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  Unknown: Years old.
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  But if it gets to 31, well, it depends on whether it rains or not.
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  And we're connected there.
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  Okay. Right. Now what do we do? Yeah. Hang on.
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  I'm just gonna put you on mute for now.
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  Well,
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  hello. Good evening and all that kind of stuff. Boy, that was really a bit tricky just then. Something
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  something was lots of fun just then. What day is this? Bloody Thursday again. God, I've come floating
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  around. Anyway, welcome Paul English live episode. I think it's one four nine. That means it must be 01:50 next week. I'm very good at maths.
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  Welcome to the show. We've got an action packed show tonight possibly,
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  but not necessarily in the way that we want.
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  Here we go.
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  Coming up momentarily,
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  we're gonna be joined by Charles Fernandez in about five minutes time.
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  And then after the top of the hour,
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  well, somebody very interesting is gonna be joining us, Alexander Pole, who's been in a film about four years ago. He's not a film star. Well, maybe he is, but that should prove to be quite fun too.
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  When will the summer end?
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  It won't end, will it? Now I'm moaning about it. Where are we now? July 23?
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  Very strange. I don't know about your time systems. Mine have been thrown right out, I can tell you. Because by now, we've had so much sunshine, you're thinking, well, it must be sort of like the end of August, early September, and it isn't. And I don't think the schools, they still have those things, don't they? Those ridiculous institutions called schools.
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  I don't think the schools have even broken up yet. I don't remember breaking up on the July 23 before. I think it was always the end of July, and then we used to get six weeks stretch, the whole of August and the first week of September,
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  something like that. But the sun's been going on so long, I've kinda lost track of the whole thing. It seems a very, very long summer. See? We can even grumble about that around here. Most of the pedestrians that I bumped into feel the same way.
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  They really do.
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  I've heard that rain is on the way this weekend, and, of course, because this is Food For Thought Radio, and it's also WBN three two four, and we're also going out on YouTube and Rumble according to my signaling charts here.
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  And we're going out on Holy Land Radio and Eurofolk Radio and probably somebody that I've forgotten. Oh, Global Voice Network. So this is a real Radio Tart show, but shout out to all of you wherever you are. So it's just gone just coming up to five past eight here in jolly old England,
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  and that means it must be about five past three US eastern time. So welcome one and all to the show.
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  Somebody who may have been enjoying
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  Unknown: the the weather as well is Eric Von Essex. Hello. Hello, Eric. And Oh, greasings. Greasings. And I tell you who else is enjoying the weather. I went up to the farm this morning,
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  and the chickens are laying again. Because I've gone through their They're lying, you say? They're lying or laying? Laying. Are they? Laying. And I've got, oh, loads of eggs with crap all over them that shows that they're actually new laid.
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  Unknown: And one of them was warm as it come out the chicken probably kicked out a few moments ago. So there we are. I've got some nice fresh eggs, and they're cheaper than Tesco's. So there we go. Very nice to. Cheaper than Tesco. I had I had three lovely little chucky eggs for breakfast this morning on a nice slice of toast. That was good. Lovely. Then I had another slice of toast with marmalade on, but I'm also addicted to Marmite at the moment. I can't stop going through Marmite.
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  You're not a Marmite guy?
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  Unknown: Well, we are I I I went to Marmite, and I try I got a bit heavier than that man, but I was really addicted to it. You know what I mean? You know? I just cooked.
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  I I I was going to a group, secret group, and, you know, together we're trying to get through it, you know?
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  Unknown: I tell you, mate. Marmite is fantastic.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: Are you into it or not? I can't Yeah. I like Marmite. Yeah. A lot of Marmite addiction.
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  Yeah. And on soldiers, they're very nice. I mean, that's what we call for those of you in The USA,
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  I'm not that way inclined.
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  Soldiers are meant slices of bread where you cut them into slight
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  thin slice thin slivers.
