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O'Brien & Doug S5E15 [February 24, 2022 The People Who Don't Suck Hall of Fame] · O'Brien & Doug

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  SPEAKER_03: The O'Brien and Doug podcast is brought to you in part by MojurMultimedia.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: KMH Music in Presscon Maine.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Rich Runner in Westfield Maine.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Doug's cousin Larry.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want the people to know that they still have two out of three branches of the government working for them, and that ain't bad.
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  SPEAKER_06: This, this, this, yo-yo, this is the O'Brien and Doug podcast.
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  SPEAKER_05: Why don't you be down in the basement with your little friend?
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the O'Brien and Doug Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm O'Brien.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm Doug.
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  SPEAKER_08: And Doug's on Zoom.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm on Zoom.
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  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_08: Because I'm not feeling very well.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not COVID.
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  SPEAKER_03: We know that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: Definitely not.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's uh just a belly thing, just a stomach thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_08: Tummy, my my tumbly's rumbly.
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  SPEAKER_03: My tumbly's rumbly.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he decided to stay home, but that's okay because we have the magic of technology.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we do not have to miss you know a podcast because we know everybody would be so disappointed if we did all all 18 downloads we had last week.
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  SPEAKER_03: Was that all we had?
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  SPEAKER_03: 18?
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  SPEAKER_04: That's all we had was 18.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's not bad.
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  SPEAKER_04: We've been doing it for two days.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we have had worse.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm not worried.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not worried either.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't really care because I'm doing it for me and you.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't really matter.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, uh, we had our first rehearsal, Star City Syndicate rehearsal since uh before Christmas or after Christmas?
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  SPEAKER_03: It was before Christmas.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, it was January.
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  SPEAKER_03: Was it January?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, then it was shortly after Christmas.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was the beginning of January, right?
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  SPEAKER_09: Then it was like the middle.
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  SPEAKER_09: Oh, shut up.
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  SPEAKER_09: It was the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_09: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_03: We had our first Star City Syndicate rehearsal in a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Or what seems like a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: We don't know exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Time is irrelevant.
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  SPEAKER_03: On Sunday, and um did you feel the same way that I did?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Every every rehearsal that we have, I feel like you and I are the ones having the most fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not that we all don't have fun because we we we all love playing together and we all have a good time.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you put you and I together in a corner and it's Well, that's on Morton.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know, I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: But did you catch that when when uh uh the bass player, the the musical director, uh turned to us and said, Boys, this feels like middle school band.
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  SPEAKER_09: And he's he's not wrong because um Well that was that was on him because he was talking about F and C and F and G, and I was like, that's funny.
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  SPEAKER_08: Because we're 12.
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  SPEAKER_09: I think often, daddy the chord progression, we're gonna go F and G, and then I'm like, that's funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's always F and G.
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  SPEAKER_09: That's F and G.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then we we kind of kept going back to that for the entire rehearsal.
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  SPEAKER_09: Well, that's what we do.
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  SPEAKER_09: I mean, well, if uh you know, why not have fun?
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  SPEAKER_09: That's what that's what music's about, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, but it was good to play, and I I can't wait to uh you know play some of this new stuff out.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: I don't know when that will be, but it'll be good.
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  SPEAKER_03: It'll be good.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know our first official one is coming up in June, but they're trying to get us to play a little bit earlier than that as like a soft opening type thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Soft serve?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like a soft serve.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Should be fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Alright, so uh I thought what we would do is because we we talked about uh, you know, uh what would what do we call it?
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  SPEAKER_03: We called it something.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh song dissection or song surgery or some song something.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, where we were gonna break down uh the meaning of a song.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we did it once with American Pie, sort of.
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  SPEAKER_09: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh I don't remember what we were gonna call it.
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  SPEAKER_09: I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_09: It was something really deep and um you know intellectual like, but that's a different podcast.
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  SPEAKER_09: That's that's somebody else's podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I thought we would take uh uh this time uh on 22-22.
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  SPEAKER_03: 222-22 because we're recording this on a Tuesday.
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  SPEAKER_03: 222-22.
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  SPEAKER_09: It only happens once in a whatever.
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  SPEAKER_09: It's never gonna happen again.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's never gonna happen again, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, that's what I meant.
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  SPEAKER_03: It only happens once in a lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_09: Unless we live, you know, until a thousand years.
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  SPEAKER_09: Right.
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  SPEAKER_09: No, that wouldn't, it'd be 323-23.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we can make it that long.
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  SPEAKER_04: It'll be next year.
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  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
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  SPEAKER_04: I hope so anyway.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh wait, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: It would be next year.
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  SPEAKER_04: 320 three to 323-23.
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  SPEAKER_09: 323-23.
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  SPEAKER_09: That's next year.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that'll work.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um, I thought we'd break down a song.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh it's a it's a much much talked about, uh, much heralded classic rock tune.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the news just came out that uh because the the Eagles are going on tour again, um, playing the uh I think they're playing this album in its entirety because it is um uh basically it's a birthday celebration.
