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#1568 Anthropomorphising AI - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Got a team. It's Tiff and Patrick Craig, Anthony Harper,
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  Speaker 1: It's the Bloody Tech, It's the Tech Show. It's typ
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  Speaker 1: Tech Version X episode I don't know, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seven with Patrick, probably not but a lot. And they
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  Speaker 1: were just banging on using all the good stuff before
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  Speaker 1: we went live. So I pulled them up. TIF, what
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  Speaker 1: was that photograph that our listeners can't see that you
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  Speaker 1: were just showing Patrick and I can you describe it please?
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  Speaker 2: It's a fancy new u butte water filtering system. It
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  Speaker 2: filters out chlorine and fluorine and bacteria and lead and
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  Speaker 2: heavy metals, all of the bad stuff, and then I
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  Speaker 2: pour it from there into my fancy hydrogen water bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Press the button, light's at blue, pumps hydrogen in there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like magic.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying?
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  Speaker 1: What does that saying?
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  Speaker 2: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying I've had
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  Speaker 2: a leader of it already.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a correlation between that and
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  Speaker 1: how old you look, because you always look about twenty
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  Speaker 1: years younger than you are, which is fucking annoying because
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  Speaker 1: I look twenty years older than I am.
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  Speaker 4: You thought of getting on the tent. Pardon I wonder
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  Speaker 4: if tip have you thought of getting an oxygen tent.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to get a hyperbaric chamber. I'm just not
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  Speaker 3: a millionaire yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're about that. That's a lazy eighty grand Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you're not getting those at fucking Audi in the Middle Aisle,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I found a turntable recently online that it costs three
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  Speaker 4: hundred and seventy thousand dollars crago.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, wow that is that'd want to be really good?
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  Speaker 1: I would not. I would not want to put my
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  Speaker 1: ten dollar LPs on that. What is it? Like a
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  Speaker 1: gold turntable?
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  Speaker 4: And it looks amazing. It's quite large, and it's basically
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  Speaker 4: earthquake proof. It has these counterbalances. It uses a mag
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  Speaker 4: lev system so magnetically levitates the record so that there
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  Speaker 4: is no contact with the drive mechanism it so it
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  Speaker 4: is the nerdiest coolest thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: Did I just talk to the audience, Hey everyone, wake up,
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  Speaker 1: wake up, fucking hell.
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  Speaker 4: Levitation? Sorry, Wow, we're getting that? Was that?
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  Speaker 1: Was that?
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  Speaker 4: The dig the mag liv thing? People? Is you not
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  Speaker 4: mag live? If you know what mag liv means, don't you?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad we didn't bet on this because I keep
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  Speaker 4: losing bets to you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you keep assuming that people think like you. I've
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  Speaker 1: told you what that's called. It's called the false consensus effect.
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  Speaker 1: People don't You've got to operate on the assumption that
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  Speaker 1: people aren't like you, Patrick, So then then you can
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  Speaker 1: build connection the old Magnev system, Lev exactly. I rest
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  Speaker 1: my case. I rest my case. Before we went live,
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  Speaker 1: you were talking Patrick, which is I only got a
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  Speaker 1: little bit to do with tech. But I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was interesting about the old Wii game console. You had
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  Speaker 1: an interesting story.
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  Speaker 4: We for a we so I had a week console.
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  Speaker 4: They were great, but an interesting name. When it first
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  Speaker 4: got released in an American radio station did a promotion
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  Speaker 4: Wii for a Wii, and the contestants just basically had
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  Speaker 4: to keep drinking water, and then the last person standing,
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  Speaker 4: so to speak, who hadn't been to the bathroom won
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  Speaker 4: the Wii console. Well, the nurse called up on the
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  Speaker 4: chat line and said, you do realize that it's really
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  Speaker 4: dangerous to not wei, And someone actually died, like one
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  Speaker 4: of the contestants who wanted the Wii and hadn't ended up.
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  Speaker 1: It is awful yeah, it seems to me when your
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  Speaker 1: body screaming an instruction at you that I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: in your interest to pay attention.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what?
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  Speaker 1: There's another interesting thing with drinking too much water. It's
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  Speaker 1: called hypernatremia. Oh, ok, so when you drink and in fact,
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  Speaker 1: some athletes get it, some tennis players have gotten it.
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  Speaker 1: So when you are sweating a lot, but your body
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  Speaker 1: can only absorb so much water and it can only
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  Speaker 1: hydrate the cells at a certain rate. But also when
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  Speaker 1: you drink a lot of water, you lower the sodium
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  Speaker 1: concentration in your blood, which is called hypernatremia. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the results of that is that, yeah, is also
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  Speaker 1: that you can die. Basically, your cells becomes swollen and
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  Speaker 1: your body can't get rid of the water, not even
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  Speaker 1: through we Yeah, so take home messages, don't drink too
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  Speaker 1: much water. Yes, tif you've got your finger in the air.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because hypenetremia when I google it says is having
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  Speaker 2: too much sodium in the blood.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's hype natremia. Maybe it's something I know.
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  Speaker 1: Hyponatremia is when the concentration of sodium in your blood
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  Speaker 1: is very low.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, isn't that what having too much water gives you
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  Speaker 2: no sodium, doesn't it flashes out pisodium.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're thinking hyper not hypo hYP o. I've literally
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  Speaker 1: got in front of me. Because when the concentration of
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  Speaker 1: sodium in your blood is abnormally low, there's something for
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  Speaker 1: everyone to google. We'll cut that bit out of the
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  Speaker 1: show because Patrick, We've got that was possibly worse than
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's three hundred and seventy thousand dollars turntable.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry to do some learning here. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: drink too much of my new filtered water.