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  Unknown: So they call them soldiers. Always a culinary education exercise around here, isn't Do they have Marmite in America? I don't know, they might do, you know, they might not. I think you can get it in some English shops or in in the cities, think you can get Marmite. It's very expensive though. It's getting out of hand though, Eric. I mean, started off, you know, I hadn't eaten any for about a couple of years, I saw it about four weeks ago. Went, oh, I really fancy a bit of that. I used to live off it on the eighties. In the eighties, you get up late rushing down to the caf, cup of tea and Marmot and toast, please, as you're chomping, walking into work and all that. And I it was just that kind of thing. And I started off with a little bit, but now this huge lashing's kind of Oh, it's very toes left. Yeah. Is it What's the Australian equivalent? You're strong. I feel mighty, mate. I can tell you. Yes. It's very good yeast, but I can't stand the Australian equivalent. Oh, what's it called now? There's an Australian equivalent. I work with an Aussie. You're a Troy. It's really good. Bloody horrible. It's very salty.
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  Unknown: I can't think anyone someone in chat will come up with it. Vegemite,
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  I think. Is it Vegemite?
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  Unknown: Could be could be yeah. Oh, yeah. I had an a good Aussie friend. He was really into Vegemite, and we used to have big arguments about Vegemite or Marmite, but I I like them both. I thought they were both very interesting. But Vegemite was expensive because it was made by kangaroos, wasn't it? And then shipped over.
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  They hopped over.
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  Unknown: It hopped over here. Yeah. Kangaroo Poo, I think it was made up of, because that's what the jar I had tasted like kangaroo poo. Oh, that's really mate?
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  I said,
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  well, it's,
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  different.
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  Unknown: It's about the other thing to say. Yes. It is. Anyway, enough of this gay banter.
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  Yes.
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  Reluctantly,
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  I had to drag him on. I've got Charles Fernandez here. Charles, hello. Good evening, and welcome to the show.
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  Unknown: Wait. He's very quiet, isn't he? He is. He's very quiet, Charles. Have we said somebody rude to frighten you away?
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  Unknown: I don't know. Could we Oh, I think ah, cucumber sandwich might actually if we put that come on. Come on, Charles. Come on. It's a cucumber sandwich here. That might tempt him in, you know. Here we are. I was gonna really big you up, Charles, but you're not there. So we can talk we can talk about you why he can't respond. He can't he just can't respond back to us at the moment. I think he's probably just he's probably fiddling with his cables. You know what it's like, Eric, on a Thursday evening. These things sort of happen. He's he's He is here, everybody. Honestly, we've got Charles Fernandez. He is in the house,
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  but he's not saying anything at the moment. I don't know why. He's he's
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  Unknown: he's here. But Yeah. It's a very interesting name. And
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  but,
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  I mean, he's probably fiddling with his cables. You never know. Yes. It's a man's world in here.
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  I'll mute your mic.
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  Unknown: Do you want to know my I don't wanna talk about my technique. By the way, I think there was a bit of a scramble there over the first minute of the show. I just realized something. I've got a really I've got a really doohickey sort of setup at the moment. I've been having, oh, all sorts of tiresome things, they're nothing to do with this show because this show has worked perfectly
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  every time. Yeah my backside.
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  But yeah
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  I've been having lots of
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  spent three days plowing through Microsoft manuals. You won't wish that on anybody, and I still can solve Yeah. The
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  It was really, really boring. It's not really Microsoft's fault. It's actually to do with the way that laptops deal with power,
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  and they just don't they don't like it up them as it were, so they don't really deal with power very well.
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  Yeah. What else? Oh, I know what we're gonna say. Well, is is in makeup.
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  Have you heard of there's a podcast that we play sometimes on FFT radio, and I've played it for years on various things.
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  I'm not sort of an amazing fan, but it's really well screwed together, and sometimes they have little patches which are good. Chap called Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak
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  have run a podcast for years called No Agenda, and in fact, Adam Curry is known as the podfather,
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  which is a bit but this is because he basically invented podcasting,
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  which is true, Yeah. By the
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  And he champions all sorts of extremely
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  elegant solutions to things. So he also invented a thing called value for value,
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  where if people feel that they're getting value from a particular show, they just make a donation of any amount they like, and he's set up all sorts of things. He's very good, actually. Anyway, John C. Devar Devorak has been his he was a little bit older,
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  and he was his co host for many years. But I think about six months back, he had to disappear for about a month because he went in for a quadruple heart bypass.
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  Poor son. And
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  yeah, unfortunately succumbed to that I think on Monday. Not that this would mean anything to any of you if you never listened to it, but I'm just mentioning it as a piece of news.
