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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of Demons of the Punjab · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  A hamster with a blunt penknife a doctor who commentary podcast
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  with me. Dillon and Amy Jo.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Fancy seeing you here again, I loved you.
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  I'm where all the time, honestly was trying to get rid of me.
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  I don't know how you doing. I'm very well.
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  Thank you very well. Very excited about what we're
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  going to cover today. After being in the heart.
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  And the Lira, last time we spoke now.
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  We're right at, right up the other end.
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  Interesting. Place to be not, not a terrible
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  place for all of us. I have to tell you that.
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  I not only had some really nice, social media comments about dark
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  invasion of Earth, commentary by had a load of private messages
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  as well from people people that this male, no, not no, not at
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  all. And I had a lovely message from
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  Toby hey do because Well saying how much he was enjoying it.
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  So delightful. Hello, Toby, you went down a
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  tree. You did.
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  That's Toby always says I do Eastern seven episodes tolerance
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  own button for punishment. Oh I love that.
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  Yeah I just I'm not I'm not a huge poetry fan.
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  I have a love-hate relationship with the era but which is why
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  we're not doing a perfect story today.
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  Honestly, don't you be coming on this podcast?
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  Right? And praising Jody risk, that's
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  at a high heaven, John Pertwee era is terrible about pile that
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  you get a, your life is gonna be through the roof.
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  Very true. You know what I do?
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  There's lots of it. I like, but I just, I don't know
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  the something about it. That doesn't always work for me.
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  I kind of have on and off periods with it.
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  Like sometimes I'm like, ah, I need a bit of Jumper in the unit
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  famine other times, I'm like, oh God, this is all very long and
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  he's an asshole and but you know, you know I love about
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  About it. I love those long, dreary sick,
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  sparse set on other planets like colony in space.
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  Oh, me too. You know why?
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  It's because I can just sort of lose myself, somewhere else that
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  saw the Sunday afternoon, you know, for three hours after
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  exaggerations Dallas. Looking planet in the universe,
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  I must I must tell you that when Jodie Whittaker, Sera started,
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  there were the night that the woman who fell to Earth was
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  going to be on. I was quite hungover, but also
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  very excitable. And I just didn't know what to
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  do to pass the time. So I watched the ambassador's of
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  death and then Inferno back to the back and then by the time
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  they were done, it was time to watch the woman who fell to
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  Earth. You wash 14, episodes of Doctor
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  Who back to back. Yeah, I know.
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  It was fucking ridiculous. Really.
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  But rather stab, you know that much about the planet
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  exhilaration. I've got guests coming at the
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  weekend from across the pond and he's I want to visit Doctor Who
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  locations. I've said, I know, This
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  fabulous, Clay Pit. We could go to imagine evidence
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  selfie. There are on the planet exists
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  areas. Oh you could do a tour, the
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  quarries, couldn't you? Oh my god, most of them can't
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  exist. Still surely sure we'll find one
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  Exelon. Maybe the one from Destiny of
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  the Daleks definitely exists because it was in and or
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  recently was he really? Oh yeah.
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  It was about to see. Isn't it that way?
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  I don't know where it is but it's the one with the square.
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  Yeah so you can go there. Oh yeah, I could go there or I
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  could maybe just go to that quarry from hand to fear which
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  is an actual Quarry. Yeah, very true.
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  Most of them are probably has in the states that they probably
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  put a load of missing episodes in there.
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  Fill the bin. Then there's a housing estate on
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  top. I'm still waiting for the day
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  when John Levine John Levine no. Ian Levine the veins hands eyes
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  back. You know it over.
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  Do you think it's a you know what?
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  You think it's Philip Morris? I think he's eating himself to
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  such a size that you can sit on it.
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  No, no. Okay.
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  I'm gonna shut up. I'm sure he's lovely Dylan.
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  Yes, we are. Convening today's Today because
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  an era that you and I both adore.
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  I think. Yeah, I think that's fair to say
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  I really love this era is the Jody with career.
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  It's the question alera and we had a conversation off mic where
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  you said to me you don't think it's as dislikes as some people
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  would lead you to believe. No I think generally it's
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  reasonably well. Regarded within fandom.
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  I think the loudest voices are often the most negative voices
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  and they love having into a void and they love how to get anybody
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  that disagrees with them. So I think most people even if
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  they don't love it I just like yeah that's three solid series
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  of Doctor Who and I mean what more can I would say that about
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  many other areas of Doctor? Who to, I personally love it
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  quite a lot. Yeah, I duel Okay, so what is
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  it? Then that the draws you to this
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  era. So I've got to be honest with
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  you when I watched season 11, when it first went out, I
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  enjoyed it, but I didn't love it and it was because it's yeah,
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  it's this this change of pace between the mafia Tiara which is
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  quite this sort of. I think, I'd say it's very
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  testosterone-filled, the mafia and this isn't just because we
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  now have a woman in the role but it's this gag A minute, sort of
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  sex jokes and it's not all that, but it's just all very lat.
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  They just needed to have a wine before.
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  It's quite hard to write a script with one and it's true.
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  If either that a wank, everything would have been fine.
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  Everyone have got, we've got lovely chilled stories, like
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  Demons of the Punjab grass. Instead, we've got, let's kill
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  Hitler in the Time of the Doctor.
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  Possibly, our did let's give her the other day.
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  The difference in quality. As a historical story in that
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  and thing is, I mean we aren't shoving people in Cupboards in
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  this always. So, when the second series of
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  Jodie, Whittaker started, and there were bits.
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  I loved in that first season, I love.
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  But when the sentence is died, I loved spy for, and I love the
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  Dalek special beforehand, it's illusioned.
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  Yeah, wonderful, absolute Doctor Who the action movie right
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  there. And Richie that yeah oh just a
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  sidestep. I once went on a date with the
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  lady who kills unit over the phone and that she's so funny.
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  Isn't she how long's it been? Since that last happens?
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  It's your dime real life? No she's not.
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  No. But celebrity dating shall we?
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  Anyone else what? No but I tell you what.
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  So I So this is a big size step. I met her on a nap and we have
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  one day but it wasn't really to be.
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  But during my time on that app I saw Pearl Mackey no Matt Lucas
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  and in Grid, no in what's-her-name who plays
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  Osgood. Yeah, Ingrid Olive Ingrid.
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  Oliver, I saw the ball on there but I didn't match with any of
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  them. Although Matt Lucas has you with
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  the entire cast of season 10, So, what were you saying before
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  we rented the history of about my love.
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  Life is quite refreshing. Three billion apiece.
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  So What once that's that kind of second series aired, I went back
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  and started watching the first series again and loved it a lot
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  more and then when my good friends at on the time, last hit
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  the Jodie, Whittaker era. I thought I'm going to watch
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  along with them as they do each one and I just fell in love with
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  it in a way that I don't think I had before.
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  And I've said this before, probably on this podcast and
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  many others. It's just, it's retooled.
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  As a Sunday night drama. It's slower in Pace.
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  It's karma but it's just So, as gripping as the mafia tear or a
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  rusty Davis area, but in very different ways, I think the
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  character work is suddenly a lot more understated, that we had
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  studied over the mafia Sarah. So people were like, well,
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  what's this? This is all a bit naturalistic.
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  Yeah. Sunday night, you know, this is
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  all a bit Sunday night rather than Saturday night and people
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  have been used to the hysterical drama of you know, Donna Noble,
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  losing her memory or Pearl, Mackey, having a big hole blown
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  for a chest and It's their revenues long protracted scenes
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  between Ryan and his dad, which I still think is beautifully.
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  Real, well, you're coming after country file instead of Strictly
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  Come Dancing. That's it.
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  That's a whole shift in kind of what the, you know, the the
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  lineup you're fitting into and I think, you know, I think in the
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  Moffett era especially when Russell, when what's named Peter
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  Capaldi all over the place today and again, this was on the time,
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  that's the first bought this up. They said, which I agree with
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  that. That they suddenly trying to
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  pitch Doctor Who is not the Saturday night, teatime drama,
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  but the Saturday night, big explosive drama like a Luthor or
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  something for that first season, the Capaldi.
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  So I think we talked a lot about how Doctor Who can be many
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  things in different types of shows.
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  And I think this is just one version of it.
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  That worked beautifully in the time slot that it was presented
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  and I think they're statically as well.
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  It went Sunday night drama. It was suddenly sort of it was
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  very beautiful, wasn't it? And if felt big budget and was
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  being done on expensive cameras and yeah, it felt extremely
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  polished. What if I interesting is how
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  chibnall responded after each Seasons?
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  He did 11 and rating wisest. I really strong like massive
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  woman who fell to Earth was first of the week or something
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  like that. It was really, really it was it
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  got something I think he got almost as many if not more than
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  Rose got ya, it didn't this was huge then it did Hemorrhage for
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  at the end but they All do if you look at all the real do
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  generally. And, and he had gone for that
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  sort of slower pace and thank fuck.
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  You know, you was just telling stories like crazy Mafia Trant,
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  you know, I always will but Jesus Christ, Steven Moffat, you
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  know, will you just tell a fucking story rather I live in
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  500 directions every minute? You know, it was so refreshing
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  that we're having simple. Well told stories again.
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  Yeah. But I think there was a little
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  bit Backlash against that. So season 12, he like strong
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  injection of continuity but boy did great.
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  Things like continuity. He brought in are what I
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  consider to be the best new series master.
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  I think he did the best Cyberman in a shack.
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  Yeah you did. The one of the best Daleks in
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  resolution. So in terms of continuity a
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  stall three, I think. Yeah.
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  No I absolutely agree and I do think I think that second series
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  is a big exciting series. Freeze.
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  I think if there, if there are flaws and it's something that is
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  not exclusive to his era, I think it's just that thing of
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  trying to get Doctor Who regularly on air.
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  And I know that a lots of TV shows aren't around for 18
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  months to years, but it feels like for something like Doctor
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  Who it needs that consistent run to really engage with the
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  audiences because there was no hook to bring them back in a few
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  months time. It was like 18 months time,
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  here's our brand new series that's completely different.
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  I think See, Davis is the only show runner so far that's been
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  able to put the show out consistently because Mafi, even
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  those condensed, half Seasons wasn't me against his will, but
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  you were getting like five or six episodes a year and then
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  Mysterio's one in a year, wasn't it?
