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Ep. 923: Wild Horse (Mis)Management, Dr. Randall Hunts Austria, and Fishing as a Constitutional Right · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show. This week we've got Randall
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  Speaker 1: goes to Austria and tears that place a new one.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Meat Eater Live, the Christmas tour is even realer than Santa.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Roadless rule updates. Does banning drone use for shark fishing
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: save swimmers from getting mauled by sharks? The wild horse
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: situation is out of control in the American West. The
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Trump administration is taking steps to fix it. And some
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: people are, of course, pissed about that. Coloradan voters will
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: have a chance to help right the ship in November.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: An old dead dude got found in the woods a
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: long time ago thanks to a forest fire, which kind
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: of grabs you by the boo-boo, and more. Now, on
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: to our news. I'll tell you what our news is.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: One of the pieces of our news. Meat Eater Live,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: the Christmas tour, is coming your way. We are in
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: a pre-pre-sales phase here. It's a pre-presale space. Meaning these
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: tickets are not for sale. Soon there will be a presale.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: And in the genius of marketers, that means they're for sale.
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  Speaker 1: Then they will become more for sale.
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  Speaker 2: So you can't buy them now.
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  Speaker 1: It's pre-presale. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Can I buy them?
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  Speaker 2: But they will be for sale during the presale and
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  Speaker 2: the sale.
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  Speaker 1: They go on sale. At the pre-sale. They remain on
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  Speaker 1: sale at the sale. We're pre, pre-sale. So there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: you can do.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a pre, pre-sale, non-sale period.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: The more it's discussed, the more confusing it gets.
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  Speaker 1: No, no. I'm going to clean it up. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to tell you about tickets that you cannot buy. But
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: you can mark your calendar. On September 14th, you can
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  Speaker 1: buy them. On some other date later, you can buy
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  Speaker 1: them even more.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Monday, December 14th, we will be in Grand Rapids, Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: where I graduated from regular college. It was my third try,
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  Speaker 1: my third school. 20 Monroe Live. That's the venue we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be at, Grand Rapids, Michigan. That's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a hoot.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be joined by the last American smelt dipper, Matt Drolst.
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  Speaker 1: I've already got our special guest lined up for the
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  Speaker 1: night there. Tuesday, December 15th, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Turner Hall. That's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a hoot. These are guaranteed laugh nights.
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  Speaker 1: You are guaranteed. I challenge you to find someone that
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  Speaker 1: went to the Christmas show and would give it a
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  Speaker 1: thumbs down. December 16th, Madison, Wisconsin, Bubbly Doug, special guest there,
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  Speaker 1: among others, at the Barrymore. Thursday, December 17th, Des Moines, Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: Val Air Ballroom. December 18th, a Friday night. Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: Pantages Theater. Not contagious. Pantages.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, thank God.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be awesome. If they changed it to the contagious theater. Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: December 19th. What's funny about Cantagious and Pantagious, Contagious and
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  Speaker 1: Pantagious is we had to cancel the Pantagious because of
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  Speaker 1: the great contagion of 2019.
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  Speaker 2: But we also did another Pantagious.
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  Speaker 1: Did we?
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  Speaker 2: There was a Pantagious one in the Northwest that we did.
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  Speaker 1: What the hell does that even mean?
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  Speaker 2: It was a big theater guy.
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  Speaker 5: Alexander Pantagious owned 84 theaters.
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  Speaker 1: Are you just pulling it out of your ass?
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  Speaker 5: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Phil ought to know that.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a theater guy back there. Shows you how big
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  Speaker 1: of a theater guy that big theater guy is. Thank you, Nate.
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  Speaker 1: Like a teeny theater guy. Last show of the trip,
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  Speaker 1: December 19th, before everybody has to get home to their families. Fargo,
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  Speaker 1: North Dakota at the Fargo Theater. Cannot wait to see
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  Speaker 1: you guys there. Lots of prizes. Lots of laughs. Lots
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  Speaker 1: of people drinking beer.
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  Speaker 2: Some holiday cheer.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago, we did a show in Billings at the
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  Speaker 1: Alberta Bear, and we broke the booze record that had
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  Speaker 1: been held. We broke the booze sales record, which had
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  Speaker 1: been held by Rob Schneider. That's pretty good company. A
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  Speaker 1: buddy of mine, he's probably the only guy on the audience,
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  Speaker 1: a buddy of mine had been there for David Sedaris
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  Speaker 1: a few nights before we went.
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  Speaker 5: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And he pointed out, he said, man, the mask habits,
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  Speaker 1: the masking habits of the David Sedaris crowd were extremely
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  Speaker 1: different than the masking habits of our crowd. And then
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  Speaker 1: I pointed out to him that we now broke the
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  Speaker 1: booze record. And he said, well, I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot easier in reference to Sedaris. He said, it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot easier to carry two Bush lights than two Chardonnays.
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  Speaker 1: So there that is. What's this now?
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  Speaker 2: My hunting. Hunting in Austria.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, but I want to go a little bit out
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  Speaker 1: of order here because I just want to hit something
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  Speaker 1: real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: No, go ahead. No. I want to go a little
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  Speaker 1: bit out of order.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Apologies, Nate. Sure. Just while I'm fired up. I have
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  Speaker 1: a Honda 7000 EU generator. That won't fire up? I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to keep this very quick. Can you reset the
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: shot clock? Phil invented this new thing. We can tell
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  Speaker 1: how long we're spending on a topic.
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  Speaker 5: For reference, live tour is supposed to be two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It went for five. How long do I have for this?
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to borrow time from this for five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I have five for this? So you got two now. Oh, great.
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  Speaker 1: I have a Honda 7000 EU generator. It has a
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  Speaker 1: mystery ailment that no mechanic can solve. I've taken it
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  Speaker 1: to town two times to have it fixed. Both times
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  Speaker 1: it has come back not resolved. If you write in,
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  Speaker 1: don't give me any BS about fuel filters. Don't give
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  Speaker 1: me any BS about fuel pumps. This generator will run
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  Speaker 1: for hours under load and then inexplicably shut off. Then
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  Speaker 1: it'll run for hours and inexplicably shut off. No mechanic
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  Speaker 1: has the patience. To fix it, start it, put it
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  Speaker 1: under a load and let it out, run out in
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  Speaker 1: the driveway or parking lot and then go like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 1: shut up. That they don't have the patience for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there isn't something like, so pick, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have a low oil shut off. What if that
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  Speaker 1: sensor went haywire or something? Don't send me easy. Don't
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  Speaker 1: send me easy fixes. This is like it's haunted by
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  Speaker 1: a devil.
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  Speaker 3: An exorcism.
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  Speaker 1: Crystals. Yeah, it needs like an exorcism. It's old. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how old it is. It's not 10 years old.
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  Speaker 1: We have a fleet of generators. It's impossible to keep
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  Speaker 1: at least one running. A Honda EU 7000 just inexplicably
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  Speaker 1: turns off. When you start it up, it's ready to rock.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be telling me about fuel pumps.
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  Speaker 3: Steve almost didn't bring this up because he said the
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  Speaker 3: audience is only going to tell him.
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  Speaker 1: About dumb things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, easy things. So you got to really like.
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  Speaker 1: Try cleaning the spark plugs. It's like I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear about things that an idiot can fix because
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  Speaker 1: I've fixed all the idiot parts.
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  Speaker 3: Steve is challenging you.
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  Speaker 1: I need a guy that knows these things like his
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  Speaker 1: own mother.
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  Speaker 4: I'm surprised you can't find a mechanic that wants to
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  Speaker 4: charge you the hourly rate for a couple hours just
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  Speaker 4: sitting there watching the machine vibrate.
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  Speaker 1: No. It's funny. They'll work on it. I'll ship it
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  Speaker 1: to town, which is hundreds of dollars. Ship it back.
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  Speaker 1: They'll work on it. But you go like, can you
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  Speaker 1: do me a favor? Do you mind just running it?
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  Speaker 1: Like run it for a day under a load. Put
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  Speaker 1: a box fan on it. I don't care. Run it
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  Speaker 1: and see. No, that's not something we can do. Too busy. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: I run it around the clock.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if you got an idea, The Meteor Podcast at TheMeteor.com.
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  Speaker 1: Not a complex idea, but like high-level mechanic stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Subject line, mechanic. No, generator, exorcism.
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  Speaker 1: I own, I'm at the risk of running over time.
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  Speaker 1: i own a honda i own trouble no i own
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  Speaker 1: a honda a old honda eu 3000 i own a
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  Speaker 1: honda 5000 i owe a honda eu 7000 they're all
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  Speaker 1: old someone might say but it sounds like it's time
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  Speaker 1: for a new generator but i'm not there yet randall's
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  Speaker 1: back from hunting in austria yep tell me about.
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  Speaker 2: That oh it's amazing i uh I was over in
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  Speaker 2: Austria for, I think, nine days, uh, hunted roe deer
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  Speaker 2: up in Northern upper Austria, um, near the German border.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went South and hunted Shamwa or Shammy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or is it pretentious? Do they say Shamwa?
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  Speaker 2: So I got at least from the perspective of our
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  Speaker 2: host who they, they call it GAMS there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, like I've never heard that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which if you think about it, like Shamwa and GAMS,
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  Speaker 2: like you could the transition between French and German, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of words sort of.
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  Speaker 1: No. Okay. No.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Gams is the German term. And then they say, Shamwa,
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  Speaker 2: I think is the appropriate pronunciation, but then they say
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  Speaker 2: the Kiwis call it Shammy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my old man was a big fan of chamois cloths. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he called them a chamois cloth. He didn't call
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  Speaker 1: it a chamois cloth.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: But they pronounce it chamois.
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  Speaker 1: It's not chamois.
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  Speaker 2: I like saying gams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then a buck is a gams buck. Like a
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  Speaker 2: gams buck, but a gams buck.
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  Speaker 1: Gams buck and a chamois are not the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a word. It's gams. A gams buck. A
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  Speaker 2: gams is a chamois and a buck is a buck.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a gams buck. a Gems buck is a Gems.
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  Speaker 1: That's a buck.
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  Speaker 4: This is more confusing than the presale presale.
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  Speaker 1: This could create problems. Cause picture that you're in a
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  Speaker 1: situation where you're like you're with your kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a Gems buck and a Gems buck together,
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  Speaker 1: but one is strictly forbidden. Right. And you're yelling, shoot
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  Speaker 1: that Gems buck. And they shoot the wrong one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, So anyway, the roe deer hunting was, was very cool.
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  Speaker 2: They rut in the middle of the summer. So they
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  Speaker 2: have a delayed implantation of the fertilized egg. They, they
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  Speaker 2: start rutting, gosh, like 60 or 80 days after they
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  Speaker 2: give birth to their fawns. And they, they rut in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the summer so that the theory- The
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  Speaker 2: theory goes that they aren't going to stress themselves with
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  Speaker 2: all the rutting behavior and activity in the lead up
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  Speaker 2: to winter. So they can rut. The egg gets fertilized.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't implant in the uterus until December or so.
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  Speaker 2: So it's weird to be hunting bucks in the rut
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  Speaker 2: when it's 90 degrees out. But they're really active.
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  Speaker 1: It's that hot there. Yeah. But you're in a high elevation.
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  Speaker 2: There we weren't so high, but I mean, Europe has
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  Speaker 2: had a pretty hot summer, a lot of wildfires. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any smoke, but it's kind of like coyote hunting.
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  Speaker 2: You go to a stand, you call for 45 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Then you go to another stand, you call for 45 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's deer there, they come in. They might
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  Speaker 2: come in stealthily. They might come ripping in. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any that came into like five feet or 10 feet,
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  Speaker 2: but they will do that. Uh, we had some that
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  Speaker 2: came into 20.
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  Speaker 1: What percentage of stands were you having seeing does or
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  Speaker 1: Heinz or whatever they call them?
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  Speaker 2: At least, at least half.
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  Speaker 1: What? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of deer. The other cool
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  Speaker 2: thing is the other cool thing is when you're driving
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  Speaker 2: around in upper Austria, you think it's like the most
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  Speaker 2: hunting is placed you've ever been. We were never out
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  Speaker 2: of sight of two, uh, like tower blinds. Like when
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: you're driving down the road, if you just stopped and
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  Speaker 2: looked around in a circle, you're gonna see half dozen
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  Speaker 2: tower blinds in any given direction.
