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Banned Media Report: The Mary Trump Book · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 5: We are your damn hosts. This week we read a
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  Speaker 5: book for you, motherfucker's a whole.
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  Speaker 4: Book, a whole damn book.
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  Speaker 4: How's it going, man, I'm doing You know, it's a
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  Speaker 4: minute by minute thing, but right now, in this minute,
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm cool, I'm good. Happy to be here.
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  Speaker 4: We are don't hopefully don't have the rony, but I'm good.
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  Speaker 5: Hopefully we don't. Like I said, we read an entire
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  Speaker 5: book for this episode, and that book is too much
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  Speaker 5: and never enough. How my family created the World's Most
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  Speaker 5: Dangerous Man, written by Mary L.
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  Speaker 4: Trump, who is a clinical psychologist in Donald Trump's niece.
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  Speaker 4: And I have to say, every time I read that
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  Speaker 4: title too much and never enough, I always think of
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  Speaker 4: that Luther Vandro song. It's a banger, never too much,
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  Speaker 4: never too much.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good song.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. That might have been an obscure reference for some
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  Speaker 4: but it's you know, puts music in my head and
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  Speaker 4: that makes me happy.
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  Speaker 5: Ask your parents about it. She didn't get the reference.
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  Speaker 4: You are conceived to Luther van Dress. Ask your parents
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  Speaker 4: about it exactly. But it was a good read. You know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of times if I want to, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: having trouble going to sleep, I'll pick up a book
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  Speaker 4: and it'll, you know, take me right there. But Mary
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  Speaker 4: Mary's book kept me up. Like I finished it, I
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  Speaker 4: think in a day and a half.
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  Speaker 5: It was a quick I read it really quick. Also,
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  Speaker 5: I mean I had to because the recording of this
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  Speaker 5: episode was bearing down on me and I still hadn't
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  Speaker 5: read the book. But I decided to read it after
• 3:11
  Speaker 5: you mentioned on the last episode you were on that
• 3:14
  Speaker 5: you had read it. And I've been doing these episodes
• 3:16
  Speaker 5: called band media reports where I talked like I did
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  Speaker 5: one about plandemic last week, Yeah, which is such bullshit,
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  Speaker 5: and it's it's nice to be doing one this week
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  Speaker 5: about something that isn't bullshit. This book is really fucking good,
• 3:31
  Speaker 5: and it I think it fits that banned media title
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  Speaker 5: because Trump's family tried very hard to keep this book
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  Speaker 5: from coming out. And if you read it, it's pretty
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  Speaker 5: obvious why it's scathing.
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  Speaker 4: It's I mean it's not it's not flattering for the Trumps. No, definitely,
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  Speaker 4: not like sociopaths. We revere them until they're revealed to
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  Speaker 4: be sociopaths.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and this book definitely reveals all that. I think
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  Speaker 5: this is one of the better books about Trump because
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  Speaker 5: we did an episode on Pops that came out yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: and you mentioned on that when we were talking about
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  Speaker 5: this book, because that episode is about the three books
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  Speaker 5: that explain Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: So we actually read three books. So you know, we
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  Speaker 4: read three books for yesterday's episode.
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  Speaker 5: But it's been a busy, busy week. And by that,
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  Speaker 5: I mean I've been sitting on my couch staring at
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  Speaker 5: a kindle all fucking weekend. But still it was nice.
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  Speaker 5: It was relaxing. I might do all my research based
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  Speaker 5: on just reading an entire book a day from now on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a good book, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: This one is. And the reason it's I think so
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  Speaker 5: enlightening is something you mentioned on yesterday's episode, which is
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  Speaker 5: it's written from the perspective of not only a clinical psychologist,
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  Speaker 5: but she basically grew up with Donald Trump. She grew
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  Speaker 5: up in the Trump family. Fred Trump is her grandfather, and.
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  Speaker 4: Access that most clinical psychologists do not, even though they
• 5:02
  Speaker 4: have the education, they don't have that sort of access.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean that's more access than a therapist gets
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  Speaker 4: a normal psychologist.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it you can really tell that she had
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  Speaker 5: that access. The stories in this are fucking wild. One
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  Speaker 5: of the things she talks about right away is how
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people try to diagnose Trump based on
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  Speaker 5: his public actions and his actions as president, and the
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  Speaker 5: word they use is malignant narcissism, and she talks about
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  Speaker 5: how that doesn't really cover it all.
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  Speaker 4: That's the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she argues, he could also meet the criteria for
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  Speaker 5: antisocial personality disorder, which.
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  Speaker 4: At his worst is sociopathy. Right, A lot of serial
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  Speaker 4: killers are sociopaths.
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  Speaker 5: Hitler, et cetera dependent personality disorder and maybe has a
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  Speaker 5: long undiagnosed learning disability that interferes with his ability to
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  Speaker 5: process information, which is.
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  Speaker 4: A big deal when you're president.
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  Speaker 5: It's a huge fucking deal when you are running the country.
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  Speaker 5: And she also questions if his diet coke intake is
• 6:13
  Speaker 5: causing him sleep problems. But I personally still buy the
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: theory that he snorts adderall.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you that I feel a lot better
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  Speaker 4: after quitting diet coke snorting adderall. I've had some experience
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  Speaker 4: with that in my past. But yeah, we'll leave it.
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  Speaker 4: We'll leave it there. But like, so, you have a
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  Speaker 4: personal theory that Trump snorts adderall? Why adderall and not cocaine?
