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Honor Killings - Yaser Abdel Said - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Last week, we covered part one of the honor killings
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  Speaker 1: and dove into the Sayeed family. Now today we are
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  Speaker 1: moving on to the crime that would ultimately be committed.
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  Speaker 1: Be sure to check out part one before listening to
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  Speaker 1: today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Warning, the following podcast material intended for a matural audience listener.
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  Speaker 3: Discretion's nazzy.
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  Speaker 1: That was smooth.
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  Speaker 2: That was actually pretty smooth. I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 1: It was like quick, sharp, concise, and it was good
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  Speaker 1: to the point. To the point, yeah exactly, and the
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  Speaker 1: point is ah delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Grab yourself a beby, Yeah, because.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting into the crime of the Sayed family today.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, or the crime that was committed by the
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  Speaker 1: Sayed family. A Sayed family member, two Sayed family members,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in for it today.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we are. Do you remember last episode much at all?
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  Speaker 2: I definitely remember bits and pieces. Yeah, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's good, that's good. I mean I'll do a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a recap, so don't worry if you
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  Speaker 1: don't remember everything. I got the elevator pitch synopsis for you.
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  Speaker 1: But make sure you do check a part one for
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  Speaker 1: all that family history and all the background on who
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  Speaker 1: everyone is and the build up to what eventually happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to this today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah kidding. Honestly, when I was finishing up the writing
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  Speaker 1: for this, I was just like, ugh, I was I
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  Speaker 1: even think. I told you, like, I'm having trouble writing
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  Speaker 1: this one because I I'm just not in this case
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  Speaker 1: and it's because it's like there's I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it. I couldn't get in
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  Speaker 1: the mood or the mode for this case and the
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  Speaker 1: writing because it's just it's bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Because you just didn't want to do it. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to avoid this.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not like I'm sitting here I want to
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  Speaker 1: avoid work.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, but I mean avoiding the like the case,
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  Speaker 2: the situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's not necessarily the case and the situation. It's
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath. And you know how there's always that like
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  Speaker 1: the person who commits a crime and they're like I'm innocent,
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  Speaker 1: that portion that comes along with this case. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up. So
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  Speaker 1: which we will, of course, get into I digress. I'm
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  Speaker 1: already divulging a little bit too much. So before I
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  Speaker 1: keep blabbing my mouth, we got some patrons to thank,
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  Speaker 1: We sure do. First and foremost, I want to apologize
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  Speaker 1: to Molly, who on Tuesday I said Holly for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was because I was like scrolling through
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  Speaker 1: frazzled when saying people's names, and I called you Holly.
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  Speaker 1: So my apologies to Molly. That's totally on me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we do have patrons to thank this week, and we
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  Speaker 1: They're getting all that good good behind the scenes and
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  Speaker 1: extra content.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we got a lot of posts on there.
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  Speaker 1: We do, although we've been a little bit quiet this
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  Speaker 1: month so far.
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  Speaker 2: We're just recovering from Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: We are and thirty one straight days of talking about
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  Speaker 1: like some good movies for Halloween. So there are some
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  Speaker 1: more posts coming on Patriot. I were just kind of
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  Speaker 1: still catching our breaths. So you ready for the song?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we should do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, before we get talking too much, let's get into
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  Speaker 1: the actual case. So last episode was part one of
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  Speaker 1: the honor killings, and we covered a lot regarding the
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  Speaker 1: family's history. As I already mentioned, we talked about yes
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  Speaker 1: see her Sayid, but more importantly, his wife Tizzy, and
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  Speaker 1: their two daughters, Amina and Sarah. So by now in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Amina Sa'id was eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen years old and Sarah said was seventeen years old.
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  Speaker 1: They endured a life of growing up under their father's
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  Speaker 1: strict control and by some reports, even experienced sexual assault
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  Speaker 1: by his hand. But whatever the case, it was a
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  Speaker 1: life that they wanted to be free from, and at
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  Speaker 1: their age, you know, in their later teenage years, it
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  Speaker 1: was becoming imminent that they would leave and live their
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  Speaker 1: own lives as individuals. In fact, they're already starting to
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  Speaker 1: do that in this at this age, right, And yesr
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  Speaker 1: was like losing some of that control a bit.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they're still like they still could
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  Speaker 2: be at home for a bit, but a parent should
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  Speaker 2: accept that they need to like, you know, fly Like
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  Speaker 2: what is that saying a bird flying room its nest?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, fly, fly from the nest, leave the roost.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, right, they're getting close to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, flew the coop, I think is how you say it.
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  Speaker 2: Flew the coop.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know what you're trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: Our colloquialisms are not on point today, clearly, although I'm
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  Speaker 1: really impressed that I A knew the word colloquialism and
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  Speaker 1: second pronounced it correctly. Yeah, good work, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: He redeemed us.
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  Speaker 1: I did, I really did. But yeah. So, rather than
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  Speaker 1: live under their father's roof with this strict mindset, they
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  Speaker 1: were hoping to move off and do their own thing
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  Speaker 1: very soon. And it was on January first in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight that you see her convinced his two
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  Speaker 1: daughters to join him for dinner one evening. It was
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  Speaker 1: his treat. You know. They had just recently tried to
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  Speaker 1: do a little runaway extravaganza sort of thing. They had
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  Speaker 1: left the house with their mother, but their mother convinced
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  Speaker 1: them to come back under the guise of you know
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  Speaker 1: what you see her is like, he's sorry, he wants
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  Speaker 1: to make amends, and he wants to be better he's
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  Speaker 1: he forgives us and like it's it's all good. He
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  Speaker 1: forgives us for running.
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  Speaker 2: Away basically, right, but he was like harassing them pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, during that, During that, yeah, he was like calling, calling, calling, texting, texting, texting,
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  Speaker 1: and he's even getting other people to do the same
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  Speaker 1: to like like where you were you come home? Come
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  Speaker 1: home of just prodding constantly. So this was only days
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  Speaker 1: after that, and Amina and Sarah had returned home with
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  Speaker 1: their mother and they're going out on this dinner date.
