wait. We need to change the law and
25:01
Speaker 11: get tough on crime.
25:02
Speaker 2: So are you fair dinkum?
25:04
Speaker 3: You said to me a couple of months ago that
25:05
Speaker 3: you'll sit on Christmas Eve if you have to.
25:08
Speaker 2: Are you fair dinkum? 100%.
25:09
Speaker 12: We are ready to go.
25:11
Speaker 11: As you know, 100 days out from the election, we
25:14
Speaker 11: released our.
25:15
Speaker 2: 100-day plan to get to work.
25:18
Speaker 11: If we are given the honour of being the next
25:20
Speaker 11: government here, if I'm the state's next premier, I will
25:23
Speaker 11: not miss a moment. Because we can't afford to waste.
25:27
Speaker 11: Victorians don't feel safe in their homes, in their streets.
25:30
Speaker 11: This state is falling apart when it comes to our roads.
25:33
Speaker 11: We need to start fixing Victoria now and my team
25:36
Speaker 11: is ready to go.
25:37
Speaker 2: You know, I've.
25:37
Speaker 3: Just come back from Port Douglas in far north Queensland
25:40
Speaker 3: and as soon as I say that I'm a Victorian,
25:42
Speaker 3: and most people know I'm a Victorian, they're like, aren't
25:45
Speaker 3: you embarrassed?
25:46
Speaker 2: How bad is Victoria? Is it really what we see
25:48
Speaker 2: on TV? I mean, we are making news.
25:51
Speaker 3: not just around the country, I'm assuming it's also internationally, Jess,
25:54
Speaker 3: for all the wrong reasons. And I think Victorians are
25:57
Speaker 3: desperate to get some pride back. You know, I want
26:00
Speaker 3: to be able to go interstate and proclaim I'm from Melbourne.
26:03
Speaker 2: We used to have a great brand. We've got a
26:05
Speaker 2: shocking brand now.
26:06
Speaker 11: And it makes me so sad to think that that
26:09
Speaker 11: is the case in other parts of Australia but right
26:12
Speaker 11: around the world because I truly believe this is the
26:15
Speaker 11: best part of Australia. Victoria is the greatest state. It
26:18
Speaker 11: has the best foundations. And I want to bring the
26:21
Speaker 11: hope and optimism back to this state. It's why I
26:24
Speaker 11: do this, Peter. I love it here. I'm raising my
26:27
Speaker 11: family here. And I want it to be the place
26:29
Speaker 11: that it was when I was growing up, when it
26:31
Speaker 11: was safe to ride my bike outside after school. You know,
26:34
Speaker 11: I could walk to the milk bar and my parents
26:36
Speaker 11: weren't worried about my safety. That you could get a
26:38
Speaker 11: tram in Melbourne and not being worried about being stabbed
26:41
Speaker 11: by someone out on bail.
26:43
Speaker 3: I was going to say, which we saw the other day,
26:45
Speaker 3: and the individual charged.
26:47
Speaker 2: allegedly, we.
26:48
Speaker 3: Know the individual was out on bail, but.
26:52
Speaker 2: I'll use the allegedly in relation to the crime. How
26:54
Speaker 2: does that happen?
26:55
Speaker 12: How does that happen?
26:56
Speaker 11: It happens because we have a week on crime premier.
27:00
Speaker 11: Ben Carroll was the Minister for Crime Prevention. Yet we
27:04
Speaker 11: have record levels of crime in this state. And roads,
27:07
Speaker 11: and look at the potholes. And public transport, when we
27:10
Speaker 11: got a secret tax on every single public transport fare.
27:13
Speaker 11: But you know, Peter, I think that Victorians have made
27:16
Speaker 11: their mind up in large part about Ben Carroll and Labor.
27:19
Speaker 11: What I'm asking them now is to get behind me
27:22
Speaker 11: and my team for that real change because we have
27:25
Speaker 11: to get it done.