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not my theory. There is a comedian named
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  Speaker 5: Noel Cassler who used to work with Trump on the
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  Speaker 5: Miss TENUSA pageant and on Celebrity Apprentice, and if you
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  Speaker 5: google it, he has a whole bit that he does
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  Speaker 5: on stage about how when he was working with Trump,
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  Speaker 5: Trump would just snort rails of adderall and he was like,
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  Speaker 5: I hadn't I signed an NDA, But that fucking flew
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  Speaker 5: out the window once this guy became President of the
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  Speaker 5: United States. Now I'm just gonna tell everyone. And he
• 7:10
  Speaker 5: is at like his entire Twitter is just him pointing
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  Speaker 5: out all the different moments where it really seems like
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  Speaker 5: Trump is high on adderall, and like they've never sued him,
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  Speaker 5: they've never done anything to stop him from saying that,
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  Speaker 5: which usually a sign that there's something to that story.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, people have said much worse or accused him
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  Speaker 4: of much worse than snorting adderall.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a pretty minor thing relatively speaking.
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  Speaker 4: It's similar to cocaine. So you know, I think they
• 7:42
  Speaker 4: have bigger fish to fry. They're doing a lot more
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  Speaker 4: like damaging fucked up things right now. I mean, if anything,
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  Speaker 4: it's like almost a good thing that he's he takes
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  Speaker 4: adderall because if he has a learning disorder, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: we need this guy to focus. He seems to be
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  Speaker 4: struggling with that now, Like maybe he needs some fucking adderall.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe he doesn't have that learning disorder anymore because
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  Speaker 5: he snorts at her. All perfect, That's that's fine. That's
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  Speaker 5: how most people fix their learning disorders. They just don't
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  Speaker 5: snort it.
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  Speaker 4: So, like you were saying about the comedian, how he
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  Speaker 4: signed that NDA, but he's like, you know what, that
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  Speaker 4: goes out the window. That's pretty much how Mary Trump felt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she in writing this book. The reason the family
• 8:27
  Speaker 5: tried to get it stopped. Their argument was, well, she
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  Speaker 5: signed an NDA back when we had this lawsuit going
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  Speaker 5: over our grandfather's will, which holy shit, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 5: that soon, or over our father's will. The father grandfather, like,
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  Speaker 5: she's part of the family Fred Trump, right, Fred Trump's.
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  Speaker 4: Will, He's the patriarch in this book.
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  Speaker 5: Right. And their argument was, well, she signed an NDA
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  Speaker 5: and that should preclude her from writing any of this.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the obvious argument is that doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: Once the person in question becomes president, then it's more
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  Speaker 5: a matter of the public deserves to know this shit
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  Speaker 5: about the person they've elected to be their leader. So
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  Speaker 5: a judge let the book go forward. And it was
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  Speaker 5: released on July fourteenth, twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: And that is a very American thing that I'm happy about.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. It proves that, at least for now, some of
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  Speaker 5: our freedoms and liberties are still in place. It clearly
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: isn't the case for a lot of other media and
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  Speaker 5: things that have come out recently, for better or worse.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's a promising sign.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's good that some of our checks
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  Speaker 4: and balances are still working.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And this is essentially a biography of Fred Trump
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  Speaker 5: more than anything.
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  Speaker 4: Because you need to have that history to understand Trump's history,
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  Speaker 4: to understand Donald's.
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  Speaker 5: History right, to understand why Donald Trump is the way
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  Speaker 5: he is, because, like I know, he gets compared to
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: people all the time, and like in his various policies
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: and things that people throw around, like Hitler and whatnot,
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  Speaker 5: I would argue there has never been a world leader
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: like Trump. He's all of those things people say he is,
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  Speaker 5: but he's so much more like he is a baffling.
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  Speaker 5: He seems like he's not human.
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  Speaker 4: He was also created to be a showman, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a performer, because as far as a business person, that
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: wasn't his skill set. That wasn't his skill set. It
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  Speaker 4: was that was the narrative. But his dad handled that.
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  Speaker 4: He was the face, Yeah, he was. He was born
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  Speaker 4: to cultivate an image, and he was really shaped by
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  Speaker 4: his father's cruelty. Fred Trump was I think she Mary
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: diagnosed him as having antisocial personality disorder. Right, So the
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: combination of his father's cruelty plus the tree meant of
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: his older brother, the oldest Trump son, Freddie Trump. I
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: guess Fred Junior. We'll call him. Freddie was a reference
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  Speaker 4: to Donald as to how not to act. So he
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  Speaker 4: had he you know his It's like his brother was
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: sort of like the test dummy.
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  Speaker 5: Right, he was. He was very much the lab rat
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  Speaker 5: that Fred tried his parenting style out on and just
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  Speaker 5: kind of wrecked that kid. And Trump saw that and
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  Speaker 5: molded his behavior accordingly. What's And I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's important to point out that that Mary is
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  Speaker 4: the daughter of Freddie Trump, the oldest son, who was
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: deeply affected by the abuse.
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was. Her dad was basically driven to I mean,
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: he died of a heart attack, but it was an
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: alcohol related heart attack. And you can understand how he
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: became an alcoholic when you read this book, like the
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  Speaker 5: the treatment he received from his father for just wanting
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  Speaker 5: to be his own person. It's like fucking movie villain extreme.
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  Speaker 5: Like if they wrote a movie and these things happened.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like most people would see that movie and go,
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  Speaker 5: that's not realistic. Yeah, No, one's really that fucking mean.