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  SPEAKER_03: On this day in 1977, they released um Hotel California, which is the title track from the album of the same name.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was written by a former Eagle Don Felder, Don Henley and Glenn Fry.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I at least one time, I think it was like in the late 90s, the the guitar solo at the end was voted best guitar solo of all time.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that's since been replaced by Stairway to Heaven, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um really?
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  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
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  SPEAKER_09: Um Best Guitar Solo of all time?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Or at least in recent years, it's always it's been it's been Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven, the guitar solo.
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  SPEAKER_09: Why?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean it's a great guitar solo.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't call it the greatest.
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  SPEAKER_09: Oh no, I'm not taking it away from it, but I don't think greatest is a little heavy-handed.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the song was awarded the Grammy Award for Record of the Year the following year in 1978.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was just announced, too, that Deacon Fry, um Glenn Fry's son, who's been playing and singing in his uh absence, rest in peace, um, is uh is sick.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh he's got a some sort of illness, so he will not be going out on the next leg of the Eagles tour.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's too bad.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that is too bad.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um But they'll I I'm I'm sure they can swing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: They've got Vince Gill in there.
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  SPEAKER_09: So uh Well, you know.
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  SPEAKER_09: I mean, if you're gonna have to if you're gonna have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for somebody, might as well be.
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  SPEAKER_09: I mean, really.
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  SPEAKER_09: Jeez.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I thought I would start with because there's all kinds of like myths and uh you know legends about the song Hotel California.
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  SPEAKER_03: Off the top of your head, what have you always heard that the song is about?
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  SPEAKER_03: Drugs.
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  SPEAKER_03: You you've heard it was about drugs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think there's probably I have this uh this up on my screen right now, so I want to I want to tell you where I'm getting all my information.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's from a website called Song Meaningsandfacts.com.
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  SPEAKER_03: And according to the band, there's lots of interpretations.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um the California referred to on this track is both the famous West Coast state, specifically LA, and a symbolism of American materialism.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it speaks about certain females that were associated with the band, uses them as subjects interchange interchangeably with the city of Los Angeles.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there is a lot of um metaphors, you know, where they're they're using um um women, they're kind of interchanging between a woman and the city.
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  SPEAKER_03: In the first verse, did you know that only one of the one of the eagles was from California?
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought they were all from California.
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  SPEAKER_09: No, because Glenn Fry is from Detroit.
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  SPEAKER_09: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I knew that, but I thought Don Henley.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, Don Henley's from Texas.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, see, I didn't I guess I didn't even put that together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh it was uh uh Don Felder, I think, was the only one from California.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um the uh beginning of the first verse speaks to the literal experience of seeing the big cities of California on a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um uh however, as aforementioned, the eagles are also talking about actual women, in this case, symbolized as one woman.
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  SPEAKER_03: This woman courteously welcomes the narrator to his new destination.
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  SPEAKER_03: The song even implies that there may be a sexual dimension as she stood in the doorway.
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  SPEAKER_03: However, despite this apparent favor, the object of her hospitality cannot ascertain whether her hospitality is a blessing or a curse.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's listen to the first verse.
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  SPEAKER_06: On a dark desert highway, cooling in my hair, warms well, poly dust rising up through the air.
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  SPEAKER_06: Up ahead in the distance, I saw the shimmering light.
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  SPEAKER_06: My head too heavy and my side grew dim.
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  SPEAKER_06: I had to stop for the night.
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  SPEAKER_06: She stood in the doorway.
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  SPEAKER_06: I heard the mission bell.
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  SPEAKER_03: See now I always heard that there was a there was a um satanic uh um angle to this song, and which of course the Eagles completely deny.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has nothing to do with that.
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  SPEAKER_09: Um I I never I never got that vibe out of that song.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I mean these are just the the rumors.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, there's some dark elements to the song, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_09: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh nothing, nothing satanic, I don't think.
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  SPEAKER_09: Right.
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  SPEAKER_09: I mean, witchcrafty, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: Well I wouldn't go full-blown Satanism.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, that's what we have Slayer for.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, like in the chorus, um the woman uh or the place the singer is referring to is clearly identified as Hotel California, or as Don Henley put it, the high life of Los Angeles.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh he talked about the physical appeal of the woman or the place.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh he also implies that this place, or the woman, always has space and time to accommodate new visitors, um insinuating promiscuous practices.
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  SPEAKER_03: He also suggests that anything a person may be looking for, you can find it here.
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  SPEAKER_03: So in later years, that's what I heard, was it was about uh the music industry and how it swallows people up when they when they get there and try to make a name for themselves, and they just get law, they get lost in the hedonism and everything that that is California.
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  SPEAKER_03: So let's listen to the chorus.
