Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Babysitter terrorizes tot CAUGHT ON NANNY-CAM

Transcript

Babysitter terrorizes tot CAUGHT ON NANNY-CAM · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

0:05
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You're not a believer in nannycams.
0:14
Speaker 1: You think it invades your child's privacy. I hate to
0:21
Speaker 1: tell you this, but you're wrong. And this is why
0:26
Speaker 1: two year old Decline oglesby. That's why a two year
0:35
Speaker 1: old little boy screaming at the hands of his babysitter
0:43
Speaker 1: while his parents see exactly what's happening in real time,
0:49
Speaker 1: but guess what, they're an hour away. Rhyme Stories with
1:01
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Take a listen to our friends at WCTI.
1:10
Speaker 1: Nanny is in custody and a family's in shock after
1:14
Speaker 1: viewing that video. A Newbern couple saw that video of
1:18
Speaker 1: their home security cameras, the woman they hired to take
1:21
Speaker 1: care of their children holding down their toddler, forcing food
1:25
Speaker 1: into his mouth, the child screaming and trying to get away.
1:28
Speaker 1: Newborn police saying that nanny is twenty five year old
1:31
Speaker 1: Loring Row of Newbern. Tonight, she's in custody and facing charges.
1:36
Speaker 1: When you see this video, you will agree. A two
1:40
Speaker 1: year old little boy screaming and the hands of his
1:44
Speaker 1: own babysitter. Take a listen to this. This is the
1:50
Speaker 1: nanny cam video. You ready no no, you are not
2:18
Speaker 1: doing it here. No, I don't know. You can and
2:26
Speaker 1: eat your food. Yeah. It all starts with the baby
2:32
Speaker 1: not wanting to eat. How many times did that happen
2:35
Speaker 1: when I was raising the twins? How about three or
2:37
Speaker 1: four times a day? But clamping their mouth shut after
2:43
Speaker 1: you shove food down their throat, the baby choking on
2:48
Speaker 1: the food, screaming when he can come up for air,
2:54
Speaker 1: with the babysitter screaming at him. It goes on and
2:58
Speaker 1: on and on. It's actually painful to listen to. But
3:03
Speaker 1: this is the truth. Take a listen to more of
3:06
Speaker 1: the nanny camp video. You want this your mood? Do
3:20
Speaker 1: you want it? He's your mood? Hey? Good? What do
3:25
Speaker 1: you want it? Take Goodye? Do you want this? Takey?
3:32
Speaker 1: Do you want it? Oh? You don't. You don't want this.
3:38
Speaker 1: You don't want it. You don't want it? Okay you can.
3:50
Speaker 1: You are hearing a little baby declan, crying, and then
3:55
Speaker 1: the nanny starts force feeding him as he gets the
3:59
Speaker 1: food choked in his throat and she holds his mouth shut.
4:04
Speaker 1: It just so happens that Mommy happens to look and
4:09
Speaker 1: see in real time what's happening to her. Baby again.
4:14
Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
4:16
Speaker 1: being with us. I'm going to introduce you our all
4:18
Speaker 1: star panel, but first I want to ask our pediatrician
4:22
Speaker 1: joining us, doctor free and Hess at pettymom dot com.
4:26
Speaker 1: Doctor has thank you for being with us. What is
4:29
Speaker 1: it about hearing a baby scream? It didn't affect me
4:34
Speaker 1: before I had children. I mean I didn't like it,
4:36
Speaker 1: But once you have children and you hear a baby scream,
4:41
Speaker 1: it literally it just makes your skin crawl. What happens
4:48
Speaker 1: It is absolutely a parent or caregiver instinct. I think
4:54
Speaker 1: you're right people people are bothered by it prior to
4:57
Speaker 1: but once you know not only am I a pediatric
5:00
Speaker 1: in pediatric emergency medicine, but I am a mom as well,
5:03
Speaker 1: and I agree it hit me differently. I saw children
5:07
Speaker 1: that had issues and were abused or injuries prior to
5:10
Speaker 1: being a mom, and then I saw them after and
5:13
Speaker 1: it is very, very different. It's just in the core
5:16
Speaker 1: of you to have this feeling to protect and have
5:19
Speaker 1: this feeling of anger when you see that somebody is
5:24
Speaker 1: hurting this innocent child who has no ability to protect
5:28
Speaker 1: themselves from an adult, and you just want to literally
5:33
Speaker 1: jump through the screen, through the speaker, through whatever it
5:36
Speaker 1: is that you need to jump through to help that child.
5:39
Speaker 1: That's just a natural instinct, I think once you start,
5:42
Speaker 1: once you have babies. Yeah, I don't know what happens,
5:45
Speaker 1: doctor Hess, but ever since I had the twins, when
5:47
Speaker 1: I hear a child cry, it's on a plane and
5:50
Speaker 1: I immediately turn around. It's like I can't stop myself
5:54
Speaker 1: and hearing Babe deck On crying, it's just you know,
5:59
Speaker 1: and I want to go to you too. Doug Burns
6:02
Speaker 1: joining me, former federal prosecutor, prosecutor now TV lawyer at
6:07
Speaker 1: Doug T. Burns Esquire on LinkedIn. Doug, thank you for
6:11
Speaker 1: being with us. You know, have you ever seen a
6:16
Speaker 1: prosecutor or a defense attorney act something out or let
6:21
Speaker 1: something go in the courtroom, it's full time. For instance,
6:26
Speaker 1: if we say it takes two minutes to choke somebody out,
6:30
Speaker 1: to strangle them dead, and then the prosecutor, I guess
6:34
Speaker 1: we'll go with prosecutor holds a dummy, you know, to
6:38
Speaker 1: look like a human for two minutes, and that two
6:42
Speaker 1: minutes feels like forever in a courtroom. Yeah, it's so
6:47
Speaker 1: interesting that you asked that because forget two minutes. You
6:50
Speaker 1: could go with twenty seconds, fancy, and it's like, ladies
6:53
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, right, you heard the twenty seconds elapsed, So
6:57
Speaker 1: let's just take a look at that for a minute.