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  Speaker 1: So it was an evening date where you see her
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  Speaker 1: and his two daughters were to be alone. The idea
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  Speaker 1: was them for to spend some time together, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in a peaceful outing, to try and reconnect, a true
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  Speaker 1: family moment to bring them together. Right. Initially, their mother,
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  Speaker 1: Tizzy was like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna come
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  Speaker 1: with you. It'll be a great off four of us.
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  Speaker 1: But you see her convinced her like, no, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna just me and the daughters tonight sort of thing. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So she's like, yeah, okay, for sure, So she stayed behind.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't join and she didn't join in with them.
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  Speaker 1: She thought it was a great idea, you know for
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  Speaker 1: them to go out and reconcile. So it was easy
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  Speaker 1: to convince her, and she fully believed that yes, Sir
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  Speaker 1: had good intentions and was being genuine with their children. However,
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  Speaker 1: we learned a lot from what kind of person you
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  Speaker 1: see he was in part one. He was manipulative, he
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  Speaker 1: was controlling, and scariest of all, when angry, he went
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  Speaker 1: to great lengths to hurt those who he had wronged.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about one individual he worked with before, where
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  Speaker 1: he waited outside work and then when he came out,
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  Speaker 1: he ran him over, not once, but multiple times until
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  Speaker 1: he died.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a feeling he's not really the most
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  Speaker 2: forgiving of people.
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  Speaker 1: No, not really No. So the girls trusted in their
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  Speaker 1: father and they joined him for that evening together. They
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  Speaker 1: all got onto his taxi cab because he frequently drove
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  Speaker 1: a taxi for work, right, So he got into his
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  Speaker 1: taxi cab and he began driving them to their dinner date.
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  Speaker 1: The destination, though, was in a restaurant. There would be
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  Speaker 1: no dinner. You see, had plans that he didn't talk
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  Speaker 1: about and other intentions. Now how it unfolded in this
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  Speaker 1: vehicle isn't exactly clear, but you see her began driving
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  Speaker 1: and took his girls to a secluded area near Omni
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  Speaker 1: Mandalay Hotel in Irving, Texas. The location was near an
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  Speaker 1: intersection of Riverside Drive and State Highway fourteen. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: area was primarily surrounded by commercial buildings and properties, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not something you'd expect when I say it's secluded,
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  Speaker 1: But due to it being New Year's Day, there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people around. Most people are at home
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and that's exactly what it was at the time. Secluded.
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  Speaker 1: It was here with the surrounding cities and the stillness
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  Speaker 1: that you see, was confident that no one would interrupt
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  Speaker 1: or witness his actions. With one daughter in the passenger
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  Speaker 1: seat next to him and one in the back seat
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  Speaker 1: behind him, you see her put his taxi in park,
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  Speaker 1: pulled out a gun and turned it on his own
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  Speaker 1: two Daughtersly, shit, yeah, wow, yeah, to say the least,
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  Speaker 1: he's a dick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Clearly he was just like lying to
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  Speaker 2: his teeth to his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's one would yeah, bringing them home saying oh no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and then being like,
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  Speaker 1: let's go out for dinner. Let's reconcile. It's all lies
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  Speaker 1: through and through complete manipulation, with which what we see
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  Speaker 1: often from psychopaths.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well, I mean and even the oldest daughter
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  Speaker 2: I remember you saying like she didn't want to go back.
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  Speaker 1: No she didn't.
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  Speaker 2: They had to really convince her, they really did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it was around seven thirty three pm this night
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  Speaker 1: that the nine to one to one dispatch received a
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  Speaker 1: call from Sarah. Now, Sarah, despite suffering from several injuries,
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  Speaker 1: was able to place a call on her telephone. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is an abridged version of that nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have the audio from it. No, so
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  Speaker 1: it cuts out a lot of the talk between first responders,
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  Speaker 1: but what you hear will be Sarah and everything she
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  Speaker 1: says and between the call being placed and someone arriving
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  Speaker 1: at the scene. So there, it's a condensed version down
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  Speaker 1: to like a minute long. But yeah, you'll you get
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  Speaker 1: everything that.
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  Speaker 2: You need from boy. Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the nine one one call.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on? Man dying?
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  Speaker 3: Curving fire above them?
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  Speaker 4: Still there are still there. I'll get it. She tell
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  Speaker 4: me she's dying. I'm getting there, ma'am, ma'am. What is
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  Speaker 4: your address, dam the jab in our Chad says, there's
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  Speaker 4: there's a driver, but there are two people had one
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  Speaker 4: in the past in received and one in the rear vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: One of the people on the in those house in
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  Speaker 4: her see looks like she funched over and blood coming
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  Speaker 4: from her ear. They're alive.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I understand that we've got our officers in
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  Speaker 1: the route. Sarah's voice during the call is clearly in
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  Speaker 1: a panic, and she becomes very weak over the short
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  Speaker 1: time she's speaking very quickly. However, despite the situation she
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  Speaker 1: was found in, she managed to name her killer when
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  Speaker 1: she very clearly states in that audio, help my dad
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  Speaker 1: shot me. I'm dying.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, wow, Like what the hell? Because and he
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  Speaker 2: just leaves them in his vehicle, so he's not really
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  Speaker 2: concerned about being found whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something that's really interesting about this case is
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  Speaker 1: how he abandoned the scene afterwards. Cause, yeah, as you heard,
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  Speaker 1: there's an officer at the window of the cab looking
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  Speaker 1: at and he sees the two daughters slumped over deceased,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's also so sad too, because you know how so
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  Speaker 2: many people that are just like I'm dying just like
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  Speaker 2: being dramatic, right, yeah, which is silly to say, Like
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  Speaker 2: I almost thought that at first, Like I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's being dramatic, but like she legitimately was dying.
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  Speaker 1: She died on that phone call with oh my goshh yep,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit. Yeah. I can't imagine being that dispatcher having to.
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  Speaker 2: Hear that well no, and then later finding out too that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like that she did die. Because I know dispatchers.