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  Speaker 1: It's like driving around Doug's place in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like Michigan too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then we were sitting, at one point we were
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  Speaker 2: sitting by the lake at this cafe. I was talking
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  Speaker 2: with my host just about the hunting culture there. And
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  Speaker 2: I was saying, this is the one place where we
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen a hunting blind. And then we look across
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  Speaker 2: this lake that has sailboats and people out and everything.
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  Speaker 2: And you can see there's a little clearing up in
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  Speaker 2: the woods. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's a
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  Speaker 2: blind up there.
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  Speaker 1: And it was.
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  Speaker 2: So we were never out of sight of a deer blinds.
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  Speaker 1: Homemade or do they buy an American made blinds?
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  Speaker 2: No, they're all homemade. A lot of them, it's like
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  Speaker 2: milled out of local timber. It's not like dimensional from
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  Speaker 2: the hardware store or anything. And a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: are old. I climbed up in one tree stand that
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  Speaker 2: was probably 30 or over 35 feet high. And the
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  Speaker 2: crotch board was grown in over the tree, like more
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  Speaker 2: than halfway to the point that the two, the two
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  Speaker 2: big trunks of the tree were almost touching.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: It subsumed the whole crotch board.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So just, it was really cool to see that hunting culture.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously there are fewer hunters over there and it's harder
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  Speaker 2: for someone to become a hunter because hunting is tied
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  Speaker 2: to land ownership and the tag allocation is tied to
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  Speaker 2: the land ownership. They either have, if you have a
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  Speaker 2: big enough property, you have sort of your own quota
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  Speaker 2: that you're required to fill by the state. If there's
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of smaller properties, they make what's called a
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  Speaker 2: community hunt where they sort of have a hunting HOA
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  Speaker 2: that the state facilitates. And then off of those properties,
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  Speaker 2: they have a quota they have to hit. So what
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  Speaker 2: they do is they build exclosures and someone will come
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  Speaker 2: out from the state with the property manager and they'll
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  Speaker 2: look at what impact the wildlife are having on the
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  Speaker 2: area outside of the exclosure compared to inside the exclosure.
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  Speaker 1: To make a determination.
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  Speaker 2: To make a determination of what the load of the
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  Speaker 2: wildlife is on the landscape.
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  Speaker 1: Really? That's how they do that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really interesting, especially with the road here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: How big of an exclosure do they make? Just like
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  Speaker 1: a sample patch.
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  Speaker 2: They're like 20. The ones we looked at were probably
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  Speaker 2: like 20 yards by 20 yards. And they go and
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  Speaker 2: they count the species. They count the density of growth.
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  Speaker 2: And so you'll just be driving through this big estate
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  Speaker 2: and you'll see different exclosures.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I'd be in there fertilizing that little thing and like.
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  Speaker 2: And what's, what's really interesting is like they, when they
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  Speaker 2: talk about how they manage the roe deer, they talk
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  Speaker 2: about it almost in the same, cause there's a, the
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  Speaker 2: forester manages the wildlife as well. So each property will
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  Speaker 2: have like a forester and he'll tell you how many
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  Speaker 2: board feet are coming off that property. And he'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you how many deer coming off that property. And he'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about managing for different age classes with the wildlife
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  Speaker 2: in the same way that they're talking about managed for
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  Speaker 2: different age classes within the forest. And they're like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't talk about any of it.
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  Speaker 1: On its own.
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  Speaker 2: It's all part of this holistic view of how they
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  Speaker 2: manage the property. It's wildlife and trees.
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  Speaker 1: Do they name bucks? No.
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  Speaker 2: He said some of the bucks, like some of the
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  Speaker 2: bucks people will know. They don't name them, but.
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  Speaker 1: They'll know all split times and... No, they.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't encounter that, but they said there
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  Speaker 2: will be guys that get to know certain bucks over
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  Speaker 2: the years. But it's not like they get reserved for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: It's just sort of the forester will know that this
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  Speaker 2: buck exists. They live in pretty small territories and they
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  Speaker 2: run through the woods like antelope out on the prairie.
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  Speaker 2: Like we saw a buck chasing a doe and it
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  Speaker 2: looked like birds weaving through the trees, just. Really active.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we saw deer every day. We had deer
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  Speaker 2: come in. When they spook, when the buck spooks, if
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: he wins you, they'll bark.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Like what?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Like the first time I heard it, I thought it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Was a dog. Really? That's his warning call.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they also, the other thing is they have
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: right to roam over there. So people, even though we're
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: on private property, people from the community come out to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: walk their dogs or ride.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Their bikes and stuff. Scotland has that right to roam. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't. It doesn't mean you can hunt. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the same deal.
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  Speaker 1: You can roam, but you can't hunt.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Same deal here. And there's some restrictions on the roads,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: like some roads you can bike on some, you can't,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: but we like the, when I shot my first buck,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it was early in the morning and I'm glad we
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: shot it when we did. Cause 15 minutes later, there's,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, some old ladies walking their dog on the road,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: right past us and guys riding their bikes past us.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So it was really interesting to see that how, how, um, interwoven, um,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: hunting is with just people getting outside like it's on
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: public land but it is private.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Is there is there any public opportunity out there.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Um no if there is it's very very very limited
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: um it's it's all private land from my understanding and
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: um to become a hunter over there you have to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: go through a very serious hunter ed course that involves
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: um You have to learn about tracking dogs. You have
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to learn about all kinds of stuff. You have to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: learn how to analyze the organs of the deer for
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: signs of disease. Because when you harvest a deer, it's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: going to go to market. So that's the other side
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of it, is the deer, once it's killed, it doesn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: become the property of the hunter. It becomes the property
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of the state. And so.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Hold on, back up. Huh. Like, by... That's just... You
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: have no right to have a bite of that thing. No.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, from what I understand, the hunter could buy
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it back from the estate, but it's the property of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the estate.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you said the state. No, no. Sorry.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: The estate. Yeah. It makes total sense. I thought you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: meant like Austria. Right. No, no. It's property of the estate.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And they talk about it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: You probably say the same thing technically. No, I guess
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you couldn't. No, no, I get what you're saying.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Because when you buy a tag here and you put
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: your tag on that animal, that animal is now your property.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the estate could be like, hey, let's party
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and cook the whole thing up or whatever. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And we did one of the animals, when we went
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: chamois hunting, we were going to take this chamois to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the butcher who processes them.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Did you get one? Yeah. Was he up in the mountains? Yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were in steep, steep, high country. I shot
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: two yearlings. So it's very much like a cull program.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The big bucks, you only can hunt them in the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: rut because they live very solitary lives in the timber.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But I shot two. The most memorable part of that
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: is the angle that you're shooting and then the recovery.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So we got into some sketchy stuff on the recovery.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Chris Gill compared it to the mountain goat hunt.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, Ridge Pounder was with you? Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: And he got stuck a couple times and our host
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: had to come up with his big Austrian trekking staff
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and jam it in the side of the mountain under
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: his feet so he could have a foot.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I also fell when we were coming down with the chamois.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I passed it off to, I was dragging it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Because it's how big?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're like, it's like a dog. They're like, 60
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: pounds maybe. You know, people use that all the time,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: but dogs are such different sizes.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's a great point. I don't think it's that helpful.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: That's a great point.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It's like a 60-pound dog.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It's like a whale. What kind of whale?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I think one of the roe deer that we weighed,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: it weighed, gutted, it weighed like 15 or 16 kilos.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So like 30, mid-30 pounds.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Easily carried over your shoulder. And the shamaw were smaller
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: than that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Actually, with the roe deer, one of them, we gutted
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: it and then cut the, you know how Heather does
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the backpack thing?
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They have a thing where they make a little suitcase.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So you cut the tendon, you put the legs through,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and then you fold it, and then you just walk
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: out with a little suitcase.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I fell coming off one of the chamois
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: recoveries and had one of the Austrian mountain staffs with
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: me that uses like a self-rest. And I slid down
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: this grass. They were actually filming at the time, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I slid out of the frame of the camera because
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I went down so fast.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It's going to look good.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: It's going to look good.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: In the film.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I slid between the rocks.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Faster than they could move the camera.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I had enough time in my mind. I was like, shit,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: maybe I should push harder on this thing to stop.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And then I did that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And then I had time to think, I guess I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: need to push harder than that. And I had several
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: conversations with myself about whether I was applying the appropriate
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: amount of pressure. But we were bringing one of those
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: chamois to the butcher who butchers them for market.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And we went to this little house, but at what
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: point does the estate transact? Do they transact at the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: counter selling finished cuts? Do they transact at the butcher?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So they, I don't know exactly how the money changes hands,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: but they, like where we hunted roe deer, they have
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: one butcher pretty much that does everything for them. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we went to him and his daughter was there she
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: spoke English. So she explained it, but they both showed
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: us how they met, how they like what you'd see
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: in the package. So like they'd laid it out, you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: two tender, two back straps and two tenderloins that do
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the rear, like the big rear muscle group, everything's attached
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and just gets wrapped up like that. So you can
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: cut it how you want. They make stew meat, they
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: make burgers, they do all the sausage products. I ate
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: all of, I did actually eat all of the sausage
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: products they make.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Um, But then when it's marketed, you can see on
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the packaging the forest that it comes from and the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: name of the estate.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But you're seeing it for sale where? At the butcher?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Or he's passing it along to the grocer?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: You can buy them at the grocer. You can buy
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: them at the butcher. The butcher has a vending machine
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: actually out on the road that only sells wild game.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And so you can go up and there's, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like a pack of steaks. There's a, you know, there's
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a tenderloin. There's a bunch of summer sausage. There's fresh broth.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: You just chugged quarters into that thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, swiping. I swiped the meat eater. business card in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it probably a dozen times. Because we had to get
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: all the different angles for the film.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Val's sitting there like, what in the world? I know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. Val's like, I'm turning this card off.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It was almost like we could have recorded the noise,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: because I would swipe it, and it would go beep,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and then the thing would go thunk, and then my
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: phone would go ding, with the, like, please explain this expense.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And we just did that over and over and over.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: What were the prices like?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: It's like a pack of.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Frankfurters. So like just a pack of road to your
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: hot dogs. I think it was like six or seven.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Euros, something like that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like probably eight, nine, $ 10. But yeah, it's really interesting.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You know, it's obviously like a self-contained system that works.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It's so foreign to us in terms of how the wildlife,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: how the opportunity is allocated and what happens to the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: meat afterwards. But, um, they, they, even though it would
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: seem very transactional. And, you know, again, it's a lot
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of it's calling and management. And you sort of think
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of that as like, not very romantic. Like there's still
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: this very serious tradition and culture and romanticism around hunting
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: these animals.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But it's like, it's regarded as a thing of enjoyment
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: or a chore. Absolutely.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: It's a thing of enjoyment.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And, and, um, and like, there's still that same passion,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: even though it's very different from what we do. You know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: when I think of guys that are culling 200 deer
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: off of an estate or off of a property i
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: sort of think of that as like whack them and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: stack them you know and this was like you know
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: we could have sat on a field edge and shot
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: shot bucks you know at dawn and dusk whatever but
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: we were you know the only way phil hunts them
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: who's my host on the deer hunt it's like you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: go into the woods and you call them.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Well it's too bad you went all the way to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: austria and there's a guy named phil yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Anyway He didn't have a more Austrian. I'd want a
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: guy with a crazy name. His cousin is Matthias, which
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: is good. And then chamois hunting, I went with Paul.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: It's like Phil. I already know a ton of Phils. Yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I know. I got a lot of Phils. I got Phil.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, super, super cool experience. And like the amount
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: of hospice, like the first five days, I don't think
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: we ate outside of someone's dinner table. Every night they
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: were cooking roe deer.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Was that right? Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And we pretty much only.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Ate wild game.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Um, cause they, you know, they sell it, but they
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: also eat it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So when they bring a bunch of deer to the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: butcher for them to sell, it's like, we're going to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: take this one. And the butcher sent us home with
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a big thing of sausage to, to cook out that night.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But it's totally different, but that was like being in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: at like the camps in Africa. Yeah. Um, there is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: no domestic meat option. Yeah. Jimmy, it's like, it's just,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: every meal, it's always wild game. Yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You know, and we had, I mean, I think the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: last night when we had this big dinner with all
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the families, um, and the kids and everything, we probably
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: had 20 people there. Uh, we had rodeo backstraps. We
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: had rodeo, uh, steaks from the rear quarter that had
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: been marinated. We had rodeo brats. We had rodeo Franks.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: They do another thing where they wrap the Frank in
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: bacon and do that. I mean, it's, Kind of feel
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: like you're in Texas at some points. But we probably
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: had roe deer five different ways.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Is that the favorite of the chamois and the roe deer?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Is roe deer the good one, or do they like
