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I regret belittling men; at 63, I’ve ended up alone | Red Pill Relationships · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome back to Honeybatcher Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Alison. I know
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  Speaker 1: you can't see it. She's just getting the water and
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  Speaker 1: this is red fill relationships. I regret belittling men at
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  Speaker 1: sixty three. I've ended up alone where we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be looking at this article that's been doing the rounds.
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  Speaker 1: So we're not the first to talk about it, although
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  Speaker 1: it might be brings something unique to the table with
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  Speaker 1: regards to it. I know that I've seen it going
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  Speaker 1: around multiple people. I think Baldos Watson talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: Goodfella talked about it, Sargon talked about it, and probably others.
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  Speaker 2: So we we'll find a new angle.
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  Speaker 1: See well, yeah, I mean so this is an independent Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is a thought piece from the Eyepaper, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is I don't know what it is. It's intellectual
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  Speaker 1: website and it's written by Kate Mulvey and Kate Mulvey
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  Speaker 1: is realizing at sixty three that she is unhappy with
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  Speaker 1: her life and that she basically feminism destroyed her love
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  Speaker 1: life and by extension it turned her into a nihilist.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not bringing the lead here it's basically right
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  Speaker 1: there in the headline. But we could know, maybe we'll
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  Speaker 1: look at the article and find out, like if there's
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  Speaker 1: some way to salvage something and get like some satisfaction
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  Speaker 1: out of your life even at sixty three. This is
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  Speaker 1: something that I don't think people have talked about. So
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  Speaker 1: with that Alson knew, we want to do the things
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the article.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think it's uh, I think I
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  Speaker 2: know why we're all here. I think we know why
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  Speaker 2: we're all here. We're here to gloat and feel a
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  Speaker 2: suitable out of Shoden Frauda at this individual. Let's be frank.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could go in.
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  Speaker 2: And say, oh, well, maybe it's not too late. But honestly,
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  Speaker 2: at sixty three, it probably is too late to dig
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  Speaker 2: yourself out of this hole. But I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 2: like she's in dire poverty or misery. It's just an
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  Speaker 2: existential crisis really, which she could fill with other things perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Before we get started, I'm gonna ask you
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  Speaker 2: let's going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now we're gonna get into the article.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just adjust this a little bit here my
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  Speaker 1: camera it's crooked. Why sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Is oyah? I do this all the time too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is from the ipaper Orinews dot co
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  Speaker 1: dot uk and the headline reads, I regret belittling men.
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  Speaker 1: At sixty three, I've ended up alone. I had always
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  Speaker 1: imagined I would end up married, with two wonderful children,
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  Speaker 1: living in a house in the countryside. I have paid
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  Speaker 1: a hefty price for my soul. Called Liberation by Kate Mulvey.
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  Speaker 2: Does any consider Does she have like a little feeler
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  Speaker 2: of consideration for the men that she harmed by belittling them?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to like she does get
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  Speaker 1: into it, but I I think that she's legitimately remorseful
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  Speaker 1: for essentially what she did with her life, which I say,
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  Speaker 1: well again, I'm not gonna I don't want to get
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  Speaker 1: ahead of myself. But let's let's get it because it's
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  Speaker 1: not it's not a long article, so I'll read a paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: He give you give some thoughts, all right. A few
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  Speaker 1: years ago I went to Italy with my then boyfriend James.
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  Speaker 1: We sat tucking into a plate of fruity damar at
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  Speaker 1: a seaside restaurant. I struck up a conversation with the
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  Speaker 1: waiter in Italian while I was enjoying myself. James sat
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  Speaker 1: glumly and fiddled awkwardly with his phone Back in the
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  Speaker 1: hotel room. He asked why I had ignored him by
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  Speaker 1: speaking in a language he didn't understand. He said, I
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  Speaker 1: had managed to make him feel small.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, why would you do that? Also, what she this?
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  Speaker 2: This is a sixty year old she still has boyfriends? Oh? Man, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: good lord, oh god. I mean, I don't like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not I'm not throwing shade on the millennials or the
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  Speaker 2: millennials or whatever you're calling yourselves, not throwing shade on
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  Speaker 2: the younger population because your courtship has been irrevocably screwed
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  Speaker 2: by all of the bullshit ideology that has come down
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  Speaker 2: the pike since the sixties. So I'm not, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: throwing shade on you. But if you're in your sixties
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  Speaker 2: and you still don't have a partner, not even a partner,
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  Speaker 2: just a boyfriend, good lord.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but yes, you didn't keep a man, so yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it sounds like but just based on that
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  Speaker 1: first paragraph, this woman is she lives a life of
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  Speaker 1: let's say, well, look, let me just read it again.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think about this because I've never
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  Speaker 1: had experience like this. Okay, as we sut tucking into
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  Speaker 1: a plate of fruity DeMar at a seaside restaurant, I
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  Speaker 1: struck up a conversation with a waiter in Italian, So like,
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  Speaker 1: this is like pretty hoity toity. That's what it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like to me. Right, Maybe maybe I'm not cultured, but
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like if you're basically, like, you know, talking
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  Speaker 1: to waiters in Italian at a seaside restaurant, eating something
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  Speaker 1: I never heard of, fruity damar. It sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: dessert maybe I don't know, something fruit fruey with very
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  Speaker 1: small portions and really fancy forks. And it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: what she's pursued, a life of material excess, and yet
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  Speaker 1: she can't connect with a human being. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's my that's that's my guess.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy had to actually explain to her how
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  Speaker 2: being in that situation and striking up a conversation with
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  Speaker 2: another man while you're with your boyfriend, dining with your boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: which should be sort of about the shared experience between
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  Speaker 2: yourself and your boyfriend. God, so juvenile? Could you'd be
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  Speaker 2: about that shared experience? And instead she is alienating him
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  Speaker 2: and he has to actually explain this to her because
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  Speaker 2: you know, women are so good at emotional labor. All right, Eh,
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  Speaker 2: how would you have felt? Okay, how would you have
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  Speaker 2: felt if your male partner and you and you've got
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  Speaker 2: maybe let's say, let's say you went to like Bali
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  Speaker 2: or Thailand or something and he's started talking tie to
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  Speaker 2: the cute waitress and the little like the bautique skirt,
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  Speaker 2: how would you have felt?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Can you? Can you? Can you engage in this empathy
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  Speaker 2: exercise before you alienate your supposed partner or someone who
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  Speaker 2: I would hope you'd be evolving from boyfriend to partner?
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  Speaker 2: Husband is you know, I'm pretty sure that's completely out
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  Speaker 2: of this woman's universe at this point. But maybe you
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  Speaker 2: could evolve him from boyfriend to partner. And you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to do that presumably through these shared experiences, like and
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  Speaker 2: you cannot open your mind to consider his experience, Like,
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  Speaker 2: just just do walk through the steps in your own
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  Speaker 2: mind of how you would feel and say, hmm, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't, okay, but let's
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious how she responds to him telling her that
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  Speaker 2: she's alienating him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus, fact, sitting back in the hotel room suggests
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  Speaker 1: that they were traveling as well. So they traveled to
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  Speaker 1: a seaside well, a place that had a seaside restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so anyway, I could see his point. I
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  Speaker 1: spent quite a while chatting away, oblivious to how he
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  Speaker 1: must be feeling, and then went on to joke that
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  Speaker 1: this is the Italian speaker I would order for us.
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  Speaker 1: After all, he didn't know what osso Buco meant. I
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  Speaker 1: was showing off.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so wait, no, no, no, this is more than
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  Speaker 2: being oblivious to how he was feeling. Listen to the judgment.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to the judgment. As we sat talking into a
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  Speaker 2: plate of pretentious fruit, well.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently it's fish. People are saying it's seafood. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess so it's Italian dish at a seaside restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds really expected.
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  Speaker 2: Seafood, Okay, a pretentious way of saying seafood pasta? How's
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  Speaker 2: that a pretentious way of saying seafood pasta? She struck
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  Speaker 2: up a conversation while I was enjoying myself. James sat
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  Speaker 2: glumly and fiddled awkwardly with his phone. No shit, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: and no, at no point did you stop and say, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excluding you. I'm sorry. Like you, you saw his
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  Speaker 2: signs of distress and you're just like observing him. You
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  Speaker 2: look like you're distress my boyfriend, and you didn't stop
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  Speaker 2: and saying maybe I shouldn't continue this, maybe I should
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  Speaker 2: include him. And I'm guessing you don't even have the
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  Speaker 2: benefit of being an utter fridge brained autist like me,
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  Speaker 2: like I, you know, like I, I could see this
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  Speaker 2: if you were a complete autist lady. But the fact
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  Speaker 2: is you're you're putting a lot of emotional judgmentalism into
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  Speaker 2: your observations of your partner. I'm just saying he's not
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  Speaker 2: just she's not. She's not just oblivious. She's reading into
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  Speaker 2: So which is it? Is she aware of how she's
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  Speaker 2: feeling and reading into it and being slightly judgy about it,
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  Speaker 2: or is she oblivious to it like a fridge brained
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  Speaker 2: autist like me. Seems like more it's more from column
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  Speaker 2: A here.
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  Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, so fruite de Mari is essentially a seafood
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  Speaker 1: pasta dish. It can range anywhere from ten bucks to
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  Speaker 1: fifty bucks, although there are some Greek places that I
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  Speaker 1: guess where it's so good, it's so fancy or rare
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  Speaker 1: in its ingredients, it can go into the thousands. I'm
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  Speaker 1: guessing it was probably like a fifty dollars m serving that.
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  Speaker 1: That's just for that part portion.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, I will say this, I did go to
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  Speaker 2: Rome when we when we went when I went to
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  Speaker 2: Europe to go to the Messages for Men and then
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  Speaker 2: also the Norwegian conference, which was really interesting for men.
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  Speaker 2: That was back in the twenty nineteen. We were doing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of meetups related to men's issues, which we
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  Speaker 2: really need to get back to guys. And when I
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  Speaker 2: went to actually going to Rome was a relief because
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  Speaker 2: the food prices in Norway are were absolutely insane. Sixty
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  Speaker 2: bucks for a burger, yeah, well that was that was
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  Speaker 2: Canadian pesos, so like forty bucks for a burger American
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  Speaker 2: like Jesus, oh god. And when you go to go
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  Speaker 2: to Rome you could get like an actual authentic Italian
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  Speaker 2: pizza two for like twenty dollars, you know. So it
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  Speaker 2: was the food prices just were substantially less. The food
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  Speaker 2: was better too, Sorry Norway. Also, your Sammi beef jerky
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely repulsive. I'm never eating whale meat again. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: rome really good, really really really good food. Really annoying
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  Speaker 2: h third world immigrants trying to sell you stuff that's
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  Speaker 2: that's not fun, but really good food, very cheap. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she could could be a cheat, like she
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  Speaker 2: could be in like a little little mom and pop
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  Speaker 2: bistro on the seaside. And this doesn't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 2: be expensive. I don't think that's the point. The point
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  Speaker 2: is she's obnoxious, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Next paragraph, Yeah, it wasn't the first time something like
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  Speaker 1: this had happened to me. I have always taken the
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  Speaker 1: driving seat, been determined to get the last word, and
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  Speaker 1: was too busy with books to master the art of charm.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess there's a bit of an admission there.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you know, to mention that they were
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  Speaker 1: too busy with books to master the art of charm
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  Speaker 1: and have always been like basically combative, like taking the
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  Speaker 1: driving seat, determined to get the last word. That's just
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  Speaker 1: a quarrelsome woman, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that she's still deflecting because she's
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  Speaker 2: sowing a lot of judgment of the emotions she says
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  Speaker 2: she's oblivious of, so she's picking she's obviously aware of
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  Speaker 2: the emotions she subsequently says are she's oblivious too. So
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  Speaker 2: even in this kind of confessional, I think she's still
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  Speaker 2: holding something back, which is, did you actually revel in
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  Speaker 2: his discomfort? Did you enjoy it right? Or did you
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  Speaker 2: recognize it and you just didn't care? Because you don't
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  Speaker 2: sound like you're oblivious, So it sounds like you're lying
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  Speaker 2: to yourself when you say, oh, I was oblivious to this,
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  Speaker 2: to these emotions that I can correctly identify and describe.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you weren't. So already we're starting off not very good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're lying to yourself here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced that the reason I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, no, I mean, I think she's trying to
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  Speaker 2: hide behind pretending to be a fridge brained autist. But continue.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced that the reason I'm still booking a table
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  Speaker 1: for one at the age of sixty three instead of
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  Speaker 1: having settled with a significant other is because, like so
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  Speaker 1: many women of my generation, feminism has ruined my love life. No,
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  Speaker 1: you did have him? Huh?
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  Speaker 2: I said, no, you did.
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  Speaker 1: Huh. Feminism has ruined my love life. Instead of empowering us,
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  Speaker 1: those ideals of the second way, feminists made us believe
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  Speaker 1: marriage and domesticity were to be avoided like the plague,
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  Speaker 1: and that men were competition rather than partners.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, When she says so many women of my generation
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  Speaker 2: feminism has ruined my love life, that's like saying, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you take a hammer to a wall and you start
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  Speaker 2: hammering holes in it, and then when someone says, why
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  Speaker 2: are you hammering holes in your wall, you say, the
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  Speaker 2: hammer made me do it. No, you did it. You see.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see how she's deflecting agentcy like the second time?
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  Speaker 2: Do you need a moment to cough?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I'm fine, wrong, tube, that's okay?
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It was just some drinking, some liquids and sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh okay, No, I think essentially yeah, when
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  Speaker 1: you say, I mean, look, I agree that that ideology
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  Speaker 1: probably did ruin your life, but I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: it was something that was affecting so many women of
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  Speaker 1: your generation. Some sure, but a lot of women they
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  Speaker 1: did end up having kids, and a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: were actually like feminists too, or feminists who basically said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to this standard, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: holding myself to this standard. And they they got married
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  Speaker 1: to a guy and they had children. I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: freaking what's her name, didn't she get married? Gloria Steinem
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, feminism, or at least one of them, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's because then then the feminism becomes more about
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  Speaker 2: a relational aggression. So you are destroying other women's ability
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  Speaker 2: to partner because that will increase your own market value
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  Speaker 2: and reduce any kind of defection threats, which would be
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  Speaker 2: defection threats, so that would be threats of cheating. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So if you reduce women's ability, because feminism really does
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  Speaker 2: reduce women's ability to partner with memen in a permanent setting,
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  Speaker 2: you increase your overall market value. So a woman who
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  Speaker 2: has any eye to commitment can punch way above her
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  Speaker 2: weight in a in a seller's market. Essentially, that constructs
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  Speaker 2: a seller's market, and when you have a partner, it
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  Speaker 2: also makes it less likely that he is going to
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  Speaker 2: have the option to cheat. So this is all interrelational competition.
