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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Did he steaks Exhibit triple X and Mary Freeko of Christmas?
- 0:11Speaker 1: Everybody?
- 0:12Speaker 2: This as we learned Seawan Comb's texts about his crimes
- 0:17Speaker 2: and code words. But don't worry, there's no need to
- 0:20Speaker 2: call him the code breakers at Bletchley Park. I think
- 0:23Speaker 2: I figured it out comes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
- 0:27Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Draggings, druggings.
- 0:32Speaker 2: He beat her to hell and back, marathon sex sessions,
- 0:37Speaker 2: tore down the door, He smacks her in the.
- 0:40Speaker 3: Face, inflicting pain and cruelty.
- 0:42Speaker 4: A scene out of the shining.
- 0:44Speaker 1: Nothing more than an animal.
- 0:48Speaker 2: We are live outside the Manahaan Federal Courthouse standing by
- 0:51Speaker 2: is Tisa tells investigator and commentator star Off Tisa Tales
- 0:56Speaker 2: on YouTube. Tisa, You've got to explain how the jury
- 1:01Speaker 2: reacted when they got to see States Exhibit triple X,
- 1:06Speaker 2: the freak coffdeos.
- 1:07Speaker 5: The jurors reaction was the same as the gallery's reaction.
- 1:11Speaker 5: When I say they were disgusted. One juror had to
- 1:16Speaker 5: look away. Now, mind you, we heard.
- 1:19Speaker 4: Faint moments, fate murmurings.
- 1:22Speaker 5: Okay, and that and again they turned off all audio
- 1:25Speaker 5: to the gallery. So the fact that it was that loud.
- 1:28Speaker 5: But when you see the jurors, they were some of
- 1:31Speaker 5: them were leaned in. One had to turn their head
- 1:34Speaker 5: away in disgust. They were up, they were attentive, they
- 1:38Speaker 5: were taking notes, and they were puzzled by what they
- 1:41Speaker 5: were seeing. I would actually choose the word disgusted. It
- 1:45Speaker 5: was a really, really weird moment. But you know what,
- 1:47Speaker 5: it had to be done.
- 1:49Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious, you said.
- 1:51Speaker 2: Some of the jurors looked discussed as some of them
- 1:54Speaker 2: turned away.
- 1:55Speaker 1: I understand that.
- 1:56Speaker 2: Some of them winced that one jarar was looking through
- 2:00Speaker 2: their hands.
- 2:02Speaker 1: I want to find out.
- 2:04Speaker 2: Were they male Gurrs or female Gurrars that had this reaction.
- 2:09Speaker 4: Well that's the funny thing.
- 2:11Speaker 5: The people, Okay, so I'll just break it down, right,
- 2:14Speaker 5: But the female jurors actually looked away in disgust.
- 2:18Speaker 4: Not all, but some looked away in discuss.
- 2:21Speaker 5: The males, interesting enough, were leaning forward, wincing, going back,
- 2:27Speaker 5: rubbing their heads it whatever they were seeing on those screens.
- 2:30Speaker 5: Because we were not privy, it was shaking everyone. And
- 2:33Speaker 5: again the men had to WinCE and look away. It
- 2:37Speaker 5: was quite a safe to see.
- 2:38Speaker 2: So even though the gurrrs had, you know, a secret
- 2:43Speaker 2: screen to look at, and they had on earphones, you
- 2:47Speaker 2: could still hear the moaning and the groaning from the video.
- 2:53Speaker 1: In Moel in the audience.
- 2:56Speaker 5: Yes, now that was a surprising thing. Clearly there was
- 3:00Speaker 5: something being played that there were no headphones. But in
- 3:03Speaker 5: the well inside the courtroom, we were actually in the courtroom,
- 3:07Speaker 5: you could hear.
- 3:08Speaker 4: Faint moaning, faint talking, faint mumbling. Now when you heard that.
- 3:14Speaker 5: Just very faintly, combined to when the jurors were leaning
- 3:18Speaker 5: in looking away, wincing, it created just a disgusting scene,
- 3:23Speaker 5: super disgusting. Oddly enough, the person that didn't have headphones
- 3:27Speaker 5: and didn't have privy to it was Sean Colms, And
- 3:31Speaker 5: oddly enough he's the one that later on requested that
- 3:34Speaker 5: he have access to watch the freak golf tapes in
- 3:37Speaker 5: the back.
- 3:37Speaker 1: So what was his response? What was I mean? What
- 3:41Speaker 1: can you do? The jury is watching.
- 3:43Speaker 2: You butt naked, or maybe he had a burka on,
- 3:48Speaker 2: or maybe hearing him directing everybody else about what they
- 3:52Speaker 2: should be doing, and.
- 3:54Speaker 1: They're all looking over at him. What can he do?
- 3:56Speaker 1: What did he do?
- 3:57Speaker 4: I'll tell you what he did. He actually looked like
- 4:00Speaker 4: he was a little bit proud. It was odd he
- 4:02Speaker 4: got a little step in that he started moving around.
- 4:06Speaker 4: I thought he would be shamed in a polder at.
- 4:08Speaker 5: Least sit there and try to look like a puppy dog,
- 4:10Speaker 5: even though he probably looked like a rabbit rottweiler. Instead,
- 4:15Speaker 5: he got this confidence to us actions.
- 4:18Speaker 4: Nancy, I gotta tell you, I was there. I saw him.
- 4:20Speaker 4: It seemed like he was proud of what the jurors saw.
- 4:24Speaker 5: And I literally sat there and said, he hasn't learned
- 4:26Speaker 5: a thing, and if somehow he pulls out a not
- 4:30Speaker 5: guilty verdict, he is going to be hell on wills again.
- 4:33Speaker 4: It was pride in his movements, not a look ashamed.
- 4:36Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like when you say if he's found
- 4:39Speaker 2: not guilty, he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm.
- 4:41Speaker 1: Totally getting my car car bombed. Okay, I like kid Kenny. Yeah,
- 4:45Speaker 1: there's no coming.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Back from the adddddy and theddty wand I've gotten them
- 4:50Speaker 2: all here.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to come after me.
- 4:53Speaker 2: So I've got the juror reactions, I've got Sean Cohn's reactions.
- 5:00Speaker 1: What about his legal team.
- 5:01Speaker 2: This is when for those of you just joining US States,
- 5:04Speaker 2: exhibit Triple X, the freak off Hotel Night, King Night.
- 5:11Speaker 2: There's so many ephemissions for this. Most of us call
- 5:15Speaker 2: it sex trafficking caught on video. But what was the
- 5:18Speaker 2: defense team doing during it? Like taking notes furiously not
- 5:21Speaker 2: looking up, saying over and over, this isn't happening, This
- 5:25Speaker 2: isn't happening.