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  Yeah. He passed away on on Monday, I think. Sorry. And I think they're live right now doing their show, so don't go off and tune into that. This is way better. No. Not really. But I think all that kind of stuff. Anyway, it's a it's a thing worth noting. Shout out to Patrick for letting me know. I went and followed that up. So I think he passed away earlier this week, and that's the kind of thing.
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  Let me just see if Charles has sent me a message on Telegram. Has he? I don't know where he is. What's going on? He said his mic is on you he's unmuted. Can you hear me now?
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  Oh, yeah. We can hear you now, Charles. Sorry
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  Unknown: about that.
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  Unknown: But we've we've
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  what we've got is is my voice coming out of your speakers speakers?
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  Yes, it is. Okay. So it's going into your mic into your mic. My apologies hang on two seconds. That's alright. It
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  does happen to the best of us.
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  Unknown: How's that? Hello?
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  Unknown: Hello? No it's still there.
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  Practice.
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  Unknown: Little boy Eko I use
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  it. Hello.
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  Hello?
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  Unknown: Hello? Yeah. It's a bit echoey echoey.
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  In fact, that's that's
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  hello? No. It's still there, Charles.
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  Unknown: Okay. Are you in a coal mine?
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  Unknown: Am indeed. Ah,
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  Unknown: that could be the reason. Hang on.
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  Right. How's that? Hello? Hello? Hello. Can you hear me? Nope. Still there. No. We're still echoing echoing. Jesus.
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  Well, I don't I think I don't I think he solved that problem problem.
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  Yeah. Because he in the bible, it's nothing about Jesus echoing
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  echoing.
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  Unknown: And that better hello hello hello no still there okay
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  Unknown: right speaker is now off so you're running on my headphones
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  Unknown: yeah good good No. It's still there. There. You've got it on a circuit. There's there's a problem somewhere somewhere. You've it looping back into your to your circuit.
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  In fact, I'm hearing myself in perfect echo echo.
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  Unknown: Okay. Hang on.
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  Unknown: That was It's like the Irishman
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  fell down fell down a mine. And
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  his mate shouted down, if you've broken anything,
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  he said, no. There's nothing down here. A break.
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  Sorry.
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  Unknown: You know what, Eric? Yeah? For a minute there, I thought there were two of you in the audience. I mean, sorry. In the studio, it was getting a bit worrying. We've we've sort of multiplied a bit here, I'm not There's three of you, I think, isn't it? Isn't it? Yeah. Let me just I'm gonna just mute Charles for a second.
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  There we go. Yes.
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  Unknown: I think he's got a a sound problem.
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  Unknown: Yeah. It's fun, isn't it? Because he's starting a live show, an FFT tomorrow.
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  Sorry, Charles.
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  So
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  it does happen. Just to let all the audience know that it happens to the best of us. It really does from time to time. Maybe a reboot or maybe
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  Unknown: hang on.
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  Unknown: So what what I'm doing Charles, just to let you know, because hopefully you can still hear us, is I've got you on mute, but I'm gonna unleash the mute button in about thirty seconds and if it's still and I'm just gonna keep doing that until it's gone really because it's,
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  it's a little bit awkward unfortunately for us to actually deal with.
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  Yeah.
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  Anyway, so there we go. What was I saying? John C. Dvorak, he's gone.
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  He's been around the Internet, I think, for an awful long time. And I just say, I was just mentioning that there was something else I was gonna mention as well, but I can't remember what it is now. Amazing. There are people that you use as being young falling off the end of the old conveyor belt now.
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  Unknown: Know? Yeah. It's
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  old, isn't it? You know? But,
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  Unknown: actually,
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  these problems, I've usually found most like with design and that,
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  the solution is embarrassingly simple.
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  And I've found that
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  almost every time, you know, you think, I'll never get over this. But it will it might be just a simple reboot might might might help. I don't know. I mean, I'm not technically like that. Yeah.
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  Unknown: Anyway, what were we doing on tonight's show? I don't know. Echoing.
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  Unknown: Because
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  Bonzo Dog Doodle band did a very nice
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  record of Little Boy Echo, didn't they?
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  Unknown: They did.
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  They did. They did. Yes. But I'll
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  Unknown: tell you something though.
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  This weather, does anybody think that I mean, I'm not complaining, I love hot weather, I like this weather.
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  Does anybody think that they're
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  doing something to the weather to make it like this so the crops will foul?