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  SPEAKER_09: Well, I've also heard that Hotel California, yeah, supposedly the H and the C is for heroin and cocaine.
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  SPEAKER_03: See, now that's I would think that that's reaching a little bit.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_09: But that's I'm just yeah, that's more than a whole drug reference, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, read into the what you will, but I guarantee you there's there there's a drug element to this whole thing.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Let's listen to the let's listen to the chorus and and and just for a second.
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  SPEAKER_06: Anytime of year, any time of year, you can find it.
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  SPEAKER_08: Any time of year.
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  SPEAKER_08: Anytime of year, you can do it.
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  SPEAKER_08: You can find it here.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So now in the second verse, uh, the excess in America.
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  SPEAKER_09: I bet it's about this lady right here.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: They can't see this as a podcast.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_09: I know.
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  SPEAKER_09: That's what's funny about it.
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  SPEAKER_09: Because everybody's like, oh yeah, I know exactly what you're right.
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  SPEAKER_09: If you have the album cover, just uh you have the album cover, open it up and you'll see everybody.
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  unknown: Look.
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  SPEAKER_09: It's like that Sergeant Pepper's thing.
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  SPEAKER_09: Except they're all real and not cutouts.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so the beginning of the verse, the second verse, um is this where we see the actual woman more than the place.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's portrayed as someone who is materialistic and promiscuous.
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  SPEAKER_03: Later, however, Hotel California again becomes more of a location, and despite the fact that this place or person is revealed to have ability to stuck to suck that spirit out of those who partake in their merriment, there are still countless people who desire to be in her company.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm reading this from Song Meanings and Facts.com.
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  SPEAKER_03: It just seems uh no fun at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: This this is very, very analytical.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh well, it sounds like they're talking about a um a succubus.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: You know, the the you know the demon entity that you know comes to people and has sex with them in their sleep.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't think I've ever heard that.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, there's succubus and there's incubus.
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  SPEAKER_09: I can't remember which one's male and female.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: I know the band Incubus.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that's where they got their name from.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is it really?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, see you're smarter than I am.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_09: I'm smart.
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  SPEAKER_09: I am smart.
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  SPEAKER_09: Send murky.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking to see if I can find a better interpretation of this song.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, here's this one is wine travelandsong.com.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh the album can be seen as a metaphor for their lives in the 70s.
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  SPEAKER_03: The story behind Hotel California is the band's rapid rise to fame.
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  SPEAKER_03: The band wrote, released, and toured four major albums, and delivered a greatest hits album that remains one of the best all-time sellers.
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  SPEAKER_03: Meaning of Hotel California can be assumed as the record industry.
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  SPEAKER_03: The band, mostly California outsiders, arrived in LA along a dark desert highway to be welcomed into the music industry.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like the welcome to a hotel that promises much, welcome to Hotel California could be welcome to the music industry.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: See, this is more like it.
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  SPEAKER_03: The album takes the listener on a journey coming in on the dark desert highway, full of excitement and expectation, and leaving broken and burnt out sailing off to La Haina.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: There is no one dark desert highway, but a reference to the path to Los Angeles and fame.
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  SPEAKER_03: Only one band member was from California.
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  SPEAKER_03: The rest were all outsiders, as we've talked about.
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  SPEAKER_03: As the title track song uh progresses, we learn about the excess or success of the record industry and the power of music.
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  SPEAKER_03: Her mind is Tiffany Twisted.
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  SPEAKER_03: Seems to be a reference to a divorce settlement.
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  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Considering the album was about the dark side of Tiffany like the the store.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_09: That's what uh that's what I get from the Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_09: She's taking all his money and right.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it was about the dark side of success.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: You can see how the valuations were in material things.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, hey, you were right.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Jewelry from Tiffany's.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: Ah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um Mercedes-Benz.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um the definite misspelling, Mercedes-Benz, B-E-N-D-S could also reference the Benz that a diver would experience if they come up too quickly.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_09: That doesn't sound right.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_09: Sounds more like, you know, bend over, here it comes again.
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  SPEAKER_09: That kind of right.
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  SPEAKER_09: You know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bohica.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um along the way, oh, I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Along the way, the songwriters Don Felder, Don Henley, and Glenn Fry add in some jabs at other bands.
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  SPEAKER_03: The line, they stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast, is a playful jab at Steely Dan.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: On the song Everything You Did, Walter Becker and Don Fagan uh wrote Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening, which is on their Royal Scam album, which was released six months prior.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I had never heard that before.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: You can check out any time you like.