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  And, you know, I'm genuinely surprised that doctor who hasn't
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  didn't become 6 episodes a year like flux about five or six
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  years ago because that is six months of the year for an actor
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  to perform I'm the role who can then go off and do other things
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  so you probably get someone to stay in the role for longer and,
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  you know, they've got lead. They've got a big enough lead
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  time in between two like series to get everything ship shaped.
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  But you know, we're back to what is Eight Episodes a year next
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  year, which I think is pretty generous really?
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  Yeah. So nowadays, yeah, exactly with
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  12 as well. I feel as if it got a massive
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  shot of adrenaline, like the pace ramps into are there, False
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  stories with massive cost like practically.
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  Every story has an enormous cost as well as the Picasa regulars
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  with lows gang on lows of set pieces.
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  I can see lots of money on the screen and it's like, okay, we
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  want to prove that we're still here.
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  We can still do it and it still be amazing.
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  And then I think what happened in the last season.
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  I know it was like a result of the pandemic and it was supposed
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  to be a longer year and it had to be condensed, but I think
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  that worked to chimel. Things to suddenly bringing his
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  Broadchurch chops and do this like, inst season.
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  And they've biggest difference, I found with a the last series
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  I'm going to include evil of the Daleks and legends of the sea
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  devil. Empower, the doctrine, is this
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  massive injection of humor? Yes, fucking funny flux.
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  It's so funny. I almost feel like John Bishop
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  was given the scripture reading saying, you know, this ain't
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  very funny, you know? I also think it's about that
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  they've been doing it for several years and they know that
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  like, chibnall knows the strengths of the characters and
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  things like that and Jody is funny.
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  Funny, doctor or is she? I mean, that's a where she's
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  going release without more than bit working Eva.
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  The Daleks and makes me dies when she's on the sofa and the
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  darling comes in. And it's like Daleks have no
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  concept of friendship and she's like, yeah well whose faults
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  that? Yeah.
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  Brilliant. Okay.
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  All right. I'm sorry.
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  I should focus as a little back to Demons of the Punjab.
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  I'll tell you in a minute, why this one means so much to me.
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  But what do you think about this one?
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  So when it first broadcast, I thought it was sweet but again,
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  I was still in that mindset of. This isn't quite how I like my
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  doctor who, but every time I've gone back to it I've just loved
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  it more and more and more. I just think it's so I think
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  it's just a beautiful bit of Telly and it deserves to win all
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  the awards. They I'd say in terms of
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  writing, in terms of production and Direction location work, and
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  music. This is one of the finest Doctor
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  Who episodes for me, and if you're allowing for a second in
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  2018, my mother was diagnosed with cancer and it was very very
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  Be quick, it was five months from diagnosis to her passing
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  and this went out. I think in mid-november and she
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  passed in mid-December just before Christmas.
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  So she was very, very sick at this point, and I had had many
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  conversations with my mom, was a one of these people that engage
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  you in conversation, you'd have conversations long into the
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  night, you know, debates. She was a spiritualist and she
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  had very strong beliefs and I don't believe in any of that.
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  To make it, I would battle it out all night.
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  So I knew she had very, very particular beliefs about the
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  afterlife and that absolutely helped.
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  When she passed, I could have understood that she was going to
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  a better place in our own mind. That really, really helped me
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  out and this episode, which is all about these creatures coming
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  in at the point of death and taking people's Souls away and
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  that sequence at the end where he He appears and then goes up
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  with all the other faces. I'm up into the air with a nice
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  beautiful music. Well I watch it, I found it so
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  profoundly moving because it was.
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  Okay. She didn't believe in alien
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  creatures that were going to come along and save her just
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  before she dies, but it was kind of playing in the same ball game
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  and I think I found this, I'm moving at the time because it
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  was just tied up with everything that's gone on with my life.
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  And there are certain Doctor Who stories that you can do that
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  with those sort of, you can put a pin in them and they're
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  important for when you first watch them and what's happening
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  in your life and this is a doctor who stories that reduces
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  me to tears pretty much every time I wash it.
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  Now I'm watching with you today. Alistair hold it for.
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  Hopefully we'll make enough knob joke so that you don't have a
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  crime but if you want if you want to cry you've have you have
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  Permission to cry. It's fine, it's interesting.
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  You say that because I didn't there's another fan and I won't
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  name them. Just in case.
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  They don't want to be named who for the hell bent, and
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  heaven-sent talks about dealing with grief in a very different
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  way. But he lost his mom, a few years
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  before and he said that perfectly encapsulated how he
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  felt about the grief of his mother passing through those two
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  episodes, which I thought was really lovely.
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  I never thought I'd ever seen a doctor who couldn't Move me to
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  tears like this because I'm a bit of a hard.
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  I'm a big soft him, a bit of a hard bugger when it comes to
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  television and it has to be truly Heroes Buffy.
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  I've never seen blow, okay? So, Joyce, Summers dies in that,
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  as if I was a boy. - yes. So I'm not gonna like that one.
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  Yeah, and this think that last 10 minutes of this dramatic, Is
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  some of the best ever Doctor Who and the way it a lot of series
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  11 reminds me of series 1 and 2 of the classes, the three
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  companions, the the very serious historical stories like the
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  Crusade and things like that and Massacre.
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  It really, I really feel like they're leaning into that here
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  and it's a massive strength because the historical have
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  become a bit of a joke. Yeah, I have this thing and
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  Colonel said that you felt it. The that he purposely went back
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  to the beginning and the roots of the show and I have the
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  celebrity historicals of never really worked for me.
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  I love a Hartnell historical from back in the day, but
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  celebrity historic was not so much and this is the first era
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  where I felt, okay, I'm engaged with the historic was in a way
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  that wasn't before not so much Nikola Tesla's night of Terror
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  but you know the there's nothing particularly wrong with it, but
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  that's the sort of Deputy historical.
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  I just don't really care for that much.
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  It's fine. I will watch it.
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  But you know, this and Rosa were really just like, okay, wow,
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  we're really in New Territory for a show here and for nearly
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  six year old show to be pushing new ground.
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  Like, I mean, it's a miracle, isn't it?
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  Yeah, I, you know I mean I know we get the morbius doctors the
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  next season and everybody calls that like a big, throw back to
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  the past. And I go, what's Doctor Who's
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  eating jumping the shark eating it?
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  It's own continuity bins, like it's still doing new things.
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  And even in that season like things, like, can you hear me?
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  And perhaps he is. I know people a lot people don't
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  practice, but I love both those stories.
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  I just think that's that thin thin, you and different and
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  doing things not clear. I wasn't done before.
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  Sheila, I'm gonna do a commentary on.
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  Can you hear me with Luke Malloy?
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  And you know why? Why is he never watched it?
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  It's the only episode daughter is never watched.
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  So I'm determined to make him. Watch it.
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  Well, that's exciting to hear about him is first.
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  Appearance of the big Wiggly fingers.
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  Oh yeah. Oh that's ghoulish.
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  Oh yeah. Didn't I should wake up in your
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  bed and saying that in the Moonlight?
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  I've woken up makes the worse. Yeah.
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  Me too. Yeah, we're in no trouble.
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  So pasta longer to board. This story is full of hot Indian
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  men. Oh, that is very true.
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  That a conniption fit. The first time I watched it.
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  Okay. Well, okay.
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  Well, should we go and watch the thing?
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  So yeah, let's let's do it. Yeah, we basically determine
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  that. We just love this era.
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  We love this episode. Let's go when you and will Press
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  Play in 3, 2, 1. Hello, Joe.
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  Even having the sound on even having the 50 minute episodes
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  film or Sunday night and Saturday.
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  Nice, it does. I've got to say straight away.
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  I fucking love this. Pintu.
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  I just think it's weird and glorious and it's again, it's
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  very 60s. It's like, it sounds weird.
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  And alien the one thing that always annoys me is that they
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  don't fly through the oh, Doctor Who I don't know what particular
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  complaint of a doctor who fan. Yeah.
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  Exactly. Nobody else was watching this
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  and going really puddle of the Jodi was but you know I really
• 22:48
  love it. So the bit where it goes.
• 22:51
  That, where the middle of this woman who plays yazis Mom.
• 22:56
  I don't know what her name is. Oh, she's fabulous.
• 23:00
  I just I love like we're in Sheffield for a start, you know,
• 23:04
  it's not it's not London. And we've got ruin with an
• 23:08
  Indian family in in Sheffield and it's just like, oh this is,
• 23:13
  this is New Territory for dr. Hill a little bit.
• 23:17
  It's really just like talking about their Heritage because
• 23:21
  this are come from Birmingham and the lots of Indian and
• 23:24
  Pakistani families and things like that.
• 23:26
  And they, you know, you go to their houses and be surrounded
• 23:30
  by that history and that culture, but you don't
• 23:32
  necessarily see represented in Doctor Who my my best mate.
• 23:35
  When I was growing up was Indian and boy a boy.
• 23:38
  I'll blame his mother, you know, for my absolute love because she
• 23:43
  just made those delicious food ever until honestly is super
• 23:46
  hot. I talk home wherever you are.
• 23:48
  You all right? But I think it's a very
• 23:53
  believable week. We've lent back into the
• 23:54
  families again and I'm we don't see another one, which is a
• 23:57
  shame. We see a bit of a minute alone.
• 23:59
  We let him go a bit. It's a shame.
• 24:01
  I've really feel like I always said that the thing that the
• 24:05
  Battle of rounds core of color switch to be is probably the
• 24:08
  only real clunker of the era. It was missing that human
• 24:13
  element, especially when Earth was under The threat and I feel
• 24:17
  like if you cut back to the cons and you cut back to, I don't
• 24:20
  know, just more human characters.
• 24:22
  So you would have felt like it would have felt more cohesive.
• 24:26
  I think it's scrap, their bloody script and write a script about
• 24:29
  the cons. But if you care of the doctors
• 24:31
  in it, let's just have a and a bit more time because the woman,
• 24:34
  the woman from dinner ladies, what's her name?
• 24:37
  You know, and actresses. I don't know why I named that
• 24:39
  all. She is brilliant as well.
• 24:42
  I love, I mean, I think arachnids in the UK is an
• 24:45
  underrated classic. Okay, so much fun, but he's
• 24:49
  brilliant at that way, she thinks he's supposed to yes.
