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NFL Week 5 TNF Showdown | Buccaneers @ Falcons | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all system's going clear the lift. What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tambaline here aka Totagg and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 1: that is. It's the Buccaneers, the Atlanta Falcons, got hoop
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  Speaker 2: You know A title had some good one liners too.
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  Speaker 3: It just flowed off his tongue.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, man, our leader would be so
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  Speaker 2: proud of you right now. But needless to say, we're
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  Speaker 2: happy to have you back in the booth here, and
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  Speaker 2: we do have a good slate. And the only disappointing
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  Speaker 2: part I think that the pricing is a little soft,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll discuss it as we go.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, but we will be a title and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking pre show. You're talking titleisms over there. They
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  Speaker 1: got the tamboisms, the titleisms, now bring them back in.
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  Speaker 1: But we were talking pre show on how you can
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  Speaker 1: the line? What was it? The sharps got dusted because
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  Speaker 1: the chalk busted. That's that's nice one. My friend, how
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Missed you?
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  Speaker 4: It just yeah, it was a cash show if whatever
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  Speaker 4: came to my head. I do not plan like you, Tam.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: My brain's not as smart as you, Tam. I don't
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  Speaker 4: Hoop loved it. He wrote it down. But now people
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  Speaker 4: The Tigers, as you see top right, got the job
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  Speaker 4: done Hoopster's team.
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  Speaker 3: Now my team has to figure it out today.
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  Speaker 4: But showdown game for MLB, Showdown, NFL, I will say
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  Speaker 4: I did even give you a shout out at the end.
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  Speaker 4: he's not there, so happy Tample's back in the Bootleadas.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that even went a little bit longer than usual.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get right to it anyway. I want
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  Speaker 2: So hopefully you know, everyone finds it to be helpful
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  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, ready ready to obviously dive into
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  Speaker 2: what week is? This is week five overall. Yeah, week
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  Speaker 2: five of the NFL season. I mean it goes quick,
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  Speaker 2: so we got to enjoy each and every one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, week five it is, so we'll hop right into it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to your first thoughts title. I'll bring it
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  Speaker 1: over to you. You could start here with us, but
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  Speaker 1: forty three and a half total, I think right now
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  Speaker 1: Falcons went up a little bit. They went up for
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  Speaker 1: one and a half to two point favorites. I know
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  Speaker 1: we got some injuries on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: We'll obviously obviously have to wait for inactives to see
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  Speaker 1: who maybe some of these wide receiver fours or threes
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  Speaker 1: are for these teams with guys up. But just your
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  Speaker 1: first thoughts frants overview for this late Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's an absolutely amazing one.
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  Speaker 4: Like you mentioned earlier, the like Hoop said, the pricing
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  Speaker 4: is so soft. That's the number one takeaway. But I
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  Speaker 4: like slates like that because you can leave three thousand
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  Speaker 4: on the table, you can leave four thousand on the table.
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  Speaker 4: When we go position, my position and look at pricing
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  Speaker 4: like what you mentioned, the easy one, Darnell Mooney, take
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  Speaker 4: him out, go Ray Ray McCloud. Right there, you're leaving
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  Speaker 4: chunks of money on the table. You aren't giving up
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  Speaker 4: too much. And there's plenty of spots like that. So
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  Speaker 4: my number one thing easily can leave money. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we just have some mispriced players because James McMillan and
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  Speaker 4: Trey Palmer wide receiver three and wide receiver four for
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  Speaker 4: Tampa are out and they run a lot of three
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  Speaker 4: receiver sets, so Sterling Shepard will now be wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: three more than likely that we're gonna have. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to wait for some in actors, but they have
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  Speaker 4: like this Cameron Johnson guy. There's another wide receiver that
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  Speaker 4: they'll probably bring up. So I want to maybe see
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  Speaker 4: Coach Speek. But there's gonna be some value can mix
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  Speaker 4: in there. Ray Raymoncloud is way way way too cheap.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's some people that are some yeah players
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  Speaker 4: that people don't want to play. There are shot whites
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  Speaker 4: of the world. Bucky Irving's been eating into him as
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  Speaker 4: the week's goo. People are gonna be worried about that.
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  Speaker 4: Kyle Pits has that dude ever caught a football? Everyone
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  Speaker 4: doesn't want to play Kyle Pitts right now, so clear,
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  Speaker 4: clear spots on how to get different, leave some salary,
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  Speaker 4: and again two and a half point spread at forty
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  Speaker 4: four total in a dome.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this should be a fun so on site.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a couple of things he said, And
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  Speaker 1: I'll go to Hoop for his grand scheme overview. But
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  Speaker 1: just to say it, it's going to be this, right,
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  Speaker 1: you already know what's going to happen. Kyle Pitts gonna
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  Speaker 1: finally break out, and then on Sunday it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be Mark Andrews out of the woodworks as well, these
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  Speaker 1: two tight ends. And everyone says who's worse, Kyle Pitts
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  Speaker 1: or Mark Andrews. Right now, who do you think is worse?
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  Speaker 2: I will say he did never do that when I
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  Speaker 2: didn't do that at all, because it's you know, more pressure.
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  Speaker 2: We got two guys in the booth, not three. I
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  Speaker 2: would definitely say Kyle Pitts. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 2: young dude. A lot of a lot of people thought
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  Speaker 2: he was going to do well in the NFL, just
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  Speaker 2: has not come to fruition with multiple quarterbacks now and
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  Speaker 2: at least Mark Andrews has had big time success in
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  Speaker 2: this league. And you know, maybe it's injuries, maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting a little bit older or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: The pits thing is way worse than you in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about some of the stuff as others
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  Speaker 1: come through here. I'll get your other thoughts. But Nate
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  Speaker 1: D's in the booth. He was first in appreciate you,
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  Speaker 1: Nate d Zim. We got Sean Wins, a lot, Jacob
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  Speaker 1: Newwin's Wahlberg, a bunch of guys, Kevlar's out there, just
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good people and Maddie you already brought
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  Speaker 1: him upset it earlier. We just mentioned this beetle banin,
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  Speaker 1: think it's like what title said, that's just a prime example.
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  Speaker 1: So you might see Ray Ray McLoud and Darnell Mooney
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  Speaker 1: just my quick overview where they come in at the
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  Speaker 1: same ownership in the flex on this slate, but it's
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: a way more unique lineup when you take Darnell Mooney
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  Speaker 1: down to Ray Ray McCloud. Even though your total ownership's
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  Speaker 1: the same, it's you've now left all this money on
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  Speaker 1: the table and on a one game slate, thing can happen.
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  Speaker 1: And our guy Scary Creation says to me, it's not soft.
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  Speaker 1: The main point of this point getters on this slate
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  Speaker 1: are Evans, Godwin and Baker. I think that's true. And
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  Speaker 1: then maybe yeah, there's a little.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when the top price the top regardless, and
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  Speaker 2: when the top price is ten to two ten two, that's
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  Speaker 2: very very very g I think the reason why saying
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  Speaker 2: it when it comes to roster construction, there's not a
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  Speaker 2: ton of like super super cheap options. There's a consolidated
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  Speaker 2: number of players. We might get some though, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: with an actor that's got to see with this Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay wide receiver situation. But this is very, very soft pricing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't disagree more with him on this one.
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  Speaker 1: I usually love all the comments and I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: throwing your thoughts out there. But to Hoop's point, we
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  Speaker 1: usually have seventeen K captains. We have nothing even near that,
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  Speaker 1: barely scraping past fifteen K. And then also the stuff
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  Speaker 1: of like just the miss prices, the Ray Ray McCloud
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  Speaker 1: thirty four hundred, the Sterling Shepherd sixteen hundred. If other
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  Speaker 1: guys pop into these spots, if we get a wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver four or three that pops in where you're playing
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  Speaker 1: them instead of Shepherd, there's just so many ways to go,
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  Speaker 1: and so that makes to me it's a better slate though.
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  Speaker 1: Because of that, I like that there's more options, and
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  Speaker 1: I also love titles point too. And then I'll go
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  Speaker 1: to you who. But just the joke was about Kyle Pitts,
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  Speaker 1: but also the coach speak is all over Bucky Irving.
