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In the fog of the Cubs’ weird season, Pete Crow-Armstrong is becoming a superstar · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
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  Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, we
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  Speaker 1: were just talking about this. We have covered a lot
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  Speaker 1: of seasons between the two of us, and this is
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  Speaker 1: shaping up to be one of the odder one of
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  Speaker 1: the harder to figure out seasons that we've ever covered.
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  Speaker 1: This team. These players very up and down, very mercurial.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't an awful weekend for the Cubs. But I
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  Speaker 1: think the last time did we record after the twenty
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  Speaker 1: three run out first, I can't even remember they Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think our last show title began with the Cubs
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  Speaker 2: are back, Yeah, and then Friday afternoon they just get
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  Speaker 2: their doors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a complete reversal of Wednesday's game. Friday was
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  Speaker 1: seventeen to one, if I'm remembering correctly. David Peterson did
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  Speaker 1: not have his stuff, was not getting the ball on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, and that's going to be a problem for
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  Speaker 1: him if he's not doing that, and the Cardinals feed
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  Speaker 1: up on. The Cubs won a squeaker on Saturday, and
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  Speaker 1: then the Cubs Salvage one. But the up and down
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  Speaker 1: nature of this season has been something that we just
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  Speaker 1: haven't haven't seen before. We'll see if the Cubs can
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  Speaker 1: make sure that it's not like a long downstretch, just
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  Speaker 1: a couple off days there. But I think Saturday was
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  Speaker 1: one of the ones. I didn't, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to enjoy my Fourth of July. I think everyone's
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  Speaker 1: fourth at least where we are was kind of ruined
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  Speaker 1: in a sense fireworks wise, But you were like, what
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  Speaker 1: happened at Wrinkley with the fog? That was an odd one.
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  Speaker 1: That was one that I just don't like. I watched
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of it. I thought when I first
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  Speaker 1: turned on my TV, I'll just get my experience. When
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  Speaker 1: I first turned on my TV to like check what
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  Speaker 1: was going on, this was before the delay had come in,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought there was something wrong with my TV
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  Speaker 1: or the broadcast. I was like, what the hell is
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  Speaker 1: with this broadcast? This is really poor quality? Like why
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  Speaker 1: does it look like this? And then I realized what
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  Speaker 1: was going on? What tell us the experience of being
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  Speaker 1: there live?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as you know, the press box has a great
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  Speaker 2: view of the whole fields, the stadium, the skyline and
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  Speaker 2: the scoreboard, and obviously you know from field level, from
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  Speaker 2: a player's perspective, it can be different with the lights
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, and you know, there are certain
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  Speaker 2: points on TV I thought it didn't look as bad
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  Speaker 2: and then as Pek Armstrong leader said like, it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of rolling in and out periodically, And at first
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was just like, you know, a fireworks deal,
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  Speaker 2: but you did not hear a ton of fireworks. And
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  Speaker 2: then you just kind of realize that Wrigley Field is
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  Speaker 2: this weird, unique sort of weather center. You don't really
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  Speaker 2: know how the conditions are going to change from one
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  Speaker 2: inning to the next, and you know, you know how
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  Speaker 2: it is hot of a like, you know, we're working
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  Speaker 2: on the PCA.
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  Speaker 1: All Star story.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're like, this is kind of weird, this fog,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, is it a thing or not? And
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  Speaker 2: then I like and I could not see the center
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  Speaker 2: field scoreboard. It had just been completely covered in fuck,
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  Speaker 2: and I was just like, like can they play in this?