27:25
Speaker 2: That's your challenge, Jess, isn't it?
27:26
Speaker 3: That's your challenge and that's a shrewd political point you're
27:29
Speaker 3: making there. I think they have checked down on Labor.
27:33
Speaker 3: A good portion of them are checking into you, but
27:36
Speaker 3: there is still a segment of the community that want
27:38
Speaker 3: to know that you're fed income if you get there.
27:41
Speaker 2: And that's exactly right.
27:42
Speaker 11: And that's why I'm really focusing on how important it
27:45
Speaker 11: is for us to get to work straight away. I
27:48
Speaker 11: know that Victorians are angry. I know that they're frustrated.
27:52
Speaker 11: Anger is really good at identifying the problems, the potholes,
27:56
Speaker 11: the debt, the crime. But we need a plan to
27:59
Speaker 11: fix it. And we need a team that has the
28:01
Speaker 11: real world experience, the government experience, to not miss a moment.
28:06
Speaker 11: And that's what my team has. We have a plan
28:08
Speaker 11: for the first 100 days. We will be sitting this
28:11
Speaker 11: side of Christmas, if we're the next government, to legislate
28:15
Speaker 11: our one strike rule for bail so that we end
28:18
Speaker 11: the revolving door of bail, our adult crime, adult time laws.
28:22
Speaker 11: Electing a Wilson government, a Liberal and Nationals government, will
28:26
Speaker 11: guarantee this side of Christmas we get tough on crime.
28:29
Speaker 3: I will make a quick comment on an announcement you
28:31
Speaker 3: made today because you are trying to make good on
28:35
Speaker 3: what the pariah, and that's what he is, Daniel Andrews,
28:37
Speaker 3: absolute pariah, can't show his face anywhere in Victoria. A
28:41
Speaker 3: promise that Daniel Andrews made, in the whole scheme of things,
28:45
Speaker 3: it's $ 10 million, is not a lot of money, but
28:48
Speaker 3: it relates to children's cancer. And without this treatment in Australia,
28:52
Speaker 3: and it's nowhere else in any other state, Australian kids,
28:56
Speaker 3: Melbourne kids have to go overseas.
28:59
Speaker 2: If it's $ 10 million... He used.
29:01
Speaker 3: To spend that basically running his office. Why couldn't he
29:04
Speaker 3: have kept this promise?
29:05
Speaker 11: Well, this was a big promise made by Daniel Andrews
29:08
Speaker 11: years ago and failure to deliver. But we see that
29:12
Speaker 11: time and time again. Big promises before an election by Labor,
29:15
Speaker 11: failure to deliver afterwards. But where I was today at
29:18
Speaker 11: the Peter Max Centre, I was with a little girl, Polly,
29:22
Speaker 11: who is in remission from brain cancer. With her dad, Michael,
29:27
Speaker 11: they had to travel over to Florida, the whole family,
29:30
Speaker 11: to receive something called proton beam therapy, which is a
29:33
Speaker 11: specialised way of treating cancers with radiotherapy that is very,
29:37
Speaker 11: very precise in how it does its treatment. That means
29:41
Speaker 11: it reduces the impact on little girls like Polly who
29:44
Speaker 11: have their whole life ahead of them. But they had
29:47
Speaker 11: to go overseas to get that treatment when we can
29:49
Speaker 11: put it here in Victoria.
29:51
Speaker 2: For $ 10 million, Jess. $ 10 million.
29:54
Speaker 3: And so presumably if it comes into Melbourne, to the
29:57
Speaker 3: Peter Mac or the Children's Hospital, wherever it goes.
30:00
Speaker 2: Abba.
30:01
Speaker 3: People in other states, other children presumably will benefit from
30:05
Speaker 3: it as well.
30:05
Speaker 14: Absolutely.
30:05
Speaker 11: We can see children, we can see adults right around
30:07
Speaker 11: Australia come to Victoria to receive this really important life-saving treatment.