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  Speaker 1: So everyone says there's no way Rashad White can do anything,
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  Speaker 1: There's no way Kyle Pitts can do anything. But you're
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  Speaker 1: almost forced into it somewhat on a one game slate
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  Speaker 1: when you get a single slate showdown. So hoo, any
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  Speaker 1: other thoughts on any of that stuff or anything else
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  Speaker 1: you've got for a grand scheme overview before we hop
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  Speaker 1: into these captains.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the running back situation is definitely interesting. I mean, essentially,
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  Speaker 2: you know, last year we were used to Rashad White
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  Speaker 2: being we have one of the best roles i'd say
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL last season. Now, I think there's more
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  Speaker 2: guys that that might have solid bulls this year. But
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  Speaker 2: last year, like he probably had the best role. He
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  Speaker 2: was a pass catching back that got four down work,
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  Speaker 2: goal line work, he got absolutely everything. Like his role
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  Speaker 2: last year was essentially unbeatable in terms of the workload.
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  Speaker 2: He had everything you want and now pretty damn close
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  Speaker 2: to a fifty to fifty split, And I think that
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  Speaker 2: makes it a very interesting dynamic for this I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a very important talking point because you know their
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  Speaker 2: price where you're probably gonna have to have decent exposure
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  Speaker 2: to these guys. So I think it's interesting and we'll
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  Speaker 2: have the conversation around around captain because I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: either of them are going to get much ownership and
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  Speaker 2: captain because you know, if you're playing someone with the captain,
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  Speaker 2: you want them to have the full Worklad they're essentially
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  Speaker 2: splitting now at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be tricky for that reason, Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: can you can't even feel as comfortable going to a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Bucky, even if you're on the side that
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  Speaker 1: it is Bucky. It's like, what if it's being cut
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  Speaker 1: into by Rashad White maybe in like an onslaught. I
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: know Kenny mentioned here due to predictability, yet's it's always
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  Speaker 1: easy to predict, right, Kenny, He knows, But yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you were playing something like a five to one bucks,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe you could play the two of them Bucky
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  Speaker 1: for the bucks. That's possible as well, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just have a harder time with the title. Do
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  Speaker 1: you got any more thoughts on that? If not, you
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  Speaker 1: could take us into captains and how you're seeing seeing
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  Speaker 1: it and handling it.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, not really too much more to add.
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  Speaker 4: I think going to Captain's good and I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 4: it kind of what kevl are saying. He's saying it's
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  Speaker 4: pretty condensed for him, only eighteen to twenty options. I
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: know right now, because I think there's a handful of
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  Speaker 4: skill position players that can be captain. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 4: play any quarterbacks in my captain spot. Neither really have
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  Speaker 4: much rushing upside. Kirk Cousins has literally almost none. Baker
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  Speaker 4: Mayfield a little more. But I'm telling myself, if Kirk
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  Speaker 4: goes out there and throws for three hundred, I'm hoping
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  Speaker 4: one of Drake, London, Mooney, raid Ray, one of Pitts, one.
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  Speaker 2: Of them do enough that they're optimal.
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  Speaker 4: Other side with Baker, I'm hoping it's gonna be Godwin,
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  Speaker 4: Mike Evans, if you want to throw, Kate Dotten, etc.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one standard.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I don't want fifty these Usually I'm in the
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  Speaker 4: between thirty to fifty teams. So you say play less teams,
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  Speaker 4: play a little tighter. My stands will be give me
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  Speaker 4: the skill position players, and I'm even gonna probably cross
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  Speaker 4: off Rashad and Bucky at captain.
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  Speaker 2: And again, not right, not right or wrong.
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  Speaker 4: It's just another stand I want to take because I
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  Speaker 4: do think they're gonna be pretty close to a split.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be playing them in the flex. I just don't
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  Speaker 4: love eithers. Two touchdown potential, yeah, I definitely can get there.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna trust they eat into each other. So
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  Speaker 4: what does that leave me? Buccaneer side, Godwin, Mike Evans
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  Speaker 4: Man the Sterling Ephord. I'm gonna let you guys talk
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  Speaker 4: more about captain. I'm indifferent what I'm gonna do with him,
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  Speaker 4: but he's gonna run a ton of routes. He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be on the field a ton, and you can lead
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  Speaker 4: leave heaps the salary, Like why can't Sterling go six
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  Speaker 4: for seventy today in a touchdown and you can leave
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  Speaker 4: four five k at the captain position?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead him.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna say something, what.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask you, because obviously you focus on cash.
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  Speaker 1: You do the cash course for us over on the
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  Speaker 1: site and that too. But I mean, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: with these running back situations on both sides, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: spend enough time yet on Bijon and Algier. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: there more and we go later. But just like with
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  Speaker 1: this pricing and some of these mistrices, it almost feels
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  Speaker 1: like Godwin, Evans Baker, probably even Kirk just because he's
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  Speaker 1: so cheap, even if it's in the flex. And then
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: figure out which of those two guys like it almost
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  Speaker 1: feels like it builds itself in cash, so we can
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  Speaker 1: kind of convert you know what those versions look like.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do that on the site. You'll have the Corse
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  Speaker 1: up later. But I just think that's kind of an
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  Speaker 1: interesting topic when you split it to going to tournaments,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think people are going to use the
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks as much. I mean, like you can get to
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Evans or probably Godwin right like, well, what do you
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: think it's going to look like right now? Because they're
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: so easy to get to a captain?
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll give it away.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: I think Ray Ray McCleod is the most underpriced, mispriced
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: player on the slate. I think he's going to be
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: played at captain so you can jam in all the
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: other studs. Yeah, but how much that does the tournaments? Like,
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Ray Ray's still going to be in check when it
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: turns the captain spot. Yeah, if you playing Baker and
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Cousins in the captain spot, I will throw it back
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: to you when I'm done with this in a sec
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: you call the Rogers one. If it's one of those
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: two in the captain I do think they're a lot
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: lower owned than the Godwins.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Than the Evans.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: That really even what we're showing for just the reasons
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: I said, like knowing football, not much rushing upside passing
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks when they get there, you expect one of the
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: receivers to But you had the great call with Rogers,
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: he spread it out.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: I do get totally that standpoints. I'll let you touch
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: My quick thoughts again, the Godwin, Evans, Bryan Rock or
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: Beshawn Robinson. Yeah, Alsier got a lot of work last week,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: which is a little concerning. I'm still gonna play bijon,
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: like why I think this slate's miss price nine point
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: eight K for Vjon, ten two for Evans, ten K Godwin,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: those guys could all be one k higher.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Their upside is absolutely nuking this slate.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: And there's so much value on this late like no
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: one's gonna want to play defenses. Kickers will be a
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: little lowish owned because of the Ray raised the Shepherd,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: so there's plenty of spots I can get different. I'm
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: gonna be more concentrated at Captain's Jon Godwin, Mike Evans,
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney, Ray Ray McCloud, and then the two I'm
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: really debating right now is Yeah, probably too Sterling Shepherd
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: and Kyle Pitts. I think I gotta play some pits.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: But man, I know that's the We have them at
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: one point six percent captain ownership. Just say that's double
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: two three. I don't know, man, it's a better chance
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: than two percent to be on.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: He's gonna break the slate. Man, he's gonna do it.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And everyone said he sucked and it's gonna be two
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: touchdowns tonight or whatever. But I you chimed in, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I am interested to get your thoughts first before I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: chime in. I think I'm in a little bit of
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: a different direction tonight, but I'll let you take over first.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: How do you see the captain position tonight?