6:59
Speaker 1: And now we're going to see there for twenty seconds,
7:00
Speaker 1: and it's an eternity and it really dramatically hits it home.
7:05
Speaker 1: So in this particular case, when I was looking at
7:07
Speaker 1: the fact, the amount of time that elapse is just
7:11
Speaker 1: absolutely horrific, no question about it. And there's something about it.
7:14
Speaker 1: Doug Burns, You've tried a lot of cases in federal court.
7:17
Speaker 1: When you do a demonstration in court like we're about
7:21
Speaker 1: to do right now with our listeners and viewers. I
7:25
Speaker 1: know what I'm about to play is about fifty seconds,
7:28
Speaker 1: but it feels like fifty hours when you listen to it.
7:32
Speaker 1: Have you had that experiencing court, because I have many,
7:35
Speaker 1: many times, and you know a number of I guess
7:39
Speaker 1: clear lack of a description. One is, you know, a
7:41
Speaker 1: picture's worth a thousand words. So the video in this
7:43
Speaker 1: particular case, and again with any apologies for talking XS
7:47
Speaker 1: and os as opposed to the horrific emotion of the
7:50
Speaker 1: parents on what they went through but from a courtroom
7:52
Speaker 1: XS and O's standpoint, the drama and impact of this
7:57
Speaker 1: type of video would be devastating to the defense, devastating.
8:01
Speaker 1: As you're talking Doug Burns, Guys, Doug Burns and I
8:04
Speaker 1: go way way back. He is a longtime federal prosecutor.
8:09
Speaker 1: It's in his blood. His father was a federal prosecutor
8:13
Speaker 1: as well. Wasn't he the A G and where where
8:17
Speaker 1: he was? Thank you for asking my late dad. He's
8:19
Speaker 1: gone to eight years now, but he was Deputy Attorney
8:21
Speaker 1: General of the United States, which is the number two
8:23
Speaker 1: law enforcement position in the country. Right, Yeah, I knew that.
8:28
Speaker 1: You just had to refresh my recollection. Spoken in a
8:32
Speaker 1: little bit exactly, but he was. He was. He was
8:34
Speaker 1: a very effective deputy ag. Yeah. This thing I want
8:37
Speaker 1: you to listen to is exactly what I would play
8:39
Speaker 1: for a jury in an opening statement. Tyler, if we
8:43
Speaker 1: could go out of order and you play for me
8:45
Speaker 1: cut twenty one please, you know what, Toddler, If you
9:30
Speaker 1: could just stop and see that goes on for fifty
9:32
Speaker 1: five seconds, and then there are many other as we
9:37
Speaker 1: call it NAT sound natural sound off that NANNICAM video
9:40
Speaker 1: that are much much longer and you're hearing Decline crying
9:45
Speaker 1: and he's having food shoved down his throat, and then
9:51
Speaker 1: the babysittered crumb the mouth shut and hover over him
9:55
Speaker 1: with the food stuck in his throat. Time Stories with
10:13
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Let me go right now to a very
10:18
Speaker 1: special guest joining us. Laura Oglesby is baby Declan's mother. Laura,
10:26
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, Thank you for having me. Laura.
10:29
Speaker 1: I want to take this in the order of what
10:33
Speaker 1: you saw that day, what's the first thing you saw
10:38
Speaker 1: on the nanny cam and what led you to look
10:40
Speaker 1: at the nanny cam. So it's not necessarily a nanny cam.
10:45
Speaker 1: It's those security cameras that I have throughout the house,
10:48
Speaker 1: and she's all aware of them. I checked them religiously
10:52
Speaker 1: because i'd normally not away from my kids. I've had
10:55
Speaker 1: them since they were born. We're just doing renovations, so
10:57
Speaker 1: I was unable to have them in the bars. It's unsafe,
11:01
Speaker 1: and but every break I have I normally check on them.
11:04
Speaker 1: While whenever I pulled up my camera, it was faced
11:06
Speaker 1: in the front door, but I could hear screaming, so
11:09
Speaker 1: I turned by camera and she actually had him in
11:12
Speaker 1: his booster seats at the kitchen table and was yelling
11:16
Speaker 1: at him and trying to force feed him in the
11:18
Speaker 1: booster seat. And that's when we started running out of
11:20
Speaker 1: the bar. And then she picked him up by his wrists.
11:23
Speaker 1: This is all not shown on there yet. She picks
11:27
Speaker 1: him up by his wrists and sticks him in his
11:29
Speaker 1: brother's high chair, his little brother's won sticks him in
11:32
Speaker 1: his little brother's high chairs to have more control over him.
11:35
Speaker 1: And that's whenever the video starts. That's when the recording starts. Okay,
11:40
Speaker 1: picking up by the wrist. Back to you, doctor Hess,
11:46
Speaker 1: I've heard of I think it's called nanny's arm nursemaid's elbow.
