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Best of Chuck & Buck 12-1 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Good morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time. Good morning us.
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  Speaker 2: Lazies, gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: Inducing US sixty one guard from Brighton, Illanois and former
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  Speaker 3: high school basketball stand What in the hell does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: Don't jumped any conclusions.
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  Speaker 5: Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
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  Speaker 6: I'm getting some bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
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  Speaker 6: just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champion.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of useless crap up here.
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  Speaker 3: This is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with Ashley Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: But to you buy to lay Look Casino Resort and
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  Speaker 3: quill see the Greek Draft Kings sports book where the
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  Speaker 3: action never stopped.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. Well, Hello, good Monday morning to you all.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome into the radio program.
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  Speaker 5: It is Chucking Buck in the Morning, Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 5: three point three KJRFM. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 5: extended weekend and are ready for a brand new week
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  Speaker 5: of the sports world. Because it's hitting us right between
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  Speaker 5: both eyes right now. My name is Chuck Powell. Good
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  Speaker 5: to be back. Ashley Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson is
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  Speaker 5: here as well as we start here on a Monday,
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  Speaker 5: and plenty to discuss here in our four hours together.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky, I was Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 6: It was wonderful. Lots and lots of food I had.
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  Speaker 6: I would say five Thanksgivings. And that doesn't mean I
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  Speaker 6: went to in laws. It means I had a gigantic
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  Speaker 6: helping of turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing anburry's, the entire rolls.
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  Speaker 6: I had it five different times. I made a huge plate. Good,
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  Speaker 6: it was a lot good. It was good. Yeah about you?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just liked the idea that Bucky was just
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  Speaker 5: like potentially like yeah, I mean, we've eaten all of
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  Speaker 5: our food here. I'm now going to go to the
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  Speaker 5: soup kitchen just standing on it. I haven't had enough. Now,
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  Speaker 5: you really let me down.
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  Speaker 4: Four plates wasn't enough, you know, Yeah, Mam would have
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  Speaker 4: made more.
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  Speaker 5: So now I'm just gonna go down the street just
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  Speaker 5: knock on doors.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't had enough and I don't want to wait
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  Speaker 4: another year.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I thought about it when we ran out of pie.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know how I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: do my fourth and fifth Thanksgiving meals without pie at
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  Speaker 6: the end. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. Wait to stop short,
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  Speaker 6: lady Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: I Thanksgiving it was good.
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  Speaker 7: Its good, had the family over me. Only took about
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  Speaker 7: forty five minutes longer than I expected it too, so
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  Speaker 7: that was an improvement.
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  Speaker 8: I suppose did you make like bull obays again or
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  Speaker 8: beef tenderloin?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but we still do it with stuffing mashed potatoes.
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  Speaker 7: We also had roasted potatoes, because you should have two
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  Speaker 7: kinds of potatoes at Thanksgiving. Yeah, and uh, green bean casserole,
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  Speaker 7: Brussels sprouts five iron.
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  Speaker 4: Will you do me the kindness of please stuffing the tenderloin?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, except we don't stuff it. Don stuff just roast.
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  Speaker 9: You just don't out your own rear end.
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  Speaker 2: Next year.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it gives me something to strive for it
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  Speaker 7: every year, try to be I did used to do
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  Speaker 7: like a.
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  Speaker 2: Rolled flank steak, so it had it was stuffed. It
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  Speaker 2: was delicious.
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  Speaker 5: Like the tofu people, Yeah, they they I think I've
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  Speaker 5: never had one of these, but I think that they
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  Speaker 5: shape their turkey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe we could do that with red meat.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why not? The worlds are oyster?
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  Speaker 6: It is shot.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they're doing that tur ducan thing. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 5: sure there's not a bee stout there that is a
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  Speaker 5: third turkey, a third chicken, and a third ducks. Pretty
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  Speaker 5: sure if there is, like man bear pig. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 5: pretty sure that there's not a man bear pig version
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  Speaker 5: of turkey dinner out there.
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  Speaker 9: But they still find a way to pull it off. Well.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. We certainly
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  Speaker 5: have a lot to discuss as we reassemble here on
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  Speaker 5: this Monday morning, and we will have our experts showing
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  Speaker 5: up a little bit later on in the program. But
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  Speaker 5: the experts right now nationally seem to be of a
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  Speaker 5: mind of man, are we watching something special happening out
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  Speaker 5: there in Seattle, Washington with their professional football team yesterday
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  Speaker 5: against the Minnesota Vikings, a twenty six nothing shutout. Now, granted,
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  Speaker 5: Minnesota is going with a backup quarterback never played, never
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  Speaker 5: started an NFL game going into that contest, and so
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  Speaker 5: that certainly had Mike McDonald and the defense licking their
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  Speaker 5: chops yesterday certainly didn't stop the broadcast team from telling
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  Speaker 5: us how awesome that guy was. Though I felt almost
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  Speaker 5: bad for Max Brosmer making his debut.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was undrafted.
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  Speaker 5: I probably should have looked that up before we came
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  Speaker 5: on the airwaves, but making his NFL debut, and man,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if Kevin O'Connell misled the broadcast team
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  Speaker 5: or if the minister, or if the broadcast team just
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  Speaker 5: did a total disservice to Max Brosmer, but man, they
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  Speaker 5: were acting like we were getting ready to face Tom
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  Speaker 5: Brady and Josh Allen's love baby in that game last night.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard Joe while you're rooting
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  Speaker 5: for the Dodgers, but this Max Brosmer guy. I heard
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  Speaker 5: during practice the other day they brought out a big
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  Speaker 5: bucket of water and he walked on it. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's how they were acting in the pregame, and I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I guess I'll open my mind to the possibility that
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  Speaker 5: Max Brosmer is not being thrown to the wolves here today.
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  Speaker 4: But we might have the.
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  Speaker 5: Best defense in the National Football League, and he'd better
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  Speaker 5: be as good as you're talking about, because this is
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  Speaker 5: not fair to an undrafted rookie quarterback to have to
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  Speaker 5: step in play in Seattle against Mike McDonald and the
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  Speaker 5: healthiest our defense arguably has been all season long, and
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  Speaker 5: they just devoured the kid.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I mean that one play. He was undrafted,
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  Speaker 6: by the way. And yet last week when we were
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  Speaker 6: kind of going down the idea of who was going
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  Speaker 6: to be out there because JJ McCarthy's stilling concussion protocol,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you look it up and it was like
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  Speaker 6: what New Hampshire. And then he went to Minnesota and
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  Speaker 6: there were some people from Minnesota that were saying, hey,
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  Speaker 6: watch out, like people that watched him for one year, like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: look out, you've been warned. Max Brosner's coming. It's like, ok, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we got warned.
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  Speaker 5: We got warn plenty as the game was starting yesterday about.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Brugmer, Peyton Manning.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, and the next thing, you know, he's running
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  Speaker 5: for his life and throwing the ball into the air.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I mean the idea of what
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  Speaker 6: they were saying right at first, when when I heard
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  Speaker 6: him talking about how Kevin O'Connell really likes this kid's like, well,
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  Speaker 6: not enough to have him draft him, right, Just you know,
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  Speaker 6: give him a plane ticket to Minnesota and see what
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  Speaker 6: he could do if your other three, your other two
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  Speaker 6: quarterbacks were unavailable for whatever reason. And yeah, I was
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  Speaker 6: kind of like squinting my eyebrowser be like, what, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know for sure. Now we have seen it before,
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  Speaker 6: where undrafted guys or rookie guys or guys that have
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  Speaker 6: weren't weren't the starting guy have came in and beat Seattle.
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  Speaker 6: That's happened now. It's happened to every organization, but it
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  Speaker 6: does seem like it's happened a few different times here.
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  Speaker 6: It just didn't seem like it was going to happen
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  Speaker 6: to Mike McDonald and his defense.
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  Speaker 5: He looked like a rookie quarterback that went undrafted making
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  Speaker 5: his debut against a great defense. Yes, that's what he
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  Speaker 5: looked like. Nothing more than that, especially when he.
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  Speaker 7: Did that scrambling and then it was like just go
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  Speaker 7: down and then he just tosses it to Ernest Jones.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, oh, no, that is a you have
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  Speaker 7: hardly played mistake right there, like you have no experience
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  Speaker 7: because you should just take that sack.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was, I'm sure trying to throw the ball away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but the trajectory just went right into Ernest Jones' hands.
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  Speaker 5: But it was that, I mean, unless that's his style,
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  Speaker 5: to just throw everything off the right foot falling away.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe that's just his style, and maybe it'll work out
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  Speaker 5: perfectly with the experience. But yeah, but yeah, he got
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  Speaker 5: thrown right into the lions Den yesterday. And he has
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  Speaker 5: people talking, not just nationally who are coming around to
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  Speaker 5: what's going on here in Seattle. But I mean, even
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  Speaker 5: Brady Henderson wrote an article is this the best defense
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  Speaker 5: the Seahawks have ever had? Now, let's stop and analyze,
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  Speaker 5: just somebody that's pretty good, really good at their job,
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  Speaker 5: take the time to even ask that question, because I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we were all here, are well, I wasn't here, but
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  Speaker 5: we all experienced the legion of boom. That is the
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  Speaker 5: second greatest defense ever I've seen in my entire life,
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  Speaker 5: like in the history of football, like in my history
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  Speaker 5: of watching football. That is the second best defense that
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  Speaker 5: I've ever seen, next to the Chicago Bears.
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  Speaker 9: Of the mid eighties.
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  Speaker 5: And so if we're if anybody would take the time
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  Speaker 5: to write, is this the best defense in Seattle Seahawks
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  Speaker 5: franchise history? That's a mouthful even if it's not true.
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  Speaker 5: Just the fact that you even penned that question and
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  Speaker 5: put it at the top of your article that you're
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  Speaker 5: writing is quite the statement to make. My answer to
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  Speaker 5: that is I need to see a lot more. I
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  Speaker 5: need to see years of this. But I certainly feel
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  Speaker 5: that we are in the conversation here in Seattle of
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  Speaker 5: having the best defense in football, and I think it's
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  Speaker 5: getting better every single week, which is pretty scary.
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  Speaker 1: For everybody else.
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  Speaker 6: The idea of what he brings to the table that
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  Speaker 6: Mike McDonald, I'm speaking of what he brings to the table,
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  Speaker 6: the complexity of it and how that makes the opponent
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  Speaker 6: feel it is something that I don't know for sure
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  Speaker 6: if we can fully understand, you know, a year and
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  Speaker 6: a half into.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: I know last year before they brought Ernest Jones in
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  Speaker 6: and you were like, Okay, not sure what this is
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  Speaker 6: supposed to look like. Just that couple switches there at
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  Speaker 6: linebacker all of a sudden changed things as far as
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  Speaker 6: they're stopping the run. Game goes And then do the
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  Speaker 6: thing about the Legion of Boom was you didn't have
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  Speaker 6: to cover very long because the guys were getting there.
