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How Apathy in the Church Enables Abortion · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, welcome to another World View Matters show you are in for a treat today.
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  I've got a friend, a powerful and just a bold pro-life speaker and advocate, Seth Gruber.
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  I want to bring him in right away because we just have a short amount of time.
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  Seth Gruber.com white rose resistance, good to see you brother, how you doing?
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  Doing well, David, congrats on your success and continue to speak on apologetically, bro.
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  Well yours too, I've been looking at your website where you're heading, Kansas, Florida,
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  Missouri, Michigan, of course, California.
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  So tell us a little bit about what you've been doing lately.
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  And I don't know how long have you been out there speaking and trying to raise awareness about life in the room?
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  Well, I just turned 32 and I gave my first speech on abortion at 18.
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  And then 19, 20, 21, 22, my four years in college, I started speaking in local youth groups,
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  churches, seminars, training, things, stuff like that.
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  And then went full time in pro-life ministry when I graduated college in 2014.
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  So that was about nine years ago.
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  But yeah, we launched the white rose resistance right after the overturning of Roe versus Wade,
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  so to providentially.
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  And we exist to educate the public, discredit the opposition, sometimes maybe mock the opposition,
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  and inspire a movement within the church, which was always supposed to be the bulwark to life and liberty.
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  Right? And we have forgotten David how to be salty.
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  And this is something that I've been thinking about a lot.
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  We have forgotten how to be salty in the American church.
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  And the scriptures say that such useless salt will be actually thrown underfoot and trampled.
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  We have been fulfilling my pastor Rob McCoy's prophetic wording
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  that the church in America seems to wait downstream to pick up human heartache that we helped create
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  through our political apathy upstream.
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  Right? Because we've been living under the spell of the Johnson Amendment.
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  David, we don't want to be seen as associated with politics.
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  Right? There's a separation of church and state, whatever the hell that means.
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  And which I always say, well, then shouldn't we keep this data of the church?
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  Right? It's just a one way street.
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  The state has no intention of keeping its hands out of the church.
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  But for some reason, what the church should be prevented from seeking to influence secular
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  governments for God's purposes. Like, do we as Christians actually believe that the Bible
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  and our Lord has good ideas on how to govern societies?
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  Or do we think that it's just full of a bunch of wise statements on how to live?
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  Do we think it's merely the salvation of souls?
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  And then that's all the Lord has to say about our lives?
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  Yes, yes, let's keep the gospel centered.
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  But what is the gospel?
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  Is it simply repent and believe?
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  I recall the first words of Jesus' ministry being
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  repent and believe for the kingdom of God is at hand.
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  And the word kingdom outperforms the word love in the New Testament nearly three to one.
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  So God talks about, Jesus talked about his kingdom far more than like love and repenting.
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  There's actually a kingdom mindset you're supposed to have as a believer.
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  So what does that kingdom mindset?
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  I mean, it's to occupy until he comes.
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  It's to defend the cause of the orphan in the widow.
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  Right? Peer and undefiled religion is this.
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  Care for orphans and widows in their distress.
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  God always is, Jesus, God, Old Testament New Testament.
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  Always tell you about justice, right?
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  Because of the orphan, those who can't defend themselves.
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  This is why in Isaiah 1, David, when it says that the people were walking down a half mile
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  from Jerusalem down to the valley of Hinnum, and they were having great worship services on the
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  hill in Jerusalem. David won tiny little problem.
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  They were in the evening, they were, they were cooking their children in the valley of Hinnum.
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  And at the end of Isaiah 1, God says, he says, I'm sick.
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  He says, I'm tired of your worship, your songs.
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  He says, I'm sick of them.
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  He says, then he says, he says, I'm not listening to you anymore, David.
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  He says, I'm not listening to you anymore.
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  Your festivals and your songs, they make me sick.
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  And so he says, I give you over to be ruled by those who hate you.
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  And he says, but then he gives a solution.