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  Unknown: I don't know. Everything feels a bit strange, isn't it? I think we've become so paranoid. We don't know when we're being overly paranoid.
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  Maybe we've become paranoid maybe I'm paranoid of being paranoid.
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  In the end, we're not really gonna find out, are we? It could be that it's just a really good that they've actually somebody said they've turned things on, and I was actually thinking, well, possibly they've turned things off.
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  You know, that kind of stuff. They might have turned things off. I'm old enough, but don't tell anybody else.
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  Unknown: I'm old enough to remember the nineteen seventy six
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  heat wave,
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  and there was tar Did you? Melting on the roads where you had roads all sort of going there's like great humps either side of the road where the tar was melting. That's how hot it was.
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  Unknown: So there we go. I think I've got a solution for Charles. Let me just mention it to him. Charles. Let
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  Yeah. Let me just because he can't hear he can hear us. Charles, if you call me on Telegram,
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  I can patch you into the show. Okay? Because
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  I have the ability to do those sorts of things. And so
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  if you because you're still
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  oh, here we go. Hang on. Here it goes.
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  Unknown: Hello. Can you hear me? Hello. Can you hear me? We can. Hang on. We can. Hang We can. We can.
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  Unknown: Okay,
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  that's not
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  working, that's even worse.
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  Okay, so
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  I don't know what's going on, but that's even worse unfortunately, so we better end that. There's nothing wrong with my telegram setup because I just tested it out. Oh, there's nothing wrong Let me have look. Blah blah blah blah blah. No. Everything's okay with that.
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  Yes.
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  So I'm pretty sure everything's okay. Let me just have a check. Sorry about this ladies and gentlemen.
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  Where are we now? Let me just do things. This is not really thing was, I spoke to him earlier. When was that yesterday? Looking into it. I mean Yeah.
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  Unknown: I what we're talking about today, because we had a long conversation,
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  does anybody in the audience
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  think that these additives they're putting in the food
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  is making
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  people strange?
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  Just just a thought. Just a thought. Because your gut is your second brain.
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  So Mhmm. Here we go. So there's a thought for this evening.
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  Are these additives
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  doing strange things to people?
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  Unknown: They could be.
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  Could be. Yes.
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  Unknown: But are you imagining managing
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  to patch him through?
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  Unknown: Obviously no he's echoing everywhere for some reason it's something at his end it's certainly the telegram thing should have worked actually
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  so I've just checked all my telegram settings and the sounds all been routed to the right place so sorry about this everybody
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  Didn't expect this. Suppose Charles is basically getting his first night jizzes out on my show. This seems a little bit rough on me. So instead of it all him having tricky things tomorrow evening, I don't know quite what's happening there, but it's
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  Unknown: Could it be that he hasn't got a sound problem, but he's stuttering? That's why we're hearing him secular times. Did that happen? Mimicking us in echo. It could be that. Yeah. It could be that. Or he's in a very secret place, which is a huge hole, which is echoing all around. It could be. So
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  there's there's another thing, you know? That's strange. He's got his headphones on. He's turned his speakers off.
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  I had this problem once,
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  and
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  I unplugged the speakers.
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  Unknown: That's my problem.
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  What's actually happening sorry to bore you all to tears about this, but what's actually happening is that it nothing to do with these speakers. It's to do with whatever the sound routing is at
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  his end because our echo is perfect,
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  which means it's on the on his audio mixer or something. So something's
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  it's looping back in. Anyway, it's all really rather too tedious for words, isn't it, at the moment? It's not a criticism, Charles. It just is a bit that's it. Anyway,
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  I came across a post the other day. We'll go back to Charles in a couple of minutes. Let's see what happens.
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  And I think we mentioned this when we're having a chat earlier today, and in fact, I I put a comment about it. I'm not gonna read all of it, but it's just something I stumbled across. I think it's from some reprobate forum, but it kinda struck a chord really. It says nothing about I don't know who the poster is because it's one of these bit anonymous. Have you ever met anonymous? He's he posts quite a bit.
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  It says nothing about the current political situation we are currently experiencing in the West will ever make sense to you unless you first understand that you live under foreign occupation
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  and are thus subject to the rules of the occupiers. I think this is reasonably true.