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  Speaker 5: Fred Trump was that mean, Like Fred Trump was a
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  Speaker 5: malignant presence in the world, especially as it pertained to
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  Speaker 5: his family. And it wasn't like physical abuse. He didn't
• 12:30
  Speaker 5: beat him like that would have almost been better.
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  Speaker 4: Because you can see bruises. You can see bruises, but
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  Speaker 4: emotional damage is so insidious. Psychological damage is so insidious,
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  Speaker 4: and it can keep going on because it's easy. You
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  Speaker 4: might not recognize it. You see a fucking bruise, you're like, Okay,
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: someone got hurt, but you don't see that on those
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  Speaker 4: other scars.
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  Speaker 5: And it it's enlightening as it pertains to Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 5: because I think a lot of people see the things
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  Speaker 5: Trump does in the policies he endorses, in the fucking
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: sides he takes on social issues, and it's like, does
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  Speaker 5: he just not have a conscience? Does he just have
• 13:06
  Speaker 5: no feelings at all?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's how he was raised.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you read this book, he by design does
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  Speaker 5: not have feelings. Like that was his kind of defense
• 13:15
  Speaker 5: mechanism growing up in this household. Was he learned to
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  Speaker 5: not have any emotional needs, which is terrifying when you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about the leader of the country.
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  Speaker 4: And an inability to empathize with its people. So it's like,
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: you know, we talked a little bit about this on
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  Speaker 4: yesterday's on Popps podcast, but you know, it is interesting
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  Speaker 4: how there is such a loyal following for someone whose
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: main interest is hisself and the betterment of himself. And
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: it's not really a secret, but for some reason, because
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: of cognitive dissonance, he's also the savior for his base,
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  Speaker 4: right or as he's perceived as that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, one thing you see in this book is there's
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  Speaker 5: that same kind of cognitive dissonance exists in his dad,
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: because his dad, from when Donald was very young, starts
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: grooming him to take over this business, Trump Management, knowing
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  Speaker 5: full well he's not capable of running this business. Like
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: that seemed to be a running theme was that there's
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: no reason Donald Trump should ever run this business. And
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: he didn't, but his dad instilled that image in him
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: and kind of forced Trump forced Donald Trump to present
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: this image of oh, I'm a successful businessman. And the
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: more his dad fueled that, the world around him fueled
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  Speaker 5: it too. Banks were throwing him money, the media was
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: giving him all this attention, and meanwhile, every business venture
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  Speaker 5: he has fucking fails. But because that's his image and
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: that's his ideology, is always present, this image of success.
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  Speaker 5: It's just like bread, this fucking monster that people aspire
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  Speaker 5: to be.
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  Speaker 4: And it's interesting because I wonder what you know they
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: Fred Trump did not seem like an unintelligent person, maybe
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: emotionally unintelligent or completely emotionally stifled, but like long term,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: you know, like did he I know he admired his
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: son's qualities and showmanship, but like he was running the business.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: And maybe because he's never had a sick day, his
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: dad never got sick. His mom was always sick, but
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: his dad never got sick, and maybe he thought he'd
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: sort of lived forever.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, if you look into the thing we
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: focused on on yesterday's On Pop's episode is his fascination
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: with the power of positive thinking and the reason he
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: got and he really takes to it, like he takes
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  Speaker 5: to it in a way that destroys his family essentially,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: and the reason he got into it is because he's
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: not a showman. He's not a confident public speaker. English
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  Speaker 5: is his second language. He's he's just not that guy,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: and he wanted someone in his family to be that guy.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: And the way he applied the power of positive thinking was, well,
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  Speaker 5: if I just want my oldest son to be that,
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna be that. And when his oldest son grew
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  Speaker 5: up to not be that, it fucking rocked his world.
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  Speaker 5: And it basically the ripple effects are that Donald Trump
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: is the fucking president now, which is insane. But you
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: can draw a direct line from that moment where he decides, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I want this son to be the face of my
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  Speaker 5: business all the way to where we are right now.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Created a monster, and he encouraged it. He knew what
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: he was doing, and he knew his son's aptitudes and
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: his not only like, you know, the strengths, which you
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: could say are showmanship, but like and cult leadership, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: he knew his deficiencies as well because he was doing
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: the work. He was running the business, he was running
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  Speaker 4: the show. He was the puppet master. Donald was the
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: figure head. But like that is what he needed. He
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: needed the figurehead. He got what he needed from Donald,
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: and you know, he got his needs fulfilled.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he got what he wanted from Donald. And because
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: he had something he wanted from Donald, he treated Donald
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  Speaker 5: just so much better than every other kid in his family.
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  Speaker 5: And like you hear that, and you're like, oh, what
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: did did Donald get two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and one of the other kids only got two hundred thousand. No,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: it's it's more like Donald Trump, immediately out of college,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: was put up in a huge apartment on like Fifth
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Avenue or Park Avenue in Manhattan. And meanwhile, his oldest
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  Speaker 5: son at one point is living in a property owned
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  Speaker 5: by fred Trump, and there is a fucking hole in
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: the wall in the winter, and he's like, can someone
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: from maintenance come fix this hole? They never fix that
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: hole in the wall. Like he his family lived with
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: a hole in their fucking wall. And what's crazy is
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: he had so much control over this family, Like his
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: oldest son could have just called a fucking repair man
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  Speaker 5: and been like, come fix this hole in my wall.
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  Speaker 5: But you just didn't do that. You'd like, if fred
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  Speaker 5: Trump didn't think that hole needed to be fixed, it
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: was not going to get fixed.