• 24:51
  Who are you dating Ryan? He dating the doctor, my, my
• 24:54
  friend's mother. She was a very typical Indian
• 24:58
  mother and that's she was absolutely obsessed with her son
• 25:01
  was dating. And that, well honestly, it was
• 25:05
  wonderful. And Joe, I talk about my family
• 25:08
  too much in this because you know there are rotten Bunch but
• 25:12
  when she says you know, your for my favorite granddaughter, ER my
• 25:16
  nan used to do that and I was the favorite.
• 25:19
  No ice lucky you lucky you. How do you feel about this
• 25:24
  Tardis interior because much has been said about it?
• 25:27
  What a marvelous giant penises around the console unusual
• 25:38
  things liking in? Can you hear me when it all goes
• 25:40
  blue or when it all goes raids? Yeah.
• 25:44
  I think I've got no got sorry after you.
• 25:47
  How do you British? I think it gets better and
• 25:52
  better throughout the series. I love the walls.
• 25:54
  I love the fact that it doesn't look like they're solid solid
• 25:57
  walls that like behind that could go on forever.
• 26:00
  By the Tardis. Should I'm less fussed about the
• 26:05
  it's not even the the big dildo in the middle.
• 26:08
  It's the ones when you see Moving and it's the littlest
• 26:12
  ones at the top that they happened down there just a bit
• 26:14
  too much for me. It's like a ton of Sammy's going
• 26:17
  up there. You see that console when it was
• 26:23
  released as a toy? Oh God.
• 26:27
  I ordered that straight away. Yeah, I know I was gonna say I
• 26:30
  don't know where my fingers around it or put it in me.
• 26:32
  It was just I think it's que le securely well-lit in this is
• 26:36
  Mark tonderai that directs this. You know what I think.
• 26:40
  And he's coming back. So Russell looking over his
• 26:43
  shoulder and change writer to Lele is as well, and Cherry
• 26:46
  course, the best directors that have been, you know, working on
• 26:51
  a shows that using that's good. I'm less.
• 26:53
  So, with classic Doctor Who I've got more facts and figures that
• 26:56
  have just been ingrained in my mind over the years.
• 26:59
  So, doing new series stuff, it's definitely more about my
• 27:01
  enjoyment. I'm less likely to know who's in
• 27:04
  it, or whose director this architecture.
• 27:06
  You every writer and director of The Rusty, Davis stories, but
• 27:09
  beyond that, I Do it. And yeah, I think I've probably
• 27:12
  just about do the rods to Davis era.
• 27:15
  Do you know where this is filmed?
• 27:17
  Wherever? Leave with Croatia is stunning.
• 27:21
  Yeah, it's gorgeous. There's a shot later on.
• 27:25
  We're in the climax where they're running for a field of
• 27:28
  poppies. Yeah, I remember saying out loud
• 27:31
  that I don't who has never been this beautiful.
• 27:34
  Yeah and so we come on doing these visuals so a lot of its
• 27:38
  Croatia. There are some shots It's later
• 27:40
  on but are clearly Cardiff in the rain.
• 27:42
  But and they said on the commentary for the DVD, they do
• 27:46
  say, yeah, we did have to do some of it in Cardiff because
• 27:49
  there are in Croatia for what saw was this story, and did they
• 27:56
  go? They went to South Africa for
• 27:57
  Rosa and for one Yuan goes monuments as well and it just
• 28:03
  makes sense. Like I think the fact that the
• 28:06
  doctor always does a bit of overseas filming but I I feel
• 28:10
  like this are really more than ever went 10.
• 28:13
  What where can we get to? And what production value?
• 28:16
  We going to get out of it and they really grab hold of it.
• 28:19
  Even when they couldn't go overseas, they were like, well,
• 28:21
  we're still not sticking to England.
• 28:23
  So spy after clearly they're going overseas, but they're all
• 28:26
  around the world and that pre-title sequence.
• 28:28
  Yeah, just a lot chibnall with his round-the-world stuff.
• 28:32
  Yeah, you know, he likes to open it with a world.
• 28:37
  Sort of threatened traveling challenge or yeah.
• 28:39
  I like that a lot. Good.
• 28:44
  I'm just gonna say, I'm just going to talk more about, how
• 28:45
  beautiful, but all this looks and how different like have we
• 28:50
  ever seen, India, and Pakistan, and Doctor Who Never, Never, and
• 28:57
  the idea of taking something. So, the partition was never ever
• 29:04
  talk to me at school, never touched on.
• 29:07
  I think his the, the whole thing, the colonization of
• 29:10
  India, it's just a big embarrassment.
• 29:12
  Harrasment to England. Now, is how we went out to
• 29:15
  civilize the rest of the world and yeah, how to fuck off?
• 29:19
  Ya know, I think I think there is, like, I knew very little
• 29:25
  about the partition of India before I'd seen this time with
• 29:28
  Rosa, we were taught at my school, all about the civil
• 29:30
  rights movement in America, because it's American or
• 29:32
  England. So it's, you know, it's fine to
• 29:34
  know that the terrible things that people were doing there.
• 29:37
  So I kind of knew all about Rosa Parks and about Malcolm X.
• 29:41
  And Martin Luther King and all those things.
• 29:44
  We've covered it quite a lot, but the partition of India, I,
• 29:47
  you know, I knew roughly what it was, but I couldn't turn.
• 29:51
  Like this certainly opened my eyes a lot more to it.
• 29:54
  I was watching the crown recently and they covered it a
• 29:56
  bit more as well, and it's just a very dark stain on British
• 29:59
  history. What I thought was a genius idea
• 30:02
  and whether it was then a Patel who 2424 banging scripts, Mouse,
• 30:07
  a, or Chris, chibnall whoever's idea.
• 30:10
  It was to tell this Massive piece of History through this
• 30:16
  family. So to tell you in such an
• 30:18
  intimate way where we can just buy into the characters, get
• 30:21
  close to them and that's why I think the the climax is you you
• 30:26
  could have shown me, you know, cities in Ruins.
• 30:28
  And I wouldn't have felt as much as I did, as the fella trying to
• 30:32
  convince his brother who's gone other side.
• 30:38
  You know, then he's executed like I really feel free because
• 30:41
  you get to it, you really get Close to these characters.
• 30:43
  So it describes what's going on. But just in a very emotional
• 30:49
  way, it's also strangely relevant.
• 30:51
  Like they talk later on about the brother being turned by
• 30:55
  Voices of hatred on the radio. And it's like I mean every time
• 30:59
  you get into an Uber, you're here London, talk radio, or LBC,
• 31:02
  or some Nigel? Farage spouting.
• 31:04
  Some shit. I believe are hindered rhotic in
• 31:07
  the background here. Hey, on the radio.
• 31:10
  Yeah. And Just look at us as a nation
• 31:14
  have brexit divided us how covid divided us and things like that.
• 31:17
  It's all still relevant, it's the same shit.
• 31:22
  But I also think they're telling it through the prism of this one
• 31:25
  family is obviously the better way to tell it but also I think
• 31:29
  we know the doctor whose budget was reduced after the rusty
• 31:33
  Davis era and one of the things we got is smaller casts and less
• 31:38
  supporting artists and things like that and I think it makes
• 31:41
  the storytelling be Because you have to tell those intimate
• 31:43
  story you know with fires of Pompeii.
• 31:46
  Fires of Pompeii is a fun story but you've got your tell it to
• 31:50
  one family but that you never quite get to know in the way you
• 31:53
  get to know these characters. But then there's all the other
• 31:55
  Cara, there's a big monsters and aliens, invading and all this
• 31:59
  other stuff going on. Big, VFX shots of people running
• 32:02
  around the city and it's fun with a bit of a like foot the
• 32:06
  end. But with this one you're just
• 32:08
  like, okay we're meeting real people.
• 32:10
  But if I'm feels like you've traveled in time, And rather
• 32:12
  than making this this huge sort of sci-fi show it would
• 32:16
  genuinely feels like you've authentically travel back to a
• 32:19
  period of History. Yeah look at the shore with the
• 32:22
  streak running down its gorgeous it.
• 32:25
  I've let every sort of frame has been considered and the colors.
• 32:30
  The colors just pop, they're so like beautiful.
• 32:33
  It's just it's just nature right there on the screen in a way
• 32:37
  that we're used to seeing vast vistas of either CGI, history or
• 32:41
  CGI. It's because I've gone
• 32:43
  somewhere. Other than Drew real Cardiff.
• 32:45
  Sorry, is that, you know? They can finally show off some
• 32:49
  beautiful landscapes. And yeah, another thing I love
• 32:52
  about this story is, it is specifically tailored for Jody
• 32:56
  Whittaker's doctor, so she can be a part of that bridal party,
• 33:01
  she can have the henna tattoo and she's a very soft, very
• 33:06
  comfortable in those sort of situations, I sort of equations.
• 33:13
  Yeah. And I think Jodie Whittaker
• 33:14
  response to it in a really interesting way as well.
• 33:17
  It's not like it is in arachnids where she's awkward she she just
• 33:23
  feels like part of the family, I think money under.
• 33:25
  Yeah yeah she's and I think some of that is a bit because there
• 33:29
  is this family link to your as as well.
• 33:31
  So it perhaps they were some somehow, they're slightly more
• 33:35
  open to it. I love all these black and white
• 33:38
  flashes of the what the creatures called.
• 33:41
  Oh my God. Soon, I keep talking.
• 33:44
  I was Google. When I first saw them I was
• 33:48
  like, is that quillian from the rescue?
• 33:50
  But it was not to be what a closer look and you are.
• 33:53
  Now they look a bit better than that.
• 33:55
  Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, first time cook Williams,
• 33:59
  got a menacing looking, a menacing looking face.
• 34:03
  I love how they wash in and out of the picture as well.
• 34:07
  It's such a simple effect but it's a lot fun and they have
• 34:10
  that the music for this is all Very like, you know, you can
• 34:15
  feel the Indian influence to it but then they just but they have
• 34:19
  these terrifying moments when it cuts to the creatures.
• 34:22
  Initially, then it's straight out of a horror film what the
• 34:25
  music in this. Like I was I was unsure about
• 34:28
  Marigold going, I just love, I genuinely love this music even
• 34:33
  when it did get a little bit repetitive, towards the end, but
• 34:36
  boy, they chose a brilliant, brilliant replacement and I
• 34:39
  think this is I remember he went on to They're off the words and
• 34:44
  said this, this was his favorite school to write for That season.
• 34:47
  He loved doing the version of the Doctor Who theme with the
• 34:50
  male voice at the end, which will they called the fajar Ian's
• 34:55
  or fortunately? The vaginas for for jar Ian's.