- 5:26Speaker 1: This is not why I went to law school.
- 5:27Speaker 5: So the defense team, listen, they had their game faces on.
- 5:31Speaker 5: Most of them were staring just straight.
- 5:34Speaker 4: They were trying.
- 5:34Speaker 5: They had their poker faces on. If anything, they looked
- 5:37Speaker 5: like they were like, this isn't happening, this isn't happening.
- 5:40Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, Brian still was kind of leaned into Diddy.
- 5:44Speaker 5: Now they were not talking, but it was kind of
- 5:46Speaker 5: leaned into their Probably wanted to tell him when you
- 5:49Speaker 5: stopped acting, so gushdarn proud and just sit there or
- 5:54Speaker 5: look at the ground. But like you said, I know
- 5:56Speaker 5: you don't like to hear about the not guilty. I
- 5:58Speaker 5: do not think that the jury even has the evidence
- 6:01Speaker 5: to even pull out a not guilty verdict. But we
- 6:03Speaker 5: did hear that he is manifesting, and he's probably doing
- 6:06Speaker 5: blood ritual sacrifices on the rats and roaches in his
- 6:09Speaker 5: jail cell. So who knows we will see a manifestation
- 6:12Speaker 5: is real because I am sure he's doing everything he
- 6:15Speaker 5: can to manifest him not guilty.
- 6:16Speaker 2: Okay, you know what you just said, Tisa Tales and
- 6:19Speaker 2: Sydney Summer. You can back me up on this, Tisa
- 6:22Speaker 2: tilS at the get go when you said he's doing
- 6:25Speaker 2: voodoo rituals Santa Ria on the rats and roaches in
- 6:28Speaker 2: his jail cell, there is actually evidence that before this
- 6:32Speaker 2: trial started, when everything was starting to go down, he.
- 6:36Speaker 1: Did a voodoo ritual. I think it was in Central Park.
- 6:40Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to Sidney Sumner on that,
- 6:42Speaker 2: and a bird was involved.
- 6:44Speaker 1: You know what.
- 6:44Speaker 2: It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull
- 6:47Speaker 2: this one out of his you know where.
- 6:50Speaker 1: Okay. So I understand what Brian Steel was doing. I
- 6:54Speaker 1: know him, not.
- 6:55Speaker 2: Socially but through practicing. He's a defense attorney. When I
- 6:58Speaker 2: was prosecuting, he's a great lawyer.
- 7:02Speaker 1: Okay.
- 7:03Speaker 2: Now I know that he and every member of this
- 7:06Speaker 2: defense team has stilled themselves pardon the pun against the
- 7:10Speaker 2: free cough videos. Okay, I know they've seen it. Still
- 7:16Speaker 2: may look affable friendly, and he is. He is genuinely
- 7:20Speaker 2: affable and friendly, but he's a hard as nails trial lawyer,
- 7:26Speaker 2: so I know he's watched all of these videos to
- 7:29Speaker 2: be prepared not to react in court.
- 7:32Speaker 1: That's really hard to do.
- 7:33Speaker 2: I've had to do it a million times when a
- 7:35Speaker 2: witness would go sideways or something really bad would happen
- 7:38Speaker 2: for the state in the court, you have to act
- 7:40Speaker 2: like nothing happened. You cannot show any emotion. But still
- 7:46Speaker 2: watching all of that, you know he's a teetotaler, brings
- 7:49Speaker 2: his own chicken sandwich every day that he makes at home,
- 7:52Speaker 2: drinks nothing but.
- 7:53Speaker 1: Water, that whole thing.
- 7:55Speaker 2: So this must have been a shock to the census
- 7:57Speaker 2: for Steel. Okay, what about the state, How did they react?
- 8:01Speaker 2: I hope they showed no emotion at all.
- 8:04Speaker 5: The state did what they needed to do. They showed
- 8:06Speaker 5: absolutely no reaction at all. They stayed stared forward and
- 8:12Speaker 5: stealing silence, and they really gave the the feeling of
- 8:16Speaker 5: this is what it is, and you guys are going
- 8:19Speaker 5: to have to look at the debauchery that this man
- 8:23Speaker 5: was proud of.
- 8:24Speaker 4: Again, it was a very sobering time.
- 8:26Speaker 5: You have the state looking forward sober, You have the
- 8:29Speaker 5: jury like just disgusted.
- 8:30Speaker 4: Looking forward, looking away, flinching.
- 8:33Speaker 5: You have everybody pretty much acting like you said they
- 8:36Speaker 5: should be acting or expected, and then you have Diddy
- 8:39Speaker 5: in the middle of it, like a rooster proud of
- 8:42Speaker 5: what he's done.
- 8:43Speaker 4: That man has not learned a thing.
- 8:45Speaker 1: Okay, now that you said rooster.
- 8:47Speaker 2: Just in case you think I'm fabricating his whole voodoo ritual.
- 8:52Speaker 2: You started this testales not me. You said it straight
- 8:55Speaker 2: to Sidney Sumner. Wasn't it something to do with the
- 9:00Speaker 2: the j Loo shooting although Jennifer Lopez did not pull
- 9:04Speaker 2: the trig or she.
- 9:04Speaker 1: Just happened to be there.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Didn't that voodoo bird ritual have something? Right before his
- 9:11Speaker 2: nightclub shooting trial?
- 9:13Speaker 1: What happened, Sidney Nancy?
- 9:15Speaker 6: It was actually the day the verdict of that trial
- 9:18Speaker 6: was red, so Colms was accused of having a gun illegally.
- 9:22Speaker 6: He was put on trial. Scrapper Shine Barrow claims he's
- 9:26Speaker 6: the guy who took the fall for this, but it
- 9:29Speaker 6: really was Diddy behind the trigger and Colms apparently went
- 9:33Speaker 6: to Central Park with some kind of religious man who
- 9:38Speaker 6: was holding a bible burning stage and asked Combs to
- 9:44Speaker 6: release a white dove from a cage and Didty's former bodyguard,
- 9:50Speaker 6: Jeane Deal, claims that when did, he pulled the berg
- 9:53Speaker 6: from the cage and threw it into the air. It
- 9:56Speaker 6: didn't fly, it was dead, and later that day he
- 9:59Speaker 6: was a of all charges.
- 10:01Speaker 2: Okay, so the poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange
- 10:04Speaker 2: for not guilty. Okay, Sidney, thank you for that legal update. Okay,
- 10:09Speaker 2: back to TASA Tales outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Guys,
- 10:12Speaker 2: Shawn Combs on trial in a multi count federal in
- 10:15Speaker 2: dietment including charges of sex trafficking and Rico organized crime.