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  He says, so stop doing evil and start doing good.
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  Correct oppression, see justice, defend the cause of the orphan and the widow.
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  Why does the orphan come up so much in the scriptures, David?
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  The Jesus loves the orphan because the orphan's life is at danger because their parents are dead.
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  Right? So who's their protector?
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  Who's their defender?
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  Well, how much more should we care about and protect the orphan in the womb?
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  Whose life is endangered?
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  Not because their parents are dead, David, but because their parents want them dead.
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  We cannot bring the orphan's parents back.
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  But we can save the orphan in the womb from the wrath of their parents.
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  And for people who don't like, oh, that's not very winsome.
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  Russell Moore wouldn't approve of that.
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  Yeah, I don't care.
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  You know, you want to find some of God's most colorful language in scripture.
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  It's when he's addressing child sacrifice in the Old Testament.
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  Okay, yes, I understand women may obtain an abortion because they were pressured or they're
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  degenerate father and she's a teenager and he pressure.
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  I understand there's difficult circumstances, but the vast majority of abortions are chosen
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  by the woman. She chose to get the abortion.
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  You may not say I hate my child, but what is more hateful than murdering a little baby?
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  Simply for the crime of being unwanted.
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  I mean, the Bible gives us everything we need to understand this.
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  So what are we doing at the White Rose Resistance, David?
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  We're trying to awaken the bloodbath bride of Christ to be salty again,
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  to be like Gideon in judges six and walk out of the little caves that we've been hiding in
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  and start actively tearing down the high places of child sacrifice in America.
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  I'm convinced that much of the cultural rot that we're living through politically as well,
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  David, over the last few decades, and certainly the last three or four years,
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  can actually be traced back to our tolerance of child sacrifice in America.
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  We no longer have the father's heart.
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  We are no longer David angered or saddened by what inflames our father to anger and drives
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  him to tears. We do not have a kingdom mindset by and large in the American church,
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  right? Because we have been preaching orthodoxy with no orthopraxy.
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  We condemn the culture of death to a certain extent in our churches, in our small groups,
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  and with our Christian communities, right, David?
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  We say, oh, well, I don't really like chopping the genitals off of a 14-year-old
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  because they say, you know, they're the other gender.
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  You know, I don't really agree with gay porn being taught through cartoons and sex ed in the
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  public school. I'm not really for that, David, but we never do anything, largely, as Christians,
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  to stand against the culture of death that we say we don't like, that we say we're opposed to,
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  where are saltiness? We're like lot in Genesis, who's the Christian influencer of his day, David,
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  right? He was at the city gates when the angels came to San Francisco. Excuse me,
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  Sodom, dang it, Sodom and Gomorrah. And he takes the angels to his house, remember?
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  And then it says men from all parts of the city came to a lot's house. That's what it says,
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  David, men from all parts of the city came to a lot's house. So every part of culture,
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  descending down, coming towards that one man who's described as a righteous man,
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  right? And then it says, hey, he says, hey, they say, hey, lie, bring those men out that we might
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  have sex with them. Well, they weren't, and then they were angels, David. So do you understand
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  why God wanted to Sodom now? These people want angels sex, my goodness, right? And a lot walks
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  out onto his front porch. Now, lots of righteous man, the Bible tells us, right? Apparently,
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  like he's in the kingdom, apparently, like he was a righteous man. And he walks out and he says,
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  he says, brothers and sisters, go read it, guys, if you're listening to this, he calls them brothers
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  or sisters. The first thing I want to say is like, lot's not trying to get crumbs from the table
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  of secular progressivism so you can keep your 501c3 status. They're not your brothers and sisters.
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  They want to sleep with angels. They want angel sex. Stop calling them your brothers and sisters.
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  Stop trying to make Christianity culturally respectable. So you can be invited to write articles
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  in the New York Times, Tim Keller, Ed Stetzer. Yes, I just said that. Yes. So he says,
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  he says, brothers and sisters, and then he says, do not do this wicked or abominable thing.