30:12
Speaker 11: I'm calling on Anthony Albanese and the Commonwealth Government to
30:16
Speaker 11: match our contribution, $ 10.
30:17
Speaker 2: 4 million.
30:18
Speaker 11: The hospital, the Royal Children's, the foundations there have done
30:22
Speaker 11: the work to contribute $ 10 million. This is the type
30:25
Speaker 11: of thing that leaders should get done. This is about
30:28
Speaker 11: saving kids' lives and this is why I get up
30:31
Speaker 11: every day.
30:32
Speaker 2: Well, as I said, business end of the season, keep
30:34
Speaker 2: kicking goals. Jess Wilson, thank you. Thanks, Peter. There you go,
30:37
Speaker 2: $ 20 million in Fiji, Prime Minister.
30:39
Speaker 3: Half of that could have been helping Australian kids rather
30:42
Speaker 3: than the funny shirts you were wearing.
30:43
Speaker 2: All right, quick break.
30:45
Speaker 3: After the break, we'll get into the Scope 3 emissions
30:47
Speaker 3: decision and the hypocrisy of the Albanese government and that
30:52
Speaker 3: vote they took at the United Nations that they kept
30:54
Speaker 3: from you back in May.
31:01
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Angus Taylor coming up.
31:03
Speaker 3: First, we got to that High Court decision yesterday overturning
31:07
Speaker 3: approvals for a New South Wales.
31:09
Speaker 2: Coal mine expansion.
31:11
Speaker 3: Green groups, well, they're crowing about a major victory, claiming
31:15
Speaker 3: it sets a precedent on emissions in Australia from coal
31:18
Speaker 3: here shipped offshore and then burnt overseas.
31:23
Speaker 2: Not so fast, says others. It was a decision, they.
31:26
Speaker 3: Say, not on the merits of so-called Scope 3 emissions
31:29
Speaker 3: but But the process to make the decision and other
31:33
Speaker 3: things the New South Wales government should have taken into
31:36
Speaker 3: account in improving the extension. Now, that's a subtle but
31:41
Speaker 3: really important legal distinction. Here to explain it all, the
31:44
Speaker 3: Australian's environment editor, Graham Lloyd. Well, Graham, I think I've
31:50
Speaker 3: reminded people that scope three emissions is a pretty early thing,
31:55
Speaker 3: but they are alcohol shipped offshore, burnt by our customers,
32:01
Speaker 3: the people who have bought it in their country, but
32:04
Speaker 3: we wear the environmental opprobrium for it. Have I got
32:09
Speaker 3: it right in terms of the judgment yesterday in the
32:12
Speaker 3: High Court? Is that how you see it? And how
32:15
Speaker 3: significant then is the ruling? Does it have the precedent
32:19
Speaker 3: that all the green activists say it has?
32:22
Speaker 15: Good evening, Peter. Well, it's an interesting judgment. And you're
32:26
Speaker 15: right about the Scope 3 emissions. They're basically the emissions
32:29
Speaker 15: from the stuff that's burnt overseas that we've sold them.
32:32
Speaker 6: Arguments in the past have always been, well, look, the.
32:35
Speaker 15: Paris Agreement is supposed to deal with that, and it
32:38
Speaker 15: deals with it in the country where the coal is burnt.