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  Speaker 2: I've watched like things where they I mean, they don't
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  Speaker 2: always know the olkkime outcome of the calls and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but there's lots that they'll you know, go and seek
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  Speaker 2: to find out. And I'm sure that's one of them,
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  Speaker 2: and it just would have been like gut wrench wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this one, I don't think that they would have
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  Speaker 1: had to uh seek out because this is quite a
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  Speaker 1: large case, so I'm pretty sure they would have known
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  Speaker 1: regardless of the situation.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: So when authorities managed to track down and arrive at
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  Speaker 1: the scene, they, as you heard and as we already
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  Speaker 1: talked about, both the girls were found to cease, with
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  Speaker 1: Yeseer nowhere near the vehicle or to be found as
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  Speaker 1: the investigation unfolded, they determined that he had actually fled
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  Speaker 1: the scene on foot and most likely through a wooded
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  Speaker 1: area nearby the Cerchiari, in hopes he hadn't gotten too far,
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  Speaker 1: but unfortunately they were unable to locate him. Meanwhile, inside
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  Speaker 1: the car, both Amina and Sarah were found with multiple
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  Speaker 1: gunshot wounds, and the injuries revealed the extent of the
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  Speaker 1: violence that was taken out on them. They had been
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  Speaker 1: shot at close range, which showed an intent to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that they did not survive. In total, Sarah had been
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  Speaker 1: shot nine times, with bruins primarily around her abdomen, yet
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  Speaker 1: she still managed to call.
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  Speaker 2: Nine to one one, whow Hey, also like nine times
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  Speaker 2: nine times? What the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: This father's a piece of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And there's there's something that I don't know something
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  Speaker 1: about that that really strikes me odd because he's shooting
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  Speaker 1: her close range, like we're talking in a car.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's the point of nine times.
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  Speaker 1: And in the in the abdomen for me? I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a statement. I think that might be something towards infidelity, pregnancy,
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  Speaker 1: bearing children, towards you know, her reproductive system, her uterus.
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  Speaker 1: That's purely speculation on my part. But when you're saying
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  Speaker 1: she was shot primarily in the abdomen, he's pointing at
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  Speaker 1: the abdomen and he pulls the trigger nine times. Why
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  Speaker 1: there's a reason that doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Make any sense. Was he thinking that they, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you'll get into this that they weren't actually going to die,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like, also, you would kind of just
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  Speaker 2: shoot like in the head, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's nothing that I know of in regards
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  Speaker 1: to that question that I could answer.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, one of them was shot nine times, and
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  Speaker 1: Amina was shot twice, which included one in the chest.
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  Speaker 1: And later on it was found that her chest cavity
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  Speaker 1: was actually filled with fifteen hundred milliliters of blood, which
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  Speaker 1: for reference, is just under the volume of four and
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  Speaker 1: a quarter cans of pop. So, again, while I don't
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  Speaker 1: know for sure, I'm a medical expert, and this is
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  Speaker 1: purely speculation on my part. With that amount of blood,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like she may have been shot in the
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  Speaker 1: heart or the artery.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking these are two very targeted spots. But again,
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  Speaker 1: this is purely speculation. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the nine times doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: No, one being shot twice and the other being shot
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  Speaker 1: nine times. I believe, if I'm going to guess, Amina
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  Speaker 1: was probably shot form and I know she died immediately
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  Speaker 1: from her injuries. It's slumped. And then he turned probably
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  Speaker 1: to the back seat where Sarah was, and began firing
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  Speaker 1: to her. Maybe she's trying to escape, but being a cab,
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  Speaker 1: I think you can actually have those doors like locked
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah is the younger one, correct.
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  Speaker 1: She's seventeen, yes, okay, And so maybe it's through the
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  Speaker 1: struggle that he got her in the abdomen. Maybe it's
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: not through aiming exactly. I'm not sure. That's again purely
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  Speaker 1: speculation on my part. All we know is that Sarah
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  Speaker 1: was shot nine times in the abdomen area and Amina
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  Speaker 1: was shot twice, once in the chest.
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  Speaker 2: This is so disturbing, so disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's a brutal death for sure, especially
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  Speaker 1: when you consider that it was dealt by family too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, your family is one thing, but your freaking dad, like,
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  Speaker 2: are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? But at least authorities, though, we're not left scratching
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  Speaker 1: their head. I mean they're like, okay, we know who
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  Speaker 1: the perpetrator is right. We literally have the victim on
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  Speaker 1: audio naming who pulled the fucking trigger.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the mom knew, you know, what they
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: were out doing and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So now a warrant of course, was immediately out
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  Speaker 1: for a rest on this sear and the man hunt
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  Speaker 1: for him was officially on. However, it would not be
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a quick and easy man hunt.
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  Speaker 2: I should just correct myself and say the mom didn't
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  Speaker 2: know like this was going to happen, but knew that
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  Speaker 2: they were out on the date in the together.
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  Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no, I knew what you meant. Okay, yep. Now,
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  Speaker 1: so instead the hunt for your seer would become one
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  Speaker 1: of the longest and most complex in recent US history.