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  Speaker 4: That's a reflection of the psychological damage that Freddie experienced
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  Speaker 4: at the hands of his father.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it pretty much devolves into him drinking himself
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  Speaker 5: to death. It's a really sad story. And that is
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: the father of the woman who wrote this book.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I mean you look at you, you knowing what the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: family situation was and how one son was treated and
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: one son was the other son was treated better. I mean,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: the one who was treated better as president even though
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: he doesn't know how to be president. And then the
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: other son, who had some integrity, is not alive anymore.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: He died young because he was hurting.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he died at forty two. I'm older than that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: That's crazy. And his daughter, who wrote the book, she
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: describes him in his final years. She's like he looked
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: like he was in his eighties, like he was beaten
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: down by life, and that was mostly at the hands
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: of his father and his younger brother Donald. Like Donald
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Trump recognized what his dad wanted out of his replacement, basically,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: and he just shaped himself to be that. And one
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: of the ways he did that is, well, if my
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: dad doesn't respect you, then I don't respect you. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: that extended to his older brother and they just like
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: teamed up on this guy until he fucking drank himself
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: to death.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: And it was you know, not only did he see
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: his father doing it, but he got validation from his
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: father when he participated, so it was encouraged. Cruelty was
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the point. And I think that's the title of the
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: first section.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, part one of the book is Cruelty is the point.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: And as his parenting style produced these we results in
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump, which were he was very aggressive because he
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: was always bigger, like he's apparently very big, like he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: always been big for his age, and his upbringing basically
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: results in him being a bully at school and at home,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: and his dad loved it because that was what his
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: dad wanted to be. His dad wanted to be that
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: kind of presence that could just go out and inflict
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: his will on people, and he didn't really have that
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: kind of personas so when he saw that developing in
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: his son, he was like, fuck, yes, finally the kid
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: of my dreams and he fucking wrecked Donald Trump and
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: now Donald Trump is wrecking us.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the issue with narcissists, Like I mean,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: fred we've talked about is a sociopath, but there's you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: narcissistic qualities obviously. And for narcissists, their children, they can
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: perceive their children as an extension of themselves, so that
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: child is not autonomous. That child is there for the
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: parent to control, and you know, and it just, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: happened that Donald was able to adapt to work with
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: his father and Freddie was not able to. Freddie had
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: a soul. Freddie, you know, Donald was able to stifle
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: those feelings which are human, and Freddie was not. He
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: wanted to, he didn't want to follow in his father's footsteps.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: He wanted to follow his dreams and become a pilot,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: which he did, and he was referred to as a
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: bus driver in the sky by Fred, which is mean.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: It's just mean.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: It's mean, and especially when you take into account when
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: it happened like this is when pilots were getting asked
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: for autographs when they walk through the airport, and he
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: worked for TWA, which was like the coolest airline. Like
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: being a pilot at that time for TWA was a
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: really neat job. And his dad, because his son didn't
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: want to just be a piece of shit landlord, was like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: you're weak, that's weakness, and he fucking punished him the
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: rest of his life for it, until that kid died.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: It's nuts. Part two of the book is called The
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Wrong Side of the Tracks, and it kicks off with
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: one of the craziest stories in the book because like
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you hear, oh, Fred Trump was mean to Donald Trump,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: so surely Donald Trump like took this to some kind
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: of extreme and like was far worse than his father.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: But then you hear this story about his father trying
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: to kick off this land development and no, like Fred
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Trump was a fucking maniac too. He's in this story
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: trying to get this development project going and he's getting
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: all this pushback from residents who want to have this
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: area declared as a historic landmark site. And there's this
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: one structure on this it's I believe it was a
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: park that they were trying to get declared a landmark.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: And instead of one just ignoring them and tearing it down,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: which would have been shitty because like, once you tear
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: it down, there's nothing to declare historic. You can get
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: mad about it, but whatever, Instead of just doing that,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: he holds a fucking demolition party, like a community gathering
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: and invites neighborhood kids and anyone who wants to participate
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: to just start throwing bricks through the windows of this building.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: And it ends with them destroying this fucking building. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: he didn't just like ignore the community's wishes. He like
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: very extravagantly did it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a big middle finger to them wanting
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: to make it declare it a landmark like that was
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: that was just to again like he was just trying
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: to be cruel, salt in the wound.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was basically his philosophy on life was if
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: people are getting in your way, you fuck can crush them,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: and it doesn't matter if you're mean about it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say the development never even
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: got approved, right, So it was.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: The development never got approved and the city ended up
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: buying the land back from him at one point. So
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: he made one point three million dollars anyway. Crazy.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: He was a fucking tyrant and he like he ran
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: his family like a dictatorship. It was like right down
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: to controlling the resources. Because this this part of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: book is mostly about how he treats Freddy, and it
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: is horrifying, but they also talk about how frugal he was,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Like by this point in his in his development, he
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: was worth millions and millions of dollars, And there's stories
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: in here about his kids having to have their mom
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: sneak them Crisco cans full of coins that she had
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: collected from the various laundry machines in his apartment and
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: give those to her kids so they could support their families.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Because you did did not present need to fred Trump.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: If you needed something, you did not ask for it
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: because that was a sign of weakness. And so Freddy
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: when he dies, he's worth like hundreds of thousands of
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: dollars and his daughter was like, I don't know if
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: he just like they blocked his access or he just
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: didn't want to ask. But he basically dies in poverty,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: but also with like hundreds of thousands of dollars to
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: his name.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of his assets were tied to
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: these buildings, and he probably shared ownership. So the only
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: way maybe to get the payout was if everyone was
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: to sell. You can't really cash out if you're the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: only one. If his finances were tied into that sort
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: of thing, so he might have not had like you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: he might have been He might he was cash.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Poor, but he had a trust. He had a trust
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: that was set up which once you turn a certain
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: age just supposed to be able to access that. And
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: he died with that tru trust still intact. He just
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: never took any money from it. And his daughter in
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: the book kind of I think she's not really sure
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: if the family was blocking him from taking that money