32:42
Speaker 15: This decision by the High Court yesterday, I mean, there's
32:46
Speaker 15: a big difference if you read the press releases and
32:48
Speaker 15: if you read the judgment. If you read the judgment,
32:51
Speaker 15: what it clearly says is this is very tightly confined
32:56
Speaker 15: to the issue of did the authorities in New South
32:59
Speaker 15: Wales follow their legal requirements when making their decision? One
33:04
Speaker 15: of those requirements is to consider scope three emissions and
33:08
Speaker 15: they're quite free to reject it and say yes we've
33:12
Speaker 15: considered it they didn't do that and that's what the
33:15
Speaker 15: court says has to be done the court was very
33:18
Speaker 15: specific in saying that it was not looking at the
33:21
Speaker 15: merits of the case it wasn't looking at whether it
33:24
Speaker 15: should make any conditions on scope three emissions or whether
33:27
Speaker 15: it should just give it a cursory look rubber stamp
33:31
Speaker 15: it and pass it through It says that is not
33:33
Speaker 15: the court's business in this case. But you wouldn't know
33:36
Speaker 15: that from the way environment groups have embraced it. For them,
33:39
Speaker 15: it's a win anyway. It's gummed up the works in
33:42
Speaker 15: terms of approvals. It's put Scope 3 on the map
33:46
Speaker 15: and it's allowed them to go out and cause quite
33:48
Speaker 15: a deal of mischief that they would be very happy about.
33:53
Speaker 3: And, of course, I made the point at the top
33:54
Speaker 3: of the show about this vote in the UN in May.
33:58
Speaker 3: You've got all these Labor federal ministers now with crocodile
34:02
Speaker 3: tears in the last 24 hours about how important coal
34:06
Speaker 3: is to our export bottom line, how much we care
34:09
Speaker 3: about coal, and we know that poor old taxpayers are paying...
34:11
Speaker 3: billions of dollars right around the country to keep our
34:14
Speaker 3: ageing coal fleet in operation because otherwise we wouldn't have
34:18
Speaker 3: power for the lights or industry without them, without burning coal.
34:22
Speaker 3: They're all saying the right thing today. But, of course,
34:25
Speaker 3: back in May we voted along the lines of Scope
34:29
Speaker 3: 3 when we supported that ICJ decision and a whole
34:33
Speaker 3: lot of other countries that use fossil fuels, like the US,
34:37
Speaker 3: like Saudi Arabia and many others, and export them said,
34:41
Speaker 3: hang on, we're either voting no here or we're abstaining.
34:45
Speaker 3: So again, why the hypocrisy from Labor?
34:49
Speaker 15: Well, we've hoisted ourselves on our own petard, really. The
34:53
Speaker 15: federal government found itself courting the Pacific. Vanuatu asked for
34:58
Speaker 15: this legal opinion. It's come back and it said, well, look,
35:02
Speaker 15: we have to wind down approvals for coal mines. We
35:06
Speaker 15: have to account for stage three emissions.
35:09
Speaker 6: And all these things. And the federal government's obviously made
35:12
Speaker 6: a calculation.
35:13
Speaker 15: Does it want to stay in good faith with its
35:15
Speaker 15: friends in the Pacific or does it want to make
35:18
Speaker 15: a fuss and follow the US and all the sensible
35:21
Speaker 15: countries in terms of this decision?
35:23
Speaker 6: So we've accepted it.
35:25
Speaker 15: And that has very significant ramifications because it is now.
35:30
Speaker 6: Up to the environment groups to.
35:33
Speaker 15: take Australia, if we approve more coal mines, if we
35:36
Speaker 15: don't account for scope through emissions, to take us to
35:39
Speaker 15: the International Court of Justice. The ICJ can then make
35:43
Speaker 15: a ruling to say that we have to change our
35:45
Speaker 15: behaviour and pay reparations to all the countries we've affected.
35:49
Speaker 15: So anyone that thinks that environment groups aren't lining up,
35:54
Speaker 15: preparing this case.
35:55
Speaker 6: To drag us through the ICJ hasn't been paying attention.
35:59
Speaker 3: And of course, Graeme, a lot of these groups will
36:01
Speaker 3: get funded by Australian taxpayers to take their multi-million dollar
36:07
Speaker 3: legal actions to the ICJ. And as you rightly remind us,
36:12
Speaker 3: the outcome could be, again, taxpayers paying reparations to countries overseas, again,
36:20
Speaker 3: under the guise of climate.
36:22
Speaker 4: That's right.
36:23
Speaker 6: And that's it.