- 10:20Speaker 2: TASA Tales. I understand three videos were played by the prosecution.
- 10:26Speaker 2: Three of those were provided by Cassie Ventira, and then
- 10:29Speaker 2: there was one that I believe starred the Punisher.
- 10:34Speaker 5: Yes, yes, now we were not privy to who starred
- 10:38Speaker 5: in what.
- 10:39Speaker 4: But earlier the prosecution did actually say that there was
- 10:43Speaker 4: actually I think seven to nine videos that they actually recovered.
- 10:47Speaker 4: Three of them they.
- 10:48Speaker 5: Would actually show in court, and one of them was
- 10:51Speaker 5: supposed to feature the Punisher, which is why he was
- 10:54Speaker 5: one of the men to actually testify.
- 10:56Speaker 2: Now, you stated that during all of this, Brian still
- 11:00Speaker 2: kind of leaned over toward Shawn Comes even though they
- 11:04Speaker 2: were not talking.
- 11:04Speaker 1: Is that correct?
- 11:05Speaker 4: That is correct?
- 11:06Speaker 5: He did the lawyer lean over in almost like he
- 11:10Speaker 5: wanted to get his ear.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Okay, straight out to Greg Morse joining me Veteran try
- 11:14Speaker 2: a lawyer, criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal, author of
- 11:18Speaker 2: the untested on Amazon, he is joining us out of
- 11:21Speaker 2: the Palm Bates jurisdiction. Morse, when the jury is wincing
- 11:27Speaker 2: and hiding behind their hands watching videos of your client,
- 11:33Speaker 2: there's really nowhere to hide.
- 11:34Speaker 7: Well, there's I mean, it's not unexpected. The defense was
- 11:38Speaker 7: probably on some level board because they knew this was
- 11:40Speaker 7: coming in. But it's just like autopsy photos, it's your
- 11:46Speaker 7: control room.
- 11:47Speaker 2: I think there's something wrong with my ifbabe, because I'm
- 11:49Speaker 2: pretty sure I heard Greg moorese state that while watching
- 11:53Speaker 2: a forced orgy where women are wincing and hiding their eyes,
- 11:58Speaker 2: that Moore said it was probably boring.
- 12:00Speaker 1: So there, obviously I'm not hearing correctly. Could that was
- 12:06Speaker 1: you said again or you.
- 12:07Speaker 7: Added the word force? So let's talk about the evidence
- 12:10Speaker 7: in the game. They watched it, they watched a video.
- 12:14Speaker 7: All of the videos are introduced so the jury when
- 12:16Speaker 7: they're deliberating, can watch them all. The defense was ready
- 12:19Speaker 7: for this. They knew this was coming in. There's nothing
- 12:21Speaker 7: they can do about it. It's a video. Their argument
- 12:24Speaker 7: is this is consensual, and you mentioned the punisher in
- 12:27Speaker 7: one of the videos, you better believe. In closing, the
- 12:30Speaker 7: defense is going to go back to the punisher's testimony
- 12:33Speaker 7: about how consensual this was with Cassie and how their
- 12:37Speaker 7: relationship was fine and nothing forced. So listen, you're asking
- 12:41Speaker 7: regular people to watch some pretty aggressive amateur porn that's
- 12:45Speaker 7: always shocking, and you know they are going to WinCE
- 12:48Speaker 7: and turn away, just like they would if they were
- 12:50Speaker 7: watching something like that at home. Not an a criminal case,
- 12:53Speaker 7: but it doesn't mean he's going to be found guilty
- 12:56Speaker 7: of the sex trafficking. It doesn't mean it was the force, fraud,
- 13:00Speaker 7: or coercion, It doesn't mean any of those things. They
- 13:03Speaker 7: knew this was coming in, and you know it is
- 13:05Speaker 7: what it is and did he probably wanted to watch
- 13:07Speaker 7: it afterwards because the man's in jail. He doesn't see
- 13:10Speaker 7: naked women very much.
- 13:11Speaker 6: Miss Mike.
- 13:12Speaker 2: Yes, Greg Morris, did you grow up having your mom
- 13:15Speaker 2: or dad read you the Acep's fables. I guess it's
- 13:19Speaker 2: that one where there's the three monkeys sitting there and
- 13:22Speaker 2: one says he sees no evil, the other here's no evil.
- 13:26Speaker 2: Other speaks no evil. Okay, because I think you have
- 13:30Speaker 2: that syndrome, and I think it's pretty serious. Sidney Sumner,
- 13:35Speaker 2: speaking of the punisher, suggesting or proving that nothing was forced.
- 13:41Speaker 2: Which one of the sex workers testified that during a
- 13:45Speaker 2: free cough, Shawn Holmes directed Cassie Ventira into.
- 13:51Speaker 1: The other room, the other bedroom there's always a suite.
- 13:54Speaker 2: At the very least, and he could hear a beating
- 13:57Speaker 2: going down over her performance in the free cough. She
- 14:01Speaker 2: came flying out of that room where she was being
- 14:04Speaker 2: beaten and jumped in the sex worker's lap for protection.
- 14:10Speaker 2: Now did I make that up or was that part
- 14:12Speaker 2: of the testimony, Nancy?
- 14:13Speaker 6: That was actually the very first escort that we heard
- 14:17Speaker 6: from Daniel Phillip, and he testified that Cassy was clearly
- 14:22Speaker 6: afraid of Sean Combs, and he wasn't sure the exact
- 14:26Speaker 6: detail of how much control Combs had over Cassy, but
- 14:30Speaker 6: he said it was definitely evident in their interactions.
- 14:33Speaker 2: So during a freak cough the as Greg Moore says,
- 14:37Speaker 2: consensual orgy, Combs makes Cassie leave the room, goes in
- 14:45Speaker 2: another room.
- 14:46Speaker 1: And beats her.
- 14:47Speaker 2: I guess she wasn't just just wasn't into it enough.
- 14:51Speaker 2: And then she goes back in and again, Sydney, what
- 14:54Speaker 2: happened when she went back into the free cough.
- 14:56Speaker 6: Philip testified that he could hear the sound of Combe's
- 15:00Speaker 6: hitting Cathy. So didn't see what happened, but she could
- 15:05Speaker 6: hear the sound of hands hitting flesh, and he knew
- 15:09Speaker 6: that Cathy was being physically assaulted in that room.
- 15:13Speaker 2: You know what, Sidney, Summer, there's so many beatings and
- 15:15Speaker 2: so many sex workers, it really is hard to keep
- 15:18Speaker 2: it all straight.