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: because he was an alcoholic, or if he just didn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: feel like he could ask his dad for money. Even
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: in the situations he ends up getting into which are
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: very dire.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I mean that speaks volumes that he couldn't even reach out,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: He couldn't even ask you know that speaks volumes to
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: the psychological damage of how fearful he was of his father.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: And I mean, that's incredibly psychologically damaging that one of
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: your primary caretakers is abusive at a young age. That
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: would fuck anyone up.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And the stuff in the book about the nineteen
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: seventies lawsuit over not running to black people, the famous
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: lawsuit that fucking came out the beginning of Trump's run
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: for president, and everyone was just like, eh, whatever, Like
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: reading about it in this book, the family was also
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: kind of like eh whatever, Like it was just good
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: publicity to them. And if you wonder where Trump gets
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: that from, that's where he gets it from. Like that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: what his dad bred him to be. Was there is
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: no such thing as bad publicity. And even if it's
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: your name is in the papers for being a blatant,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: fucking racist, at least your name's in the paper. At
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: least people are talking about.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You, like, and that contributes to brand recognition. Yeah, And
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: that is a psychological thing, you know, Like you recognize something,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: you're more inclined to be comfortable with it, to support it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: to vote for it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Right, And with Trump, he's having this this worldview that
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: he's supposed to present, kind of imposed on him by
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: his dad, but the entire world is like reacting to it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Like at every step of his life, nothing he does
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: has any ramifications. If he goes to banks and asks
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: for money and doesn't pay it back, they keep giving
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: him money.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: He was never held accountable. That's the thing is he
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: was never held accountable, so he has. So there's so
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: many examples of outrageous behavior, and maybe that is his
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: trick is like you can't double down on him when
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like a game a whack a mole,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Like you focus on one thing and he did some
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: other outrageous shit. So it's just like, well, eventually we
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: run out of adrenaline and we can't be outraged perpetually
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: for four years, you know, Yeah, whereas you know, like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: it was a simpler time before, like someone did something
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: fucked up, you didn't know about all the other fucked
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: up shit they did. You can focus on that, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is wild. This is like
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: a floodgate of bad behavior.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And there's even stories in this book that I
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: hadn't heard. I mean, I'm sure I haven't heard all
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: of the crazy Donald Trump stories because that like that's
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: how he lived his life, Like that's not just how
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: he is as president, that's.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Just why would banks keep giving him money?
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: No one knows.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Some people say I think I remember something from the
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: book that it could have been related to the ego
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: of like, well, we invested this much in this person.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: We can't just say, oh, well we fucked up. It
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: was just like, well, we need to get a return
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: on this investment. So it was just sort of like
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: this black hole of they were just throwing money into
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: because of pride.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also the way he presented himself. Like
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: one of the things I don't have in the notes.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: One of his early projects was this. It was this
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: hotel project, and the way he gets involved in it
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: is he just holds a press conference and holds up
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: this artist rendering of what this hotel project is going
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: to look like when he's done with it. And he
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: was in no way connected to that project at all.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: That was his in Like he just called a press
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: conference and said here's what I'm gonna do with this hotel,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and banks just fucking threw him money so he could
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: do it, like he was up to that point. No
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: one had given him any authority to tear down this
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: hotel or rebuild it. So he like, he's just good
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: at talking himself.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Up and using propaganda.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And one of the stories I found really interesting,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: she brings it up early in part three, which is
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: called Smoke and Mirrors, And it's an example of something
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: we see all the time now, which is Trump just
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: blatantly acting like he knows better than experts. And this
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: happened in nineteen eighty three. He was building Trump Tower
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: and the one of the buildings he had to tear
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: down to build Trump Tower had some historic art stuff
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: on its facade. So he promised the Metropolitan Museum of
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Art that he would preserve all of that and hand
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: it over to them so they can display it in
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the museum. But then when it comes time to do that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: he realizes that to take him off without destroying him
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: is going to cost a whole lot of money and
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: it's going to hold the project up. So he just
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: tears the building down and destroys all of that historic
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: art shit. And when people were like, why did you
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: do that? You had this agreement in place, his reply
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: was they had no actual artistic merit. So one of
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: the biggest museums of art in the world wanted those
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: items for their artistic merit, and Trump was like, I disagree.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I tore it down. And it was just because he
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: didn't want to spend the money to save them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: He just yeah, it was outside of his realm of
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: what he cared about, Yeah, which was anything outside of
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: his self interest seems just unimportant.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: They they talk about back to banks for a second.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: At one point he was so in debt to these banks.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: They put him on an allowance and it was four
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month, and he's still
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: he was not able to stick to that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I think. I remember when that news story came out.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Was it in the nineties, Yeah, I remember that, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I remember just yeah, I was like, that's a isn't
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: that going to put him further in debt?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: That's a big allowance, It is like that, that's a
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: huge allowance. But when you're Trump, like I imagine, he
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: wasn't able to stick to it, just because who were
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: they to tell him how how to spend money and yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: how to live?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Who was anyone to tell him anything? I mean, every
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: time he did what he wanted and acted in his
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: own self interest, he was rewarded.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like all of the bragging he does about himself,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Like everyone still treated him like a really successful business person,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: even though all of his business ventures failed, he went
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: bankrupts so many times, And like this image he presents
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: is just getting validated more and more every step of
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: the way.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I like the term failing upwards,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: where you are in a position where success is basically
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: shoved down your throat, even if you do everything in
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: your power to fuck it up. You know, Fred set
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: his son up, gave him a huge platform.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: He really did, like and allowance and fucking is actively
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: destroying the world because of it. Right now. It's like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: it's crazy that just like it really does boil down
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: to Fred Trump and how he raised Donald Trump. Like
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: that is a whole lot of why we're in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: predicament we're in right now.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because it's like, well, who would Donald
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Trump be if he was raised by supportive, attentive, emotionally
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: available parents. Who would he be?