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, you see like the
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  Speaker 2: umpires talking to the managers. You know, the Heaggs grounds
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  Speaker 2: keeper is out there. You see a bunch of cubs
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  Speaker 2: relievers kind of hanging out by the now the bullpen
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  Speaker 2: gate is open, and then you know, in an editor
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  Speaker 2: on Slack kind of pigmy like are we going to
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  Speaker 2: do something on this? And I was like, start starting
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  Speaker 2: the Google doc now. And it was only like a
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  Speaker 2: fifteen minute delay. It did noticeably clear up. You did
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  Speaker 2: start hearing more fireworks all of a sudden off in
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  Speaker 2: the distance in the neighborhoods were just taken together, kind
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  Speaker 2: of an only in Wrigleyville deal, and you know, Craig
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  Speaker 2: Council never see anything like it. Ian Happ, the longest
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  Speaker 2: tenure player on the team, said he had obviously seen
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  Speaker 2: sort of moments like that, you know, stretches where they're
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  Speaker 2: fog or your weird weather elements, but never like that thick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a new one. We've definitely, yeah, we've
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  Speaker 1: been there when it gets like foggy. But when I
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  Speaker 1: started to see the images and the videos of the
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  Speaker 1: when it was, you know, at its peak, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is different than what an experienced before. And when
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  Speaker 1: I heard what you said, like and others were saying
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  Speaker 1: it they couldn't see the scoreboard from the press box,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's never happened. That's yeh. It may have just
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  Speaker 1: been for a brief moment, but it was, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how you could play in that, and it
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  Speaker 1: made sense for them to pause it. But yes, just
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  Speaker 1: more weirdness and just kind of symbolic of this season
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  Speaker 1: of like don't know what to expect and kind of
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. It's just kind of gotten
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  Speaker 1: to this point where it's like throw up your hands
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  Speaker 1: and say you try and figure it out. One player
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  Speaker 1: that feels like they've developed some consistency and become kind
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  Speaker 1: of this player that I certainly didn't expect him to
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  Speaker 1: be this type of player, but he has. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Patrick. I did not see this coming for Pete crow Armstrong.
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  Speaker 1: And when I say I did not see this, I
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  Speaker 1: figured he'd have a hot stretch again this season. I
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  Speaker 1: figured he'd be a really good player this season, great
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  Speaker 1: defender speed. I did not expect the walks to pop
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  Speaker 1: like this he's got. He is at a ten point
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  Speaker 1: five percent walk rate. He's got a three eighty three
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  Speaker 1: on base percentage with his speed and like base running skills,
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  Speaker 1: that is scary. That is scary good and it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: cost him power. He's actually so ISO. If people don't
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  Speaker 1: know what ISO is, it's isolated power. It's a real
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: quick it's just basically slugging minus batting average. It's just
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  Speaker 1: what do you do, like what's your extra base percentage? Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: And he's actually a tick above last year two thirty
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  Speaker 1: five verus two thirty four, So it hasn't cost him power,
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  Speaker 1: and he's taking walks. He's much more selective. He talked
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  Speaker 1: about it council and Jed talked about it on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's something that he says kind of clicked over
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  Speaker 1: the course of the season. It was like one pitch.
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  Speaker 1: He's just looking for one pitch now. It doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: he popped up a ri Cell Glacias slider. Glacias doesn't
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  Speaker 1: throw sliders to lefties very often. He Pete's looking for
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  Speaker 1: a fastball or a change up in that situation. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going off memory, so forgive me if I got getting
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  Speaker 1: the pitch mixed wrong here. But and he saw a
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  Speaker 1: first pitch, hanging slider swung at it, popped it up
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  Speaker 1: and missed it and comes back to the dugout, How
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  Speaker 1: did I miss that pitch? You know it was a meatball.
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  Speaker 1: Bregman told him something like you weren't looking for it,
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  Speaker 1: and something clicked for Pete in that moment where it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's a strike now, if it's if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have two strikes on, you don't swing at
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  Speaker 1: it if it's not what you're looking for, because you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to do damage on the pitch. And if
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  Speaker 1: you look at his numbers, his swing rate is way down,
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  Speaker 1: and it can be a little worrisome if you see, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're not swinging at anything. Your swing rate is down
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  Speaker 1: on both chasing and in the zone. But he's still
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  Speaker 1: attacking his pitch, and I think that is it is
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  Speaker 1: a fine line and hard to walk and I've never
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  Speaker 1: really seen a guy go from like a four to
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  Speaker 1: five percent walk rate to double digits so quickly and
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  Speaker 1: not set sacrifice something. But this is rare and kind
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  Speaker 1: of special what we're seeing right now.
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  Speaker 2: We all saw it last year and certainly the year
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  Speaker 2: prior of there were these stretches where he seemed like
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  Speaker 2: a pretty easy guy to pitch to. Obviously, he's so
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  Speaker 2: talented and explosive that you know, if you made a mistake,
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  Speaker 2: he could.
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  Speaker 1: Go put one in the seats.