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  Speaker 2: I remember saying this like two years ago on one
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: of Pearl's Secondary channel podcasts where she puts like the
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  Speaker 2: the c Listers, And I remember that I was on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast with a black dude who was like a
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  Speaker 2: more of like a on the line of a pickup artist,
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  Speaker 2: And when I mentioned that people underestimate the effects of
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  Speaker 2: female female competition, I remember he really pushed back on that,
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  Speaker 2: you guys can find it. It was an interesting conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And what's what's interesting to me now is two years later,
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  Speaker 2: female intersectional competition is on everyone's lips. Have you noticed that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is mate suppression, like ye, mate suppression? Yeah, yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: but yeah, And that's the thing, Like, I think that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: she'd probably be really sad to hear that prop. A
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: lot of the people that she hailed as heroes successfully
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: engage in mate suppression against her, even even if they
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: had no chance with like you know, in terms of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: proximity or opportunity or whatever with men she could have had,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: but they took her out of the dating pool while
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: they stayed in the dating pool.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So plus, I think that if you're a feminist with
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a man, even if that man is on a leash,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it looks better for feminism then if you're like alone,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: because women will look at that and they say, oh, yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I guess you can have it all and that guy
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: does whatever she wants or whatever. Right, So then yeah,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Gloria Sangem can better sell her brand of feminism. Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Or Clementine Ford. I think she's got a man.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: She's Claire, right, who Branny claireny Claire.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got a man, right, So it looks better
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: for branding feminism because you can say, look, I don't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: hate men. I'm married to one, right, Yeah, I have
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: male friends.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Well, anyway, so yeah, this, I guess this woman took
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: it really to heart and she really like just like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: lived that life, and now that it's blown up in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: her face, she's trying to blame the ideology without even
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: observing the fact that, again, the people who led the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: movement weren't doing the same thing that she did. So anyway,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: all right, I might have a successful career as a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: writer and broadcaster, but I have never had children or
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: been married, and my longest relationship lasted eight years. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: regret this. I had always imagined I would end up
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: married with two wonderful children, and living in a house
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: in the countryside. I have paid a hefty price for
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: my soul called liberation.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: There was another thought that I had. I mean, you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: talked about some feminists actually getting into relationships and managing
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to maintain them. So she's feminism when there are counterexamples
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to even feminists managing to maintain relationships. And then there's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: also me, because when I got involved with feminism, eventually
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the only thing that's stuck or the focus that I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: had was on equality. So I would ask myself what
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: would be expected of a man in this circumstance towards
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a woman, and I would try to embody that. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: know that sounds absolutely crazy, but that was my takeaway.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That was my ultimate takeaway after years of contending with
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: feminist philosophy, and then I realized that there was absolutely
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: no other feminist in existence ever who actually interpreted feminism
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that way. But she could have, Like on my point
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is that she could have interpreted feminism that way, which
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: would have meant that when she had this urge to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: belittle her partner, she would have walked through it in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: her mind and said, how would that make me feel?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. She would actually have
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: an attitude of wanting to protect her partner's emotional their
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: feelings in this circumstance, which would have prevented her from
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: engaging in this kind of callous dismissal of how he
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: was feeling. Or maybe if she did pick up as
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: her his emotions, which is obvious that she did, she
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: would recognize that she needs to take something, take action
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to make him feel better. Based on my interpretation of feminism,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: which again I recognize is absolutely apostate and completely eccentric
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and anomalous, But it's possible, like it's possible that she
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: could have interpreted this situation based on professed desire for
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: equality and said, you know, a man would be seen
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: as bad if they didn't, if he didn't consider the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: emotions of their partner, if he was alienating her. You know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: then I will, I will take consider of his emotions
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the way he is expected to take a consideration of mind.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But she didn't do that either, Okay.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I was seventeen and a pupil at Godolphin and Late
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Mr Latimer Latimer sorry, one of Britain's most academic institutions,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and when I was introduced to the women's liberation movement.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It offered such hope and excitement, and we spent our
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: lunch breaks soaking up the feminist mantras of Jermaine Greer
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and Betty free Dan. Act like men, they cried as
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they burnt their bras and demonize housework and the family.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And you didn't even think to question it, probably because
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: if I had to guess, there is if you sound
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like somebody who is constantly looking to demonstrate their status,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like it's like it's important, and if you're in a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: big university, apparently it's a the most academic institution, one
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of Britain's most academic institutions, go Dolphin and Latimer. I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: hope I'm not butchering that pronunciation, but I'm sorry. And
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you were like, oh, well, this is like where the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: smartest and best people are. So I got to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: one of the smartest and best. So I'm gonna I'm
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gonna read the feminist stuff and I'm gonna basically say
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this is me. Now, this is my new like not
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: question it and not ask myself if this is correct,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna do it because this is what
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you do. This is the popular thing to do. It's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the trend whatever, right, and I guess it was at
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that time, Like being a woman, didn't you imagine being
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a woman in the sixties when this was going on
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and you're young and you're in and you're going to school,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like could could you imagine how much pressure there would
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: be to like adopt the women's liberation movement? I mean,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it would like I don't know, you know what I mean.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, she certainly didn't resist the pressure, which doesn't speak
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: much to her critical thinking. But what I wanted to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: point out is she was living a life of intense privilege,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and feminism offered her such hope and excitement. Not the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: fact that you are in uh, one of Britain's most
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: academic institutions, which feels like it's missing an adjective, most prestigious,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: perhaps academic institutions, because it sounds like that meme, this
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is one of Britain's most academic institutions, academic academies. Yes,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: this is an institution of all time. I think that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: she's missing an adjective like prestigious. But regardless if she
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: assuming that that was what she was intending to say,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: so she's in a position of incredible privilege, and feminism
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is offering her hope and excitement like double privilege, Like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: feminism is the extra you know, f vanilla double cream
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: ice cream scoop on her on her cone, Like. I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: just find that really, really sort of hilarious. And the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: other thing is that you say that you wanted to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: act like men, you're not. You know, if you actually
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: walked through that initial scenario with your boyfriend in your mind,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you'd realize that men would be instantly condemned for doing
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: what you did.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Also, Jermaine Greer and Betty fri Dan are saying act
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: like men. They're basically saying, act like the version of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: men that we have constructed. It's not like real men, right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It's not Jermaine Greer slash, Betty free Dan slash Andrea
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Dwarkin slash or Bell Hook's version of what a man
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: acts like, which is probably yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's probably exactly what she thought she
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: was doing with this dude. But if she actually used
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: some critical thinking, she'd realize that it's nothing like that,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that he would have been condemned for treating her in
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: such a disreputable manner. And the other thing is that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that men demonized housework in families.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, like.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Men' spend their lives sacrificing to maintain a household and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: a family, but they demonize them even today, Even today,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: after all this time, men still want a family and
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: presumably a house to put the family in. So they
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: still they don't demonize family. They absolutely don't. And I
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: don't think they did seventy years ago either or not.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I guess it would be more like forty years ago,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: forty years past, twenties. Oh good, that's the eighties. Like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: what the heck is she even talking about? All right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: so let's I'm good.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So by the time I was twenty five,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: clutching a degree in French and Italian, I was a bright,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: confident feminist, keen to flex her intellectual muscles and to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: never let a man get the last word. I read
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Nietzsche for fun, and my bedside table has always buckled
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: beneath the weight of substantial, intellectually challenging books. At first,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: men love my wit and intelligence. You're such a breath
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of fresh air. I love talking to you. You're the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: first woman I've met who stimulates me. They trill trying
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to get you to sleep with them. No, I'm just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: added that at the end. I don't know if that's true,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but uh like, well, yeah, so she is boasting about
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: her her education which probably turned her into the person
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that she is, or at least contributed to it, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that she read Nietzsche for fun and the men were
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: flattered her, right, her wit and intelligence at first? Okay,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: oh that was.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Until the quest can I Betty over analyzes said that
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: she's she's humble bragging about how booksmark. She was, Well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: it's no longer humble brag.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I feel like I got to take.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: A shower over all of this slicking. Well yeah, the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: mental masturbation. I feel like the body.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, I'm success. I have a successful career
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: as a writer and broadcaster. And I've never heard of her.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: So but okay, I mean, I guess that doesn't mean
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's not successful. I just don't know who that is.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So that was I lectured them what they trill?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Also, men don't trill? What the hell are you freaking
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You just wanted to use that word in a sentence.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Categorically incapable of trilling, even the gayest of gay men
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: does not trill. He made burbal. He may use a
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: false set, but they can't like men cannot fucking trill.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Your vocal cords just do not produce such a sound
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Trill. I've never heard that word before. Hold on a second,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: lottering or tremulous sound, as they're made by certain birds.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: A warble, oh yeah, sure, A vibrato, a flirt, a.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Flutter, a vibrato. Okay, okay, So who creates who creates
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a vibrato sound? Just ask ask it?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what kind of man you're.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, he's not even even the gayest. I'm not
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: even gonna say femboys because they can be interesting. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: even the gayest of of of gay dudes does not trill. Okay,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: because he still has his testicles, right, he may. He
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: may make other sounds, but not that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So that was into I had lectured
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: them for the umpteenth time on the virtues of modernism.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You'll never win an argument against Kate, one man said,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: as he watched me out smart yet another potential lover. Subtext,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: don't bother men have called me intimidating, scary, and opinionated.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I now see that not only was I trying to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: prove I was their intellectual equal or superior, I was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: treating every encounter with a man like he was my adversary. Yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: where'd you get that from? Yeah? That would drive men away,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and that's how men are gonna respond. They're going to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: walk away. Yeah, I'm sorry, Alison. Did you want to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: say anything about that?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, Generally, treating someone as your adversary will either cause
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: them to submit or avoid you, or attempt to make
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you submit, which is maybe the real point. I wonder
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: if she in amongst all of that groaning pile of
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: philosophical treatises that she has on her side table. There's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the entire series of Gore novels. You know, Gore. Gore
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: is basically dark, romanticy. It has a gigantic female fan base,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and it's just a society of men that treat women
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: like slaves. She is a woman of cultures. When I'm saying,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: all right, let's ski all right?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, if a date ever brought me a bouquet of flowers,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: instead of smiling and putting them in a vase of water,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I would bite their head off. Can't you buy me
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: some nice olive oil or balsamic vinegar, I said, with
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: an eye roll to one hapless suitor as he stood
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: wilting faster than the fragrant offering he held in his hand.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: He had bothered to think about making me happy, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I crushed him for it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, somebody is in the special chat is saying you
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. Trilling is a slight
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: role of the art. She's in Britain, not in Rome,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: all right, when she's talking about these men trying to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: seduce her unless she spent all.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: The definition of trill is a fluttering or tremulous sound,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: as that made by a certain birds, or a warble.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: As a verb that says a noun. As a verb,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it says to sound, sing or play with a trill,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to produce or give forth a trill, which is a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: vibrato sound.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fluttering sound, right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It's Look, you can probably make that noise by rolling
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: your rs. But I don't think I think that she
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: was just using like, let's say, extra language to sound smart.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's it. That like she's still trying to demonstrate her
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: intellectual prowess while writing this thing by putting in extra
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: words nobody needs. And like Alicea said, men don't trill.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Not commonly, even even Italian. I could we could ask
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Pepito if he trolls. I don't recall that, all right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you can't do it, Reuben the imitator.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that, like again, you guys are spurring out
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: on this word. It's hot. It's the context of which
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: she's using it in. It's extra, that's it. She's just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: being really extra. Okay, But anyway, I play so much
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: more importance. I'm sorry. I placed so much importance on
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: finding a strong man who could match me that I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: forgot men or people with feelings. Instead, I forgot I
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: had feelings and hit my soft I forgot I had feelings.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: It hit my softness. I now see that I longed
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to be loved, but I was too scared to be vulnerable.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I was using my sharp mind to protect my all
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: too soft heart against yet further rejection.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Your heart is not soft. If your heart was soft,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you would have seen your boyfriend looking comfortable and imediately
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: said I gotta do something about it, not been oblivious.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that you you're lying about being oblivious
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: to your your boyfriend's emotions because you correctly identified them
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and used sort of judgmental language to describe them. I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: think you are lying to yourself when you're saying feminism
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: did this to me. And I think you're lying to
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: yourself when you say you have a soft heart. A
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: soft heart isn't like, do you honestly think that people
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: who constantly pity themselves have a soft heart? Right? No,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: A soft heart means that other people's displays of discomfort
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: move you, and you have not demonstrated this. Good Lord,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to spend time with her freakin article,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: much less her. All right, let's let's continue so again.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Well, going back back to the other part of this paragraph,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: where she says I placed so much importance on finding
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a strong man who would match me, who could match me,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that I forgotten men are people with feelings. Well, I'll
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: give you credit for that part, But but don't you
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: think it was weird that you thought like it was
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: like this, Like I don't know, like you're this Amazon
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: warrior queen. That's like if I will only marry a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: man who can defeat me in combat, don't you think
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that's kind of silly and you're sixty two, Like, when
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: did you figure this out? You still don't have a boyfriend. Well,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: she lost three.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing. I'm guessing that was the last one. That
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: was the last That was the last boat out of Haget.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It was the last one and you missed it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Out of hag Hood. Is that what you said? Yes,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: all right, it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Was the last train at a crone station and you
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you just missed it.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Ron Croneville. Here you come, all right. Another thing I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: regret deeply is my halley of one night stands. When
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I was younger, ooh, the body count. I distinctly remember
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: thinking it would be uncool to say no to the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: men I met at parties or dated. But I struggle
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to enjoy it. There was always a disconnect. This was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: abundantly clear the morning after, as I lay there waiting
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: for a sign of affection, he would be singing the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: triumphant had her song in the shower, A quick cheerioh
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and he was gone.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but you don't offer anything like Honestly, it
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: sounds like you, as a person offer nothing to another
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: human being. You are egotistical, you are selfish, You deflect blame,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: You don't take responsibility, and you turn relationships into combat.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Why would a man stick around? And that this feels
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like you're putting it on men. But maybe maybe, okay,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: maybe she doesn't. Maybe she has an insight. I'm looking
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: for an insight here, Brian, I'm not seeing much. I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: seeing deflections away from insights and not true accountability. What
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the hell like? Yes, lady, consider what was on offer.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: If the only thing of value that you're offering to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: your partner is your body, because your personality is abusive
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and corrosive, that's what men will do, and it's not
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: their fault. You will attract men who are just interested
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: in the one thing because they know they're not going
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to get anything else from you. You will not attract
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the men who are interested in a partner, a mutual partner,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: who will try to understand them, okay, and try to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: help them or recognize their emotions and how those emotions
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: should affect their actions. You're not offering a partner, so