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I like the point she makes in the book
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: that Donald Trump basically for his entire life has been
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: institutionalized like there has never been a point where he's
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: truly lived on his own without massive amounts of security
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and support around him. And that was the case when
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: he was running his Trump Empire, and it's the case
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: now when he's president. Like he's never had to live
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: on his own in any way, which is a scary
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: thing to think about. When again talking about the person
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: leading the country, What did you think about all the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: stuff about her being written out of Fred's will?
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I thought it was cruel. I thought it was completely cruel.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's I mean, when there's that much wealth,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: it's just cruel because it's just like also, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: based on what her father experienced, Like that's the least
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: they could have done.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Right. Basically what happened is when fred Trump dies, Freddie
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Trump is just removed from the will because he's dead
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: by that point, so.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: His entire line doesn't exist to fred Trump, right, it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: kind of erased his grandchildren from Freddie.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: When she realized that they were getting no money at all,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: like she goes to the family and like it's really
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: indicative of what kind of family this was and what
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: kind of people they are, because it would have been
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: very easy for any one of like there's so many siblings.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: It would have been really easy for any of them,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: or Donald especially to be like, all right, like that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: kind of shitty, will help you out. But in this family,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: you just did not do that. You did not question
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: what Fred Trump wanted, even in death.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was wild. They're like, well, that's what he wanted,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: so it must be right, even though from our perspective,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: you know, it's it's so cruel to just not even
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: to completely cut out your grandchildren.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: And he only cuts out the two grandchildren who were
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: born to the son who died. All the other grandchildren
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: get stuff because their parents are alive, and so they
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: end up filing a lawsuit and they're like, we're being
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: punished because our dad died.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Trump had a Trump said, Fred doesn't care. Fred only
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: cares about his living children.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Right, and once that living child was dead, those grandchildren
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: were dead to him.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: It's odd.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: It's odd. It's very cruel, and it's an insanely sad
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: story because the one person the author of this book,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Mary Trump, had a still decent relationship with was Fred
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Trump's wife, Donald Trump's mother, and for most of her
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: adult life that's who she got along with and confided
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: in And as soon as she filed that lawsuit, her
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: grandmother called her and was like, listen, your grandfather died penniless.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Why are you trying to ruin the family. And then
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: her grandmother wrote her out of her will when she died,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: like you did not question Fred Trump even after he died.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: If that's what his will said, that's what his will said.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: And they were punished. She was Mary was punished. They
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: were vindictive.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: At one point during the lawsuit, they took away Mary
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: and her brother's health insurance, even though her brother had
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: a child who was seriously ill and relied on that insurance.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: And also like that didn't benefit the family at all.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: It was cruelty for the sake of cruelty, right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: And it's it's a it's really, i think representative of
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: what kind of family environment Trump grew up in. It
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: was really a survivor all of the fittest, every person
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: for themselves kind of thing. And when you add that
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: to just a complete lack of emotional support or love
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: of any kind, like Fred Trump basically had no human
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: connection to anyone. He was just his own person, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: he used the people around him for what he needed
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: them for and then he was done with him, like
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: he had no time for emotion, which is a really
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: terrifying way to raise a child.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, emotions are just part of being human.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: But the thing is with sociopaths is they have a
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: different experience of emotions and inability to feel empathy. So
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: in a way, it makes you wonder if sociopaths are
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: less human in a way.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you almost have to be like to
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: be this kind of person. Like, that's what it explains
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: why Donald Trump does not seem like a real person.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: His dad was not a real person.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: They're like cartoon villains.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like his dad was like this embodiment of everything
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: you would want a parent not to do, except wrapped
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: up in this person who thinks that's exactly what a
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: parent should do. It's terrifying.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: It's terrifying. And also like without any emotions, that that
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: is what makes them so two dimensional, right.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: I think that's the real interesting part of the book
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: is the stuff about Fred Trump and how his parenting
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: style molded Donald Trump. The rest of the book, part
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: four is about Trump's time as president, and that's interesting also,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: but like we're all going through that so like I
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: could have wrote that section of the book. I did
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: find it interesting. I don't think I realized that she
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: was the source for that New York Times article about
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: the Trump family fortune. Did you ever read that article.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: I haven't yet. I remember when it came out.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: It won a fucking Pulleitzer, and it is really interesting.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: It was I heard it was extremely comprehensive. So they
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: did the they did the research.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: One of the things that happened when Mary Trump was
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: involved in this lawsuit is she kept asking how much
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Fred Trump was worth when he died, and like people
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: would say, like, oh, like thirty to fifty million something
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: like that. Like at one point someone told her seventeen million,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: and like, she doesn't She's not a fucking financial expert.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: She was like, oh, you know, okay, that sounds like
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: a lot of money. And it turns out they were
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: worth too, closer to like five hundred million at least.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: And what the New York Times uncovered, with basically the
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: help of Mary Trump, she found because she had filed
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: that lawsuit, she was entitled to all of these financial
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: records from Trump management, and the New York Times shows
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: up at her house in twenty sixteen and is like,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: we think you might be able to tell us something