• 35:00
  I think that's a jari, and okay, it's a space name If Ever I
• 35:03
  heard one. And it J right in the middle of
• 35:06
  it. Yeah, I I love saying and I can
• 35:10
  do this music and I think here He does a fantastic job
• 35:13
  interesting. Really protective and able to
• 35:14
  tell says, in the complimentary for this.
• 35:16
  He was saying that he remembered an episode of The West Wing
• 35:20
  where like somebody died or something like that.
• 35:21
  And then they cut to the normal fee Mattoon and he said to Chris
• 35:24
  chibnall like, actually, I don't, I don't want it to be
• 35:28
  just well because after such a poignant episode.
• 35:37
  So I think they made the right decision.
• 35:39
  Absolutely. And with Rosa to Is Rise Up song
• 35:44
  instead of the theme tune but his dramatic music in this as
• 35:48
  well when in those last 10 minutes, when the horsemen are
• 35:52
  coming and there's like a constant be like a suspenseful
• 35:56
  be going on. And then just before, what is
• 35:59
  the guys I'm Prem is sure. There's like a male voice that
• 36:03
  comes in there as well. I'm a nice.
• 36:05
  Just it's so good. I'd I was I'm just say here
• 36:08
  saying superlatives my goodness. Yeah.
• 36:12
  I mean, that's why we're here. Like we're here because we liked
• 36:14
  this episode. We were, you know, I'm ignoring
• 36:16
  about the Daleks invasion of Earth and I'm sure we'll do
• 36:19
  something in the future but that you know perhaps won't entirely
• 36:22
  work for us but like like you know just a couple of Seasons
• 36:26
  back doctor who was putting out, you know, sleep no more.
• 36:30
  Yeah. Leave me that.
• 36:33
  I like sleep. No more like above you'll.
• 36:40
  Yeah. Yeah, well it's a song I keep
• 36:44
  fighting. You know I love do I love is how
• 36:47
  the the the jar Ian's with a J are presented as the the
• 36:53
  monsters of the yeah. Initially with House of Fear
• 36:56
  them and think that they're up to no good.
• 37:01
  And it does that 28 Days Later, twist that know the monsters are
• 37:05
  the people. These the monsters are the
• 37:07
  people in this. A life, always think.
• 37:09
  That's a great lesson to learn I also think we've come a long way
• 37:15
  just from, you know, he-who-must-not-be-named Gareth
• 37:19
  Roberts Shakespeare code but you know the doctor arrives with
• 37:23
  free majumdar somewhere and he goes well what about you know,
• 37:27
  the color of my skin essentially and he just goes walk around
• 37:30
  like you own the place, like in a very entitled white man, way.
• 37:33
  And even, and even, the more kind of gung-ho sort of Moffat
• 37:38
  approach of punching, the racist and thin ice.
• 37:41
  I'd like I do I just think this series is so much more nuanced
• 37:46
  about that the time travel and the implications of it.
• 37:50
  I don't think you quite get enough of dealing with the fact
• 37:55
  that the doctors a woman. I think the witch find this is
• 37:58
  the only one that really kind of goes, this is what it's like to
• 38:01
  be a woman in history and I would have liked to have seen a
• 38:03
  bit more of that. Small glimpse went Byron.
• 38:06
  Try to come on to her. Yeah, I see you sitting here.
• 38:11
  Get off my or I don't know why, but it's really pretty as well.
• 38:17
  You know, I probably would have said yes.
• 38:18
  I mean that that that household in Villa Di audacity fucking
• 38:23
  ball, it was all of them, dr. Pollidori nearest.
• 38:27
  Four-poster, come on. Yeah, but I do ya like in in the
• 38:35
  Shakespeare code, they're ignoring races over near
• 38:38
  something like human nature. They're just like So glancing at
• 38:42
  it in there. Nice.
• 38:44
  They basically say, oh, this is a simple solution, just punch it
• 38:48
  here in this and in Rosa you're having nuanced debate.
• 38:53
  Yeah, you know. Absolutely.
• 38:55
  And it's, you know, I hope I think I hope and think they'll
• 38:59
  be more of that within shooting cater to a sera.
• 39:02
  I think. Oh yeah.
• 39:04
  Definitely. And I think Russell T Davies was
• 39:06
  a bit tentative back then because he wasn't sure kind of
• 39:10
  what he could get away. Wave.
• 39:11
  Well, he caught a nose now good, where, where the show's been in
• 39:14
  the last 10 years, what he can do and I don't think he gives a
• 39:17
  shit anymore because, yeah, you know, it's also where like, you
• 39:23
  know, there's this massive debates about diversity within
• 39:26
  the society at the moment and Russell himself has been at the
• 39:31
  center of a small flurry on Twitter, the other day.
• 39:34
  But as, you know, because I anything these days, I know, I
• 39:39
  know, I know but I think Russell knows the sort of people that
• 39:43
  are going to be watching Doctor Who and the sort of people who
• 39:46
  wants to get in like it's got from where it was in the 90s
• 39:49
  where it was basically a bunch of white men, and of which some
• 39:54
  of them were gay. And that was sort of the 99% of
• 39:58
  the fanbase to hat what I done first fan base Doctor Who's Got
• 40:01
  and how much bigger an audience. It could get telling stories
• 40:05
  like this, especially on a global platform like this t plus
• 40:08
  having others people saying. Yeah.
• 40:10
  Because the doctors Woman anymore as a step backwards.
• 40:13
  We've got a hot gay black man in what is wrong.
• 40:19
  So, this is the second time we've had, like a sequence on
• 40:24
  the battlefield is, no, because we have that scene in
• 40:26
  Afghanistan and our water, which is you for that sequence in Dark
• 40:30
  Water was a bit much because we're killing children there and
• 40:34
  that's all I really want Doc to to go there.
• 40:36
  But mornings. This works for me though.
• 40:40
  Yeah. It's a lovely little moment and
• 40:43
  it's it feels real. Like, you know, the thing in
• 40:48
  twice upon a time where Mark Gatiss is character is all set
• 40:52
  around the battlefield but because it's so British old
• 40:56
  school it almost doesn't feel like it doesn't have the
• 41:00
  emotional impact youth. I think they wanted it to have
• 41:03
  because it's almost feels like a bit of Telly that bit from the
• 41:07
  1960s or 70s, you know. Well I was just a Wait at the
• 41:11
  signs, read advert. Did it better as well.
• 41:16
  Very true, very true. A bigger budget.
• 41:19
  You know, how do we feel about Ryan Sinclair?
• 41:24
  I know this is really Ryan story.
• 41:25
  Are you going to ask me that question, really?
• 41:29
  My Nubian Prince. I think rather clear such an old
• 41:34
  cookie because I think he's a terrific actor toasting up.
• 41:38
  I think when they let him Acts, Like they give him extended
• 41:42
  dialogue. Seems he always delivers that
• 41:45
  sequence in resolution? I mentioned earlier when he
• 41:47
  talks to his dad. Oh yeah.
• 41:49
  That is that is exactly the relationship I had with my dad
• 41:53
  and I'm never identified with a character in dogs home or that I
• 41:57
  did in that same question, where why I was there in the middle of
• 42:00
  that very Pacey episode that 10-minute dots but never mind.
• 42:05
  I think he's very naturalistic and we're not used to
• 42:07
  naturalistic and what I love it when it is Super hip.
• 42:11
  Right? 88 planes.
• 42:13
  Was it storm? Z this shows you how unhip I am
• 42:16
  and I know one of that and he's, you know, he's got his YouTube
• 42:19
  page and all of this. But the things that make me
• 42:22
  laugh. The most is when he tries to be
• 42:23
  very masculine like when he comes out with that gun in the
• 42:27
  ghost Monument. Yeah, I'll shoot her and he goes
• 42:30
  you hands off like a big girl and they do that joke, a couple
• 42:33
  of times. And I always feel like they're
• 42:35
  trying to puncher that's all masculine image.
• 42:38
  Yeah. Well I like Him.
• 42:41
  I don't think he's the most memorable.
• 42:43
  I don't think is the best companion but I do like him.
• 42:45
  Yeah, I think I kind of agree with you.
• 42:48
  I think he is the one that comes at probably the most underserved
• 42:52
  from this era, but when we are focusing on him and you know,
• 42:55
  you get that stuff with his mate in, can you hear me?
• 42:58
  And as you say, resolution and stuff, I think he was really
• 43:02
  shines but like my like a criticism I do.
• 43:05
  However, the era is that I think it does struggle with three
• 43:08
  companions but when it works well, Well, it works really well
• 43:12
  and the interaction between the three of them and the doctor I
• 43:15
  think is wonderful but sometimes you like there's this is three
• 43:19
  people sharing one companions lines that the to penultimate
• 43:24
  episodes. It takes you away and The
• 43:26
  Haunting. No that's not and I'll score it.
• 43:28
  Takes you away. And the holding of villa de
• 43:29
  Darcy, I think they are the two. They get the three companions
• 43:33
  bang on. Yeah, yeah, the right man was
• 43:35
  here or they will get good materials.
• 43:37
  Well, Yeah, it was yes initially, wasn't it?
• 43:41
  And then obviously come flocks. And those last three, she's
• 43:44
  getting all that fabulous material but I think, you know,
• 43:49
  I think yeah, it's obviously gets this episode in this
• 43:51
  series. I mean, they all get their
• 43:53
  moment in over this series and I think yeah.
• 43:56
  It gets a bit more in the next series, but she becomes by flux.
• 44:00
  She's a much funnier character as well.
• 44:02
  And I think that's, that's not just chibnall learning how to
• 44:05
  write the characters, better at things like that that showing
• 44:08
  Somebody maturing and developing as a character and I think like
• 44:13
  her her Arc while it is a subtle one and the whole sort of
• 44:20
  thousand in thing, no matter how it was played.
• 44:23
  People would have been up in arms about it.
• 44:25
  It was beautiful. I thought it was, oh, so
• 44:27
  understated. And the fact that they never
• 44:31
  consummated that and they both agreed as mature adults.
• 44:35
  Like this can't happen, but clearly They love each other.
• 44:39
  I just thought that was beautifully done.
• 44:41
  Yeah. I wouldn't have changed thing
• 44:42
  that last seen on the Tardis with the ice cream.
• 44:44
  What it's lovely. And I like I I always think I
• 44:51
  was find it funny. When people are like the doctor
• 44:54
  suddenly likes girls, like what the doctors kind of always like
• 44:56
  girls. It would have.