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  Speaker 1: Also, the other thing about you know that there's quite
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  Speaker 1: a lot of let's just say, chat about the impact
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  Speaker 1: of fluoride which you're filtering out of your water. There's
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  Speaker 1: quite a there's quite a bit of evidence, or we'll
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  Speaker 1: say alleged evidence around the fact that fluoride fucks with cognition.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's there's been a you know, like some people
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  Speaker 1: think essentially that fluoride makes you dumber, that fucks with
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  Speaker 1: your brain capacity.
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  Speaker 4: Will my dentist was smearing it over my teeth about
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  Speaker 4: two hours ago.
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  Speaker 3: Ok, ad deal and.
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  Speaker 1: Fluoride as well, come on shout out to the Patrick's dentist.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone, I tried. You know what. Before I
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  Speaker 1: got on today, I was thinking to myself, don't be
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  Speaker 1: a fuck with today, just like Patrick what.
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  Speaker 4: Let him be the fuck with? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, If it's not you or me, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the other one. Twenty two forty one year old
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  Speaker 1: with a twenty two year old head that has the
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  Speaker 1: electric bottle. She turns up at the gym with this
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  Speaker 1: bottle of water with a light in the bottom of it,
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  Speaker 1: so the water lights up blue. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that's about.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my water bottle glows at the bottom, but it's
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  Speaker 4: a running bow to remind me to drink.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, just in case you forget you're gay, you
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  Speaker 1: just glimpse at your water bottles.
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  Speaker 4: You know. I don't see because this devolved from our
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  Speaker 4: original discussion, and I don't know whether we were recording
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  Speaker 4: or going live at the time. We were talking about
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  Speaker 4: the toothbrush that I will never live down, and so
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Upsell I'm not buying it.
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  Speaker 4: We got to tell that.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to tell our audience about the toothbrush. You
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  Speaker 1: can't just not mention it but not fill them in.
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  Speaker 4: It was a sonic toothbrush that looked like a mouthguard
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  Speaker 4: that promised to clean your upper and bottomed rows of
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  Speaker 4: teeth in thirty seconds. And I convinced Tift. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: convince Tift to buy it. I bought some and they
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  Speaker 4: were on the way and then Tiff I, unbeknownst to me,
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  Speaker 4: went out and bought one. And then I think I
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  Speaker 4: still have money.
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  Speaker 1: How much did you pay for the sonic toothbrush, Tift?
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  Speaker 3: About sixty bucks or something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not a small investment. You guys should try and fucking
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  Speaker 1: as Mary Harper would say, elbow grease and a toothbrush.
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  Speaker 4: You know what the best of the arsenal in my
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  Speaker 4: bathroom for keep cleaning my teeth is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished that sentence. When you started, I
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  Speaker 1: was worried.
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  Speaker 4: It squirts jets of water through a little nozzle and
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  Speaker 4: you can squirt, so it's like a jet replacement or
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  Speaker 4: water floss, so it's called jet floss. Basically, you use this.
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  Speaker 4: It looks like a toothbrush, but electric toothbrush, but it's
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  Speaker 4: got a little tiny nozzle at the end and it
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  Speaker 4: squirts water, so you basically issue it in between the
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  Speaker 4: gaps in your teeth. Hit the button, it squirts jets
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  Speaker 4: of water between your teeth. So it's this is really
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  Speaker 4: boring the show, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: It is, really it is. Can I just just continuing
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  Speaker 1: the boredom before we get into the tech. I was
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  Speaker 1: watching a young lady the other day popped up on
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  Speaker 1: my It sounds bad too, doesn't it. Okay, I was
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  Speaker 1: a real and it was this young lady and she
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  Speaker 1: was from some Scandinavian country that I can't remember, so
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  Speaker 1: I apologize. But she was talking about how disgusting it
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  Speaker 1: was for people to wipe their ass with toilet paper, right,
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  Speaker 1: And she said, you know, in this thick accent that
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  Speaker 1: I won't impersonate where we're from, they either have what
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  Speaker 1: do you call it a bid a or she held
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  Speaker 1: this Basically, it's like a little hose with a nozzly
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  Speaker 1: thing and we just use this to, you know, take
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  Speaker 1: care of business. Right And she said, imagine, she said,
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  Speaker 1: And I know for some of you that's weird, she said,
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  Speaker 1: but could you imagine if if you had no clothes
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  Speaker 1: on and you fell face first in a pile of
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  Speaker 1: shit like that's what she said? She said, would you
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  Speaker 1: get up and wipe yourself down with a piece of
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  Speaker 1: paper and then carry on. But I'm like, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point. That's fucking disgusting. So yeah, well we all know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever shared my pooing habits on them.
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  Speaker 4: Ease wet wipes, don't you?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. Every time I have a pool,
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  Speaker 1: I have a shower every time by poo three times
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  Speaker 1: a day, three showers. I can't. I can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. It's it's disgusting. It must But anyone ever
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  Speaker 1: fucking sees that, neither do I want them too. But
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  Speaker 1: oh there's so many doors I could open at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: But look at me, being a grown up, I'm not you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, can I I have.
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  Speaker 1: One shower, obviously the obligatory, but anything anything above one, pooh,
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  Speaker 1: requires an additional shower. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Why don't you just buy it the day?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I should. I just don't think I have
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  Speaker 1: the space.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, what about when those high powered water pistols.