36:24
Speaker 15: Resource companies then would just give up on Australia and say, look,
36:28
Speaker 15: it's too hard.
36:29
Speaker 2: Why would you invest in Australia? Why would you do it?
36:32
Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there. Thank you, Graeme.
36:34
Speaker 3: There's the decision for you and the UN ramifications.
36:37
Speaker 2: It's really, really important. All right, quick break after the break.
36:40
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, I want to get into that immigration announcement.
36:44
Speaker 3: I also want to look at a really worrying warning
36:47
Speaker 3: today from Global Ratings Agency, S & P, that says
36:50
Speaker 3: we are in serious trouble if Jim Chalmers doesn't stop spending.
36:56
Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back.
37:01
Speaker 3: We'll get into the shocking riot out of Paris in
37:03
Speaker 3: a moment with the international panel. But let's bring in
37:06
Speaker 3: the Federal Opposition Leader, Angus Taylor. It's been a huge
37:09
Speaker 3: week for the Liberals. I suspect a pretty favourable one
37:12
Speaker 3: now that that immigration policy has finally landed. And he
37:16
Speaker 3: joins me now from Brisbane. Angus, welcome to the program.
37:19
Speaker 3: I'll get to immigration in a moment. But I've been
37:22
Speaker 3: speaking tonight about this High Court decision yesterday in relation
37:25
Speaker 3: to Scope 3 emissions. sorry, in relation to the planning
37:30
Speaker 3: of scope three emissions for a coal mine.
37:31
Speaker 2: In New South Wales.
37:33
Speaker 3: But I've also highlighted a decision back in April, back
37:36
Speaker 3: in May, beg your pardon, where the federal government via
37:40
Speaker 3: the UN ambassador voted pretty much to support this very
37:44
Speaker 3: thing in relation to an ICJ decision. Now, today they're
37:49
Speaker 3: saying they're worried about what the decision out of the
37:51
Speaker 3: High Court in Australia will have in terms of its
37:53
Speaker 3: impact on our coal mining sector. But they were backing
37:57
Speaker 3: this in a few months ago but weren't telling Australians
38:00
Speaker 3: the truth.
38:03
Speaker 4: Well, of course they're backing it in, Peter, and thank
38:05
Speaker 4: you for having me, because this is what they think
38:09
Speaker 4: should happen. But we'll scrap net zero and all of
38:12
Speaker 4: this nonsense will go with it. Now, in terms of
38:15
Speaker 4: this particular decision on Mount Pleasant in the Hunter Valley,
38:19
Speaker 4: Chris Minns should overturn this legislation tomorrow. He should do
38:23
Speaker 4: it straight away. Get on with it. If he doesn't,
38:27
Speaker 4: Anthony Albanese should override it with federal legislation. And that
38:30
Speaker 4: won't just get rid of the New South Wales legislation.
38:34
Speaker 4: But it will also ensure other states can't do the
38:36
Speaker 4: same thing. So they can do this tomorrow. More broadly
38:39
Speaker 4: on scope three emissions, Peter, this is madness. This has
38:43
Speaker 4: actually never been part of the way people have thought
38:46
Speaker 4: about this sort of thing. And you know how far
38:48
Speaker 4: this can go. This won't just destroy our resources industry.
38:52
Speaker 4: It risks destroying agriculture in this country. It'll require the banks.
38:56
Speaker 4: to tell farmers to deal with flatulence because the farmers
39:00
Speaker 4: are the customers of the banks. But it will, of course,
39:04
Speaker 4: destroy our resources industry because it's going to say to
39:07
Speaker 4: iron ore producers, they have to take account of the
39:10
Speaker 4: blast furnace emissions in China from their iron ore. It
39:14
Speaker 4: will say to the coal producers, they've got to take
39:16
Speaker 4: account of if it's met coal. the steel that is
39:20
Speaker 4: made from their coal, or if it's used in electricity generators,
39:23
Speaker 4: the emissions that come from those electricity generators. And of course,
39:27
Speaker 4: this is complete insanity. It will destroy our resources industry.