• 44:59
  Also the doctor is sort of, especially since the new series
• 45:02
  has been hinted at as being bisexual and even if it's not
• 45:07
  necessarily always Always like, you know, the doctor isn't
• 45:10
  shagging his way around the universe, but he's he or she
• 45:15
  always kind of have these flirtations and I think, you
• 45:19
  know, people read too much into them and not enough into them at
• 45:22
  the same time depending on which, you know, side of the
• 45:26
  argument. You land on my gosh.
• 45:29
  He's got so much energy Jody. Wish she does.
• 45:32
  He lights up the screen. She's very manic.
• 45:37
  But not And I find 10 and towards the end of his era, the
• 45:41
  money in this gets a bit too much, but I love her sort of
• 45:44
  breathless, kind of reminds me a bit of early McGann in the all
• 45:48
  in the big finish audios which are my brother.
• 45:51
  Once described, I don't know whether it was him that came up
• 45:53
  with it but as a breathless, manic pixie.
• 45:56
  And I think that's probably a good description of Jodi as well
• 46:00
  as that early film again. Do you know what I could say?
• 46:02
  You know, I think it's been doctor reviews.
• 46:05
  I always gave the characters. My talks about them, a little
• 46:07
  paragraph, If I gave them a like a little description, a nice to
• 46:10
  call home against doctor from that very first from storm,
• 46:12
  warning the breathless romantic age.
• 46:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:19
  But I think there is some of that there.
• 46:22
  And I may have said this to you before.
• 46:23
  So apologies, if I'm repeating myself to the listeners and to
• 46:26
  you, but I just think this is the first doctor that's just
• 46:29
  informed by the classic, the, by the new series.
• 46:32
  Sorry, I don't think she's not seeing Patrick troughton or Tom
• 46:35
  Baker and there's no reason why she should love.
• 46:38
  When I thought to go back and watch you all, do grab all these
• 46:42
  scripts and do the best I can with them.
• 46:44
  But Dr. Who fans are up in arms about our they are there.
• 46:48
  Well, that's they'd be mad about it and then I'd be mad about it.
• 46:50
  She was like, I'd seen it all and I sure loved it.
• 46:53
  When she read out all those tweets from all the haters.
• 46:55
  Did you watch that video? Yeah, she's out this tweet and
• 46:59
  she goes well, you ain't seen me yet.
• 47:01
  If yeah, what people have forgotten is, she said she
• 47:07
  wasn't gonna watch him. But she did say that once she'd
• 47:10
  left the role she was going to go back and watch some.
• 47:12
  So I'd love to know what she thought.
• 47:14
  I mean, if they could get her on one of those behind the sofa
• 47:17
  features on the, on the Blu-rays, that would be
• 47:20
  interested to see she clearly had a ball making this and I
• 47:25
  think she might fantastic connections with everyone.
• 47:27
  She worked with all the regular Arch, I think she's a massive
• 47:32
  Tyler. We were lucky to have her.
• 47:34
  And do you know when I see when I see doctor, Fans.
• 47:39
  I'm like on the periphery of friends with a lot of DOTA fans.
• 47:42
  I love Jodie, Whittaker going off to these conventions, and
• 47:46
  having five minutes with her or well, you get a couple of
• 47:49
  minutes and it's just the best moment of their year and she
• 47:53
  makes it the best moment of the year as well.
• 47:55
  Like she knows how special meaning, every Doctor Who fan
• 47:58
  is. It's just glorious.
• 48:00
  I know, like nobody that I know that's works with her.
• 48:05
  All like matter of ever said a bad.
• 48:08
  Edward about it. I've heard all sorts of other
• 48:10
  people behind the scenes of Doctor Who be slagged off, but
• 48:13
  I've never heard anybody say a bad thing about Jodi.
• 48:16
  Have you heard David Tennant? Be slacked off.
• 48:18
  I have heard him the slagged off.
• 48:22
  Yeah, once our okay. That's not bad.
• 48:26
  That's not bad. But I think David Tennant's.
• 48:28
  A genuinely nice guy and I want you asked 100 people about one
• 48:31
  person. You're gonna get hundred
• 48:32
  different opinions. Very true.
• 48:35
  Very if you've got 100 positive opinions about Joe, With her
• 48:38
  world and they go. It's what people used to say
• 48:41
  about Peter Davison and why he was his career was so successful
• 48:44
  because he was a good actor. But also apparently dishes to go
• 48:46
  in be nice to everybody. Do the job doing well, and then
• 48:50
  leave. And that was it.
• 48:51
  He didn't have time for courting controversy or anything like
• 48:55
  that. What, in whatever he did, he was
• 48:56
  just wanted to get on with it. This scene here.
• 48:59
  Where the for women are sitting around at one with fertile
• 49:03
  erasing, the fucking back, they'll test by a mile and I
• 49:07
  like you too. Try and point to me to a
• 49:09
  moffatt's group that does that I don't care.
• 49:13
  I just love all this. Just all hang time with these
• 49:16
  people. You know, just get interrupted
• 49:18
  and we need to get to know these people.
• 49:20
  For that climax to hear ya for us to Care.
• 49:23
  You're absolutely right. And again, you just thinking,
• 49:26
  aren't I was busy talking about Peter Davison.
• 49:28
  This is this is groundbreaking for Doctor Who and like, I don't
• 49:33
  think many people pick up on how groundbreaking something like
• 49:36
  this is, we've not seen A bunch of Indian Pakistani women sat
• 49:41
  down talking about their lives in this way before ever inductor
• 49:44
  her. I mean it's probably a good job.
• 49:45
  They didn't do in the 60s but you know, I mean yeah.
• 49:50
  You know what this is as well. This is a base Under Siege story
• 49:53
  of a coin because she said a couple of things back like
• 49:58
  they're on their way. Our we've got just enough time
• 50:01
  to get you married. So in the background of all
• 50:03
  this, you've had the radio signals coming in spreading like
• 50:07
  the Ugh and around you. The hey, they know that the the
• 50:12
  other side are coming to get, they gotta get out of there.
• 50:15
  I love that. I love the sort of
• 50:17
  claustrophobia of that and this is their home as well.
• 50:19
  They're going to be uprooted from their home.
• 50:22
  It just has like a tangible atmosphere to it.
• 50:24
  Yeah, It's really just, I mean, I just keep saying
• 50:30
  groundbreaking in ways that it's all I can do.
• 50:34
  It looks beautiful, this groundbreaking, all the, every
• 50:37
  the dialog just Sparkles, but not in a way of like, it's not
• 50:40
  that Punchy Joker minute it's not, it doesn't have to be
• 50:46
  saying funny things and that, you know, that I would cut to
• 50:49
  that all the men having similar conversations in their own ways
• 50:52
  and in ways that they can sort of Express themselves, He's got
• 50:56
  period and that culture, like it's just really lovely touching
• 50:59
  moments and I love the fact that.
• 51:02
  Wow, he just said you love me forever.
• 51:04
  Of course, I love you. Basically saying she loved me
• 51:07
  enough to like, leave, guys. It's really, really, really
• 51:12
  good. Okay, let's talk about the
• 51:16
  person, the talent in the robot. Everyone's talented.
• 51:19
  Let's talk about Bradley Walsh. I cannot tell you what, that
• 51:23
  fucker, a steals every I sewed, and the bit in a minute where
• 51:28
  premise going off to get married and he knows he's going to die
• 51:32
  and he's holding back the tears. This silly game show.
• 51:37
  Host comedian can break on a dime.
• 51:41
  Yeah, fantastic better casting. Who?
• 51:44
  Absolutely? Yeah, slightly surprising that
• 51:47
  he had got an acting career before before that.
• 51:50
  It was in Christian nal's Law and Order UK, wasn't it?
• 51:53
  And I think it's a very clever move from Um chibnall to go okay
• 51:57
  there's going to be a doctor who fan of a certain age who are
• 52:00
  used to a doctor of a certain age or similar.
• 52:05
  We're going to change their identity that there aren't there
• 52:07
  figure for identification. It's not going to be the doctor
• 52:09
  anymore but there is still got there still represented within
• 52:12
  the Tardis. I think that's a very and you
• 52:14
  get it with John Bishop as well as a very smart move to kind of
• 52:18
  ease people in and that decision to have the character archive
• 52:23
  season 11, be the pair of them, getting over the death of Grace
• 52:29
  and how that's were dropped into several episodes and then
• 52:33
  getting close. Oh sir through adventuring with
• 52:35
  the doctor to the point where he can finally call him his
• 52:38
  granddad like it's really subtle.
• 52:41
  Yeah. I like subtle.
• 52:42
  I find subtle more moving than obvious.
• 52:44
  Sometimes I wouldn't be the first person to say this, but if
• 52:48
  it takes you away and then the season finale for this season, I
• 52:51
  think a lot of people would look on the season very differently
• 52:55
  because they be looking more at the emotional Arc.
• 52:57
  So rather than that oh look Tim Shaw's back and there's nothing
• 53:00
  wrong with him. Sure I also just think it's the
• 53:02
  stupid things like The woman who fell to Earth, you assume it's
• 53:05
  referring to the doctor but it's referring to Grace.
• 53:08
  Yeah, she's the one that falls to Earth and changes everybody's
• 53:11
  lives and you have that whole toast in doing his blog at the
• 53:14
  beginning and stuff and it's just really lovely stuff.
• 53:18
  I mean I said this a million times are consider a resolution
• 53:20
  to be the climax reason because that's where Ryan, meet his dad
• 53:25
  again. And yeah and it's called
• 53:28
  resolution as well. I just think it's a shame that
• 53:33
  you had Just because if they're, there are few weeks apart, it
• 53:38
  just makes everybody girl. Oh well that's it.
• 53:41
  It's out with a whimper. Whereas, you know, you could
• 53:43
  have put the Tim Shaw sequel, this episode 9, the general
• 53:47
  setting that tell for of interview, for Doctor Who
• 53:49
  magazine said, the one that is the niggle for me is ran score
• 53:54
  of ko loss because I ran out of time and I didn't have time to
• 53:58
  give it a second and third draft.
• 54:00
  So basically, it's what you wrote.
• 54:02
  Just went out. Yeah.
• 54:04
  And that happens all the time and Doctor Who it just because
• 54:06
  it's a very difficult show to make.