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  So David, he calls their actions wicked and abominable. So a lot was willing to speak just as much
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  truth as the spirit of the age allowed him to. He was willing to condemn the evil of the culture
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  in which he found himself. Lot face his own culture war, just like we have our own culture
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  today, David. And a lot would only speak as much truth as he could get away with,
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  less he lose his idol of cultural respectability, less the sex with angel sexual revolutionaries
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  would cast him out into utter darkness where there's weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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  He had made an idol, not out of being political, which is what the left wing sort of
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  evangelicals critique conservatives of doing. He had made an idol out of being
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  apolitical out of being perceived as neutral so that he could get the out of boys and claps
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  and fundings of the George Soros and the high priest of humanism with whom he had to live in
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  community and in the city. And so what happens to lot? Okay, let's see David. His wife becomes in
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  death what he should have been in life. A pillar of salt. Lot was saved, but he wasn't salty.
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  He wasn't preserving anything that mattered to his king. I mean, you talk about
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  gauging the masculinity and strength of the man, David. It starts with, can you protect,
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  provide and love for your own? Right? Like there are actually qualifications in the scriptures,
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  aren't there, David, about like you can't be a pastor and elder if like you're not managing your
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  household and your family first. Like talk about the first line of defense that we would judge
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  any man by. And what does lot do then? After he critiques the culture of death to a certain extent,
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  he says, here are my daughters have sex with them instead. Brothers and sisters, if you're listening
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  to this, you can be saved, but not salty. You can make it into the kingdom by the hair on your bum.
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  In fact, the scriptures say that, David, it says some will be saved as if by fire. Like meeting like
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  some of us, some of us, David, are getting synched on the way in. You know, like, whoa,
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  I, all right, Lauren, you know, thank you. I guess by grace and grace alone. But, but rather and
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  sister, what's going to be your story at the marriage supper of the lamb? Yeah, let me tell you
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  what lots story is at the marriage supper of the lamb. I gave my daughters to be raped by a mob
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  and God forgave me by grace and grace alone. But what's going to be your story at the marriage
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  supper of the lamb? And so, you know, we, we in America are making the Sodomites and Gomorrah's
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  blush with what we're doing. You know, I think that most members of the Democrat Party today would
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  turn most of the Sodom and Gomorrah mites into conservatives. Like, we are so far gone past the
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  evil activities of Sodom and Gomorrah. And yet that was how much is to deal with his culture war
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  was to offer up the posterity to the sexualized mob in order to remain relevant so that you can
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  not create a roadblock to people hearing the gospel from your church. And it's the idol of cultural
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  respectability is what it is. Much of the pastors in America and our Christian institutions and
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  colleges are not Christian leaders, they're institutional managers. And they will only speak as
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  much truth as a spirit of the age allows them like lot. So we're trying to create the next generation
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  of Gideon's David and the White Rose resistance and not lots because Gideon dealt with his culture
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  war very differently than Lot did. And we can talk about that if you'd like. But the we and you and
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  I believe that unless the church wakes up in America in the next month or year or two,
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  we win at the end. We've read the end of the book. But like that's not the point. The point is
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  how are we going to steward what we've been given in the Constitution or public where we the people
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  are the sovereign to give God a reason to show America mercy? Yes, brother. Thank you. I mean,
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  you said so much and I could come up with a half a dozen follow up questions. But we've got to
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  take a very quick break. I first of all, I thought of Isaiah saying you people honor me with your
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  lips, put your hearts are far from me. And just so many other things I wrote a chapter in my
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  previous book called the second biggest lie in America, the separation of church and state. And
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  I'm glad you brought that up. I'm also frustrated as you have been about the political ping-pong when
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  it comes to pro-life legislation, give a little, take a little, give a little. And this has been
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  going on since 1973. Well, we've got to start setting incrementalism aside and saying we need to
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  abolish the murder of the unborn. We've got to take a break. We'll be right back with Seth
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  Whiteroseresistance.com, Seth Gruber.com. I want to read a quick quote from Pastor Jack Hibbs,
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  who said God is using Seth to literally shake the demonic strongholds and the world view mindset
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  of people who have a complete opposite view from what God has regarding life. And Seth, he calls
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  you a warrior brother. And I agree with him. And I really appreciate your voice. To some who are
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  viewing this program, you might think, boy, he comes on strong. I think we need to drop all the,
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  let's just kind of be nice and be courteous and be kind. We need to just be straight shooters.