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  SPEAKER_03: Could be a reference to death, a suicide, or drug overdose, but you can never leave, meaning that even after death, you are in a record contract.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_09: Well, I mean, there is that, you know, posthumous, you know, record release, you know, to you know, fulfill some sort of, you know, remaining album kind of thing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, how many albums has Tupac and Elvis and Jim Morrison put out since they died?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_09: You know what I mean?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, this is a little interesting.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: I some of this stuff I didn't know.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Don Henley said on just about every album we made, there was some kind of commentary on the music business and on American culture in general.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: The hotel itself could be taken as a metaphor, not only for the myth making of Southern California, but for the myth making that is the American dream, because it is a fine line between the American dream and the American nightmare.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: As for the guitar arrangements, uh Donfelder wrote the song after Joe Wals joined the band to replace Bernie Leadon in order to showcase the talents of the two lead players, uh, they composed that uh that guitar uh solo.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: It is a great solo.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: It is a great solo.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, it is.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it's one of those ones I've always said, I've always said that I I like uh a guitar solo that you can sing.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's so melodic that you could sing it, or you know it so well that you could you could sing it to somebody without actually playing the guitar, and that's one of them.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it's so iconic the the way they go back and forth.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, here we go.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Last thing I remember, I was running for the door.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: I had to find the passage back to the place I was before.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: Relax, said the nightman.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: We are programmed to receive.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: This song is rife with esoteric meaning.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, look at the release date.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: 222, 1977.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: That is not unlike 222, which is a number that we have seen encoded throughout this year of coronavirus.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: See, I think this is I think these people are reaching.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the length of the song is 630, which reminds me of 63.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Which is okay, this is this is from a website called Decoding Hidden Truth.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: Which I think is conspiracy theories.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the music industry is all about conditioning the masses via occult imagery and subliminal messages.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Terrorism sums to 63 under the reverse full reduction cipher.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever that means.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: They're talking about words and phrases, and uh I don't even know what this is.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just I'm just not gonna read any more of this because this is I feel like someone's probably they're probably tracking the fact that I'm actually on this website.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna get off this website right now.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, here's one put on your tinfoil hat, you're gonna be here.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh okay.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: So this one is uh Spinning Sounds uh Hotel California interpretations.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, for the first part of the series, so supposedly there was a Christian church in California that was abandoned in 1969.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Later a group of Satan worshippers, here we go, this is where this comes into play, took over the building, converting it into a satanic worship place.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Followers of this theory point to the lyric, we haven't had that spirit here since 1969.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: The spirit being the spirit of Jesus Christ.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I'm pretty sure they were talking about wine or or some other form of liquor, but okay.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's also interesting to note that the Satanic Bible was first published in 1969.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Some people even refer to the lyric before that line, so I called up the captain, please bring me my wine, as evidence that the eagles were referring to the blood of Christ symbolically portrayed in communion rituals as wine.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: The master, referred to in the lyrics, could be referencing Anton Lave, leader of the Church of Satan, supposed owner of this satanic worship center.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: So these are all this is just complete and utter crap.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's truly reaching, I think.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's crap.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's crap.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, you can under you could understand and agree with what Glenn Fry and Don Henley say about the song, which is it's about Hollywood excess, it's about drug use, it's about the music industry.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and they were just really good lyricists, you know.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_09: Well, 69, you know, that was the summer of love.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_09: Remember that?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_09: And how badly that turned out.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_09: You know what I mean?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_09: I do.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_09: Wasn't because wasn't that the end of that summer where the Rolling Stones had that concert with a with the Hells Angels?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_09: And they killed somebody and beat everybody up and all that stuff.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, and the innocence was gone.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_09: So Yep.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_09: I think that oh, that was in the American Pie one, wasn't it?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_09: Didn't we talk about that?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: It was in the American Pie one, but you're right though.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it still kind of is the same, um, it was the same era.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_09: I think it's that same idea.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, you know, kind of we haven't had that spirit here since you know the spirit of love, the spirit of you know, that summer of 69 there.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, because Jody got married and uh and then our band went to crap.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um I don't want to go any further on that.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: I just think because I think it's interesting how um a song can be interpreted many ways, it could be completely opposite of what the songwriter intended it to be.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_09: And it's so it's cryptic enough that you can make up your own interpretation.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: And that is, I'm sorry, but that's just genius songwriting.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_09: It really is.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_09: It's really I mean, if anybody can just come up with their own uh theory of what it means, I think you've done your job.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, yep, that's awesome.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: So um that wasn't uh a fantastic uh dissection of a song, but uh it certainly was interesting, and I learned some things that that I didn't know.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: So that's pretty cool.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have a Comic Crossing song of the week.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Do we have a Common Crossing Song of the Week?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: I can't think of any.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_09: We didn't we didn't have one last week either.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, we didn't.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I don't think we have one this week either, which is okay because I want to go back and I want to see what the voting is like for the uh Rock Hall uh induction.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about that a little bit, uh how the nominees were announced.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to go right now and cast my uh fan vote uh at rockhall.com.