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the chamois too?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I can't say. I don't think there's a chamois harvest
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that's as, just in the numbers, I don't think it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the same. So roe deer, like when you buy dog
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: food there, when they go to the butcher, all that trim,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like everything that you put in your scrap pile or
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: maybe give this to the dog, that goes to a
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: dog food processor. So you can buy a can of
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: dog food that says, in German, roe deer, and then
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the dogs eat basically burger.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: God, there's got to be some good dogs. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And that was the other fun thing is we hunted
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: deer and chamois with dogs the whole time. Like we'd tie,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: we had the, Bina was the dog that came with
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: us roe deer hunting.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: What's his job?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You'd climb up in the stand, you'd tie her to the,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to the ladder and she'd just sit there silently. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: then once you shoot, she's just fired up and you
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: take her to the blood trail and let her loose.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, her job is fine.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they trail everything with dogs.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Even if you saw it like lay dead out in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the field?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just good practice.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: What breed?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Just good practice. Bina was like a fox terrier. She
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: was like a tiny little, she was 13 and pretty deaf.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: except for the gunshots. And then the dog we took
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Shamaw hunting, I'm not going to remember, I can't remember
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the breed of Ixie, but she was a bigger dog.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Almost like, yeah, she was kind of a hound, like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a short hound, but not like what you'd think of,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: not like Mingus, but like a shorter kind of hound dog.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: What was their general attitude? Do they hang out with
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of Americans? Were they hip to what Americans
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: are all about?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have a business selling dogs American hunting
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: brands over in Europe. So they're, they're a retailer for
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: first light, um, and FHF and they, they travel the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: U S a lot. Um, and they're familiar with this.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So one, one of the funny things was Phil, when
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I went to go hunt Shamal with Polly, other Phil, Philip,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: when I went to go hunt Shamal in Southern Austria
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: with Polly, I was like, Phil, are you going to
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: come down? And he goes, it's like, ah, you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: What you're asking me to do, he's like, this is
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the first week of August. What you're asking me to
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: do is to ask a Texas whitetail nut to leave
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: his whitetail spot in the middle of the rut. He
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: had that analogy up his sleeve. They're very conversant.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I was in Italy this summer and all the Italians
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: have to come up and tell you how much they
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: hate Trump, but they don't hold it against you. Did
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you find that kind of thing going on there? Was
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: everything political? No, we didn't. Not at all.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: We didn't talk politics. I mean, the other, the one
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: political thing that came up is in southern Austria, the wolves.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Wolves.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And actually, while we were there, there was a grizzly
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: a brown bear spotted in the same Valley that we
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: were in.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And we found out two days later, but they have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: wolves coming in and it's a very hot button topic.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So it was interesting to have those conversations, um, sort
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of in parallel. What's what going on?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Was the flavor the same? Very much so. On the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: wolf question, the flavor's the same.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, just a super... Can't wait to see the.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Video, man. How much video minutes are you going to get?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: What is this, a two-pack? Is it a one-pack? What
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: That's yet to be determined. I think it's definitely a two-parter.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Garrett this morning said maybe it's a two-hour thing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: A film? I've never watched that. I don't know about that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not throwing that out there. He gave a number
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of terabytes.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what terabytes mean. Well, what I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: would do I would make it like a two or
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: three parter. Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: That's sort of how I imagine it. But I'd give
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: people a rest. We also went to a gun maker
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: in a town where they've been making guns for more
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: than 500 years. We went to a gun maker that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: produces 12 rifles a year. They're all hand engraved.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Ain't giving those away. No, no.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: But they're beautiful, like old world double rifles and drillings
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and fearlings, which is a four-barreled rifle.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And we just got to hang out with those guys
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and film them as they as they did stock work
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and shit.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: It was, yeah. So this is like a cultural immersion.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It was a very, it was a very, it felt
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: very lucky to be able to do this. And our
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: hosts just like rolled out the red carpet.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Talk about a four barrel rifle. And it was like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: surely he doesn't literally mean four barrels on a rifle. Okay.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: But I'm seeing a four barrel rifle here. Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And the, and the thing that you realize, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: if you talk double rifles, the big thing is regulating
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the barrels. So they hit the same point of aim.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And he's like, think about a fear link. Because then
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: when you have four barrels and you mess with this one,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: it messes with all the other ones. He's like, you'll
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: just drive yourself insane trying to regulate four barrels.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I was talking to a guy about that. It never
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: occurred to me, that whole process of putting that thing
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: together and ever getting the two barrels around the same program.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Because you've got to do a lot of tweaking because
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the harmonics are different.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: But then you double the number of barrels and you
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: quadruple the number of connections between barrels. Because two barrels,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: they're just connecting in one place.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Great point.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I assume one trigger on a four barrel gun.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think there are four triggers.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: You know our saying, give them both barrels. Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I've never heard that. Give them both barrels.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: How would you not have never heard that?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Give them all four. Give them all fear.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Give them all four barrels. That don't sound good.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That'd hurt.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, it was like a full-on cultural
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: immersion and just super lucky, super grateful to do that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And our hosts were just the best.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You didn't grow up with like old men talking about
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: giving them both barrels?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: That one, that's escaped me.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, give them both barrels.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You might say something like that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: You mean business if you say both barrels.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's like no one wants to get shot
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: even by one shotgun barrel. But imagine that they give
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you both. It's terrible.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: One last thing for me.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to hit the deer call?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can, yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look at that thing.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You can turn it around. It's like, who's that playwright
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that if you produce a gun, it better go off?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Is that him? No, it's Chekhov. Chekhov? Big theater guy
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: over here. Yeah. That's the noise they make?
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: It sounds great.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That's the dough.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: It's like the little kids were laughing. The little kids
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: over there, the kids of our hosts gave this to me,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: and one of them has a a call made out
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of the other antler from the same deer. And they
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: thought you sucked at it? Yeah, they thought I sucked
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: at it. And then I got some lessons and I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: sucked less at it. Yeah, you just sit there and call.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Just like that?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Constantly.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Not loud?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Constantly?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Constantly.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: That can't be how they behave in nature.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You might pause for a minute or two here and there,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: but you start calling with a fawn call, which is
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like a squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, and then you'd
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: hit the doe call. And yeah, it was very different
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: from the deer hunting that I'm used to. One last thing.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a picture right there. Look at that sucker, man.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So we watched like all that stuff down there is
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: hand engraved and then inlaid with the gold.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: We're looking at one of these guns and I didn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: realize this. He's got like a shotgun. Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: 20 gauge shotgun.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It's like the breach is open. On the bottom, at
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the 6 o'clock position, sits a 20-gauge shotgun. At 3
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and 9, you've got some kind of centerfire rifle, like
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a larger caliber.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's like an 8x57.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: It's two 8x57s, a 20-gauge, and one. 22 Hornet.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And so then at the 12 o'clock position, sits a. 22. Dude,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you're ready for action. Yeah, yeah. He's like, I don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: give a shit what comes out of them bushes. Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and this is.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So, so typically when you have two barrel, when you
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: have two rifle barrels in a shotgun barrel, like a,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like I've always known that as a drilling.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And it's a term you've heard. And I didn't realize
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: this cause he, then he says it. So four barrels
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of feeling. And I realized a drilling is a dryling
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: cause dry is three and we just bastardize it to drilling.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: But that's where that term comes from. I never understood
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: what drilling was, but yeah. So anyway, you know, you.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Got like Frank of, files and what's the guy way
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: into austria.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know it might be a germana file no
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: yeah i'm getting there getting there.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Um saturday october did you drink all kind of beer
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: where you at on beer drinking right now what do
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you mean where am i at are you because everybody
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: i know is always quitting this and quitting that are
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you like a beer drinker right now big time okay.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: So were you drinking all kind of yeah the problem
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was the real problem was you go to Germany and Austria,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and you can drink all this beer because it's four
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: or 5%. It's all very light lagers. And then you
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: go to Sydney and I went to Belgium for a
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: couple of days and you go up there and it's
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: all 9%. And so like, you have to re you
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: have to re-regulate, pull all the levers and re-regulate your intake.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: You have to put on, you have to turn on
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the choke. Um, but anyway, that was great.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of beers, a lot of sausages, a lot
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of schnitzels.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'll take them schnitzels, man. That's for sure.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, on to the punt gun. Oh, sorry.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry, one more thing.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: What do you keep saying that?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Tailgate tour.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's totally different.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It's totally different, but it also falls under this. So
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: tailgate tour, we're kicking that off again. We've got four
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: stops coming up in the next month. This Saturday, August
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: 29th in Missoula, Montana.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I will be there.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Clay Newcomb will be there for the Grizz taking on
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the Southern Utah Thunderbirds. So kickoff is at 7 p.m.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: this Saturday, August 29th. We will be out there from
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: 5 to 7 in the Fan Zone, which is one
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: of the official tailgating areas near the stadium. Come say hi.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: We've got games. We've got free stuff. And Clay Newcomb
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: will listen to every single one of your hunting stories
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: told in its fullest detail.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: He even wants to see the pictures.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: He'll want to look at all the pictures, even the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: ones that are just slightly different angles.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Randall, the problem here is that you guys are only
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: there for two hours the next weekend. I'm going to
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: be at the tailgate tour at North Dakota state.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: And we are doing that from nine to two 30
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: or so.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: So way more stories and a lot more beer drinking.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, this is, yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So this is the official tailgating hours because we're part
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of the university tailgating area. It's open from five to seven.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: So we have that bookend built in, but yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: That's great. Uh, that'd be great. Everybody can come find
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: those guys at Washington grizzly stadium. The, uh, uh, Grizz
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Thunderbird game. August 29th, this Saturday.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: On the punk gun.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: You're not going to talk about the other stops? No.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: No, I actually asked Jen. There's more stops. You can
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: go to the website and check them out.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: TheMeteor.com slash events. Alright, the punk gun. We bought a
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: punk gun back in 2022. We bought this thing so
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: long ago that The people who approved the budget for
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: me to spend $ 20, 000, they just don't work here anymore.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: They died of old age.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. The punt gun, not saying it killed them.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Or they were fired for reckless spending.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: The punt gun may have played a role in this
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, I know. Even internally, I got
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to go, do you remember that punt gun? People are like, no. No.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: That's how long ago it was.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: When they call me out for spending all the money
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: on the vending machine meets, that's exactly what I'm going
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to say. Remember the punt gun?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: It's gonna pay off someday.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: 2022, we bought that. We shot the punt gun. We
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: made a video in 2026. You can watch the video.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It's called Firing a 140-Year-Old Punt Gun. It's on our
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel. We then decided to turn around and sell
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: it through the same folks that we bought it from,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: which is Rock Island Auction. They're the world's biggest dealer
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of fine and collectible and historic firearms. That auction happened
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: this last weekend. Their estimate publicly on their website, was
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: 20 to $ 30, 000, which we paid 20,000 for it. Privately, quietly,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: they were like, well, you know, maybe 40,000 if like
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the right bidder gets in there. The bidding started, it
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: shot past 50,000 very fast. There were a lot of
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: bidders involved up to that point. Beyond 50,000, it dropped
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: down to just two people. It got up to 100,000.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I was told that in the room, the folks were giddy.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: There was some laughter involved, which is a good thing
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: at a gun auction. They told me if people are laughing, that's... Because.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a laugh, like, you got to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: be kidding me.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh, okay, yeah, all right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Now, the people bidding, this is like, they're bidding, this
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: is an online auction?
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It is happening in person in Bedford, Texas, but you
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: can participate online. You can participate on the phone. When
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I bought it, Originally, I was just bidding from my
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: house in Bozeman, um and i was on the phone
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: with somebody who was there in person at the auction
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: uh that is you know on your behalf raising their
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: hand and then placing a bid gets up to 100
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: 000 bidding ends at 117 500 yes uh so almost
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: 100 000 more than what we paid for it All
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: of that money is going to the land access initiative.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Rock Island is waiving our fees to make sure that
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: even more money goes to conservation.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: That's huge.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I also have heard from the person who won the
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: punt gun. Rock Island is waiving their shipping fees involved.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Which is a tremendous thing to ship across the country.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it weighs 40 pounds.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: It weighs a lot. It goes on multiple pallets.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It weighs a lot more than 40 pounds. What do
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: we weigh it at?