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  Speaker 2: But there were moments where he seems to lack a
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  Speaker 2: bit of focus. His plan wasn't as organized, he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: as disciplined in that process. And I think you see
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  Speaker 2: someone who's grown a lot, who's taken in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of information, who's heard a lot of different voices and
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  Speaker 2: kind of picked out what works for.
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  Speaker 1: Him, and it's wild.
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  Speaker 2: He's surrounded by all these players who are far more experience,
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  Speaker 2: is a very veteran laden lineup, but he's the one
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  Speaker 2: who's hardest to get out, who seems to be the
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  Speaker 2: most locked in, you know, from pitch to pitch, at
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  Speaker 2: bat to a bat, game to game, and he's really
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  Speaker 2: carried them in June, and I mean that month was absurd,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the it was five or six stats, you know,
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  Speaker 2: within a calendar month, reaching you know, X level at
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  Speaker 2: each one, and it was like Pete, Babe Ruth and
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  Speaker 2: lou Gerrigg and they did it like I think it
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  Speaker 2: was around nineteen thirty and I think Babe Ruth might
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  Speaker 2: have done it twice, but just this absurd sort of
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  Speaker 2: stats and you know, unbelievable names that he's now being mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: In the same breath as. Okay, let's make this our
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  Speaker 1: Daily Dingers segment, presented by Fan Duel. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about how this weekend was so representative of
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  Speaker 1: how Pete. One thing that Pete said to me that
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  Speaker 1: stood out he said he watched Ian Happ. I know
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  Speaker 1: he's a polarizing figure, but he always respected how Hap
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  Speaker 1: would go in slumps, but he'd take his walks. He'd
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  Speaker 1: be getting on base. There's value in that. Pete was
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  Speaker 1: not doing that if Pete slumped. Now, the value for
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  Speaker 1: Pete when he slumps is defense. But is there a
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  Speaker 1: way you can be valuable if you're not hitting? And
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  Speaker 1: this is it. He did he crush the ball this weekend? No, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he had four hits. It was a perfectly fine weekend.
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  Speaker 1: He had four singles and then he had two walks,
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  Speaker 1: and he got hit a couple of times. He was
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  Speaker 1: getting on base, like his on base percentages like I said,
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  Speaker 1: three eighty three, Like when you have a guy with
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  Speaker 1: what he can do getting on bass regularly, and it's
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  Speaker 1: what it was. It was funny, there's you know, apparently
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  Speaker 1: Jed told him in the off season or before in
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  Speaker 1: spring training, whatever, you know, the home runs are nice,
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  Speaker 1: but you're most valuable when you're on first base. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's exactly true. Craig kind of bristled
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  Speaker 1: at that. He's like, no, no, the home runs are better.
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  Speaker 1: But but Craig said, he's like, maybe what he means
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  Speaker 1: is this, you only have thirty thirty five homers. That's
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  Speaker 1: six hundred plus other plate appearances. What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to do with those? Well, because you're not going to hit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a home run every single time up, it's
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  Speaker 1: a small percentage of your plate appearances. What can you
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  Speaker 1: do in those other plate appearances and if you can
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  Speaker 1: find a way to get on base, Especially now that
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  Speaker 1: he's at the top of the lineup, you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a player that you know, there's a handful of players
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  Speaker 1: that you could say are better than him right now
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  Speaker 1: in the league. That's that's huge, huge, That is huge
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  Speaker 1: for him, that's huge for this organization and this this lineup,
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  Speaker 1: like the offense kind of revolves around him. I think
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  Speaker 1: you wrote it, he's the straw that starts to drink
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just was like, I'll use the old quote
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  Speaker 2: attributed to Reggie Jackson because like all of these, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, huge names are are kind of circling around
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  Speaker 2: Pete of like you know, whether it's the Babe and
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  Speaker 2: Luke Gerrig looking at his war numbers, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: basically the most valuable position player in baseball right now.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: I think Showhy obviously probably have a higher war overall,
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  Speaker 2: but other than that, he's right in that mix. He
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  Speaker 2: was probably not gonna win a popularity contest and the
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  Speaker 2: fan voting, but this certainly wasn't like, oh, you have
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  Speaker 2: to be on the team because every team on the
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  Speaker 2: All Star team, because every team has to have a representative.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Is easily an MVP candidate, and if he can do
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  Speaker 2: something similar to this on a consistent basis, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be an candidate every year for the rest of
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  Speaker 2: his peak. I mean, because if you're talking about on
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  Speaker 2: base skills, power and arguably the best defender in the world,
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  Speaker 2: like this is, you know, I think this is once
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  Speaker 2: again Pete sort of bailing out the Cubs, like he's