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  Speaker 1: So it was not quick, was not overfast. It took
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  Speaker 1: a long time to find him.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: So we went in hiding.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he immediately went and dieting immediately, which may show
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: that he had actually planted out ahead of time. May
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: show premeditation because he may have picked this area at
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a park. He may have had someone come pick him
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: up at a spot. He may had things ready to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: go in hiding right away. Who knows, It's hard to say.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: He may have had a lot of cash on hand
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: ready to not have you know, the paper trails.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: He could have had a duffel bag in the back
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of his freaking trunk, for god sake, you can't have So.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: While it's not proof of premeditation, it does suggest it now.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Authorities initially thought that he might still be in Dallas,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Fort Worth area, and had appealed to the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: public for any sort of information. However, as days turned
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to years, it's exact whereabouts remained a mystery. Your jaw
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: dropped the years years. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. Oh yeah, no,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, this is one of the longest man
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: hunts in recent US history. Wow, okay, so yeah, its
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: exact whereabouts complete mystery. Investigators began to believe that you
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: see her hadn't actually stuck around in the area, but
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: instead they thought he may have fled the country, possibly
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: heading back to Egypt, where he was from and had
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: family members, And if that was the case, there's a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: good chance that they may they may never be able
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to track him down. Despite this, though, they never gave up,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: They never let go of hope. They held out for it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: They're hoping that you know what, maybe we're just wrong.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe one day he will resurface. Maybe he is around
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: here and maybe we can find him. So on December
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: fourth of twenty fourteen, six years after the murders took
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: place with no solid leads, the FBI added yese He
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to their ten most wanted list. Okay, the FBI's top
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: ten most wanted list. He was on that fucking list.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Ding dang.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were hoping that the national attention would actually
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: bring in some useful tips, really garner some awareness for
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the case now alongside this, though, alongside being on that list,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they also offered a one hundred thousand dollars reward for
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: any information leading to his arrest, which thankfully, I mean,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this did bring in the spotlight to the case, not
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: only across the US but like around the world.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also just thinking back to like what
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: kind of person he is, It doesn't make sense that
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't get in trouble in those six years, you
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: know that. I feel like something would happen potentially, but
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: maybe not. Yeah, I mean it's hard to say he's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: really laying low.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: He's laying low. Yeah, huh. If you don't want to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be caught and you're stuck on your guns, on that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you can commit, you really.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Guess, But he seemed like he had such a temper
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and it seems odd to me that he wouldn't get
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: himself in trouble again in that amount of time.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing. You're thinking of himself. You're thinking
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of him as one and alone. I'll touch on it here, Okay, well, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So anyways, the attention was drawn to this case globally,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: which is good because the idea of that he had
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: fled the country was still looming over the investigators. So
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to cover all bases, the FBI worked with Inner Pole
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: as well and issued a red notice, which is a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: request for law enforcement worldwide to locate and arrest a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: person basically now. Reports soon came in from all over
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the place, including places like Egypt and even Canada, but unfortunately,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: none of the leads had any concrete findings and it
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just left authorities with dead end after dead end. Now,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they did have a hunch, though, they grew increasingly suspicious
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that Yeseer's family members were actively helping him stay hidden.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: This is where I mean, you're thinking of him as
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a single right if he's doing it on his own, Yeah, sure,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: he may have a temper and may out himself, but
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: if he's got other people hiding him too, it's much
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: easier to see.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It makes it way easier for sure, so.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Long as you have people who are reliable who will
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: help you stay hidden and not you know, leak shit. Right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they're looking at you see his family members. Now,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: his son Islam and his brother yes Sin were frequently
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: mentioned in several FBI reports regarding this case, and they
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: were apparently known to stay in contact with him during
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this time. And we're likely providing him with shelter and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: other means of support. But that's later on for even
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the brother.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, of the two of like he murdered he his sisters, yeah, man.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But regarding that, for example, a major lead came in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the search for your Seer in August twenty seventeen August fourteenth,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: when a maintenance worker and an apartment complex in Bedford, Texas,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: reported seeing a man who looked a lot like you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: see her, and he saw him inside an apartment that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was rented by your Seer's son, Islam. So when detective
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: showed up to talk to the worker, right, they gave
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: him a photo of you see her? And said this
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is what he looks like, are you sure this is
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the guy? And he confirmed, He's like, yeah, that's the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: dude I saw. Like, that's the guy in this apartment complex,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: in this apartment number. He's like, it's being rented by
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: his fucking son.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: He's in there, so it makes sense.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So later that evening, at around six thirty PM,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: an FBI agent arrived at Islam's apartment to question him. Now,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Islam seemed visibly upset and fidgety and reportedly refused to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: cooperate with the agent whatsoever.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: During the visit, Islam made a phone call as well,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and was overheard saying, quote, we have a problem.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a bit of a problem here.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, hours later, at one am, law enforcement returned,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: but this time instead of just knocking the door and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: talking with a search warrant. But then by then the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: apartment was empty.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah that's what I was thinking.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Officers noticed that the sliding glass door on the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: patio was open, and below the balcony they saw broken
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: branches on a shrub, as if someone had recently jumped down.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Was that the same day?
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Sorry?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Same day?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Huh? So they moved real quick yep.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Next to the flattened shrub, they discovered a pair of eyeglasses,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: which they collected as potential evidence, and inside the apartment,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: investigators gathered additional items, including several cigarette but butts and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a toothbrush. These items were sent to the FBI lab
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: in Virginia where analysis tests for DNA was done on
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: them and compared to the DNA profiles of Amina and Sarah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The results suggested that the DNA on these likely are
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: most likely belong to UCR, confirming that he'd been hiding
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: out in this apartment and most likely was probably running
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: out the window just as police were busting down the door.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Man. That is such a piss off in so many ways.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Oh is it ever the fact that they were that close,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like super pissed that that the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: brother was is helping with this. I don't know why,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: but I mean, his dad is manipulated.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I can't even say manipulative. Yeah, well, I think this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: comes to the kind of what we talked about before
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with like stereotypical gender roles in that like older mindset
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, men have responsibilities and women have certain
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: responsibilities and men are you know that classic men are
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: better than Women's sort of bullshit, right, And I think
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that's where it's gonna to come, is that Islam is
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: now being tainted with his father's points of view, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: so he sees his sisters, as you know, doing all
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the wrong things that his father does, and he probably
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: agrees with his father saying yeah, you know what they