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I never got to point it around.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I think it was $ 70 or $ 80. It goes on
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: multiple pallets. It gets special shipping involved. Rock Island is
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: waiving the buyer's fees because they were so thrilled about
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: the price. The buyer is Brandon from North Carolina. He
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: did reach out. He said he came into the day
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: with his top dollar at $ 50, 000. He wasn't going to
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: go beyond that. He got carried away. He got carried away.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: He said he really doesn't like it. He was drinking
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: them German beers or something. Good auctioneer.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Brandon told me he really doesn't like to lose. So
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: it got up to $ 50, 000, and then he just kept going,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and the auction just unraveled, and he won it. Brandon
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: sounds like a fun guy.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: But it was the first time that they've ever sold
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: a punt gun. This is an important detail. Yes, it is.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't account for the price, but this is the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: first time they were ever able to sell a punt gun.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Where they can say, this is a functioning, usable punt gun.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Confirmed that it works. We had a shell for them
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: that the buyer could then make their own shells. They've
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: seen it work on a YouTube video. Brandon didn't say
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: this is why he spent the money, but Rock Island Auction,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: they do a tremendous job of making every auction feel
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: like a really big deal. And if you like watch sports,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: this is something that sports fans will criticize or compliment
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: networks on. They're like, You know, ESPN does a really
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: great job of making this Sunday night football game or
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Saturday night football game feel like the biggest deal in
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the world. Rock Island does it every time. They like
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: really hype it up. They do a great job. And
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I could see how someone like Brandon comes in, you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, $ 50, 000. They end up spending $ 117, 500.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: You know what we're working on for the show? What?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: We're bringing in, for the interview show, we're bringing in
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: an auctioneer.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Who auctions off what?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Bringing in a livestock guy but my main it'll be
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a short interview i'm gonna be like why do you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: guys talk like that yeah that's the main thing i.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Look forward to that explanation i hope he explains it
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: nate already knows the truth nate already knows from the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: pre-interviews it's gonna be great because then we're gonna learn
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: how to auction yes we're gonna do it in here
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and everybody can come and we're gonna learn how to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: do that whole little deal.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. If you want to learn to auction, I think
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: you go to like a one week seminar and you
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: leave there.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: No, we're bringing in, we're bringing in world champions. You
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: go to auction school. Yeah. But no, we're not, we're
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: not bringing in school kids. We're bringing in world champions.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Potentially the triple crown auctioneer.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: We're courting the triple crown world champion. If that is
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: not some school kid.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a big deal. Now here's, here's like the,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the coolest thing. You don't know this yet. Steve, our
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: punt gun sale is a new world record. This is
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: now the most money anyone has ever paid for a
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: punt gun, making it the most valuable punt gun on earth.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. It's like Rembrandt or something.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Nobody has ever bought or sold a punt gun for
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: more than $ 117, 500. You're telling me we.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Sold the most valuable punt gun? It's not our punt
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: gun anymore, Spencer.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Dude, I wish people kept up on Wikipedia pages like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they used to because that'd be the best thing in
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a Wikipedia page.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Brandon, the buyer, he's not aware of this yet either.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: He now owns the world record, the most expensive punt
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: gun in the world, which with collectibles... Something is only
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: worth what someone's willing to pay. And so he set
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the price and now he owns the world's most valuable
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: punt gun. Rock Island, they set some other world records
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: during this. It was the first sale ever that had
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: two guns fetch over $ 1 million. One of them was
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the Bonnie and Clyde shotgun that sold for a million dollars.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: It's now the most expensive shotgun ever. They also sold
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: a German military tank. Yeah, the Bonnie and Clyde thing
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: was like the biggest deal. That was the crown jewel
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: of this auction. They also sold a German military tank
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: for $ 1 million. Again, the first time at a firearms
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: auction that two items went for over a million. And
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Bonnie's shotgun is now the most expensive shotgun in the
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: world as well. So the most expensive shotgun and the
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: most expensive punt gun.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I'd pay a lot for?
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: What?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I'd pay a lot for the shotgun that was used
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to kill the man that killed Robert.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Ford.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: The gun that killed Robert Ford, who killed Jesse James.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: You want that one?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I want that shotgun.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Ask Rock Island. They might track it down.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Witnesses say it nearly cut Bob Ford in half. Wow.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Other witnesses say it cut his head in half.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: He was a slight man.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: The Bonnie and Clyde shotgun, it's the one that she's
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: holding in a photo where she's got the barrel shoved into,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I think, Clyde's guts. They're just like posing for a photo,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: but that is the shotgun. My understanding is they didn't
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: know that existed until like a year ago. It kind
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: of just showed up and they're like, oh, my gosh.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: This is and they were satisfied with the provenance.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: They I guess they tracked down that like this is official.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: It's actually Bonnie and Clyde's gun. Now the most expensive
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: shotgun in the world. Again, thanks to Brandon for setting
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: that world record. Rock Island for helping us create more
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: money for conservation and meat eater for funding this big
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: dumb idea of having a punt gun.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: What a happy ending.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: That's the end, man. No one's ever going to bring
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that up again on this show, I can tell you
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Whenever I buy a new gun, I'll be like, Sidney,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you've got to think, this could be worth $ 120, 000 someday.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: No.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: If I was her, I would say.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: That.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: AMA solicitations. In September, we're doing an Ask Me Anything
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: episode with Steve.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Which will be the new show.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Which will be the new show.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: For that week.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: For obvious reasons, everyone is gone in September. And so
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: this is what we're going to do. It's going to
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: be great.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: It's going to be the best episode we've done. I'm
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: excited to hear Steve. Steve, here's the deal. You need
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: to send in good questions that are brief. I will
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: not read long questions.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Send them to The Meat Eater Podcast at TheMeatEater.com.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: If you put them in the YouTube comments, I'm probably
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: not going to see them. And so email me. The
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: window closes September 3rd. And we'll see if they make
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: the cut.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Great. On to corrections. We have a nitpicky correction to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: clarification and a helpful critique of trail cam usage. The
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: winner gets a Moultrie Edge sail cam with, and this
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is the important part, a one-year subscription. You get a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: camera and a subscription. One is from the... Great writer,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: tennis writer, outdoor writer, hunting writer, Peter Bodo. New York
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Times contributor. Are we using the interest-o-meters or not?
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: We're not using it for this one. I'll talk to
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: the guys who sent it in.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in it. We're going to pick the favorite, though.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You're interested already? Yeah, I'm in. I didn't hear damn correct.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Peter Bodo, Austrian-born.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that. Not American. I just read it
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: as not American, but yeah, Austrian-born. Hey, fellas. I don't
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: want to be mean-spirited. But as a raggedy-ass old journalist,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I have a few grammatical quibbles to share. They are
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: not super current, but they recur across different episodes. This first. Morality.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: In a recent news show, episode 866, Boundary Waters Tragedy,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the gang discussed the morals morality of the old coot
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: trying to prevent others from accessing public hunting land for
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: turkey hunting. You debated the morality of this, but you
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: should have been debating the ethics of it. As per
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the Oxford Dictionary, morals are your own internal rules about
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: right and wrong. Ethics are the shared rules of a group, job,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: or society. So clearly the gent's behavior was an ethical
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: rather than a moral issue. If it helps, this is
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: a very common error made by all kinds of folks.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: A bank robber is not immoral. He is unethical. Learning curve.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Spencer on the trivia show has talked about the learning curve,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: making a common mistake. Something that is easy to learn
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: has a steep learning curve. You get from point A
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to point Z very quickly. Something difficult to learn, expert
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: marksmanship spay casting, has a flat learning curve. I can't
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: point to specific episodes as it would take too much research,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: but it always struck me. The reality is something easy
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: has a steep learning curve. I didn't know that.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody knows that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: That's good. Finally. Finally. And lastly, especially on the trivia show,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: many contestants consistently confuse less and fewer. Dude, I didn't
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: know this either. This is amazing. Less is for things
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: you cannot count. Well, I'm going to put it right
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: back in his face on this one because he says
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the well has less water. You damn sure count the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: water in a well.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But only if you're referring to the units of water.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: If you just say water is like a general concept,
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: it has less water. If you said it has fewer
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: like cubic feet of water.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Fewer is for things you can't. Giannis has only six
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: TSS shotgun shells left. Hmm. The first two, I like.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: That third one, I got real questions.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Before we move on.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Correction two, if I may.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I just got to throw a plug out for Pete's book,
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Whitetail Nation. It is an under-the-radar whitetail gem. Nobody talks
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: about this. Yeah, it's worth blurbing. Um, very fun read.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: It talks about his kind of journey as a deer
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: hunter from New York and kind of wants to explore
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: this wild deer hunting culture across the rest of the country.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: And so he goes on this kind of year long
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: pursuit of traveling to different States, diving into Texas, Montana,
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: the Midwest, and, you know, does it in a very interesting,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: unique way, given his perspective, his writing pedigree, uh, very
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: well done and a fun read for really any deer hunter.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Great. Thank you.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Sounds like a mildly steep learning curve.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Mildly.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: He didn't get into mildly steep. No, it's a new one.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Number two, recent Alpha Gal podcast, they had a brief
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: tangent about chiggers. Well, hey friends, he says, it's about chiggers.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: He says, just an FYI, chiggers live and lay eggs
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: in the soil. They latch onto you and secrete digestive
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: enzymes into your skin. Then they use sort of a
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: fancy mouth straw to suck up your broken down proteins.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: None of this is new. The part that itches are
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: those digestive enzymes. The spots are just, excuse me, the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: spots are just an inflammatory response to the tissue breakdown.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: None of this is new.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: It's just clarification.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: There are no chiggers under the skin or anything like that. Okay.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Not new. Best way to treat the bites. This is new.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It's just with a topical anti-inflammatory or anti-itch cream of
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: some sort. Same sort of thing you'd use to get
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: your dog to stop scratching a sore spot. This is
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: not going to be the winner. Love him to death.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Love him to death. I'm sure he loves his family.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a great American. Not the winner.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: No, but it says he designs anti-inflammatory and anti-itch products.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: The reason he wrote in is because... He's got a
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: horse in the race, too.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: In your conversation, you talked about various remedies like rubbing oil.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: No, no. We talked about various mids. Right.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: But then you never said what actually worked. And he
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: was just saying this actually works. But he's also... He's
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: in the pocket of big anti-itch.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I love you. I think we should send him a
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: care package regardless. Because I like him so much. But
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that's just not... Okay. Okay. Episode 915, Dan Moultrie lost
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: camera story. I was explaining that I have lost a camera.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: It cranks out great photos every day. We cannot find it. Oh, interesting. Well,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: not so much interesting anymore.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Because the lat lawn is in the camera. Hey, Steve,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: listening to the podcast this week and your question about
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: how to find the trail cam of Dan Moultrie. Just
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a little more background on this. We were putting a
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: trail cam where we knew there had been a lot
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of ocelots. from an ocelot collaring project. We knew there
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: was a lot of ocelot pings in the area. And
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: so we're like, let's go put our own camera there
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and try to make a sweet ocelot video.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: In what state?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Texas. Okay. So we make a pin and we get
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: there and we make a pin on a map, but
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: we get there and we don't like the area. Like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't live up to its promise. The e-scouting didn't
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: ground check. So then we wander off into the bush
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and And then we find the queen mother of all
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: trail cam setups. No one ever thinks to repin the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: actual place. I send Yanni. Yanni's down there. I say, hey,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: go find our camera. Yanni wanders all over hell, and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I never even get a picture of him looking for it.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's by a bush.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: What do you get on this trail camera?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get the ocelot? Everything but what I'm
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: trying to get. Okay. Hogs, Javelinas, Nilgai, Waterbuck, Big Bucks,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Regular Bucks, you name it. Coyotes, Albuazu, Oryx. So, isn't
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: that a Gemsbok? Oryx. But we can't find it. Okay.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Literally everything.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And the guy, the corrector, says, I was a little
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: surprised that neither of you thought about the camera's GPS location.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: My Moultrie Edge 2 Pro has GPS data under device info.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: The gal. Steph. Steph Maddell.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Could be a.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Guy.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Steph Curry.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: As opposed to Tim Curry. So, yes. The minute we
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: talked about this, it became... Someone else in the room
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: pointed out you could just go in there and into
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: your app and find your lat-lon. So the camera's now
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: no longer lost.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I got pictures this morning. Great photos. Yep. I'm going
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: with the camera. Same. Are we going to vote? That's
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: my vote. Okay. Let's back up. Nitpicky grammatical stuff. Great.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Nate likes it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going nitpicky. Wow.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like I learned something.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Yep. He put a lot of thought into that.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: The learning curve thing, I realize I've been doing that
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: wrong my whole life.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: That's a four vote.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But that just makes me not want to say learning
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: curve ever again.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Because you're just going to mix it up.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Well, if you don't mix it up, though, then you're like.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I think you're confusing me.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Correcting somebody, and that's kind of weird.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: That's just one. Can I see you show hands again?