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: you're getting men who aren't interested in one What a shock.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But it seems to be that you're you're you're you're
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: deflecting blame onto men. So what what are the things
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that she's blamed so far, men, feminism, not her responsibility
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: for assuming it. And uh, she's blamed her alleged obliviousness,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: which which really is a it's actually a backhanded compliment, Brian,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: because she's so much in her books, she just doesn't
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: she just doesn't understand the emotions of the lesser apes.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You know that that's the backhanded compliment that she's given
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: herself in that and uh and uh now now once
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: again blaming men. All right, let's let's see. Let's see.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: This is my prediction. I could be completely wrong. There
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: will be no true accountability to be found in this article.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is a woman that wrote it, So
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm just saying I trill. I'm trilling that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted the trilling thing. Okay, do you honest? This
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: woman did not use trilling because she wanted to talk
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: about Italian men rolling their rs. She used trilling.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Because I read that sentence again so that we're all
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: on the same page.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Colloquially, it had a way of shaming men.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read this this section
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: so you guys get the context of her usage of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: this word. Okay, I read Nietzsche her fun, and my
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: bedside table was always buckled beneath the weight of substantial,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: intellectually challenging books. At first, men loved my wit and intelligence.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You're such a breash of breath air, a breath of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: fresh air. I love talking to you. You're the first
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: woman I've met who stimulates me. They trill.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, she's using the word wrong. Guys. She's not saying
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: these guys are rolling their ours. She's saying that they're
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: pronouncing these entire sentences in a trilling manner. Right, what
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: does that mean? It means tremulous and fluttery, which which
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: is an insult to their masculinity. She's using her feminine
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: prerogative to shame men for not being man enough. To
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: shame these men for not being man enough. That is
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the context we can start looking at. Well, technically, trilling
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: means rolling their art. That's not how she's using it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: She's using it wrong, and that's what we're commenting on.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And men don't trill. They trill, yes, they can roll
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: their rs, they don't trill the way this woman is
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: using the word.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now that we're finally past that while I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: pretended to enjoy it, I felt uncomfortable about sex, so
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: early on I felt empty and used. My generation of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: women were encouraged to have sex like a man, in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: other words, have casual sex. But if backfired fast forward
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to now, the idea that women are different from men
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and that casual sex can be harmful to us is
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: gaining traction. First of all, you still chose to do
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that even if it didn't make you comfortable, So why
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: did you do it? And you're secondly, you're still passing
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the buck because you're saying we were encouraged to have
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: sex like a man. So basically, you don't have accountability
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: when you're a feminist because everything is the fault of patriarchy.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And now that you've looked back on your life and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you realize you have regrets, you still don't have accountability.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: And now feminism is to blame for your mistakes, Like
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: when when do you say I was stupid and I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: should not have done that? Full stop.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I wonder if she's gonna go with Patriarchy is
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: still to blame because I tried to be a man
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: by the patriarchal definition and I found it dehumanizing herp
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a dirt patriarchy hurts men too.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that's I'm just saying.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's where I don't no spoilers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's a possibility. I'm not sure. Maybe
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: she isn't that ideologically flexible. She's not going for the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Oppression Olympics gold medal and oppression Olympics Olympics. But again,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I hope by my prediction that there will no accountability
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: will truly be taken on this day in this article.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right. In her latest book, A
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: New Guide to Sex in the twenty first Century, the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: young adult adaptation, Louise Perry explores how the sexual revolution
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: impacted women negatively and led to unwanted consequences. So that, okay,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Louise Perry's been like a very vocal anti
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: sexual liberation or second wave femine. I wouldn't say second
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: wave feminist, because she is a feminist, but she's she's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: basically like playing catch up on everything that's happened. And again,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: this is like unwanted consequences. Like I'm not sure if
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: they were unwanted sexual Revolution. I think I think that
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: maybe the people who participated didn't know like how I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: was going to pan out for them. But I feel
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: like the destruction that's come from all of this stuff,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: feminism especially, was intentional, and I think that's why they
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: always double down on it, because they want to keep
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: pushing it through.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, and.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, John, let me see in the special chat John Johnny,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: nobody knows. Doe says, is it like a man or
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: like a salute? Why is it like a man? It
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: isn't It isn't like a man.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: That's what she's claiming. I think he's just sort of rare.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: He's claiming that this is the way men are. But
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it's based on the feminist interpretation of how men are,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: which is why I said earlier, Well, what kind of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: man does you know? Betty free Dan meant what kind
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of man is she talking about when she says have
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: sex like a man or be like a man? It's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: not like a normal man. It's like their version of
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: what a man is. It's like their version of masculinity.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: What do they think masculinity is? Look at look at
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: look at the way they presented in our media. It's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: like guys crushing beer cans on their foreheads, and like,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you know, raping women in public. It's you know, being
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: really violent for no reason. Exactly how they view masculinity.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they literally it's in their theory. Is they
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: say that men use rape and domestic violence to uphold patriarchy. Yes,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that's not just not just an ignored action, it is
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: a supported it is a celebrated action, not particularly anywhere.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But we're just gonna we're just gonna go with that
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: because theories matter more than conjecture, matters more than reality.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: We don't have to actually look at our conjecture and say, hey,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: does this map to reality? Not one we're dealing with
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: feminist science maps to feminism, don't you know.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got a super chow I should
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: read out that's been here for a little while. Richard
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Bierre gives us five dollars and says, there is that
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: one TikTok video that I think Emily W. King responded
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to where the woman got her husband to agree to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: take care of sweeping the floor. He bought a rumba
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and she was complaining about him doing that instead of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: him sweeping manually with a broom and dustban Evidently she
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: had a fetish that he didn't indulge. I recall another
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: story about a certain feminist who died alone in her
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: apartment after a network of women who were helping to
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: look after her in her schizophrenia dissolved after her psychiatrist
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: moved away. Then he issued an addendum the feminist may have
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: started the death in her apartment because her condition was
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: so severe that she was terrified to go outside of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: her apartment even to obtain food, so her food may
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: have run out and the network of women looking after
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: her welfare had fizzled out after the psychiatrist moved away.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Some sisterhood. Yikes, that is a level of paranoia that
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I I don't I just don't think that's healthy. No,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I've just fall in here. I'm just gonna put it
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: out there. You guys take it or leave it. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: don't think that's healthy to be that paranoid. I know.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, though I've been. I've been having fun
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: with grok because I get Grok to do a meta
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: analyses of the people who come at me, like I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: did this post, which was basically a meme. It was
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: the It was the dommy mommy meme, and the dommy
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: mommy says, uh, there shouldn't be any victim blaming, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: then her her her downtrodden, overworked sub says what about
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: men who commit suicide? And uh, and and she says,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: it's their fault because of the patriarchy. And I put
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: this meme out, and I've had a whole bunch of
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: feminists swan in to tell me how actually it is
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: their fault. It is men's fault because of patriarchy. And
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: so I did get GROC to do meta analyzes on
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: their Twitter content. And there is a lot of paranoia
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: right now. These women are probably mostly functional, but I
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: could see how that level of paranoia and over inflation
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: of men's agency and bad intent towards women could tip
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: someone over who with a pre existing mental disorder, tip
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: someone over into this kind of extreme and self destructive isolationism.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: It is like they are really fucked up people. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: another thing that I got did is I would get
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: GROC to visualize they how they diminish men or women's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: consequential agency relative to men. So what that means is
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the consequences of your actions and how meaningful they are
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: in the greater world and how they diminish that relative
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to men. And Rock would use these visual metaphors like
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: men are atlass striding upon the earth, throwing lightning bolts
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: at his command, bringing up earthquakes. In these women's psychology,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: that's men. And they are tiny, tiny figures hiding in
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the shadows, always fearful, minuscule in comparison. And another comparison
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: he used was they're like one of those little fishes
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that attached to a shark, which that they can't really
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: they can't really swim very far on their own, so
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: they're completely dependent on the movement of the shark and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: they have complete incapability that level of helplessness. They're constantly
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: breeding in each other and reaffirming in each other, and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I can totally see that with a with a confound
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: of a mental health issue turning into a negative spiral
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that led to this woman's death through isolation. Like that's it,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: it is. These people are fucking sick. They and they
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: and like I've been outsourcing arguing with them with groc
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: because I know that there's no point to it because
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: they're just everything. They regard as a threat to self,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: They regard any kind of criticism of their religion, of
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: their cult as a threat to themselves personally. So that's
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: why I was trying to get GROC to do these
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: visual metaphors so maybe jar them into thinking what they're
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: doing to themselves. But you know, all I do is
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: get blocked.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, Okay, all right, so thanks, thank you for
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the super chow Richard. Okay, back to the article. So
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: she argues the casual sex stating apps, pornography, and the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: normal of sexual kinks.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: What it was a remorra that the GROC said that
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: feminists see women as remorras. They're just they just attached
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: to a host, and they just they have no agency
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: of their own. They just go wherever the host, they do,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: whatever the host does. They live off of the host.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: That's it. So feminism turns women into remorras. And the
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: other thing, the other good one was feminism turns women
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: into footnotes, historical footnotes, like compared to men. And then
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the other one is in relation to Afghanistan. Grok was
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: also like, yes, this is like an internal burka, a decision,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: not an external decision to restrict your agency, but an
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: internal one to embrace learned how blesseness so it's like, okay,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, and the thing is that once there's like,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: once you have somebody who spent their entire or good
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: portion of their lives refusing to use their legs, how
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: do you rehabilitate them, especially when they say stupid shit
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: like using my legs is patriarchy, it's patriarchal enablement. I'm like, yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: where do I even start with you? Like your legs
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: are shriveled toothpicks now because of your chosen bullshit, Like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: where do you even start? Okay, let's keep going. Let's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: start by continuing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, she argues that casual sex, dating apps and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: pornography and the normalization of sexual kinks are putting women
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: at risk. Although contraception has reduced the chances of pregnancy,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: she points to the risk of contracting diseases or being
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a victim of violence. In a culture where premarital sex
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: is the norm.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Don't do it, it's not enforced.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, but I mean, women are not the only
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: ones at risk. Also, everything is like risking women to
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you know that women are are at risk of violence
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and being victims and catching diseases and being used sexually
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and so on. But it's also true of men, like
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it just has to be you know, so.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like this is ridiculous. This is like, yes,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: men are just is at risk, although for some reason
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: men have managed to not have the level of STDs
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that women have in today's age. But also this, there's
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: no compulsion there, but there's no expect You don't have
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to be promiscuous, Like, lady, you don't have to you
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: just don't, Like this is not a necessity. Nobody's expecting
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: you to do this to pay the bills. Just get it,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you know, like unless you're you know, a prostitute. But
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that's a different can of worms, Like you don't have
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: the presumption here is that women have to be promiscuous.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Who's no, no, you don't. And if your friends are
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: enforcing this, get new friends. This is this is a
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: non issue.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Why, like what how is it?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: The feminist can say, well, the pressure for women to
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: be promiscuous is a women's rights issue, but conscription, that's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: just patriarchy backfiring, Like I know how they can do
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this the same reason how a feminist with schizophrenia can
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: end up in a helplessness spiral that leads to her
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: never leaving her house or any other mental illness, depression,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: anxiety in combination with feminist the feminist helplessness death spiral.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: And this is just more of it.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, okay Uh she believes that society. Yeah. And
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: also again like she's argues a casual sex dating apps pornography.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I was gonna mention about pornography. She's specifically, I know
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: because I've seen Lewis Perry talk about this stuff. She
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: only talked about the pornography that men consume and how
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: it affects men. But maybe she should look at what
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: women are reading. I'm just saying, we talked about it
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: on the show, but it might be a good idea
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: because people are waking up to the female gooner epidemic
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and like the what the potential social consequences or cultural
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: consequences are for that. And I think that we can't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: have a conversation about pornography if we're not looking at
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the pornography that women consume, because it's it's it's not
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: going to work out, like you can ban all if
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you somehow managed to ban all the porn for men somehow,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: which I don't think is possible. But if you managed
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to do it, you would only create a lopsided problem
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: because now women will still have access. And it will
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: if even if all the data about porn is true
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that you know what the like, the negative consequences, the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: negative side effects of porn consumption, even if those are true,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: let's say, and I'm not saying they are not. I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: just think that the that we should do some studies
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm open to that. But even if it is true,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: then yeah, especially that more so than than ever, we
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: should be looking at was how it's affecting women. Yeah,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: we're not. We don't even consider what they do, like
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that that's what they consume portographic It's like you can
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: get it at you know, the drug store Walmart and
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: get it at Walmart.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: So if if, even if we address men's what do
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: they call it, porn sickness or you know, and the
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: porn men refusing to have relations Yeah, porn addiction. Relating
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: the men refusing to have relationships. Yeah, you don't address
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: women's porn addiction. And women are also going to continue
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: to refuse to have relationships unless men is an eight
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: foot tall.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Cowman with a gigantic mythical beast. Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some kind of mythical beast, you know, like impossible hill. Yeah,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: a swan, you know, that's that's what I'm holding out for.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: My hypergamy will only be satisfied by Zeus in the
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: form of a swan. Yeah, that's gonna be a problem.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: That's gonna still stop people from forming families. And yeah,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: it's it's often.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking of female female porn books basically.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me put it this way. It
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: is often, it is often conservatives that have this dichotomy,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: and they need to heal it. They need to recognize
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: it and deal with it. That porn for men is
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: bad and porn for women just doesn't exist, isn't even
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: on their radar. Well, put it on your radar, Okay.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Anyway, she believes a society would benefit
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: from returning to traditional values about sex. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I am not advocating a return to the nineteen fifties,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: when women were on the shelf by thirty and getting
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a suitable husband was their golden life. But I wonder
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: if by refusing to show any chinks in my intellectual armor,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I'm the one who is losing out.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: How are you go to get laid without a husband
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: and getting rid of promiscuity. Like maybe they wanted to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: get a husband because they wanted to have sex, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: that is how you have sex with a husband in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: a society that does not encourage promiscuity. Like think about it, Like,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: if a teenage boy could only have sex when he's married,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he also want to be off the shelf by
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: the time he hits thirty? Why do you think teenage
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: girls are any different. They want to get laid too,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: And if marriage is the only way you get laid,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: then there'll be a lot of pressure to take get
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: off the shelf by the time you're thirty. You know,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: get off, get off the shell, Get off the shelf.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: While your sexuality is really high. In fact, you don't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: even need to appeal to shaming or you know, spinsters.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: The fact that a society says to a young hormonal girl,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: you cannot enjoy your sexual instincts unless you're married, that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: itself is gonna put way more pressure on her to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: get married than anything else. Okay, Like the aunt is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: only putting pressure on her to express herself in a relationship. Okay,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: that's the pressure not to want to have sex. I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: hate to tell you feminists, but horny teenage girls want