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  Speaker 2: easily the most like valuable asset they have in their organization,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. Besides, like Wrigley Field itself, like the person
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  Speaker 2: who makes this all go, like they have a ten
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  Speaker 2: game losing streak, just an awful month, and he comes
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  Speaker 2: back with like one of the best months you could
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  Speaker 2: possibly imagine individually. It's it's been impressive and it kind
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  Speaker 2: of fits within the season. Like Pete, you know, did
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  Speaker 2: not look great at the start of the season, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and he got that big contract and he there are
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  Speaker 2: times where he doesn't look like super happy, but that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: just how he's wired, you know. He has that that
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  Speaker 2: edge to him for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry about that, I was muted. So let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Cubs pitching situation here, Patrick. We mentioned it
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about a week or so ago. They added David Peterson,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: they added Bryce Wilson. Wilson was here very shortly. It
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't a long stay, but they are just trying to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: get through this period that the injuries have stacked up
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to a level that I don't think any of us
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  Speaker 1: have really seen before. Like we said, this is one
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of the weirder seasons we have covered, and I think
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  Speaker 1: this this pitching situation is part of it. They have
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  Speaker 1: a week left before it's the All Star break, kind
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of a exhale moment potentially for them if they can
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: get through these next two series. We had Jamison tye
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on out in South Bend, I believe, throw a few innings,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: maybe three and two thirds innings, and then Bryce Wilson
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  Speaker 1: is out. Jake Woodford is in. Uh, they're just trying
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to get innings. They're just trying to get through this
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: comares Drew Promerence is back. So you know, kudos to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: this team forgetting as far as they have and and
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  Speaker 1: kind of leveling up and not falling apart in a
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  Speaker 1: moment that easily could have been, you know, really difficult
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  Speaker 1: for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, Pamerance is someone
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  Speaker 2: who I'm gonna be writing out about here shortly. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: think he's kind of an interesting guy, just as someone
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: who's like thinking about retirement and wound up pitching in
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: all four playoff games the Cups won last year. Things
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: did not work out in Anaheim. It seems like things
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: rarely do out there. And you know, he acknowledged that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Like the Cubs know what it looks like when he's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: going right, like the checkpoints, the feels, the kind of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: thought process, like they are all on the same page there.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: The manager has a long history with him, It's going
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to give him every opportunity. Curious to see what ty
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: On can give them. It seems like, you know, Cabrera Poalencia,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of those other guys are you know, obviously,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: after the All Star break, and still have steps to go.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But you know, the season hasn't gone totally off the
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: rails because of the pitching injuries. And I think that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna see over these next several days. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: think we got about four weeks until the trade deadline.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Jed I really feel the other day again said that
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he doesn't expect things to really move until it's a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: lot closer towards the August third deadline, So they're gonna
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: have to churn through some guys and see what sticks.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we we got what did you say? Four weeks
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: less than that before the deadline, So I think there's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a Jed did talk a few days ago and kind
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of sorry, I don't want to start a coughing fit again.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Jed did talk a few days ago and kind of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: address the idea of, you know, what type of deadline
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they could have. It's different if you're one game over
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: five hundred and and you know, five games back in
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the division, and ten games over five hundred and five
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: games back to the division, right like that, Like where
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you are, even not relative in the standings, can impact things.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So I think there will be pitching added. What level
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of pitching it is is what the question is, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that's not coming for a little bit. So let's see
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what they can do to get by in these next
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: few weeks. But this this week is a big one.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: If you can go, you know, four and two, that's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a huge win for this For the end of this
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: season and this stretch here, we'll see where they are
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: come to All Star Break. But I think this is
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a big moment for them, and if they can get through,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I think will be Cubs fans should be feeling very
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: optimistic about where their team is and how they're doing.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: All right, let me take one more drink of water
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and I'll wrap this up. I don't know, there's like
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: something in my throat hair. So we're gonna get through
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this quickly. You need to get to the All Star break. Yeah,
• 23:22
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