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  They were running out of time friends. We need to redeem the time. And we are getting so close
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  to the end. And we've lost a lot of ground culturally in America. Seth, tell me I read something
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  about hands and sofa shoulders at Hans. Whiteroseresistance. Tell us a little bit more about them.
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  Yeah, well, I'm glad you shared that Pastor Jack. Pastor Jack is my earthly hero.
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  And that's had a greater impact and fuel on my ministry and calling than probably any other
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  human being in America. And he's a dear brother and mentor. And if I could, if I could bottle
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  the spiritual moral intellectual political clarity of Jack Hibbs and just eject it like a booster shot
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  into the arms of American pastors, I could end abortion in this country in one year.
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  Well, if it's a booster shot, it probably wouldn't work. So that's a conversation for another time.
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  So the Whiteroseresistance, David, which I am the CEO and founder of, which we launched
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  publicly right after the overturning of row, is actually based on the original Whiteroseresistance
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  in Nazi Germany in 1942, 1943 timeframe. And the parallels between the evils right in the
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  Third Reich, David and the evils today are so stark, they're so heartbreaking. And of course,
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  it's like, every time you bring up the Nazis, people say, you can't bring that up, it's like
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  and it's like the only historical analogy that liberals know, like any leftist, it's like the
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  only historical analogy they know. It's like, were you aware of any other tyrannical regimes or
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  like evil societies or cultures like over the last 300 years? It's like, no, this is like Hitler,
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  right? It's like what they say about like any conservative that poses any political threat to
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  their entrenched regime. Anyways, I'm getting out of tangent, but the parallels are necessary
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  because they're real, right? And here we are, you know, I mean 80 years later and we're facing
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  the same struggle, we're facing the same threats. We're actually facing the same worldview, David,
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  actually speaking of the name of your program, you know, worldview matters. We're facing the same
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  spirit of eugenics. Eugenics properly defined, by the way, means the root word means good in birth,
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  good in birth, which means what, guys, that some people are not good in birth. So eugenics is
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  concerned with certain like genes or like, you know, qualities or like generational characteristics,
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  right? So if you're a Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, right? The little piece of
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  piece of human excrement she was, you know, you're not necessarily out for black people in general,
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  like Sanger was fine with black people who were like not alcoholics, didn't have epilepsy,
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  didn't have any intellectual or physical disabilities, and Planned Parenthood has deflected
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  criticism from their eugenics history and present by saying, well, look at all the black people
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  we have on our board of directors. You have to understand, like like Sanger Planned Parenthood abortion,
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  like it's not racism in the way that we think of racism today. It's not like, oh, like melanin.