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you have to sign up, you can put your email in, or you can register through Facebook or whatever.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm going to put my first choice as Pat Benatar.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um so here's here's who's up uh Beck, Pat Benatar, New York Dolls, MC5, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, Devo, Deion Warwick, Judas Priest, Rage Against the Machine, Dolly Pardon, Lionel Richie, A Tribe Called Quest, Fella Cootie, Duran Duran, Carly Simon, and Eminem.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: So my first vote is Pat Benatar.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: My second vote, I'm gonna put in uh well, I'm gonna put in Judas Priest.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna put in Duran Duran because you get you get uh five.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna put in the uh although I love Lionel Richie, I I you know, it's it's more RB to me.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna put in uh the New York Dolls and the MC five.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: So those are my votes.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Duran Duran, New York Dolls, MC Five.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: So if I submit, I will see.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: I think I will see where the results stand.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: See current standings.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, Doug.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: Duran Duran.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is the fan vote.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: Duran Duran is in first place so far.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: With uh 390,000 votes.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Eminem is in second place, 387, 388,000 votes.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: Pat Benatari's in third place, 243,000 votes.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Dolly Parton is in fourth.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: I still don't get that.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't get that either.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: I love Dolly Parton, and that's not to take anything away from Dolly Parton, but she shouldn't be up there.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: What has she done for rock and roll?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's the rock and roll hall of fame.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Change the damn name of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if you're going to to include these people.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm and I'm fine with that, by the way.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm completely fine with changing the name of this Hall of Fame.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_09: Well, they might as well.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, Eminem is not rock and roll.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: Dolly Parton is not rock and roll.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: They're both fantastic artists and trailblazers in their genres.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: But it's not rock and roll.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_09: No.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: And and you know, and I'll you know I know you say, well, it's music and it's it's it's it's uh you know, it's the spirit of rock and roll.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: Great, but it's not rock and roll music.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I was always one to say, you know, I don't like genres and all that.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: But rock and roll is rock and roll.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's not country music, it's not hip-hop music, it's rock and roll.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I don't know how else to explain it.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: I love all of those artists, but some of them should not be in the rock and roll hall of fame.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: But we have reasons why Pat Benatar should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, right?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: You found an article.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: You found an article.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I did.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: Now, and I have not read this article, so let's see if we agree with with these.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: I can probably I can imagine that we do agree with these reasons why Pat Benatar should be in the Hall of Fame.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: I only need one reason, she's in legend.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: And she's and she's rock and roll.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go ahead.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_09: Do you know her la her her birth name is her last name is Andre Zuwski?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: I did know that because I have I not given you the the her memoirs, her biography?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Did I not let you use that?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you just haven't gotten to it.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_09: Dude, you gave me like seven.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_09: I I I can only read so much at a time.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: Her her bio her autobiography is really awesome, actually.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so yeah, I did know that.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, I was just checking.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_09: I didn't know that, so I thought that was kind of cool.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, so this is from ultimate classicrock.com.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_09: Um, the five reasons Pat Benatar should be um inducted in the hall of fame.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_09: Number one, yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_09: She owned the 80s.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, she did.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: She was like the um Do you remember when um do you remember when Desperately Seeking Susan came out, that movie with uh uh Madonna?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: Madonna.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um and everybody and after that everybody was trying to dress like Madonna did.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know who did that first was Pat Benatar.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I was about to say I thought she would Madonna got it from Pat Benatar.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: She did.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: You remember um she there was a scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont High where uh there was a woman they were all dressing like Pat Benatar in the like in the and they were looking look she looks like Pat Benatar and they all had all had uh different Pat Benatar looks.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I that's right.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_09: Well they say uh Benatar released seven studio albums during the 80s.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_09: I didn't five of them earned platinum, uh the other two went gold.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_09: Um during the same time, 15 of Benatar's singles reached the top 40.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_09: Uh and she sold 10 million albums during the 80s.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: And explain to me why she is not in the rock hall yet.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_09: Exactly.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_09: And she had Grammys for four, she won Grammys four straight years for best female rock and roll.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_09: Best female rock vocal performance.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_09: Sorry.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_09: Hello?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, come on.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, so number two, her influence spans genres, sexes, and generations.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_09: The article just died.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_09: I don't understand.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_09: Well, if you think about it, they did a uh it's too much rock for the game.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, there it is.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: You remember CMT Crossroads?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there's a show.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: CMT Crossroads, she did a crossroads episode with Martina McBride.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Martina McBride, who is a country superstar, knew every Pat Benatar song because she was a huge Pat Benatar fan.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: So you're right.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it crossed, she crossed all kinds of genres.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_09: Well, they say um Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, CeeLo Green, Avril Levine, and Alvin the Chipmunks have covered Benatar songs.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_09: I don't know what Alvin and Chipmunks have to do with it, but uh probably hit me with your best shot.