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: to have sex, and if society tells them you can
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: only have sex in a marriage, that is going to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: put the pressure on them to get married. All right,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: They're gonna want to get married because they want to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: fuck because they are horny young bisexual. But bye bye bisexual.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I mean two sexes that come together to reproduce mammals.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: There you go. And the the cultural pressure on that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: isn't to create the desire to get off the shelf.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: It's to create the desire to get off the shelf
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: in a way that doesn't damage yourself and doesn't damage
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: others and doesn't damage society. Aka, don't don't, don't, don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: have sex outside of marriage. I mean, what the hell
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: is this? Like, Oh my god, it's so much pressure
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: on teenage girls to do to do what they have
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: to get laid. Yeah, no shit, it's called biology. Yep,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: good grief, Okay, all right, I gotta.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I gotta. I guess. It's like a membership comment from ZARANX.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it comes up as a spore. He's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a spore, I guess. And he says Luise Perry comes
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: off like Phyllis Schlaffley and Christina hoff Summers. That would
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: make her more of a second wave feminist, if she's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: to be categorized. Well, yeah, I know, I remember we
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: we didn't finish it, but we were watching that debate
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: on Diary of a CEO a while back, and it
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: was about whether or not, like you know, feminism is
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: anti male or something like that, and they and it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: turned into a discussion about abandoning feminism. Of course, no
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: one on the panel is, including the man who's you know,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: whose channel it is Diary of a CEO himself. None
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: of them were against feminism like they were all they were,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you know, well one of them was like a diehard
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: like you know, all the way progressive feminist. But the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: other women who were more critical were still okay with
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: you know, second wave femanism or whatever, or even like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: third wave like the nineties there a nineties resurgence. They
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: didn't want to give any of that up because they
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: were too I think that they're afraid. I think that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: they fear men still, and I think that to completely
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: back away from that ideology for them puts them at
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a risk of you know, losing their rights or something,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: which is just like again it's it's like, uh, it's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: it's mythological, like that's not gonna happen, you know. And
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah, Louise Perry was on that panel. She was
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: one of the women on there. There were there was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I don't remember everybody, but I know Louise Perry was
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: one of them. So it was a diary of a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: CEO and uh, and there's a great video actually I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: think it was. I know that Janie Fiammengo was one
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: of them, but there are a few other MRAs that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: responded to that video. And Janet's had a nice rant
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: at the end where you know, she was basically doing
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the whole I'm you know, all of it's got to go,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: like basically like there's no there's no good wave that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: we need to preserve women are not in danger of losing.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Like the assumption that if we got rid of feminism
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: tomorrow that women would immediately be put into like the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: slave camps. It's based on a fear and hatred of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: men that they would just do that. They could do
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that now if men wanted to, they could do it now,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: but they won't do it. So like why do they
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: what are they afraid of? Why do they think this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: like illusion of like rights and freedoms and liberation that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: they have. They get to say, well, I have feminism,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: so I'm safe right now. That's like saying, you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: like remember when you played tag and there was like
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: a place called we called it glue where you can
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: go there and they can't tag you because you're on glue.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Like that's what. That's a complete illusion, But that's what
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: they do. And it's like, so for you to even
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: assume that feminism is the only defense against male oppression,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: which is it, Like that is absolutely delusional and absurd
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: because you don't actually have it, Like it only exists
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: because men protect you because they're.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: What yeah, and that well, the thing is that this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: only exists because of inherent male benevolence. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I would say, I would argue that men can't really
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: change this because women have this prerogative to define the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: moral weight of men's actions. And so essentially what happens
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: if women define more men's actions is wrong. Other men
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: will then punish them because of altruistic punishment. So, but
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: the problem is that feminism in the feminist framework they
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: say men have all of this power, and they say
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: they have all of this ill intent towards women. And
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: in that feminist framework, feminism doesn't work. No, right, it doesn't.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: That your location of this is glue. Therefore, I'm safe
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't work unless men are agreeing to the rules that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: you're setting. And if men are agreeing to the rules
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that you're setting, that means that they're ultimately benevolent, which
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: means your accusations of ill intent are false. So, like
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I said, I think that there is much The dynamic
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: between the genders is much more complex because of evolutionary
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and reproductive pressures placed on men to ensure that their
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: actions maintain women's benefit. But in the simplistic feminist framework,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: feminism is useless. If feminism's premises are correct. Yeah, okay,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: all right, let's all right. Are are we close to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: the end?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? This is almost over and one.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Freaking actual So far, I haven't seen the one thing
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I've been looking for, which is actually taking responsibility.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, all right, let's see. So, Jess, I'm not
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: advocating to return to the fifties. I was gonna say
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: about this. This nineteen fifties, The Specter of the nineteen
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: fifties that they keep bringing up. And I know we've
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: already debunked the nineteen fifties, but like, are are they
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: going to be bringing up the nineteen fifties in the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: year like twenty thirty or twenty forty? Are we still
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about the nineteen fifties? Like how
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: far away from that era do we have to get
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: before feminists can no longer use it as like a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: woozle to scare people, even though it's there, it's all
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: a lie anyway, But like, how far away do we
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: have to get? Like what about in one hundred years,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: are we still going to be referencing the nineteen fifties.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're rebably not gonna be here in one
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: hundred years, to be honest, but we'll see. I don't
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: know anyway, just something to think about.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It remains comes to the eighties. You notice that now
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: it's going into the nineties now, because it's always usually
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: a generation before the great suffering, the great women's the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: great era of women's suffering is always about a generation
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: before the current day. I actually said that in the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: late in the early naughties, like in the early two thousands.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: I pointed out that the great generation of women's suffering
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: is always the great era of women's suffering is always
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: a generation before the current era, because at that point
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: in time it was moving from like the the fifties
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: and sixties into the seventies and eighties, and now it's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: moving into the nineties. And yeah, it's always like about
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: a generation before the current the current era. And but
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: what also of the fifties. For some reason, the fifties
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: are always always singled out as some horrible era of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: women's oppression, which is interesting because that was the about
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: the era that Hollywood removed women's traditional role as a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: home instead and replaced it to be your consumer, so
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: which which led to women's the greatest reduction in women's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: in women's labor in human history, go from six days
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a week, twelves hours a day to three days, three
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: three hours a day, five days a week. That was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: the reduction in women's labor. Guys, that happened in the fifties.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: And yet the fifties remains like the the the ultimate
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: vortex of anti women sentiment. Even though that society literally
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: that literally like it didn't it gave women an entire
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: extra lifetime of leisure to enjoy. That's what the fifties
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: society did, and women are never going to forgive men
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: for it. So I'm guessing that it will always be
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: it will always be the specter because of what happened,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: what men did in the fifties. Yeah, what men did,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and what men did was he They took women's role
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: from a massive job of twelve hours a day, six
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: days a week, and they gave them so much free time.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: How dare those patriarchal oppressors?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: How dare they?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: We will never forgive, never forget, never forgive, never forget
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: ladies never. It's the problem with no name, they can
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I'm bored because I can't entertain myself.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got a rumble ran from Novah
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Pan twenty one, who says for a dollar, Notice how
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they never denied the success of the nineteen fifties. They
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: hate it, but they'll never fix it because they know
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties work on women. Oh they like as
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: a narrative. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Like they're
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: going to be bringing this up for years and years,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: no matter how far away we move from what moved
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: from there. It will always be like this, this specter,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: this shadow that haunts women because it could it could
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: come back at any minute. That's why they always say,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to that. Like you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: weren't even alive then, how do you know, Like.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: You had all the same rights you have today, except socially,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: you were in a situation where you mostly didn't have
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: to do anything. Yep, I mean you even had at
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: that point in time, they even had widespread schooling.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Well except for emotional labor.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously I do that, Yeah, a little bit emotional labor,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: but you.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Know, aside from that, the worst kind of labor. Apparently.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Whilst I will never be a giggly man pleaser and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: have no intention of playing second fiddle to a man,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: the confidence signals I've been giving out all these years
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: were at odds with what's going on in.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: And also you're you're done, like you just lost you
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: just got off the last train out of Crownsville, your tongue.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: It doesn't freaking matter what you are going to do,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: because you're probably not going to get another partner. I mean,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: you're at the point where you actually have to This
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: is really what's happened. This is the wall for this woman.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: And I know this sounds strange. The wall for this
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: woman is when her body is in such a state
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: of decrepitude that she can't even offer it, like men
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: aren't even that. Men are at an age where they
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: don't even they're not even as driven. They're not driven
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: enough by sexuality to want to be around her, even
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: to have access to her dusty bat cave. Or they're
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: just like nope, I'm you know, like that whole joke
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: where the old guys and the in the home and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: he gets visited by as a prostitute, you know his
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: and and she uh, and she says to him, and
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: she's all decked out, you know, boobs all seven ways
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: to Sun with Sunday and and she goes over to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: him and she says, are you ready for some super sex?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Super sex? And he says, I'll take the soup. That's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's your problem there, lady. You're now in
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: an age group where the men would rather have the soup,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: which means your body is worth nothing. It's not just
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: that you're physically decrepit. You're an old woman now you're
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: also you're also swimming in the pool of old men,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: and they are there is driven by your what the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: one thing you have on offer, because every something else
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: is corrosive, Like you're a corrosive human being. So yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I imagine that you you you're that last boyfriend was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: your last train out of Cronesville, and there ain't gonna
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: be another one because the goods you have on offer
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: men don't want anymore. They're too old. And maybe maybe
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe an insult you could you could fish in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: those waters, perhaps, but you're not going to because you're hypergament.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Likely even requires that your boyfriend brings something to the table.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, yep, okay, all.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Right, last paragraph. Well, yeah, huh. I have learned to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: step back and let things go and have realized that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: things mustn't always veer towards the satisfaction of the self.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I am struck by how easy. Yeah, that is revelation.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: At sixty three. I came to the realization that it's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: not about me.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I came to the realization that a relationship has two
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: people and it not just me.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Sixty three. I don't honestly, at this point, I don't
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: think it was feminism that that that's that screwed this woman. No,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: this is this is some new level. This is some
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: new level salopism. Sorry, solypism, sollpism. You see, my dyslex
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: is real, real word.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: That's actually appropriate in this in this context. Oh was
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: that shade a little bit her for using trill? Like?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: God?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Well, but but but it could also be shade at me.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Admittedly, No, I think solism is just fitting. I wasn't
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: drying through shade you.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: No, my inability to pronounce things and use words.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: In weird Oh yeah, I guess. No, No, I think yeah,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking that, but yeah, okay, all right. Anyway,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: So I am struck by how by uh well, yeah, no,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have learned a step back and let
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: things go, and have realized that things mustn't always veer
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: towards the satisfaction of the self. I'm struck by how
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: easy and peaceful it feels to let my date slash
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: boyfriends take the lead. It is not a case of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: It is not a case of dumbing down or morphing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: into a woman. She's still can I finish the pa?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Just okay? Her overwhelming entitlement just slap me in the face.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all right.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I am struck by how easy and peaceful it feels
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: to let my date slash boyfriends take the lead. It
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: is not a case of dumbing down or morphing into
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: a Stepford woman, but simply dialing down a bit of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: me and letting them shine. F Yi, my diaries wide open.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Go on, I did magnificent of you.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: As long as long as you're still doing what I want,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I'll let you lead, and I won't I won't blow
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: my light up so that you end up being washed
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: out in comparison. Good grief. This woman is a massive egotist.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: She is She is a gigantic egotist. This isn't This
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: isn't a freaking This isn't the story of a sixty
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: three year old woman. This is a sixty three year
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: old narcissist. He realizes her wrinkly butt can't get her
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: attention anymore, and she has to offer Oo's come to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: the realization at the age of sixty three that a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: relationship involves more than just herself. Mind blown, mind blown,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I'll never recover.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, look, I I genuinely am sad
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: for her in that because regardless of like her her
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: personality issues. Well, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: But like the man that she did not end up
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: with will probably recover and they'll be fine. But I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's I don't want
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: anyone to die alone, but I think she will. So
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: that's where my my sympathy.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone ultimately dies alone. It's just what who you end
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: up with before that point, all right.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Like the I mean, like she's gonna be surrounded by
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: like nobody. She knows. It's gonna be some like you know,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: annoyed employee at a nursing home or something as opposed
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: to like like family and friends and children. So and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean that's I mean, yes, she brought
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: on herself, but she needs she needed to see meaning.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And this is what this article is. Actually an opportunity
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: for her to share some wisdom and advice to the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: younger generation of women, to tell them, don't do what
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: I did. But that's not in this She's not even saying,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: here's an opportunity for me to like stave someone else
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: who might be like going down the same road that
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I went down, so I can tell them, don't do that,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: but instead she's like, Oh, I'm just taking it easy now.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll let guys take the lead sometimes. But
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: she's not gonna she's not gonna have dates, like they're
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: gonna dry up really quick if they haven't already, and not.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Everything after at this point is just cope. It's just cope.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just cope. And I I don't I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: don't know if I am sorry for her, because I'm
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: not sure if she really understands the concept of a relationship.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: So she's not missing out on anything because she's incapable
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: of having one. Brian, like, she's this this woman is
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: absolutely foxed by her mentality. Like, so, I don't even
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: know what to say. Is it sad that she's going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: to die alone? She's a massive narcissist. What though it's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: going to happen. Is she's going to die while imposing
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: incredible demands on her character the last people are paid
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: to care give her and making herself an absolute awful person.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I actually feel more. I feel more
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: sorry for her ultimate hospice nurses and orderlies than I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: do her because when when she is right at the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: edge and she realizes that she doesn't continue into internity. Yeah,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: there's nothing left for the narcissist to hang on to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: except vitriol and nastiness and jealousy of everybody who's going
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: to live past her, which she will be. She will
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: be in the presence of She will be in the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: presence of people who do not care about her, have
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with her legacy, and she will have
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: to live with the fact that they are going to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: live past her as a narcissist, a narcissist who thinks
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: that they're the end all and be all of the universe,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: there's that that's going to be. Like I've actually read
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: some of the testimony from nurses hospice nurses not hospice