11:53
Speaker 1: And will you pull a child by the arm by
11:57
Speaker 1: the wrist of the arm, and it actually lou sends
12:00
Speaker 1: their arm at the socket. It dislocates their radius at
12:04
Speaker 1: their elbow. Yeah, it's actually a really common injury. Can
12:08
Speaker 1: happen pretty easily. But you, I mean, doing something like
12:11
Speaker 1: that with full weight can not only cause the nurse
12:13
Speaker 1: made's elbow, but can also cause fractures of the risk
12:17
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's just the beginning of it. You know,
12:20
Speaker 1: the part that I saw where his arms are being
12:23
Speaker 1: pinned behind him that can cause significant physical injury. The
12:27
Speaker 1: part where he's getting food shoved into his mouth not
12:30
Speaker 1: only can cause choking, but because he's screaming and crying
12:34
Speaker 1: during it increases the risk of aspiration where food can
12:37
Speaker 1: get down into his lung. There is so much physical
12:41
Speaker 1: damage that can happen here, and that's not even including
12:43
Speaker 1: the psychological damage. That's just the physical damage that can
12:46
Speaker 1: happen here. It's horrifying. And speaking of psychological damage, I
12:50
Speaker 1: was just about to go to Doctor Teresa guil PhD,
12:53
Speaker 1: Professor Psychology, psychotherapist, twenty five years working with child a
12:58
Speaker 1: beach and trauma they She is also an author and
13:03
Speaker 1: you can find her at Teresa gilphd dot com. Doctor gill.
13:08
Speaker 1: One of the happiest moments that we have in our
13:11
Speaker 1: lives is when we all get together for supper after
13:15
Speaker 1: we've been working in at school, and I look forward
13:18
Speaker 1: to it all day long. When the children were younger,
13:20
Speaker 1: I looked forward to giving them their baths and eating.
13:24
Speaker 1: It wasn't really supper time because they would you know,
13:27
Speaker 1: they didn't like high chairs, so we would set them
13:30
Speaker 1: in their stroller, you know, totally surrounded by blankets. And
13:34
Speaker 1: feed them a double stroller twins, you know, at their pace,
13:39
Speaker 1: and it meant a lot to me. And I wonder sometimes,
13:43
Speaker 1: doctor Gil, if people don't have as they grow up
13:46
Speaker 1: eating disorders because of the way they were fed when
13:50
Speaker 1: they were a baby. I've never even seen a study
13:53
Speaker 1: on that, but I've wondered about it. But doctor Gil,
13:57
Speaker 1: what does this do to a child? Not only can
14:00
Speaker 1: kill the child, but emotionally well. I think a lot
14:04
Speaker 1: of what they talk about today is that if a
14:07
Speaker 1: child feels scared and they don't feel connected in face,
14:13
Speaker 1: that it actually changes for that period of time their
14:16
Speaker 1: autonomic nervous system and they go into a stress response. Now,
14:20
Speaker 1: what I saw that was really lovely. So I've done
14:23
Speaker 1: studies on what makes people resilient and not resilient, both
14:27
Speaker 1: in childhood as well as adults. There were two parents
14:32
Speaker 1: that love this kid. And back to Laura Oglesby, this
14:36
Speaker 1: is Deacon's mom. When you saw that happening, what went
14:41
Speaker 1: through your mind? Well, there are not a lot of
14:44
Speaker 1: people want to say that they would have hurt the one.
14:48
Speaker 1: They wanted to get home and get the nanny whatever.
14:50
Speaker 1: That's the last thing I was on my mind. I
14:51
Speaker 1: could care less about the nanny. The only thing that
14:53
Speaker 1: I was worried about is my children getting to take
14:57
Speaker 1: me like somebody getting there, getting the nanny as are
15:00
Speaker 1: out of my house as possible, and it's been being
15:03
Speaker 1: taken care of. Guys. Take a listen to our cut
15:06
Speaker 1: for the nanny camp video, or at least part of it.
15:14
Speaker 1: You ready can take Hi, Hi, Hi y. You can
15:34
Speaker 1: take Hi and then come down, or take any can
15:39
Speaker 1: be done. Oh Hi, you can take Amy and then
15:57
Speaker 1: be all done. Hi. You want to be all here,
16:21
Speaker 1: so you'll beat that. And when you hear Declin yelling out, Addie, Addie,
16:30
Speaker 1: he's calling for his daddy, daddy, and you can hear
16:35
Speaker 1: where he starts actually choking and gurgling up the food.
16:39
Speaker 1: This as mommy Laura Oglesby spots what's happening on their
16:43
Speaker 1: security cameras and immediately tries to rush home to save
16:48
Speaker 1: her two year old little boy, Declin. You know I'm listening.
16:52
Speaker 1: Let me introduce the rest of our panel. With me,
16:53
Speaker 1: of course, is Declin's mother, Laura Oglesby, but also with
16:56
Speaker 1: me Tampa Cherry, America's leading personal safety expert and author
17:00
Speaker 1: of the personal protection handbook You Can find him at
17:04
Speaker 1: Tampatieri dot com. Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor, veteran trial lawyer,
17:09
Speaker 1: Doctor Teresa Gill professor's psychology, doctor, free and hes pediatrician
17:15
Speaker 1: at pettymom dot com. Chris Buyers joining US former police
17:21
Speaker 1: chief John's Creek, Georgia, twenty five years on the beat,
17:25
Speaker 1: now private investigator at Chris Buyer's investigations in polygraph dot
17:29
Speaker 1: com and Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Levi Page
17:33
Speaker 1: to you, Chris Buyers, did you ever see One Flew
17:36
Speaker 1: Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Did you ever see the movie? Okay?
17:39
Speaker 1: Do you remember Nurse Ratchett? Do you remember Nurse Ratchet
17:42
Speaker 1: Do you remember what she would speak to other people?
17:45
Speaker 1: She would be perfectly calm and normal, but she was
17:48
Speaker 1: crazy and evil. Do you remember her? Have you ever
17:54
Speaker 1: dealt on all year years in the force with somebody
17:58
Speaker 1: that when they're talking to you, they're perfectly calm and normal,
18:03
Speaker 1: but you find out in the course of your investigation
18:06
Speaker 1: they are pure evil. Yeah. Absolutely, been in the interrogation
18:11
Speaker 1: room many of times and gotten a completely different side
18:14
Speaker 1: of somebody than you know. The other testimony and video
18:17
Speaker 1: proved so, Yes, been face to face with that many times,
18:21
Speaker 1: you know how, I've seen it a lot of times,
18:22
Speaker 1: Chris is in child abuse cases where people would burn
18:26
Speaker 1: their children cigarette butts and beat them into a coma.