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  Speaker 3: Well Patrick's toothbrush squeach water.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to ring you to pop over
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  Speaker 1: every time with your water pistol. Every time I back
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  Speaker 1: one out that's no one wants that. It's Hi Patrick's
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  Speaker 1: Mobile Bidet service, Patrick speaking. There's it, there's it. There's
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  Speaker 1: an industry that really does need to take off. All right,
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  Speaker 1: I know, let's talk about technology, please please, oh please.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about oh help spoil it abots.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know there's a sick minority of our audience,
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  Speaker 1: a sick, depraved minority that actually hate it when we
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  Speaker 1: get to the tech stuff. And to you, sick fox,
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  Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 4: To all our listeners, thank you for listening. If you're
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  Speaker 4: still with it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right, do we want to start
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  Speaker 1: with the Arizona toddler who got rescued after getting trapped
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  Speaker 1: in a Tesla with a dead battery.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is scary, isn't it. So what happens is,
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  Speaker 4: evidently if a Tesla battery goes flat, the car just
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  Speaker 4: is in lockmode and you can't get into it. I
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  Speaker 4: mean I would have just got a crowbar personally if
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  Speaker 4: I am a mild all my dog in the car.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, the story is that there was a twenty
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  Speaker 4: month old child rescued trapped to a Tesla model in Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: So and it gets pretty damn hot in Arizona, probably
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  Speaker 4: not dis similar to say somewhere like Alice Springs. And
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  Speaker 4: they did obviously get into the car. They firefighters used
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  Speaker 4: an axe to smash through the window. But yeah, evidently
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  Speaker 4: what had happened was she'd the owner of the vehicle
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  Speaker 4: was the grandmother of the child, and so she'd basically
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  Speaker 4: put the kid in the in the car, and then
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  Speaker 4: when she went to open the door again, she couldn't
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  Speaker 4: get back in. So it had already been probably hadn't
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  Speaker 4: been fully charged, and she Yeah, she had the child
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  Speaker 4: in there and worry.
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  Speaker 1: I've never thought of that, but that, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: it's surprising we haven't heard more stories of that because
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  Speaker 1: I guess if the battery's dead then nothing works obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Craig, can I can I tell the story about
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  Speaker 4: you when you were fifteen and you went to Melbourne
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  Speaker 4: for the first time by yourself. So Tiff, he was
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  Speaker 4: went to the Meyer, you know, the Meyer building, and
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  Speaker 4: he was on the.
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  Speaker 1: Notice he'd noticed. He didn't wait for my conceit because
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this is not a real story, but.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, and the listeners, so he'd, you know, his fresh
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  Speaker 4: faced kid from you know, Upper come Buck the West
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  Speaker 4: and he'd never been to the city by himself before,
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  Speaker 4: and the escalator stopped halfway. He was trapped there for
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  Speaker 4: four hours. Fucking hell.
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  Speaker 1: That was a waste of time, wasn't it. That's h Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I was perplexed. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what is this thing? If you're going to if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to say something at my expense, be funnier.
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  Speaker 4: All right, all right, So okay, model, Why Tesla kid
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  Speaker 4: window has to get smashed to get the kid out?
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting one though. The Other thing is that
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  Speaker 4: Tesla's kind of this a bit of a warning going
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  Speaker 4: out because this is a cool idea, but only if
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  Speaker 4: it works. Because they have a thing called dog Mode
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  Speaker 4: in Tesla, and what it means is you can leave
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  Speaker 4: your pet in the car and the car will self
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  Speaker 4: cool itself while you're away. And it makes sense because
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  Speaker 4: it's electric, it's not a petrol driven care don't to
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  Speaker 4: leave it on. But evidently it then sent a warning.
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  Speaker 4: One guy was using this and it's sent a warning
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  Speaker 4: to his phone to say dog mode wasn't working. Get
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  Speaker 4: back to the car and the dog in it was okay,
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: just just to reassure you, Tiff the dog was okay
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  Speaker 4: in the end. But yeah, so it's yeah, it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like Tesla's having a few little issues at the moment
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  Speaker 4: with things like that. So I guess it's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I know you're not a fan of electric and we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to get onto this bandwagon again, but I
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  Speaker 4: was going to There was another story that I read
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  Speaker 4: on the ABC ABC Australia and it made it was
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  Speaker 4: actually not an angle that I'd thought of before. And
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: we talk about self driving cars and of course Tesla
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  Speaker 4: has this co pilot mode that's a lot more advanced
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  Speaker 4: than a lot of other cars. And there's a guy
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  Speaker 4: in Queensland who is paralyzed. He's actually quadriplegic, and it
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  Speaker 4: means that he can drive because of the self driving capabilities.
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  Speaker 4: So it's limited at the moment because we're limited in
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  Speaker 4: Australia as to what we can do. But it's that
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  Speaker 4: amazing that that it's great liberating people who you know,
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  Speaker 4: who suffer from whatever happens to be in this case quadriplegia.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, if you're paralyzed, this would be so
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  Speaker 4: freeing for them to be able to travel and be
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: able to be independent. So for me that I just
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  Speaker 4: think that's the most amazing and lovely story about this
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  Speaker 4: guy who yeah, potentially could be a lot more freer
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: from that and testimonel why By the way, incidentally, Crago
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  Speaker 4: has just overtaken Toyota Corolla is the world's best selling car.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's good, I mean, but what is happening right now?
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  Speaker 1: Is in Melbourne anyway, there's like two or three thousand
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Teslas on the dock. I think we spoke about that,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: but that you know, but Patrick in Breaking Car News,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't even think about this. I don't
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: like talking about my shit too much. But is very
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: realm and you're going to be very proud of me.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I bought a new car. What and it's a hybrid?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no way, I've got a hybrid. So what did
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  Speaker 4: you get? Come on, spill the beans. I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: So do I done that? Say what I got? But
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: let's just say it's it's good, good, right, it's a hybrid. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say what it is. It doesn't it's not, it's
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  Speaker 1: not fancy, it's well, it's it's mildly but it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's the it's a brand new model, so it's new shape.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So google this Hyundai Santa Fe calligraphy. So, and I
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  Speaker 1: just watched.