- 15:18Speaker 1: I just happened to have notes here. You're right.
- 15:21Speaker 2: The person's name is Daniel Phillip, a male stripper who
- 15:27Speaker 2: took the stand. I believe he was on Cross on
- 15:30Speaker 2: May twelve, according to my notes, and he witnessed Cassie Ventura.
- 15:36Speaker 2: He heard Comb's yelling at her, there was physical abuse.
- 15:43Speaker 2: She ran out of the room. Comb stalked out in
- 15:47Speaker 2: a towel, and Cassie quote jumped into my lap, shaking,
- 15:54Speaker 2: and I asked her, why is why is she doing this?
- 15:57Speaker 2: Why is she staying with a guy hitting her her
- 16:00Speaker 2: and beating her like this? So the sex workers that
- 16:08Speaker 2: Morse refers to as being part of a willing and
- 16:11Speaker 2: consensual orgy, and he just just rolls.
- 16:14Speaker 1: Off his tongue like that's normal.
- 16:18Speaker 2: But that said, she came and jumped in a stripper's
- 16:23Speaker 2: lap after a beating to go back into the freak coff.
- 16:29Speaker 2: You call that consensual norse.
- 16:31Speaker 1: It sounds well.
- 16:32Speaker 7: Again, the prosecution's going to focus on that one instance
- 16:36Speaker 7: and link it to that video of that horrible abuse
- 16:39Speaker 7: that Cassie Ventor suffered in that hotel. However, the defense
- 16:44Speaker 7: is going to talk about the testimony all the other
- 16:46Speaker 7: hotel nights and freak offs. And remember, when the jury
- 16:49Speaker 7: gets charged with the jury instructions, one of the things
- 16:51Speaker 7: they'll be told is reasonable doubt comes from a conflict
- 16:55Speaker 7: in the evidence.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Hotel nights would last up to thirty hours.
- 17:00Speaker 4: There weren't just like bam bam bam, thank you, ma'am,
- 17:02Speaker 4: positions held for three four hours.
- 17:06Speaker 1: Ouch.
- 17:06Speaker 5: I'd want to go see the chiropractor, a cracked out
- 17:09Speaker 5: Loki and the Marvel.
- 17:11Speaker 2: Universe hold that position, arch your back, what breathe in?
- 17:15Speaker 1: What we are live.
- 17:16Speaker 2: At the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Sean Comebs aka Diddy
- 17:20Speaker 2: and many other names is on trial facing prosecution in
- 17:24Speaker 2: a multicounp federal indictment including charges for sex trafficking and
- 17:29Speaker 2: Rico joining me at the courthouse, Tisa tels investigator and
- 17:34Speaker 2: star off Tisa tales on YouTube. I understand the judge
- 17:39Speaker 2: is furious about a leak a link, Tisa.
- 17:43Speaker 5: What happened, guys, what happened in the courtroom today shocked everybody.
- 17:47Speaker 5: Judge Aaron is done playing nice. He went in there
- 17:51Speaker 5: with his cloak flying behind them, which he was Lord
- 17:55Speaker 5: Voldemort coming to Hogwarts. He literally accused the defense and
- 18:01Speaker 5: a little bit the prosecution, accused them of lying and
- 18:04Speaker 5: leaking information that could only been available to the people
- 18:08Speaker 5: in a sealed courtroom.
- 18:10Speaker 4: It was incredible.
- 18:12Speaker 5: On top of that, Diddy's team said that they're going
- 18:13Speaker 5: to rest their case in two to five trial days.
- 18:16Speaker 4: I don't even know what that means.
- 18:18Speaker 5: However, there was a leak that actually came out from
- 18:22Speaker 5: people that were in a closed, sealed courtroom. The only
- 18:25Speaker 5: people there were the defense and the prosecution. The issue
- 18:29Speaker 5: was an article. There was an article that was actually published.
- 18:32Speaker 5: The judge hinted that it was last night. He didn't
- 18:34Speaker 5: tell us what it was, and he said the source
- 18:36Speaker 5: of the article had to be one of the parties
- 18:39Speaker 5: because again it was a closed courtroom, nobody was supposed
- 18:42Speaker 5: to know about it, and it was under federal court ordered.
- 18:44Speaker 5: Now again, the prosecution was like, it's not us, your honor. However,
- 18:48Speaker 5: the judge literally hammered Mark Agnifilio, the League Council for Didty,
- 18:53Speaker 5: saying why did you find out about this article? Mark
- 18:55Speaker 5: Agnophilio sat there, I don't know over his words. Then
- 19:02Speaker 5: the judge said, but when were you made aware? He
- 19:05Speaker 5: still didn't know. Finally he said, oh, we think when
- 19:07Speaker 5: the prosecution sent it to us marine call Mey literally
- 19:10Speaker 5: looked like, what do you mean we They were caught
- 19:13Speaker 5: flat footed. They didn't have any excuses. The judge finally said, listen,
- 19:19Speaker 5: do you know what's going to happen moving forward. First
- 19:22Speaker 5: of all, he said he has the right to open
- 19:23Speaker 5: up an investigation. He said, that's a serious. He said,
- 19:26Speaker 5: moving forward, this happens again, he will they will literally
- 19:30Speaker 5: seize phones, They will conduct a thorough investigation. They will,
- 19:36Speaker 5: they will literally question all parties under penalty of perjury,
- 19:40Speaker 5: and they will get to the bottom of those leaks.
- 19:42Speaker 5: He said, moving forward though he is putting the defense
- 19:46Speaker 5: and prosecution, but everybody knew he was talking to the
- 19:48Speaker 5: defense on notice that if any leaks come out of
- 19:53Speaker 5: their count, if anything is signed off on, and anything escapes,
- 19:56Speaker 5: then they are holding the lead prosecutor or the film
- 20:00Speaker 5: attorney accountable for anything that happens in their camp.
- 20:03Speaker 4: Judge Aaron means business. It was.
- 20:06Speaker 5: It was.
- 20:07Speaker 4: It was shocking what happened in the courtroom.
- 20:09Speaker 1: Okay, that is serious. When there was a leak of that.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Magnitude Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sidy Summer joining
- 20:25Speaker 2: US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's been covering the case
- 20:29Speaker 2: from the very beginning and really before that seventy summer,
- 20:31Speaker 2: sounds like what has just happened in the Coburger prosecution
- 20:35Speaker 2: with the Idaho for sleigh out in Moscow, because a
- 20:39Speaker 2: leak definitely occurred.
- 20:41Speaker 1: To Dateline and they had this very long.