39:32
Speaker 4: And frankly, it will undermine the global economy and certainly
39:36
Speaker 4: our economy in the coming years. And that's why this
39:39
Speaker 4: nonsense has to go and it will go as we
39:41
Speaker 4: scrap net zero.
39:44
Speaker 2: I was just speaking with Graeme Lloyd.
39:45
Speaker 3: He's the environment editor, of course, of The Australian, and
39:47
Speaker 3: he was saying that off the back of this court
39:50
Speaker 3: decision in Australia, you've got scope now for cases to
39:55
Speaker 3: be brought against Australia at the ICJ and elsewhere. And,
39:59
Speaker 3: of course, they'll be funded by the Australian taxpayer as
40:02
Speaker 3: the real thin edge of the wedge, including, I have
40:06
Speaker 3: to say, reparations funded by the Australian taxpayer.
40:12
Speaker 4: Well, it's complete and utter nonsense. And meanwhile, we have
40:15
Speaker 4: Anthony Albanese and Chris Bowen over in Tuvalu in Fiji
40:19
Speaker 4: at their pre-cop flop, falling asleep because no one turned
40:22
Speaker 4: up and it was so boring. But they're committed to
40:25
Speaker 4: this stuff. They're committed to this ideology, Peter, and it's
40:28
Speaker 4: the ideology we will scrap in scrapping net zero.
40:30
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to your immigration policy. I think
40:34
Speaker 3: it's a cracker, Angus. I've been tough on the coalition
40:37
Speaker 3: for not having a number out there in terms of
40:41
Speaker 3: net overseas migration and a real need for a reset.
40:45
Speaker 3: You've absolutely done that, taking it down to 100,000, I
40:49
Speaker 3: think is very bold.
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Speaker 2: I think it is much negative.
40:52
Speaker 3: I think the focus that you have on foreign criminals,
40:56
Speaker 3: people who deserve no rights to stay in Australia, but
40:59
Speaker 3: also really ripping into the education rorts in this country.
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Speaker 2: You know, I've.
41:05
Speaker 3: Always said Australia hasn't even got a university in the
41:09
Speaker 3: top 50. Why are we then so popular? Well, because
41:13
Speaker 3: we've allowed immigration to be sold as better than the degree.
41:18
Speaker 3: You know, come to Australia, don't worry about what you
41:21
Speaker 3: study here, buy yourself a right for the golden ticket
41:25
Speaker 3: of life in Australia, and that's what you've really, I think,
41:28
Speaker 3: attacked with this policy.
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Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely right, Peter.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 4: This will be the biggest cut to immigration numbers in
41:36
Speaker 4: the history of the country, but that's needed because we've
41:39
Speaker 4: had a record level of immigration over the last four
41:42
Speaker 4: years under Labor, over 1.5 million people, more than the
41:46
Speaker 4: population of Adelaide. But the policy goes far further than that.
41:52
Speaker 4: We cannot afford to build our economy on a guest
41:55
Speaker 4: worker economy, and that's exactly what's happening right now. What
41:59
Speaker 4: we are proposing is a switch from mass migration and
42:02
Speaker 4: a guest worker economy to skilled migration and people who
42:06
Speaker 4: come to this country who are committed to our country. Now,
42:09
Speaker 4: an essential part of this is abolishing temporary graduate visas,
42:13
Speaker 4: which comes to the education point. Sadly, for many years,
42:16
Speaker 4: we've had universities not selling educational excellence, but selling visas,
42:21
Speaker 4: selling pathways to citizenship, selling migration. That is the job
42:27
Speaker 4: of the government, not universities. But in fact, what we
42:30
Speaker 4: are seeing right now through temporary graduate visas is is
42:33
Speaker 4: universities selling that. And what that means is they're not
42:36
Speaker 4: focusing on educational excellence, particularly for Australian students. And we
42:42
Speaker 4: have seen a deterioration in the quality of teaching in
42:46
Speaker 4: our universities for all students, indeed. It's showing up in
42:50
Speaker 4: the ratings and it needs to be fixed. So to
42:53
Speaker 4: move from our universities providing migration pathways and visas to
42:59
Speaker 4: to focusing back on educational excellence is an essential part
43:02
Speaker 4: of this policy. But alongside that, we need an economy
43:05
Speaker 4: that grows because it's becoming more productive and more competitive
43:08
Speaker 4: and enterprises investing and taking risks, not because we're just
43:12
Speaker 4: growing population. And sadly, that's what's been happening under Labor.