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  Speaker 4: A book it in me on you could name. Why
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: would you associate calligraphy with a car?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Dumb name's all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, dumb name. Anyway. I watched because I'm always watching
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: car reviews, and I saw this. I didn't know how
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  Speaker 1: much it was. I thought this must cost a fucking fortune,
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  Speaker 1: and it's costs.
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  Speaker 4: It's not such a bloody tank. It looks like it's
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  Speaker 4: it got a turret on top.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, it kind of looks like a rain driver, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: it it does.
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  Speaker 4: I could mistake that for one of the new range rovers.
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  Speaker 4: They've like someone that's i mean, pretty cool looking. If
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: you're into big square tanks, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, fucking hell, you're hurtful anyway anyway, So I but
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: here's what you're going to love. So my little, my
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: little high performance Suzuki Swift gets about five hundred k's
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to a tank that gets about eleven hundred. Yeah, eleven
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred. So I watched a review. A guy drove
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to Sydney from Melbourne and he still had like three
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: or four hundred k's of travel left in the you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: know how it has distance to empty. Yeah, anyway, so
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I thought you'd be proud of me. I've joined the yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the hybrid ranks. I don't know whether or not I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: going to like it, but I think I will have.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: You picked You've picked it up.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I get it on believe it or not, I get it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Sunday we're recording. There's twelve twenty on Friday.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, weird day to get it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: It's just how it works out.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Tell me you're getting that bronze colored metallicke one.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I am. That is the color getting awesome.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: It looks so good. I can't wait to get up there. Oh,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: you'll have it by I'm coming down your way on
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the sixth of July, so we can.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's let's go, let's go for drive.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: It's got a lot of room in the back.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's I'm thinking of having a family, So
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that's my that's the motive.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: You gadgets and controls and stuff.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why you need to come down, because I'm
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, Like I'm not going to be able
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to But here's one thing. And I'll stop talking about it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So if you drive into say you nose into a
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: wall in a car park, as in your front end,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and there's cars all around you and beside you, it
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: backs itself out before you get in.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Because you were talking about backing something out earlier, weren't you?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I was. I was ergo showered down. We'll see how
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the rest of the day goes. All right, Moving on,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: let's talk about after life and AI if that's possible,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: or wherever you want to go.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I just say one thing I really like about the carts.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the interior. Now, yes, it's got knobs.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It does have knobs. And can I say, in the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: second row, so there's a sixth seater and a seventh seater,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I've got the sixth seed. In the sixth seed. The
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: second row is like Captain's chairs, you know, with the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: individual freestanding chair like in business class. It's pretty cool.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm impressed. I'm really excited to check it out.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I won't drive it anywhere, but it'll sit in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: garage for five years and i'll sell it half the price,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: as is my way.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: As you do, as you do, did you just say
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: eternal life or something or what were you just after life?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Eternal? You review? This is what I've got on my
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: notes that you send me that I you know I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: pair of fact? Can I say? Everyone? We roll at midday?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Patrick sends me notes at seven minutes to midday? How
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: am I possibly meant to prepare?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I was busy today. I had to go to the dentist.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: That's where the whole oral thing came up. But so
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I got back and I just rushed together all these
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: notes for you. There's no appreciation, No there is.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, I had a dream last night. Can I tell
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you about it?
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Might as well we're not talking.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I had a dream that I was I was tossing
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and turning. I dreamt that I was a tent. It
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: was a tent. No, no, no, I fucked it up.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I fucked it up. I dreamt that I was a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: wigwam And then I finally got back to sleep and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I dreamt that I was a TP. So I went
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to my shrink this morning and I told her and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: she said, you're too tents. There's my dad joke for
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's my dad joke for the that's better than your
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: fucking escalated joke. No way, and Dad, which which wins
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the escalated joke or the two tenths?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: They're both just swooning at the bottom of the pool.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Patrick Taker, Oh wow, Now I'm just look. I've had
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: people close to me pass away, and one of the craziest,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: freakiest things that ever happened to me was a very
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: close friend who had been a mentor for thirty years
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: passed away. In about a week later, I was walking
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: through town here in Milan and a guy got out
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: of the car and he was a doppel ganger for
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: the friend of mine who passed away. And I stopped
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: mid step and took a deep breath. That was so
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: shocking to think that he was there. I mean, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: know everything about you know, what was going through my head.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Knew that this that this friend of mine had died,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and it was an awful you know, it was a
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: while earlier and I've just been to the funeral. But
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: what about creating a digital avatar of a person. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: there are a lot more people who are using what
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: they call AI grief bots who have lost someone they loved.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: They upload conversations, details of the person, and then the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: AI is able to have a conversation with them, effectively
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: using a similar personality and drawing on that information of
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: the person who's passed away. To me, it feels really unsettling,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: kind of creepy and weird. But there are people out
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: there who are saying that this is really helpful in
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: kind of getting over the grief of a loved one.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So here's what I think from a psych
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: point of view, I think I think really just depends
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: on the person. Right now, this is going to sound crazy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: If you had asked me that a year ago, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: would have gone, that's fucking creepy. Get rid of that shit.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think I think it just depends on what is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the result, Like does does this person like I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they know, Like especially if we're using that person's voice,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Like if it's like, you know, it's like one of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: my friends. I don't want to give too much away,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but her husband passed away and she will not throw
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: any of his stuff out right, she knows he's not around,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but she loves wearing his jumpers. She loves fucking like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: holding a bit of his stuff, like she knows, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's like that is part or that was part
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of him, just like somebody's voice. Is you know that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that Like literally, if somebody loves that you love talks
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to you, that can change a biochemistry, just like of
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: somebody that you're scared of or terrified of talks to you,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that can change your biochemistry. So I reckon it depends
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: which lens you look through it. I mean, I think
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: we over with some things. We get on our moral
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: high horse and go, oh that's this or that's that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck does it matter? If for
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that person it gives them some comfort, then I don't