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  No, eugenics is actually more sinister and evil than racism because racism will just be
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  concerned with ethnicity or a skin color, right? Eugenics is actually far larger than that. So for
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  example, there were plenty of white people saying or hated and the eugenics is an American
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  the early 19th century hated because they were like they had a history of alcoholism in their family,
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  right? Our history of crime, right? Like family members in and out of jail, so not like well performing
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  productive citizens, right? It could be physical or mental disabilities, right? Down syndrome
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  or maybe you had a physical disability, maybe we were missing a limb, like these were like
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  like anyone could be opened up to have their the target of the eugenics is placed on them,
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  not merely like black people alone, if I'm speaking clearly, if that makes sense. And so like
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  Chesterton said that if Darwinism was the doctrine of the survival of the fittest,
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  then eugenics was the doctrine of the survival of the nastiest. I mean, can you think of a
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  nastier human being than someone who looks at our brother Nick Boyachich and goes, oh gosh,
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  he shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, right? Who looks at a baby diagnosed with Down syndrome
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  in the womb and says, you know, kill him, kill him, kill him. And so that's what we're dealing
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  with. Eugenics was in the Third Reich. We have eugenics here today. I mean eugenics is labels
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  people as unfit. If you want to know the most used phrase that the eugenicists in the early,
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  between like the early 1900s and like 1930 in America used, it was the term unfit and fit, fit
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  and unfit. In fact, Singer once said that birth control is not contraception, thoughtlessly
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  and indiscriminately practiced. It means the cultivation and release of the better racial
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  elements in our society and a gradual suppression and elimination of defective stocks,
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  those human weeds which threaten the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization.
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  Right. So there are certain genes and qualities that make you a fine blossoming flower.
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  But if you're a defective stock or human weed, then you need to be weeded out and you
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  shouldn't be allowed to have kids and we should forcibly sterilize you. I mean, this is a history
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  of eugenics. So when they call an unborn baby like unwanted, you know, like the Nazis had a
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  term for that. It was undesirables, right? Or Leibnizunbedifins Leibn which means life unworthy of
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  life. So every baby killed through abortion is actually a eugenics injustice because the human
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  being is described as unfit to live as unwanted because society has deemed them as such.
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  Obviously, Down syndrome, you know, you got all this killing of people that don't meet the
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  intellectual capacity but the liberal establishment establishes. Like all of this is eugenics,
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  okay? Like here's another example. The abortion pill, are you 486? It's called okay, David.
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  It stands for Roussel Ucloth. Are you Roussel Ucloth 486? Roussel Ucloth is the manufacturer who
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  invented the abortion pill. It's a French manufacturer, okay? And Bill Clinton brought the abortion
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  pill to America in the year 2000. Shocker. Well, Roussel Ucloth has a majority shareholder named
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  Hookst A.G. Hookst A.G. Now, Hookst A.G emerged from the breakup of a German chemical company
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  known as IG Farben. IG Farben, David, was infamous for creating a cyanide gas known as Zyclon B.
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  Zyclon B was the gas used in Nazi death camps to murder Jews. So Hookst A.G simply shifted from
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  creating poison to murder Jews to creating poison to murder babies. It's the same company, David.
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  So when I say that we're facing the same battle, like I'm actually giving you like a literal
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  example of how it's like some of the same companies and individuals behind both of these various
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  eugenics revolutions, okay? So what were who were Hans and Sophie Scholl as we wind down here?
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  They were 20-something standing up against the eugenics and Holocaust in Germany. And a young
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  woman named Sophie Scholl and the namesake of my third child and my newest daughter was walking
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  the sidewalks in Munich, Germany in 1942, David. And she found a paper on the ground,
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  just a little leaflet on the ground. And she opened it up and it was explicitly condemning the
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  crimes of the Nazis and asking the good people to wake up, asking Christians to wake up.
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  Sophie's reading this leaflet, David. And you know what she's thinking? Because I've studied this a
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  lot, okay? She's thinking, this sounds like a lot like my brother Hans. He talks like this at dinner
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  all the time. This sounds like something that could have been written by him. We'll come to find out,
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  David. But White Rose resistance had not only been co-founded. It was being run by not other than
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  her older brother Hans, who at 24 years old was just trying to protect his little sister, David.
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  He knew how dangerous political resistance was to the third Reich in 1942. He didn't want his
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  sister involved. But Sophie at 21, 21 years old had loved the Lord. She had the deep and abiding faith.
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  Her father had spent some time in prison for publicly criticizing Hitler. So she came from good stock.