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: this thing we're investigating, and she ends up bringing them
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: nineteen boxes of documents that show that the Trump family
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: was worth upwards of a I think four hundred and
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: thirty million at one point.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: A lot more than they were saying, a lot more
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: than she was being told.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: And not just that, but they had a long, long
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: time ago set up this company basically for the kids,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: or under the guise of giving the kids something to
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: fall back on, and what he was really using it
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: for was to just funnel money to the kids, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: in a way that he wouldn't have to pay any
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: gift taxes. Yeah, so they were just hiding their income
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: and they were using this company, and like the money
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: he would funnel in, they would pretend they were like
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: buying shit with it, and they just fucking keep the money.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: And what's really frustrating about this part of the book
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: to me is that it's just another example of how
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: untouchable Trump is as president. That is such a huge scandal.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Fucking Tom Dashel was the Senate Majority Leader, and he
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: was a senator from South Dakota, Like South Dakota is
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: such a tiny, insignificant state, and they had that much
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: fucking power in the Senate and they voted that guy
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: out of office over attack scandal. Remember those days, They
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: are fucking gone. Like this scandal far out weighs what
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Tom Dashel did, but it had no fucking impact none.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe, you know, going back to maybe it's just too much.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to put out a fire if
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: there's fire everywhere. If you can, and if you can't
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: put it out, you just learn to live within. It
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: becomes your norm. I mean, it's just all of us
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: can say, how did this happen? How does it continue happening?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: And I think we really need to look at our
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: power structure, you know, and the people in our government,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: like if they have any sense, then why are they
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: supporting this guy? And it's like, oh wow, like they're
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: really pretty acting the minority, the minority interests here at
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: the expense of everyone else.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I have a sinking suspicion that the government of the
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: United States in general has for a long time wanted
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: to move in a more fascist direction.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, there's no there is no truly progressive
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: party here. I mean, like our progressive party is more
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: centrist and pretty conservative, and our conservative parties extremely conservative.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: And the fact that like just since like the nineties
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: or so, like this, the way the country is divided
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: between Republican and Democrat is a relatively new thing. Like
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I remember when all that started, and it was when
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton was in office, Like that is the moment
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: in history when those lines became really important. And what
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: that does, and I wish more people realize this is
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: it just allows the government to get away with bad
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: shit forever, because there's always gonna be half the population
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: that no matter what that person in charge is doing,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: they're gonna be like, that's fine, that's our guy. And
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: like you see it with things like Trump wanted to
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: at one point was talking about setting up a national Internet,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: like national five G Internet, and people were like, oh,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I don't want Trump to set up national Internet. Obama
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: suggested the same thing when he was in office, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Democrats were all for it, and Republicans were like, whoa,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: we don't want the president setting up a nationalized internet service.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: And it just it allows the government to kind of
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: operate unchecked, like things like the Patriot Act. We should
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: have been so fucking outraged by it, but we were
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: all traumatized from nine to eleven, and even if we
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: said anything, half the country was going to be like, yeah,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: but it's a republican thing, so it's cool. Like we
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: need to fight terrorists, so it's fine that we gave
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: away all of our personal freedoms.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's again using the distractions.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: It's a good divide and conquer.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And a politician will always take advantage of a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: good disaster, right.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: And we really need to get past that bipartisan shit.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Other we're not gonna get anywhere.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's tribalism.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: And at this point, it's like, look at the centerpiece issues,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Like what do they have to do with anything? Like
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: you have to like if you believe in if you're
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: pro choice, like you have to be a democrat. Like
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: it's like why do you have to Why does why
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: does salad come with what? I'm trying to think of
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: two random foods that don't belong together. I'm trying to
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: make an analogy, but I can't do it right now.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: You know, why is like why is the macaroni coming
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: with curry? Like you know, it's just like what, why
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: do I have to have this as a meal, Like
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: why can't I It's a very difficult time to sort
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: of build your own ethics. It's like, you know, you
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: got to jump on this bandwagon or this bandwagon, and
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: it's like I want to jump on any of these
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: shitty bandwagons.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I was to say I saw a really funny tweet.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: I don't remember who said it, but like they said
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: like Republicans are like fuck you and Democrats are like
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: fuck you. Hearts rainbows, black lives matter. Yeah, I thought
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: that was funny.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: That's very accurate, and I think that's like, that's obviously
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: going to be Trump's campaign strategy in twenty twenty, if
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: we still have an election, He's going to be like, well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: they've been saying that they're the party that helps black people,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: but what have they done? And why are all these
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: police shootings happening in Democrat controlled cities.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, let's look at this. You got you got
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: wolves and then you got wolves in sheep's clothing.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Pretty much, that's those are our two choices. And the
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: scariest part about it is, depending on what sides you're on,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: you probably fucking love that choice. I mean, there are
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: people who are as rabid for just Democrats in general
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: as Trump supporters are for Trump, to the point that
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: there's a certain segment of society where if you question
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: anything Obama did, oh so you're a Trump supporter now,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: and it's like, no, every president fucking sucked. Yeah, everyone
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: we've ever elected was goddamn trash.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: And aren't they all like low key related?