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you can make a case for a
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: lot of these guys, but I think this might be
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: the smallest number of captains I play all season long,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: if it goes right. I haven't built my team yet,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: so if I'm able to, I'm gonna keep it very
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: consolidated at the captain position, and it's not going to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: include either quarterback. I get the case for Baker, but
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: with a couple of pass catchers down, I just feel
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like if Baker has a big game, like Godwin or
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Evans has a better game, and they're the guys that
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you need up top the past catching stuff on DraftKings,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: you know, pass catchers have an advantage as is. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: just feel like and we're not showing crazy ownership either
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: on like Godwin or Evans. Like as of now in
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the captain spot, Evans is showing ten, god Win thirteen.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I think it probably is a little higher than that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: when it's all said and done. But if it's anywhere
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: close to those numbers and those guys combined only like
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty five percent owned, like that's a
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: place where I want to make a massive stand being
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: down pass catchers, and then you get Evans Godwin in
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: a dome like I just feel like one of those
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: dudes get gets the job done. So I'm not gonna
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: go to the Baker stuff. I don't think again. I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: gonna build my teams I gotta see. But like my
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: strong lean right now is Godwin Evans on the Tampa
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Bay side. You know, I get the case for like
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Sterling Shepherd and a and stuff like, I just don't
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: think I'm getting there. I'm just gonna probably bank on
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: one of those two going off tonight, and if they do,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a ton of combinations with leaving salary
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: on the table, which is something we'll talk about roster constructions.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: With this soft pricing, I think you're gonna definitely want
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: to make them concerted effort to leave salary on the table.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So Godwin Evans stand out for me on the Atlanta side. Man,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Like the Lgier stuff scares me like a little bit.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, he got quite a bit of work last week.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I wanted to pull it up. I mean he got.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was almost forty percent of the snaps or something.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: They're quite a bit.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was in a competitive game. It's not
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: like it was a blowout. That was a competitive game
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: that went all the way to the end. That trend
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: scares me a little bit. With someone like like Bijon Robinson.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Now he's dynamic enough where he could break the slate
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: playing only sixty percent of the snaps, there's no doubt
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: about it. So he's probably the third guy in line.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And then I got to see like with the Drake London's,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the Moonies, the mcclouds, Like, do I need to get
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: those guys in there to make everything work. If so,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: those are next in line for me. Like on the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay side is Godwin Evans for me for sure.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: On the Atlanta side, I'll probably get some Bijon, maybe
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: some London, maybe some Mooney, maybe some McCloud. But for
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: me tonight, the main thing is I want pass catchers.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Whether it's a running back, wide receiver, or whatever it is.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be somebody that catches passes
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that that is the guy that you need in optimal tonight.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'll be focusing on. It's not going
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to really be the quarterbacks for me, not going to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: mess around with the kickers up there. But another strong
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: point that keeps getting brought up in the chat I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: believe Joe brought it up, is like right now, like
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: you look at the player pool and the number of
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: viable options, there is not a ton like there is
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: not a lot of playable guys on the slate. Like
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you'll go see when you really dig in and start
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: looking like there's not a lot of playable options. Yeah,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: well no, I mean I'm just saying in John, I mean,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you look at it even if you play all, even
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: if you are willing to play the shitty dudes, like
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the dudes that are getting projected for under one, Like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: there's still just not a large number of playable options
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: on the slate even if you are playing everyone. So
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I think that is interesting for roster construction.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Before Tambo takes it away. Are you playing Bucky or
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Rashad White at captain?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Probably probably Rashad White for sure. I mean, scared money,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: don't make money tonight. Kyle Pitts sucks. Don't forget Mike
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Evans getting held in check. For sure. There's no way
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: he can beat aj Terrell. There's absolutely no way he
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: can out do them for a couple of touchdowns. Like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: all this stuff is insane. So yeah, I'm I'm not
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: in love with it. I'll be lower. But my take
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that I was about to roll out was I thought
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Hoop was going to come in on this train as well.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And I don't see how you don't play quarterbacks at captain.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Like again, Godwin Evans, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: feel much better about them. I think with the way
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: pricing is tonight, those lineups, I'll have some of them,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and I'll get different with them in different ways, salary
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: on the table, lower owned guys, different strategies. But these
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: are not condensed offenses. Baker has two running backs. He
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: could check it down to Godwin Evans, and the fact
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that there is no McMillan and Palmer Leaves, Shephard and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: whoever this new dude comes up, plus Kate Aughten. Then
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: on the Kirk Cousins side, we already just said how
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: much Algiers in the mix getting checked downs him, Bijon
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Bijeon can get checkdowns as well, Drake London, Mooney McLeod,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: whoever else you want to throw in their pits, even
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Charlie Warner whatever, like these guys. So I don't think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: these are condensed offenses at all. And anytime I don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: have a condensed offense, I want to play the quarterback
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: up top. Baker's been insane. I think he's been running
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: for like fifteen sixteen years. It's not a bunch, but
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that's a couple points on the ground and he's a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: maniac when he gets up to the thing. It's just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like all these Bucks quarterbacks. What was it Ryan Fitzmagic
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: back in the day. He used to do the same
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: thing when he played for the Bucks or came over them.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They just jammed themselves in at the end zone to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: establish it. And so for me, I actually do have
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: interest in these quarterbacks. Two reasons. One everything I just listed. Two,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think when you do just condense down to the Godwins, Evans,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: maybe London and whoever else you pick your your one
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: off of White Pits or Bijon, I think you're gonna
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: come up with a lot of similar lineups, like just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: very similar. So unless you're doing something else, capping your salary,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: putting in a cheap guy, whatever, That's how I'll be
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: handling those. But I'll probably be underweight on them and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: then overweight. I'll probably overweight though on Evans if I'm
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: picking one because of my same reasoning, like there's just
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: no way he can do it. They say like, oh,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: it's Godwin is the slot killer. He's the best guy
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: in the world. Evans can get two touchdowns any given game,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: three touchdown, he can do whatever. So I'm good with
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Evans anything. Who wants to step in first.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess take the counterpoint to the non consolidated
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: offense with two of their main guys out, Palmer and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: what's the other dude's name. I can't even think of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: his freaking name. The other past couler, Yeah, mcmillanoth those
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: guys out. I do think there's a chance that it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: is more consolidated. Yeah, Strilling Shepherd's been in this league,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and you know, he's been a legitimate wide receiver. But
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: is he immediately gonna make a huge impact. Is just
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: someone that Baker's gonna trust right out of the gate.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And you know, whoever else they elevate or include. I'm
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the roster for tonight's game. Like, I just think it
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: is going to be consolidated passing attack to either Evans
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: or Gobwin. So again, there's no right or wrong in
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: this situation. That's the beauty of showdown. That's the beauty
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of DFS. You can play it however the hell you want.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: You're playing it one way, I'm playing it a different way.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's awesome. And we could have a you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: we could both find a way in the middle of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it somehow to get up to the top. You can
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: see how that works out. But I mean, I think
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that's how people are looking at it. I was I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, because Scary got back on my page
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: over here, he's a Baker captains. I was loving, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: then he comes down here and says, Bijeon is a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: huge letdown, does nothing. Bijon never breaks the slate, looks
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the power. But yeah, and I just like scary you do.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you because you always put good comments in
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the chats and not against you. It's just I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it's good when we have these conversations. I just think
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that's how a lot of people look at it. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the Bijon thing is totally different to me, Like he
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: never breaks the slate. How many showdown slates do you
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: even have a chance to play bijon on let alone?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: In general, you're talking about main slates when dudes up
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: against twelve other running backs that are in good spots
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and we have a whole player pool to build. As
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we've talked about tonight, he's just wanted the options. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: again it's also how you're playing it, whether you're building
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: for one way a single entry. Right, Like mister Don says,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer this here in a second. What a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: nice name, mister Don. Hello, mss Like, okay, we got you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But he says, you know, like, how do I build
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a single untry if it's that is the decision. What
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you're doing should be based on what you're planning to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: build for and in an MME set, and you guys
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. I build in sets. If
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you've got some Atlanta wins games, they're the favorite here,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like how they're at home, they could definitely win. It
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: definitely could be beijon and we want the fact that