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: No, I'm going to change my vote.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, you can't do that.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: No, because now I can't say learning curve.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: You can. No, just say it right. You can.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: You just have to correct.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Are you honestly changing your vote? I'm changing my vote.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Only because you flip-flopper.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'm flip-flopping. Okay, so three. There's a potential. There's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: seven votes in the room. Anyone on using anti-whatevers when
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you get a sugar bite? Using this guy's personal products.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: No one.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: The one Steve declared not to be a winner.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Your camera's not, in fact, lost. I'm going with that one. Wow, four.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, wow.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Bodo. Peter Bodo. Love you to death. Love you
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to death. You just had tough competition.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got fewer votes than the other one.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's all that happened.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Nate's fault.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Pete. Still a good book. All right.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: This takes us to the first harvest success sent into
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: the Meteor Meat Eater podcast inbox from Rodney Kidd. Sends
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: in a report.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Three squirrels.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: He says, a little report from Indiana early squirrel season.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: They are not moving much.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: It's hot.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: They are speaking to each other in soft tones. You
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: must really listen for them and then sneak.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And he's got a nice photo. He's got his double
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: barrel scatter gun. He's got a stringer, a three. Is
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that a brace or is a brace two? He's got
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: a brace and a half. He's got a brace and
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: a half of gray squirrels hanging from a cord. He's
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: got a backpack. He's got a bear grease hat and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a real tree. No. And Mossy Oak.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: A brace is a pair. Or exactly two.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Great. And he's got some kind of woods in Indiana.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: It looks like it. I just get itchy looking at that. Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: That is poison ivy country. I would be washing my
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: hands after I skin those squirrels. People don't know this.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Squirrels harvest that soft fuzz off the vines and line
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: their nests with it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: You can get tore up from squirrels and poison ivy country.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I was sharing that in Michigan growing up, September 15th,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: opening day of squirrels. I could always take opening day
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: of deer rifle off, opening day of trapping off. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: could take opening day of bow off. We could kind
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: of take like a half day off for opening day
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: of squirrel season. But the first weekend that would happen
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of squirrel season, if it didn't, you know, whatever, first weekend,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I just loved going down into the beech woods, the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: beech trees. and sitting there at daylight and listening to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the beach nuts raining down. And you just sneak in
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: under where they're like, peep, peep, peep, peep, hitting the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: forest floor. And the canopy be so thick the squirrels
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even know you were down below them. Oh, such
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a good time. And then shooting on up in there
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: with a shotgun. Not even totally sure what you were
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: aiming at. At least that's how I remember it happening.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: You're like, I feel like that noise is coming from
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: right thereabouts.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Then the squirrels did know you were there.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, then they knew you were there. But man, that
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: first trip, you were going to get your limit of five, man.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Such a good time. In the news. Well, that's great.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: The in the news. I read the news. I skim.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: So just to keep my head balanced in life, I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: read a bunch of different news sources. So when I
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, I lay in bed, the
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: missus would still be sleeping. And I'll go into, um,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: take talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I'll peruse the Wall Street Journal. This is just a
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: headline run. Just to be like, what happened overnight? The
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: major things that shape global event kind of stuff. I'll
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: skim Wall Street Journal. I'll skim the New York Times.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I'll skim The Economist. I'll skim Free Press. And I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: might get on to some other stuff too. But that
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: way you're hearing it from both sides. Because all these
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: places have their own biases. So that way it kind
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: of levels your head out a little bit. I love
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: New York Times. I like this part of my peruse.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: But they have the wrong guy. They have the wrong
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: guy on the wild horse beat. He's the wrong man
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: for the job. Sure he's a nice guy. Sure he
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: loves his family. Great American. Dave Phillips. I got turned
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: off by the journalist Dave Phillips years ago and he
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: wrote a piece. You know those pieces where those pieces
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: where it's not it's politics. Like this thing that came
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: out the other day, this news thing, it gets picked
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: up all over the place. And this news thing that like, Hey,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: mountain lions reduce vehicle collisions. Cause there's some like cockamamie,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: like analysis. They've determined that if you have like, it's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: sort of the argument is the more mountain lions we
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: have mean the less mountain lions, anybody shoots, the more
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: they'll scare deer away from roads.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, but when you just change the headline
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: to road hunters, like road hunters reduce deer car collisions.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Because if you look at like how many deer get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: killed by mountain lions, that number is dwarfed by the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: number of deer that get killed by humans. Why wouldn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it be a big study about how humans reduce deer
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: car collisions? But it's like, it's politics. They knew where
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: they wanted to land. They knew they wanted to land at,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: look at the bright side. All these people are anti-predators,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: but it reduces... It's hogwash. It's politics, which is cool.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: It's fine. That's what I traffic in. I traffic in
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: manipulating shit to get what I want. Do you know
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But at least I admit it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: This guy doesn't. This guy did this piece a while
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: back where he's like, hey, good thing about mountain lions
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: is they'll reduce the wild horse overpopulation. And you talk
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to anybody that has anything to do with wild horses
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: or anyone that has anything to do with mountain lions,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and they'll be like, no. Cute, but no. Anyways, they've uncovered...
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: So the New York Times has ran this kind of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: investigative piece where they've uncovered that the Trump administration... has
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: found this loophole by which they are shipping, they are
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: selling protected wild horses to slaughter through a loophole. Meaning,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: if you, well, let me give you a little background.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: In the mid-70s, how long did I tell you I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: needed for this?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: 10 minutes.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: In the mid-70s, this country passed a very, very bad,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: short-sighted piece of legislation, which was it's known as it's,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact term, but the wild horse
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: and burrow protection act, terrible piece of legislation that did
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: not contemplate the complex, the complexities of the future. At
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the time there was maybe 25,000 wild horses and burrows
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: out on the landscape of the American West. It defined
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: what a wild horse and burrow was and it protected them. And, and,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: really tied the hands of future managers and how to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: deal with the situation. Should it get out of control?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: We are now there. It was 1971.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: It was called the wild free roaming horses and burrows act.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. Short-sighted. It happens like it happens. You make short-sighted
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: things because you can't contemplate the future. People always point
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: this up with the constitution. Critics of the American constitution
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: will say they never contemplated the Crypto, they never contemplated whatever,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They like, they wrote the document,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: not contemplating things. And so now sometimes we're in this
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: spot where we're trying to figure out what people meant.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: This did not contemplate the present. We now have three
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: times as many wild horses and burros out in the landscape.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: We have more wild horses and burros sitting in holding
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: facilities than there were at the time they impacted this legislation.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: We got 73,000 wild horses and burros out in the landscape,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: which is a drier landscape now than it was then.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: We have 60,000 of these things in storage where we're
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: paying money to store them because the act that was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: meant to protect them made it that you couldn't send
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: them to slaughter. It made there's virtually no outlet for
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: these animals. They have a budget. They have a budget
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: to manage wild horses. The whole budget gets burned up
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: paying farmers and ranchers in Kansas and Oklahoma $ 1, 000 a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: year apiece to hold these wild horses in perpetuity. The
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: government spends.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: $ 3, 000, up to $ 3, 000.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: To catch a wild horse where they're overpopulated. They then
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: sell them for about $ 25. And they have all this
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: convoluted crap where like, first you have to offer it
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: for adoption and no one comes and gets them or
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: three people come and adopt them. I'm being ridiculous with
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: my numbers, but it's like not nearly enough people come
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: forth to adopt them. Then the next step, there's like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: this sales process and you have to do that. And
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: then if you try that and try this and try
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: that and try this, you can then sell it under
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a certain caveat And then the person that buys it
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: is sort of less beholden to the law and they
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: can then move it to another person and then that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: person can send it up for slaughter. So there's this
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: big cry fest in the New York Times about the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: fact that some of these wild horses are getting sent
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to slaughter, which if it's illegal, it's illegal. They shouldn't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: be doing illegal stuff. But this is a problem that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: is not going away and it has hit maximum absurdity.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: The only solution here, the only solution here is to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: not restrict but lubricate the path to slaughter because these
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: are not, this is not American wildlife. This is a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: non-native domestic animal. People that cry about ranchers having grazing
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: rights out on public land. Like this is tax. This is,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: this is grazing rights for, for livestock where the, it
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: costs the government tens of millions of dollars. These are
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: not wild animals. They're out competing deer. They're all competing.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Bighorn sheep, all the mountain lions, like, If they all
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: switch their diet to horses, which they don't want, they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: don't like horses. It's not their preferred thing. They like deer.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: They like bighorns. They don't want horses. They don't overlap
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: with horses in the proper way. It's like nothing's going
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: to take care of this problem. Nothing will take care
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: of the problem. You go back to 2013. The National
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Academy of Science reports. Here's a quote from the National
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Academy of Science report from 2013. Continuation of business as
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: usual practices will be expensive and unproductive for BLM because
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: compelling evidence exists that there are more horses on public
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: rangelands than reported at the national level and that horse
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: population growth rates are high. Unmanaged populations would probably double
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: in about four years. That has happened. If populations were
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: not actively managed for even a short time, the abundance
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: of horses on public rangelands would increase until animals became
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: food limited. Food limited to horse populations would affect forage
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and water resources for all other animals on shared rangeland
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: and potentially conflict with the multiple use policy of public
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: rangelands and the legislative mandate to maintain a thriving, natural, ecological, 2019,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the BLM estimated that there are 88,090 wild horses and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: burros on rangelands. That is not counting these 47,000 that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: we're paying $ 1, 000 a piece to put on otherwise productive
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: farm and ranch land. Because we've tied our hands with
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: ridiculous legislations. It's like they got the wrong guy on
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the job. This guy is talking about this old dumb
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: thing where people are supposed to go out and shoot
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: him with contraceptives. He's still on that? They were going
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to pay all these guys to go out and shoot
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: contraceptives into 80, well, let's say half of these are females.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the ratios are. Let's say half
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of these are females. You're going to hire guys to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: go out and shoot contraceptives? into 44,000 wild horses? It's like,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: wrong man on the job. If the Trump administration is
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: in fact doing a thing that's naughty, I'm a law
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and order guy, but the sentiment of that something, that
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: they have created an unlivable situation, And I would expect
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: at this point that as Americans get a more sophisticated
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: understanding of ecology, that we would be putting true native
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: North American wildlife way ahead. Way ahead in priority of livestock.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: And these things are livestock. I have heard.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: There's all sorts of different levels of animal rights or
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: animal lovers who go really hard on their species of choice.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I've heard that the horse lovers are a whole other level. Dude,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: they're the Gestapo of animal rights people.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: It feels like a group that probably has money, too.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: What's that Iranian group? Soleimani ran it? They're the Quds Force. Dude,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: they are the Quds Force of the animal rights movement. Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, and then we see that film unbranded.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Sure. That was like, I know about it.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: Introduction to this whole thing. They go and they adopt
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: a couple of these Broncos and kind of explore it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: It was, it was interesting.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: People just, but here's the thing. Go read the piece yourself.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: It's called, uh, where is it?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: It's called, um, under Trump protected wild horses are going
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: to slaughter Dave Phillips.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: I usually have great luck with guys named Dave. He should,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: we should maybe just have this guy on the show.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Just be like, dude, come on.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: He reports on military affairs, which I respect. He's the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: wrong man for the job on Wild Horses.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: You should start an interview show where you can talk
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: to people like this that you're interested in.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: We already have an interview show. I'm not going to
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: make a whole new one. I know, man.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: It's a joke.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: You should have him talk to Arthur Lawson at the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Wind River Fishing Game.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a great conversation for wrapping your
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: head around.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: The impact that they have. I have better luck with
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Dave's than any other name. Really? Absolutely.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Is the sample size on Randall just too small?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have bad luck on Randall. I don't want
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: to tell you the names I got bad luck on
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: because it would make people feel bad with those names.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Anybody in this room?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Well, much as I love you, Nate, Nate was a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: problem for me.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one of the first things you said
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: But dude, Dave's, dude, me and Dave's do great together.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Then you got the tagline or whatever they call it.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I forgot. It's been a long time since I took
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Journalism 101. There's a word for this. It's like the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: sort of other title. A legal loophole. Yeah, you can
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: tell where this is headed. A legal loophole allows the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: government to sell Mustangs on the cheap, stripping them of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: protections and clearing their path to destruction. You know what
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: would really get this guy worked up? If he somehow
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: found out that they're killing all these cattle from steaks
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and burgers.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: He'd be like, they're what? Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Randall could sway some.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: He must not know this. He must not know that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: this is happening, that people are eating chickens and cattle
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: People like Randall are eating horses.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a horse steak guy now.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. In New York, or sorry, in Italy, you
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: can get horse sandos.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a horse steak in Belgium.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: How was that?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: It's delicious.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dave would be like, if I was like, Dave, dude,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, man, they're killing all kinds
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: of cattle.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Eating them.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Selling them.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: It also sounds, when you say a legal loophole allows
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: them to do this, it sounds like it's legal.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: They got the wrong... I'm sure... I know he's a...