- 20:45Speaker 2: And extensive piece on the Coburger investigation where evidence came
- 20:51Speaker 2: out and the Dateline piece that no one had heard before.
- 20:55Speaker 2: Videos of the white ilantra associated with the quadruple murders.
- 21:01Speaker 2: Much much more came out, and that judge ordered a
- 21:06Speaker 2: full on investigation about who is the Lake Sydney.
- 21:11Speaker 6: That's absolutely correct. Judge Stephen Hipler similarly cracked down on
- 21:17Speaker 6: both sides of the case to say, hey, I don't
- 21:20Speaker 6: know where this came from, but it needs to stop
- 21:24Speaker 6: and it can't happen again. Because that Dateline episode, that
- 21:27Speaker 6: two hours special, it had tons of never before seen evidence,
- 21:32Speaker 6: down to exactly how many times Coberger allegedly visited the
- 21:36Speaker 6: house before the murders, that he made all of these
- 21:40Speaker 6: creepy iPhone searches, and that he even had photos of
- 21:45Speaker 6: the victim's friends Cladden the keys on his phone. That
- 21:49Speaker 6: was all new information and the judge was not pleased.
- 21:52Speaker 2: Okay, tours coming to mind, freaky perv. But that said
- 21:56Speaker 2: the investigation. You do not want to be the source
- 22:00Speaker 2: of a leak, and you don't want anybody.
- 22:02Speaker 1: On your team to be responsible.
- 22:04Speaker 2: And that goes right down to the law clerks and
- 22:07Speaker 2: the summer interns that may have xerox papers or handed
- 22:11Speaker 2: over discovery because it reflects on you and once you
- 22:15Speaker 2: lose your credibility in the courtroom technical legal term, you're screwed.
- 22:22Speaker 1: End of story. Now, we just heard.
- 22:24Speaker 2: From Tisa Tales joining us at the courthouse that the
- 22:26Speaker 2: defense has now dropped their own bomb, stating they're only
- 22:30Speaker 2: going to put up two to five days of defense witnesses.
- 22:35Speaker 2: Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations USPA
- 22:40Speaker 2: nation Wide Security, he leads a team of investigators.
- 22:45Speaker 1: Brian, welcome back, Thank you for.
- 22:48Speaker 2: Being with us. You and I have been in a
- 22:51Speaker 2: lot of cases. You has witnessed me as the prosecutor.
- 22:55Speaker 2: The defense always does it. Sadly, it took me about
- 22:58Speaker 2: ten years to catch on to it. I would always
- 23:00Speaker 2: believe them when they would say, oh, we're going to
- 23:03Speaker 2: be at least two or three weeks, and it never
- 23:05Speaker 2: was two or three weeks.
- 23:07Speaker 1: But I would always take.
- 23:09Speaker 2: Them at their word and arrange my rebuttal witnesses to
- 23:14Speaker 2: come to town.
- 23:14Speaker 1: Or to show up at the courthouse in two or
- 23:16Speaker 1: three weeks.
- 23:17Speaker 2: And then sudden they go, oh, no, yeah, it's just
- 23:19Speaker 2: going to be like two days. And it's a way
- 23:22Speaker 2: to catch the state flat footed. But I think it's
- 23:25Speaker 2: also again pardon the pun, puffing up when you make
- 23:30Speaker 2: your case to be more substantial than it really is
- 23:33Speaker 2: going to be. Have you ever, and all the times
- 23:35Speaker 2: you've testified fitz Gibbons, seeing the defense put on the
- 23:40Speaker 2: length of a case they promise up front.
- 23:42Speaker 1: Ever, No, I.
- 23:43Speaker 8: Think you make a great point, Nancy, that what the
- 23:45Speaker 8: defense is going to do here is, you know, they've
- 23:48Speaker 8: used their private investigators and they're going to present a simple,
- 23:53Speaker 8: shortcase to promote reasonable doubt, right, to keep it simple
- 23:58Speaker 8: for the jury and point out where there are flaws
- 24:01Speaker 8: in the prosecution's case and provide that reasonable doubt, you know.
- 24:05Speaker 2: Speaking of the leak which seems to be taking forefront
- 24:08Speaker 2: in the judge's mind right now, Guys, we are live
- 24:10Speaker 2: at the courthouse, Sidney Sumner on the case.
- 24:13Speaker 1: Did the judge impose a gag order?
- 24:18Speaker 6: Sidney, Yes, at the start of trial there is a
- 24:21Speaker 6: gag order that no one is allowed to violate. Nobody
- 24:26Speaker 6: is allowed to be discussing the piece outside of court.
- 24:29Speaker 6: So this is a problem.
- 24:31Speaker 2: And he was livid, he said, and I quote, this
- 24:34Speaker 2: is the judge. He looked over at Agnifilo, the lead
- 24:39Speaker 2: defense attorney, and at the state. Quote, there is no
- 24:43Speaker 2: passing the buck anymore. The buck stops with you. If
- 24:47Speaker 2: anything happens, lead counsel is responsible r ro Okay. Once
- 24:56Speaker 2: you lose your credibility in court, it's over. I don't
- 25:00Speaker 2: know if the judge would chew out the attorney that's
- 25:04Speaker 2: responsible for the league in front of the jury.
- 25:06Speaker 1: Probably not, No, he wouldn't.
- 25:09Speaker 2: He would do it outside the jury's presence because otherwise
- 25:12Speaker 2: it could be grounds for a mistrial. You know another
- 25:15Speaker 2: issue in court, Sidney Sumner. We've already lost Juror number
- 25:19Speaker 2: six because he was less than candid about where he lived.
- 25:23Speaker 2: You cannot live outside the jurisdiction and sit on a jury. Now,
- 25:27Speaker 2: there is an issue with Juror number seven, Okay. Now,
- 25:32Speaker 2: it's my understanding that Juror seven had either received or
- 25:37Speaker 2: sent or both texts to a colleague regarding this case.
- 25:44Speaker 1: What's the status on that, Sydney Sumner.
- 25:47Speaker 6: Well, what we know about Juror number seven is that
- 25:50Speaker 6: they apparently talked about the case improperly with a former colleague,
- 25:56Speaker 6: and we don't know too much about what exactly happened.
- 25:59Speaker 6: But the judge pushed off dealing with this issue for
- 26:02Speaker 6: a number of days now, so we are expected to
- 26:05Speaker 6: have a ruling on it soon.
- 26:06Speaker 2: Another issue in the courtroom is seemingly a missing witness.
- 26:10Speaker 2: What happened to Sean Combs's chief of staff, Christina Koram?
- 26:16Speaker 1: Is she not going to take the stand and if not,
- 26:20Speaker 1: why not?