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Little Kim and Pitbull have sampled her songs.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_09: Number three, she was the first female artist played on MTV.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, I knew that.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: It was the second video, too.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh does it treat me right?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_09: No, it was You Better Run.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you better run, that's right.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_09: It aired right after the very first video, which was Video Killed the Radio Star by the Buggles.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_09: Um Yeah, so she was the first one.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_09: Literally, like the very, you know.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, very first woman.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, actually, I suppose there was a woman in the buggles, but yeah, I'm sure, but you know.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_09: Uh number four, she fought for everything she got.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_09: She, you know, her says her mom was a beautician and her dad was a metal worker.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_09: So she definitely did not come for money.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_09: And uh she was inspired by Liza Minelli.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: I knew that too because I've read the book.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_09: And she married young, uh, apparently before Spider.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_09: Uh and the final one, this is kind of lame, but it just says she belongs.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_09: As a reference to we belong.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_09: We belong.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they're not wrong.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: She does belong.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_09: No, no, that's true.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: So and the fact that her and Spider went on a uh it was a few years ago, they went on their uh thirty-fifth anniversary tour.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and they're still touring.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: Not as much as they used to, but they're still they're still touring as a as a couple and as a you know, as a full band unit.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Right.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it's it's a it's a match made in heaven, and I think she belongs not that I give a lot of credence to the rock hall.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really have a good opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but um if anybody deserves to be in it, she deserves to be in it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, the fact that she's not in it yet is just unsatisfactory.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's criminal.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_09: It's criminal.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Or as my kids would say, it's really sus.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_09: It's really sus, man.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_09: Sus.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_09: Sus.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think they should, I think we should do uh one of those change.org things and petition uh them to change the name of the rock and roll hall of fame.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_09: Change it to O'Brien and Doug's rock and roll hall of fame.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, people be fighting to get into that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, they'll be like, who O'Brien and Doug?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_09: Why do they get the rock and roll hall of fame?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_09: Because we know more about it than you do.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: We're smart.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think they should call it like the modern music hall of fame or or I don't know.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because they're letting all these people.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_09: Who don't suck Hall of Fame.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, if you think about it, even though uh a lot of the people that have gone in, even though they're not my cup of tea, they're obviously in for a reason.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: They're good.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and they have a they have a following, they have a fan base, they have you know, obviously talent and and uh and a a long string of success.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um and they belong in the hall of fame, but it's just it's you know, a lot of them are not rock and roll.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, you don't see Katy Perry in the Hall of Fame.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: Give it time, dude.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_09: If when she gets in, we're shutting it down.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I like it.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_09: It is our it is our Hall of Fame once we once they change the name, you know.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like I said, I mean I'm not for I'm not one for single.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_09: Brian and Doug's people who don't suck hall.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's a clever name.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's the name of the episode.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: I love it when you name the episode just by saying something.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, and obviously you can uh take whatever we say about any of this stuff and just kind of you know um with a grain of salt because we're just we don't treat it like gospel.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: All right, let's do the uh let's climb the wall of tunes uh in just a second.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Would you are you up for that?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_09: I'm always up for the wall of tunes.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_09: All right.
• 34:07
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• 35:16
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• 35:31
  SPEAKER_09: Wow, we're back, everybody.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Time to climb the wall of tunes.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: Where since we're on Zoom, Doug gets to look at my PJs again.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_09: It's awesome.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_09: They're Spongebob.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_09: I'm just kidding, they're not.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: They're not, SpongeBob.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_09: I don't know.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_09: All I see is a green uh pull.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I haven't stood up yet.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm getting ready to stand up.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, that's a good point.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_09: But you stood up earlier and it was just green.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_09: It was like you just turned your whole screen into a green screen.
• 36:01
  unknown: Oh.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm standing up, so I guess you don't have to cover your eyes because I'm just gonna reach out.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_09: No, because I can't see crap.
• 36:08
  unknown: Hold on.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_09: I just see a green pullover.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_09: That's all I see.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_09: You know, some of my favorite things are green.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I can't hear you.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: What'd you say?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_09: I said I said all I see is green.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_09: Some of my favorite things are green.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh okay, so this is interesting.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: This would be uh I I think this will be good.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's Dolly Parton.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it's not Dolly Parton.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_09: Well, one down, 99,000 to go.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how I'm gonna play it, because the zoom feed is coming in on the same channel that we would I would play music from, so I'm gonna have to pipe the music in after.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_08: But I'll pretend.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you'll be able to do that.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_08: I'll pretend I'll miss the that's good.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good solo.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's good, that's good, that's good.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good soul.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_09: Uh is it a solo or is it a band?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's a band.