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: were wrong, You're right, mm, which is fucking bullshit.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I know, I know I'm not necessarily blaming the brother.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I guess, oh, I am.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying not to because, like I don't know
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: exactly what his dad is saying to him and everything,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: but it just does seem really wrong to me.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what's being said to you. I mean,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: if you're being like forced against your will, that's one thing.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: He's not being forced against his will.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I don't care what you're being told. I don't care
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: how manipulative you're. This person is over you. I don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: care your history or your mental illness whatever. You are
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: responsible for your actions.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: That's six years where he could have changed or made
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a different decision.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, a long time now. Don't get me wrong. If
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you do have mental illnesses or you are being manipulated
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I understand that sucks. He's still siding with
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a fucking murderer.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You don't murder someone and say hey, you know what,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You're right? Yeah, you just don't.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just seems like a tough pill
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to swallow, to be honest, it is that part to me.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It is now. Over the years, occasional tips did pop
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: up for investigators suggesting that you See Her was actually
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: still in a Dallas Fort Worth area, but somehow he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: always managed to slip away right before authorities could get close.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Police conducted regular searches of properties tied to his family,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: hoping to randomly catch him, but he seemed to have
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: mastered the art of living under the radar. He avoided
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: electronic communications, paid in cash, and moved frequently to stay
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: ahead of any of the searches. He was like a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: ghost that was basically haunting the investigation. There seemed to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: be evidence of him around, yet every time they followed
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the evidence, it led nowhere. It was frustrating authorities and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: this kept up for several years. That is until August
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Law enforcement ramped up their efforts to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: locate you see your sayeed by placing a sorry, by
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: surveilling a home in justin Texas. Okay, I see how
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I wrote that, placing a home in Justin Texas under
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours surveillance.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So they're watching this home that is Yeah, it's owned
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: by the family, or at least being rented by the family.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I just have to say, I love their efforts. They're
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: not giving up no, which is just awesome.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They're fully committed. So it was for about a week
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that agents monitored this property where they observed you see
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: your son, Islam and his brother you've seen frequently coming
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and going. And at one point, agents noticed the shadow
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: of a third person moving inside the house after Islam
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and you've seen both had left the property. Oh yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: this strongly hinted that you see her himself was hiding inside.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So after this week of close observation, the FBI obtained
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a search warrant and moved into the property. So this
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is they haven't knocked or anything. They just watched, got
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the warrant first.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And these people don't know they're being washed, correct.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So this time on August twenty six, twenty twenty
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: y see, her did not get away. He was arrested,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: taken into custody, and charged with the capital murder of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: his daughters, both Amina and Sarah at the Justin residence
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: without any incident.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And that was like a twelve year earlier that the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: shit happened. Correct, twelve years he got twelve years of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: his life.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, on the same day, in a coordinated effort,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: agents also arrested Islam said then thirty two years old,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and you see said then fifty nine years old at
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a nearby location in Ulyss, Texas.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, both were charged with concealing a person from arrest.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So over a day decade they were able to hide
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: ya Sear. There was evidence as well that other family
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: members were in regular contact with Islam, which suggested they
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: could have been a much wider network of those trying
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to actually hide ya Sear, which is hell. They helped
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: hide him for so long. However, there was never any
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: evidence to bring them to justice. Now, although you see
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: her was indicated on capital murder charges, for whatever reason,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: prosecutors chose not to pursue the death penalty, So following
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: his capture, he was held in the Dallas County Jail
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in the North Tower awaiting his trial. The trial began
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in August second, twenty twenty two. Where you see her
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: speaking through a translator because his English was still good
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: was somewhat broken. So regardless, he claimed he was not
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: present during the murder of his daughters. He is innocent.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That is complete bullshit.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Right through and through.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Malarkey, Who the fuck does this guy think he is?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Apparently he thinks he's an innocent man. That's who he
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: fucking thinks he is.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, two things. So he did have twelve years
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to like, you know, come up with a story of sorts. True,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But I have like this burning question that I'm like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: needing to ask. Okay, did the mom of the two
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: girls like all murdered have anything to do with hiding?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: No?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, no she didn't. Good, good, good.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Note shortly after the incident occurred, she officially divorced him,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and yes, she had no idea where he was or nothing.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like she probably lost her son too.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Like that is just terrible.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny that you actually bring her up
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: because she's the topic of the next next thing I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: gotta talk about here. So in court, you seers now
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ex wife Patricia Owens, or as we've referred to her
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: as Tizzy, testified in court and told the jurors about
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you Sear's history of domestic violence. Now, when asked in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the court room, who identify you Seer, she simply pointed
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: at him and said that devil there. Oh my goodness,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: yeah right, fuck yes. She continued to tell the court
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: how he monitored and controlled the girls every movement by
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: searching through their messages or whatever it was. But most incriminatingly,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: he forbade them from dating outside their culture. And I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: say incriminatingly because that plays a key here which I'm
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: about to talk about. But before I do talk about that,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I got, I got a couple other things here. Now,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Mina herself was able to provide some insight into what
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: her mother was saying with an email when she had
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: written one to a teacher just days before her murder.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So apparently these girls were actually confiding in this teacher.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: They agreed that they that this teacher is someone they
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can one percent trust. Okay, So when they like were
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like fleeing from him, and then like a couple days
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: prior and stuff, they were telling this teacher all of it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So this teacher actually testified in court regarding a lot
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: of emails and stuff, but in one email she had
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: written to this teacher, she claimed that her father was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: arranging her marriage against her will. And to quote that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: email that was read in the courtroom, quote, he has
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: simply made our lives a nightmare. He's one man, not God.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: That's what Amina said about her father.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's like putting it nicely.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I said the most incriminating thing was
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he forbade them from dating outside their culture. Prosecutors and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: family members argue that you see murdered his daughters in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a so called quote honor killing, driven by his belief
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that they had brought shame to the family by dating
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: American boys outside their Islamic faith. You see, he's cultural
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: beliefs and rigid standards clashed with his daughter's wishes to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: live more freely, creating a very volatile family environment against
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: his desire of what he wanted and what he saw.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Well, and their mom was American, right, correct, But if
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you remember he married an American.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: If you remember first episode, he was abusive to Tizzy
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: as well, and he told me directly he regrets marrying
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: an American, right, But regardless, his daughters are fucking American.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They're born in the US of fucking A.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't care what country you come from. You can