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a great guy. They got the wrong...
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: They need to hand the wild horse beat over. I'll
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: tell you who to hand it to. Jim Roberts. Is
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: that his name, Jim Roberts? Yeah, I think... He's the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: guy you like. Does pieces for the New York Times.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: He's from Montana. You need to fire... Give Dave more
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: stuff on veterans. Fire him off the wild horse beat.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Bring Jim Robbins in to rewrite all that stuff. Here's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: a great one that Randall found. This one tickles the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: hell out of me. This is an old news story.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Listen to this. You want to talk about a headline?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Forest fire explodes gun of trapper. Skeleton is found. Lewis
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: and Clark Forest. That's when they knew how to write
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: a headline. Forest fire explodes gun of trapper. Skeleton is found.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Lewis Clark Forest. We're going to start a segment called
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Old Ass News. Here's the piece. Great Falls, Montana, August 29.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: What year was it though? I think it was 1928.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: 1928.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: The skeleton of a trapper.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Which has lain undisturbed for years, perhaps half a century,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: has been uncovered by a forest fire in the Lewis
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Clark Forest. The skeleton was found when bullets from the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: trapper's old gun exploded from the heat of the flames.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: The firefighting crews heard the explosion and then found the skeleton.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: The man had apparently been killed by an animal, on
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the spot where he had made his camp. The rifle
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: was beside the skeleton with a date of 1873 upon it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: There was an old iron skillet of the type long
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: off the market. That's my favorite part. I'll just go
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: back because I want people to really savor the true
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: journalism here.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite part.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: There was an old iron skillet of the type long
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: off the market. a salt shaker and two bottles of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: trappers poison. And then he wraps it up. That's you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: need to find this guy.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Just the facts, ma'am.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Drag him out of the dead and have him take
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: up the wild horse beat for the New York times.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: This guy gave it to you straight. That's journalism. Hell
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: of a story. Yeah. That's journalism.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: God, there's gotta be a few more of those laying
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: I never considered that a forest fire would, uh, send
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: unsent bullets off into the atmosphere.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: And that they'd be laying by an old trap with
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: an iron skillet of the type not currently for sale. Marcus,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: roll this rule.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Alright, I'll keep it kinda short since this has been
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: something I know you guys have talked about over the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: months in the last year or so, but we can
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: dive as far as you want into this. The news
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: came out last week that the USDA has officially... proposed
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: their ruling on the roadless rule. So last summer, a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: lot of people started talking about this because the administration
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: kind of released their floating of this idea of rolling
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: back the roadless rule. They started a comment period. 600,000
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: or so comments were put into the federal record. Many, many, many,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: many folks spoke out in defense of this place, of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: this ruling. Fast forward now, back in August 20th, I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: guess it was, the federal government showcased the fact that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: they want to officially rescind the roadless rule in its entirety.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: Soon after that, they released the mandated draft environmental impact statement,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: and then a 30-day public comment period was opened after that.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Can I back you up to one thing?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: The comment period is a thing they have to do.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: No one pays attention to that, sadly. I'm curious, how
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: many comments were there in favor of revoking... the role of,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: of opening all this up. Did you see, was the split,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: what was the split?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: About 99% were in favor of keeping it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: And there was more than 600,000 comments applied back when
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: the roadless rule was created back in 2001, they went
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: through like a year and a half process and there
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: was 1.6 million comments submitted and more than 90% of
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: those were in support of this, of the roadless rule.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so the, the public comment period, some people
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: will say doesn't really matter. But it does a couple things.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Number one, it does establish a record of the public's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: perspective that ostensibly the government should be looking at and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: considering when making their decision. But also down the line
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: when it comes to litigation, when it comes to how
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: this might play out for the next administration too, all
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: of that will be reviewed and looked at.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Got it. So to say this is overwhelmingly, this is
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: an overwhelmingly unpopular move. With the American public. Yes.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: And I was messing up my words there earlier, but
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: about 44 million acres of public land fall underneath this ruling.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: There are also separate roadless rules for Idaho and Colorado.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: So this would not impact those two states. But the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: high level thing here is that the roadless rule keeps
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: these forest lands from having most new roads and most
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: forms of industrial scale logging. So the idea that the administration,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: that the USDA has placed around their preferred alternative, which
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: would be to roll it back in its entirety, is
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: that this should help with wildfire mitigation, that this should
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: help with active management.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: It's a lie. It's a red herring. Yes, that's true
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: a teeny bit, but that is not where this is
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: coming from. Yes. They use that. They use that.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Like way overemphasize how much they care about that. True.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: But it sounds really good. Yeah. And if you look at, oh, what,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you want everybody's house to burn down? Well, gosh, I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: don't want that. If you look at this log, the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: shit out of everything that's unlogged, you know.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: There's 193 million acres or so of national forest lands, right?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Almost.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: almost 100 million acres of those are wide open to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: whatever kind of active management a forest would like, whatever
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: kind of wildfire prescriptions. Then you have the 44 million.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: It's 58 million if you include Colorado and Idaho. 58
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: million acres of national forest lands, which do fall underneath
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: some kind of roadless rule protection. But they did include
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: exceptions for wildfire treatment. You can build new roads to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: battle a wildfire if exceptions are needed. There are exceptions
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: for wildlife habitat treatments to make sure to account for
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: some form of active management needed. So there's ways around this.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: There's flexibility built into the ROLIS rule to account for
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: these different things. And then there's 37 million or so
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: that are protected by the Wilderness Act, which truly are
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: off limits to those things. So the point being is
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: that there is a lot of room for management of
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: our forests. There's other challenges to getting that management, right?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: There's litigation, there's forest planning processes. But The roadless rule
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: is not some kind of de facto wilderness that is
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: keeping people out of these places. It is not keeping,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: you know, actually not even keeping mining or development of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: that kind out. It is not keeping grazing off of
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: these landscapes. There are even off-road vehicle use. Off-road vehicles
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: are allowed in these places. Existing roads can exist in
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: these places.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of a nice.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Middle ground public land designation that for 25 years has
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: kept these these roadless cores intact. And I think a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: lot of people now really appreciate that. And that's why
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: there's so many hundreds of thousands of people that have
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: spoken out about it. And I expect now that the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: official ruling is out there, the draft environmental impact statement
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: is out there, the public comment period is now officially open,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: that we're going to see something similar again this time around.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: What that means then for the actual changes on the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: ground is that the Forest Service will have to review
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: all the comments that come in over this 30-day period.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: They will have to assess the sentiment. They'll go through
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: all these different things. And then some number of months
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: down the road, they will release the final environmental impact
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: statement and decision. Like I mentioned, they've said they fully
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: intend to roll it back in its entirety. And then
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: what happens after that will be, you know, up to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: the next administration or whoever's appointing the forest director in
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: the future.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Besides all the stuff that they say they want, that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: they maybe want a teeny bit, what in your mind
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: is the main thing they want? This is coming from someone.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: This is coming from some group. I know that the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: appetite to do rare earth and old growth and Tongass
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: National Forest, our biggest national forest, is enormous. Right? There's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: an enormous appetite for those things, and those things are
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: held back by the worldless rule. What other things do
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: you feel are the ones that the people that are
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: spending money on this and that are pushing this and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: that are coming up with these little fire mitigation schemes,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: what do they want?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: So the funny thing is that when you look at
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: the timber value and the resource value in many of
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: these places, it is actually not economically feasible to make
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: a profit from going in there and extracting timber from
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of these locations. They're high elevation. They're hard
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: to get to.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Just building the roads, in many cases, and maintaining them
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: would cost more than any kind of profit from the timber.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: So it's not really that. I just spoke with someone today.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: The people I've spoken to really think it comes down
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: to more of almost, I've heard it referred to as
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: a religious thing, like ideological. Ideologically opposed to this kind
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: of regulation. They want to come in and move things
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: back to state level, remove roadblocks to any kind of
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: potential development. or resource extraction opportunities. So that's what it
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: comes down to. I've heard like the timber industry, supposedly
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: from what I've heard, the timber industry isn't asking for this.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: This is, this is something that is coming top down.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: It's philosophical. It's like ideological. Yes. How would a country like,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: why would a country tie its hands behind its back
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: when it comes to industrial might? Yep. We might all
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: be dead tomorrow. Yep. Might as well use everything up now.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: I think the roadless rule is one of those sweet
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: spots where they took into account the fact that you
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: need to have flexibility. And maybe, in all honesty, there
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: likely are ways this rule could be improved still, right?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: Things are different now than they were 25 years ago
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: when this was written. But this full-scale rollback seems like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: a short-sighted way of doing it.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I sit and ask myself, If I was like,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: what do you fear most? Running out of roads or
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: running out of places with no roads? I'm like, man,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I thought it through long and hard. I just don't
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: think we're going to run out of roads. I don't
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: think sometime down the road I'm going to be like, man,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: whatever happened to all them roads? There's nowhere to drive.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I don't foresee this issue.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: Our unfragmented You know, wild cores are just becoming increasingly
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: more rare. And this is the kind of thing that
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: they're not making any more of. So there's some value
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: to keeping it around.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: You know, you talk about like when TR was doing
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: all his stuff at the time, it was very radical.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: And now we look back and it's great.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: I looked back at the public comment when Clinton enacted
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: this and they loved it at the time. It broke
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: records for public comment, like one, one and a half
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: million comments. And 95% of those were positive. It's just like,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: the through line is, this is great.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: Since we started.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mentioned the TR thing all the time.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: He was controversial at the time. He'd be regarded as
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: a tree-hugging lunatic now. And now everybody's like, TR, TR,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the library. While simultaneously trying to dismantle
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: his legacy.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: So yeah, if you have interest in sharing your perspective
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: on this, The comment period is open until September 21st
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: around midnight. So going over to the federal register, that's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: where you can leave your comment. You know, Backcountry Hunters
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: and Anglers and other organizations have like an easy action, right?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: You can go to their take action center. You can
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: sign on to the form letter. But truly, if you
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: want your voice to be heard, you know, sharing an
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: actual unique comment is going to get you the most traction.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: And not just, you know, doing the action email that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: sends to your elected officials, but actually going to the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: federal register where the Forest Service is mandated to review
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: every unique comment. So if you go and actually share
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: a unique comment that shows, you know, not only that
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: you understand the issue, but that you have a personal
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: experience or connection or perspective on it, that's going to,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: you know, get a little bit more credence with those
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: folks too.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: And again.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe this administration is going to do what they want
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: to do from the get-go, and it doesn't matter what
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: you say. But down the line, this stuff will be
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: useful for whatever's next.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: No, I'll go down there. Hit me with the Tim
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Walls thing, because this is puzzling to me.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you guys are all familiar with the Boundary
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: Waters fiasco this spring. They used the Congressional Review Act
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: to roll back that mineral withdrawal. Now, just recently, the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, Sign this executive order.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Can you put that in like idiot terms, please? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: So there was a set of protections placed around the watershed,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: around the Boundary Waters a few years ago that would
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: keep certain types of mining from happening right around this
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: incredibly popular, important wilderness area.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: On the headwaters of the rivers that create Correct. The
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: boundary waters area.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: And it all came from this mine that's been proposed
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: right on the upstream border of the boundary waters. The
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Twin Metals mine, like you said, just upstream of this watershed,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: the flow through the boundary water. So that's kind of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: what led to everything. And it's been years and years
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: and years of back and forth and back and forth
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: on this thing. So in 2023, I think it is,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: the Biden administration put this mineral withdrawal in place, which
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: basically said you can't do this kind of mining in
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: this place. And then this spring, There was this whole
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: legislative battle that we're all familiar with that effectively removed that,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: opening the potential road for these types of mines to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: happen there again. So that's what led us to last