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: people are worried. Again, you should be worried about a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: hamstring injury, but on a single game slate as a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: part of your portfolio, I don't know how you wouldn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: put him in the spot up top for some of
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: those lineups because he can be the guy that just
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: gets the two. And what if it's lower scoring. What
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: if it ends up being twenty one to fourteen and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he's got two of those touchdowns just from being close up,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and then he gets sixty on the ground and even
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: gets injured later in the game, that could still be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: enough and so you could need that. So I just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: think it's all how you're looking at it, It's all
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: how you're playing it. You want to chime in on this,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I got some thoughts, but I guess you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: there's two streets to look at. One. Do you just
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: want to play what you love and make sure your
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: money's behind what you feel good about, so at least
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you say, if what you thought happens you played, you win.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Or do you want to just play against what the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: field's doing and kind of go against that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: That's so hard because contest size, like how many people
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: are in the contest, What are you trying to accomplish?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: You're trying to just like double up your money or
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you're trying to win the whole damn thing. It really
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: depends what you're trying to do. I'm assuming it's probably
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a large field, single entry, and like how do you
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: get how do you get different? Well, it's definitely difficult
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: on a showdown slate to solo ship. We know that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So if you're you know, building a team to for
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: entertainment purposes, like just play your favorite guys and root
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: them in and don't really matter. The rest shouldn't matter.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But if you're trying to win, I mean, I don't know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: it differs slight to slate, Like definitely tonight, for example,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I'd be looking to leave a lot of money on
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the table and looking for at least, you know, one
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: or two big pivots dropping from I don't know. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: think you guys use this example, dropping from like Mooney
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: down to Ray Ray McCloud or something, and just leaving
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: is that like forty thirty eight hundred dollars on the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: table like things like that is what I'd be looking
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to do in single entry tonight, just leaving a lot
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of money on the table. Make sure it correlates properly.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Like if I was gonna play Evans or God winning
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the Captain, I'd make sure that I had, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Baker in the flax that that sort of thing. You know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: it differs like to slay, depends on what you're trying
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to do. It depends on the contest you're in. But
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, for tonight, specifically big chunks of money on
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the table I think makes sense.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly a factor. We talked about that exact example earlier,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: because in our projections they don't project that far apart.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So even if you're using projections, they're already very similar.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And the field, I know, pricing matters, of course it does,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying the field sees them very similar. It
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: loves Ray Ray McCloud. It loves Darnell Mooney. It's in
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: on both of them. But the difference is when you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: take a Mooney down and leave the thirty eight hundred bucks,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you just naturally become more different than the rest of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the field because the average spend is way higher than
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: using that much salary. So just little things like that,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But that's one way I would definitely look at it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So anything you got to add their title. If not,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you could take us into anything else you have to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: add at the quarterback position and then from there going
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to running backs.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just when you're handbuilding, you're building a team,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: just paint a story like do you think Falcons win
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: by two touchdowns today? You know, like I was going
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: to bring this up, and just in general five once
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: today on both side, very very low on you can
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: leave there's gonna be lines only four hundred bucks, but
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: are five to one something that can be a lot
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: less stuped. If you have a three to three or
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: four to two.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Four to two.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Falcons I think will be a little more popular than
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Buccaneers today, but both will be a lot of ownership.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Then you have to do a little more crazy stuff.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: But make sure you're when you're handbuilding, you're building single entry,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: especially showdown. You have your team tell a story and
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: how the game can go. If you think you get
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the story right, you can see yourself winning. That's exactly
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: how I building stuff. And then another thing, you only
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: need really one pivot in single entry. So just say
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you have a team, you have Kate Dotten, drop Kate
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Dowton down to Buccaneers defense. You're getting we have all
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: ownership projections, everything on the site, go to our ownership.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Look at the same range. You're cutting the ownership almost
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: in half. You're leaving four hundred bucks. Maybe you can
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: find it a better example there, but right that one
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: pivot in single entry can get you way different from
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: the rest.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: You don't need to go crazy and stuff like that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Your field size matters a lot, but you're playing one
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: hundred and seventeen thousand mm E slate flagship.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Are you playing a two hundred man single entry tournament?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: So have to build different according to that, you said
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: just quarterbacks, quarterbacks, running back.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: We talked through the quarterback because you guys, so we
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: were in and out at captain. But I mean, obviously
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they're going to be popular. I think one thing you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: added there just quick to go on. It was like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the three three threes or four two's, like that's certainly
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a thing. Five ones will be extremely rare to your point,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but also you know, because Baker, Godwin Evans are also
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: easy to fit. And then you have Rey Ray on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the other side. I think you're right, it's gonna be
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like the three threes the most common, just it's so
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: easy to fit, and then you fitt in cousins and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: whoever from the other side. So it's just when you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: know that what I was gonna say is the more
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you know going into a slate ownership projections, those are
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: projections that we don't know if they're right there. We're
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: hoping there, and we strive to be very accurate with ours.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But it's saying they are just a projection. But the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: more we can have this just some of the natural
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: stuff that you pick up with time experience. The benefit
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of being a part of a community like ship at Nation,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: where we're talking about all day in the discorder thinking
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: through it the way we are is that the more
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: information we have is the more information you can use
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: for or against what you're trying to do. Against the field,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: which is the ultimate game. We're playing a game where
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the information at hand matters, and then what we do
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: with it and how we go with it or against it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: That's how we're trying to build up. So just to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: titles point, that was a great one. We know what
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: people can fit tonight. We know where they're going at captain.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You can find ways around it from there. So go ahead,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: title take us into running back.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great breakdown.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: So yeah, quarterbacks, I'm not playing them at captain really
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: because I've played less teams, so I'm definitely playing them
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: in the flex. Running back wise, I did like Djon
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: a lot at the captain probably the.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Only running back.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: If I have a couple of ver Shaan White captain teams,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I think I'm fine with that. I doubt I get
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to Bucky Alsier captain, but yeah absolutely if you think
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: it's a low scoring game and Algier falls in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: box twice, build a script like that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It totally could get there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: As far as the flex, I think right now, because
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I like Vjeon, I think I prefer Vjon and captain
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: more so than the flex. Like, if Vjon gets there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I just want him to totally get there and if
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: the hamstrings a little worries so on, etc. Then I
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: get more a lot more al year in the flex
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: and I'm underweight bijon flex. So that's my stance right now,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: especially because I'm more concentrated at captain, I'm gonna have
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: to be overweight Bjon.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I know that I'm probably.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Gonna be under the flex.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: The Tampa running backs, though, like I hope one of
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: them are on the optimal, I think I'm not going
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: to be excluding Like if I'm playing Rashat in the flex,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I can't play Bucky Personally, I'm not going to be
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: making those rules because both are going to be on
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the field a good amount of time.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Both can catch passes out of the backfield.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Lower scoring game, Like you're talking about why can't White
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: or Bucky Irving not outscore at Drake London for over
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: one almost two k more outscore one of the quarterbacks
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Mooney's a little more, etc. So I will put a
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: doc if I have White, Like I don't love Bucky
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: as much in handbuild stuff, but that's a way to
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: get different in mm same thing. If you go bijon
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: and alsier, people don't like doing that and mm stuff.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: So when you ship or when that is on the winner.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: We just saw gibbson Montgomery get the job done on Monday.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Isn't there another two?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Ure?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, Pollard and Spears had a fine game.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know what the showdown winner was, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: similar situations where two running backs get on the field
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: a lot, we can see them both get there again. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I like Bijon a lot in the Captain, so I'll
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: probably be under flex. I'm gonna throw two back on
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: this tambo Tyler l' year. What are we doing?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Is he gonna get the work like he did last game?