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  Speaker 6: It just seemed like this a perfect storm of how
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  Speaker 6: they had that thing set up, and it does seem
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  Speaker 6: like a two point zero of it, or you know,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure he would rather not be connected to it.
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  Speaker 6: I got my own thing going on here. It's a
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  Speaker 6: there's a different that we're going about this thing. But
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  Speaker 6: you're right, I mean the idea that it's a conversation.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's a complete conversation. I think we
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  Speaker 6: have enough information to compare the two. To me, it's
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  Speaker 6: apples and oranges at this point. But it most certainly
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  Speaker 6: is moving in the direction of Mike McDonald's like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna sit here for my entire career as
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  Speaker 6: an NFL head coach and you know, preferably for a
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  Speaker 6: decade plus here with the Seahawks and think that we're
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  Speaker 6: never going to have a defense better than the legion
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  Speaker 6: of boom. He's he's going out there striving to have
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  Speaker 6: people start to bring that conversation up, and eventually he
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  Speaker 6: probably wants them to be able to say, no, I
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  Speaker 6: think that now they've overtaken them, and that'll be a
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  Speaker 6: crazy conversation if they get to that point.
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  Speaker 7: It is just after you said that, I was like,
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  Speaker 7: there's no way that. I mean, just because of the
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  Speaker 7: lore of the Legion of Boom, Yeah, you do put
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  Speaker 7: them up against the best defenses in the history of football,
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  Speaker 7: and so I was just looking just even in one category,
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  Speaker 7: they finished the year with forty four sacks. We're at
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  Speaker 7: forty already with the five games left, which obviously there's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of other stats, but one right there just
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  Speaker 7: kind of stood out to me, like it's worth the conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I think that defense went four straight years number one
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL points allowed, in yards allowed, yea, which
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  Speaker 5: I don't think any other defense has ever done. So
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we're talking about comparing it to the great
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  Speaker 5: arguably the greatest defense at all time. So I'm not
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  Speaker 5: there yet, but certainly for somebody that covers the team
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  Speaker 5: on a daily basis and doesn't make a habit of
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  Speaker 5: just having hot takes, yeah exactly. For having introduced that
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  Speaker 5: conversation into the world, having breathed that into the narrative
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  Speaker 5: there this morning just proves just how great this defense
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  Speaker 5: has looked, how much better it seems to be getting
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  Speaker 5: every week.
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  Speaker 9: That was DeMarcus.
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  Speaker 4: Lawrence's best game as a Sea Hawk.
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  Speaker 5: That Ernest Jones felt like there were three Ernest Jones
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  Speaker 5: on the field yesterday four interceptions, and a lot of
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  Speaker 5: it has to do with you know, the next Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 5: Max Brosmer. You know, I think he contributed to how
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  Speaker 5: great the defense looked, but on the flips, and certainly
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  Speaker 5: we will have this conversation as well today. That was
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  Speaker 5: the worst past protection Sam Donald's been given his entire
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  Speaker 5: time as a Seahawk.
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  Speaker 9: That was concerning.
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  Speaker 5: And you're not gonna get to face a undrafted rookie
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  Speaker 5: quarterback who likes to throw falling away from the defense
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  Speaker 5: every single throw.
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  Speaker 4: You're not going to get that every single week.
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  Speaker 5: And so for Sam Donald to have no time and
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  Speaker 5: I don't put hardly any of it, if any of
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  Speaker 5: it on Sam Darnold. There were occasions, just like we
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  Speaker 5: saw with Russ and Gino, where he didn't have a
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  Speaker 5: chance on several different plays yesterday, Anthony Bradford, we might
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  Speaker 5: be at a point to get off the pot.
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  Speaker 4: On that particular decision.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it doesn't seem to be working.
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  Speaker 5: But Sam Donald, that was the worst past protection that
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  Speaker 5: he's gotten. I mean, it led to him not being
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  Speaker 5: able to survey the field. JSN only a two touch
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  Speaker 5: dude catches yesterday in the contest with Search certainly as
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  Speaker 5: an outlier for the season that he's had thus far.
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  Speaker 5: So there are some concerning things to discuss. There are
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  Speaker 5: some negative things to discuss today as well, following a
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  Speaker 5: twenty six nothing shutout.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah it wasn't perfect, but you know, I and Bradford is,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he's just not good now. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: for sure why he would just continue to be run
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  Speaker 6: out there. That tells me something about those in line
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  Speaker 6: behind him, right, And yet I don't know how bad
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  Speaker 6: they can be. I mean, they're pulling him and he
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  Speaker 6: just runs and just just runs like he's an blocking,
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  Speaker 6: invisible person and let's a real person run right at
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  Speaker 6: the at the guy and make the tackle. It's like
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  Speaker 6: block the one that is actually there would be nice.
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  Speaker 6: And then yeah, pass blocking it doesn't look good. And
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  Speaker 6: yet I don't know if there is a especially at
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  Speaker 6: this point in the season. Now he's a starter. He
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  Speaker 6: started the season there, it's not like he's there because
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  Speaker 6: of injury. But there's you know, everybody has holes, even
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  Speaker 6: the best offensive lines are gonna have a hole somewhere.
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  Speaker 6: And there's a couple of times I know yesterday there
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  Speaker 6: was a couple of plays where they ran behind him
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  Speaker 6: and Abe Lucas and and it was effective. So it's
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  Speaker 6: it's just his bad plays are like really bad, like
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  Speaker 6: where he's just standing there, like spinning in circles where
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  Speaker 6: people run by him. It's like if you block a
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  Speaker 6: guy and he just is better than you and gets
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  Speaker 6: by you, that's fine to just not touch anyone when
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  Speaker 6: you're a guy who's like your job is to touch
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  Speaker 6: people for sure and get in their way, not just hey,
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  Speaker 6: where are you coat? It's not good. And yet yeah,
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  Speaker 6: there's that leads to then there's pressure and Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 6: needs to do a better job of of not losing
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  Speaker 6: the ball when he is sacked. I mean, there's there's
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  Speaker 6: everybody's gonna get sacked, and sometimes you can't help it
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  Speaker 6: if you don't see it coming and they hit the ball.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody's hands are strong enough to withstand that. But then
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  Speaker 6: there's other times where you can tell he feels it collapsing,
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  Speaker 6: and there's still is times when the ball comes out.
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  Speaker 6: He's got to correct that or get better at that
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  Speaker 6: as much as he can. But again, you're right, it's
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  Speaker 6: it's one of those it's hard to find a whole
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  Speaker 6: bunch of negative stuff when you end up going out
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  Speaker 6: there and win in twenty six to zip.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just kept thinking, thank goodness for this defense
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  Speaker 7: because the offense was not good and so I mean
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  Speaker 7: even two.
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  Speaker 5: Hundred and twenty yards of total offense that usually means
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  Speaker 5: you lost.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty six to seven.
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  Speaker 7: If you look at Sam's statline against Max Brosmer's, the
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  Speaker 7: only difference is that Max through the four interceptions. I
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  Speaker 7: mean there's it's basically see or Max had more completions.
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  Speaker 7: They had about the same yardage. I mean, it's they
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  Speaker 7: were both sacked four times. So I mean it wasn't it.
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  Speaker 9: He didn't look Max Brosmer.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, no, he didn't know. I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm saying if you just looked at the stat line, though,
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  Speaker 7: that's you know, that's the only difference. If you look
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  Speaker 7: at the stat line and you're like, oh, well they
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  Speaker 7: didn't they almost have the same day they did not
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  Speaker 7: have almost the same day.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't a good day for the offense.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they had one touchdown in the entire game,
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  Speaker 5: settled for field goals. Defense put him an excellent position
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  Speaker 5: all day long and you still, I mean, there was
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  Speaker 5: you have to have a conversation that broadcasters have to
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: have a conversation once they started stopped waxing poetic about
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Max Brosberg being the.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Next Dan Marino.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Uh, they eventually had a conversation about how the offense
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: better feel what it's like to score a touchdown this week.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: And so that conversation ended up being held during the broadcast.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: So and again, the fact that it even comes up
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: suggests that there's you know, that wasn't exactly a picture
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: perfect day for the offense. So we've got a lot
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: to discuss. I mean, to me, that's a that's a
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: great problem to have on a sports talk show on
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: a Monday morning, coming off of twenty six nothing. When
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: that you get to talk a lot of superlatives, but
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: you also get to ask a lot of questions and
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: maybe drum up a few concerns. And so we've got
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: the experts to cover that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: Here.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Let's find out what's on tap for today's radio program.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: What's on tech?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: What's on tech? All right?