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  If you do not start from there, from that starting point, you will search for multiple explanations and rationalizations
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  for your society's misery and shortcomings that will ultimately lead you nowhere. Agreed. I think this is what this show is all about Eric, to be quite honest. Yeah. The thing is your enemy has has
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  no interest
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  in a so called victory over you because they've already won long ago. Now this seems really rather like a miserable thought, but if you look around you and we look at all the institutions and the operations and everything,
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  and to say that they've won outright, I don't go along with that, but they've actually they've gained such a control of all these institutions that everywhere people are moving and nudging and doing things, they're coming up short. Don't you think? I agree with you. Yes. Yes. It's it's it's like a kind of rot.
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  Unknown: It's got in everywhere.
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  You name it, it's there.
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  And
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  it really made me think,
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  I know I said this on a previous show,
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  there's a chappy on
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  YouTube,
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  does a pod. I was and he went to the funeral in Iran
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  Mhmm. Of one you know, the chap that was killed by the Americans.
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  And he said what shook him is he's walking around
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  and
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  all the stores, this you've got food all over the place. Echoing now. Better.
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  Unknown: No.
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  Unknown: We've still got the echo, Charles, unfortunately. Oh, he unmuted himself, which was saved me having to do it. Anyway, what were you saying, Eric? So what was going to say is that he said, in the West, you would say, oh, as a cap as a is not something to capitalize on. I will be able to sell my food there and here and whatever. He said,
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  you go along and you pick up the food, and you have what you want, and it's free. People have supplied it free at the goodness of their hearts.
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  Yeah. He said that says something about the people.
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  Unknown: Well, it's that thing about community spirit, isn't it? But I let me just read another couple of little bits because it's just I'm not gonna read the whole thing. It's a bit too long, but there was a bit in it that I thought was quite interesting.
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  It says,
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  they've got no interest in a victory because they've already won. Now the entirety of their actions is aimed at a single goal
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  humiliation.
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  Yeah.
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  And it says this humiliation robs you of your humanity, your will and your reason to fight on. Now it hasn't robbed me of that, I don't think it's robbed you of that, and many of the listeners here have not been robbed of it. But when we talk about huge numbers of people that we sort of see floating up and down the pavement all over the place,
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  you can see that is I think it's robbed many of them that of that.
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  And here's a really rather chilling bit. This is to do with the Ottoman Empire. Right?
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  The Ottoman practice of it's got one of those funny characters in there. It's only from that sort of alphabet, which I can't pronounce. It looks as though it's called
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  Koczek,
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  C K O C E K. So Kokek, I'm gonna call it. I probably mullered it. It says the Ottoman practice of Kokek is a prime example similar to the concept of drag kids in modern America and of well here I suppose. It says koceks were a combination of dancers, clowns, and prostitutes.
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  They were young non Muslim boys taken from their parents and trained to be willful sexual objects and entertainers entertainers for the Ottoman Turks.
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  The goal was to have the occupied people think
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  if we allow that to be done to our boys what else can they do? And the answer of course is anything and this it does rob people of that ability to
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  basically fight back and if you look at every area that we talk about this lack of traction in some I know this sounds negative but I think you need to be aware of it. It's definitely going on we're up against people that understand
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  how to subjugate people psychologically
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  and I think they've sort of picked up all sorts of evil practices and looked at history from, you know, we're not likely to think about that because we're not rightly, we're not really interested in subjugating anybody, in fact far from it, but these are the things that are coming to apply and have purchased on our lives all the time you know, so I agree with you I mean I think that know that's something better.
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  Unknown: Charles!
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  Is that better?
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  Unknown: Well it's working!
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  Unknown: What was it?
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  Unknown: Alright. It's the mixed minus.
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  Alright.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Yes. It was a mixed minus. My apologies.
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  Unknown: That's alright. So I think you've just earned a new neck. You're gonna have a new nickname now, Charles. That'd be Charles the Echo Fernandez.
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  Unknown: Well,
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  good. Wanted to hear it twice. Yeah fantastic.
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  Unknown: Anyway everybody Charles Fernandez minus the Echo welcome to the show Charles it's great to get you on. Thank you again
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  Unknown: and again.