43:17
Speaker 3: How do we do that, though, and I agree with
43:19
Speaker 3: all of that, and rightly protect, I guess, regional communities
43:24
Speaker 3: who struggle to get Australians to do the jobs that
43:27
Speaker 3: they should be willing to do, given we've got about
43:29
Speaker 3: a million people on the dole? That's also an area
43:32
Speaker 3: you've got to tackle to provide the incentive.
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Speaker 10: Yep.
43:35
Speaker 3: You know, get off your backside and get a job incentive.
43:38
Speaker 3: I was just up at Port Douglas and I don't
43:40
Speaker 3: think there was one person who served me a drink
43:42
Speaker 3: or gave me a plate of food who wasn't on
43:44
Speaker 3: a working holiday maker visa. I basically interviewed them all
43:48
Speaker 3: and they were going to these regional communities to get
43:50
Speaker 3: that extended stay. They all spend their money here. They
43:53
Speaker 3: all were planning to travel around Australia. So what they
43:56
Speaker 3: earn gets spent here and then all of them want
43:59
Speaker 3: to go home. They've got good degrees here. They've got
44:01
Speaker 3: families they love back in their countries. They're not trying
44:04
Speaker 3: to rip off the system. So how do we get
44:06
Speaker 3: the balance right?
44:10
Speaker 4: Well, we can get the balance right. And that's exactly
44:12
Speaker 4: what this proposal, this is. And it's what we will
44:16
Speaker 4: do on getting into government, a Taylor Canavan government, Peter.
44:21
Speaker 4: But you're right, the regional areas need need the people,
44:24
Speaker 4: whether it's in agriculture or in tourism, hospitality. But there's
44:29
Speaker 4: two parts to this policy. One is cutting the numbers.
44:32
Speaker 4: The other is raising the standards. And raising the standards
44:35
Speaker 4: doesn't just mean bringing the right people with the right
44:38
Speaker 4: values to our country, but it also means having people
44:41
Speaker 4: with the skills we need going to the places where
44:44
Speaker 4: we need them. So an essential part of this is
44:47
Speaker 4: working holidaymakers. We're not abolishing working holidaymakers. What we do
44:51
Speaker 4: want to do is provide incentives for them to go
44:54
Speaker 4: to the regions where they are most needed. And that
44:56
Speaker 4: is exactly what we will do. We'll differentiate visa charges
45:01
Speaker 4: based on whether or not these working holidaymakers go to
45:03
Speaker 4: the regions where they're needed. And if they do, they
45:06
Speaker 4: will get a discount on the visa charges as a result.
45:10
Speaker 4: So this is about not just cutting the numbers, but
45:14
Speaker 4: getting the people we need with the skills we need
45:17
Speaker 4: in the place where we need them.
45:19
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor, as I said, it's a terrific policy. Get
45:23
Speaker 2: out and sell it. Keep selling it.
45:24
Speaker 3: I know you're out there, but keep selling it, selling
45:26
Speaker 3: it hard, because I think it's just exactly the change
45:29
Speaker 3: that Australians have been crying out for.
45:31
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.