18:30
Speaker 1: Child sex predators, but really like parents or caregivers that
18:37
Speaker 1: beat the children or harm the children. And I've seen
18:41
Speaker 1: it in domestic abuse, typically with a husband or the
18:46
Speaker 1: male partner. They're so charming and polite and kind when
18:50
Speaker 1: they're talking to you, but then you look over at
18:53
Speaker 1: the woman or the child and they're totally covered in
18:55
Speaker 1: bruises and broken bones and fat lips. Something is not right, Buyers, Yeah, absolutely,
19:01
Speaker 1: And you're exactly right. Domestic violence cases more often than
19:06
Speaker 1: not have that exactly They present themselves just like that
19:10
Speaker 1: as this charming person and then you get to see
19:13
Speaker 1: that other side and child predators. I think it's just
19:17
Speaker 1: it's part of their m O that they do, is
19:21
Speaker 1: just this overcharming of people outside of what is happening
19:24
Speaker 1: in the private home and the private part time stories
19:39
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know, we've got a lot of
19:45
Speaker 1: really educated people on our on our as guests today,
19:50
Speaker 1: and I find out the more college education you get,
19:53
Speaker 1: the less you believe in good and evil. I really
19:57
Speaker 1: believe in good and evil. I think there's good and
20:00
Speaker 1: bad in the world, and that good people can somehow
20:05
Speaker 1: end up doing evil, horrible things like what happened to
20:10
Speaker 1: baby Decline. And if it had not been for the
20:13
Speaker 1: mother who's with us today, Laura oglesby having those security
20:18
Speaker 1: cameras in her home, we would never know what happened.
20:23
Speaker 1: Baby Decla's not old enough to articulate. You can't even
20:26
Speaker 1: say daddy correctly in this video. Anyway, he couldn't tell
20:31
Speaker 1: mom what was happening. Tom pa Terry with me, America's
20:34
Speaker 1: leading personal safety expert and author of the Personal Protection handbook.
20:38
Speaker 1: Tom tell me about security cameras. I call them all
20:43
Speaker 1: nanny cams. We've got our home totally tricked out with
20:47
Speaker 1: nanny cams. Well, let's let's talk about what's out there,
20:50
Speaker 1: all right, So there aren't the nanny cams the best
20:52
Speaker 1: start of the new pinhole cameras. You can put them
20:54
Speaker 1: all over your house. You can use them anytime, clicking
20:57
Speaker 1: on your phone and checking balance. The key is whether
21:00
Speaker 1: you want people to know or not know. So the
21:03
Speaker 1: old security adage is you know, you keep them coburt
21:06
Speaker 1: you don't tell anybody. But the new theory is, if
21:09
Speaker 1: you have somebody, especially if they're watching your kids or something,
21:12
Speaker 1: let them know they're in spotlight. Let them know you
21:14
Speaker 1: can hear and see everything in every minute, you know.
21:18
Speaker 1: So if you see something on that camera, get on
21:20
Speaker 1: the phone, say what are you doing? You know, and
21:22
Speaker 1: do a check and bounce. But that's one phase of it.
21:26
Speaker 1: And you know you do the background that's another phase.
21:28
Speaker 1: But let me tell you what people are doing. Now.
21:30
Speaker 1: You have the neighborhood watch. Right now, people are calling
21:34
Speaker 1: a neighborhood responder. So all the parents get together and say, okay,
21:38
Speaker 1: I'm working on this day, I'm off on this day,
21:40
Speaker 1: I'm you know, and they figure out who's around. So
21:43
Speaker 1: let's say, in what happened in this young lady's case,
21:46
Speaker 1: she has somebody she trusts. She can now make the
21:49
Speaker 1: call for somebody to get over that house now and check,
21:52
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on, and get ready to call
21:54
Speaker 1: the police. So people are using their own resources of
21:57
Speaker 1: people they trust and love to protect our kids. Remember,
22:01
Speaker 1: as parents, we are protectors. So we're protective parents, but
22:06
Speaker 1: we need help, and help is putting things in spotlight
22:09
Speaker 1: and using the people you know would trust to help.
22:12
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like you, Laura Oglesby, when the twins
22:15
Speaker 1: still had babysitters during the day, I told the babysitters
22:20
Speaker 1: right up front, there's an Annie cam. I've got them
22:23
Speaker 1: all over the house. Just know that. And I didn't
22:28
Speaker 1: suggest that they were going to do anything bad or wrong.
22:30
Speaker 1: I just, you know, wanted it very clear. I had
22:33
Speaker 1: my eyes on them. Twenty four seven, three sixty five.
22:37
Speaker 1: Thank God in Heaven, guys, take a listen to our
22:40
Speaker 1: cut five. This is justin Lunday w t N. I
22:44
Speaker 1: wanted to kick, I wanted to come here, and I
22:46
Speaker 1: wanted to pin her down, and I wanted to put
22:48
Speaker 1: foods in her mouth. That was Laura Oglesby's initial reaction
22:52
Speaker 1: when she and her husband Max took a peep of
22:55
Speaker 1: their out home security camera while that worked Tuesday night
22:58
Speaker 1: to discover their namey Rold restraining the crying two year
23:02
Speaker 1: old son declin In, appearing to force feeder. In the video,
23:11
Speaker 1: you can hear Declin's struggling against rope as she appears
23:14
Speaker 1: to try and push chicken pot pie into his mouth.