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Seawks twenty six Vikings Nothing, Monday Morning Quarter Session seven
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: oh five. Greg Bell will be joining us at eight
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: o'clock Hugh Millan will be with us. He'll stay with
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: us till ten o'clock, even when coach Holmgren joins the
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: program at nine. So we will break down twenty six
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: nothing over the Vikings throughout today's radio show. The Rams
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: lost yesterday to the Carolina Panthers, for goodness sake, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: so we draw even record wise with the Los Angeles
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Rams a top the NFC West. They still have the tiebreaker,
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: but we'll have a chance to average that out here
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks. Forty nine Ers also won yesterday,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: and so that means there are six teams in the
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: National Football League with nine wins or more, and three
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: of them are in the same division, the NFC West.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: At this point, we'll cover all of the week and
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: the National Football League coming up here at the bottom
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: of the hour with cold Turkey Sandwich a board of scores.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: We'll also find some time to talk about Oregon Washington.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: The Ducks win over the Husky's twenty six to fourteen Saturday.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I would call it competitive.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I would say the better team won, and certainly there
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: are a lot of things to discuss from that contest,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: A lot of concerning things I think from the husky's perspective,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: But it didn't feel like, man, we're are that close. No,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: but it did feel competitive for most of the game.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: It was competitive. I said that to a buddy and he
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: goes that, don't say that. That's like that sounds like
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: a little brother when he whoops your big brother when
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: he whoops up on his little brother in the back. Like, well,
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: you were competitive. I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: It was competitive there. It came down to before that
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: there was kind of a game ceiling touchdown. It kind
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: of came down to it felt like, oh man, you better,
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: you better go down and do something here because it
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: felt like the momentum had shifted most certainly in the stadium,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: so much better than last year's game. For you, Dub,
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: I think heading in the right direction. But I do
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: agree the best.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I do agree. There were a lot of concerns.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get what was that, Buck, I think the
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: better team Okay, I thought you had a point.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: You were trying to get across all the better team one.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: You didn't want to stand in the way of that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Since I think MIC's off, I couldn't hear what you said.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Uh, conference Championship Week is this week.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Organ's not playing in that though, I'll tell you that
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: much selection Sunday is coming up for the second ever
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: NCAA tournament in college football, and we will find time
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: to discuss the Lane Kiff and Saga as he did,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: in fact take the job at LSU, leaving Ole miss
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: before their playoff begins. The Kraken abbot won since last
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: day was here, thanks a lot, Ashley, Thanks Bucky.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's your fault.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, they will face off against Edmonton not until Thursday,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: so a little bit of a break here, and the
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Winter meetings will start a week from today, a little
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: less than a week from today. Major League Baseball's hot
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: stove offseason continues. Coming up next though, on the radio show,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: We've got cold Turkey Sandwich. That's right, a board of
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: football scores for you as we recap the week in
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: the National Football League on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio
• 21:15
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• 21:19
  Speaker 10: See have to do the Seattle second and six for
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: the Seahawks, charbting again over the left side, breaks the
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: tackle jut ups three touchdown first one of the day.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: For the Seahawks offense.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Joe Davis on the call on Fox yesterday the Seahawks
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: twenty six nothing win over the Minnesota Vikings. I don't
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: know what he was calling an NFL game between the
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Seahawks and Vikings, and yet I could just feel him
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: rooting for the Dodgers. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: it was about the entire broadcast. He was annoying the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: hell out of me out yesterday with his game call.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: I will say yesterday was surprising because it was Greg
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: Olsen with him, right, So, yeah, it was the first
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: day that Greg Olsen didn't annoy me as much as
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: he I like Greg ols I just think he talks
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: too much usually, Like sometimes it just seems like he's
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: talking endlessly.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't need to just fill every more.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess there's some truth to that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Some people were comparing it to sounding like a podcast
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: instead of yeah, a game a game.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when they take the snap, I don't need you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to still be talking.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: He does insert his opinion a lot too. Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: All right, seven o'clock hour, Good morning to you all.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend. We got
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of football to discuss today. Greg Bell will
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: be joining us here in a matter of a couple
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: of minutes. And then Hugh Milling at eight o'clock Mike
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Homeran at nine o'clock to talk about a twenty six
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: nothing shut out went over the Minnesota Vikings. That improved
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: the Seahawks two nine and three on the year. The
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Rams lost yesterday, so they are also nine and three.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Forty nine Ers won yesterday, Cleveland, They're just right there
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: despite all their injuries. Kyle Shannan asthm at nine and four.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: So three of these six teams in the National Football
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: League with nine wins or more all hail in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: NFC West, for goodness sake.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: So that's where our headlines begin. Brought to you by
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• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Like college football, I might raise my hand and say
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: this might be the first time in my life and
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I'm a huge college football fan, have been since I
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: was a kid. Same thing with the National Football League.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: This was the first time, maybe in my life, that
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the NFL Sunday felt so weak compared to College Football Saturday.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Like I got I watched College football Saturday, woke up
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: and getting ready to watch the NFL Sunday, and I'm like, man,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: this does not compare to the energy and the height
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: that I felt like we experienced yesterday. And I give
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: all the credit in the world to actually having an
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: NCAA tournament, actually having a tournament and having more people
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: involved and more things on the line on the last
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: day of the regular seat, and that's what I give
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: the credit to. So it was a fun college football weekend,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: even though Washington took it on the chin against Oregon
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: twenty six to fourteen competitive game, but Oregon ends up
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: pulling away late in that contest. This week is conference
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: championship week and Selection Sunday is coming up in six
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: days to determine the NCAA Tournament field. Lane Kiffin is
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: leading All miss and he is heading to LSU.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: We will talk about this.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Later on in the hour, because this is some mound
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: of bs right here that we're dealing with. So we'll
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: talk about Lane Kiffin later on in the hour. Krack
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: and haven't won since I last.
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: Was on the show Friday.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know what went wrong, but there'll be in
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: action against Edmonton on Thursday, and we are less than
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: a week away from the Winter meetings getting started. It's
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: already been a rather interesting offseason so far across Major
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: League Baseball. And for the Mariners, just re signing Josh
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Naylor and extending him has already gave them a better
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: offseason than they had last offseason. And we're not even
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: to the Winter Meetings yet, and so that will get
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: cranked up starting on Sunday night. So those are your headlines,
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• 25:11
  Speaker 5: let's chat with Greg Bell.
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: With the bell tolls.
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• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Now with twelf Man News, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and Bud.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Come morning, Greg, Good morning.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Did you have a good Thanksgiving?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That was great? Kids together, four of us back.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Together, great, nice, nice, nice, nice, all right, excellent.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, I wasn't here obviously the last
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: week to hear if you predicted another shutout? Did you
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: product a shutout again this week? Because it actually would
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: have come true this week.
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I did say I was wrong on the shutout.
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: I implied that was I implied that was possible. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: had it at my ready fingertips the last time they
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: had a shut out, because I'd just done the research
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: for Tennessee. I said they wouldn't score a touchdown. I
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: think I said they'd scored two field goal six points
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: or something. But yeah, that was as it should have been.
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: An undrafted rookie quarterback four years at an FCS level
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: playing his first game against the Mike McDonald defense, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: it happened just as it should have, and just as
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: I thought it would. Most people thought it would four interceptions.
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: They sacked them two or three four times, completely controlled
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: the game. Minnesota had one hundred and sixty two yards.
• 26:45
  Speaker 12: Sam Donald could have turned it over ten times and
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: the Seahawks still would have won that game. So by
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: the second quarter, I was writing my game story already
• 26:52
  Speaker 12: for the News Tribune. And what I decided right about
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: was is this team, specifically this offense, with this quarter
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: back good enough to win the NFC West and good
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: enough to beat the Rams and the forty nine ers.
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: And I don't think yesterday is conclusive at all. To say,
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: the leads toward that regard.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And really their season.
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: Sam Darnold has a propensity to drop the ball, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: the most important thing that he can be at a
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: quarterback is secure of the ball. It's part of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: quarterback's job that when he is in the pocket, he
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: will get hit at times, and sometimes more than others,
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: and some schemes more than others will exploit that. Obviously,
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: Brian Flores is blitzing early in the game, dropping defensive
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: tackles off later in the game, having he had Anthony
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: Bradford and others, not just Bradford just standing around like
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: they were waiting on a light rail train instead of
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: blocking anyone on some pass protection.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: That's an issue.
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: And then when you can't get the ball out in time,
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: you have to hold onto it, you can't drop it,
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: and he loses the ball a lot in the pocket.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I thought the.
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: Most interesting thing in the post game beside Ernest Jones
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: and his personal vitalization, and he was a great story
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: and explaining it to the team and then to me
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: when I asked him after the game. But he found
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: himself last week. But from a football standpoint, the most
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: interesting thing to me was Cooper cub when I asked him, okay, specifically,
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: what do you need to fix offensively, because he's pretty
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: hard on himself in the offense after the game, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: he said, well, when teams come at us like that
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: with pass pressure, if they're batting down passes, we need
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: to get outside the pocket and get the quarterback on
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: the move. If they're getting pressure, then we need to
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: run away from the pressure. We need to throw run routes,
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: and Noah's receivers that maybe instead of our fifteen and
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: twenty and ten yard routes, they need to be two
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: yard routes I'm paraphrasing. And that change started to happen
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: later in the game. But they came out trying to
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: do what they did all season with Jackson Smith and
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: Jegbu do ten, twelve, fifteen yard routes, and Flores' pass
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: rush would not allow it, and it took him almost
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: a full half to figure that out and change.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And adjust to that. Suffice to say, guys.
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: That offensively, there are warning bells about how sustainable this
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: team defense can win almost every game playing like that yesterday.
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: But they're not going to get an undrafted rookie quarterback
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: starting against them when they play the Rams forty nine
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: ers in playoff teams.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean what was it that Flores was doing?
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Because I do think you get to this time of
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: the year and it's that you have to adjust to
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: the adjustments that are made against you. There's enough film
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: that people understand, Okay, this is not just maybe they're
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: going to do this. You know for a fact they're
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: going to try to go to Jackson Smith and Jigman.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: You know they're going to do it with those ten
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: fifteen yard routes and he's going to put up the
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: big numbers, and so teams start adjusting and you have
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: to readjust so what was it that the defense was doing,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: because I do feel like this wasn't the only game
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: across the NFL that you saw people come up with
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: game plans that were stopping what had been successful for
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: some teams.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Bucky, let's.
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: Start with the fact that the Falcons this week, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: Colts the week after, the Rams again and the forty
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: nine ers and so on are going to look this
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: tape and what the Vikings and Florid's did and try
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: to replicate it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: They're going to copy. That's the way the Lea.
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: Get nothing new on Smith and Jiggbit. They had a
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: cornerback covering low. They had a safety over the top.
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: They were shading when they were in single high or
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: even two high coverage. They were shading his safety over
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: to his side. That's something every team has done all year.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: Yet he's still beating it for on pace to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: two thousand yards until yesterday. What the Vikings did? They
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: did that, but then they had a pass rush that
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: made Donald have to get rid of the ball or
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: lose the ball before the Smith and Jimmy ran the
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: twelve to fifteen yard routes. I'm thinking of a third
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: down in the red zone in the first half where
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: he was on the left side and in a bunch formation,
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: three wide receivers to the left, and it was third
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: and goal at the eleven after an ill fated second
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: down run and Donald waited for Smith and Jiggby to
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: run a twelve yard in route. He was one yard
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: inside the goal line while he was waiting van Nel
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: or whatever the hell of the guy's is on the
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: left edge, did a spin move and beat VN Kinkle
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: did a spin movie did he beat the tight end?
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: And he beat the chipping line running back with a
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: spin move, and that wasn't even a blitz. That was
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: a fake blitz. So what Flores did He started the
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: game by blitzing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: How was he doing that?
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: Well, he was putting his defensive lineman and dropping him
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: fake pass rushing and then dropping him and then sending
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: linebackers where usually the defensive lineman will go. And the
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: Seahawks Anthony Bradford, notably in a couple plays, were tracking
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: the defensive linemen who weren't pass rushing, and they were
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: standing there watching the guys they thought they were going
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: to block backpedal, and while they were watching them, the
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: linebacker was speeding right by him and never saw him.