• 54:08
  And I think every show runner has this thing where after the
• 54:11
  first series they're they're just like, oh I've got to make
• 54:14
  another one and another one, and another one and this script
• 54:17
  isn't working. So I've got to rewrite it and
• 54:19
  like it's a story as old as time and doctored a budget.
• 54:25
  But you know what, sometimes in a panic I do.
• 54:27
  That's a Christian was about talent.
• 54:28
  I think he's got a lot of talent but I'm midnight was made
• 54:32
  effects here in four days. Days off in there.
• 54:35
  Give me a script. Sit, your death was effectively
• 54:37
  written in a weekend. Yeah.
• 54:39
  Yeah. No.
• 54:40
  Very true. And that.
• 54:41
  That happens every now and then but it's not something that
• 54:44
  happens all the time and people Can't expected to pull a classic
• 54:48
  out of thin air. I think will happen with flux
• 54:52
  later on, you know, is that he had that season sort of hammered
• 54:57
  out the 10 episode season, and because he had to basically
• 55:01
  redraft the whole thing, he This will go over it again and again
• 55:07
  I'm not the flag came out. I just think flux is how long
• 55:12
  his flocks is like exactly sides.
• 55:15
  Seven hours also make it six and a half hours.
• 55:17
  Six hours 66, maybe a little less.
• 55:21
  Okay, so five and a bit hours are just don't find find a Duff
• 55:25
  be in it. I love it.
• 55:27
  Me neither. I don't want to give too many of
• 55:29
  my opinions on flux here because we are going to hit those up
• 55:32
  very shortly. This that it certainly some of
• 55:37
  his strongest writing I think and I'm very excited to revisit
• 55:41
  it again. I just before we decided to do
• 55:44
  it, I watched the first episode and I was like I need to sit
• 55:47
  down and watch this whole thing and also try to Sue.
• 55:51
  I'll get a night shift recently where I listened to the
• 55:55
  Halloween apocalypse. But because I was working, I
• 55:57
  only listen to the Halloween apocalypse and just as an audio
• 56:00
  experience. It was incredible.
• 56:02
  That's amazing. Yes, Yeah, I was terrific.
• 56:05
  It made me want to go back and do that with a lot of these
• 56:07
  series. Once they are they held up.
• 56:08
  Imagine it was like those William Hartnell stories that we
• 56:10
  can't see, but we can. Maybe sleep.
• 56:14
  No more would be an absolute classic.
• 56:17
  Have you done the Sleep? No More on this yet?
• 56:18
  No, they're fabulous. Joe short.
• 56:20
  And I've been trying to build that in for the last nine
• 56:23
  hundred years painting is but I think it's just because secretly
• 56:27
  she can't bear to go back and watch it.
• 56:30
  Well I'm I'm a fan of that one but you know every time I bit of
• 56:33
  sort of eye booger now falls out of my eye.
• 56:37
  Exactly. That's that's what's supposed to
• 56:39
  do. Scare the kids with the
• 56:40
  relatable things. Oh, boy, is this?
• 56:44
  That is this the wedding. Now, I wear the wedding.
• 56:45
  Yeah, we're at the wedding. We've been waxing lyrical too
• 56:48
  much about flux, and I'll go look at these, like, the way it
• 56:52
  has over all the flowers are so beautiful.
• 56:56
  How often do you see? Flowers and Doctor Who and big
• 56:58
  sunrises and things like that, it's just, it's also different.
• 57:03
  It feels. This is going to sound weird,
• 57:05
  but it makes history feel like an alien world in a way that
• 57:09
  were used when you see new Earth for the first time and you like
• 57:12
  Doctor, Who's on the nail, World for the first time.
• 57:14
  But this is, this is almost the same feeling because it looks.
• 57:17
  That's what the William Hartnell we're did.
• 57:19
  They made history feel as weird and exotic and dangerous?
• 57:24
  Yeah, Isaiah fact, sometimes far better than the alien planets,
• 57:27
  they could realize Bradley Walsh trying to restrain the tears,
• 57:33
  boy. A boy, he's great.
• 57:35
  And just like, I know they're in a studio somewhere in Cardiff at
• 57:38
  this point, but the light flooding through the the windows
• 57:41
  and stuff just really adds to it and You just, you don't for a
• 57:44
  second. Feel like you're not in India.
• 57:47
  No. And I think because everybody is
• 57:49
  so committed to taking this seriously.
• 57:53
  And I mean, seriously, it's in, it's dull, but like convincing.
• 57:58
  Yeah, yeah, I never did like, okay, let's go Hitler.
• 58:01
  I never want for they were in Berlin.
• 58:04
  No, there's that seizure allows get Dreadful CGI.
• 58:07
  Bit when River songs at the window and she's going on about
• 58:09
  type jumpers and go to a bar mitzvahs and all this politics.
• 58:13
  Mike, is anyone taking this seriously?
• 58:18
  No, I like fun. And I love comedy.
• 58:21
  So I'm like they're all my favorite stuff is called one but
• 58:24
  not the Wi-Fi family mind. I was one misfire.
• 58:28
  I said yeah it wasn't anything was also as well.
• 58:33
  Jodie Whittaker doing the ceremony.
• 58:36
  She's awesome. She's the only doctor that would
• 58:38
  convince doing that superbly absolutely like even With the I
• 58:43
  love Peter Capaldi's doctor, but I couldn't imagine this
• 58:46
  happening after just a few years before, Peter Capaldi,
• 58:48
  conducting that ceremony of Jesus Christ.
• 58:51
  Because he's representative of a, he is the like almost he's a
• 58:57
  British and Irish Scottish but he just feels like almost
• 59:00
  Colonial and I know he's not in his doctors, Punky and
• 59:02
  anarchistic but he just gives someone in the face to me but
• 59:07
  he'd look wrong in that situation and I think a lot of
• 59:10
  other doctors would as well. Right?
• 59:11
  Let's get this done. Do you love?
• 59:13
  Do you love her? All right.
• 59:15
  You fucking married. Let's go.
• 59:16
  Cara. Yeah, that's exactly it.
• 59:20
  It takes of this version of the doctor the first female doctor
• 59:24
  and this version of the show to be able to put Jody in this and
• 59:28
  she gives a stunning performance.
• 59:31
  I love the fact as well. She's celebrating love in all
• 59:36
  its forms. I mean and people will point to
• 59:39
  this and say oh that's whoa gestapo being so PC blah blah.
• 59:43
  Blah. No, take a good look at
• 59:45
  yourself, you're complaining about that because love does
• 59:49
  come in many different forms, you know, and it's worth
• 59:52
  celebrating. Yeah.
• 59:53
  And it's a beautiful thing and we know that this guy's about to
• 59:57
  die and this is going to be the happiest moment of his life
• 1:00:01
  before. Ultimately, he's killed and
• 1:00:03
  killed by people. He knows for people from their
• 1:00:07
  point of that map, but my yeah, got the Sheffield.
• 1:00:11
  Let's go. So exotic.
• 1:00:15
  I think while May is coming to Eastbourne things that as well.
• 1:00:20
  Well I can't wait to. I'm sure you'll do a podcast at
• 1:00:22
  some point while he's here. I want to know is review of
• 1:00:25
  Eastbourne. Okay.
• 1:00:27
  All right. Well I'll make him say it yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah. Hi.
• 1:00:30
  Jesus Christ, I came all this way for this because it's a good
• 1:00:34
  for you. Got a tasty else all.
• 1:00:36
  Sorry, I'll just be quiet Peter hook.
• 1:00:45
  You know, as well cast as well. You know why I've heard people a
• 1:00:50
  friend of mine was just with his partner and he said that if his
• 1:00:54
  partner he thought that this was terribly, active, to all the
• 1:00:58
  guest characters were terrible. I'm like, am I watching the same
• 1:01:02
  program? What my girlfriend said?
• 1:01:04
  The same thing about this, and I've just, I've just never got
• 1:01:07
  it, but I think she likes to likes, Rusty Davis, and Jackie,
• 1:01:11
  Tyler. And that, that sort of a The
• 1:01:13
  show and why? Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  So did I. But I just think it's, I think
• 1:01:18
  this this is the complete opposite and it is more
• 1:01:22
  naturalistic and it's just, you know, they're also playing.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah, I just, I just think they're all really good actors
• 1:01:30
  and I refuse to believe that the performance is a subpar in any
• 1:01:34
  way. And what's important is, we need
• 1:01:36
  to believe that the two premanand brainer in love and I
• 1:01:40
  do, and we need to believe that. That prayer Emily's brother are
• 1:01:44
  related and I do. Yeah, and the muffler.
• 1:01:50
  She's brilliant. Well, bossy boots, while ass
• 1:01:52
  every mother ever going analyze Jackie.
• 1:01:53
  Tyler there. You know.
• 1:01:56
  Yeah, she's the only one, the only difference between her and
• 1:01:58
  Jackie. Tyler has it.
• 1:01:59
  She's not trying to Shag everyone.
• 1:02:01
  No, she should say something like, oh, you don't meet many
• 1:02:03
  prem's do? Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Okay, so from this point on, yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Now I don't know, I think it's how episodes classic But from
• 1:02:13
  this point on where she goes in and says, You Killed the holy
• 1:02:16
  man and then he says they're coming and then the you think
• 1:02:20
  the are the music and the horse is coming in and then running
• 1:02:23
  away and he goes out to face them.
• 1:02:27
  This is fucking gold standard Doctor Who now yeah.
• 1:02:31
  It's gripping stuff. I was sat here today and I
• 1:02:34
  thought I'd watched it the other day and I thought I'm just going
• 1:02:36
  to put it on while I work just to sort of refresh my memory a
• 1:02:39
  little bit. And so I was sat here at this
• 1:02:42
  computer typing. Go away with it there and for
• 1:02:44
  the last sort of five or ten minutes I wasn't I was just
• 1:02:47
  looking at the screen the whole time because it is such an
• 1:02:51
  tastic stuff and yet you know what like it's so I watched it's
• 1:02:55
  doing something very different. Okay.
• 1:02:57
  So I'm not I will say that as a caveat for us like this.
• 1:02:59
  I was Time of the Doctor the other day.
• 1:03:01
  Okay. I couldn't be more chalk and
• 1:03:03
  cheese from this. You know, it's thrown in every
• 1:03:05
  Dalek Cyberman weeping angel silence.
• 1:03:08
  You know, dr. Naked dr.