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Because he's a great play if so, But I don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: love it because I like Bijon.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't love it as much even like to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Oliver's point there, like you know the setup, it's not
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: as high for me. I'm I'm I'm I really like that. Actually,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. I really like your thought
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: on the Bijon thing. I'm probably gonna be the exact
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: same tonight. Like if he's getting there, he's getting all
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the way there. If he's not, I'm not hanging around
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in the flex just to hope that he's a part
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of that combo as much. That's what I'm saying. So
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I think you can put it easier to drop down.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Sorry, that was right on the note.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: It's easier when you like go Bijon down to Mooney
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: like in the flex, like in a way where you
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: think Bijon doesn't get there, you don't play captain. That's
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: how you can solo ship a lot easier. So sorry
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: to inter that's my thought process right there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's important. And then just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I had it out there, I don't instead
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of share on the screen, I was leep for second.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But in shyp tomizer you're gonna have to make some
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: moves tonight or whatever your optimizer is that you use.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But in ours, it's really easy because we have the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: mint exposure and the max exposure right there. That's kind
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of the whole point being able to do that because
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: like in that example, to your point with Algier, he's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: just not going to get in there enough. I know
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he's half the price, but his projection's almost ten points
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: less than Bijon. You cannot project him for that unless
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you do, and we have the ability to change the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: user projection. So if you think he's more. You can
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: bump one and boost the other and drop the other
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: guy down. In the case Bijon, you could drop him down,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: push Algier up, or you can do it via exposures.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Our optimizer ship demizer makes it very easy to do that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But woop, you do this stuff all the time, playing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: around with it. You're not just doing a dry run
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and running it. You're playing with the settings. Do you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: have any extra takes at running back or on a
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: guy like Algier because obviously hamstring injury coming in, but
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: now says he's just sort of nicked up and he's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: good to go. It's always scary, but it's also again
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: it's a one game. I'm not doing this on the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: main slite.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our guy Na. It's just living the dream too
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in the Delta Sky Club, always traveling. And congrats to
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the Tigers. Yeah, I mean big, I mean it is
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a wild sports store. I mean, I don't know how
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: closely people followed it, but they're point two in August
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs and best record in baseball since
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and I am rooting for the brew Crew tonight, so
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it'd be nice to get a little Tigers Brewers World
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Series and then we get myself titled big needs at
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the one of these World Series games would be a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. Back to the showdown slate. Yeah, the quarterbacks,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, definitely prefer more in the flex spot and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: then the running back situation. I kind of man, I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: know you, me and were Sometimes we're alike, sometimes we're different.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I kind of agree with like scary creations with the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Bijon stuff, like he doesn't ever fully get there. Could
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you do it tonight? Absolutely? But I mean it's always
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: just like a it's like a mid performance, just a
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: middle of the road type performance out of him. And
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: on a short week with l Gier, you know, popping
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: up with a big workload the previous week and Bijon
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: had some sort of injury thing in the middle of
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: last week. Like, I'm fine with Bijon, but for me,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I just I think I prefer him in the flex
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: opposed to the captain for all those reasons. And I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: do want exposure to al Gier because of that workload.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, he got substantial work in a close game.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: It's not like it was a blowout game, Like it
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: was a competitive game to the end. He got ten touches.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I mean even going back to Week two nine carries,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: seven carries, eight carries and two receptions last time out,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like he's going to have a substantial role on this team.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Bijon's definitely good enough to get it done, like I said,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: with sixty percent of the work. But man, it just
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: seems like a lot of middling performances for Bijohn. He's
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: showing up to be like the you know, probably one
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: of the highest owned captains on the slate, so I
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: definitely offer him more than the flex opposed to the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: captain and then the Tampa Bay guys. You know, the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: nature of the slate, which I mean you go through.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I know, tam he said, you want to play a
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: lot of these dusty dudes or whatever's available tonight, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: there's just not many guys that are even projecting for anything.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: So when you go through, like you're gonna have to,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you know, take a look at guys like White and
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Bucky Irving because of the price tags and uh, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: sixty eight hundred and sixty four splitting running backs, like
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I'll have exposure to him in the flex and that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: kind of how I feel. So with the running back position,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's more flex for me with all these guys,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: including Bijon most likely.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me run through a couple of these things.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: First off, Brian's probably don't know. I think I've seen
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: him here before because he's got his picture up. Love
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the family life. But we do not have to play
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: in different contest. We were playing Hoop and I probably
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: won't even have a single lineup near each other tonight
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: because we never played. We've like completely different strategies, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: maybe tonight me and Title aren't quite on the same
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: page either, but we're playing in a two hundred thousand
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: person tournament. We Max.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I don't get what the question is.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: He's just wondering if we like DraftKings in allow us
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to play in the same work. But the thing is,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: once you understand like, you don't want to share with
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: the like, we talk together, we love each other, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: we're not trying to build the same teams as each other.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: We're competing against them until we're out. Then we're Ricky
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Fowler at the back, you know, eighteenth Green, given the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: high fives to our buddies.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Root it in until you realize your teams are dead.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: You're rooting for yourself, and then when they are dead, Like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: all right, I'll root on my boys for a little bit.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: These two back to back from uh, you know, Wisconsinights overhead.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them exactly, but Nate was it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Nate's got the call. We've been trying to make it work,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and I think this is true. If his name wasn't Bijon,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: we'd probably be talking good things like listen to even
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: with that workload. The reason it's scary is obviously because
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the injury. Also, I should note why don't believe our
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: captain ownership on Bijon. It's gonna get It's gonna moon
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: walk way back. It's nobody wants to play this dude.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: He's ranking like tenth in our value rankings at captains.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Like there's just because there's the cheap dudes that pop,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: there's the quarterbacks, there's the Godwins, the Evans, the London's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the movie I got it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I gotta discman. Me and you are just we're just
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: on totally different pay. He is going to be though,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: because people look at the main slate stuff when there's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: fifteen viable running backs, right like really good value plays.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Bijon always Yeah, he's gonna be held in child always
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: gets numbers.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be sixteen though, is my point anyway. But
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens tonight. Again, I don't really care.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I just I know how I'm playing. I'm already talked
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: about it. I want to answer this one too, because
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know how these things even work.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: But the Sims, of course, are gonna love five ones
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: tonight because the sims are going against what the field
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: is doing. Nobody's playing five ones. No different. If you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: run up for baseball and you see the most popular
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: pitcher on the slate is forty percent for this team,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the bats are going to be super popular against him
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: because the Sims want you to look for the highest
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: ROI and the best way to pay that off is
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to take out the opposite of what the field's doing
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: or the other side of that. So it's not really
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: all of it, but just in depth on that, I mean.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Just don't pay. Just make sure you're not paying extra
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: for that shit, because it's obvious what those things are
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: doing at this point.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just so you can figure it out.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I understand the work, and people are four against them.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's that's that's not stating that five
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: ones will be popular. That's stating that if you're running sims,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of course you're gonna get five ones. Did you run
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a dry run over there? Who maybe you can do
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that while I go through some of the other stuff.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna get it going and then yea when
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: it comes back to me next, we'll have it ready
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: to roll.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Bijon going King Henry tonight eighty seven yard bomb right
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: out of the game, hamstring pulls up and then we
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: got an anti sweat all game. If he's needed up
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: top or not, that could definitely be see it. And
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: now Brian said he came to gamble got the Pits one.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we don't need a bet. The best part
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: about it like these side bets like me and what
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: do me? And who's gonna do? Bet five hundred bucks?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's not about that. It's like it's we're already
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: gonna put our money where our mouth is. We play
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: DFS in the streets tonight and have a chance to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: make it happen, so we'll see. I just don't think
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Bijeon comes in at sixteen percent in the Captain if
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he does awesome. If not, then you know awesome as well.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'll be just fine. I know that's part of it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: The other thing I was gonna add quickly, and we're
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: going to wide receiver anyway, so I'll kick it to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you in a second title. But just with Godwin Evans
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: being so popular and they will be popular, Godwin's gonna
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: be more. If anything here, Godwin's gonna be higher than Bijon,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and Bijeon's gonna come down because Godwin's just the guy.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: He's in such a good spot. My take is gonna
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: be that with those lineups is why those losers that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Hoop was talking about are gonna get into my lineups
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: because everyone's already playing these guys and you can easily
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: fit Godwin, Baker Evans, Ray Ray McLeod and then you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: only get two spots to play with in a six
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: man game, and you've got a popular captain there, like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you're already setting yourself up for failure. My and my perspective,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave big money on the table and play
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: some of these lower owned guys to fill it out
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: if I'm even landing anywhere near that in my lineups.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: So I'll let you talk about it title, well they