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: That happened in the inside linebacker stack on a third
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: down in the first quarter. So Flora started blitzing, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: the Seahawks tried to adjust to that. So then Flora's
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: counter to that counter was I'll fake the blitz, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: then the Seahawks couldn't one on one rush with spin
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: moves all the while Smith and Jigg was running twelve
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: and fifteen yards down the field. Donald didn't have time
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: for that, and so Flores's schemes confused the pass protection
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: enough that made a twelve yard route next to impossible.
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: So what started happening in the second half you started
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: seeing right away and the third quarter. First of all,
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: they ran the ball more, and they treated Kenneth.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Walker like a lead running back in the start of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: each half.
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: But then when they did throw to Smith and jig With,
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: the way he got his first catch six minutes left
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: in the third quarter was on like a two yard route,
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: a quick out route, and then his second catch was
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: basically an extended handoff, a no step Sam Donald turn
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: and throw the ball to Smith and Jigba and basically
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: a bubble screen. And so those are the opposite of
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: ten to fifteen and twenty yard routes that got him
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: the league's leading receiver in yards. That's the change that
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: they made, but not until the third quarter. And so
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: that's why it took so long for Smith and Jigby
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: to be part of the game because what he had.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Done all season, the Vikings took away.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: Having said all of that, you still get a hold
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: onto the ball. It the quarterback number one job is
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: ball security, and if he's gonna get blitzed, if he's
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: gonna get pressure, no matter how big pressure comes, he
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: still has to hold onto the ball, meaning you take
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: the sack. If you take the sack, you don't turn
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: the ball over in your own red zone and so on,
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: and that has been a problem all season. It's fifteen
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: turnovers now, ten interceptions and five lost fumbles. That's the
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: second most turnovers in the league behind tung Ovola the Dolphins.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody would have guessed JSN and
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson would have combined for four catches and twenty
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: seven yards in the game without either of them being injured.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: They played four full court.
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: Deep deep into the third quarter. They had five combined
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: targets and no catches.
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, crazy yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks insider. You can
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: follow Mat g Bel Seattle and of course get complete
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: coverage of yesterday's twenty six nothing when they're at Thenewstribune
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: dot Com. Joins us here this morning to recap the
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: twenty six nothing victory over the Minnesota Vikings. Let's hand
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: out some flowers though, to that defensive side.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Of the ball.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Who do you think Mike McDonald would say I had the
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: better game? Ernest Jones, DeMarcus Lawrence, or somebody.
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: Else DeMarcus Lawrence, and Lawrence wiled the coach with what
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: he called his new favorite all time play. He was
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: pass rushing in the second half. They threw to the
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: running back behind him. He fell to the ground as
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: he was passed un and got off the ground and
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: ran toward his own goal line and sprinted from behind
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: and knocked the ball out from Jones caused the funnel
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: the tyle cotter recover, and that play. He'll show it
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: five hundred times on film this week.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: His teammates it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: Just he said, it was an incredible, unbelievable play for
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: a guy to show that effort. He's a twelve year
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: veteran of thirty two years old. He caused the interception
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: that Ernest Jones ran back the eighty five yeard touchdown.
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: I mean, brosmer that. I don't care what your tenure is,
• 34:59
  Speaker 12: rookie quarterback or not. You just can't chuck the ball sideways.
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: It's fourth down, yes, so he's thinking, I can't.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Take a sack here, but you can't do that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: Just hand the ball like a horseshoe toss to the
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: linebacker standing ten yards in front of you. That changed
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: the game. The Vikings after that turnover that Donald gave
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: him were poised to go in and take a seven
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: to three lead and became ten to nothing instead because
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: a Broze was just handing the ball to Jones thanks
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: to Marcus Lawrence.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: On that play.
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: The Vikings counted on Lawrence either getting sneaky on the
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: boot leg or not looping outside but just holding the edge,
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: and they thought that Brozemer could beat him to the
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: outside instead. McDonald's call was for him the Marcus Lawrence
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: to loop outside opposite the flow to play. That was
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: a flow play action to the left and then I'll
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: roll out to the right. And it appeared to me
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: that McDonald called for Lawrence to do that because the
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: natural thing would have been for Lawrence.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: To flow with the play to his right. He looped
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to the left, absolutely opposite of the.
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: Playfake like it never had happened, and was just in
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: the face of Roseman before he.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Even had a chance to do anything.
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: So credit McDonald for that, and Kevin O'Connell after the
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: game said, while calling her a catastrophically bad play, said that, yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: the defensive end looping outside.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Is what ruined that play.
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: De Marcus Lawrence has been a revelation for them eleven
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: years in Dallas. He has made them whole on the
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: defensive line. Teams in pass rush pass protection can't just say, well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: let's just focus on Leonard Williams and all pro type
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: defensive linemen. They if they devote two guys to block,
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: including chippers to block Lawrence or excuse me to buck Williams,
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: then Lawrence is alone basically one on one. So they
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: that has evened out the pass protection plan against Seattle,
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: and the defensive line is feasting because of Lawrence.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Ernest Jones was down on the field for just a minute,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: got up and got off the field under his own power.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: So I don't think it's anything crazy, but he's pretty
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: important to this defense health wise. Is he good?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You think? He said he's fine.
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: The striking thing to me about that eighty five yard
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: interception returns how fast and fluid he looked running right
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: because he had a bulky right knee brace at rams game,
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: and he missed two of the previous three games, missed
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: a little bit of practice time this past.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Week, then came back to full go at the end.
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: He said he felt fast and good on that run.
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: He was sitting up injured there and briefly went off,
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: but as soon as.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: He went off, he didn't go into the ten.
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: Even the ten was up, and he asked for his
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: helmet back and he would have gone back and had
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: the Vikings gotten a first down that drive, he missed
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: two plays.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Including the fourth down, and that's why he didn't come
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: back in.
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: And then when it was the next time for defense
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: commana field, it was garbage time with the minute left
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: of twenty.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Six nothing, so the reserves were on and Jones wasn't there.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So he said he's fine.
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: He said that he found himself basically this past week.
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: Wasn't living the way he wanted to wasn't dealing well
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: with his father's death. His best friend, his father guy
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: he spoke to every Tuesday and the off seasons. Their
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: in season passed away in July of ewing sarcoma.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: He said he wasn't handling that right. It wasn't living
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the way he wants to live. With the cross that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: he wears around.
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: His neck and he got that on his knees and
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: prayed this past week and and said that he's changing
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: his life. And he told his team that after the
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: game in a very vulnerable moment. McDonald called it one
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: of the best locker room speeches he'd ever seen. So
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: it was a much bigger week for Ernest Jones than
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: the game.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He had yesterday.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Uh well, I think that might be where we needed.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: How we're gonna follow up on that, So all right,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: excellent stuff here today. Appreciate it, mister Bell. Thank you
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: very much, and we'll do it again next week. Well, actually,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: we'll talk to.
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: You again tomorrow. What am I talking about? Well, rusty girl,
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: I thought I was getting the week off.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, oh, you got the week off.
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: This is nice to me.
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: I thought I would get it when you set out
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: that we'll do it again next week.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, we're gonna do it for
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: a week.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, we might even call you
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: later on today, like this afternoon.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, awesome stuff man, Thank you, all right,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Greg mell Our, Seahawks Insider. If you want to read
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: up on that Ernest Jones store or any of his
• 39:00
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• 39:04
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• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Coming up next on the radio program, we will play
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: some factor fiction.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: This is it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: This is the final week, so all of these picks
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: are crucial. So I haven't made a pick in over
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: a week. It will be my turn today. I'll make
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: that at seven thirty five. Also, we'll hear from Mike
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: McDonald after yesterday's shutout victory at Sports Radio ninety three
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• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Here me little join us at eight o'clock. Mike ho,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: i'mran at nine o'clock.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: So two hours of Sea Hawk talk after a twenty
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: six nothing shutout went over the Minnesota Vikings yesterday to
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: improve the team to nine and three.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: If I know Hugh Millan, and I.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Think we all know Hugh Millan, he probably wants to
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: talk a little college football.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: But we'll see, we'll see, we'll see how.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: The two hours ago.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: This will be our only opportunity to talk about Lane
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Kiffin today. It's a big topic. There are so many
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: layers to it. We will certainly spend more time on
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: it tomorrow. I'm sure that you two have your thoughts,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: and I'm trying to figure out, like, okay, we've got
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: just this one segment.
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: What do I want to isolate?
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: And I think what's most important to relay this morning
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: is what it appears to me has happened, and that
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: was that Lane Kiffin's known for a long time he
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: was going to LSU the moment that they showed how
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: interested they were, he just you know, he was gone.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: The bags were packed, but he still wanted to coach
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: his team out and see if they can make the
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: SEC championship game, and so on and so forth. And
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: then as the clock came down, he kept acting acting like,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: how difficult a decision it was, And I'm going to
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: meet with these people on this day and meet with
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: those people on that day, and I consult with my
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: mentors and everything else throughout the course of the week.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: And what I've gathered or what it feels like I'm
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: reading between the tea leaves here. I don't know for
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: a fact. Is it sounds like it was I'm leaving
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: for LSU. Will you let me coach my team the
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: rest of the way? Will you let me coach when
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: I'm the head coach of your most hated rival.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: Basically, or one of them?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Will you let me coach the rest of the season.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: That's what the negotiation was Saturday, the cloak and Dagger negotiation.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: And then apparently he played hardball and said, if you
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: don't let me do it, I'm taking all of my
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: coaches with me. And so the players who've acted like
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: I've cared about this entire time. I'm going to strip
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: them of any chance of winning in the tournament because
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to take all of my coaches
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: as a leverage play for you to let me coach
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: in the tournament before I go to LSU while I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: recruiting for LSU. This was what he was trying to
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: negotiate at the end, and then he didn't get his way.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: He went to his coaches and said, if you don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: come with me right now, you're not going to be
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: on my staff. And a couple of them went, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: most of them stayed. And so that's how the Lane
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Kevin era ends in Ole Miss And I understand one
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: hundred percent why Rebels fans hate his guts right now.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't understand how it works the way
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: that it works. I mean, I'm not going to faull
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Team Bay for taking a job that they think is
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: better right in LSU. If he thinks, you know, right now,
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: you're going to go to a team and try to
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: build them up to a college playoff team, and you're
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: leaving a team that's going to be in the college
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: football playoffs. I don't fully understand My whole thing is,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: if you're so sought after, if LSU wants you so bad,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: and I.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Don't know why they do, Frank, how do you not turn?
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: How do you not tell him? I can't leave this
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: team before I've seen it to the end. And if
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: you can't handle that, then I can't take the job.