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: be full blooded whatever wherever. If you are born in
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a country, that's that's what you are. You of course
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: have culture and heritage that spreads out farther from that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: but that's I mean, that's that's what you are. That's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: your nationality.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they were living there. It only makes sense
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that they would, you know, be and find interest in
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: someone that's also living where they are living.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If you can get a passport in a country,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that's your nationality. If you can get passports in multiple countries,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you have multiple Now it's as simple as that. You're
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: born in one country, that's just your starting point nationality.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Culture and history, as far as I'm concerned, have nothing
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to do with nationalities.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this is just so interesting.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Hey.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now on the stand, you see her did admit
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: this somewhat, this whole like honor thing, and you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the dating thing. I mean to quote him, he said,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: quote in my culture, it's something to get upset about.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Acknowledging the anger over his daughter's choices and like, you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: know sort of thing. So, according to him, he was
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: thinking his daughter with this whole event. He was taking
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: his daughters out for dinner when he realized someone was
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: following them in the taxi cab. He said he planned
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: only on taking those girls out for dinner, but realized
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: they were being tailed by this other vehicle and he
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure who it was. So he pulled into this
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nearby area by the hotel, parked the car and ran,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, just leaving his daughters behind. He Jess ran, huh, okay, yeah. Now,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I do have a quote from a news source that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: quoted him in the courtroom. I'm going to read this quote. However,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I do want to say one thing. This quote goes
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: against everything else you see her says. So I'm not
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: sure if he is mixing his stories up or if
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they got the quote wrong. So regardless, this is the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: only time I've heard this version of what he says.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Everything else he says it a different way. Okay, But
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: in the court he said quote, I thought, if they
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: are my daughter's friends, let them solve the problem together.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: If they have issues, I told them, the car is yours.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want since they know how
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to drive, I left the car for them.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Aha.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense coming from like one of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the most controlling of parents right out there exactly, She
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So he's basically saying, a he knows who these people
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are following behind him, and then he's saying, be okay,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: it's your guys' problem, not mine, go ahead and deal
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: See you later.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where spoiler I mean, it's not really a spoiler alert,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: but later on and everything he claims after this, everything
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I've found on his claims. He's talking about how he
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't know who the driver is and he ran out
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: of fear. Oh yes, but we'll get into that, don't
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: worry now. In regards to nine one one and the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: call where Sarah named her father as the killer by saying,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you know, quote help my dad shot me. Yess, defense
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: team argued that this was false and Sarah was quote
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: hallucinating as a result of her traumatic injuries in her
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: final moments, So they're trying to discredit this dying, fucking
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: girl who put every last ounce of her living being
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: into identifying who shot her. Yeah, grimy as fuck.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes you feel unwell.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, prosecutors also asked you here why he went
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: on the run for twelve years if he's an innocent man,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, why did you run? Why did you hide?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: If you didn't murder your girls? And he said, quote
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: because I believe behind this coverage there was a great agenda,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and I feel that the media was against me in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a certain direction that I would not get a fair trial.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, to play like devil's advocate, that is
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that makes kind of sense, though it does.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: It does to a certain degree. However, you need to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: consider why is the media and investigators, police and the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: public everyone, Why is everyone blaming him for the murder?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of evidence that points towards him.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: His deceased daughters were found in his cab. Yeah, the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: nine to one call has the dying daughter, Sarah naming
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: names killer.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: He has like a very abusive history towards them.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: And controlling, and before it was even on the news,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he was already in hiding. And there's another final piece
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of evidence I'll talk about here later. But yeah, So anyways,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: after the closing arguments for his trial, the jury deliberated
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: for just three hours before returning with their verdict. They
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: found you see her, Abdel Said guilty of capital murder
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of parole.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: He is serving his sentence at the McConnell unit in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: b County, Texas.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I mean three hours, that's it. Yeah, And this is
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a huge case, right, so it's pretty much obvious that
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it was him.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Oh exactly, yeah, one hundred.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: There wasn't anyone in that room wavering, no.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Doubt, no doubt. Now, his son, Sayid sorry Islam Said,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: was also charged in connection with helping his father of
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a cap sure. On January nineteenth, twenty twenty one, Islam
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to harboring a fugitive, conspiring to harbor a fugitive,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and conspiracy to obstruct justice. On April twenty seventh, twenty
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: twenty one, he was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yesee's brother, Yesin Sayid faced similar charges, and on February fourth,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, y Seine was found guilty of conspiracy
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and harboring a fugitive and was sentenced to twelve years
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: in federal prison. On June fourth of twenty twenty one.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Sorry, how long I dazed out twelve verseec there twelve years,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: twelve years, two four years.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: The son was given ten years and his brother was
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: given twelve. Okay, yeah, Now there's a letter that Yeseir
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: had written to the judge in regarding of his case.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I watched this little kind of documentary kind of it's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: more of an interview really than a document a mini documentary.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: It's like forty five minutes long. It's called the Interview
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: with a Killer. And this guy talks to you, Sear,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and he's questioning him while he's behind bars and everything,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and they one of the first things they touch on
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is they briefly touch on this letter, but they show
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the whole letter on the screen. So I pause it
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and I type the whole thing out.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read that letter for you right now, okay,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: in this what he had written this to the judge.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Sphear had written this to the judge. And
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it goes like this, your honor, I want you to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: know as well as I do, what this accusation is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: really about. It's about some people they thought themselves above
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the law in USA. My accusation was gift from the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: sky to achieve their political agenda, using money, influence and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: political pressure to change laws in small countries like emirates.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: In my case, you could smell strongly conspiracy in the atmosphere.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: To achieve their political agenda, they spend a lot of money.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about one hundred thousand dollars reward for
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: reporting some one over violent accusations which never happened before.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about million of dollars. So that's what this
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: is about. Conspiracy. Conspiracy, with my full respect, you see
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: her asaid Wednesday, February second, twenty twenty two. So there's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a lot to break down there within this interview. He
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: still stands by his claims, and as you can clearly
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: tell by this letter that he wrote to the judge
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and during which he talks about the day his daughters
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: were killed and how they were being followed by another car. So,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: according to him, he fled because he was mad and afraid. Actually,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: initially he asked or sorry, he said mad. He fled
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: because he was mad, and then the interview viewer said
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: mad or afraid, and then you see her both, yeah,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: most likely covering his tracks. The interview gave him the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: afraid and he jumped on that real quick, but he