• 37:15
  unknown: It's a band.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you know if I'm not sure if we we've already done these this or not, but I don't think so.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_09: Well, we'll find out.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_09: Uh what genre?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh rock.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_09: Rock band.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_09: I'm gonna steal this question from Ryan because I thought it was brilliant.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_09: Uh is it a female lead singer or male lead singer?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: Male lead singer.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_09: Male lead singer.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_09: Height of popularity.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: The 80s.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_09: 80s.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_09: It's Duran Duran.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_09: Nope.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_09: It's um Frankie goes to Hollywood.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_09: It's not.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um think sleazy.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_09: It's the dog.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_09: It's rat.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_09: Not actually rat sleazy?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_08: I don't have any rat, to be honest with you.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: That surprises me.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't have any rat.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_09: I think that's gonna surprise me, too.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, no, maybe not as sleazy as rat.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_09: Is it crew?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_09: Is it Molly?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_09: No?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, okay.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_09: Um, is it LA Guns?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh nope.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_09: Is it Great White?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: Have we done Great White yet?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't done Great White, have we?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think no.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: We've never done Great White.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: This is this album is the best of Great White.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_09: Why'd you say sleazy?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_09: I never considered them to be sleazy.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_09: Well.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_09: Well, of course, you know, twice bitten twice shy.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, once bitten twice shy is kind of a sleazy song.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um so the first track on this album is the first track I ever heard from Great White.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: Which what do you think it was?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_09: Once bitten tri-side?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_09: Nope.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_09: No, it wasn't once bitten tri-side.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, that wasn't the first song.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: That wasn't the first song I heard, no.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_09: No, I don't know.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Rock Me.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_09: I keep forgetting that's a great white song.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um Rocky! Rock me!
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm playing a bit of it right now.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: You can comment.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_05: That's a good song.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah!
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I mean, this is I would I you know, I would say that this is their signature song, but most people would say it's probably Once Bit and Twice Shy.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_09: That's what that's what I would have said, but but this was the Well, because I completely forgot the Rock B is uh I keep forgetting that's a great white song in the first place.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: They had uh they had well their two biggest albums were Once Bitten and then Twice Shy.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, which had one of them had uh a Lady Red Light on it.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um Mr.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Bone was was on was on I think Twice Shy.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um Once Bit and Twice Shy obviously was on one of those albums as well.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: But House of Broken Love.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: Remember House of Broken Love?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, that's a great bluesy tune.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Let's I'm gonna play a little bit of that right now.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_09: That's a good song.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then after Once Bit and Twice Shine uh went huge.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: Of course it's a uh it's a um Oh geez.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: What was his name?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: Steve.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh Ian Hunter.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's an Ian Hunter song uh originally.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: Ian Hunter, who was the lead singer for Monta Hoopal.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um and he originally Was it really?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was yeah, it was an Ian Hunter, it's a cover.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: Once Witten Twice a cover.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, same.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: And it went uh it went huge!
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Rock and roll.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: It went uh it went huge.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: It was in uh most people would say it's the signature song.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then they they tried to follow it up uh with another song just like it called Call It Rock and Roll.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, little let's call it live.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Very once bit twice, yeah.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't realize that was very white too.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the angel song.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh save all I know.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: Save your love.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: Save all your love.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_08: Save your love.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: You don't know that one?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_08: Angel song, I know.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: Let me play it.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let me play a little bit of Save All Your Love.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 42:04
  unknown: Save all your love.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_05: Save your love for me.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_09: That's a good song.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_09: Why is he gonna do these songs?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: But what really threw me one time was how spot on a Led Zeppelin cover band they were.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um they're unplugged.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: They did Great White Unplugs.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, yeah.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: And like though.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they did a bunch of them, but this one is the one Stairway was one of them, I think.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_03: The um No Quarter.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: They did No Quarter.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, babe, I'm gonna leave you.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_03: Let me play just a little bit of that, and you could see what a what a just an amazing.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Jack Russell sounds just like Robert Plant.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Baby, baby, I'm gonna leave you sound I can see you like leave you in the same leave you in the summer comes out.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Leave you in the summer.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just I mean spawn version of of Led Zeppelin, and then of course uh the whole uh nightclub in Rhode Island.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Thing happened.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh which was a tragedy.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: That uh I think they did a they did a documentary on that recently.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: They they aired a documentary or something like that.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: I I read about it or something.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: That they um because it was like the anniversary uh not too long ago of of that um that tragic event in Rhode Island where they which I mean people just died for I mean it could have been it could have been prevented, could have been avoided.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, easily, yeah.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, just why I still don't understand the thought process behind having pyrotechnics inside a tiny club.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: Inside a tiny club where the walls are made of foam, basically.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_09: I mean that's yeah, it was I don't know.