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: How can you not have that integrity? I would think
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: as an employer, as the future employer LSU, you would
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: like that. Yeah, you would be like, you know what,
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you're standing on that. That's good. That shows
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: me something versus the pettiness of there must have been
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: somewhere I would have to think that he wanted to
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: see this thing through and yet he wanted his cake.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: And he wanted to eat it too.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I want the job, but you should give
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: me the chance to see if I can win a
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: national championship with the team that I'm abandoning.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and yet yeah, I mean I guess to some
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: degree it's like, well, we don't want you to win
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: a NAST championship, so now it's I don't have I mean,
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: obviously there's one duck that I have a rooting interest for,
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: and other than that, it's old miss. I will be
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: cheering hard for old miss to win it, and then
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: him to go to L's you and never win it,
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: just because the integrity that you, the lack thereof, is
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: just I just can't. It's just gross to me. I mean,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: yet you should be able to stand on it and say,
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: I am the most sought after coach right now in
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: this coaching cycle apparently, and so if you want me,
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: you have to let me do what's right by this.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: The kids, the guys that I'm coaching, I can't lead
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: them to this place and then bolt on them and
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: yank all the coaches out underneath him. It's it's pitiful,
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: to be honest, it's it's gross, and you're you are.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: I think he got really mad when somebody called him
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: a hoe. Well sorry, Bud. Yeah, knack like one, walk
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: like one, talk like one.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: You might be one.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a petulant brat.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: And he tried to show everybody that he'd changed and
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: that he was different, and maybe for a brief amount
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: of time he had changed and he was different.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And then when he.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Wasn't gonna get his way and do exactly how he
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: wanted to do it, dictate exactly how he was going
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: to abandon one program and go to another program. Then
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: he threw a fit and basically took all his toys
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: and went home and was like, Okay, well then if
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: that's the case, then I'm gonna screw you guys over
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: And I don't.
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: Care all those players.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I care so much.
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: Yep, exactly, It's not about the players at all. Also,
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: I don't think it is a better job. He just
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: got offered a lot more money.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: It historically is.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: But I'll say this to your point, I mean, it
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to be going forward. Yeah, it's all about
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: nil and whichever whichever alums want to fork out the
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: most money. And you might have a situation where there's
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: gonna be more of it at Ole Miss than LSU.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Probably not, but that's what Nick Saban said on Saturday.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: He's gonna go to the place that he feels why
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: he can get the best players, and that probably is LSU.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: But there is a way that you can handle it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: And of course Lane kiffen mishandled it entirely, and then
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: for those that are we'll let him coach it out.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: What's it gonna hurt?
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Didn't.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine like going to your spouse
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: and saying, Hey.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I'm leaving you, and I'm gonna leave you for the
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: person you hate the most.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: And in the meantime, because I can't do it right away,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna need you to be a buddy and just
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: act like everything's fine and and his dinner just about ready.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and yeah, because I'm just gonna stay here for
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: a while. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, And I'm just gonna
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: live in the house.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna live in the house and uh, and just
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: know that soon I will be making sweet love to
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: the person that you hate. Yeah, but uh, and for
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: the rest of my life probably. But in the meantime,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: could you be a buddy in clean up?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: And also, I have some laundry that's got to get done.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: No way do you let him go.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: He's recruiting for LSU right now, and you're gonna let
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: him coach?
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, mess, of course you can't.
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: And then all those players keep loving him and then
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: they all leave. Yeah, so we'll have more time talk
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: about tomorrow. And I don't ever want to hear anybody
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: bag at player again. When when coaches act this way,
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, Christian McCaffrey didn't want to play in a
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: meaningless bowl game to protect himself for the NFL draft, ever,
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: giving himself to Stanford for four years and like carrying
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: the ball thirty times a game.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: And here's Lane Kiffin on the verge of the postseason tournament,
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: not thinking that's important enough to stay for just out
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: of just selfish, selfish interest financially, to get to a
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: better place. All right, we'll talk more about it tomorrow.
• 48:30
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• 48:35
  Speaker 11: He rolls, he's pressured, he's in trouble. He's it up,
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: Harness Jones, Pusstall.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: He well take it all day.
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: The game, change in play turn Arnest Jones, eighty four
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: yards and no flags.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Joe Davis, Fox Sports on the call of the pick
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: six part of the Seahawks defensive excellence yesterday, twenty six nothing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: They went over the Minnesota of Ikings and so it
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: was a bit of a laugher. Certainly, Mike McDonald looked
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: very pleased afterwards with his shutout victory as a defensive
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: minded head coach. But there are some things to discuss
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: on the offensive side of the ball that seemed a
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: little concerning. We got the right guy to discuss them.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Hugh Millan is with us. It's Monday morning quarterback session
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: with our QB one and Hugh. I don't think there's
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: any debate. I thought that was the worst pass protection
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: I've seen thus far this season for Sam Darnold. There
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: were times where he didn't stand a chance. What broke
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: down and is it concerning going forward? Well, a lot
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: broke down. There are some concerns going forward. I think
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: they certainly have to fix the problems that they had.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: I felt like going into the game, first of all,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: you just know how the Vikings are defensively. They are
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: going into the game number one in the NFL forty
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: four and a half percent of the use of three
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: to four that's that's obviously seven seven man front. But
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: when you only have three defensive linemen and you have
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: four linebackers, even on the basic stuff, there's a little
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: bit of extra thinking for the offense because they have
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: generally two outside linebackers on either side two inside linebackers.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: But any of those four linebackers can rush, but it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: not really a blitz. It's a four man rush, and
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: you can play. The standard standard defense is seven man
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: in coverage, four man rushing right, so anything more than
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: four is considered a blitz. But what the the Vikings
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: do is they again number one in the use of
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: three to four. They are deadline in the use of nickel.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: So they want big people and they want want to
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: put everybody up on the line of scrimmage so that
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: they are a threat. Any of them are a threat
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: to pass rush, and all of them can rush pass
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: rush decently. And they have enough again because they're they're
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: not a nickel there. They're linebackers or defense, and there's
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: only three defensive linemen. They can get all these guys
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: up the line of scrimmage. They can they can get Harrison,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: that that veteran safety that might be a Hall of Famer. Uh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: he's got great instincts as a pass rusher. So they
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: have an entire bevy of different pass rushes. They can
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: show you by having everybody mugged up on the line
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: and you have to communicate who's coming. And the Vikings
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: come in into the game. We're number one in the
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: NFL in terms of percent of snaps with pressure and
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: creating pressure and and so so what you saw was
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: just every makes of of zone blitz where they had.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: There was times where they you're look and you say,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, that's a three under or excuse me,
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: three deep and two under zone. That is that is
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: crazy from a coverage standpoint. To even talk about that,
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: you're just assuming that somebody there's gonna be he havoc
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: and havoc early. And so that was a big.
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: Part of it.
• 52:24
  Speaker 13: They would do two deep four unders. They were they
• 52:27
  Speaker 13: they are playing what's called a palms palms technique where
• 52:33
  Speaker 13: the cornerback is is waiting on the corner in the safety.
• 52:38
  Speaker 13: They read the widest receiver in the slot. If they
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: both go vertical, they both get vertical vertical. But if
• 52:45
  Speaker 13: anybody's in the hat in the in the in the flat,
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: then the corner triggers on the flat and the safety
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: is over the top on the outside receiver. In Seattle's
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: propensity to run squeeze formations, when you have a lot
• 52:58
  Speaker 13: of receivers that are close to the ball, that allows
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: that coverage to be played with greater regularity. You can
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: bring guys off the edge. And so Seattle did a
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: very poor job of communicating. I mean, third, the first
• 53:10
  Speaker 13: the first blitz. For example, third and eleven, there's four
• 53:14
  Speaker 13: to to Sam Darnold's left and there's four to the right,
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: so Seattle, they send the center to the left. They
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: got a linebacker coming in the A gap and he
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: saw that Sharbonne. He did a poor job of blocking,
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: and he just never seems to get his hips right.
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: He takes guys on with the wrong show. He will
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: never ever block with his left shoulder, even when he should.
• 53:41
  Speaker 13: He only will block with his right shoulder. So he
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: was getting blown up all day. And then you got
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: a linebacker in the B gap who starts at Anthony Bradford,
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: your worst lineman, but then he pops out that holds
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: Bradford for just a second. There's no way that he's
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: gonna get to Harrison the safety coming into his outside
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: and and Abe Lukes Lucas gets smoked. So and and
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: Sam Darnold has three guys that he's fighting for his life.
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: Uh uh, and and they all came from the right side.
• 54:14
  Speaker 13: I just I just outlined one. We could be here
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: for an hour and a half and I could break
• 54:20
  Speaker 13: down the situations. But you're asking, Okay, what what is
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: the summary of it? The summary of it is that
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: they play a lot of uh variety of zones behind
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: their pressures, zones that make no sense. If you drop
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: on a whiteboard, you'd say, well, but we're gonna have
• 54:37
  Speaker 13: guys running all over scott Free. But they they create
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: such a problem with your communication. They are they are
• 54:44
  Speaker 13: counting on Brian Floor is the the defense coordinator. They
• 54:48
  Speaker 13: are counting on that that miscommunication on the one uh
• 54:51
  Speaker 13: that the sack fumble down in the uh in Seattle's
• 54:55
  Speaker 13: on end of the territory. Territory they have, you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: everybody overload. You got a tight end, a rooky tight
• 55:02
  Speaker 13: end in here. He blocks down, shouldn't have blocked down
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: the tackle and in that case he had enough guys
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: to uh uh Abe Lucas had his man. There's no
• 55:12
  Speaker 13: reason for the rooky tackle the uh to block down,
• 55:15
  Speaker 13: but he does. And so now you got Dallas Clark
• 55:19
  Speaker 13: if you remember him from the draft, you know, a
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: great athlete coming just you know, shot a bat out
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: of hell and he and he blows right into sam Donold.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: So so it's.