• 1:03:10
  Bald Haruna Turk Okey, blah, blah.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah, it's literally running. Every fucking quirk in the book.
• 1:03:16
  Yeah. And it's the horniest Doctor.
• 1:03:18
  Who story ever. And it's a funny, fucking
• 1:03:20
  tedious. And I'm exhausted by the end of
• 1:03:22
  it. Whereas, this is clean and
• 1:03:24
  simple, and emotional and dramatic and like to try and
• 1:03:30
  explain my why. I love this era, more than Mafia
• 1:03:33
  Sarah is, because I like this approach.
• 1:03:36
  Yeah. I mean, I really hope that the
• 1:03:39
  new era. Doesn't I really hope we don't
• 1:03:44
  lose episodes like this. I also have am in no rush to see
• 1:03:47
  armies of everyone's favorite monsters again.
• 1:03:50
  Yeah. Yeah well I but I do think like,
• 1:03:57
  you know, Russell Davis are adults, who is probably my
• 1:04:00
  favorite are adults who ever. And I, you know, I think he
• 1:04:03
  could slow it down. I think human nature in the
• 1:04:05
  family of blood is. Yeah, like a beautiful drama.
• 1:04:10
  And he's right. He's mr.
• 1:04:12
  Television! He knows exactly what like he's
• 1:04:14
  not right. In the Doctor Who from 2005 or
• 1:04:17
  even 2006, 17, like he'll be writing something that's
• 1:04:21
  relevant and I think stories like this and I hope been a
• 1:04:24
  Patel comes back at some point. Hmm.
• 1:04:27
  Hi such a talent. I like I like I did love
• 1:04:30
  fugitive of the judoon but I think once you know the twist.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah loses loses. Some of its power.
• 1:04:38
  Whereas what those are Watch this over and over again and
• 1:04:41
  never loses its power, but Utopia loses its power.
• 1:04:44
  Once you know the twist as well of my script code, being it
• 1:04:49
  watching it. Very true, very true.
• 1:04:52
  We missed the shot earlier if the the men on the horses with
• 1:04:55
  their swords and guns out and stuff and it will, it, it feels
• 1:04:59
  threatening. But in a it's just a different
• 1:05:01
  threat from an army of Daleks as you were saying or an army of
• 1:05:04
  Cybermen. It's like, oh, these are people
• 1:05:06
  that are out for blood and there is nothing more terrible and
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, it is that same sort of danger that same sort of very
• 1:05:13
  human danger that I feel like at the end of the episode of
• 1:05:17
  crusade where Ella Kia Sister Barbara you know the only
• 1:05:20
  pleasure left for you is death, you know, and it's it but it's
• 1:05:25
  that sort of History's dangerous.
• 1:05:27
  We haven't done that for such a long time.
• 1:05:31
  This lovely slow motion shot here of them just approaching.
• 1:05:35
  And I think the lie that moves me the most is when he goes my
• 1:05:39
  little brother you know what has happened to you place at just so
• 1:05:44
  I think his performance he's maybe he might be my MVP you
• 1:05:47
  know for ya series 11. Really, really good is that it's
• 1:05:54
  surprisingly that that yeas doesn't get more to do in this.
• 1:05:58
  Yeah, she's a bit of a bystander in her own family's history but
• 1:06:02
  also she's like, it's that thing of she this isn't the history.
• 1:06:06
  She was expecting. Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  And while as viewers were learning more about the Indian
• 1:06:11
  partition for her, she's learning more about our family.
• 1:06:15
  I bought marked under, I never forgets her so there's always a
• 1:06:19
  reaction shot from under this is Effectively, it's her education
• 1:06:25
  system. Oh, here we go.
• 1:06:29
  Le is walking out to face up to them and it's these lovely sort
• 1:06:33
  of, it's just a little hand held shot here and of, as he goes out
• 1:06:37
  to face them and it just feels like it.
• 1:06:39
  Can you watch him? This serious drama show on a
• 1:06:41
  Sunday night? He's pretty clear Presley
• 1:06:43
  silhouetted. There is no harm in the shot as
• 1:06:46
  well and is the bit where he shot.
• 1:06:58
  Obviously, they're not going to show that because there's kiddie
• 1:07:00
  Wings watching this and we don't want not gonna sleep tonight,
• 1:07:04
  but you hear the shot and then you see, the doctors reaction.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah. And it's a great great Bit of
• 1:07:10
  Faith acting from Jodie. Whittaker.
• 1:07:11
  She walks away. Yeah, I completely agree.
• 1:07:14
  It's phenomenal. The look in his eyes here as he
• 1:07:17
  confronts these guys. And it's brother is just he's
• 1:07:20
  got like a single tear. Isn't he going down its face?
• 1:07:23
  Because there's an anger. How can people not like this?
• 1:07:26
  I don't understand. No, it's wild.
• 1:07:31
  Now I was once at a doctor who pub quiz and they ask people
• 1:07:35
  what their least favorite doctor of all time.
• 1:07:37
  And an Indian man, put his hands up and said he thought it was
• 1:07:40
  this. So I would love to know why that
• 1:07:43
  guy thought that. It was the worst one.
• 1:07:47
  Wow, well maybe so we don't. Yeah, I mean quite well.
• 1:07:51
  So mind you saying that. What on my podcast, the normal
• 1:07:53
  be praised, my friend Jack brought on his friend, Rohan,
• 1:07:57
  who isn't? Indian descent.
• 1:07:59
  And this is his favorite new series episode.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah. So I mean and and he goes on in
• 1:08:04
  our episode to explain how this is like Acura.
• 1:08:10
  So yeah, I mean, I don't know what this guy's beef was with
• 1:08:13
  it. I read it.
• 1:08:14
  I didn't have time to find out but just like, okay, so say the,
• 1:08:20
  the history was a bit muddy. The drama is still, there are,
• 1:08:23
  you know, it's, you know, I feel like it's about Again, we said
• 1:08:28
  it is this warm family story, and even if the history is not
• 1:08:32
  100% accurate, it's telling this, this this character lead
• 1:08:37
  story in a way that the backdrop Almost Doesn't Matter.
• 1:08:40
  Of course it does. It's a very important one.
• 1:08:42
  But you could tell a story like this on an alien planet and it
• 1:08:45
  would still probably have the same impact.
• 1:08:47
  Look at Jodi. Just shutting your eyes.
• 1:08:50
  That anyone that says she doesn't have like gravitas no
• 1:08:54
  fucking. They can fuck the fuck off.
• 1:08:56
  As far as I think my other Before her in Syria, my absolute
• 1:09:00
  our favorite bit for her. Is it Rosa, right?
• 1:09:03
  Where you guys goes? Are we leaving and she walked
• 1:09:05
  straight up to the camera goes, absolutely not.
• 1:09:08
  And all the hairs over a facial fat, Mega other way.
• 1:09:12
  Oh, God. Is that bit of all the faces?
• 1:09:15
  Oh, it's so moving. What a lovely idea for an alien
• 1:09:19
  race suit and also, the last of their kind and just go around,
• 1:09:23
  remembering people at the point of their death, they now they
• 1:09:27
  did miss a trick. Akin power of the doctor of not
• 1:09:30
  having them show up for her. Final, final scene, I would have
• 1:09:34
  been great when they're I've heard that, yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Boy. What a Galaxy for was always the
• 1:09:40
  monsters on evil. Yeah, the beautiful people are.
• 1:09:44
  There's a just yeah. Oh, there's the wiggly Tardis.
• 1:09:47
  Will he's at the top of the frame there, we just got but at
• 1:09:50
  this, this is what I will. He's come towards you like that
• 1:09:53
  and not five only for this bit. This is a terrible design.
• 1:10:01
  Honestly, I thought every grandmother she says to her in a
• 1:10:05
  minute, so it's because I love you to bits See ya, that's you
• 1:10:09
  watch call that Betty Ford. Maybe she's losing their
• 1:10:12
  marbles, I'm assuming it's like a nickname.
• 1:10:18
  Yeah. But such a lovely little scene
• 1:10:21
  just to bookend it with these. You know, the family drama in
• 1:10:25
  the current day. Again, not all writers would
• 1:10:28
  have done that. They would have just been about.
• 1:10:30
  Let's go back and see, you know, see my family in the past and
• 1:10:35
  you know, it's I love Father's day, but It's amazing what sort
• 1:10:38
  of 15 years can do for go back to your family history?
• 1:10:42
  Sort of story CJ. No I Father's Day is one of my
• 1:10:45
  least favorite new series. There is yeah, I really disliked
• 1:10:48
  it and I find the sequence at the beginning, where he takes
• 1:10:51
  her back and then he takes her back again.
• 1:10:54
  I'm like, are you mad right now? She's gonna get a load step out
• 1:10:58
  and stop it. Yeah, I found this.
• 1:11:02
  More agreeable because it's like not do something to save her
• 1:11:07
  grandmother's like a grandmother's, never in danger.
• 1:11:09
  We know she's there in the future like it's less
• 1:11:11
  irresponsible. Yeah I look at the very sort of
• 1:11:16
  stuff you slicing as well on both the but it's also the
• 1:11:20
  lighting. It's similar to the lighting,
• 1:11:22
  you get in the scenes in India. Like there's a purposeful like
• 1:11:26
  implication there from the the dop they've gone, right?
• 1:11:29
  This lighting has to be a certain certain sort of lighting
• 1:11:33
  to match it. And there we go.
• 1:11:36
  That was beautiful. It was a website, a doctor and
• 1:11:41
  you're right and and I think they he put this in the right
• 1:11:45
  part of the Season as well. Exactly, where it was needed
• 1:11:47
  you'd hat arachnids in the UK and thus oranga conundrum.
• 1:11:52
  Both of which have got down swimmingly with respectful and
• 1:11:56
  then he put in this very very stylish dramatic episodes.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah. So it's a peaceful episode
• 1:12:05
  kablam. Next week, scoffing, you get for
• 1:12:08
  in the trough. See this is where I was.
• 1:12:09
  Like, I'll yes you get this kablam which finders and it
• 1:12:12
  takes you away. I was like bring it on.
• 1:12:15
  I'm less enamored with kablam but I is it the pro Amazon
• 1:12:21
  message in there. It's not really.
• 1:12:23
  Because I do I find it's the fact that it's has such a mixed
• 1:12:27
  message but then isn't that Society little over like we all
• 1:12:30
  sort of anti Amazon but also they're really Athenian.