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: is correct, who talk about having to deal with narcissistic
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: patients at their end of life. There's no awakening to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: the beauty of existence. There's just the increasingly atavistic scramble
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: for more life by torturing those who you know will
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: have will eventually live on beyond you. It's like just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: it's like a it's it's like a drowning person scrabbling
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: on to somebody else. So, yeah, or she could have
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: learned in her twenties that relationships and will involved more
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: than just her, but she didn't. So here we are, Yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: okay do we do?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I have that. I have that one video we never covered.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I sent it to you.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Not a video, the princess video, not.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: The Prince well, yes, the Princess treatment video. We could
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: look at that. You gotta do the super child I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: will get this video.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I gotta I got a super chat. I don't have
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: anything super childs or anything like that. So Zaran gives
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: us five dollars super chat and says, I love that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: the fear of returning to the nineteen fifties overshadows the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: flappers of the nineteen twenties, the era one can reasonably
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: assume is responsible for mini skirts. Yeah, but if men
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: enjoy miniskirts, therefore they're bad. That's true. They could go there,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: but like the fifties, is something that Hollywood took advantage of.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: So I think that's the reason. Remember feminists always they
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: always make reference to cultural things like shows and movies
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: and music in order to make their arguments, and of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: course those things are made by other feminists, or at
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: least people who are sympathetic to the women's movement. So
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: it works because they get to point to it and say,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: look at this thing that totally happened that I saw
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: on TV. And then you know, the movies are like,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: this totally happened, and we're making a representation of it,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: and now you have to reckon with that. And it's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: really it's everywhere, So it's not like you have counterexamples.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: The Flappers was probably a little bit too old. Maybe
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: there were things written about it, but it's not quite
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: as solid, and maybe it even is a little too
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: far away. But the fifties feels close because you know,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: we still dress similar like some people dress retro and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of media that you can make
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: reference to. So that's what I think anyway.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: All Right, so I sent you a link. Yeah, it's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: a link through your your dam What is this? Yeah,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: it's called what the gender Gap is really about? So
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: they're referring to the gender gap in goals between men.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Do you want to give it a go or is it?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me just open it up.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: We can see how much we can get into it
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, it's still downloading, so oh you can't
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: play it in the Okay?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I had to download it first because it's not a link.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: You sent me a file, right, Oh.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I guess so. Yeah, I mean I can
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: play it in discord, but I guess it.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: No, that doesn't make sense. Okay, so let me just
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: hold on a second. All right, let's see if this
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: plays audio?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: What the gender?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah it does, Okay.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Our gap among young people is actually about.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Are you getting an echo at all?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: No? Are you nope?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: Nope, just Paul good Katie jg LN. One thing that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: was made clear last year dubbed a super year for elections,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: is that the ideological gap between women and men, especially
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: among the younger generation, is widening. In the EU, twenty
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: one percent of general z men aged eighteen to twenty
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: express support for far right parties.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Far right, Yeah, far right.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: You mean slightly right of center, that's.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Far right when you're really really really far left though.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I've seen these diagrams. Okay, So men
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: and women are sort of going equal along the line right,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: and then what was it ten years ago, after me
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: too or something, women start going like the zoom to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: the left, just boom, and men sort of go a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: little bit right. And but women are like let me
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: see where I'm at here. What I got to look
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: at myself so I can see if you guys are seeing. Okay, right,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: women are this far left and men have gone this
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: far right. That's it. And actually women are like so
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: far left, they're completely off the screen. They're they're so
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: far left, they've lapped the entire political compass and now
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: have their heads up their own asses. And men have
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: gone slightly right if that or just stayed center. Yeah,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: but that's men going far right. Well, of course, because
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: if you're if you're a woman, right, you know, and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: you start out here a man, this is a woman, right,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: this is a man, and you're sort of in the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: same area of the political compass, and then you start
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: sprinting off to the left from your vantage point, you
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: knowp this is relativity. From your vantage point, the man
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: appears to be moving at phenomenal speed towards the right
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: because you're you're going like this right, and you are
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: based on your vantage point. If you measure their velocity,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: the men's velocity, obviously they're going to the right, and
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: they're going at fantastic speed because you're sprinting away to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: the left. Okay, all right, more Yeah, and.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: Of their female peers, a divide that has increased sharply
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: since twenty twenty, driven largely by young men's shift the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: right presidential election.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I feel like, I know, I feel like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: this this cancer is it is. You don't even I
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm I'm imposing upon you, Brian, this character.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, it's not that, it's just.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: The cancer itself.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: Most young women fifty eight percent voted for the Democratic
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: candidate Kamala Harris, and most young men fifty six percent
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: back to her Republican opponent, incumbent President Donald Trump. Similar
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: trends can also be observed in the UK, South Korea, China,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: and Tunisia, while young women overwhelmingly lean liberal or left,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: making them arguably the most progressive generation in history.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so at least all the progressive.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Therefore, it's good because of the word progressive means good.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: So they're the most good people, the most good demographic
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: of women in history, the best women.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: The party is single, the Party of single women. Friends,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: this is the party of single women. As soon as
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: the critical mass of single women informed, they constructed these
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: self reinforcing tar pits. The drag drags them down into
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: a miasma of misery and failed promises to themselves and others,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: and also drags society down into the tar pit.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, yep, young men are increasingly gravitating in the opposite direction.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: Considering that young people tend to be both more liberal
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: and more idea logically aligned, this is quite unprecedented, and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: even more so since today's gender divide isn't just confined
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: to voting booths either.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, and that's because get this, the Democratic Party
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: right it declared war on men and masculinity. It literally
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: regards them as being the scourge that they are going
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: to purge from society. I don't know about you. I mean,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: it's like I was like reading this article from The Atlantic,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: I think it was The Atlantic, and they were talking
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: about how during Trump's first term he was much more
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: willing to cooperate and concede ground during the government's shutdown,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: and now he's wielding it like a weapon against his
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: political opponents. And you know, wherever you stand on this issue,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I was reading this and I was thinking, yes, because
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: you have launched a law a horrendous law fair campaign
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: against the man and he no longer extends good faith
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: to your side. What did you expect? These are the
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: consequences of your actions. That entire group of people that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: have that particular viewpoint that apparently, apparently the definition of
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is that men in masculinity are satan
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: and need to be removed from society and therefore and
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: then it will become better when look at their freaking rhetoric.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Look at what they even say about themselves, and how
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: the future is female and how embracing women's ways of
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: knowing is going to create a better world. Like this
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: is from them, Okay, they've launched this war, so they
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: are the party of anti men, and when men are like,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't really want to be part of
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: the party of, you know, hating men and being not
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: being trying to destroy men. Now, I don't want to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: be the party of trying to destroy masculinity. I'd rather not,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: They're like, why, what horrible demonic force is causing young
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: men to turn away from our party with its noble
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: aspirations to destroy men in masculinity?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Like that's the same thing. They just don't understand the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: consequences of their own actions. What a surprise from a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: party that is comprised mostly of single women, like that's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: their power base. Good lord, Okay, you know, actually one
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: thing before we continue, you could probably increase the speed
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: get through it faster.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Option. Oh yeah, here it.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Is there, we go go for like point five actually.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Point one point two five, right or one point five
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: point five?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Probably will we probably will if if it's incoherent, we
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: can reduce the speed. Now listen to her trill.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: All right, I'm born on the cusp of millennials and
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: gen z. I can't experience suggest one point. The gender
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: gap is a mere statistical mirage. Women my age usually
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: share my political beliefs, at least to an extent. With men. Well,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: it's more of a gamble, and it's only my male
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: acquaintances I've watched slide into the alt right or red
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: pill pipeline in recent years.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Wait, the male acquaintances, So you know men that have
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: slipped into the alt right or red pill pipeline. Are
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: you to define those things? Like what does that mean?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: And how are they? Are they still your acquaintances? Can
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: you be in the room with them without getting kidnapped
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: or enslaved? Like I mean, like.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Literally, like alt right for a man is not doing
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: whatever a man, a woman, specifically a woman from the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: party of single women does in that moment, the lady, no,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: you don't. You don't get that influence over men. You
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: have to actually be married one to have that level
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: of influence. That's that's the cost, that's the toll you
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: have to pay. Yeah, you you party a single ladies
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: you yeah, you can be fine, you could be single,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: but you don't get influence over men.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Right of course, Yeah, of course, all right, that's.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. What she's saying is that her
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: male acquaintances who refuse to count out to her politically
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: have become evil.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. They're slipping into evil.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Right, they're slipping into evil.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Losing them to the to the evil, to the to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: the evil force, to the dark side.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: Course, this isn't everyone everywhere, but the trend is unmistakably there,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: and it extends to cultural issues as well. More young
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: women than ever identify as feminists and agree that gender
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: discrimination against women remains a media issue.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what, you guys are discriminating against
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: yourselves more than anyone else. Like, literally, I have gone
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: through the Twitter profiles. I've had Grock compile and meta
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: analysis of the Twitter profiles of all the feminists who
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: swan at me, and every single one of them diminishes
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: women's effective agency relative to men. They have embraced a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: narrative learned helplessness. They are discriminating against their own sense
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: of self, like these women are. They're annihilating their own
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: sense of self, and then they're projecting it onto everyone else,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: just like that woman. Her fundamental the woman that we
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: just listened, we just read the article. Her fundamental error
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: is that she never realized that relationships involve two people, right,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: not just her needs. And one of those needs is
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: apparently to tea bag her partner in public. Okay, Like
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: she never realized that, well, relationship actually involves too, okay,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: And then she proceeded in her great enlightenment article, Oh
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: I've seen the light to blame everyone but herself. Okay,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: that is. But the problem is she has the primary
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: control over her life, and that is what she's refusing
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge. And that's what these women refuse to acknowledge.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: And this learned helplessness leaves them in a situation where
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: they don't have the tools to make anything of their lives.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: So and then they and then they turn around and well,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: my life is a master So I've made nothing of it.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: It's the patriarchy's fault. Bullshit, it's your fault. It's all
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: your faults. Okay, I blame women.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's uh yeah, let's keep.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: Going and oppose feminism, claiming it has gone too far.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: In South Korea, young men now insist that it's men,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: not women, facing more discrimination. A brand new poll from
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: the nineteenth and Survey Monkey, conducted with over twenty thousand
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: US adults, also found that young men are far more
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: likely than their female peers and even men in older generations,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: to agree that society would benefit from a return to
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: traditional gender roles. Women across the political spectrum disagree.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, but traditional banda roles according to the Party of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Single Women, because they're the Party of single Women, right,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: and they see everything in relation to their particular chosen lifestyles.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Traditional gender roles are simply being married and having children.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, even if it's a high powered boss
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: babe who trades stocks on Wall Street and comes home
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: to her house husband who takes care of their their
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: quadruplets have that they had through IVF therapy or whatever else,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: or surrogacy. Even that is a traditional relationship, according to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: the Part and Party of Single Women, because it involves
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: a woman and a man and their genetic issue their children.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, you interesting is that this article, like many, like
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: they all do, actually pretty much just assumes that the woman,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: the position of women is like I don't know, just
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: kind of let's say, uh, by default the good idea.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: It is just like inarguable, like this.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Is just what we're thinking.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: We just think this is so when they because like
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the article is gonna do this,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: but I'm I would think that if you're going to
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: start an article called what young people what the general
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: gap amongst young people is actually about, it's actually going
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: to ask like, if men are moving in this direction,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: there should be curiosity about why and a desire to
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: understand that position, like why would men go, why would
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: they feel this way? Why are they why are they
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: moving you know, in this direction? Why do they want
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: you know, traditional families? What is the like I want
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: to understand that position because we all have to live
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: on this same planet, and but they're not doing that
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: they're just like, well, women want this and men don't
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: seem to agree with it, Like that's it, Like men
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: don't want what I want, Like I want this and
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: men don't seem to want that, and I think that's
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: a problem. I feel like this isn't going to try
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: to understand the male position. It's probably just going to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: try to uh demonize and pathologize it. You know, yes,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: is it just going to be like, oh, they just
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: want to control women again. They're mad because we are
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: we're empowered. Now, we're bosses. Now they're mad. They want
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: to seize back their patriarchal oppression that that doesn't have
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: any like understanding or desire to understand the male position.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: You like it. That's again, I don't know if they
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: say it, so I'm not gonna bury the believe. I'm
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: just saying that's what it looks like spoilers.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: No, they don't, Okay, Okay, And you're absolutely one hundred
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: percent right. Everything is from the point of view the
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: frame of the party of single women. Okay, Yeah, that
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: is the frame. Everything is judged based on. That frame
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: makes it makes democrats make complete sense. When you understand that,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: you understand why these women. Women advocate for all of
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: their pet minorities because these are their infant classes, and
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: so don't I don't, And no, she never extends herself
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: to understand why men would do this. She only extends
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: herself to shame them. But again, like I said, yeah, fun,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: you can be part of the party of single women,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: but that means you no longer have influence over men,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: and men should not have to pay for your life
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: in any capacity, even if you have kids.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So like, for example, just looking out how
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: it's framed here it said she said earlier. Meanwhile, many
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: men oppose feminism, claiming it's gone too far, so they
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: just saying that they oppose it, and then they put
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: too far in quotes like it's just like this completely
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: unbelievable thing that how could they possibly suggest it. I
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: just said that women agree that it's a that gender
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: discrimination remains a major issue. So you start by saying,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: here's what the women believe, and it's obviously true. This
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: is what she's claiming. Women believe this. It's obviously true
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: because women believe it, and I am a woman, so
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: I believe it too. But men believe the opposite, which
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: can't be true, because like they're obviously not they're not women.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: How could they know? I know what I feel and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you don't know what I'm feeling. Right in Korea young
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: men now in is that it's men, not women, facing
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: more discrimination. So now she's taking it further and saying
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: this is even did you guys hear how crazy this is?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: There are men in South Korea making this claim. Now
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're actually making this claim because
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: I generally don't believe these people when they say this,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: because they say the same thing about us. They say, oh,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: MRAs think that men are the ones that are oppressed.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Never said that. I think that you know there are.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a completely different thing to say men