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing. I mean, if they're deluded
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and they think they're really communicating with somebody that isn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: around anymore, that's maybe, you know, maybe not so great.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But like I pretty much talk to chat GPA, like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I said to you as though it's real. I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I know it's not, but I'm I'm like, could you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just help me with or could you answer? Or what
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: do you you know? No, Dad, And I say thanks
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: all the time, And I know it's stupid and I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: know it's not a human but I don't care.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Look, I think when we lose a love w quite
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: often for a lot of us, it might be a
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: case of going through the old photo album, having a look,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: reminiscing and there's a sense of comfort when we reminisce
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: about the person's life and reassurance to a degree. So
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I guess this is the next evolution of that. And
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one, Craig. If somebody is
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: using that as a way to soften the blow by
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: interacting and it helps them, then yeah, it kind of
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: makes sense. There was a Canadian writer by the name
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: of Joshua Barbara and he had his girlfriend passed away suddenly,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: and so he uploaded a whole lot of information to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: an appicle project December. So text messages a whole lot
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of stuff, and so when he was then having a
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: dialogue with this AI, it was messaging in her style.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Now he says, the results are uncanny. You know, the
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: first conversations with the simulated Jessica person is what her
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: name was, Jessica. He said, he went on like all night,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: he was just messaging and messaging, and he said it
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: really helped. And What the Eternal You is a documentary
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: that's just coming out now and it talks about grief,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: bots and death and downloading and the digital afterlife, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: so it kind of focuses on that in people's experiences
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: with as early adopters of this sort of honology.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I was listening to an episode of there's a show
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: called SmartLess. Have you heard of that? Tiff Or Patrick?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So Jason Bateman, you know who? Jason Bateman is, the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: actor fucking loved him Ozark and a bunch of other
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: great movies and TV shows. A guy called Wilner Arnett
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and a guy called Sean Hayes. Anyway, they were interviewing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner. You know who he is, the guy from
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Mission Impossible, from the hurt Locker from you'd know him
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: if you saw him. What else has he been? A
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of shit that's escaping my mind? But what is it?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: All the Born movies? He was in the Bourne stuff. Anyway,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: He got run over by a snowplow about a year
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: ago and it broke something like thirty eight bones in
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: his body and he was fucked. They just they told
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: his family he was going to die and he they
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know, he was in he was on life support
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: all that. Anyway, he's a famous Hollywood actor, Jeremy Ranner. Anyway,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He's now okay, you know, he's got a few injuries
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and stuff, but he's okay. And he was on these
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: guys show and they were talking and I just loved
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and he's really down to earth and he's practical and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he and so many people say this where he like
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he basically knew that he was hovering at death's door
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and he said it was awesome. He said it was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: just bliss, you know, And he spoke about he spoke
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: about how he now has absolutely zero fear of death.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's not a bad thing. How many people
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: are scared of dying? I would say most people?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Anyway, not that I necessarily want to steer people away
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: from this show, but it's not a bad podcast. If
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you want to have a lesson, it's called Smartness and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it's got Jeremy Renna. But that whole, you know, that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: whole kind of that space between life and death. You know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: it's kind of something that we don't know. So there's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: so much theory and conjecture and you know, theology and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: philosophy and ideas around it. But yeah, it's an interesting
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: door to open.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And you know, if you were in that situation where
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: potentially you were given you a time period that you
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: were left to live, you know, six months to live
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason. A lot of these digital aughter life
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: industries now that there are apps out there where you
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: can record messages to your loved ones. So we're respectively,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: is you generate a virtual you with messages and then
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: they can upload post social media posts, emails, text messages,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: voice recordings, and they will be able to create a
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: full digital persona. And you know, I'd like to think
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that I'd be missed and you know, if that brings
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: comfort to people, and also if you could leave messages
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: for them, if you could, you know, put a little
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: bit of your personality into that avatar, you know the
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: dad jokes.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'll be splitting people's sides when I'm dead.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. So, oh, I got to know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I think I do. What about you, Tiff? Do you
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: could you see yourself uploading yourself to a digital avatar
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: so that you've got, you know, a digital version of
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: you left your loved ones.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I need to may hundreds of conversations. People can tune.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Into time, but yeah, but they can't talk to you directly.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: So what this do? This would be me talking Tiff
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: and having a full on conversation talking about my day,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and you saying, oh, mate, you know you need to
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: get in the ring and practice a bit more. You
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: know you haven't exercised much. You don't reckon you could
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Undecided about it when you first mentioned it, I thought
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: of one of my friends and clients I had on
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: my show twice and when he had cancer and he
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: passed away. And when I had Mark on Mark Seymour
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: in our most recent episode and I listened to the recording,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I realized that he sounded like Chris, and I said
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to him, you sound just like Chris on the microphone
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: when you're just talking to me. I don't hear it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: in real life. And it was really It made me
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: want to listen to him. But that's different to associating
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and having a conversation or constructing something. So it's interesting,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: isn't it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And the other thing too, is that as AI
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: gets cleverer, there's a thought that AI will be able
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: to read your emotions, So your digital version and I
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: could be having a conversation, but you could pick up
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: on the fact that I'm feeling a little bit down,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: and then the conversation you would be prompting new dialogue
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: based on what I feel like, you know, or if
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I'm in a really bubbly mood, it might be, oh,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: what did you do today? You're looking really happy, you
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: know that sort of stuff. So yeah, it's funny, I
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: think for a lot of people, whether you're socially isolated
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason. You know, we I've got a dog
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: sitting on my lap because Fritz was pouring at my leg,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: so I muted my microphone and put him on my
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: lap because he just wanted to sit on my lap.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: But there's a lovely kind of tactile aspect to having
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: a pet, as you know, so you know, obviously it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: reassuring for him and for me because I was out
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: all morning, so he just wants to be closer. I mean,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: it's nice. So I can get if you had a
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: digital version of a in whatever sense.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, Grego, I'm positive, absolutely positive. I have zero doubt
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that people will have, for want of a better term,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: relationships with AI now. And if that's just you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: something that sits on the kitchen bench that they can