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: get after hoop here.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes me.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Another thing I'm gonna be doing to get a little different,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I think is if I'm playing Evans and Godwin and
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the captain, I'm fine, like not playing Baker and maybe
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: you play Cousins over him in that lineup, or on
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: the other side with a captain Drake London and you
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: go Baker and you don't go Cousin. It's like people,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: almost everyone you're plugging a captain receiver. The next person
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: they put in the flex is the quarterback. I just
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: remember my only showdown ship for last year. It was
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: my captain. I went to the other side and the
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: quarterback instead of Trevor Lawrence, I played Derek Carr and
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: it worked that way even with the Jags captain. So
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: that's another way to get differently.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Marley won it everyone when the guys time a single
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: entre earlier in a large field, didn't Marley have.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Didn't read Yeah, I think you yeah, I think you're
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: right because he had double kicker Saquon Hurts. So yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: perfect example right there. So little things like that it
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: can work. And the reason I brought that up to
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: get different is I don't know how many of these
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: bums I'm gonna be playing today. The if you're at
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: receiver position, it's obviously let's start with Tampa side, Chris Godwin,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Mike Evans, Sterling Shepherd and wide receiver three sets. The
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: big act of like why we have to look at
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: active today Camberon Johnson and Cody Thompson. These are two
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: guys that are going to be operating splitting maybe wide
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: receiver four roles. Maybe one of them gets all the
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: four work, the other one's five. Who really knows. And
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I know we're gonna
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: differ on this. I'm probably not gonna play either of
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: them because of just how many three receiver sets Tampa
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: does play. Another thing I want to mention, if you
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: are playing Sterling Shepherd, do not think you're gonna be
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: different even if you leave two K on the table
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: with him, He's one point six K. Really, the next
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: only viable option that you can get up to is
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Ray Ray McCloud.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: At three to four.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: So just know you want to be leaving in Sterling
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Shepherd lineups probably at least like two point five K
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: at least have options to Buccaneers to Kate Totton, maybe
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Falcons d Ray Ray like, that's the stuff.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: How I want to play Sterling.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I don't want to zero out my team or just
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: leave four hundred bucks with Sterling Shepherd because no one's.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Upgrading that four hundred dollars. So that was another point
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: And really I said the game theory stuff like that,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: because I'm going to play in Rey Ray, Mooney and
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: London on the Falcon side. I'm gonn play Godwin Evans
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Sterling Shepherd on that side.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, if it is a Cameron whatever, uh, Cameron.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Cody Thompson day, it probably is not a
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: title day.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Cam Johnson, Cody Thompson. He's trying to really reel these
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: things off.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: No, who want he wants that hosting spot back man,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: he's trying to watch.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Spot Cam was doing great and speaking of it, they're
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: coming for hoopster man, We're coming for you.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Man. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get that going.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I know it's been wait, hold he lost his shoey.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Bet he never did a shoey.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeahost drink. I tried copping out and saying I'd like
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: shotgun a beer or something, but no one was happening
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: it Like gem, I know it's it'll happen. That's what.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. You got the dry run up here. So
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: what are we seeing?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess i'd say somewhat surprising. I mean,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: these are based on our projections, but Captain uh Baker
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: both quarterbacks, So fifty between total between Baker and Cousins. Now,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: is that going to be what happens tonight? Absolutely not,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: but interesting that these two are showing up and then
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Bijon and then Drake London, Chris Godwin at eight percent,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Ray Ray McLeod at six and Mike Evans at two.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Now I hope this is true. I mean for me personally,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I hope something like this is legit where Evans and
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Godwin are coming in lower. But I don't necessarily think
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that's the case. But it is interesting to see both
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: these quarterbacks up top at the highest rate based on
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: our projection. Now let's go to flex and see if
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: there's anything crazy or any like cheap dude that's popping
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: up at a high rate. We have McLeod, but that's legit.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, he has a legitimate projection. Tonight like he's
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: a legit play on the slate at three point four K,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: so that's not crazy. He's shown up in sixty two
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: percent of lineups, Sterling Shepherd showing up in thirty two.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Projected ownership on him is twelve point five. It's got
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to be bigger, right, I mean, I'm assuming as the
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: day goes on, more people are gonna come on to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Sterling Shepherd. I'd imagine he's closer to the twenty percent range,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you know, just my guess at this point, I have
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: no factual data behind that. Seeing Rashad White twenty six,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans twenty five odd with Otten right around twenty,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Mooney eighteen, Bucky sixteen, and Bucks D ten. So those
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: are all the flex options above above ten. So nothing
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: really stands out, I guess in the flex, But in Captain,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I think it is somewhat interesting that, you know, if
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you just run it dry and don't change anything based
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: on our projections, Quarterback is shown up at over fifty
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: percent rate, you know, which is much lower than what
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we're projecting the ownership to be. We're basically showing twenty
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: five percent, so they're shown up essentially double in this
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: dry run.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I hope others don't confuse out there because
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: while we're on opposite sides, who cares. That's the benefit
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in the excitement of showdown slates, I'm saying. More so,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it's not like Hoop is going to get those guys
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to come in it twenty seven percent and then he's
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: fading them, so he's happy that they're at that ownership.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We have been coming in much lore own, so you'll
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: see that leverage on there our projections like what I like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't work out, but my point is
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that versus you know, Hoops hoping they
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: actually do come in at like twenty percent ownership. We
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: fade because he would want us beat that with his
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: other dudes because that if they're higher, the others have
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to be lower. I know it sounds obvious, but we'll
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: throw it out there titled did you have thoughts on
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: our guy Nade's questionnaire? Because it is a good one,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Like that's a setup where if Evans gets you two
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: touchdowns up top, do you want Godwin in the flex
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: or vice versa? And the reason I would even flip
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it is because Godwin can just rack up the PPR
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and Evans could be erased versus Evans could get two touchdowns,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but Godwin could still outdo a Bijeon Robinson and a
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Mooney and all those guys just on eight for eighty
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: or something. So give me your thoughts on that one.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of what you just no way I'm making
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: that rule because just say Godwin does go ten for
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: eighty and what no touchdowns? But Mike Evan gets all
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: the red zone work and he converts his two. So
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: is Godwin through the twenties, Evan's in the red zone.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: They both get there that way. Evans just more in
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: the big play the PPR monster for Godwin. So I
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: think you'd be making a mistake to group out that
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: rule if you're playing any more than a couple teams.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hoop, I'm gonna flip over to my screen for
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a secon just well, do any Do you have any
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that, because I think you've talked about it
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: before about ruling yourself out right.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with the point that I'm not gonna
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: group it away. I think it's more viable for the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: route that it gets there more often would be Evan's
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: captain and Godwin in the Flex for the reason that you, guys,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I think both kind of articulated. Where Evans scores two
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: touchdowns and Godwin still has like seven catches for eighty
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: yards and ends up with like fifteen and a half
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: fantasy points. I don't love it the other way around.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I don't love it the other way around with Godwin
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: in the Captain and Evans in the Flex. But I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: not gonna I don't think I'm gonna group it out
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: on this lake. To be honest with you, yeah, I
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: would neither.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I think if you were doing a single entry something
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to think about, how do you actually plan out whatever
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it might be, That's where you could put some of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: those thoughts to titles point earlier. I would definitely think
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of it from both sides on that one, because they
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: are sort of different receivers all together. And I think
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Kenny's right on this, but we're even if they're higher
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: than us, we are projecting Bijon super strong, and we
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: are thinking his ownership is high. I'm just personally people
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: ask this before, like, isn't it your stuff? And you're
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: disagreeing with no, Like, I agree, our stuff is awesome
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and it's accurate, But if I see something and I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: want to poke a hole in it, I'm going to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: just tell my true thoughts and feelings on it. I
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: think there's a possibility that Godwin goes up, Bijon goes down,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and it's that's what we see. It's it's not going
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to be massive numbers. I just think it's certainly possible.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And then I do want to bring this up just
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: because now I said I would earlier, and I wasn't
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: going to. But Steven Nabors shout up to our dude
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: always here supporting. We appreciate you, says you know, when
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you do the dry run, do you recommend using the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: preset or the default. I want to show two quick things.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It will help members and maybe others considering joining the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: nation because ship Deviser. We have it for six of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the eight major sports. Right now. When you go into
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: here and click build, it won't let you build. You
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: got to make a couple changes. I am on the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: showdown slate, so I'll just give you a quick version.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to run the whole thing, but I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: would take the projected value to the people. You're not
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: gonna come anywhere near on this slave playing and I
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: just moved them to a ninety nine max exposure, so
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I made my move. But one note you have to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: keep in mind. Shipdamizer is the optimizer designed to help
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you ship. There's something built in that you have to change,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and that is we we auto turn on randomness so
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that you won't end up with the exact same lineups
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: as everybody else, and so that you are playing to
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: win the slate, So we're putting some randomness in there
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: versus just the optimal. So you do have to turn
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: these down to none before you go and actually run it,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and then you can change your one P fifty up
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: here and build it out. So that is the dry