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: have issues and maybe like you know that some of
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: them should be like are in fact systemic right things
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: that we should change at the highest level. But they
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: will say instead, oh, no, you just think it's oppression.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: And the reason why they do it is because they
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: know it sounds absurd, and so they use it as
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: a way to like essentially dismiss our our beliefs or
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: our claims. And so when they knew this, but the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: South Korea thing they're doing the same thing they're saying.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Those South Korean guys, they think they're the ones that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: are oppressed. But they also claim that South Korea is
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: really traditional, so they're you know, I don't know, I don't.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Know if you care, No, I don't what you're saying everything
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: is according to nothing outside the single woman's mind and
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: nothing legitimate, nothing outside like nothing, there's nothing legitimate out
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: of her standard.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: But again, if you're going to be the single party
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: of single women, you don't get to have influence over men. Sorry,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: you don't get that, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: It's actually slightly larger among conservatives than liberals. Another new
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: study done by ipso's UK and the Global Institute for
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: Women Leadership at King's College, London, across thirty countries paints.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back to something here. It says
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: women across the political spectrum disagree, and interestingly, the gender
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: gap is actually large slightly larger amongst conservatives than liberals.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: So that means that the conservative conservative women are not
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: that conservative. I called it, of course, not like they're
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: almost all feminists, Like they're just like what era, that's all,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's the thing, Like the trad the trad con
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: women online they're all feminists like they're they're not actually
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: living trad you know, you know who is. So I
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: just as a little story, like last weekend, I was
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: invited by this family, this couple and their kids that
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: go somebody, they go to our church, and they wanted
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: to have Lindsay and I over. So we went. We
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: finally was able to bring Jojo and and have the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: time to go, and we went there and we had
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: some we had some barbecue and it was a good time.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: And what I realized is that they know about men's
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: rights content and they were they were really like what
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: they got. Because I didn't know we were going to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: talk about this stuff, okay, because I didn't want to
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: like really you know, get into like what I do.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: But it came up in a small conversation Lindsay had
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: with the wife I don't want to say their names,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: but the wife of the family. And though the wife
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: brought up documentary on men's issues, just like randomly, because
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: we weren't talking about what we do, I don't think
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: or or maybe she asked what I did, and Lindsay
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: said that Brian does a podcast, and the woman said, oh,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: are you talking about The Red Pill? And Lindsay was
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and they started conversation. She's like, oh, I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: love that movie. I love Cassie j et cetera. And
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: then like we once they knew that, like this is
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: what I do. And I know I knew Cassie j.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen her in a while and everything. It just
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: we all sat around ate food and talked about men's
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: rights and feminism the whole time. And they were completely
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: They weren't surprised by it, they weren't upset by it
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: or anything. They were all about it. They were totally
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: about it. And I was like, Okay, so this and
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: these people are I wouldn't even say that they're like
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: crad in the sense that you might expect, Like they're
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: just normal people and they just understand the issues and
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: they believe they agree with them. And there it's not
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: like did they even have any personal mistakes in it either.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: They don't have sons, they have daughters, but like you know,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: the wife and mother, she's like, well, you know, I
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: want my daughters to grow up not hating men, you know,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: and she and she was talking about how the women
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: around her that she grew up with you know, they're
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: still single and she's married with like two kids and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: you know. So so my point is is that the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: the the gap that they're measuring, uh is, I think
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: it's real. But I think that it's like the people
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: that we see online that call themselves like trad com women,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: they're just not like that woman is I think because
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: they're really doing it, you know, And I think a
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people at my church are like that, but
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: not like the people online, not the Tommy Lawns and
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: the you know, the Brett Cooper's and the candae owans. Is.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think that those those those are trad women
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: at all. And I think that they're they're just less
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: far left than the liberal women are, but that doesn't
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: mean that they're not still feminists of their own stripe.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I think it actually transcends this dichotomy.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to qualify this. I don't think there's
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of women who give a crap about men
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: on the left anymore. They would have to leave at
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: this point, and uh, I think Shoe might be one
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: of them, you know, But I think she's moving away
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: from being on the left. I think maybe, but that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean the women on the right really understand what
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: it is to conserve things and the necessity of conserving
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: a positive relationship between men and women. Yeah, and that
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: when they buy into the feminist framework, they're buying into
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: something that's socially corrosive, okay. And so there's there's no
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: guarantee that a conservative woman is going to get it
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: because she might be conservative for her own interests, you know.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the big, the big
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: conservative female commentators don't really have a genuine interest in
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: understanding what conservatism is. It means you don't pour acid
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: on your social institutions, and feminism is acid. And believing
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: that men oppressed women is acid, and not taking into
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: account the point of view of men is acid.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you don't look at everything that exists in
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: the world in terms of how you might benefit or
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: how you might lose out, because that's the the thing,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: like they don't do that. They're they understand that, like,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you're not here to get every get that bag.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: That's like that that's not that important, right, So that's
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: hard for people do, especially women. And that's what I'm saying,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: like most of when we talk about like what women
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: qualify as trat or not, what I'm really saying is
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: they're they're women first, so like the the feminism is
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: just like politicizing their nature and they can have an
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: effect on them that's outside of like even beyond that, right.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean I don't think I think that,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Like the reason why my my friends from church that
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: we went and hung out with were fine was because
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: they were secure with each other. And they don't. They're
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: not like the kind of people who have, like, you know,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of friends or a big network, like it's
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: just their family, you know, and then like they they
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a community and that's it.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: But they're they're okay with that. They're humble enough to
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't I don't need everyone to
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: know that I'm a genius or a writer or whatever, right,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I just have this and they're happy with that. So
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like an understanding that like what
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: you like, what is in what you have, doesn't really
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: define who you are, but more like you know what
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: you're what you're moving towards in terms of like having
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: meaning in your life, and they do, and I think
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: that that's that's the thing with that other woman. She
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: didn't have meaning in her life. That's why she's like, Well,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: I'm a writer and I create content, and I'm I
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: go to I go to foreign countries and I eat
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: meals that are very exotic and I can speak Italian.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, but but what else, Like that's nothing,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: like you know, that's that's not substantial. I don't know
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: if you're going to figure it out, but it's not enough.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: So and yeah, it's more about people's impressions of who
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: she is she's a narcissist than who she is, right,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: I mean you could there's probably plenty of women who
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: spent their life traveling and that's authentically who they are.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: But that but they're not writing articles talking about this
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: like oh I'm all this, that and the other thing,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, they're just having the experience because
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: that's what they're drawn to. Okay, let's listen to some
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: more of this nonsense.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: Same picture. Gen Z women and men are more divided
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: on feminism, gender roles, and women's rights than any other generation.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: Young we you know why, also more likely than young men.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Well, let's letting finish the sentence.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: All right, let me just I have to get the uh.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: You can't use the space bar to stop, and I can.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm also I'm doing other things.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: I'm themselves from religious institutions, many of which, after all,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: still cling to traditional, complimentary roles for women and men.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop complimentary roles. She's not even talking like, she's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: not even framing it as some kind of im like
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: some kind of oppression of women. It's just complimentary. So
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: if you believe that men and women are complimentary, you're
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: a conservative, you know, like, for example, if you believe
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: that women give birth and men in sement eight, you're
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: a conservative. Yeah, like this, this is the complete deterioration
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: of thought here like that, and the complete deterioration of anything.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing she talks about this, like that
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: traditional gender roles will save society. Yes, the way that
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: you've defined traditional gender roles and complementarianism is basically human
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: reproduction at this point, And guess what you need to
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: do it in order for society to have a future,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: Like I can't believe, like we're here, though we're here,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: we're at the complete destruction of the concept of human reproduction.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Because of the Party of Single Women. What does the
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: Party of single Women want to do? It wants to
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: maintain itself. It wants to maintain its boundaries. It wants
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: to make sure that the tar pit stays sticky so
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: that no woman escapes and potentially reproduces. God forbid. Oh no, sorry,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Goddess forbid.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Hmm But.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I just I just found that funny because
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: it's like she's she's not even saying they're oppressive. They're
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: just complimentary.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: That's the big problem now that men and women might
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: work together, maybe in different spheres, but ultimately for the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: same goal. Oh oh, that's the dread patriarchy right there.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, But that's that's just it. Log Like what constitutes
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: traditionalism starts off sounding reasonable to criticize, and then it
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: moves into just like normality. Like that's that's what I'm saying. Like,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: just there, the complimentary roles are called traditional, and it's
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: done so intentionally as a pejorative. So like, where do
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: you move from there? I guess we just don't have
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: kids anymore. No, I guess we don't have families. No,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: you just don't do any of it because it's too traditional.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: We just expect and the party what we just expand
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: the party of single women. We just that's how. That's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: how the Party of single women reproduces by creating more
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: single women.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: It's going to implode on itself, sure, but yeah, yeah,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: well that at least if the only thing you're after
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: is power, political power, then that's what you do. But
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: it's limited because you're gonna runt of people because people
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: aren't having kids. And then so there's not going to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: be any single women because there's not gonna be any women.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: They have absolutely no sense. The funny thing is they
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: talk about the future is female, but I don't know
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: if they have the conception of future and how it works,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: because that would require systems thinking to be able to
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: project into the future. I don't This is this is
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: honestly why the Bibles like women submit to men, because
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: these categorical intellectual failures of imagination over understanding things about
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: how consequences flow into the future, how systems work, how
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: multiple people work in a system, how complementarianism is actually important.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: All of these abject failures of intellectual capacity seem to
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: absolutely multiply when women get into this tar pit and
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: start reinforcing their failures. It just becomes a cascade, a
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: mental contagion, a gigantic katamari katamari right, katamari ball of
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: intellectual failure, just like just sticking to everything. And this
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: is probably why women in the Bible, the Bible says
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: women submit to men to avoid this.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I mean, it is quite
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: a privilege to watch how human social systems deteriorate into
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: feminine led entropy, is it not. I mean, we're at
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: the front row seat of the the fall of the
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: Bronze Age, the fall of East, the Western Empire, you know,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: the fall of sumer We're at the We're at there.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: We got a front row seat, and everything's being recorded.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: So you know, maybe people will write an AI with
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: the with the wisdom. Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: Even when it comes to defining life's goals, the gender
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: gap persists. In a recent NBC News Decision Desk poll
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: of twenty nine and seventy Americans aged eighteen to twenty nine,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: the respondents were asked to select the top three things
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: that define success for them from a list of thirteen options,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: and while both genders surveyed agreed that a fulfilling job, career,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: having enough money, and achieving financial independence are all important.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: Young women also ranked emotional stability as a top priority,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: whereas young men were more concerned with making day.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: If they rank emotional stability as a top priority. If
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: they ranked, then they're they're going about it asked backwards,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: because there is nothing in this ideology that encourages emotional stability.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: Emotional stability is encouraged by recognizing the consequences of your
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: actions and having faith that they affect outcomes in your
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: greater world. That that is the exact opposite of what
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: feminism teaches women. But you know, continue on with your
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: bad self now. Wonder they start blocking me when I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: start pointing this out. Yeah, that's what they want. They're like,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: I want emotional stability, and I'm here saying, yeah, you are.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: You are completely unstable to an insane degree. They don't
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: want to hear it. They think emotional stability is getting
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: everyone to agree with their nonsense moment to moment. I guess.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: All right, So she started a sentence saying, unsurprisingly, the differences.
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  Speaker 5: The differences become more pronounced when you compare general Z.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: Women who voted for Harris with General Z men who
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: voted for Trump, as you can see in the table below,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: For example, Trump voting men consider having children as the
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: biggest accomplishment. Well, for Harris voting women, it's the second
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: least important thing.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, so is that so? Like again you have
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: to ask yourself, does wine to have children? Like? Why
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: do men put that as their high as their highest priority?
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: And is that wrong? And if it is wrong, why
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: is it wrong? Like that's that's like, well, she won't
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: ask that question, but that should be what you would ask, right,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm. I don't know if she's going to land
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: on even questioning that outcome. You might just be like, well,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: women should be able to just tank society.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: Press enter or click to view image in full size
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 5: NBC News Decision Desk poll. However, while men and women
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: who voted for Harris are broadly aligned in their vision
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 5: of a success full life, differing on just one point
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: in their top five priorities within the right wing block,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: the gender splits widen again. Marriage and parenthood are nowhere
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: near the top for conservative General Z women, yet for
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: General Z men both are instead. Trump voting women put
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: more emphasis on independence and spirituality.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course women are cooked guys, and have been
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: for a while. All right, if we keep going.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also I have the graph here if you
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: want to take a look at it. I gave you
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: a link to it.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, well it's want me to put it displaying
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Do you think it's worth it? Oh? Yeah,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: it's it's basically Yeah, it might not be worth it,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: but it does illustrate the gap. And of course men
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: who are drawn to the party of single women are
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: going to have more aligned values.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I can I can show, I can get it from
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: the article. I have the article here.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: So okay, all right, I.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Think we looked at this before. So female voted for Harris,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: male voted for Harris, female voted for Trump, male voted
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: for Trump. I think we looked at this before. So
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: actly even the I think let me see, Yeah, okay,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: so males that voted for Harris even have being married
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: and having kids higher than the females. So imagine being
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: a dude for Harris and wanting to marry a woman
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: for Harris and hoping to get married and have kids.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, only the men who voted for
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Trump are the ones that are seeing this, and and again,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: some of the other stuff on this list support other things, right, So,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: like wanting financial independence and having a job or you
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: find fulfilling both of those things exist to support having
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: children being married, So they don't. You can't have kids
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: if you don't have money. At least that's the attitude, right, Like,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: we got to be able to make money and have
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: a so I got to have a job, and I
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: might as well like the job because I want kids, right,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: because I want a family.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yep. Okay, let's go back to the video.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: As writer Jill Philipovic, commenting on this recent poll notes
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: in Slate, for women regardless of politics and for liberal men,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: it seems that children and marriage may be components of
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: a good life, but they aren't considered some sort of
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: accomplishment for conservative men. They are perhaps the big divide here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the question, what do these people expect
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: from the future? Are you just going to import your
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: labor from cultures that call you the great Satan? Like?