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: initially on his own free will, only said mad. Now
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: after he fled the car, he does not know what
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: happened to Sarah and Amina, And as far as he
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: knows who was driving the car that was following them,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know who they are or where they went
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: after this all happened either. All he knows is that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: they are after him and not his daughters, which is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: why he ran to leave them behind. So this is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: where it differs, because first, that quote that I read,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: where I said, it's the only time I've heard that story.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: He's saying he knew the people following them were friends
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of his daughters or knew them, and he left them
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to deal with it. Now he's saying he doesn't know
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: who is following him, and in fact, he even mentioned
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: seeing two cars at one point, oh geez, yeah, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: knowing that they're out for him specifically, not his daughters.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: So how can you not know who they are? Yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and then know they're after you and not your daughter's
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: in the same breath and be.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: So scared too not knowing who they are right exactly?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Now, here's another important piece of the story. You see,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: her was actually being followed that night.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It's true he was, but I'm wondering if it was
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: by like the boyfriend.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Correct, Oh, no, okay, So in the courtroom, Amina's boyfriend
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: testified that he and his father were the ones following
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: in the car. Now, call it being at the right
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: place at the right time, call it coincidence, whatever you want.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: But while they were driving, they just so happened to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: see Amina in the taxi cab with her father, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: they knew what this kind of man he was or whatever,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and so he's like, dad, follow her real quick, right,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: So they briefly followed the taxi before you know, amandining
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: and leaving them alone, continuing on their own way. They
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: did not follow as far as the hotel. They followed
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: for a few minutes. Was that so maybe when you
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: see her did say it was friends of my daughter?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He is right, But then why is he saying these
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: other things now while in prison. It's all so convoluted
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and so bullshit doesn't make sense.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Well, because who would want his daughters dead? It doesn't
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: seem like there's anyone out there that would.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: No, there is no one. There's no proof, there's no evidence,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: there's no nothing, yeah, digging into any sort of emails,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: text messaging, or any witnesses, they all point to the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: only person who that they have a problem with is
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: their father. Now, prosecutors do say that this detail about
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend following was something that you see or jumped
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: on as a defense to claim his innocence. He saw
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: this and it was just like, yes, here's my out.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well, I mean, honestly, even just being able
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: to hide for like twelve years, I don't feel like
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: this guy he's not stupid, right, he isn't He isn't.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's thinking of how to save his
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: own ass. He's stupid in the sense of he's like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a complete jackass, and like how or did he do this?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I think he is just stupid if I'm being honest,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: because like you listen to him talk, and don't get
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: me wrong, if there could be a language barrier thing there,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: because English isn't certainly not his first language. So I'll
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: give him credit where credit is due. You know what,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: he is speaking a second language. I can't speak a
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: fucking second language, so he's got that one up on me.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But when you hear him talk and he's explaining things
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it just the dots don't connect. But he's just like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it does, like believe it, it should connect for you,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: but it just doesn't connect, like there's nothing there.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Hmm. I don't know. I guess I just it's slightly
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: impressive to be able to to be on the run
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: for that long without being caught.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: It is, it is.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But going back to that that letter he wrote to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the judge, there is one thing that he says in
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: there now using money, influence and political pressures to change
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: laws in small countries like Emirates. Now, within that interview,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: on that interview with a Killer, he says the same thing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: He's saying that his he's being framed for this by
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: someone he doesn't know, and there's a conspiracy going on
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: so they can take this case and change laws in
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: other countries.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And this Emirates like what doesn't make any sense?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: No sense? And that's the interview even calls him on that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: He's like, that's that's preposterous, Like no, and he's just like, well,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that's what it is.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: He's claiming that some unknown fucking person is framing him
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: for murdering his daughters to change laws in another country.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, he is.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But how does that make any sense? It doesn't. That
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: makes no sense whatsoever. How does that have any sort
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: of fucking ties? Now, the last little piece of evidence
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about here, So I scrolled
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: up back to that letter. So I gotta find my
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: place again. Okay, So here we are. As you may remember,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Sarah's phone call to nine to one one, as we
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: discussed at the very beginning, was at seven thirty three
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: pm that evening. Okay, right, okay, Well, only four minutes
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: before that nine to one one call, you see, her
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: took a phone call from someone else, his then wife, Tizzy,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and during that call never mentioned anything about being followed,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: never mentioned anything about being threatened or anything. That call
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: was at seven twenty nine. I'm not sure how long
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it lasted. Let's just say it lasted thirty seconds.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, she's kind of probably just checking in. I'm assuming, yeah, something.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure what the the phone call was about. Yes,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: she phoned real quick or whatever, and they he answered,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: They talked for a brief moment, and that was that.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Let's assume that phone call lasted thirty seconds. Okay, So
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that now leaves us with a three minute and thirty
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: second window from when the nine when one call was placed.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Say that attack took over the course of nine shots
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: being fired to one two shots being the other. Say
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: it took twenty seconds. We now have three minutes and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: ten seconds between phone call and phone call. Yeah, three
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: minutes and ten seconds for two people to get fucking murdered.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: That is no time from even from the call there
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: like that is Oh, that's wild.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: No, you have no time to be noticed that you're
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: being followed to go park somewhere, run out of the car,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: not know what happened to your daughter's Can hear the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: fucking gunshots if someone else does run up to the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: car and then shoot them from within the car, not
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to mention the daughters, Just what sit in the car
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and wait?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's not like it was like one shot.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: It was a lot. It was eleven shots exactly.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So I one percent. This is why I was so
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not wanting to research this case, and I'm just so
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: done with it because it just doesn't make sense. My
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: brain was scrambled, and like, how do I make sense
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of this tom foolery that he's trying to convince people of.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: That's shocking to me that the mom had called four
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: minutes before.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Four minutes dang, four minutes between call and call, from
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the beginning of call to beginning.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Really, hey, oh okay, that's that is that's mind blowing
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: to me, right huh. And this guy is literally just
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: saying it wasn't him.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like that fucking shaggy hung wasn't me. They're
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: coming on the count. It wasn't me. Happened in my
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: fucking cabby wasn't me?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, the fact that he killed his two
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: daughters and then now is just such a complete piece
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: of shit.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: This guy just makes me slick sick.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Right to think he's like to be. I can't think
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: of the word when you think so highly of yourself.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: What's the word I'm thinking of.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Complete douche canoe.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: When you're a complete douche canoe. There we go, that's