- 26:21Speaker 9: Cassie Ventura and Christina Koram's text are shown to the jury.
- 26:25Speaker 9: Cassie texted Korum wtf, to which Korum asks if Cassie
- 26:29Speaker 9: is okay. Cassie writes, no one deserves being dragged by
- 26:33Speaker 9: their hair. I locked the door for my safety. Cassie
- 26:36Speaker 9: also texts that she doesn't have her belongings or any money,
- 26:40Speaker 9: to which Korum says she will try to talk to
- 26:42Speaker 9: Combs and help Cassie get her stuff.
- 26:44Speaker 4: The worst Netflix until in the world.
- 26:47Speaker 6: Two hundred bottles of baby oil and nine hundred bottles
- 26:51Speaker 6: of astroblide.
- 26:52Speaker 1: Hold it right there, all right, you're back bread in
- 26:55Speaker 1: rhino pails.
- 26:57Speaker 3: He's in control of everything, beat.
- 26:59Speaker 2: Her and subjective her to three male escorts. She was
- 27:02Speaker 2: the sex sleeve and he's asking for his very own
- 27:05Speaker 2: dateline special.
- 27:06Speaker 1: I just want to wash my mouth out with.
- 27:10Speaker 2: Lestrine, with lysol, with rubbing alcohol after I talk about
- 27:18Speaker 2: the Sean Comb's case, and I suspect some of the
- 27:21Speaker 2: jurrs feel the same way because when they were.
- 27:23Speaker 1: Watching the States exhibit triple X the freak off videos,
- 27:28Speaker 1: they were.
- 27:29Speaker 2: Actually turning away from the monitor went seeing visibly hiding
- 27:33Speaker 2: their faces.
- 27:34Speaker 1: Do you blame them? But now.
- 27:38Speaker 2: Mary freak cough Christmas everybody?
- 27:42Speaker 9: Special Agent Penland also reads text from January twenty thirteen
- 27:46Speaker 9: where Combs ask Cassie Ventura if she wants to celebrate
- 27:49Speaker 9: a late Christmas with a four man freakof Comb's text Adventura,
- 27:54Speaker 9: word for word, want to celebrate Christmas and have a
- 27:57Speaker 9: freak off tomorrow or Friday. Ventura then got to work
- 28:00Speaker 9: hiring the men with staggered arrivals for January eleventh and twelfth,
- 28:04Speaker 9: reaching out to three men personally and arranging for the
- 28:07Speaker 9: fourth from an escort service.
- 28:09Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall again, I need a shrink and a drink,
- 28:14Speaker 2: but says time I tay toy learn how to settle
- 28:16Speaker 2: for just a shrink.
- 28:17Speaker 1: Did you hear that guy's Bethany Marshall.
- 28:19Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of the LA jurisdiction.
- 28:23Speaker 2: She is the author of deal Breaker. You can see
- 28:27Speaker 2: her now on Peacock and you can find her at
- 28:30Speaker 2: Doctorbethany Marshall dot com. Did you hear that, Mary Christmas,
- 28:35Speaker 2: you want to celebrate a late Christmas with me with
- 28:38Speaker 2: a four man freakoff?
- 28:39Speaker 1: In other words, you have sex with four sex workers.
- 28:43Speaker 3: You know, Nancy, I hear's somebody who's compulsive and addicted
- 28:46Speaker 3: in terms of compulsivity sex addiction. One of the things
- 28:50Speaker 3: we know about sex addiction is that the thoughts of
- 28:54Speaker 3: sex or whatever, the fetishized view of sex is become
- 28:57Speaker 3: so prominent in the perpetrator's mind that they often can't focus.
- 29:01Speaker 3: Often they can't even hold down a job, or they
- 29:04Speaker 3: present as somebody with attention deficit disorder because their mind
- 29:08Speaker 3: keeps drifting to sex. And then in terms of addiction,
- 29:11Speaker 3: you know, we think of sex as driving these free coughs,
- 29:14Speaker 3: but there's so much drugs involved. And I hear in
- 29:18Speaker 3: the testimony that he'll say, you know, I'll be up
- 29:21Speaker 3: for twenty four hours or forty eight hours, or there's
- 29:23Speaker 3: some chatter back and forth and the text about that.
- 29:26Speaker 3: And to me, Nancy, I think methamphetamine, that's the one
- 29:29Speaker 3: drug that could keep somebody up for that many days.
- 29:33Speaker 3: And we know with methamphetamine especially in homicide, there's often overkill.
- 29:38Speaker 3: So if he already likes power and violence and he's
- 29:41Speaker 3: on meth, that's even going to ratchet up the level,
- 29:44Speaker 3: and Nancy real quickly the jurors wincing. Wincing is an
- 29:48Speaker 3: instinctual response to loss of life. It's like seeing a
- 29:52Speaker 3: plane fall out of the sky, or a big dog barking,
- 29:56Speaker 3: or a spider or someone ejected from a car. If
- 29:59Speaker 3: they are when seeing, they're not just viewing sex, They're
- 30:02Speaker 3: viewing battery. What is being done to these women? Are
- 30:06Speaker 3: they being sodomized? Are they being chained in compromising positions?
- 30:11Speaker 3: Are they so out of it they don't know what's happening?
- 30:13Speaker 1: Then?
- 30:14Speaker 3: Are they being whipped? I would be so curious to
- 30:17Speaker 3: know what are they seeing that is life threatening?
- 30:21Speaker 10: The way you just said that, doctor Bethany, it's overwhelming,
- 30:28Speaker 10: It really is, because those videos are placing the jurors
- 30:33Speaker 10: at the Free.
- 30:34Speaker 2: Coughs crime stories with Nancy Grace and Lin Shaw joining me,
- 30:48Speaker 2: founder director of Lynn's Warriors, an organization committed to ending
- 30:53Speaker 2: sex trafficking and sex abuse of women and girls. When
- 30:56Speaker 2: I say the words freak cough, it's like eating a
- 31:00Speaker 2: sandwich frea cough, hotel night, King Night. Wow, that's certainly
- 31:08Speaker 2: airbrushing the whole scenario. Putting perfume on the pig. It's torture,
- 31:16Speaker 2: it's sex abuse, it's coerced rape.
- 31:21Speaker 1: Freak cough. That sounds like it could be a music festival.
- 31:25Speaker 2: Hotel night, that sounds like a fun getaway right where
- 31:29Speaker 2: the twins and I would camp out on the bed,
- 31:31Speaker 2: order room service whoo right, and King Night, it's anything
- 31:37Speaker 2: but that for the victims.
- 31:40Speaker 11: Has anyone heard of sexual servitude? This is part with
- 31:44Speaker 11: the justice system now, we are working into sex trafficking.