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: week when the governor of Minnesota said, not so fast.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: He signed this executive order that essentially put substantial roadblocks
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: in the way for a mine. So it's not necessarily 100% no,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: it can't happen. But there's a certain amount of state
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: and federal cooperation that typically has to occur for a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: mining project or any kind of resource extraction.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: It would require a lot of state land permits, too.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: So this EO that Walt signs, it requires the Minnesota
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Department of Natural Resources to not undertake any kind of
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: environmental review or permit work associated with proposals like this
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: kind of mining until litigation is completed. There's a whole
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: set of litigation related to this going on right now.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: It would direct the DNR not to participate as a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: cooperating agency in any federal environmental review. It would not
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: offer any new state leases for this kind of mining.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: It would require... the DNR not to offer any new
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: state surface leases for this kind of mining. It would
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: also require them to start drafting legislative language prohibiting this
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: kind of mining in this watershed as well. So spoke
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: to some folks on the ground there in Minnesota about this,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: basically asking, you know, does this thing have legs? will
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: this actually stop this or is this kind of window dressing?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: And the, the cliff notes of what he shared was
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: that this is a roadblock. This would expire 90 days
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: after the, uh, after the new governor governor takes office.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: So if a new governor comes into Minnesota here that
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: has a different view on this, it would expire and
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: this stuff would be gone. Yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: That's like any executive order. Um, Executive orders are generally
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: much weaker than legislative action because they just get, the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: next time a different person comes in with the same
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: job title, they undo executive orders with other executive orders,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: which is how we wind up with some of these
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: perpetual issues. Yes. Like these issues that never die.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: I think the thinking or the hope, though, is that
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: it's likely that the next governor there in Minnesota will
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: be on board with this or close to it. And
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: so this sets it up easily for whoever's next to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: continue this. And again, They can't stop federal leasing. They
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: can't stop that from happening, but this certainly will prevent
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: it from moving quickly. This is going to be the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: opposite of lubricating the rails. This is going to slow
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: down the process, and hopefully there will be other ways
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: and other forms of protection that can make this more
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: permanent down the line. So it's positive news if you
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: care about the boundary waters, but it's not a permanent fix.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: This ain't going nowhere.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: Not going anywhere.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: We'll keep you posted, though. North Carolina.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: You want to talk Amendment 84 first?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll do it real quick. We had a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: guest on some time ago. Dan Gates came in and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: talked about the signature collecting phase of putting a codified
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: right to hunt and fish vote to Coloradan voters this November. Meaning,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: on your ballot, they're trying to collect enough signatures to
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: put on the ballot. Boy, I'm doing a terrible job
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: with this. There's a ballot initiative in Colorado called Amendment 84.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: It would codify the right to hunt and fish in Colorado.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: In order to get it on the ballot, they needed
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: a bunch of signatures. Dan Gates came up from Colorado
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: and did the news show and talked about the signature
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: gathering process. And we alerted Colorado voters where to go
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: to sign to get it on the ballot. Gates has
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: updated me that they're looking good. They're sitting pretty on signatures.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: This thing is headed to the ballot. We will remind
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: you before, but when you go down to vote, if
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you're in Colorado and you go down to vote this November,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: skip all the stuff. I don't care. Skip all the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: other stuff like president, whatever that won't be on there,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: but skip all the other stuff. Find amendment 84 and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: vote in favor of amendment 84 passage. This will be
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: helpful to you. Um, uh, uh, These are widespread. I
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: can't remember how many states now. 30 states, 20-some states
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: have right to hunt and fish things. We're sitting in
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: a state, weirdly, that does not. We should remedy that.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: But a problem I have with right to hunt to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: fish legislation is it's sometimes hard to see where the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: rubber meets the road. Meaning, you have this. What are
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: those occasions when you're able to effectively sue the government?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: for violating one's right to hunt and fish, right? It's like,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I have yet to meet anyone that can come to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: me with a interesting list of ways in which the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: right to hunt and fish was weaponized against assaults on
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing rights. But here's an interesting one.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: Enter North Carolina.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Enter North Carolina. Here's an interesting case study on where
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: a right to hunt and fish actually proves to be useful.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: This story comes to us from Mike L.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: Of North Carolina.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: And what he's calling attention to is a lawsuit filed
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: in 2020 by the CCA of North Carolina, the Coastal
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: Conservation Association of North Carolina. And through six years of litigation,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of plaintiffs, including five former members of
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: North Carolina's Marine Fisheries Commission, they were able to prove
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: that by allowing The commission, by allowing North Carolina's coastal
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: fisheries to degrade and deteriorate, the state of North Carolina
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: violated the legal rights of North Carolinians to fish and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: harvest fish in the Atlantic. These rights that they infringed
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: on are guaranteed to them by a constitutional right to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: hunt and fish.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: And to be like, if you kill the wildlife off,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: you have taken away my right to harvest. Yep.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: And so ultimately what this comes down to is this
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: tension between sound management, the public trust of marine and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: estuary resources, and protecting that not only for the current,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: but future generations as well, which is what this thing
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: kind of stipulates. And they found at trial, including tons
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: of expert testimony, previous, current fisheries, the commission members, as
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: well as other states commission members, the state had failed
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: to meet any of the standards set by themselves. Um,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: the court cited undisputed evidence that none of Carolina, North
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: Carolina's 13 state managed coastal fish stocks is currently viable.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: So like they're over 13. And so the situation is, um,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: it's really a critique of the commission structure, not necessarily
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: the biologists or the fishermen attempting to.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Steward the resource.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: Uh, and the way this, this commission is structured in the,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: the results of the, the regulation they've pushed down is
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: there's this tension between commercial trawling and gill netting in
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: the estuaries where these, these unhealthy fish populations typically spawn.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: And the three legal grounds that this was litigated on
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: is public trust doctrine and two provisions of the North,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: North Carolina constitution, the right to hunt and fish and
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: the duty to conserve lands and waters. And this was
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: the thing they, they, they pointed to pretty regularly is
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: that the state is violating the right and hunt to
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: fish by removing all the fish that people that, that,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: constituents could go out and pursue um there's there's of
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: those 13 we we won't go into every single one
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: but southern flounder river herring blue crab spotted sea trout
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: red drum hard clam these are those 13.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: And none meets the state's definition of.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: Viability yes the state's own definition of viability and there's
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: there's kind of three three buckets here um there's one
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: red drum that has tight commercial, they have slot limits. Uh,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: there's no real commercial fishing forum. Um, and they're somewhat
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: on the upswing. There's four that have no stock assessment
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: at all. Like they just don't, there's nothing to compare
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: it to, you know, we took out a million, whatever. Um,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: but out of how many out of a million out
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: of 2 million out of five. Um, and so because
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: there's no data, the court pointed to the fact that
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: you're not managing the fish at all. The lack of
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: data points to a failure of, on your part to
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: manage this resource. And those four fish happen to be
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: the preponderance of bycatch in these commercial fisheries. When a
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: shrimp trawler pulls up his net, they found typically anywhere
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: between 20 and 30% of that catch is shrimp, and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: the other 80 to 70% are yearling fish. That includes
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: the Sorry, the sheep's head, the spotted sea trout, and
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: river herring.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you a metaphor? Yeah, please. I was
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: in Belize one time, and I was watching these guys
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: check fish traps. And they pull the fish trap up,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: and they pull out of it whatever snappers and grunts
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: are big enough to mark it. You know what they
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: do with everything that's in that trap? They carry a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: weed-burning torch on the boat with a propane tank. It's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: a wire mesh trap. They hold that trap up and
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: bake every fish in it with a weed burning torch
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: because that's bait. And they throw it back overboard.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think that's happening here. No, no. I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: said it's a metaphor. Agreed. It's a metaphor. It's a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: bycatch metaphor.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: And so there's a lot of nuance here between commercial
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: and recreational fishing. But the crux of the issue is
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: these commission structures. And what's interesting is in North Carolina,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: they have two commission structures. There's the WRC, Wildlife Resource Commission,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: that's inland game and fish. And then there's the DMF,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: the Division of Marine Fisheries. And basically, WRC is crushing it.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Like they're out.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: There maintaining and stewarding the wildlife resources. They have 21
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: appointed members, half by the governor, half by legislature. They
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: don't have certain industry or like requirements on who they are.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: They're just by statutes. They say, an experienced hunter, fisherman, farmer,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: or biologist who shall generally be informed on wildlife conservation
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: restoration programs. You compare that to the, I'm sorry, the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: Marine Fisheries Commission. Those are all governor-appointed, three-year terms, no limits,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: no confirmation. Two are active or retired commercial fresh fishermen.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: One's a seafood industry person.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Two are rural.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: Sport fishermen. One's a sport fishing industry person. One is
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: a fishery scientist, and two are general. They vote on
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: the rules presented by the Division of Marine Fisheries, which
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: are the biologists and whatnot. And basically, they get into blocks.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: They vote for whatever is good for their block. And
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: there's no care for the resource. They just care about
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: who's getting the fish this year. That seems to be
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: the voting trend that this court case bore out. And
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: so the court's recommendation are restructuring this commission, adding some
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: sort of legislative oversight, adding a third party commission that's
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: independent and streamlining the process to align incentives for those
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: commissioners and then allowing the DMF to.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Do their job.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: When I reached out to CCA, the people who brought this,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: They're currently, they won, you know, they're in the remedy stage,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: but that's where they're at, is they're deciding what the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: remedy is from the state for these plaintiffs. And everyone's
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: kind of tight-lipped at this point. You know, they don't
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: want to impact the process.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: They don't want to muddy the waters by yapping about it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: But hopefully we'll get some sort of solid remedy for
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: the resource as a whole, and we'll be able to
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: talk to them about that.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Is this going to end with the state, like, cutting
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: a big check to somebody? I don't know.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to end with a restructuring of the...
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: commission and just like, sorry, this is the new way
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: we're going to try it. That's what I imagine. Um,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: but you know, we asked the question earlier is like,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: what is it like?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: It's a remedy play and not a money play.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Um, cause then it wound up being a class action lawsuit,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: I guess, between all people that hold, Oh, I'm on
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: the hook right now to make, to get money from
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Costa Del Mar, the sunglass company. I'm part of a
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: class action lawsuit without even knowing it.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: I just got paid.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Because I was charged. I was charged for repair. Next
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: time you see me and Randall, we're going to have
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: a gold teeth and shit.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: I just got paid in a class action lawsuit, my
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: first one.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: Fabulous.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: How much.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: Did you make?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: It's more than you think.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Four digits.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Wow. I always bought it for like $ 2. 71 when I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: went to class.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: $ 2. 71.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: There was a big antitrust lawsuit against a bunch.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Of, colleges and universities and how they administered and offered
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: financial aid so there's a big lawsuit against like university
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: of chicago columbia all these and uh it was like
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: a four-year thing every six months i go oh yeah
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: what's happening with that and i google what's happening with
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: it nothing and then one day i just saw my
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: phone ding yeah somebody's getting.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: It i know i'm gonna be i'm probably gonna make
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: three four bucks on this costa deal unless I choose
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: to withdraw my name, which is very complicated. They're like,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: you're in it, and if you want out of it,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: it's a bitch. But the one I'm excited about where
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: it is a big deal is I'm in a class
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: action lawsuit against the AI company Anthropic for many of
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: my book titles. So there's this whole class action lawsuit
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: where they were stealing from writers to train AI models,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: and you can go into this big database, and my
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: name's in there like eight times for books. Nice. Some...
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: And it's like real money. It's real money.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: I'm also in a class action lawsuit against NBA League Pass.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: I get emails about that one almost every day.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a big class action guy now. Big time class
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: action guy.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: The last month I've.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Been getting a lot of those.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: How much are you staying to make there?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I should go sign up for that.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm on a roll right now.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: That was inspiring, Randy. I'm one for one. You got
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: four digits? That's inspiring.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Low four digits.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: This anthropic deal, this could wind up being like, I
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: think it could wind up being like 10, 12 grand, dude.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: You going to give that to the land access initiative?