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: run as far as the build setting goes and the presets,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: there is only default. Really quickly, well, we've got everyone here.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I built this in today, so I didn't even announce
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: it in Discord yet, but just to note to people,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I did add optimal button in on the main stuff,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: so I'm main NFL right now. I'm gonna get it
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on all them. But just so you know, optimal builds
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: in so that nothing changes right now. You do still
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: need to change the randomness, but you'll notice if you
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: go to the team stacks. Oh sorry, I didn't reset
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it first. I apologize just one second, guys, Let's go here.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Reset yes, go to the build settings, reset yes, go
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: back to here. Can't build right, you'll see that. Do
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing that I said earlier. Changes to
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: ninety nine, changes to ninety nine, go back to the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: build settings, go to the optimal and then I think
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I just have to change one more thing, but maybe, oh,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: use use presets, use presets, yes, override and now if
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you go to build settings, optimal should work. Yeah. See,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it took the team sacks. So this is what people
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: were asking them before. Sorry about the run here. Just
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: want to make sure you guys see it. So it
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: takes the randomness down to none, it takes the team
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: down to zero. The only it will allow as a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: running back stack, and then it actually turns on the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: ability to have defense versus quarterback or flex. That is
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: how you get the true optimal there. So people were
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: asking for an easy button or how to do it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: That's how you do it for the main sites as well. Sorry, guys,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: go ahead. I just want to make sure that was
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: something we show off because we did just add it today.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Anything else there w hoop you got or if not,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: we can move on.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, good to continue on and a good breakdown there.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: All right, anything you want to add at wide receiver,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: we talked about it a little bit. There was some
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: questions around it and stuff like that. But so if
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you have anything else there, if not, we can go
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to tight end.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean strong position. I mean I really I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: think there's going to be multiple wide receivers. I think
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: on the on the optimal tonight. I mean, love the
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Atlanta guys or love yeah, well love both sides. Love
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay side for sure. Got Godwin Evans Shepherd,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and I will say, you know, whoever is active, I
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: guess it's going to be a little bit opposite of
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: titles approach. But whoever is active, I think I'm gonna
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: play just because Baker's willing to throw to like anyone.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: It seems like anyone that's out there. And I get
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: if they do run a lot of three receiver sets,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: some of these guys might not get a lot of
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: reps on the field, but like, he'll just help, He
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: will throw it to anyone. So whoever's active, I'm gonna
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: have both.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably expect them to both be well you just
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: make them.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Rule Mats one and just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: not gonna play them both together, but I would I'm
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: probably gonna come in overweight whatever the ownership is on
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: both those guys, So obviously have to wait and see,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: but I want some exposure to whichever pass catchers out
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: there for for Atlanta and or for Tampa Bay. And
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: then on the Atlanta side, Drake, London, Mooney, McLoud, all
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: solid options. You know. McLeod is clearly the most underpriced
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: guy on this, like one of the more under priced
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: guys we've had on Showdown in a while, thirty four hundred.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, he has a legitimate role out there and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: very involved and kind of fits what Kirk Cousins wants
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: to do. I just wanted to pull up his yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: like seven five three seven in terms of targets, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: it's all like short little things that are easy to catch.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So he's a very strong play, but gonna be popular.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Need to you know, kind of be careful, you know
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: how you build those teams. But it's a very very
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: strong position. I think, you know, multiple wide receivers go off.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: All I heard was Baker spreads it around and then
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: he's not wanting him up top. So yeah, I love
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: what you said there. You you really shined on those
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: buccaneer options that he could.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I just talked my dad just taught you know, you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to make adjustments here on the show to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I just talked myself into Baker captains. He did get.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Rogers, right, so I might have to tail Tam Yeah
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: I might, I might.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I might have to reverse colors. Huh.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I definitely like Baker more than Cousins, like if you
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: were only choosing one, because I know you.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Weren't on definitely not playing Cousins. I know that's for sure.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But I may have just talked myself into playing Baker
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: because he does do it. I mean, he really is.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: When he gets in the red zone, there's like even
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: dating back like last season, just random dudes in the
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: red zone they could get targets. So yeah, maybe, uh
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: maybe you guys saw things come full circle for me.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: You have to you have to go over to check
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: out the Ship and Nation player pool to see exactly
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: where I'm at.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see where it ends up. Title anything you
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: want to add. If not, you can taste to tight
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: ends and some of the other guys there.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you for pointing that out, by
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: the way, because I was just like, you know, going
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: in and talking. I appreciate you and pointing that out.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It means a lot of little things.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: It's funny. It's so true though. It's what people here
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: is totally. It's just like when people look at the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: stone or use the optimizer, whatever tools and process they
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: have of their own. It's everybody hears things differently. Yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and I heard Hoops say this, so I went this route,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: or they I did what Tambo said and did this
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: or what title said, and it's just everyone's listening to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the same thing, but they all hear it differently. It's
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: one of those things.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, tight on position. I know you mentioned Charlie
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Warner again. I really hope you're solo shipping at all, Tambo,
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: because it won't be me today by the looks at it.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: I'll have to be leaving chumps and chumps cause I
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: ain't playing Charlie Warner. I ain't playing this Durham guy.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: What I did find interesting though, so I'm just playing
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: pits and on the props they're like the same pits.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Thirty and a half receiving our prop twenty nine and
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: a half for Otten two and a half reception prop
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: minus one fifty on the over for Pits Kate Otton's
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: three and a half at minus one thirty and the
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: only difference where Pits is a little better plus two
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: to sixty to score Oton plus three seventy. And with
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: all that being said, you have sixteen hundred dollars savings
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: with Otten the last two games. I mean he was
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: irrelevant to start off the first two games. I mean
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: it's what eight targets, nine targets the past two games,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Like you can easily be dropping Pits lineups down to Aughton.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I like gotten a good amount and I'm gonna throw
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: it back to you on this. Are you playing an
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: the Oton captain teams? Because eight and nine targets at
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: this price, maybe that's something I can talk myself into
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: an expanded a one percenter.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think I got that far yet, but it's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: never as the question. The one interesting thing is at
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: least it's leverage to what I feel is going to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: be really popular with like Godwin up top. So it's
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like you would be playing I know Evans is the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: most obvious leverage, and that's where I'm gonna push to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and be overweight on. But I think could find his
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: way and just based on that. The only challenge I
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: have is it's like the you know, it's funny. It's
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: like the cash is Ray Ray McLeod for a little
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: bit more money, you go to autumn and uh, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: get a different captain up top, that's.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: More Chief Captain Bill.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you flip the same stuff that like, he falls, But.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Those cheap lineups are going to be more duped because there's.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Will the Aughton stuff be is duped like it will
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: be to an extent if you do zero dollars but
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: you leave a three thousand with Ray Ray captain, you
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: leave five hundred with Aughton, depending on what that is
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: like that could be lower. No one wants to go
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: out in there. Ten and eleven DK points he falls
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: in the box either those maybe seventeen's enough to be
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: on captain winner to jam in the studs and a
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: different one.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, interest it might just be Baker, right, Baker, Baker,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: think about it. I'm not It's not even a joke.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's like if Auton gets in for ten
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: or you know, twelve to fifteen points. Yeah, you feel
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: like he could be up top. I'm not just like disagreeing.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that then you think you think there's no
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Evans and Godwin involvement, Baker doesn't run a little bit,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: maybe I think then there's a higher chance it's still Baker.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't disagree, and I'll probably get
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: to some of them. I love the call of like
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: a cheaper option that your point out is so good
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that people don't always catch this or see it that way.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: But of an Aughton team with five hundred bucks on
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the table is way more unique most likely than a
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Raray McLeod with a thousand or you know, a forty
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: nine k cap or something. It's just probably still more
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: unique because he's just not going to be the guy
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that people would land on there.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, again, like if it could easily be Baker.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: If Aughton does catch one, the hope is like Drake London,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: like you need raw points after that, like the Drakes
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: of the world, the cousins that be like you just
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: be the chief captain, gets you enough seventeen points up top.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: But again, don't Oughton zero.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Out of team because after and will jam in those
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: same guys, so you still have to get different in
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: the spot.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is too that people don't even know this.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe something that have watched me for a lot long time,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: but I'm the ultimate Baker hater. I've never liked this
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: guy ever, I still don't. All I care about is
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: the fantasy slate at hand. I'm not a Baker fan
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: at all. I used to call him Johnny Manziel two
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: point zero and just go off that. Obviously Manziel completely gone,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: not quite that bad, but not a big Baker fan.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: But I get why people like him. I get why
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: he can be good for fantasy and tonight, I just
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: like I said that Oughten, what you said, it's almost
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: like that one touchdown is a touchdown everyone wanted for
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Evans or Godwin. And if it only becomes that one