23:19
Speaker 1: Did you ever suspect your nanny of doing something like this? No,
23:22
Speaker 1: of course. I mean, you don't leave your child with
23:24
Speaker 1: someone who suspect would harm them. So we had no
23:28
Speaker 1: thought process that she would do anything like this or
23:31
Speaker 1: any complete shot, complete shot. And I'm just trying to
23:34
Speaker 1: figure out, Laura Oglesby, when you were racing home, trying
23:39
Speaker 1: to get home, what was going through your mind? My
23:41
Speaker 1: child safety. I was wondering what else was going on.
23:44
Speaker 1: I also was still watching it live, So yeah, I
23:48
Speaker 1: mean I was just I was at a loss. Guys,
23:52
Speaker 1: we are talking with Declin's mom, Laura Oglesby. Levi Pays
23:57
Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter or leave
23:59
Speaker 1: I take it from the top. What happened? So? Max
24:02
Speaker 1: and Laura Oglesby lived in Newborn, North Carolina, and they're
24:06
Speaker 1: renovating a bar that they owned forty five minutes away
24:10
Speaker 1: in Washington, North Carolina. They took a break from renovating,
24:15
Speaker 1: they decided to look at the security cameras they had
24:17
Speaker 1: set up in the house and October twenty six US
24:20
Speaker 1: when this happened, they discovered two year old Declan screaming,
24:24
Speaker 1: no crying out for his daddy, sobbing, and the nanny
24:28
Speaker 1: forced feeding him chicken pot pie she was also holding
24:31
Speaker 1: his arms behind his back, and also, Nancy, the most
24:35
Speaker 1: disturbing part to me is when she put her hand
24:39
Speaker 1: over his mouth after forcing food into it. Okay, guys,
24:44
Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms behind it's back, right there, Chris Buyers,
24:53
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of child abuse cases. When you're
24:56
Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms back, that should be internal bill
25:01
Speaker 1: of alarm to you that what you're doing is wrong. Yeah. Absolutely,
25:06
Speaker 1: Just you know, as a parent, I just cannot imagine
25:10
Speaker 1: doing that to a child. And as a caregiver, she
25:14
Speaker 1: knew exactly what she was doing that was injuring that
25:17
Speaker 1: sound absolutely and what is that joining us? Our psychologist
25:21
Speaker 1: psychotherapist doctor Teresa Guild to exert to want to exert
25:25
Speaker 1: power and control over your child. And I don't mean
25:29
Speaker 1: when they misbehave, you don't swat them on the booty
25:32
Speaker 1: or give them time out or take away a privilege.
25:36
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't discipline your child. They have to
25:39
Speaker 1: know don't run out in the road, don't jump out
25:43
Speaker 1: of the car, wear your seatbelt. They have to know
25:46
Speaker 1: certain rules to live. But when you physically exert control
25:51
Speaker 1: over them, what is that need inside an adult to
25:55
Speaker 1: do that to a child. I think this thing that
25:57
Speaker 1: stood out for me the most time I watched the
25:59
Speaker 1: video was how calm she was and unaffected by his cries.
26:05
Speaker 1: And she really believed. The word control comes up again.
26:09
Speaker 1: If you don't control you're two year old, he will
26:12
Speaker 1: walk all over you. And I don't believe, and I've
26:15
Speaker 1: seen this before and working with mothers or parents who
26:18
Speaker 1: have been abusive, that they have any recollection nor any
26:22
Speaker 1: idea of what they have. What they're doing is actually abuse.
26:27
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you talk to her, she would say,
26:30
Speaker 1: I was disciplining him, and I was teaching him right
26:33
Speaker 1: for wrong, and I was making sure that he ate.
26:37
Speaker 1: And I was looking at some of the Facebook comments
26:40
Speaker 1: from people and a number of the Facebook and I
26:43
Speaker 1: usually go to Facebook comments just to kind of gauge
26:46
Speaker 1: how people are thinking on things, and one woman said
26:49
Speaker 1: that nanny was in control and not abusive. He was
26:53
Speaker 1: just a spoiled child and she just wanted him to
26:56
Speaker 1: take one bite. You know, they're so interesting that you
26:59
Speaker 1: said that, doctor Gill, because we recently covered the case
27:03
Speaker 1: where a cop and his new wife took his natural
27:10
Speaker 1: son that he had from his first wife and to
27:16
Speaker 1: discipline the child would make him go sleep out in
27:19
Speaker 1: the garage at night to discipline him, and he died.
27:23
Speaker 1: He died of hypothermia. It was later discovered that he
27:27
Speaker 1: had been disciplined with beatings and withholding food, all sorts
27:35
Speaker 1: of discipline that ended up with the boy dead. And
27:40
Speaker 1: I have heard that same sad song about just disciplining
27:45
Speaker 1: the child from so many murderers that it actually makes
27:52
Speaker 1: me feel nauseous to hear some uninformed person on Facebook
27:57
Speaker 1: say that. And just because it's done in control, and
28:00
Speaker 1: it's not done with screens, and it's done with thinking
28:04
Speaker 1: ahead of exactly what you want to do. They think
28:08
Speaker 1: parents that it's not abuse, it is punishment and teaching
28:13
Speaker 1: them right from wrong. Okay to you, Laura Ogglesby, you're
28:16
Speaker 1: hearing what our Facebook friends have to say about this.