- 31:48Speaker 11: It is coercion, it is forced it is fraud, sexual servitude.
- 31:53Speaker 11: We've seen the testimony. We've heard they were forced into this,
- 31:57Speaker 11: they were under the influence, they were threatened with their lives,
- 32:00Speaker 11: family members were threatened. We've heard so much. This dirty
- 32:03Speaker 11: ditty freak fest is a great, big fu not only
- 32:07Speaker 11: to all of us, but to all of the alleged
- 32:09Speaker 11: victims of his and to all all of the victims
- 32:13Speaker 11: of any sort of sexual exploitation and abuse across America,
- 32:16Speaker 11: across the globe. And you know what, this is his playbook.
- 32:19Speaker 11: I keep going back to thinking he's smiling. He's thinking
- 32:23Speaker 11: he won because you know what his playbook is, money talks,
- 32:26Speaker 11: crime walks. I'm very concerned about this because we've got
- 32:29Speaker 11: to think about and we're not talking enough about them,
- 32:32Speaker 11: the victims. Where is this Christina Korum? I've been asking
- 32:34Speaker 11: for weeks now, is she going to testify?
- 32:37Speaker 4: She is? She isn't?
- 32:38Speaker 11: We don't know why isn't she testifying? She is the
- 32:41Speaker 11: right hand. We have proof, we have text messages she
- 32:43Speaker 11: knew about this. We need more information, but you know what,
- 32:47Speaker 11: the women. The bottom line here is all of these
- 32:49Speaker 11: alleged victims, survivors of this dirty ditty degenerate. Their lives
- 32:53Speaker 11: will never be the same. We may never know names
- 32:56Speaker 11: hear from them. Their lives are ruined because you know what,
- 32:59Speaker 11: you don't get over abuse like this.
- 33:01Speaker 5: But I want.
- 33:01Speaker 11: Everybody to know about sexual servitude equals sex trafficking.
- 33:06Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Morse.
- 33:07Speaker 2: When you give your wife a Christmas gift and you
- 33:11Speaker 2: say Merry Christmas, sweetheart, she's probably expecting something like diamond
- 33:15Speaker 2: earrings or a bracelet instead of Hey, merry Christmas, I
- 33:21Speaker 2: just order four male sex workers enjoy.
- 33:23Speaker 7: Well, you're right, that's that's something I would get as
- 33:26Speaker 7: a gift for a significant other in my life. But
- 33:29Speaker 7: it doesn't seem like from the text that were read
- 33:32Speaker 7: that Cassie rejected it. She went and contacted the four men.
- 33:36Speaker 7: So while this is overwhelmingly insane to think of the
- 33:42Speaker 7: sex acts and this orgy again, it's not like she said,
- 33:46Speaker 7: I don't want to do this. Please stop making me.
- 33:48Speaker 7: Let's take a break.
- 33:49Speaker 1: Okay, how do I hire the people?
- 33:50Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I think she asked for that fat
- 33:53Speaker 2: lip and those bruises on the side of her stomach
- 33:56Speaker 2: and that guests to her forehead.
- 33:58Speaker 1: Would she ask for that?
- 34:00Speaker 7: You're boots trapping two spherate crimes.
- 34:03Speaker 2: P Diddy orchestrates the entire scene, vomiting, forced to have
- 34:07Speaker 2: sex with three male sex workers. She turned around, and
- 34:10Speaker 2: this demon is standing eighteen hour sex marathon on video.
- 34:15Speaker 4: You're not gonna olf up my night.
- 34:16Speaker 1: He's in control of everything.
- 34:18Speaker 4: You better take this f and pill.
- 34:20Speaker 2: You better get on your job.
- 34:22Speaker 4: That's really, That's that's all it is.
- 34:24Speaker 1: Did he speaking in code? Wow? It took me a
- 34:28Speaker 1: full five seconds to crack that.
- 34:31Speaker 2: The text messages that he sends all sorts of people
- 34:35Speaker 2: include code words. Well, let's just say you don't need
- 34:40Speaker 2: the code breakers at Bletchley Squared figured this out.
- 34:43Speaker 1: Listen.
- 34:43Speaker 12: Ananya Sintkar reads aloud messages from Comb's assistant Ryan Lopez
- 34:47Speaker 12: to Christina Korum. Lol, I think I saw one of
- 34:50Speaker 12: the cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby
- 34:53Speaker 12: like an escort. I forgot to tell you about it.
- 34:55Speaker 12: Korum texted back for laughing face emojis with btw helong.
- 35:00Speaker 12: Is he going to stay awake? Lopez replies, Lol, I'm
- 35:03Speaker 12: guessing until tomorrow night. Cowboys is a possible reference to
- 35:06Speaker 12: the Cowboys and Angels service did he allegedly used for
- 35:10Speaker 12: hotel nights and free coughs?
- 35:12Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Really, I mean dope dealers use code words
- 35:18Speaker 2: a lot, and they're always horrible. Here we've got Combs
- 35:24Speaker 2: referring to cowboys. The sex workers work for the Cowboys
- 35:32Speaker 2: and Angels sex service one of the male prostitute services
- 35:38Speaker 2: that Combs use, so he would refer to them as
- 35:42Speaker 2: cowboys in the code. He also refers to hotel night
- 35:49Speaker 2: and free coughs. I've got a lot more.
- 35:52Speaker 1: But how dumb are these people?
- 35:54Speaker 8: Not a very sophisticated code here, as you said, it's
- 35:58Speaker 8: not going to require British intelligence to crack this one,
- 36:02Speaker 8: particularly when they have, you know, all the other communications
- 36:07Speaker 8: from the Cowboys and Angels agency. So this is just
- 36:11Speaker 8: a peek into how unsophisticated their communications were.
- 36:14Speaker 1: You know what, I think it goes a little bit
- 36:16Speaker 1: further than that, Fitzgibbons. I think it's arrogance.
- 36:20Speaker 2: You are running a criminal enterprise where you have Oh,
- 36:24Speaker 2: by the way, Fitz Gibbs, let me just throw this in.
- 36:27Speaker 2: The fifth person. I think it's five. I'm losing count
- 36:29Speaker 2: sid correct me if I'm wrong. Has just gotten immunity.
- 36:32Speaker 2: It's Brandon Paul. I think is the drug mule, right, Yeah,
- 36:36Speaker 2: I wondered when he got a cheap player.
- 36:38Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, They got him coming off.