45:33
Speaker 3: I might add too, you know, when you assess someone
45:35
Speaker 3: to come here on a student visa, make them go home,
45:37
Speaker 3: reassess them again as the Libs are planning to do,
45:40
Speaker 3: because to assess them to come here forever is very
45:43
Speaker 3: different than a two or three year course.
45:45
Speaker 2: Quick break. After the break, we'll look at the riots
45:46
Speaker 2: in Paris.
45:47
Speaker 3: We'll look at the warning to Australia not to follow
45:50
Speaker 3: Europe's lead.
45:51
Speaker 2: On Israel and more. All right, brevity, Peter, brevity.
45:59
Speaker 3: Let's bring in my panel, News 24 contributor Koshia Garda
46:02
Speaker 3: and former Labor MP Michael Damby. Paris riots, I tell
46:06
Speaker 3: you what, I'm watching them in horror, hoping this never
46:09
Speaker 3: comes to Australia.
46:10
Speaker 2: It is horrifying.
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Speaker 14: On the surface, the cause that they're fighting for makes
46:14
Speaker 14: sense because the economy is anemic, schools are underperforming, all
46:18
Speaker 14: of that. But it's not lost on anybody, the demographics
46:21
Speaker 14: of where this is happening in those suburbs that are
46:22
Speaker 14: heavily African descent. political opportunism with the election seven months out.
46:27
Speaker 14: And if you just have a society that's not homogenous,
46:30
Speaker 14: you're going to see these kinds of powder kegs ignite
46:33
Speaker 14: all the time.
46:34
Speaker 3: Well, as we're seeing on the streets of Sydney, I
46:35
Speaker 3: hope there's not a riot on Sunday. But we've got
46:38
Speaker 3: pro-Palestinian groups calling for the delisting, so no longer make
46:42
Speaker 3: them a terror group, of Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRGC.
46:46
Speaker 16: So it was never about Israel's behaviour in Gaza.
46:49
Speaker 11: No.
46:49
Speaker 16: It was about these people supporting these... radical terrorist groups
46:53
Speaker 16: funded by Iran, and the Australian people and the Australian
46:56
Speaker 16: parliament won't put up with it. That's why there's been
46:58
Speaker 16: a tremendous surge against the government who hasn't taken these
47:02
Speaker 16: issues seriously since Bondi.
47:07
Speaker 3: Anne Whittakin, the former British MP, murdered. allegedly the man
47:13
Speaker 3: who murdered her was also involved in threats against the
47:16
Speaker 3: life of Nigel Farage. And of course, when that news broke,
47:20
Speaker 3: it was don't look at this. It's not a politically
47:22
Speaker 3: motivated attack. And now it looks like the threats to
47:25
Speaker 3: Farage were not taken seriously.
47:27
Speaker 14: I hate to say it, but the cynic in me
47:29
Speaker 14: thinks that that's where we are. It's not about the
47:32
Speaker 14: pursuit of justice or adjudicating crime. It is about when
47:36
Speaker 14: your hand is forced politically. that's when justice is taken.
47:39
Speaker 14: So the heat got too much and they had to show.
47:41
Speaker 16: And the police there and all over the world are
47:43
Speaker 16: the same thing. They've all been infected by political correctness
47:46
Speaker 16: and wokeness.
47:48
Speaker 2: I mean, there are.
47:49
Speaker 16: Good coppers everywhere, but this is just ridiculous. You don't
47:53
Speaker 16: take the murder of someone even you don't like seriously.
47:56
Speaker 16: I mean, and you hammer the people in the streets
47:59
Speaker 16: of Melbourne who are critical of Hamas, but not the
48:02
Speaker 16: Hamas supporters. I mean, what's going on?
48:04
Speaker 2: The world's upside down. Upside down. Thank you to you both.
48:07
Speaker 2: We did three topics. Look at that. You're good. You're good,
48:10
Speaker 2: aren't they?
48:11
Speaker 3: Have a lovely weekend, everyone. I'll see you next week
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Speaker 3: on Monday. Andrew Bolt's next.