28:21
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that, Laura, I'm kind of trying
28:25
Speaker 1: to take everybody's comments with a grain of salt. I mean,
28:27
Speaker 1: there's something that are really supportive, but there's also a
28:29
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that are saying like that
28:32
Speaker 1: mother shouldn't work, that they should be at home taking
28:36
Speaker 1: care of their children, and that nobody else should be
28:38
Speaker 1: taking care of your children for you, and that my
28:41
Speaker 1: child is a brat, and that several, I mean several
28:44
Speaker 1: mean things have been said. I'm just trying to go
28:47
Speaker 1: let it brush off my shoulder because clearly a lot
28:49
Speaker 1: of those people probably don't have kids. So yeah, you know,
28:54
Speaker 1: Laura ogglesby, you says you're going to take it with
28:56
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, as I like to say, I'll
28:59
Speaker 1: take it with the bots assault on that one. Guys,
29:02
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut seven. This is Kate
29:05
Speaker 1: Pussy WCTI. The couple's emotions still running high thinking about
29:12
Speaker 1: the moment, Laura just happened to pull up her home
29:14
Speaker 1: security camera footage on her phone well at work Tuesday night,
29:18
Speaker 1: to see their nanny, who police confirm is twenty five
29:21
Speaker 1: year old Lauren Rowe holding their child down in his
29:23
Speaker 1: high chair forcing food into his mouth. We were in shock.
29:28
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like it was all real at the time,
29:32
Speaker 1: but the immediate reaction was we need to get her
29:34
Speaker 1: as far away from o children as possible. The couple
29:37
Speaker 1: nearly an hour away in Washington, racing home as quickly
29:41
Speaker 1: as they could. While we were driving, we had it
29:43
Speaker 1: on and we were watching the whole thing. Time stories
29:59
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys in this case appearance race home
30:07
Speaker 1: to get to the scene as quickly as they can.
30:09
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight News Channel twelve.
30:13
Speaker 1: The couple filed a police report with Newburn Police the
30:16
Speaker 1: very next day. She came highly recommended. Her background was clear,
30:20
Speaker 1: and there were no red class up until that point.
30:23
Speaker 1: No row even how to profile oncare dot com. The
30:26
Speaker 1: company tells me the background check all caregivers, a process
30:30
Speaker 1: that includes running a social Security number trace, checking national
30:34
Speaker 1: sex offender, public websites, performing multi jurisdictional criminal database searches,
30:40
Speaker 1: and going through both federal and county criminal records. To you,
30:44
Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby, how did you find this babysitter? So I
30:48
Speaker 1: went on to a Facebook mom's group, and I saw
30:51
Speaker 1: that she had been recommended in there as a swim
30:54
Speaker 1: teacher for infant and a lot of people were recommending
30:59
Speaker 1: her for that. Then wherever I actually reached out to
31:01
Speaker 1: her to see if she did nanny. She said that
31:04
Speaker 1: she had done it for three years back in California.
31:07
Speaker 1: So we brought her in for an interview, and then
31:11
Speaker 1: after the interview, I re checked oncare dot com to
31:14
Speaker 1: make sure that she's verified and everything, and she was,
31:18
Speaker 1: and so then we ended up higher on you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: Doug Burns. We have covered severalcare dot com cases, sure,
31:28
Speaker 1: and usually they did not end up the way this
31:32
Speaker 1: case ended up. Guys, take a listen to our cut fifteen.
31:37
Speaker 1: This is Heather Lee at k m EG Fox forty four.
31:42
Speaker 1: October twenty nine, thirty three year old Rochelle Stapp was
31:45
Speaker 1: watching three year old Autumn Eldersma at her in home
31:47
Speaker 1: daycare center. A court document, Sapp called Autumn's mother around
31:52
Speaker 1: nine o'clock that morning to tell her Autumn had fallen
31:55
Speaker 1: down the stairs. She said she would keep a close
31:58
Speaker 1: eye on Autumn and give her some tail in all.
32:00
Speaker 1: Not even twenty minutes later, Sap called Autumn's mother again
32:03
Speaker 1: to tell her Autumn was quote way out of it
32:06
Speaker 1: and that she thought her neck was hurt. Autumn's mother
32:09
Speaker 1: rushed to SAP's house. Autumn was taken to Orange City Hospital,
32:13
Speaker 1: but because her injuries were so bad, she was airlifted
32:16
Speaker 1: to a hospital in Swoux Falls. Doctors there diagnosed her
32:19
Speaker 1: with the skull fracture and brain swelling. She died of
32:22
Speaker 1: her injuries October thirty, first SAP's initial claimed that Autumn
32:26
Speaker 1: fell down the stairs didn't match up with a medical
32:28
Speaker 1: opinion that the little girl's injuries were not consistent with
32:31
Speaker 1: that kind of fall. Stap later told police she threw
32:34
Speaker 1: the girl down hard on the floor, causing her to
32:37
Speaker 1: hit her head, because she was frustrated with Autumn, who
32:40
Speaker 1: was having trouble getting her jacket off. To Laura Oglesby,
32:45
Speaker 1: the Autumn case, little Autumn who died after being thrown
32:52
Speaker 1: down the stairs by her babysitter after they had had
32:56
Speaker 1: an escalating argument over where this little three year old,
33:01
Speaker 1: whether the little girl three years old would wear her coat.