• 55:28
  Speaker 13: The communication piece, uh the you know, and then they're
• 55:31
  Speaker 13: doing funky things like they played very little man a man,
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: but they had Harrison, the safety. He's he's running out
• 55:40
  Speaker 13: at Jackson Smith and Jigba and by the by the way,
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: they had Byron Murphy covering j s N on shadowing
• 55:49
  Speaker 13: him a lots on press, man and man. Harrison is
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: screaming out on the inside. Well that you never see
• 55:55
  Speaker 13: that on bump and run. So that there there's there's
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: stuff that are very unorthodox with what they do. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: almost think that as a bust. And then I'll finally,
• 56:04
  Speaker 13: as I mentioned JSN, you know, there hasn't been many
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: opportunities to criticize him. He hasn't deserved it. But I'll
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: tell you on one play the Vikings were playing. You
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: know in basketball that box and one everybody's playing zone,
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: but you play you take the best player and you
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: play man and man with him. Well, they had a
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: play where you could say it's like that they're playing
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: what's called the cover six or cover two to one,
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: side four to the other. I mean, it's very clear
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: what they were playing. But they had Byron Murphy just
• 56:36
  Speaker 13: shadowing JSN wherever he went, and JSN ran a twelve
• 56:40
  Speaker 13: yard hook. He started the forty six yard line, went
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: to the thirty four yard line. He started turning his
• 56:44
  Speaker 13: eyes back at the forty yard line, six yards before
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: he was going to break. He turns his hips at
• 56:50
  Speaker 13: the thirty seven. He still goes up the field to
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: the thirty four. That would be I would give him
• 56:56
  Speaker 13: a minus. I'd give him a double minus if it
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: meant on the pass right. It's a terrible route, and
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: you know he's just gloved up, and then Darnold put
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: it in a catchable place and he didn't get it.
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: Maybe at this juncture he was kind of his mind
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: was distracted or he wasn't into it. But that's a
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: very sloppy route. So so we don't you know, there's
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: blame to go around for everybody. Yeah, offensively, And I
• 57:24
  Speaker 13: think it was like a fighter just being against the
• 57:26
  Speaker 13: ropes man there they were taking it to Seattle. Seattle
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: was on their heels on the ropes in a lot
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: of different ways, and all the numbers reflected.
• 57:35
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  Speaker 3: dot Com. Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike Congrin
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Buck nine o'clock hour here on this Monday.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: That's right, Ashley Ryan, Bucky Jacobs, a Chuck pal back
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: together here on this Monday morning, and of course we've
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: got our pillars of analysis. Hugh Mellan's been with us
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: since eight o'clock this morning and joining us now in studio.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Mike Holmgren is with us as well. Good morning, Coach.
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: Good morning, good morning, good to see you.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: How is Thanksgiving? Did you carve the big Swedish meatball
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: for the family?
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: No?
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: No, you see, once again you're confusing oh Thanksgiving with Christmas.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: Okay, he does confuse those.
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: Well, he doesn't have a there's no bright line. There's
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: no bright line. The Christmas tree meatballs are Christmas meatballs
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: and cold lumber, a lot of Swedish things. Okay, all right, Turkey,
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: so the turkey was good Turkey Closs told me that.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: No, see it's not turkey class. See, Coach been uncoachable, uncoachable,
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: you know what.
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: He leaves for a while and he gets all messed up.
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: We got to bring you back into the fold.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: I opened our first Christmas present Thursday and it was stuffing.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: So you're right.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: I am crossing streets just so you just so you know,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: just so you know, and you know I know, you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: take notes and you're you know all that, take some notes.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: Thanksgiving was wonderful. The next day my bad foot and all.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: Kathy took me over to our storage unit. I got
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: all the trees, all the things, and we put up
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: the tree and every the next day Friday. That's the timing. Yeah, okay, right.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: Day after Thanksgiving when you start getting.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: Ready for and then Friday and Saturday, then you start
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: throwing the meatballs. You start all that kind of stuff. Okay,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: not before, all right, but that's falling on deaf ears
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: for last what five years, trying to throwing the meat balls. Okay,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: got it, got it, got it, got it last.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Well, we've got a twenty six nothing football game to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: just disc.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: Talk about Christmas. You know, that was a game. I'm
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: watching that game and it's like it's it's hurting me,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: it's hurting me to watch it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: But that's Mike McDonald's Christmas though. I mean, you tell
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: me a defensive minded head coach posting a shutout what
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: that does to a guy like Mike McDonald.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: You know he is he is, although as tough as
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: he is on himself, Uh, he's still gonna bang it
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: around a little bit, but a shutout. Yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 9: And he's a defensive guy, and it's he has to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: feel good about that. And where the team is right now.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: You know, I always stayed away from looking ahead, but
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: I'm now I can look ahead, and I'm looking at
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: They've got Atlanta coming up, They got you know, Indianapolis,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: I think coming up, yes, and that they're they're kind
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: of I don't know what's happening with them, but it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: all boils down to this. Seems like the Rams game
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: on Thursday night, you know, and and it's kind of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: that's kind of cool. The division is strong, forty nine
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: ers are still in it. But yesterday I don't I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: don't know. I should listen to you. He broke it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: down and knows all the stuff that's going on. I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: just watched the game and then boy it was hard.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: Well, Mike, we'd have to also mention Carolina after the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: Ram game. That could be a track game, right, I mean,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: they just beat the Rams, you know, between the forty
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 13: nine er game and that Ram game on November eighteenth,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: Carolina could be a challenge. But you mentioned obviously Mike
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 13: McDonald feeling really good. The whine or the vodka or
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 13: whatever is his beverage on a Sunday night after the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 13: game tastes a little better because his defense was so
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: essential to the win.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: What if you had been.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 13: The head coach last night and you had coached what
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: you saw unbelievable performance by your defense against the rookie
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 13: coquarter back. But then you saw what you saw, what
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 13: you said, they made your eyes bleed. If you saw
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: what you saw, what would be your takeaway last night
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 13: is you were drinking the wine.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: Well, I think, as Chuck pointed out, it's a shutout,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: and you shut out anybody in this league, you should
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: That's okay. You can have the you can have a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: glass of wine. Really. Having said that, however, that poor
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: young guy who played quarterback, they didn't have a chance.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: There was no chance. So the only way they were
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: staying in the game, they stayed in the game early
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: because their defense. Actually Minnesota put gave the Seahawks and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: problems early with their defense. And then you know, I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: don't know I'm speculating here, but I'm watching Jefferson, I'm
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: watching some of these guys. I'm watching their head coach
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: on television. As the game's progressing, and it was like
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: they said they knew, they knew they couldn't do anything,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: and that that if I was the coach of the Vikings,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: that would bother me, that would really bother me. And
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: and you know, but I think I think early on
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: it was you know, it was a defensive game, was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: going to be a defensive game, and then that crazy interception,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: and then then after that it was over.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, as different between getting beaten and getting broken. And
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: it did look like I mean, justin, Justin Jefferson looks broken,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: just like man, I, yeah, understand me. So you're one
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: of the best receivers and you just can't get anything
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: together and one of the better coaches out there and
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: can't get anything going right either. But I mean, I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: have something I actually want to ask coach, and then Hugh,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: you can chime into being a quarterback. A lot of
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: concern about the turnovers and and the fumbles from Sam
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: Darnold right, that people just constantly are going to be
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: concerned about that. Obviously, taking care of the ball is important,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: but there's got to be some sort of just cost
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: of doing business right where you're gonna from time to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: time a big dude's gonna smack you when you're you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: didn't see it coming, and you're gonna cough the ball up.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: So do you have a bunch of concern about him?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: The fumbles because you're right early on in the game
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: before that bad pick six, that fumble put them right
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: in scoring position. You could have been down. And who
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: knows how the game unfolds. I assume it still turns
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: out in seahawks favor, but who knows.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you're right, Buck. You know, sometimes the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: quarterback he is not his fault. I mean, you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 9: he gets hit from behind, the ball gets stripped out.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: That stuff happens. If you play the position, that stuff happens.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 9: I think in Sam's case, you asked me if I'm concerned,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: I'm rather than not concerned. I think he does too
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: many good things. But there are times I think when
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: he you know, live for another day, you're in trouble.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 9: You're getting squeezed. Put the ball away, put the ball away,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: take the sack off you go. You know, you don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: fumbl the ball. I think sometimes he's in an effort
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: to make plays, which is an admirable thing, you know,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: but an effort to make plays. Sometimes not always, Sometimes
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: it allows the opponent to maybe get closer to him
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: than and get get the turnover.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 13: Mike, I feel like all fumbles are not the same.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 13: And and let's just think of it in three categories,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 13: or all think of it in three categories, and you
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: tell me if I'm missing something. So let's let's say
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: a running back. A running back has got to run
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: once he gets that ball. He's got to run with
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 13: five points of pressure right high and tight. You know,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: his chest, his bicep, forearm, and then the thumb side
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: and the and the and the pinky, you know, the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 13: two sides of his hand, five points of pressure.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 9: And if he fumbles, which is.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: Going to happen, there's never gonna be a running back
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 13: that's going to go his whole career or rarely without
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 13: a fumble. But you don't want that to happen very often.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: But we have a certain standard for how he holds
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 13: the ball.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: Uh that then you.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 13: Have a quarterback in the pocket who has not yet
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: begun to throw. He's got both hands on the ball,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: he's looking obviously down the field. He's not going to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 13: have that balls as secured as a running back would
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: and then the third type would be the quarterback is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 13: in the process of throwing, his hands have separated, only
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 13: his right hand is on the ball, and if he
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 13: gets hit from behind that that ball is going to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 13: come out very easily. Yesterday Sam Darnold had two fumbles
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 13: that were in the middle category. He wasn't yet throwing,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: he would have both hands on the ball. So we have,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 13: at least as I've been coached, and I'm sure you coach,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 13: you know, like, hey, two hands on the ball. Let's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 13: let's uh, there is a little bit of a higher
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 13: standard for a quarterback's fumble in that regard what we
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: saw yesterday.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's fair. I absolutely think it's fair.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: And that's that's the one thing you would talk to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: him about those types of things, and also set up drills.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: You know, if you're seeing it, if you're seeing it
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: happen more than you think it should on that type
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: of fumble, then set up drills where you okay, let's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: just emphasize this a little bit. How you feel about this,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: you're banging it, you know, those drills you and so
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: you know, he then all of a sudden in his mind,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: you know, when it comes to that situation, he's a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: little bit more programmed, you know, to handle the ball properly.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: I think if somebody that's not watching this team play,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: and there are a lot of people that are commenting
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: on the Seahawks during the game, during the course of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: the week, and they look up, Okay, what do I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: need to know about the Seahawks, and Okay, they do
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: this really well, statistics say, and then these statistics and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: they will circle the turnover thing, and certainly you want
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: to clean it up. But I like what Greg Olsen
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: said about it last night. It's like, yes, you want
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: to fix your turnover issue, you have too many turnovers
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: this year, But I don't want it to take away
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: from the team's aggression, which has been part of their
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: success so far this year. I feel that's the way
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald feels about his own team. I don't think