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_09: That's just yeah, it was crazy.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_09: That's just bad that's bad planning, you know what I mean?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: And um they didn't really recover after that.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Jack Russell and the rest of the band got into it and and Jack Russell left the band and it was touring as Jack Russell's Great White.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: Great White sued him and back and forth and back and forth.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's that's the old story.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, so it was like a Queen's Right.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was like the same type of thing.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_03: And then uh Great White got uh Terry Ilues, if I'm pronounc pronouncing that right.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: The guy that sang for XYZ.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember XYZ?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, I loved XYZ.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so they got him to to sing for them, and they put out, I don't know, three or four more albums with him.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh maybe more.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember how many albums they had with with Terry.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and then Terry went left, and um now they've got Mitch Malloy singing for them.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_09: What is that name something?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Mitch Malloy was uh Van Halen's first choice before Gary Sharone.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_09: That's that, yes.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so after after Sammy, they auditioned um uh Gary or um Mitch Malloy.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: There's actually if you go on YouTube, uh, you can find, I think, a song or two that Van Halen did with Mitch Malloy in the studio as just kind of like a audition type thing.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's pretty cool, and and he sounds great.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then they went with Gary Sharone, which I can understand why they went with Gary Sharon.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: It was a mistake.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_09: I shouldn't say it was a mistake, but well, I don't think it I don't think it turned out quite the way they thought it would be.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't think so either.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think I love Gary Sharone.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, because he that boy can sing, yeah, yeah.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_09: It just for some reason you get, you know, Van Halen and then you know Gary Sharone and just Yeah.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_09: Separately they work, but together it just didn't work.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I also think it's how how much of that do you think is Van Halen fans?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: You can't you can't do that twice.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you can't change change a lead singer twice.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: And how many how much of that do you think is Van Halen Vance is saying, okay, it worked the first time, but this time, eh, not so much.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_09: That you know, that's probably true because I mean because after that, I mean they went on, you know, they didn't do anything for a while, and then all of a sudden it was like, oh, we're gonna bring Dave back, oh we're gonna bring Sammy back, and you know, but they never did, you know, they never tried to get a new uh lead singer again.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_09: So there's there's probably uh some truth to that.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I th I think that's what it was was because I think if well let's let's theoretically, let's say Dave left the band in you know eighty eighty four, eighty five, whatever, like he did, and they didn't get Sammy, but they got Gary.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think it still would have not worked?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_09: Wait, if they got Gary instead of Sammy?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um because think of think of Yeah, I don't know.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: Think of Eddie's state of mind and he was working with a lot of synthesizers and the music that he already had.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like he had all the most of the music for 5150 already written, except for the lyrics.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: And Sam and they brought Sammy in and they just jammed and he made up the lyrics on the spot and they had basically an album in in in no time because the chemistry was there.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: So if that wasn't Sammy, if they brought Gary in and asked him on the spot to make up all these lyrics, I mean I maybe that's it.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_09: Maybe maybe it's a chemistry thing.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_09: Maybe maybe that's why Because Gary Schroom seems more of like a cerebral singer, you know what I mean?
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: The lyrics are a little bit more Yeah, and and Van Halen 3, although it had its high points, it was kind of a depressing album.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: And Van Halen is not a depressing band.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Sammy's like Sammy's darkest album was Balance, was the last album he did with Van Halen.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that was a dark album, but it still had you know great songs like Aftershock and Amsterdam, you know.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, there were some really great songs on there.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how we got to Van Yeah, I do.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: We got to Van Halen from Great White, but uh yeah.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: So Mitch Malloy is doing in four moves.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_09: That's why they named the rock and roll hall of fame after us.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_03: Is uh is singing for Great White now uh as they tour.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: Mitch Malloy.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_09: Oh Mitch alright.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: And they they got it.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I don't think they they haven't put out an album with him yet.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, you know, nobody's putting out albums these days.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um so um I'd like to I I'm curious as to what they sound like with Mitch Malloy because he's a great singer.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: He had a he had a brief solo career back in the early 90s, I know that, and had a couple of hit songs or minor hit songs.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, I'm I'm interested to see what he sounds like with uh with Great White, because the rest of the band is fantastic.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_03: Mark Kendall, great guitar player.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, yeah.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so that's the best of Great White.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: That is the album of the week for the Wall of Tunes.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: And we didn't song! Rock and roll.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't even uh we didn't even say what episode this is.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is season five, episode 15.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: 15?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_09: This is number 92, folks.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_03: Number 92.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: So we've got eight more to go till 100.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_09: 100.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_09: Big 100.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna keep going.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_09: We're gonna have a cake and uh some ice cream.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'll mention that to the wife and see if she can cater the uh the celebration for the 100th episode.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_09: Can we have an ice cream cake?
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: Doug wants to know if we can have an ice cream cake.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she says she's lactose intolerant.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's not for you.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_08: All right, well, that's cool.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, we just lost that.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, that's uh season five, episode 15.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll uh we'll wrap it up and we'll uh be back next week.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe we'll we talked to Joel Hall over the weekend, and he's all up for for doing uh an interview.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we just have to nail it down.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we just have to figure out uh when we're gonna do it.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Logistics.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because he's what they call he's he's both a principal and the assistant superintendent in his school district.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_09: He's a busy guy.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's a busy guy.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's a busy guy.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll uh we'll hook up with Joel uh at some point in the next uh few weeks before the end of the season.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_03: We have to do it before the end of the season.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_03: So that's it.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_08: Until next week, I'm O'Brien.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_08: That's a good news.
• 52:14
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