- 36:40Speaker 2: A plane with a satchel full of dope and he's
- 36:44Speaker 2: got a light deal. Why he must be going to testify,
- 36:48Speaker 2: And sure enough, he just got immunity. Speaking of five minions,
- 36:56Speaker 2: as I call them, some were employees, some are loosely associated,
- 37:00Speaker 2: like this guy, Brandon Paul was an employee on the payroll,
- 37:04Speaker 2: but he was doing comes is bidding, carrying his dope.
- 37:08Speaker 2: According to prosecutors, five have taken immunity so far right,
- 37:15Speaker 2: So he's got all of them talking back and forth
- 37:19Speaker 2: in code right now, hold on, here's some more there.
- 37:25Speaker 5: He is.
- 37:25Speaker 1: What a fine fellow. I hope he can sing really
- 37:29Speaker 1: well on the stand. Okay, listen to this, mis Gibbons.
- 37:33Speaker 13: The jury has shown text between Combe's staff planning hotel
- 37:36Speaker 13: nights Diddy and Cassie with Korum and other staff discussing
- 37:40Speaker 13: getting four thousand dollars cash to the hotel koram Tell's
- 37:43Speaker 13: assistant Dave. Shirley heads up, He's probably about to do
- 37:46Speaker 13: wild King tonight. Shirley responds, need to re up on
- 37:50Speaker 13: baby oil. The jury also sees a text from Korum
- 37:53Speaker 13: to Cassie. Hi, Dave is at your door with the
- 37:56Speaker 13: green gee.
- 37:57Speaker 1: I wonder what green is Fitzgibbons money.
- 38:00Speaker 8: These texts and this evidence that they're presenting to the
- 38:03Speaker 8: jurors is something that we talked about right at the
- 38:05Speaker 8: beginning of this case, that the prosecution is going to
- 38:08Speaker 8: show the organizational structure and the delegation of tasks coming
- 38:13Speaker 8: directly from Diddy. So this is all laying a tremendous
- 38:16Speaker 8: foundation for that rico charge.
- 38:18Speaker 1: Okay, it ain't over yet listen to this.
- 38:20Speaker 13: The jury views a series of text messages between Comb's
- 38:23Speaker 13: and Christina Korum discussing a package that Guido, the drug dealer,
- 38:27Speaker 13: drops off for Korum to deal with. In another text thread,
- 38:30Speaker 13: Comb's head of security, Fahim Mohammad, gets approval to pay
- 38:33Speaker 13: Guido thousands of dollars for drugs, while another text thread,
- 38:36Speaker 13: including Comb's accountant, references flower meaning marijuana. The drug commonly
- 38:41Speaker 13: referred to as molly MDMA is also discussed when Koram
- 38:45Speaker 13: asked Combs to tell Mohammed what he needs to pick
- 38:47Speaker 13: up before his flight to Miami. Comb's text molly fifteen
- 38:51Speaker 13: bills Combs.
- 38:53Speaker 4: You're boring me.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Throw me a real puzzle here. I mean, Gibbons, marijuana
- 39:02Speaker 2: is flower molly? Okay, they're talking about MDMA.
- 39:08Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. They call the
- 39:11Speaker 1: drug dealer Guido. Please stop it, Fitzgibbons. I mean, it's
- 39:19Speaker 1: so obvious, but I'm going to.
- 39:21Speaker 2: Go back to doctor Bethany in just a moment. But
- 39:23Speaker 2: I want to hear your take on the codes, and
- 39:25Speaker 2: there's so many more.
- 39:26Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out a few right now. Fitzgibbons.
- 39:29Speaker 8: I think you made the salient point, Nancy, that this
- 39:31Speaker 8: is potentially no code at all, and this is just
- 39:35Speaker 8: a display of arrogance that you know, they felt completely
- 39:39Speaker 8: immune to any prosecution.
- 39:41Speaker 2: You know, earlier you said they were just dumb, and
- 39:44Speaker 2: then you jumped on it when I said arrogant.
- 39:46Speaker 1: Now you're riding that train.
- 39:48Speaker 2: Fine because they're not mutually exclusive, but go ahead. It's
- 39:52Speaker 2: still my thought, uh, doctor Bethany Marshall. The arrogance that
- 39:58Speaker 2: anybody can figure this ou like that's protecting them. And
- 40:03Speaker 2: not only it's evidence of a crime, it's evidence of
- 40:06Speaker 2: trying to cover up the crime. The euphemisms for forced
- 40:10Speaker 2: ubie right morse, forced orgies with male sex workers, referring
- 40:15Speaker 2: to dope drugs as flower and molly. I mean, there's
- 40:21Speaker 2: so many, but the arrogance of it, Hey, nobody's ever
- 40:25Speaker 2: going to look at my phone. I'm never going to
- 40:27Speaker 2: get in trouble for this. I can do whatever I
- 40:29Speaker 2: want with impunity. That's what it's about. And you know what, wait,
- 40:32Speaker 2: he could because there was that moment that really struck
- 40:36Speaker 2: me when Cassie was getting beaten in front of a
- 40:40Speaker 2: group of people as she turned.
- 40:41Speaker 1: To them with her big fat lip and said, is
- 40:44Speaker 1: nobody seeing this?
- 40:46Speaker 2: And apparently nobody was. Hear no evil, see no evil,
- 40:52Speaker 2: speak no.
- 40:53Speaker 1: Evil, Nancy.
- 40:54Speaker 3: He keeps dressing up really perverse, horrible, sadistic crimes as
- 40:59Speaker 3: being some better than they are. Oh it's a hotel night.
- 41:03Speaker 3: He does not know that we see in him. What
- 41:07Speaker 3: is really going on all this language. Not only is
- 41:10Speaker 3: it arrogant, it really sanitizes something very very dark. And
- 41:17Speaker 3: you know one other point, when he went into the
- 41:19Speaker 3: other room with Cassie and the sex worker, could hear
- 41:22Speaker 3: him slapping her, beating her? You know, the panel is
- 41:26Speaker 3: talking about this as assault. I thought he was probably
- 41:29Speaker 3: trying to get his direction back. I mean, sadism is
- 41:33Speaker 3: a key component of his arousal pattern. So what are
- 41:36Speaker 3: you going to do if you can't get aroused enough
- 41:38Speaker 3: or you've done it too many times in one night?
- 41:40Speaker 3: You go beat your girlfriend. You beat them as much
- 41:43Speaker 3: as possible and hope other people are listening and that
- 41:46Speaker 3: it gets back on track.
- 41:48Speaker 2: And now we remember an American hero, Officer Joseph Berson,
- 41:53Speaker 2: Holly Springs, PD, just twenty five killed in a line
- 41:57Speaker 2: of duty, survived by why Mary Kate, American hero twenty
- 42:04Speaker 2: five year old Joseph Berson, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,