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  And she becomes the youngest member and the only female of the White Rose resistance in
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  Munich, Germany. And they would say a plate writing and printing and distributing anti-Nazi leaflets
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  all around Germany. And they take trains in the middle of the night and drop off these leaflets,
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  David. And so in 1943, they took things to the next level. And on February 18, 1943,
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  80 years ago, and some change. Hans and Sophie, brother and sister, walked onto the campus at the
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  University of Munich. Now, you have to remember, your listeners have to remember that the
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  academies like the clergy had largely been co-opted into silence and obedience by the Nazi state,
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  right? This was very dangerous. This is my point. During class time when the halls were quiet,
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  Hans and Sophie walked the University of Munich dropping off piles of their leaflets all
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  around the University, David. And then in this iconic scene, Sophie walked to the third floor
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  balcony of the University of Munich. And she threw hundreds of leaflets down to the atrium below.
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  What happens when you throw paper? It goes everywhere. That was the point. The janitor, a committed
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  Nazi, caught Hans in between the act, called the Gestapo on the spot. And Hans and Sophie were arrested
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  that afternoon on February 18, 1943. They spent the next four days in prison being brutally
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  interrogated and physically abused. And they refused to implicate or rat out any of their other
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  friends or members of the White Rose Resistance to make a long story short. They had their heads
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  chopped off on February 22, 1943, four days later. And Sophie spoke with some of the most
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  prophetic language in spiritual and moral clarity that seemed to transcend most of the pulpits in
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  Germany at the time. And I think David, she was asking the same question we're asking today,
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  which is what is going on? And how did we get here? And you guys can check out my sermon
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  from Pastor Jack Hibb's Church on his YouTube channel or my YouTube channel. But we tell that
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  whole story. But the point is this, after they had their heads chopped off, they missed a meeting,
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  they had that next week. A meeting that they never made because they were killed. And that meeting
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  was with Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the founder of the Confessing Church in Germany. And one of the most
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  prophetic voices of that century, who was hung naked at Flossenberg Prison on April 15, 1945,
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  whose final words were, this is the end for me, the beginning of life. So we're rebuilding the White
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  Rose Resistance for this generation against our silent, but far more deadly Holocaust of abortion
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  before it's too late. Brother, that story needs to be told. I'm glad you're out there telling
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  it. I'm thankful that you started the White Rose Resistance. And I love silence in the face
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  of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us, guiltless, not to speak is to speak, not to act is
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  to act. We have been duped, deceived in the church to be silent to keep our faith behind church
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  walls. And that's what you were talking about as we come for full circle of this program when
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  you talked about what happened to the salt. I mean, what happened to the salt and light? I mean,
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  we know what's going on with this world. I mean, our W start John R W start said, we should not
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  ask what's wrong with this world. That diagnosis has already been given. We should be asking what has
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  happened to the salt and light, meaning the Christians, the influence in our culture and the church.
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  And it starts with giving these young babies human beings. Well, they're not potential human
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  beings. They're human beings with potential, right? Giving them the right to be born. Seth,
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  we have to do this again. Do you promise? Can I put you on the spot here? Of course, for you, David,
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  yep. He will be back. Seth Gruber.com. God bless you, brother. And I thank you for the work
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  that you do. Thanks for coming on World View Matters. Thank you. All right. Take it easy.
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  Man, I just, I could listen to that guy all day. And I will look up that sermon. He was out at
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  Jack Rose, Jack Hibbs Church, Southern California out there in Calvary Chapel, Chino Valley, and
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  Rob McCoy to his pastor, man, another troublemaker who I think he had the audacity to keep his church
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  open during COVID and got sued by the tyrannical government there. But anyway, we've got to move on
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  tomorrow. Jay Seigert of the startingpointproject.com. Guys, thank you so much for supporting the show. Your
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  let me just get this out there because it is a new show. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking
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  the truth about things that matter.