33:07
Speaker 1: And it's amazing how an adult with a child, a
33:11
Speaker 1: two or three year old child can have an argument
33:14
Speaker 1: escalate and the child ends up dead. When you think
33:20
Speaker 1: back on what you saw on your home surveillance cam,
33:24
Speaker 1: the argument escalating between your baby Decline just two years old,
33:31
Speaker 1: and Lauren Row, the twenty five year old babysitter, can
33:36
Speaker 1: you imagine what could have happened? Yeah, I mean that
33:41
Speaker 1: was honestly the first one of the first things to
33:43
Speaker 1: with her my head is that she could end up
33:46
Speaker 1: killing him like that was one of the main reasons
33:48
Speaker 1: that I wanted somebody here to take care of him
33:51
Speaker 1: and hurt on because I didn't know what she was
33:54
Speaker 1: capable of after that point. And we do have stairs
33:57
Speaker 1: at our house, and if she literally had no problem
34:01
Speaker 1: with sticking her hand over his mouth and plugging his
34:04
Speaker 1: nose while he's also sick and has a running nose
34:08
Speaker 1: so he can't breathe out of it anyway. Laura, how
34:11
Speaker 1: has Decline behaved after this incident. Every night since this
34:17
Speaker 1: all happened, she's been waking up in the middle of
34:18
Speaker 1: the night, and it's not a normal like Toddler sometimes
34:21
Speaker 1: will wake up in fus He screams bloody murder to
34:23
Speaker 1: the point where I'm almost scared to go and there
34:25
Speaker 1: because I'm scared somebody's in there with him. Then also
34:30
Speaker 1: now he if you try to go up to him
34:32
Speaker 1: to like hand him anything or ask him to come here,
34:34
Speaker 1: he'll run and hide. He'll hide behind the couch, He'll
34:37
Speaker 1: hide behind if you're outside, he hides behind the trees.
34:41
Speaker 1: And he has been attached to my hip since this
34:44
Speaker 1: all happened. I cannot even get out of his eyesight
34:46
Speaker 1: without him freaking out, you know, And it makes me
34:49
Speaker 1: wonder what has happened before you saw it on the video?
34:55
Speaker 1: What may have happened outside the video eyeline? And that's
34:59
Speaker 1: what I was asking you earlier. Tapati Safety Expert author
35:03
Speaker 1: Personal Protection Handbook. Where should you place the videos? I
35:07
Speaker 1: call them all nanny cams, a home surveillance security videos.
35:10
Speaker 1: Where should they be? You got to put them in
35:13
Speaker 1: direct angles where you could cover the whole room. You know,
35:16
Speaker 1: most people see exterior cameras. They may have one or
35:19
Speaker 1: two inside. But for the cost of cameras today and
35:23
Speaker 1: as small as they are, I mean, it's very cost effective.
35:26
Speaker 1: But when they're placed or at the highest angle, that
35:28
Speaker 1: opens up the whole room so you could see everything.
35:32
Speaker 1: Mommy races home to try and save her two year
35:35
Speaker 1: old little boy decline. Not everybody has been as lucky
35:40
Speaker 1: as Laura Oglesby. Take a listen to our cut sixteen,
35:44
Speaker 1: A nanny camera captures shocking images of a nanny named
35:47
Speaker 1: Dana Cash allegedly shaking a one year old girl. Child's
35:51
Speaker 1: mother who didn't want to be identified and spoke to
35:53
Speaker 1: us exclusively. I was appalled, She says. She first found
35:57
Speaker 1: this video after her eight year old son, who witnessed
35:59
Speaker 1: the pack, told her about it. After the mom found
36:02
Speaker 1: the video and watched it for herself. She then showed
36:04
Speaker 1: it to Cash. That baby was saved, much like Laura
36:09
Speaker 1: Oglesby's baby was saved. But we haven't all been so lucky.
36:14
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seventeen, when a mother
36:18
Speaker 1: checked in on her two year old special need son
36:21
Speaker 1: from the nanny Kim app on her phone. Something didn't
36:24
Speaker 1: seem right. I saw her just looking at him and
36:29
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything while he's screaming and crying, and
36:31
Speaker 1: I thought that was odd. What Diana co was about
36:34
Speaker 1: to see next would shake her to her core and
36:36
Speaker 1: changed her life forever. Diana quickly figured out the nurse
36:40
Speaker 1: who was supposed to be caring for her son was
36:43
Speaker 1: beating him. The nurse's abuse gets more savage. At one point,
36:47
Speaker 1: she rolls up a magazine and uses it as a weapon.
36:50
Speaker 1: The excruciating scene played out as Diana watched it live.
36:54
Speaker 1: She and her husband were at least twenty minutes away.
36:57
Speaker 1: Diana and her husband called nine police race to the scene.
37:01
Speaker 1: You see them arrive and arrest the nurse, making this
37:04
Speaker 1: all the more horrific. You were hearing our friends just
37:07
Speaker 1: then at CBSLA and before at ABC seven. Now take
37:12
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eighteen. ABC seven Maria Gonzalez
37:16
Speaker 1: is facing child's abuse charges after Livermore PD says the
37:20
Speaker 1: twenty year old nanny was caught on camera. Neighbors describe
37:23
Speaker 1: Gonzalez as smiling and bubbling. According to charging documents, on
37:27
Speaker 1: February eighteenth, Gonzalez was caring for a thirteen month old boy.
37:32
Speaker 1: When the boy's mom came home, she discovered abuse when
37:35
Speaker 1: she watched nanny cam video. Specifically, Gonzalez was attempting to
37:39
Speaker 1: calm the baby. When she placed her hands closer to
37:42
Speaker 1: the baby's face, his cries went from clear and audible
37:45
Speaker 1: to muffled. The baby began to squirm and kick and
37:49
Speaker 1: then went limp. She was strangling and smothering the baby.
37:54
Speaker 1: All this was revealed on nanny cam. To Laura Oglesby,
38:00
Speaker 1: be Declan's mother, what do you have to say to
38:04
Speaker 1: those nonbelievers about security camps. I think it's incredibly important
38:09
Speaker 1: because outside of even if you don't have a nanny,
38:13
Speaker 1: you can still see, like if your child somehow falls
38:16
Speaker 1: down and hits their head and something's wrong with them,
38:19
Speaker 1: you can replace back the film and you can see
38:21
Speaker 1: what happened, and no better on what you can tell
38:24
Speaker 1: doctors and emergency people that come responders all together. A
38:31
Speaker 1: security system is so important. In our Gay to You,
38:35
Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's police former police chief John's Creek. I included
38:41
Speaker 1: in my last book, Don't Be a Victim, a case
38:45
Speaker 1: where three children went missing and they've been playing in
38:50
Speaker 1: the front yard, and the mom and the family, everybody's
38:53
Speaker 1: going out yelling and screaming for them, and they were
38:58
Speaker 1: found in an abandoned freezer that him like one of
39:01
Speaker 1: those chest freezers that had been pulled out by either
39:05
Speaker 1: them or the neighbor to go out with the trash.