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: with you know, three catches, thirty yards and a touchdown,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: probably not up top. But now that really, to me
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: potentially swings the favor over to Baker even more because
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it's at least pulling away from Goblin and Evan. Just
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: how I look at things. Hoop anything you want to
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: add at tight end. If not, you could take us
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to your favorite position kickers, defenses.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I need to get off the show
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: because I'm expanding my captain playerpool basically every position to go,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: because I think I am in on the Kate Ott
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: and stuff like nine target. Yeah, I mean those numbers
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: are in saying I didn't I guess I didn't realize
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: that eight in nine targets the last two games, and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: really good point by totally if he finds the end
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: zone with that sort of workload, he's hitting seventeen eighteen
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: and at four k like man like, that's has a
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: pretty good chance to be optimal. Or like you said,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I mean it obviously could benefit Baker as well, because
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: you know, one of Godwin Evans. So now I'm talking
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: myself into basically playing all these Atlanta skill position guys.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: We'll see when I go in and build on my team.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe I just end up playing just Tampa Bay guys,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: because I actually feel much better with the Tampa Bay
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: side now talking through this slate, and not as good
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: as the Falcon I don't feel as good with the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Falcons guys up and captains. So maybe I just go
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: all in Tampa Bay captains, and you know, maybe that's
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: how I'm a little bit different well off to see,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But I do like the ottm thing, like that's a
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: big time workload, and they're without these wide receivers as well,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: so I think that's good. Called definitely prefer them over pits,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: like straight up flex whatever you're talking like OT and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: over pits for sure. If you have a team you
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: like and has pits in there, just you know, take
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: it down to Ott and leave the money on the table.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I'm good with something like that. In terms of kickers
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and defense, love the kickers. They're still going night.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: What's that priced up tonight? Aren't they? Five b?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Fifty four five and five K flat? I mean
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: still in my you know, in my eyes, that's still
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: too cheap. But I'm in on them both. I mean,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: both these guys have upside. And one thing I do
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: like doing when we talk about kickers is to look
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: at the game log and see and McLoughlin's been in
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: double digits three out of four games this year. That's nice.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: And Coup has coming off a twenty fantasy point game.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: So like there is upside with both these kickers. I
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: think they're both good for flex and then defense. Like
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I just at this point, I don't really need to
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: talk about defense. Like, if I get it in there,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I get it in there. If I don't, I don't.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing on Kickers though, people has to make
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: fun of it, but I do like your college. It's
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: one of the one spots that gamelog watching we always
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: make fun of the game log watchers, But it's more
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: of it's does this team go forward enough? Does this
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: team break down enough? Are they you know, maybe you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: can pick a little tidbit from it to say like, oh, yeah,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I forgot they gop for it on fourth all the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: time and then screws this guy over. I'm not gonna
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: be as well. Anything can happen any game, but just
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: to say it, that's kind of more of what you're
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: looking at, and with these two quarterbacks, it is certainly possible.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So I think that's interesting as well. Title anything to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: add on that, I was just saying. The price did
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: get pushed up a little bit five and fifty four hundred,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: but it's because a guy like y K if you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: want to call, you can put up what twenty points
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: last game or something. So it's in a dome, anything
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: can happen. With these guys, any any quick thoughts on them.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely prefer kickers over the defenses, but defenses
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: are going to be low on too, Like both kickers
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: and defenses have to be in check because you look
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: at that range. A we have the Ray ram McLoud
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: for cheaper that projects better that people want to go to.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Kay Dottin's like a thousand cheaper than those other guys.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: He's pretty projects pretty solid. And then from there, like
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Al's year is gonna at some ownership at forty eight
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: hundred in the same range, Picks is going to get
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: some in that same range. So there's a lot of
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: viable plays there, which makes that mid tier ish ownership
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: pretty spread out.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: And I always like kickers, so I'm.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible, and there's you know, I'm curious.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I want to get the The YouTube chat has got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: a couple wins under their belt now, so they're probably
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: feeling pretty good. What's the game score? Let's just do
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it this way instead of who wins and over under,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: just give us what you got. Is it Atlanta twenty four,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay twenty one, and that's your pick? Throw it
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: in there. Give us what you got in the comments,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: let us know. We'll pull some of them up and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: see sort of where it lands. I think the you know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the interesting part is obviously the kickers are a little
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: bit more than like a Kate ot and like you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: said again, so it's like, I get it because they're
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: going to show up in this spot and I don't
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: hate it, but I'm with you title. I like them
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: more than the defense here, and I think that's going
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to be sort of how we see it shake out.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And even in a lower scoring game, we saw it
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: where it's like that was that wasn't that the game
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: last game where he got twenty points was because it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: was like five field goals in a row or something
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: for that side. So I don't know, I just I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: think they're viable for sure. It's just how will that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: be in your build? So it's another thing to look at.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: But as far as rounding it out to Hoops point earlier,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's like on the Baker Evans Kate Otten side,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: all those three seem kind of good. Over there, we
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: know Godwin will be popular, nobody wants the running back,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: so I get that angle. And then on the Atlanta side,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: if it's like Bijon just to put them into your portfolio.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Mooney, haven't talked a ton about London even
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: And then obviously Pitt's is gonna be on own. You
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: could run it with six or seven captains night on
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: one fifty, but I'd want to be getting in on
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: those first three I mentioned a lot more so to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Hoops point of being heavier on the Tampa Bay side.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: We're sort of coming together now we're joining Force is
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: near the end of her Hoops. So any anything else
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you want to add Hoop on the DraftKings slate. If not,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: you could talk a little bit about FanDuel.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: No, I think you haven't cover the DK stuff pretty solidly,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and like I said, kind of evolved throughout the show,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: so what what I anticipated doing before the show is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: probably gonna end up being a little bit different. But
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: like I said, i'll have that all updated shortly after
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: this show in the player pool, and we'll be in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: all our cores and everything also up over on the site,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: nice and early for you guys. In terms of FANDOL,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: it's probably it's honestly pretty similar like Baker's at sixteen K.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I guess Kirk Cousins maybe a little under price there
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: at thirteen to five, Chris Godwin twelve five, Mike Evans
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: fourteen k, Bijon fourteen to five, and you have Drake
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: London eleven five. The Atlanta pass Catchers pretty cheap over
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: there as well, Mooney eight k, Ray Ray McCleod seventy
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: five hundred. I imagine those will be the primary cheap
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: options on the site. I really like Kate Otten over
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: there at eight K. I think that's a good price
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: tag for him. Kickers and Defense kind of in that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: same range eight K ninety five hundred. Not many cheap
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: options when you start going down. Sterling Shepherd's seven k,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: so not as good as a play over there as
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: he is on DK. But pretty straight up between the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: two sites, not anything nothing major different stands out.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Lot a thirty point bangers over here like Big Boys scores,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: So that is it seems like the Bucks are definitely favored,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: even when it's a small baker. Just forget the Bucks,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: it's the Tampa Bay baconeers. We're gonna get these guys
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: rolling tonight.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: We'll have the get your assid jersey after this. If
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: he goes off tonight, you're getting a Baker or jersey
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: would if you win me.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: If he wins me in the morning, I'll get a
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Baker jersey. But it is funny too. I know it's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: because of the structure, but I like I've been liking
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: FanDuel for the main slates a lot more this year.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I know I had success with the last year, so
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: obviously I love it for that reason, but I just
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: think it's been you can make a couple of mistakes
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: over there and get away with it. DraftKings you need
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the absolute pure nuts and even when you think you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: got it, somebody else, somehow had this one v one
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that you didn't have, or this two v two to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: flip it over. But obviously the format not ideal. Title
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: anything to in showdown, I should say, any anything to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: add on FanDuel side of things or thing that popped
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: out to you that you.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Saw, well I did. I feel that.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like main Slate NFL it's my favorite, But man,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: is it impossible because someone's always got a three kamara
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: for fifty that you just need.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: So at that point really hit home. Just a couple
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: of quick things.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: The kickers and defenses I think will be relatively lowish
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: owned on FanDuel kind of like DK as pivots. I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: think Mike Evans sandwiching between Bijon for five hundred more
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: and Kirk for five hundred less is a spot you
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: can get overweight on and a spot at La Jammy
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: at MVP, because when Mike Evans does, when all the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: cheeser go off. I mean you could look at two
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: hundred yards two touchdowns anyone outside of quarterbacks and Bijon
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: today always a little lower on there, and then yeah,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: there's not really like that, Cameron Johnson, he's still six k,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: so you really don't have full full puns down below.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: I will say two tight ends Pitts and Aton another
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: way to get different on fandel as well overpriced.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, I think that's what we're gonna
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: find over there is you got to find those little spots.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: It's like who said you can go off the pricing,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: but with the format you almost need to find some
• 1:05:55
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• 1:05:57
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• 1:06:00
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• 1:06:02
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  Speaker 1: should be a fun slate tonight for Hoop for title,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: for Myself, Totech and tambo let ship It.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Mother and Brothers.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: And Man's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Another with hand mons