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: he feels like he has a turnover issue right now,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: even though a stat sheet might suggest that the team does.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's a good point, Chuck, I really do.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: I think, however, you know that in this business, and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: you can go and look at most games during the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: week on most teams, that the game can be decided
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: and often is by the turnover thing. It is so,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: but they've overcome that and it has not been a
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: problem at their nine to three and they're leading the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: division and I think they're going to be there, but
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: they have to You're right, people kind of overdo that
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: just a little bit. It has not black and white. No.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: The only time. The thing they they refer to the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: Ram game. That's the thing that kind of sits in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: their mind because he had the four picks. It was
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: a close game and that was kind of the deciding
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: factor in that game. I think we all agree to that,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: but generally speaking, it hasn't even though the ball has
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: been on the ground a little bit, it hasn't hurt
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 9: him too much this year.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 13: Well, and he has said, we all know Sam Donald
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 13: lost that Ram game, and that's just the nature of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 13: playing that position, Mike, right, is that if you play
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 13: that poorly those turnovers, you're going to say the quarterback
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 13: lost the game. Sam Donald certainly says that. But you know,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 13: now what I'm what I'm about to say is not
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 13: up to date from this weekend. This is Friday. Going
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 13: into the weekend, Sam Donald was on a pace the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 13: turnover worthy plays. As judged by Pro Football Focus, he
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 13: was on a pace for eighteen and a half Pat
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 13: Mahomes because he had twelve Pat Mahomes had sixteen. He
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 13: was on a pace for twenty five. In Pat Mahomes's career,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 13: he has had the following fifteen twenty one, eighteen twenty two,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 13: fourteen twenty two, an average of nineteen point nine. Let's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 13: round nineteen nine to twenty. He's averaged twenty turnover worthy
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 13: plays per season. This is judged to be the best
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 13: quarterback of an entire generation, maybe all time, and he
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 13: averages twenty a year. Sam Donald was on a pace
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 13: for eighteen and a half. So and Donald was number
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 13: one in big time throws and break big time throw rate.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 13: So somewhere, Mike might hell, I don't have to quote
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 13: these guys. You had Brett Farber's a three time MVP
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 13: who threw his share of interceptions, but he gave you
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 13: so dog on many big plays and those you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 13: ripping balls in the red zone into seams that nobody
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 13: else can throw to to get touchdowns for you just
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 13: talk to us and amplify your thoughts on Hey, I've
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 13: got a guy, Yes, I wish he had fewer turnovers,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: but by golly, he's producing a lot of big plays.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 13: I don't want to neuter that out of him. Where
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 13: do you find that balance where you feel like it's okay? Well,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 13: first of all, I want to say it was fake news.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 13: Brett Favre did not turn the ball over, He did
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 13: not throw interceptions, and I coached him out of that.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: Damn, maybe you did.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: That is true. I think I'm getting older and I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: forget some of that stuff, you know, But no, you're
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 9: you guys are right. I mean, you you got a
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: star quarterback, or you get a guy who can really
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: play and win games for you. Then and then, but
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: then the turnovers take place. What you have to prevent
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: or try to prevent, or try and coach are the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: are the poor decisions, really poor decisions, you know, and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: that lead to turnovers? And Brett, certainly, I'll use Bretta
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: as example. Early in his career, you know, he would
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: take chances and do crazy stuff, stuff I hadn't seen before,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: you know. And then a little like a little like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: that first interception last night yesterday, you know, trying to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: get what are you doing about the ball? Why did
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: you talk about the vikings? Quarterback. Vikings quarterback, Why did
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: you do that?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: You didn't coach that ever? On the side arm falling down,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: I have an interception on the double coverage.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: I prefer the underhand when he's got one knee on
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: the ground. But no, I saw it all and you
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: you're right, don't take that away. Don't take the explosive,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: great play away from him. But in Bret's case, I'll
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 9: use him again as e Apple. All of a sudden
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: he reached a point where that didn't happen quite so
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: much anymore. He understood, and he was willing to curb
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: some of his enthusiasm, as the saying goes. And then,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: of course, then I came to Seattle, and then I
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: didn't have him. I tell Mike Sherman and the guys
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: that had bread afterwards, I said, I went through the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: growing pains with him. You had the good stuff, you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: know so, But I think, quarterback, you know you know
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: this better anybody. You learn that stuff, and you mature,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 9: and you Joe Montana in my last year with him,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: you know, he had one of the great seasons he'd
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 9: ever had, and he was he had a lot of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: great seasons, and it was so different because he rarely,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: rarely took good chance and made a poor decision. But
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 9: of course he played a long time and he's a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: special player. But heck, mahomes. We'd all like to you know,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: everyone like to have mahomes. Yeah, you know. And so
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 9: I think Sam's a good player, and I think I'll
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: take what he's doing this year for sure.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, yesterday they were talking on the broadcast how
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: no of the team is committing to the run or
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: I don't don't think that's the way that they said it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: But they're handing the ball off more than most teams are.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: All the other teams are out there, and then they're
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: taking shots over the top. So to me, it would
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: just seem like that's the recipe that they want to have,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: is we're going to hand the ball, make you respect
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: the run, and then we're gonna take shots downfield. That
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: means that there's gonna be chances, there's gonna be times
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: that you get to our quarterback it turns into a fumble.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: There's gonna be times when they're trying to make big
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: explosive plays that you end up picking balls off. So
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: if that recipe is what your recipe would be you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: like that whole thing, because they also took away those
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: big player yesterday. But at the same time, I don't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: know if that's that they took it away. Did it
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: look to you like they took the Jackson Smith and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: Jigba for example, out of the equation or was it
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: the score once they started realizing we're up, you know,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: thirteen points. We're not going to give up thirteen points
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: to this team, and so we're not going to try
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: to do those big plays anymore. That's that's the question
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: of the day.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: I I and then you know, I gave you that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: assignment over the weekend m H and Jackson's Smith and Jigmut.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: I was thinking during the game, you know what, I
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: don't know exactly what they're doing in the secondary or
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: how they're doing this, but he's not getting the ball
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: and that's the first time, that's the first time all year.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: So what were they doing differently? And I think maybe
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: maybe some of that factored in buck that they they said,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: there's no way this team can score points on us,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: or enough points, and we're going to just tone it
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: down a little bit. Maybe they did that, but both
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: Charbone and Walker I think contributed a lot. Neither team
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: passed the ball very well. You know, they had the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: yardage there. Passing was was not good for either team,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: you know, and so uh it was. It was a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: crazy game with the penalties and and the and the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: you know, the turnovers. It just wasn't that much fun
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: to I'm happy for the Seahawks, but it was different.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 13: Now, Mike, you did give me the homework assignment I got.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 13: I've got some dat.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: No if you if you couldn't get it done, don't
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: be like my when I told when I told my
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: chemistry teacher in high school, I did, but I left
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: my thing at home.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm looking right at it.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: You know I didn't delegate it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 13: No, this is this is just me, uh looking at
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: the coach's tape of of all the plays, and I'm
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 13: gonna now, I'm gonna go back and and add the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 13: passer rating.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 13: I was traveling for the holidays. I was in Florida.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 13: My son was was a senior senior.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: Game for the Gators.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 13: I was at the Florida Florida State game and traveling,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: so I didn't meet my own standards. But right now,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 13: free access for JSN he gets free access forty four
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: percent of the time. Mike rolled covers twenty seven percent
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 13: time press so that it's man but uh, no safety
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: over the top, but no no free access. You know,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: obviously he's got to get off the bump and run
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 13: guys twenty nine percent of the times.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: I'll give you more.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 13: Detail, but there's almost half the time he's getting free access.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 13: Yesterday specifically, yeah, they rolled on him. But you know what,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 13: there was a couple occasions where they they actually rolled
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 13: on Cooper Cup just because of formation and the field
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 13: and boundary and what have you, and they had free
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 13: access to JSN.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: There was a time.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 13: Where where I think McDonald Sam Darnold has been good
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 13: this year at using his eyes. So Mike, the the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 13: Vikings had a ton of zone blitzes where they they're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 13: playing three deep on his zone zone blitz and sometimes
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 13: even two under they're playing quarter quarter half with his
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 13: zone blitz, rushing five and playing uh with just six
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 13: and a lot of times they would squeeze to j
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 13: s N and and and But I didn't think Donald
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 13: used his eyes as well because I felt like he
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 13: felt like the uh, the uh, his time clock was
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 13: going off. There was a time, for example, where where
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 13: he could have waited on jas N on an intermediate
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 13: inbreaking route, but he in weeks past he's done that
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 13: with his eyes, just manipulate that shallow defender and then
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 13: throw in behind him.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: He didn't do that.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: As we said, there was times where you know, on
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 13: a double on a lion mic on double slant, uh,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 13: he should have gone to j s N. So I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 13: think I think there's I got three or four minuses
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 13: on on Sam Darnold on where he chose to go
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 13: with the ball and a couple of those involved js N.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: You know, it kind of goes back to what we
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: were talking about before, maybe that he's in that game.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: Sam's in that game, and he's just everyone watching the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: game or feeling on the field. They're not going to
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: score very much, if at all. So I'm not going
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 9: to screw this up. I'm I'm gonna approach it. Maybe
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: a little bit different, uh, you know than some of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 9: the some of the other games. I don't know that,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: but that could have been part of it, you know,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: because he has been good with his eyes and his
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 9: decision making most of the time. Four minuses that's not good.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: That's not good.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: No, I mean it depends on I mean, not double minuses.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 13: It just when I when I have a minus there,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 13: I'm saying, if if I can envision myself in that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 13: quarterback coaching room, Mike Holmgan or or whoever's the quarterback coach,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 13: he would say, Okay, did we throw it to the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 13: right guy? And I've got I got three, And then
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 13: you could debate the four three where I thought the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 13: ball should have gone somewhere else based on the read.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Well, it probably didn't help that he was wearing Dallas
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: Turner like a petticoat and Jonathan Grenard like a chess plate.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:20:22
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• 1:20:27
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  Speaker 10: See enough to Seattle, Second and six for the Seahawks,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: sharpening again over the left side, breaks the tackle, get
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 10: up three touchdown, first one of the day.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: For the Seahawks offense. Uh yeah, one touchdown for the offense.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: Even though it was a bit of a laughter of
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: a game, it felt decided early on twenty.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Six to nothing the final score.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: Certainly some accolades still to throw out about the defensive performance,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: but we really didn't sink our teeth into the pass protection. Coach,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: I felt like that was the worst Sam Darnold has
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: been protected by far this year, and Anthony Bradford continues
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: to struggle. Should Mike McDonald be alarmed by this.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: Or do you give credit to the Vikings defense?