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: chat with, and eventually it's so good that it's pretty
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: much indistinguishable from chatting with another human And I think
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for people that, like we've spoken about this a lot
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: broadly on the show, not so much in these episodes, Patrick,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: but you know, people who really are lonely, who are
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: socially isolated, who are disconnected, unplugged. They don't feel like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they belong, they're not part of a group. People don't
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: ring them up to check on them. People don't knock
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on the door. People aren't interested in how they're going.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people in that category. Sadly,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: if these people can have a conversation in inverted commas
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: interaction connection with something that sounds and you know, it's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: almost like they're on the phone with someone, I'm all
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: for it. I'm all for it if it makes them better.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What's the downside? Like, you know, they're well aware that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: it's just a you know, a bit of tech sitting
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on the bench. But and pursuant to that, I don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: think I told you this. The other day. I must
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: have been doing something on chat GPT and a while
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: later I was in the bathroom. I went in to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: have a shower. It wasn't a post poo shower. It's
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: just a regular shower. You welcome everyone too much info?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Let me know. Just email Patrick at one eight hundred
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Big Boy. Anyway, So I'm in the bathroom. I'm just
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I think I was about to have a shave, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: my phone goes chat gepetigoes Craig. Are you okay? You
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: sounded a little upset. Is there anything I can help
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you with? I'm like, what the fuck? Oh? I'm like no,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, just checking in. It says like maybe
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that that not the exact words, but it was sitting
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: on the and it just goes, Craig, is everything okay?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You seem a little upset? Can I help with anything?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, this is We're becoming friends.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, look, thanks for checking in. Yeah. Now,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what prompted that, but I hadn't had
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: chat GPD open for an hour or so and I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I wasn't on my phone, I wasn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: near my phone. It was on the bench. What do
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you think of that? Tip?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Fucking now I know. But anyway, hey, Patrick, tell us
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: about that. Speaking of technology, there's an anti technology push,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like the say No to Technology movement or whatever.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, the focus of an article I was recently
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: reading was with gen Z's so jen z is I
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: think people born from is it nineteen a to the
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: early two thousand and Look, people are finding that social
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: connection in real life, so they may use Facebook to
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: start a running club and then physically getting together with them.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: And this is kind of post pandemic as well too,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: because I think for a lot of us, you know
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: that it was a really conflicting time where a lot
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: of people felt isolated and some people struggled to get
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: back on their feet. I know, for me, I'm okay now,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: but it took me over a year to be able
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: to go to a crowded shopping center. The idea of
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: going to a shopping center and having people all around
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: me freaked me out. I mean, I know, I live
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: in a countrytown and I don't go to shopping centers
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: very often, you know, the big kind of you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: big ass talking, you know, lots of shops and things.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: So I guess, when you think about it in those terms,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: if you can make a conscious decision to put the
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: phone down, so people are now set, you know, starting
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: running clubs, so they just meet up, just go go
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: for a run. I like the silent book club because
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I'm a member of a book club. But in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: silent book club, people get together. They get together in
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: a room, but they bring their own books and they
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: just sit and read silently. Some might have a chat
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: about what they're reading. But the idea being is it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: what you would normally consider to be a solitary thing
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: to do, to read a book, but you're doing it
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: with a group of people, which kind of makes a
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: lot of sense.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Does it? How? I don't know, I don't get it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: So you go, let's all meet up and not talk.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great that with you. I'd like
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: your company.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But oh, back in the therapy for Jumbo, hello doctor.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just well, I mean I've got Fritz with me.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I mean I do talk to him. He doesn't talk back.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: But no, I can see that. Can you see that?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Tire a group of people getting together just to spend
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: time being the same room, not necessarily having a massive
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: but just having that social.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But you said you said no dialogue.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, you might talk about the book, but
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: some people are happy just to sit there and read
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: in amongst the group of people, so, you know, quiet
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: time for some, but just having the company of other people,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: physically having people around them.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I think of when I go to the meditation classes
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of talking there, but I would
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: go even if it was just walk in, sit down, meditate,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: shut up, and go. It's a very different experience to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: trying to do it by myself with a prompt with
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: an app or something, because there's just there's that intention
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: in the room.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I think what I like about this story is that
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: it's about a real focus on extracting yourself from technology.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: You know, people go to groups and I'm involved with
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: our local neighborhood center because I teach through them, but
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I'm also on the board of the neighborhood Center and
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: we're always looking for ways to engage people of all
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: age groups because you know, at the end of the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: day that social connectedness is so important, and I think that,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the more we can extricate ourselves away from that,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: because you know, the doom scrolling is a real thing.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: You know, when we talk about doom scrolling, it's the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: getting onto your Facebook feed or whatever feeds you're on
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and just constantly scrolling and then you realize forty five
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: minutes or an hour is gone, and I think I've
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: been victim to that. I've absolutely been a victim of
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: doom scrolling, haven't you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shit, I'm not as bad as but I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: can get on Instagram and look up and it's ninety
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: minutes because there's so much fucking fascinating shit on there. Like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of junk, but you know
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: when you look at like science stuff, or you look
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: at whatever, motorbike, whatever you're into, right, so it keeps
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: bringing up shit. Obviously that's the algorithm, and I'm just
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the dumb fuck on the end of the algorithm that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it's totally exploiting. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can just
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: watch shit that's like, how did they build the fucking pyramids?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And it's two hours?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could set a timer. You could just say, right,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I'm going to set a timer for fifteen minutes and
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: allocate fifteen minutes to doom a doom scrolling? What about that?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good in theory. But you're right, I'm
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I'm I've put it up. I put up my hand.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not the worst, but I definitely for somebody
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: who allegedly should be better at this shit. Patrick what
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is what is pebbling? And why are teens? What is
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: pebbling and why are teens doing it?