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I think so. I think I've read that that there's
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: like one bloodline that connects like most of the presidents,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: and it's like, why, come on, come on, people, let's
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: just I still think we should just go without a
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: president for a while, Like, let's make that just let
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: we cancel the election.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, exactly, Like do we I mean, obviously
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: we don't need one that functions well, so do we
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: really need any Like is there an autopilot button? Because
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: right now it's like he's he's like the driver that
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: drives really bad that you wish would use autopilot.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And the thing about you know, going without a president,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: one of the things we've been allowing on both sides
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: for every president since at least Reagan, is we just
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: let motherfuckers issue executive orders and circumvent Congress, circumvent the
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Senate and just make laws. And it's another thing where
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: if you're a Democrat and it was Obama doing it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: you're like, that's fine, it's Obama. He's just getting around
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: that Congress that won't let him get anything done. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: now Trump does it, and Democrats are like, oh, he's
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: governing through executive orders. And it's like, motherfuckers, we've been
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: allowing this for decades and decades and decades.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: It's like, he's just he's a wolf that doesn't wear
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: the sheep he killed to hide behind.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: He's what we've been wanting. Basically, I think he's what
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: this country secretly a lot of people have been secretly wanting,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: is a fucking dictator.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: This is a really sort of conservative, puritanical country we
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: kind of live in. I mean it's relative, but you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: like there's some draconian shit.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and people throw the term white supremacy around a
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: lot these days, but like to the point that it
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: almost I think gets trivialized a little bit, but it's
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: a real fucking thing. Like the thing I always bring
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: up is there's this organization called the Five Eyes, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: the Five Eyes are five different countries that all share
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: intelligence and police tactics and training with each other. And
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: it's all the white countries. It's the United States, Canada,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: I think, Australia, Italy, maybe in France. I don't know
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: if that's exactly the five.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: So it's like it's I mean, white people are in power,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: and what we may be witnessing is white people trying
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: to keep their power.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: I kind of suspect that's what the American government in
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: general has wanted this whole time, is to keep white
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: people in power. And I think even fucking putting Obama
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: in office for eight years was part of that. I
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: don't know if we even really have a choice who
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: our president is anymore. Like even in the like that
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: it goes back to the bipartisan shit, Like even in
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: the face like the two thousand and four elections, something
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: weird happened in Ohio, Like there are so many reports
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: of a lot of election irregularities in Ohio, and Ohio
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: is how Bush won reelection. So half the country was like, well,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: our guy won, so what do we care? And it's
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: like because the other side could use that in the future,
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Like do you not fucking get that? Shit? Like this
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: is bad for the entire country or fucking Russia interfering
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: in the twenty sixteen election, and Trump supporters are like, yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: I think Russia might be the real patriots. It's like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: are you out of your fucking minds?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's pretty outrageous, and it's I mean, it's like, yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: what timeline are we in right now? Like you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: like this is it's wild, Like this shit's wild. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you know, you read history books and
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: shit was fucked up throughout history. This just it just
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: like there's a lot going on right now at a
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: global level, and it's when you're that when when dangerous
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: people are that organized at a global level, It's like,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: all right, what's happening?
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: What an unsettling time to be alive?
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Who's having kids right now? That's what I want to know.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: We are living through so many documentaries right now.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I wish they'd be on TV because it's like, we
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: need content. We're just sitting here at home.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we should just start filming that that coronavirus Trump documentary.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Right now we are all living through it. So I
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: think that's our episode. Unless you have any final thoughts
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: on the Mary Trump book, I think people should read it.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: I think it's very enlightening when it comes to Trump
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: and figuring out why he's the way he is. And hey,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: even if you're a Trump fan, read it. It's about
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: your boys childhood.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like Fred seemed to have no issue
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: with Trump showing with Donald showing his ass, So like,
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: if you are already support Donald, like you might be like,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: this is my motherfucking hero.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you might think Fred Trump's a great dad. So
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: if you're Trump's supported, go read it for a heartwarming
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: story about a father raising his son. Right, you feeling
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: this monsters you.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: If you want to get the feels the warmth it was.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: It was a good book. It was a really quick read. Yeah,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: less than three hundred pages. And she's a great writer.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Mary Trump's a great writer. And she not only as
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: a psychologist, you know, she had a very very unique
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: access that other psychologists wouldn't have, you know, being his niece,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: being Donald Trump's niece. So read it, I said, I
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: recommend it. I think it's a good read and it
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: has a lot of relevant information that it does.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Do we have anything to plug before we get out
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: of here? What do you got?
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I got I'm putting more and more of my
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: stand up online, so check me out on YouTube and
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: ig on Instagram. I'm it's just my name, Fisa Desani
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Fizaa d os A and I put an at sign
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: before that. And then I have a weekly podcast myself
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: called Facial Recognition Comedy and I co host it with
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: two other comedians who are also women of South Asian descent.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: And basically the point is we're not the same person,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: and it's interesting to get the three of us in
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: the same room because like, white people always think we're
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: the same person because they don't have any brown A
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: lot of them don't have a brown person in their
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: life to reference, so it's like, oh, that's the brown person,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: that's so and so. But we actually have very different personalities,
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: so the conversation becomes very interesting, and we have all
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: kinds of guests. You don't have to be Indian at all.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: We should have you. You should come on our podcast.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Uh what do I have to plug? I don't know.
• 52:43
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• 52:47
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• 52:51
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• 52:55
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• 53:06
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• 53:13
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• 53:15
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• 53:18
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• 53:20
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• 53:24
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• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never watched one or been on one, but
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to run one for the first
• 53:32
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• 53:37
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• 53:40
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• 53:51
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• 53:55
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• 53:59
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• 54:02
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• 54:06
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