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: No, man. Well, a lot of it is meat eater books,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: but some of my personal stuff is in there too.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Anyways, are you wrapping her up?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like, what kind of door does this open?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: I could see it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: Getting real squirrely real fast as people compete. Like, you know,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: I don't have any deer here now, and it's because
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: of the commission.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: They screwed me.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: And it'll just be really interesting. I think it's generally positive.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: You should go vote for your constitutional right to hunt
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: and fish. But who knows where it'll go.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's going to make it more difficult
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: to get that passed again in the future in other states.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: Because now that they're saying this constitutional right has teeth,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: now will a state like Montana be more worried, or
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: somewhere else, about the possible ramifications?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to get into details on it,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: but when they tried, my understanding, which is like fresh, new,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: I'd never heard this, it was tried in the past
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: in Montana. You know the term like strange bedfellows? What's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: the opposite? Husband and wife? No, strange enemies. It was
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: pointed out to me that there were some strange enemies
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: to the right to hunt and fish. Not who you'd
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: think would oppose it. And it could be because of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: stuff like this where people are like, man, this is
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: going to turn into a big old headache for me. Right?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Not who you'd think. It could be. Like these commissioners
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: could be like, or whoever, they could be like, oh,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: damn it. I knew this was going to happen. that's
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: going to come around and bite me in the ass.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: And here they are. Tough titties, that's what I say. Drones?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Drones continue to hit.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: It's the end of the show.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Save the best for last, I see.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Best for last.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: Drones continue to hit the New Jersey headlines.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: That was a great headline.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: You like that? Not for more nighttime creepy light flights
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: you may remember back in 2024, which led to thousands
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: of tips to law enforcement and temporary flight bans by
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: the FAA. Jersey coastal town officials are reminding anglers that
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: it is illegal to knowingly or intentionally use an unmanned
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: aircraft system or a drone to take or assist in
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: the taking of wildlife. Per recent New Jersey statute.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry, what are you reading from right now?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: I typed this up last night. You're reading, this is
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: your own thing. Yeah, I'm trying not to read a
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: script here.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: So you came up with a headline that has the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: word headline.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could put this in a newspaper.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, you could. If I had a newspaper, I'd be
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: running it already. I wouldn't even read the rest of it.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: But go on.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: We should start a website. It's called like TheMeatEater.com where
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: we could publish this kind of article.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Put news stories.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, first timer here.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Got to figure out.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: How to make money off this. This is phenomenal. Go on.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: This is too good.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: Uh, per the recent New Jersey statute, offenders could be
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: slapped with up to six months in jail and up
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: to a thousand dollar fine.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: For what?
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: For intentionally trying to catch fish with a drone. Specifically
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: sharks in this case.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Six months in jail. What are you in for? Fishing.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Drone fishing.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: Ocean County towns of Manteloking and Bayhead have recently been
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: cracking down on anglers who are using drones to carry
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: and drop baited hooks, lines, or chum off public beaches
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: into the surf, specifically for shark fishing. In the last decade,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: drone fishing for sharks has become very popular on summer nights.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Along the Jersey Shore. Because every cast is right where
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: you want it. You drop it where you want it.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Every cast is perfect. And way out there.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: Way out.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: As a Montanan... Sheltered Montana boy, fly fisherman. This is
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: very new to me, drone fishing. I knew it was
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: a thing, but I really looked into it. You're not
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: going to have a drone drop your fly here and there?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: Probably not. I can cast better than a drone, I think.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: Where am I?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: It's very popular, and for good reason.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: This new techie tactic allows anglers to fly or cast
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: their baited lines hundreds of yards out to sea, drop
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: their baits beyond the break, fly their drones back, then
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: wait for a strike. It's highly effective, as we were
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: just saying. And as shark sightings have increased in recent years,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: especially this summer, the draw from anglers to hit the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: shores to fish for sharks has also increased. But many
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: beach goers have expressed their opinions that the practice may
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: be creating a Jaws-like situation that puts swimmers at risk.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Well, just ban swimming. Good luck.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: I also think if you can get the baits out
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: further with your drones, that's probably better.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: That was my initial thought. It's like, you're getting the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: bait out yonder.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: Mm.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Be like, okay, fine. I'll throw my bait right there.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: Not only bait, but supposedly there's been some chum in
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: action going.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: That feels to me a little crazy. That might drift
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: some blood in there. That feels a little like you
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: dumped 30 pounds of chum. That feels a little nutty.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: The most common species targeted in the area are brown sharks,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: sandbar sharks, sand tiger sharks, and spinner sharks. But the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: concerns coming from law enforcement and beach goers are the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: large apex predator-like apex predators like tiger sharks and bull
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: sharks that are being lured in by anglers. They're worried
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: that people could be mistaken for chum, especially small children.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I would say if I'd written that, I'd be like,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: the chumps could be mistaken for chumps. Try that next time.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: Masterclass on headlines.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, goodness.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: According to the University of Florida International Shark Attack File,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: dating back to the 1800s, there have been 15 recorded
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: attacks along the Jersey Shore. including the 1916 attack in
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: the Matawan Creek that was said to be the inspiration
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: for the movie Jaws.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Was he drone fishing?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: I doubt it.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: There have been many attacks.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Excuse me.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: There have not been any attacks in 2026. The last
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: known attack in the area was May 2023. So these
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: concerns of luring sharks closer to the shoreline are just
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: out of precaution.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a solution looking for a problem.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: Trying to keep everybody happy.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of gripes you could have with drone fishing.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: And I do think that dropping chum on a swim
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: beach is potentially of poor taste. Yeah.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: And they're doing it at night when folks aren't typically swimming.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: But the big argument would be. If you're getting it
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: out hundreds of yards and you say, hey, don't use
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: a drone, doesn't that same guy then go down with
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: the same bait and plunk it 50 yards out?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: And he wades out to his waist and dumps a
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: bucket of chum and.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Then wades back? I just confused about, is this coming
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: from hysterical beachgoers who don't really know what they're talking about,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: or is this coming from an informed perspective?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: A little bit of both, I believe.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: A lot of concerned beachgoers and I think there's some
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: science behind it, too. Extra sharks coming. Are real shark
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: anglers wanting to do this, though? I feel like the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: guy that actually wants to cast and do some real fishing,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: this isn't going to appeal to that person.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's a big thing. You think so? Yeah.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: This is a dude who wants to drag a big
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: old horse up on the beach.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw one shark earlier this year, I think
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: from Florida, that was just a giant. And what they'd
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: done was take a huge bait out deep with a drone,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: drop it, and then you're sitting on shore waiting for them.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Long drop, boys. And then there's also the drone thing,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: just using drones to find bait balls. Yeah. Drones, dude.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: I hate them. I like them for the military. I
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: hate them.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: They're getting to the point in the whitetail world that
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: people are installing drone detectors on their properties.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: Because they're worried about people snooping on their property with drones.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: Because the drone use has become so ubiquitous now.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm going to hire some Ukrainians, man, to come
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: down and just take care of that drone business, man.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but you better not. When are you
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: going to sell drone jammers and stuff that anybody could buy?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I had a drone hovering over my house the other day.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: I talked about this. It hovered over my house. My
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: wife ran in the house. It was a drone right
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: over the house. I was going to shoot it, but
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: it was already gone. And some guy's like, you're technically
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: not allowed to shoot it. Yeah. A guy wrote in
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: a correction.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: Mini.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: I would love to go to a judge. I'd be like, guilty.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: I shot a drone 50 feet over my house.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: What were you going to shoot it with?
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Shotgun. TSS.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the... Guilty as charged. In the
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: corner crossing stuff that was happening in Montana a couple
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: months ago with the state coming out and making a
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: case for corner crossing being illegal, one of the things
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: that they mentioned was that sort of the sanctity of
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: one's airspace is tied to this drone issue.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: There was some precedent, right? They determined some airspace.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: And so they were saying like, yeah, well, if corner
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: crossing is legal, then anybody could fly their drone into
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: your backyard and snoop around.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not always that concerned with being consistent.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: I tell my kids all the time. Oh, yeah. That's
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: not fair. Okay.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: I dove into the local New Jersey Reddit hole, and
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: there have been many concerns.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Is that a bar?
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: It's sticky.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: There have been many concerns. From recreational anglers who are
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: worried about the growing popularity of shark fishing in the
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: area from those who are not practicing ethical catch and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: release habits. As stated in the New Jersey Fish and
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: Wildlife Marine Digest, if a shark is caught but not kept,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: it must be released immediately. But unfortunately, a few bad
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: apples have chosen fame over ethics and are dragging sharks
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: too far onto the beach to pose for photos before
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: releasing the sharks, endangering the shark's health, of course.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: It's the drone's fault.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: Well, making it easier.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: It's not just drone anglers doing this. Anglers should know
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: how to catch, handle, and release fish in an ethical
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: manner and have the right equipment to quickly release sharks
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: back into the water. Using a drone to assist in
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: fishing has been explicitly banned in Hawaii, Texas, Michigan, Kentucky,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: North Carolina, Alaska, and of course, New Jersey.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Texas was kind of a surprise. Many of these
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: state regulations.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Texans, man, they don't like that word one bit banned.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: Many of these states, including Texas, are out on bans.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: They reference the 1971 Federal Airborne Hunting Act that banned shooting, killing,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: or harassing animals or birds from an aircraft. But as
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: with many written and unwritten drone laws, the evolution of
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: regulating this new technology is slowly catching up. But you
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: should always check with your local state wildlife agencies to
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: get the most up-to-date local regulations before fishing with drones
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: over any body of water.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Do you know that song? His name is Rick. He's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: got the itch.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Sounds like a commercial.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: No, it's Rick. Our camera guy likes flying his drone.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: And he tries to make up reasons to fly it. Sure.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: And then we'll sing the song. His name is Rick.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: He's got the itch. He's a drone enthusiast.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: It looks fun as hell.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: There's an old man in my neighborhood who flies model airplanes, right?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: That brings me joy. When I see him at the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: park with a model airplane, a drone doesn't bring me joy.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: But the sound, you just hear that sound and you
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: know what's coming your way.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I hate them. I hate them. It's like, I just
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: hate them.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Those people are lucky I'm not like the emperor.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: For many reasons.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I would give. Chain lightning. I would take everyone's drone
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: and give it to the military. I think the military
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: should have more drones they know what to do with.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: I got a buddy who fishes drone fishes, but he's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: got a little boat.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing those.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: You like that? That's cute.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Like the old Cabela's catalog or the old Bass Pro catalog.
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  Speaker 2: I remember seeing a little boat with the pincher on
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  Speaker 2: the back for your line. And I always thought, man,
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  Speaker 2: I'd catch some bigger catfish if I had that back.
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  Speaker 1: There's something cute about that. Yeah. So boat drone's good.
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  Speaker 1: Flying drone's bad. I'm not saying it's good. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: saying I just. And that was a great report. You're
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  Speaker 1: not done, are you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: He takes it back. It finished just on time. It's
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  Speaker 1: got the wheels turning big time. Outside of any individual issue,
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  Speaker 1: someone say, well, what about recovering you wound a deer
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  Speaker 1: and the drone helps you recover? I'm like, that's really great, man,
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  Speaker 1: because no one wants to lose deer. No one wants
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: the deer to go to waste. No one wants the
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  Speaker 1: hunter to have to live with not being able to
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  Speaker 1: find a deer. So they're like, okay, I have some
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  Speaker 1: sympathy there. What about this? Or what about that? I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I have some sympathy there. But I just mean generally
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  Speaker 1: My general attitude toward them is I just hate them.
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  Speaker 1: Except for the military. I think they should have a
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  Speaker 1: boatload of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think restrictions are going to get tighter and
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  Speaker 4: tighter as the years go on. Well, they're just becoming
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  Speaker 4: more and more popular.
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  Speaker 1: Cheaper.
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  Speaker 4: Easier to use.
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  Speaker 1: It's so invasive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like having an anal probe. But in the air.
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  Speaker 1: But in the air. Yeah. Over you. But my body
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  Speaker 1: registers it the same.
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  Speaker 4: Can't relate to that one.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a laughing matter, man. All right. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: listening to the news show. That was a great report.
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  Speaker 1: This is upcoming talent right here. I'd be careful.
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  Speaker 4: September's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Unavailable. What's coming? Unavailable. You should have bombed. If you
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  Speaker 1: had come out and just bombed.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, well, I guess I'm out for September, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Let's try again this winter. Yeah, January, let me try again.
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  Speaker 1: I might be able to do a good news story
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  Speaker 1: in January, but I need some time to reflect on
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  Speaker 1: how bad I bombed with September coming on. All right,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for listening to the new show. Find us next week.