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Is that what's gonna happen? Okay? All right, so you
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: you have chosen.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: That far ahead though, Yeah.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: You're right, You're right.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: I just said I think that most like, okay, for
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: women regardless of politics, and for liberal men, it seems
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: that children in marriage may be components of a good life,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: but they aren't considered some sort of accomplishment. But okay,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: so we got to ask ourselves, is family and children
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: should we even view that as an accomplishment because I
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: think there's an assumption by Jill Philipovic saying that everything
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: that people do in life is a desire for an accomplishment,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: something that you can what like hang on your I
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, like hang on your mantle and look at
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, right, Or is it just a
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: like a normal, like a natural biological desire to like
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: have children, Like it's like in our it's in our DNA,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: like all animals. Like, I don't think that birds are
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: like talking about accomplishments when they're when they're reproducing, when
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: they when they lay eggs and then you know, pair
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: up with another bird. It's just they're just like, this
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: is what we do. So I think first of all,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: we're making it into something a little bit grander than
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: it needs to be in a material sense, like, oh,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: I just want to be proud of this. I want
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: to accomplish this thing, like having babies is not really
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: an accomplishment. A lot of people have them all the time.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: But I do think that it's biological for one. And
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: I think that I guess what they call conservative men
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: at least admit that, like this is true about ourselves
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: as men, that we want this, and I think liberal
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: men pretend like they don't because there it's just a
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: different strategy to get women. Though they're like, well, I
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to make this a big thing, right, or
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: maybe they genuinely don't think it's worth But I but
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: what I do think is that by not seeing it
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: having a family as the I guess you could say
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: the goal of a search for meaning. That's that's what
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: I think it is. Like seeking meaning is not the
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: same as seeking accomplishments or praise. And I think that
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: people who start families are or even if they don't, like,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: if you go into like you might be looking for
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: meaning in another way. Let's say you can't have kids,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: so you you know, go into like some kind of
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: like mentorship program or you coach a team, or you
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: go into education or you know, fostering or whatever. But
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: like I think that but it's having a family is
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: not the same as getting a job or like saving
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: money or buying buying something.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean. It's the focus on
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: trying to have a legacy, something you live, you leave
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: behind when you die. And I just realized, what could
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: actually explain why we have a concept of death because
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of complication and explaining the psychology of
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: being conscious, Like, there's some serious drawbacks to it. It's
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: very evolutionary expensive, not just evolutionary expensive in terms of
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: cognitive problems that it creates, like depression, anxiety, et cetera.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Although I know other animals can have that too. It's
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: cognitively it is actually physically very expensive, Like twenty percent
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: of our calories go to our brain just to maintain
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: of cognitive function that we have. So it's an extremely
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: costly thing. It's extremely costly biological phenomenon. And there is
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: a question of how it persists in why it persists,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: and probably it's because it spurs people to pursue legacy,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: which in legacy is group fitness, evolutionary fitness of the group.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: So you plant a date tree that your grandson will
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: be able to harvest from, or your community will be
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: able to harvest from you mentor underprivileged youth, because they
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: will turn around and reinvest what you've put into them
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: into the community, which will improve everyone's resources collectively. So
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, Brian. It is the concept
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: of legacy. And I think that remember when we were
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: reading Okay, of course you remember, because we just did it.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: We read that ridiculous article that narcissist she doesn't know
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: she's going to die. She hasn't contended with them, She
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: hasn't thought about that, she hasn't had that moment where
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh shit, what happens after? What am I
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: doing with my life?
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: What gives it meaning? You know? And what gives it meaning?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: When you have contended with the fact that you're going
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: to die, and narcissists really really have trouble with that.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: I have a personal anecdote about that that will give
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: you in a moment. But when you die and when
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: you have struggled with that question of purpose and meaning,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: the usually the end result of that is I have
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: to give to someone other than myself. I have to
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: lift up people other than myself, right, I have to
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: give to the community. That's going to exist after I
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: die if I want my actions to have real meaning,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: and that spurs that desire for legacy. And I think
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: the big question here this is what you're I think
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: you're talking about when you talk about well, what they're
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: actually this is a search for meaning. And meaning doesn't
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: come from achievements. It doesn't come from having a great job.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't come from being able to eat fish, pasta
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: and a seaside resort in Italy. It comes from something more.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: It comes from giving to something greater than yourself that
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: you know will last after you die. That's where meaning
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: comes from. I mean, if you don't need it, then
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: so be it. If you can contend with your death.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: And you're just like, well, I'm fine with all of
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: the transitor pleasures of life. That's fine. You're probably not
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: writing stupid articles like this, okay. But these people have
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: not contended with their mortality, and that hasn't spurred them
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: to try to pursue developing some framework for a legacy.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: And they haven't contended with their mortality because they think
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: they're going to exist forever. Because I don't know if
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: they understand consequences leading to future They don't can't comprehend
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: a future without them in it. That's why that woman
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: was like the way she was. She probably can't comprefend
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: a future without her in it because she's a narcissist.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: And my personal anecdote is that we had to deal
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: with a narcissist last year. I don't know how detailed
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: I should get to their relationship to us, just just
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: it was. It was it was a family member.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, I think I remember that, but go ahead.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I should stop being very clear about what
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: the relationship is. But anyway, that that individual got into
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: a gigantic fight with my husband, and part of it
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: revolved around the inheritance that they were both going to receive,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: and my husband told that individual, you know, you have
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: serious health issues. You're not going to be here forever.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: And that individual went absolutely bonkers or just ape shit
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: like they took it as a personal offense. And he
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't saying it like, oh, I'm going to dance on
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: your grave. He's saying, you know, you gotta get your
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: docs in order because you're not going to be around
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: forever and you have health challenges. So this is going
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: to this is going to be something you need to
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: deal with in your future, or you are not going
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: to be in a very good situation. And that individual
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: just had an utter meltdown because he had done the unthinkable,
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: which was reference a time when they didn't exist. And
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: that person is a complete narcissist. Narcissists consider death to
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: be a personal offense. They don't contend with it, and
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: they certainly don't contend with it to the point where
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: they understand that they faced the meaninglessness of life without
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: putting yourself to service of something greater than yourself. And
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: if you, and like I said, if you're the kind
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: of person that can contend with the meaningless of life
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: and just be like, ah, I'm fine with that. I'm
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: just going to enjoy my life. I'm going to enjoy
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: the things I enjoy and that's fine. Then fine, Again,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: you're probably not a narcissist writing nonsense like these two women. Okay,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: I hope that that was helpful.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, yeah, it's just yeah, you you added
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: on to what I was saying. I think that I
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: think that we put a little bit. The problem is
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: is that we're looking at this perspective in too much
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: of a you know, presentist like like right now, just
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: me kind of perspective. And I think there's a lot
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: of that and people don't know that they do it right.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: But like someone who lives, like when you if a
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: man wants to start a family, he is saying, I'm
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: ready to know longer live for myself and live for
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: some other people who I need to provide for for
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: basically most of my life. Like basically the you know,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: it's like the stages of growth. Like there's the boy,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: and then he becomes an adolescent, and the adolescent learns
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: about you know, like what it means to be an adult,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: and then he becomes a well he becomes a young man,
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: and then he becomes a father. And when he becomes
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: a father, it changes like he's no longer the night
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: that's like trying to get the girl. He is now
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: the father raising his own nights. Yeah, his own children. Right,
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: So it's like you enter a different stage, like another life.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: It's starting a new life with a new purpose and goal.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: But these are all these are not material things. These
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: are not things that you just say, look what I have,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Look what I did, you know, show me with the praise,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: Like that's still kind of like in the childlike mentality,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: you know, where a boy says, mom, looks what I
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: can do and he does it. Uh, you do that
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: because you're like figuring out where your boundaries are at,
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: like where the limits are that you have and how
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: you can surpass them. And this is how men develop.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: They like they like test their their limits, you know.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: But once you have that figured out, and then you
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: start going into the world, you're like looking for someone
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: that's going to support you and and you know, if
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: you want to start a family with someone, you want
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: someone that's going to be supportive and is going to
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: love you, and they're gonna help They're gonna help you
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: in the same way that you help them. Because the
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: reason why is that when you have kids, then you
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: know that she's got your back, right yeah, and the
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: kids back well by extension that would be. But the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: thing is, once you're having kids, your life is about them.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: Now you know, it's not. It's not about you anymore,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: at least not to the same degree. And that's what
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like this whole thing though, these studies that
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: we're looking at here are just showing how few women
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: are even perceiving their life path that way. Where they
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: get to be in their sixties and they're still doing
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: adolescents like writing things, and they're like, well, why am
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: I miserable? Yeah, and they have boyfriends exactly.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think you're going to find that this
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: woman comically misinterprets why men want to have children.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: The thing is that our society shields women from death,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: so they never really contend with that. You know, I
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: wonder them so much. Yeah, yeah, I often wonder if
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: my entire outlook was permanently changed by you know, being bombed.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: I say it, but it's like, uh, it wasn't like
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: a really bad bombing, so it's like we didn't There
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't like a loss of infrastructure and gigantic craters everywhere
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: and hopelessness, but it was. It was definitely scary as hell,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: Like it was well, I mean, I don't even remember
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: feeling fear, but but I'm sure it was scary on
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: some level. But that experience of going through, you know,
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: waking up to air raid sirens, going down into our
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: makeshift bunker, which was not anything like a bunker, was
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: just a table with a mattress over top, just so
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: that all it would do would would prevent us being
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: treaded by glass which we had taped up too so
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: that it would shatter, it wouldn't shatter and fling everywhere.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: Hopefully that was the that was the logic, And then
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: having the anti missiles go off and the sound was unbelievable,
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: and we were like, like, I could, I could take
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: it at my bike and bike to munitions depot of
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: the US Army. So we were a strategic target and
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: if we had been hit, we would have been completely
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: vaporized instantly and that would have been the end of
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: it period. But the sound of all of that was
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: just so huge, And I often wonder if that, like
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: facing that moment where you like, you don't know if
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: you're going to be alive in the next moment, you
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're gonna be completely erased. I wonder
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: if that changed my mentality on a fundamental level, that like,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: there are certain things that when I hear these women talk,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? And
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: this is one of them, what she's about to talk about.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: She doesn't understand the idea of men recognizing that they
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: want to serve something beyond themselves and that that be children.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: So she's reinterpreting it through her the lens of the
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: party of single women. So let's leer what she has
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: to say. And this is the big thing, This is
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: the payload, all right.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 5: It's family too, look like, but in how one conceives
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: a parenthood in the first place. For Trump voting men,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: having kids maybe a kind of flex, a status symbol,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 5: a feather in their cap, and conveniently something for which
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 5: women actually take on the lion's share of the labor.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: It's true that children and marriage often confer personal, social
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: and economic advantages for men, boosting both their status and
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 5: perceived authority. Still, presumably those who grow up conservative and
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 5: carry those beliefs into early adulthood marinate in the end
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 5: same ideological sauce, one that insists women treat these milestones
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 5: as their ultimate achievements to Okay.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: Did you see that, Yes, of course, yeah, I just
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't know she says this, but I just said
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: that that that's what they're going to look at it,
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: like we both like it's some kind of like again,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: like their children, Like i'd like if you're if you
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: have kids, you know that they're that you love them,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: but they're not like a trophy. No, that's like not
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: a thing. You don't you don't display them like a trophy.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Some parents do, but that's that they end up narcissistic
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: parents and so but I mean that happens, but that's
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: probably that's not the majority. That's a specific subset. But
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: she literally, like you're talking about men wanting to sacrifice
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: themselves for a legacy, she literally reinterprets that in an
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: egotistical way. Economic gain, which is basically father's knuckling down
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: to pay for their families, but a freaking loon. Social gain.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: What social gain did fathers get I don't know. I
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: think mothers get far more. But and then also some
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: kind of achievement. All of these are egotistically based, which
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: basically says that she has not contended with the fact
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: that she is going to die and once and people
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: who have contended with that, and they they default onto
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: this kind of enlightened nihilism, which I'm just going to
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: enjoy the things that I enjoy, you know, like walk
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: lightly on this earth and whatever else. They don't write
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: stuff like this because it is also childish to them. Yes,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: it is also egotistical to them because they when you
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: go through that, you have to let go of this
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: ego centric viewpoint, right, and and they don't write shit
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: like this, like, when you've truly contended with your mortality,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: you have let to have to let go of an egocentric,
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: egocentric viewpoint. And even if you again, even if you
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: default onto hey, I'm just going to live my life
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: the best I can, even if it's just for me.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: You don't write shit like this because you don't harbor
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: this level of hatred towards others. There's no point to
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: there's no point to have this level of jealousy and
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: resentment when you have truly contended with your mortality.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, let's keep going, all right, why don't they? What
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: else is pulling young women and men apart? A recent
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 5: study in the European Sociological Review examined ideological differences between
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 5: young men and women across thirty two European countries and
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 5: found that these gaps are the most significant in countries
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 5: with greater gender equality.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: Ha ha, Maybe because it's not working out for men
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: or women greater gender equality. And then and again, the well,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: I think she's gonna mention it, right, The paradox of
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: like the more equal equal a society is, the more
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: divergent the people's life's pass men and women's life paths are,
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: or at least where they what they do, and they're
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: not gonna again no, so so like self consumed, so
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: like up their own ass. They don't even say to themselves,
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: why is this happening? Maybe we're wrong, like there's just
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: no ability to do that. Instead, it's just like this
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: must be men's doing. Men are doing something wrong.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 5: Some of the most egalitarian countries in the world, as
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: well as the Netherlands and Slovenia. The authors link this
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: to the so called Tokeville paradox, which suggests that social
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 5: progress can paradoxically lead to greater frustration.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a weird way to phrase it. What do
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: you mean social progress?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if men have to concede all of this stuff,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: plus they have to concede their desirability, I could imagine
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: why they get frustrated if they have to see all
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: of the progressive programs elevating women ahead of them. Meanwhile,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: women continue to judge them based on their achievements, which
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: they are artificially handicapped relative to women. I could see
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: where the frustration might come from like this is and
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: again this woman is seeing achievements as like little bobbles
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: she wears on her bodice, as opposed to a means
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: to the end of building a legacy. And building a
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: legacy isn't egotistical necessity? Well, I mean it maybe a
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: little bit, but it is the idea of your actions
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: building something for the future, right that gives those actions,
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: meaning those actions and choices meaning it might be considered egotistical,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: but it's egotistical based on a recognition that the ego ends,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: which is not narcissistic. I mean, we do need egos,
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean healthy ego, otherwise we just we
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't function, right. So yeah, anyway, but I wanted to
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: go on the Special Chat Johnny. Nobody knows. It wasn't Gaza. No,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: I'm neither Muslim nor Jewish. I'm actually Dutch Catholic, which,
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: if you understand the Dutch, is fairly weird because the
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: Dutch are mostly Protestant. So I am a religious minority
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, or I've descended from a religious minority
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: in the Netherlands. But it's the Netherlands, so they probably
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: didn't care that much, or possibly they did. And my
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: family has experienced persecution way way in the past in
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: a past time that no longer matters, so I can't
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: actually sue other Dutch people for like reparations. So anyway,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: that's what I am Catholic. I was baptized Catholic. I
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if I probably am by the very loose
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: definition of what it is to be Catholic. But you know,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: there you go if you needed to know.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 5: While this paradox doesn't imply that frustration could be limited
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 5: to just some groups today, and when it comes to
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 5: progress on gender equality, that does seem to be the case.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: It is not okay, this is not wars gender equality.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: None of this has been progressed towards gender equality because
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: you haven't challenged the notion that men are still defined
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: by protecting and providing women. All you've done is pretend
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. None of this is gender equality. That's
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: the great lie. It's creating frustration because you only measure
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: women's side. You only help women, You only look at
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: the situation for women. You only care about the harms
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: done to women. You never measure you just ideologically you say, well,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist in my framework, the harms for men, therefore,
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: they don't exist. And you wonder why the group of
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: people that you are marginalizing is getting frustrated. I wonder
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: why men are leaving the left when the left has
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: declared war. I wonder why? Wonder why men are leaving
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: the left when the left has declared war on them
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: is a mystery. I wonder why Trump has been using
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: the government shutdown as a political weapon towards the people
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: who have been waging law fair against him for the
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: last what eight years? I wonder why, like consequences to
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: your actions, just because you think they're illegitimate doesn't mean
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: they don't exist. Okay, yeah, all right.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 5: In many countries, young women now enjoy the level of freedom, autonomy,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 5: and opportunity unlike any generation before them. We graduate from
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 5: university at equal or even higher rates than men. We're
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 5: increasingly entering male dominated fields from STEM to skilled trades.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: No, you're not, it's on our own men, trans women
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: are entering STEM. You're not. Okay, Okay, you should read
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: that Superchow another one came, or hold on or superchat?