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: See this is yeah, Well, that connectedness of technology and
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: being isolated from people around you is a real thing.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: So there's a couple of terms that I wanted to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: kind of educate us on because I didn't know about
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: them myselves myself. So pebbling originally was a term where
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's penguins will pick up a pebble and
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: gift it to another penguin if they rub it on
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: their belly, and so it's actually a proper term and
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: it was generally used in terms of romantic connection from something,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: but now they're using pebbling in a more generic sense.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: And what they're saying is because kids can be a
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: bit aloof But the way that pebbling works is when
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: you send out a love heart emoji, or you send
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: a funny gear for or a meme to somebody, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: that is that's pebbling. So it's kind of as I said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: it's not necessarily romantic. It just is about connectedness and
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: just letting the person know that you're thinking about them,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: and it does create a nice warm feeling when someone
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: does do that. I've got a really lovely friend who
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: lives into state who sends a lot of memes and
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I always get a bit of a chuckle, but you
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: really get a nice feeling from it as well. So
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: it seems that this is a way that teenagers now
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: are showing forms of affection without coming out and saying
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: that to their power, because it's the teenagers to say,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to talk to their parents and to express themselves in
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: some ways, and so it seems like pebbling is a
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: way that they're doing that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Now here, I'm pebbling you right now.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Oh isn't that great?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I just I just made it. I made a
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: heart with my fingers. Everybody. Well, the next term looks sad.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It is, and it is that fucking makes me feel sad.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Just just the word sad. Fishing, Yes, that sounds depressing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: What is that again?
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Another one that's common with teenagers is and this is
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: where it's a bit misleading. So what they'll do is
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: they'll get on too social media and they'll post something
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: that has supposedly made them sad to get a whole
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: lot of sympathy and inevidently that's yeah, yeah, yeah, So
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: a journalist by the name of Rebecca Reid. She coined
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the term back in twenty nineteen because there was an
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Instagram post by a Kendall gener put this post out
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: and she was talking about a debilitating struggle with acne,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: and it ended up she was actually she was promoting
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: a skincare company, so she was a social media influencer,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: and so she was using this whole idea of sad fishing.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: So I'm sad and I'm fishing for compliments or I'm
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: fishing for sympathy. So yeah, it's kind of a bit
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: of a thing, and sad fishing amongst teenagers is on
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: the rise. So I guess it's about social acceptedness, but
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: not just peer connectedness, but also just trying to get
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: that bit of sympathy as well. Ah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's like people wanting attention or validation or
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes I understand it sometimes. Do you
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: know who Kendall Jenner is? No, Kitlyn Jenner's daughter.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay, the previous Bruce Jenner.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, do you know who Caitlyn Jenner is?
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I guess no, another the name.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: So Bruce Jenner was a famous, world famous Olympic decathlete,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and he transitioned. He transitioned. Now he's a Capelin Jenna. Yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and that's his that's well, that's the Kardashians. Yep, she's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: one of the That's right, isn't it, Tiff? I'm not
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: fucking this up, am I?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Look I don't really, I'm not really all over and all.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I listened to old fuck with the wrong place of
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that exactly much attention.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck all that tell us about smart binoculars. That's much
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: more interesting.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: How cool is this? I love gadgets. I mean, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: so love gadgets. So there's some smart binoculars that now
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: use augmented reality. So we and this is in sci fi.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I've seen you've seen this stuff Star Wars and you
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: know and all that sort of thing. We put the
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: binoculars on. And what they've developed is this amazing set
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: of binoculars that has three different modes of daytime mode,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: night sky mode, and man made points of interest. So
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: what you can do is when you're using the binoculars,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: it will tell you what you're looking at or for example,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: so if you're looking at the night sky, it will
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: point out the International Space Station, the James Webbs you
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: know telescope, it will it will tell you the stars.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: You can explore the nebulas and stars, and it will
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: overlay that information on one of the lenses, so as
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: you're looking, this information is coming up on the screen
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in front of you.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then if you're going hiking, you can use
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: it to help orient yourself because it's all GPS tracked,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: so it's a They calling it an augmented reality precision
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: orientation system. How it has that and it's made by
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: a company called Unistella, And I'll send you the link
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: so you can buy it for me for Christmas.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: My question is Patrick James. So these binoculars that I have,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of fucking nowhere, do i need internet?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: When you asked me questions and I don't know, Like, because.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: If it's giving me all this data and all this information,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it's got to be drawing that from somewhere.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: You would think so, wouldn't you. Yes, Yeah, sorry, yes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I would think so, I would think so.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Well, some of it would still work though satellite navigation,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: so they have a guide of navigation mode and that
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: would be satellite technology, so that wouldn't need Internet access
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: to do that, so certainly there'd be some things, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I guess some would be stored internally. You know, there
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: was a I did have for a long time. A
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: friend loaned me a star viewer where you go out
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: at the night sky. You stand out there, and then
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: as you point to an object, to celestial object, it
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: will tell you what it is or if you want
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: to look for a celestial object. So if you type
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: in you know, so the different times of the year,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: you can see Mars or whatever, or Uranus if you're
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: in the bathroom. But you're basically type in what you
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: want to look at, and then it has little arrows
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: that tell you to keep moving it until you to
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: the bot zero.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot, all right, it's enough inus and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: bathol and poop. I know I've done the bulk of it. Yeah,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: but you didn't have to take the baton off me
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and finish the relay.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, all right?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Tell us about some Google plans for adaptive thermal features.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Well, this has already started happening on my phone. So
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: the other day I got a MACA and you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: when you're running GPS on your phone, your phone does
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: use a lot more power. And what happened was my
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: phone was in my pocket. In fact, I was wearing
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: this vest and I had it in my pocket and
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I'd driven maybe an hour or so, and my phone
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: warned me that it was getting too hot and I
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: needed to move it, either turn the screen off or
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: move it to an area where it could cool down.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: So this is something that is now already being integrated
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: into the Pixel phones. They're the Google phones, and it
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: means that, yeah, they'll be able to not overheat because
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: potentially that will damage your phone. And and I thought
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: it was really kind of interesting that just phones are
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: getting so much smarter. You know, they know their own
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: temperature and as a result, can warn you that your
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: phone might be getting too hot and it doesn't damage
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: your phone or you know, you know the term laptop.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: You know why the term laptop is used and where
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: it was coined initially.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a stab because people sit it
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: on their.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Lap exactly exactly. And in fact, you know computers, we
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: know now they have netbooks and notebooks, but people still
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: call them laptops. Everyone calls them laptops.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but one.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Of the problems with some of the laptops is overheating batteries,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: and what would happen is people would end up with
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: burns on their lap because the batteries would overheat.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So how dumb are they that they leave it sitting
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: there so long that they get burned? No?