39:09
Speaker 1: When the trashman came and all three children had gotten
39:12
Speaker 1: into the freezer and they all three died. If they
39:16
Speaker 1: had had a nanny cam like Laura Oglesby has sort
39:20
Speaker 1: of security surveillance, they may have been saved. Yeah. Absolutely,
39:25
Speaker 1: I mean just think if you had that surveillance system
39:28
Speaker 1: you could go back to and watch and get to
39:30
Speaker 1: them with them minutes. It would have been, like you said,
39:33
Speaker 1: life saving and day burns now juries. Practically expect it.
39:38
Speaker 1: When you have a case. They want to know is
39:40
Speaker 1: their surveillance video and it is craned so many cases,
39:43
Speaker 1: Doug Burns, no question about it, Nancy. You know whatever,
39:46
Speaker 1: they call it the CSI effect. You know, jurors are
39:49
Speaker 1: expecting more and more concrete evidence, and again not to
39:53
Speaker 1: be a broken record. In this case. You have the
39:55
Speaker 1: whole thing right there on the video. And you know
39:58
Speaker 1: the statute, by the way, real quick talks about creating
40:01
Speaker 1: an unreasonable risk of physical injury. That's crystal clear, and
40:04
Speaker 1: that makes it a crime on their North Carolina. You
40:07
Speaker 1: know what, I'm really surprised about, Doug Burds. This has
40:10
Speaker 1: only been charged as a misdemeanor. You don't have you
40:12
Speaker 1: noticed that when a child is a victim, very often
40:15
Speaker 1: the cases they're pled down to manslaughter or the perp
40:19
Speaker 1: gets a lighter sentence. I noticed it when I was prosecuting.
40:23
Speaker 1: You kill a man or a woman, you're going down
40:25
Speaker 1: for murder. You kill an infant, and it's chalked off as, oh,
40:30
Speaker 1: the parent was frustrated and it's a voluntary manslaughter. I
40:34
Speaker 1: hate that. It's interesting that you say that, because of
40:36
Speaker 1: course I noticed that it was charged that way. Unfortunately,
40:40
Speaker 1: and again, apologies, this is just excess. I know, it's
40:42
Speaker 1: you know, courtroom talk. The point is, thank God, obviously
40:47
Speaker 1: obviously editorial, that the child was not you know, seriously harmed,
40:52
Speaker 1: although charging as a felony. Doug, God, the baby's not dead.
40:59
Speaker 1: You didn't let me, you didn't let me finish. And
41:01
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is that in the
41:03
Speaker 1: real world, day to day, it's too much driven by
41:05
Speaker 1: the level of injury. That's what dictates how it's charged. Well,
41:09
Speaker 1: I can tell you this. If somebody got you dug Burns,
41:13
Speaker 1: which should be probably hard to do because you're over
41:15
Speaker 1: six feet, but somehow managed to get a hold of you,
41:18
Speaker 1: throw you down, pin your arms behind your back, stuff something.
41:23
Speaker 1: Let's just say a sot down your throat, pinch your nose,
41:25
Speaker 1: and hold your mouth shut. I bet that would be
41:28
Speaker 1: an aggravated assault, which is a felony Burns inherent yea
41:32
Speaker 1: inherent in. What I was saying is is that I disagree,
41:36
Speaker 1: and I've seen it time and time again in over
41:37
Speaker 1: thirty years, where the injury dictates everything, and that should
41:41
Speaker 1: not be the case because in this particular case, in
41:44
Speaker 1: this particular case, you could have had this child choke
41:47
Speaker 1: to death so fast your head would be spending and
41:49
Speaker 1: it should be charged as a felony. I agree with you,
41:51
Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby. This has got to make your heads spin.
41:55
Speaker 1: Why is this woman just charged with a misdemeanor. She's
41:57
Speaker 1: going to get straight probation, you know that, right? Yeah,
42:00
Speaker 1: they told me that the max that she would probably
42:02
Speaker 1: do with the sixty days. And actually, when I went
42:05
Speaker 1: to the police station to begin with the cops, they
42:09
Speaker 1: were all very nice. He was trying to find something
42:11
Speaker 1: in the video to be able to charge her with
42:13
Speaker 1: child abuse. And what happened was I had a splot
42:17
Speaker 1: down the video sent zoom in to prove that she
42:20
Speaker 1: was pubbing his mouth and his nose, not just his mouth,
42:24
Speaker 1: and not cupping under his chin, and that's what made
42:26
Speaker 1: a child abuse. I think this is really wrong the
42:29
Speaker 1: way it's charged, Laura. This should be a felony. If
42:33
Speaker 1: this was done to an adult, this would be a felony.
42:36
Speaker 1: If I grabbed Jackie here and pinch her nose and
42:39
Speaker 1: hold her mouth shut, and no, that is a felony.
42:43
Speaker 1: So Leavi page, what is happening with this case? Well, Nancy,
42:47
Speaker 1: that nanny, Lauren Rowe, twenty five years old, was arrested.
42:51
Speaker 1: She was charged with misdemeanor child abuse and thirty minutes
42:55
Speaker 1: later she posted bond and was released two five hundred
42:58
Speaker 1: dollars and the state of North Carolina for misdemeanor child abuse.
43:03
Speaker 1: The max that she can get is one hundred and
43:06
Speaker 1: fifty days m We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace
43:13
Speaker 1: comes story, signing off goodbye friends.