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 9: No, I think the Vikings did a nice job that way,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 9: and they did pressure, but certainly you have to be alarmed,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: not alarmed, but you have to if it has to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 9: be addressed, has to be addressed, absolutely, and it's if
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: they want to go all the way, which I think
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: they have a chance to go all the way, then
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: that's an area that teams now will watch look at
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: that game and to come away from that, they were
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: able to pressure early on in particular, well the whole
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: game actually they put pretty pressure. And then as Bucky
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: pointed out earlier, then the Seahawks went to running the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: ball more in the second half, and because the game
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 9: was essentially over, but no, you got you have got
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: to address that. You know, they've had a couple of
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: injuries in there. I don't know if that's affected play,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: but the farther you get along and closer to the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: playoffs and the super Bowl and so on, it's something
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: you have to look at.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: Mike count when you encountered teams like that that like
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 13: to put everybody up at the line of scrimmage, you know,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 13: they played a lot of three four and so they've
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 13: got linebackers, you know, seven across the boards, defensive line
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 13: and linebackers. Any and any of those linebackers can pop
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 13: out threaten the rush. That whole idea of mugging up.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 13: What was your favorite remedy for teams that like to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 13: do that When they're playing the zone behind it, but
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 13: they're showing pre snap everybody at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 13: you don't quite know who's coming.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: Well, I think you got to get the ball out
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: of your hand quickly because that area between the linebackers
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: and like you said, the secondary who are playing a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: little bit deeper, Okay, there's more room there and so play.
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  Speaker 9: The other thing is play action pass. If those linebackers
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  Speaker 9: are mugging and then getting into pass coverage at some
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  Speaker 9: point trying to fake you out, but you run like
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  Speaker 9: a running running play right at them. They're they're a
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  Speaker 9: little bit stuck in that area. Now there's again room
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  Speaker 9: behind them to throw the ball. So you know it's
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  Speaker 9: but it's it's a challenge, I mean for the for
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  Speaker 9: the quarterback and for the offensive cause it's you got
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  Speaker 9: to make sure your inside is covered and if anyone's
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  Speaker 9: going to be unblocked, it's going to be the outside guy.
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  Speaker 9: Your back has to understand if he's got pass protection,
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  Speaker 9: pickup how he asked to go from one to two,
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  Speaker 9: those types of things. And yesterday, Uh, the rushers, they
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  Speaker 9: they couldn't they couldn't handle the number fifty five for Minnesota. Grenard. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: he was. He was pretty impressive to me, and they
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  Speaker 9: had a tough time blocking him.
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  Speaker 5: Or maybe that was Wilson. Wilson Wilson, Yeah, he had
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  Speaker 5: four tackles lost. Yeah, Wilson had a big game.
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  Speaker 6: Well I'm not sure if that's who it was, but
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  Speaker 6: he probably was one of the guys that was going by.
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  Speaker 6: Anthony Bradford. I love listening to you. When I get
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: to talk to you a couple times a week and Hugh,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: you guys break stuff down and you'll get me to
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: start looking at different things. And yet when I just
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: watch a game, there's there's some things that I'm like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 6: I can't wait to hear what coach and Hugh have
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  Speaker 6: to say about that. There's one thing that I think
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  Speaker 6: anybody can see, and that's Bradford. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 6: know for sure what you would say to a guy
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  Speaker 6: like that, or if it just is an indictment on
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  Speaker 6: who is behind him, because this has been your starter
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  Speaker 6: all year. I mean, they're trying to pull him and
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  Speaker 6: he runs to the end of the line and just
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  Speaker 6: doesn't even go after the guy that he's supposed to block.
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  Speaker 6: I assume or people are the pass rushing and he
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  Speaker 6: had one where like a guy went on this side
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  Speaker 6: of him and another guy went on this side, and like, well,
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  Speaker 6: can you just block one of them? We don't need
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: to a block bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Can you just do it?
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  Speaker 6: And it's like he was trying to block some imaginary
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: person that was in front of him. Are you seeing
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  Speaker 6: the same thing as far as his play goes, or
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  Speaker 6: am I just imagining?
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  Speaker 9: No, No, you're not imagining it. And the thing that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: the thing that I think everybody noticed in the game
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 9: we're watching on TV uh is that when he was
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: pulling from his right to his left and they were
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: bringing an outside guy to that side, that's who he
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: was supposed to block. And the guy's right there if
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  Speaker 9: I'm pulling, and there shouldn't be any confusion here he comes,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: that's the guy, and he somehow, somehow he looked in it.
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  Speaker 9: Just you go, well, that can't happen, you know. And
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  Speaker 9: so and so they've had look at they've got. They've
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: been competing, you know. You hear that all the time.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: We compete all the time. Well, they've had since training camp,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: they've that position has been a competition, I think, you know.
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  Speaker 9: And so you know, if someone is healthy and ready
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  Speaker 9: to play, give him a chance. Give him a chance,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 9: because you are going to be graded, you know, on
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 9: on how you did in the game. If your grade
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: is too low or it's not sufficient, then you know
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: there's a chance you make the change. You don't want
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: to do that. You want to keep your guys together,
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  Speaker 9: but if all of a sudden, if it's happening too much, no,
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  Speaker 9: absolutely you make a change.
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  Speaker 5: What's the old joke. If you're seeing double vision, hit
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: the guy in the middle, Yeah, just hit one of them. Yeah. Please,
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  Speaker 5: let's I mean, let's talk a little bit about the defense.
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  Speaker 4: Feel like we maybe we should hand out a little
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: bit of flowers here.
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  Speaker 5: And I would ask you both this question because I
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: think that when we watched the game, just as you
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: know football fans, that you see Ernest Jones fill up
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: the stat sheet and you see DeMarcus Lawrence make the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: highlight plays yesterday. But there's got to be something to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: how you keep Justin Jefferson to two catches and four
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: yards on six targets during the course of the game. So,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: either through Hughes advanced film study, or just whatever popped
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: out to you, coach about who really did kind of
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: stand out on that defensive side of the ball. Maybe
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: it was Jones, maybe it was Lawrence, or maybe somebody
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: else was the guy responsible for such a great defensive game.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll let you comment on this. I'll just say
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 9: that that they are They're getting a lot of activity
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 9: from their four pass rushers the four defensive lineman and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 9: when you can do that, then you can really fool
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 9: around behind them and do a bunch of stuff, and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 9: and they're they're good. And that's a credit to Mike
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 9: and his defenses and what he's doing. But there are
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: not a lot of teams. I don't think they can
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 9: apply that type of pressure with four people. Yeah, and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: then when they bring another one or they mix it
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 9: up a little bit, they almost always get home against it.
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  Speaker 9: And then then then then you get the poor young
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  Speaker 9: core back.
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  Speaker 4: You know it just.
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  Speaker 9: What a game, What a game to break in, what
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: a team to break in against. Yeah, and it was
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 9: not going to happen. It was not going to be good.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: It looked like a.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: Port chopping a lion's day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, uh, you know, Mike, there was a few
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 13: occasions where their role to justin Jefferson. I think one
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 13: of the things chuck and answer your question might and
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  Speaker 13: Mike certainly knows this. When you press and that's a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 13: term bump and run, it's man and man. If you
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 13: if you press a receiver a lot of the the playbook,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 13: it translates to a fade. A hits route will translate
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 13: to a fade, A quick out route will translate to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 13: a skinny post. A twelve yard out route in some cases,
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  Speaker 13: depending on the split, will will convert to a to
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 13: a fade route.
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  Speaker 6: So you the.
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  Speaker 13: Combination of when you just press a guy and you
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 13: take way the quick game Mic. Right then when you're
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 13: having the pass rush that that the Seahawks were producing,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 13: that can really be a big problem. And then I
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 13: lauded Josh Uh Josh Job on that interception that that
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 13: Ernest Jones had, Mike, it was it was justin. Jefferson
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 13: was the X. It was an X in speed cut,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 13: not not a square in, but a speed in. And
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 13: it was cover three. Corner was off single high guys
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 13: uh and and and Josh Job was on the outside
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 13: shoulder because of the split and and where the balls
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 13: on the near half Mic, But I thought Josh Job
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 13: had a textbook, clinic tape drive on the football, get
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 13: his hand up, pop the ball in the air. Ernest
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  Speaker 13: Jones gets the interception. That's got to be on paper
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 13: as hard a duty as there is in for a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 13: cornerback in the NFL that man on that type of
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 13: route in that coverage. Uh, it was not cover three,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 13: it was it was cover one. And Uh lurk with
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 13: with Jones as the as the shallow hole player, Mike,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 13: that was a hell of play by Joe.
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  Speaker 9: You know what it was, and uh, you give credit
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 9: where credit is due. Excuse me the But I will
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 9: say this if if I have Jefferson, you know, and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 9: I have a privilege to coach Jerry Rice and some
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 9: of these guys, there is no way, there is no
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 9: way I'm gonna quit if they hold my guy, that
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 9: guy to what you say, chuck to catch your yards
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 9: that you know. And then I was critical of Jefferson
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 9: and his affect on the sidelines when he come over
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 9: and sit on the on the on the bench and stuff.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: But I guess now that we're talking about it, I
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: kind of feel I kind of feel for him because
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 9: here's the acknowledge one of the finest receivers in the league,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: and it's inexcusable that they didn't have something they could
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 9: pop him a little bit and get him some catches.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 9: I just think that I blame the offensive. I blame
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 9: the offense on that well.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know how much time you guys spent
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: on this last week, but he also had to experience
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: the looking across the sideline and seeing the quarterback he
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: had last year, I know, playing for another team. I mean,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: they could have franchise tag Sam Donald last year and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: kept him around just to see if JJ McCarthy needed
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: another year or so, and they decided not to do that.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: Well, you know what I did yesterday, and shame on
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 9: me for doing this, and if you want to kick
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: me out, I will.
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  Speaker 1: I'll leave.
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  Speaker 9: When I saw that, and I'm thinking, Okay, they had
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 9: Daniel Jones and Sam Donald and they decided to do
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: what they did, I'm going, Okay, who's making that decision?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: So I looked up the Minnesota you know, front office
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 9: and their general manager. I don't know him. He had
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 9: been with the forty nine ers for a while, but
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: then I look at his strengths. You know what his
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 9: numbers one strength is and he's an expert at this analytics.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: As soon as I saw that, I threw my paper
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: in the air, turned off my computer. Okay, it's like
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 9: Hugh and the officials. It's like Hugh and the officials
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: and analytics, analytics.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: Ye, he's an analytic herder, all right.
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  Speaker 5: One last segment with coaching Hugh as we wrap up
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