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the word. When you're a complete douche canoe like him,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and you think so highly of yourself that you murder
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: your own daughters. There is blatant evidence for it, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: then you go on to say I'm innocent and my
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: name is what they're trying to use to change laws
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: in a fucking country, you're not that important. But exactly,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you're not that fucking important. No one in that fucking
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: country knows who you are, or any of those countries
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: over in the Emirates, and none of them unless it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like a direct relative, and I guarantee you by now,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: they probably don't give a fuck about him anyways.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Is that documentary worth watching to like see how he
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: acts and stuff? It is?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a joke. Everything he says is a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: fucking joke. Because usually when you when you're talking to
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a fucking killer, you're you're taking their time. They don't
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: need to fucking talk to you, right m hm. And
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: so it's like you got to be real careful how
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: you're talking and like to get the information out. And
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: he kind of, like the interviewer says, he's like, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of warming up and trying to draw these
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: questions out. But within seconds of sitting down, you see
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: HER's like, and I'll fucking tell you. And it's like
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: he's just gonna spill it all.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Why would he fucking spill it all? Because he has
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a story he wants you to believe. Oh gosh, sorry,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going off on like a major rant on this
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: one here.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just unbelievable.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I got a little, a last little
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: couple sentences here that I wrote up, and I want
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to I want to read it verbatim because this is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: what I was feeling at the very end of this.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And uh, I can't even remember what I wrote, but
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this. Kay. So it seems like,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: no matter the claims that you see her has, his
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: innocence is a clear lie. He murdered his two daughters
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: in cold blood for dishonoring their family, culture and heritage. However,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: he got it wrong. In reality, he was simply overbearing, controlling,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and the true dishonor of their family. Those two girls
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: were everything that man could never be.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is the story of the honor killings.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And uh, Sarah and Amina sayid.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Gosh eighteen and seventeen. Yeah, and then also their.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Mom too, right like gosh, yeah, he ruined her life.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a son now, basically, I'm sure, I mean,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: maybe she has a relationship with them, maybe they're able
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to figure something out.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but well, and I can only imagine
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: just not that she should or anything, but like just
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the feeling of like guilt, right, Yeah, that that guilt
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: is feeling she brought them back.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: It's not her fault though, no, and I'm.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Not saying it is, yeah, but it's just like I'm
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: sure that she's just beaten herself up about this.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Which she shouldn't. But that's that's the thing. It's like,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: when you get into that situation, so many people blame themselves.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: So many people blame themselves for so many things. It's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: not their fault.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And he's such a piece of shit too that now
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: he has ruined his his only living other kid, who's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: now having to be in jail for ten fricking years. Yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure that twelve years of hiding his dad
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: was not fun.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: And then also his brother and stuff too. So he's
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: just like such a selfish piece of shit.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just literally dragging every fucking single one down
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, anyone that was kind of close to him.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so fuck him.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a brutal case, right, huh.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand people like that. I could because
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I we all know I love to play devil's advocate.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I really do to try and get that understanding, that perspective,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and there is I can never wrap my head around
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: individuals who think like this, who just I'm innocent, believe
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: me because I say it. No, that doesn't work like that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: There are people in jail that or have been in
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: jail and stuff that are innocent.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Like it does happen, Oh it does, but he's not.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: He's not wrong.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it doesn't like this the evidence and like
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: there's just no one else. There's just no room for
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: it to be anyone else. No, in my opinion, there's not.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm while I didn't find all the details on
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: like you know, the car being searched and everything, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: you know what, now I think of it. I didn't
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: really think of this ahead of time, but as as
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: my thought processes are going, I guess I'm just gonna
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: spew this. I'm sure that they fingerprinted the car, but
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it being a taxi cab, I mean, I'm sure there's
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of different fingerprints and stuff all throughout it,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: But I mean they didn't find any evidence of any other.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Person's well, yeah, and just the fact that the mom
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: had called that's wild because if something was wrong, you
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: would think, you know, she would know, Yeah, like she
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: know if someone was like if they were in pursuit
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: kind of right now.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Right, he probably wouldn't have answered the phone if he
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: was frank driving totally. Yeahn't say anything to her because
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: they have the phone record. Like they have the record,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: they know what the conversation was. There was nothing mentioned.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Huh nothing, Oh my gosh. So yeah, so sad. Hopefully
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you guys are angry at him too, because he's a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: douche canoe for sure. That's how you describe him. Ruche canoe.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, among many other things.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, the list goes on.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I probably should just shut up. I could
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: say a lot of things about this guy. This guy's
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: pissing me off.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And he only went in jail just just recently, just
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that he had twelve years too is
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: also pisses me off.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine he lived the greatest of years
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: though in those twelve years.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he still got to like order a pizza
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: if he wanted, Yeah, I know, watch the sunset and
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: all this shit that he just didn't deserve. I know
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: what you mean, I know what you mean, but I
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: hope those twelve hours were shit.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I know, while he was free, he didn't have freedom,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, So anyways, thank you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: guys for being here. Hopefully you enjoyed that, and hopefully
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: you did listen to the two parts. I know it
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: probably could have jammed this all into one episode, but
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to make sure that we had room
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to rent in this second one. So yeah, yeah, just
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to say that. So it was a bit of
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: a rant.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: It would have been a long episode if it was one.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I feel it would have been because the other one.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Part one was a bit short. I think it was
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: almost forty minutes, and I'm not sure what we were
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: up to on this one, but it would have been
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: over an hour for sure. So splitting it up I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: think was a good, good idea, and I think the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: previous history on the family and then the crime is
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: a good way of doing it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: And like I've said, part one and part two, it
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: gives you something to look forward to in between.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: That's not a bad thing, that's true. So hopefully you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: guys enjoyed a part one and part two, and of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: course we'll be back with more episodes here out Tuesdays
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and Fridays. It's us. We're an any podcast. We produced, research,
• 57:00
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• 57:03
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• 57:06
  Speaker 1: world because without you, we wouldn't be able to do this.
• 57:09
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• 57:11
  Speaker 1: All our links in the description of the podcast, get
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: them all down there, merch, Patreon, you name it. I'm
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: just rambling now. Yeah, I'm gonna chug my beer and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: then go to bed and until next time.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Until next time, stay wicked.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah that was a two fer.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good job.