• 1:12:33
  So, use Amazon also. Well look, I'm gonna have to ask
• 1:12:39
  you now, to do the usual and name.
• 1:12:41
  It shouldn't be too difficult. Given all the positives.
• 1:12:43
  We've just stated three fabulous, things about demons
• 1:12:47
  that are put in job to convince those strange people out there
• 1:12:51
  that don't want to go and watch it watching.
• 1:12:54
  My first one is going to be the cinematography.
• 1:12:57
  I just think the lighting would like the colors.
• 1:13:01
  They choose for everything. It's just Absolutely beautiful.
• 1:13:04
  I thought I just don't think it gets much better than that at
• 1:13:06
  all in grade. My first one is going to be what
• 1:13:12
  I told you, the being the episode.
• 1:13:13
  Why this means so much to me. This is linked to a very
• 1:13:16
  profound moment in my life and it does remind me of it, but it
• 1:13:22
  reminds me of it in a very positive way.
• 1:13:26
  Strangely, you know, I'm reminds me of good times I had with my
• 1:13:31
  mom. Good conversations.
• 1:13:33
  Is and and her personal beliefs about deaf.
• 1:13:36
  So they are my first one. My next one is quite simple one,
• 1:13:41
  but I'm just going to go the setting like it took a brave,
• 1:13:46
  not brave. But just somebody with a new,
• 1:13:48
  take on Doctor Who to go. This is where I want to set a
• 1:13:50
  story and this is the story I want to tell there because they
• 1:13:55
  could have so easily been an alien invasion or the just
• 1:13:58
  happen to take place in India because we don't usually go to
• 1:14:01
  India. But That instead that they pick
• 1:14:05
  a piece of history and don't shy away from what a cruel and
• 1:14:08
  horrible time, it was marvelous and say were big so profound on
• 1:14:13
  this one. Okay.
• 1:14:14
  Yeah. I've made a few cock jokes as
• 1:14:16
  well, right? Yes, yeah, that's fine.
• 1:14:19
  People expect that, you know, but I am going to say, oh, good
• 1:14:25
  grief. Actually, I want to say Jodie
• 1:14:27
  Whittaker. Now I'm gonna say Jodie,
• 1:14:28
  Whittaker. I was going to say Bradley
• 1:14:31
  walked for that one scene, you know.
• 1:14:33
  But Jodie Whittaker perfectly tailored to this episode.
• 1:14:37
  She doesn't take the focus away from what's important that the
• 1:14:43
  doctor doesn't in. This is definitely part of an
• 1:14:46
  ensemble, but gets that fabulous moment where she gets to do the
• 1:14:52
  wedding ceremony. Yeah, perfect perfect.
• 1:14:55
  Jodi whisker flower and area. Discussing the power of love.
• 1:15:04
  Yes. No.
• 1:15:04
  She's she's fabulous and she's bringing in this.
• 1:15:07
  Yes. And my third and final one I was
• 1:15:10
  going to go for Graham to but I'm not I'm going to go for a
• 1:15:12
  dip I just think. Yeah as is issues the impetus
• 1:15:17
  for the whole story and like you say whenever she you cut back to
• 1:15:20
  her you get like even if she's not the most involved in the
• 1:15:25
  story. Her reactions are very truthful
• 1:15:27
  and honest so I'm going for Yasmin Khan.
• 1:15:31
  I want my last one is gonna be mad.
• 1:15:35
  It could be the location. I could be the music.
• 1:15:38
  It could be any of it couldn't. It could be that last.
• 1:15:40
  Brilliant. Dramatic, 10 minutes.
• 1:15:41
  But I'm actually going to say nanny is man who's into seems
• 1:15:49
  but makes an impact and I absolutely believe in that
• 1:15:52
  character and that performance and are still a crying shame.
• 1:15:56
  You know, she didn't turn up in resolution with a machine gun to
• 1:16:00
  take down that thought Alec, you know she would have been
• 1:16:02
  amazing. Oh it could have been there mr.
• 1:16:04
  The Wi-Fi family couldn't it, you know?
• 1:16:06
  Yeah. All those things would have
• 1:16:08
  helped. But I mean hopefully she'll get
• 1:16:11
  a big finish box set and the next, the next few years she
• 1:16:14
  could have been, like I've been playing online Scrabble with the
• 1:16:17
  wi is gone off somewhere? No, no she'sshe's great.
• 1:16:22
  As I mean, what can we say about this?
• 1:16:24
  Is it is brilliant. I genuinely would have no
• 1:16:28
  problem sitting down and watching it again.
• 1:16:31
  Right now, like I made that I loved it that much that I have.
• 1:16:35
  I mean this is technically the first time I've watched it today
• 1:16:39
  because I watched it once at the corner of my eye when I was
• 1:16:43
  working. And then I put it on again with
• 1:16:44
  the commentary because it's one of the few ones they've got a
• 1:16:47
  commentary on the Blu-ray. And then I've watched it again
• 1:16:51
  with you now and so, 3 times today, I don't quite know what
• 1:16:55
  that says, but, yeah, it's a lovely, lovely story.
• 1:16:59
  And I think everybody out there I should go out and enjoy it for
• 1:17:03
  what it is bizarrely. I like it's not want to go back
• 1:17:06
  to a lot and I've realized that serious Doctor Who's I don't
• 1:17:11
  really I, I watch over and over again I'm a doctor who fan, we
• 1:17:14
  watch these things 100 times, you know, beyond the point where
• 1:17:17
  we know every line and then we still watch it again.
• 1:17:20
  But like seriously, like case of androzani Genesis do things like
• 1:17:24
  that. I just like, they're never like,
• 1:17:25
  oh, you know, I'm just in the mood for Mass genocide to cheer
• 1:17:29
  me up. I'm just in the mood for, you
• 1:17:32
  know, racial politics but every time I do, watch this, it blows
• 1:17:38
  me away. And it reminds me it actually
• 1:17:40
  reminds me of when Sydney Newman create Doctor Who and said we
• 1:17:46
  could make this something for kids that impacts and educates,
• 1:17:53
  you know, and is proper drama for kids.
• 1:17:57
  Damn, it is you know, absolutely, I completely agree.
• 1:18:00
  It is it is right there. That original remix as chip nor
• 1:18:03
  said he took a lot from the doctors original remit and it is
• 1:18:07
  right there and I hope there are kids that saw that and learn
• 1:18:11
  something just about the history of India and indeed our, our
• 1:18:17
  part as a as the British nation and fucking it up.
• 1:18:21
  And basically, yeah, well, when I get much right, you know,
• 1:18:24
  honestly, I mean Britain produced you and me.
• 1:18:26
  Me. So I guess my bright future and
• 1:18:29
  Doctor Who and Doctor Who, here we go.
• 1:18:31
  Yeah. So we're people should be
• 1:18:33
  fucking grateful. This is those three things
• 1:18:35
  coming together entertainment and elucidation.
• 1:18:39
  Exactly. I don't know why.
• 1:18:41
  We don't have an Obe personally. Well I'm still I don't want to
• 1:18:46
  say the queen. I was it Charles honestly old
• 1:18:50
  sausage fingers. I was but you and I will be
• 1:18:59
  coming together. Next time to talk about another
• 1:19:03
  series. 11 story. Yes, we will.
• 1:19:05
  I'm going to be talking about it takes you away which is very
• 1:19:10
  exciting that that is my personal.
• 1:19:12
  Well, I would say it was my favorite on First Watch.
• 1:19:16
  I think now probably between this and demons of the Punjab
• 1:19:19
  and Rosa, and even the woman who fell to Earth, I think those are
• 1:19:24
  all vying for the same position, but I'm gonna have full favor.
• 1:19:26
  That's because you know what, I can't I mean this this is my
• 1:19:30
  favorite but I think this is my favorite area which her episode
• 1:19:34
  for the reasons are this way, but it takes you away and Rosa
• 1:19:38
  as well. I just think our Just absolute
• 1:19:41
  Classics to have three stonking Classics in one season.
• 1:19:46
  That's no, that's pretty good going, you know?
• 1:19:49
  Yeah, change amount of times. I've said to people that line of
• 1:19:53
  ribbons, you know, gets me in a lot of trouble from it, takes
• 1:19:55
  you away, when I reach one should be allowed, please hand
• 1:20:00
  me the most obscene things. You know, I love that character.
• 1:20:05
  So much me to massive alien, but I keep seeing him pictures that
• 1:20:09
  don't appear. I mean, who knows?
• 1:20:12
  Those things will appear on a Blu-ray box set in 20 years time
• 1:20:15
  and we'll find out who it was. It's fucking shit in that thing.
• 1:20:18
  I know, I know I'd love to say. I mean the mystery that
• 1:20:22
  surrounds this era and the secretiveness will only make for
• 1:20:26
  a more fascinating Glimpse now be some Eric's award in the
• 1:20:32
  production office, you know, way to spill the beans or it turns
• 1:20:36
  out. Jodie Whittaker was a tyrant.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah, I'd love one. Even more.
• 1:20:40
  Dude, she's Ellen DeGeneres. Thank you very much.
• 1:20:49
  You're very generous. Yeah, but will determine a time
• 1:20:53
  for, it's a sure way. I cannot wait meteors gonna be
• 1:20:56
  excited. Everybody.
• 1:20:58
  I mean, you're in for a rip-roaring ride when we take on
• 1:21:00
  all six episodes of the flux as well, five and a half hours of
• 1:21:03
  us. What more could anybody want?
• 1:21:06
  I can't wait and flux. You, you know it's gonna be
• 1:21:08
  absolutely You know, it's a dream come true, my baby
• 1:21:17
  anticlimax. Some people say that my eyes as
• 1:21:19
  well you know not me not me I lost episodes.
• 1:21:23
  Got that sontaran. You goes charcoal ads.
• 1:21:27
  What a guy? People say that Chris chibnall
• 1:21:30
  doesn't do comedy. Thank you very much.
• 1:21:41
  For your time, it's been. Thank you for having me any
• 1:21:44
  anytime Angela. I'm gonna go out, I'm going to
• 1:21:47
  play something to go out. You ready for this?
• 1:21:50
  Yeah, yeah. Well say goodbye but this is
• 1:21:54
  going to be the end of the episode.
• 1:21:55
  You ready? Okay, we go.
• 1:21:57
  I've got hope this plays, I'll be really embarrassed if it do.
• 1:22:58
  Love you, Mom. Love you, Mom.