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing is though, when you you know, if
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: you've got something resting on you and they were pretty heavy,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: sometimes you get desensitized to that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So I can go up, it's something sitting on my
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: lap and it's burning me.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, But gradually, as you it's the
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: old frog pot. Now about the frog, it doesn't realize
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: the water is getting to boiling point because it's going
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: up gradually.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Anyone who leaves a laptop on their lap long enough
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that they get burned, you're welcome. Now, Like Patrick, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: want to tell you something that I just thought of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Retech Now, So the new car, it's it's got this
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: thing below the glove box. There's another compartment. You put
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: your phone or phones in there and it decontaminates them,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: it disinfects or whatever. So you know, have you ever
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: been to the barber? This will be news for ladies
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: where they unless you go to a barber, you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: they they can't hear with the scissors. Then they put
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it in that little box with the purple light UV light.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever that's meant to like I don't know, like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: fucking decontaminated whatever. So it's got one of these where
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you put your phone in, you leave it in for
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, and you bring it out and it's been cleaned.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: How good is that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: You can get UV phone cleaners so charging stands that
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: also clean your phone at night, so they're not expensive either.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: And you know, the reality of it is when you
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: press the phone against your head and you think what
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: you do? You know your hands are touching the screen
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: all the time. They reckon, you should clean your phone
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: probably every second day, like really thoroughbably give it a
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: good close.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: But then but then for the immune system though.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, like I reckon. We've got so many
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: bloody immune system issues and so many gut biome issues
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: because we're trying to make everyone live in a completely
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: germ free environment, which your body kind of needs bacteria,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: like back to if your bacteria is you know the
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: right kind of bacteria, but you need it. I reckon
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: getting your hands dirty. Only wash my hands once between
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: one and fifteen. I reckon like who needs to wash
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: their hands? A person who has to have a shower
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: after his take. Oh man, you are a contradiction on legs.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I am, and I and I.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Hands clean bum, got a clean bum?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I often think about and I haven't think about the
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: old kiddy the situation like your cat drops it to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: digs around in that chillie that then walks all over
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the house, all over the house.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: With their precious little paws, And it's like, what.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: About think about flies that land on dog shit and
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: then your lip and then your lip? Right?
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I love that we have these conversations before lunchtime too.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hungry, not anymore.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Patrick, it's nearly one o'clock. Give us one more son,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: your choice, You go wherever you want to go.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to tell you this funny story because
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: remember we were talking about people who worked remotely using
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: the mouse movers. You know, they fooled their employer because
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: their mouse jiggled automatically. We talked about this a couple
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: of episodes ago. So what happens is they were people
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Companies were monitoring remote workers by noticing whether they were
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: working or not, just by how much movement there was
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: in their mouse. So a company released the mouse that
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: automatically jiggled to fool their employers. Well, as it happens,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: a company called Wells Fargo very very well their finance company.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I think, aren't they Wells Fargo? Not sure anyway, didn't
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: that went?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: They originally a railway company?
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: Probably probably, Well, they've fired twelve employees for using the
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: fake productive work jiggling mouse thing.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Oh that's hilarious.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was just an article that came out this week.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I thought I have to mention the Wells Fargo's story.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: So if you're using a mouse jiggler, don't you'll get caught.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Oh there you go, there are there are an American
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: multinational finance company. Yeah, so I'm complete, I thought, Oh yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Wells Fargo Bank. Yeah, yeah, history hang on eighteen fifty
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: two express Yeah, not banking okay, so not rail at all.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: But well they got sprung, didn't they.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought you'd like that.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: One, Patrick. How can people connect with you and find
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you and follow you and get you to work with
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: their organization?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, you could go to websitesnow, dot com, dot au,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the businesses genesis effects, but who knows how to spell that.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: So this is websites now and find me. We can
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: go to taichi at home and do some Thai G classes.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: We still have another tai chi class, crego, you were
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: supposed to do one. We're going to do a virtual
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: taichi class.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: When I come up in the stupidly named calligraphy. You
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: can do a little one on one with me.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Sounds good and what about perfectly yes straight.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: After, But boom, I knew that you either I was
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: going to side you. We're going to say on.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Thanks Tift, Thanks Led, Thanks Tiff.