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh the super chat? Yeah, yeah, Albatross gave us five.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't read that one before, Thank you. Albatross has said,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: it's funny how some folks women claim to be emotionally
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: intelligent and yet have zero idea how human beings work.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: Go figure, Yeah, no shit, well no, so they can't
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: see anything outside of what they want in the moment.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: That's it just comes back to that, like this is
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: what I want, and and how I see the world
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: is around what I want in it. So when something
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't go along with what I want, I'm I'm baffled,
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: like I can't possibly because of why why don't you
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: want what I want? Like why don't you want me
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: to be comfortable and happy and safe and you know,
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: like living in abundance and all of that, Like what
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: what do you want? Why do you want to take
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: that away from me? And so they did. Just this
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: is how disconnected they are. So we've made them too safe,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. We've made them way too safe
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: and way too comfortable. And I think that women just
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: have a completely warped view of reality because of.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 5: It and own money and make our own choices about
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 5: our fertility and reproduction the most.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: Literal formula, everybody's choices.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 5: Not coincidentally the most contested today.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: So again, this woman just made the case that women
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: in many countries are about as free as it gets,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: as liberated as it gets, and yet she still has
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: to convince us that they're also still like it's as
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: bad as ever as well, because it's got to be
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: both of these things. It's got to be. It can't
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: be free because then they're no longer oppressed. Then we
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: don't have like that narrative. So they got to be
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: like either oppressed or on the verge of losing everything
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: because men have like drawn a line in the sand
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: and said no, we're not doing any more of this,
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: which is essentially what the shift is.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: Right, it's better than ever, but it's never been so bad.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better than ever, but it's never been so bad.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: Women are somehow doing really well despite men's like being the.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 5: King.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: They're waiting, they're plotting, they're like Sauron on this mountain.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, all right.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 5: I Although there are still caveats and asterisks that accompany
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 5: these freedoms, which become particularly salient precisely when we have
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 5: children and or enter into relationships with men.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: Asterisks when you have these freedoms. You mean you have.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: To you have and when you get into relationship with men, you.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: Have to accommodate other people. It's like that woman discovering
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: that there might be another person involved in a relationship
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: besides herself. Yep, that's the asterisks to women's freedom, Like gosh,
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: I want to be married, but why do I have
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: to have a husband?
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: Why you?
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, oh man, this is why, this is why cultures
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: that function never gave them these rites.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 5: Okay Field arguably more power than even just a few
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: decades ago, and we embrace and enjoy that power. Yes,
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 5: even conservative women, the tradwives and Erica Kirks of this world,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 5: might work overtime selling the fantasy of a traditional lifestyle,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 5: but in reality they don't exactly practice.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: Not a traditional style. I mean it is with a
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: lot of them, because they're home homesteaders, not homemakers. But
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: it's not like the fifties homemakers. Not a traditional lifestyle.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: A traditional lifestyle is both the men and the women
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: come together and put their labor to the service of
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: producing a family. I think that that might be the
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: source of the problem here, because we still expect men
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: to put their labor to the production of a family,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: but we don't expect women anymore, Lisa, like Peter, writ's
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: the issue that we need to or No the individual
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: from India who talked about the importance of the dowry.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Shah No. I know. Yeah, well basically
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: when we but the romantic model is what killed the
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: what we used to do with marriage. It was like
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: a bit like a business decision. And you might say
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: that's a bit cold or whatever, but that's only because
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: like the romantic model is so appealing, but it's not,
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: like it's not really people's reality, like you can we
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna go back to that, but
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice. But I think the dowry model makes
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: sense because you know, you're you're both You're gonna prepare
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: people for that, so like you can make sure that
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be in debt, you're gonna make sure
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: you have money saved up, you make sure that you
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: have some skills, like like skills to build the business
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: with a partner, and then you probably all know each
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: other anyway, so it's not like God of the Blue.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: You don't meet some stranger and you got to marry
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: that person. It's usually because the family is coming together
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: and becoming a larger family, so everyone knows each other,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: but we but we don't have that. So like the
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: idea of you know, I guess that kind of arrangement
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: seems like really strange to people. But we did dating
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: and the romantic model for what like a couple hundred
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: years maybe, and I maybe if that right, and I
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: think that that's sort of like we're looking we're reaping
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: the spoils of that per se.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: Yah. Yeah, okay, so let's uh, let's let's finish this off.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: Finish is sort of a work, doing a lot of work.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 5: Degrees voice their opinion, and i'd assume have bank accounts
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 5: though doing all the things feminism made.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the history of finance.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: As a Dutch person, I'm deeply offended by her ignorance
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: as Dutch. As a Dutch Dutch Canadian descended from the Dutch,
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: her ignorance of modern finance is deeply offensive. Continue.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, as society's enemy number one, certainly require a level
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 5: of cognitive dissonance so high it's almost impressive. Still, political
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 5: affiliation and even traditional values clearly don't diminish women's desire
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 5: for independent self determination and power over there, which is
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 5: also reflected in the surveys above. But women stepping outside
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 5: of their designated role and enjoying.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, stop, So women actually dedicating
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: themselves to the legacy of preserving the society that gave
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: them all these fucking rights in the first place is
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: too much to ask. They're just gonna grab the bag,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna grab the bag from their future daughters
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: that won't be born and the future women that could
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: have benefited from this society, you know. Man managing to
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: scale it up and actually bring it to Afghanistan in
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: a way that doesn't doesn't cause the Afghanis to just
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: you know, bunker down and insist one even further on
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: themselves on that particular you know, No, these women are
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: arguing to grab the bag and enjoy the spoils with
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: no sense of investment in the society that gave them
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: the bag in the first place. This is like what
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: she's doing here, and her argument she's making here is
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: such an incredibly like she is displaying such a level
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how I'm trying. I'm trying to
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: find the right words, such a level of entitlement, selfishness, narcissism,
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: Like she is demonstrated, like I said it sort of
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: tongue in cheek that this this woman demonstrates why women
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: didn't have rights in the past, which they did by
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: the way, guys, I'm just being facetious, But she demonstrates
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: why women should not have no sense of responsibility to
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: the system that gave her all of this, no sense
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: of believing, Like she just doesn't even have an instinct
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: to to give back to the system that gave her
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: all of this. It's like, this is this is the
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: this is the absolute void at the heart of femininity. Yeah,
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: like that, we're staring at it right now, you know,
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: and honestly, like I'm going to say this and then
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give some more historical context, but this
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: is this is a woman who has no investment in
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: her society, right Like look at Okay, let's use their
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: example of Afghanistan. Okay, we send young men into Afghanistan
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: to go and die in the service of bringing their
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: women rights. Do they women? Are they willing to die
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: for those rights? No? Nope, no, at least not in
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: large enough numbers. That it matters, right, so they don't
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: get them. They're willing to take the Taliban's deal. They're
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: fine with it. In fact, many of them probably think
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: it's a better deal than having to look at modern
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: art in the shape of Foucult's Frickin' toilet, the degeneracy
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: of our society. They probably prefer their morality and their
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: moral schema. These women probably prefer it right, so they
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: don't fight for it. And women don't fight for their societies,
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: at least this woman doesn't. Okay, this is the void
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 2: at the heart of femininity. The void that and I'll
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: do another illustration of the void. French woman after the
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 2: occupation of France by the Nazis, describing how so deliciously
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: be steel and proud the Nazis were as they marched
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: into town, right their heads held high. This tall, handsome,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: aggressive athletic men just ugh oh, drooling This French woman
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  Speaker 2: drooling over them, and then describing frenchmen as being these beaten,
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: slovenly furtive creatures just scuttling around. Yeah, that is the
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: void at the heart of femininity. No investment in their societies.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: Their societies bend over backwards to give this woman everything
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: to powder her ass from crib to grave. And she
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: has absolutely no sense of loyalty or expectation of investment
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: in that society none whatsoever. She is literally saying eyes
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  Speaker 2: a woman, as a muted, empowered woman, I'm going to
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: use my empowered not even in the service of future
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: women who might benefit from it. Oh no, it's only
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: in the service of myself. And I shall take this
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: society with me because I will not have children, I
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: have no interest in investing in it. I'm just going
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 2: to take that bag, and I'm going to enjoy that bag,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna leave a smoking crater for everyone else.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: This is the void at the heart of femininity. Mm
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: hmm unbelievable. And yeah, this woman, if this society gets conquered,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: guess where her ass is gonna be, Right up in
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: the conqueror's face. Would you like a little Kuchi kill? Oh?
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you master. She has no sense of investment in
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: this culture none none, and it is And honestly, I
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: find this utterly despicable. I know that maybe somebody like
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: Karen might have softer words than I would for this,
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: because you know, women have to deal with the fact
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: that they get conquered and all that shit bullshit, all right, yeah, yes,
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: women have had to deal with that. Do you know
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: how Northern German like Germanic women dealt with it? Well,
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you how. Okay, when they were conquered, the
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: Teutons were conquered, I think the Battle of Cambri by
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: the Romans, and the line broke of their men. Okay,
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: the men fled. The ones that didn't die fled. Their
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: women cut their throats of the fleeing men. Then they
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: cut the throats of their children. Then they cut their
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: own throats because when their society died, those women died
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: with it, and that was their pledge, and that was
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: their honor, and that was their loyalty to their society.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: And guess which culture which okay, actually, let me just
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: go south. The Savine women they waded into like it's
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of a domestic story. It's not
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: quite as flip and metal as the Northern Europeans. But
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: the Sabine. When the Sabine men were going to be
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: slaughtered by the Roman men or the fight was between
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 2: their fathers, the Sabine men were the Sabine women's fathers,
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: and they'd come to rescue them. Their brothers and fathers
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: and their husbands. They waded into battle to stop it
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: because they were invested in their men to the point
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: of risking their lives. Okay, And then you have the
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: combination of the Northern Teuton women's attitude of a complete
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: loyalty to their social system and the Sabine women's attitude
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: of loyalty to their men folk. And then what comes
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: from that a fricking world spanning civilization. Why because their
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: women invested in it to the point of death. This
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: woman is not just spitting on the sacrifices of men.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: She's spitting on the sacrifices of every woman that she
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: stands on, who invested in this society up to their death.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 3: She is a piece of loathsome human trash.
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: And now I'll tell you what I feel. Would you
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: really think, Okay, I just just I'm just glad I
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: didn't wake. I think the cat's okay, she's not upset.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: I think she's outside, so she's she's okay. I didn't
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: upset the cat. That's what I'm concerned about. But I
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: just like this, this, this, this, this, this.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: H Okay, right, yeah, there's a little.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 5: Bit left, so the privilege and power for men. Historically,
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 5: men established dominance within patriarchal through wealth, political connection, military strength,
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 5: as well as through marriage and children. As historian Stephanie
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 5: Koons points out, for thousands of years, marriage was itself
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 5: a way of whether by expanding the family labor, for
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 5: as in some ranked horticultural society.
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 2: It seems like this is skipping.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm trying to find where I'm trying
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 1: to look at the I'm trying to look at well, okay,
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: do you want me to like, yeah, I'll play the
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: last minute.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 5: Collected why and use their labor and their children's labor
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 5: to establish networks of dependent or in class societies where
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 5: marriage was away.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just basically doing the communist gobbledy gup. I
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: don't know if we even need to go any further
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 2: with this.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, okay, here, here.
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 2: Here we have the commist communist gobbledygook. Everyone. Yeah, patriarchy
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: is capitalism. I don't know if you guys noticed that.
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: Everybody is a.
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 1: Form of capital that needs to be disrupted. That's why
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: they're that's why feminists are against fathers in the home,
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: because it's hierarchical. But they are for at least their
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: claim is they are for what do they call it,
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 1: villages and mothers and grandmothers and aunts and relatives and
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 1: beings of the not male persuasion, raising children, which I
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 1: assume will also be women, because you can't have boys,
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless you can like mutilate their generals in
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: term them into eunuchs and then you know, raise those.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I just, I just I'm saying this for
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: the people who constantly say that feminism is a subset
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 2: of Marxism.
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, this is just.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: Capitalism is patriarchy. Property rights is pat patriarchy, which is men. Okay,
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 2: this is all just anti men. And meritocracy is most
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: definitely patriarchy. So you know, going out and building a business,
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: that's patriot that's a patriarchy, even though women have done
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 2: it throughout all of human history, that's the patriarchy. Like
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: everything like it's even if it is a even if
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: it has some relation to Marxism. The power comes from
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: condemning men, and that's where it all starts. Okay, I
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: I like, I guess we could could do like the
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: full breadth of comedy comedy gobbledly gig. But I don't
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: know if.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling Oh no, I'm done. This has been two
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: and a half hours, almost three hours.
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't. I don't, I don't need I
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: don't feel the need to to go through the nonsense.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: She's this person who has an inability to understand the future,
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 2: understand investment, and see anything outside of ego centric belief systems.
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 2: Is I want to lecture us on how economies work.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even understand the how where the modern finance
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 2: system came from, because she doesn't understand the ridiculousness of saying, well,
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 2: women didn't women didn't have bank Okay, guys, women didn't
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 2: have a bank accounts like two centuries ago, Yes, because
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: there weren't banks that the average one person could access. Okay, yeah,
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 2: all right, let's uh, let's I think well maybe two
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: centuries ago there might have been only if you were rich, though, Okay,
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 2: let us uh okay, then all right, so if you should,
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: I just just go into it.
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah all right.
• 2:45:45
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• 2:45:47
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