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  Unknown: No no don't do it no that's freaky you can't do that. So
• 26:08
  you've got a new show starting on Food for Thought Radio tomorrow night at 09:00,
• 26:13
  and just to let the listeners know, we've got, Fridays have just got quite swollen really quickly. There was just this one show on there for a few weeks, which was Robin Hood and the Merry Men from seven till nine, a show that I often drop in on.
• 26:26
  But, Mel and Mick are from six till seven, then there's Robin Hood from seven till nine, and then you're running from nine to eleven tomorrow evening aren't you? I am indeed. Looking forward to it. Yeah
• 26:38
  I am too and now that you've sorted out all your echo problems it's gonna be great.
• 26:44
  This is really good. It's fantastic. That's okay because it's on your show not mine. I know well done. I would have said exactly the same thing. Touche. Yeah very good. So,
• 26:54
  what now what's the name of your you've got this interesting name Willoughby haven't you for your projects? So
• 27:01
  maybe many most people here will not be really apprised of what you do, so the floor is yours for a few minutes for you to
• 27:07
  let us know what you're up to, what kind of a reprobate you really are. That'd be good. Well, the show is called the Willoughby Surgery
• 27:15
  Unknown: and the purpose of the show is for people to come on via
• 27:21
  the zoom page that we've got already arranged for this, which is
• 27:29
  willabiesurgery.uk
• 27:31
  so people can actually come onto there anonymously.
• 27:33
  They don't have to have their cameras on. They can make up a name
• 27:37
  so they can be anonymous as you know as they want, as they wish and
• 27:42
  give us any questions that they have such as issues to do with if they've got problems with bailiffs,
• 27:47
  if they've got money problems,
• 27:49
  if they have
• 27:51
  problems dealing
• 27:52
  with legal issues.
• 27:55
  And
• 27:55
  although I'm not legally trained,
• 27:58
  I'm not giving out legal advice,
• 28:00
  but what we are doing is trying to give people real solutions.
• 28:04
  I have a
• 28:06
  Discord group which has
• 28:09
  nine
• 28:10
  thirty odd people or so on it and we started that about a year ago.
• 28:14
  What we do is we have a process called the foundation group or the foundation course that we started
• 28:22
  and it shows people how to claim their name,
• 28:25
  how to actually own their car, how to own their house,
• 28:29
  because although you may think you own a car, you don't, you're just a registered keeper.
• 28:34
  Yes. We can actually show you how you can actually own the car.
• 28:38
  So,
• 28:39
  you know, when you have an issue with,
• 28:41
  if you have an issue with debt collectors,
• 28:44
  or bailiffs coming around and they're trying to clamp your car or tow your car away,
• 28:48
  they can't do that.
• 28:50
  And we have,
• 28:51
  principles
• 28:52
  in place that, prevent them from doing that and,
• 28:56
  all these,
• 28:57
  all these tests have actually been put to test and, had flying colors while
• 29:03
  we've ushered the bailiffs off the premises.
• 29:07
  Unknown: This
• 29:08
  sounds extremely encouraging.
• 29:10
  When did you
• 29:12
  start this? I'm just gonna call it Willoughby Project because you've got several areas haven't you and websites and things all with the name Willoughby in it. When did you start all this? When did this begin? Yeah, basically we started
• 29:25
  Unknown: I was on another group just as
• 29:29
  a member of the group answering questions
• 29:33
  with
• 29:34
  Chaplain Hornsey Wood Carl who
• 29:38
  in there and someone asked a few questions and I explained to them how they can own their own car and get away with speeding tickets and parking tickets and U List charges etc
• 29:49
  where
• 29:50
  you become immune to it. What then happened is
• 29:54
  someone asked me to put my WhatsApp details in the chat page which I did and the following day I had 40 new people on my WhatsApp page
• 30:05
  it then became very
• 30:07
  confusing
• 30:08
  because people were asking me questions and by the time I was able to answer it they were sort of so far up the page I couldn't do anything with it.
• 30:16
  So we then generated a we came up with the idea of generating a
• 30:20
  Discord page because that way you can separate things and have each page for each subject.
• 30:27
  So one would be how to claim your name, another one's how to do your, trademark,
• 30:31
  how to,
• 30:33
  do your EDP,
• 30:34
  how to own your house, how to own your car, how to deal with utilities,
• 30:38
  etcetera.
• 30:39
  Unknown: What's an EDP?
• 30:41
  Unknown: Enrolled Deep Pole,
• 30:42
  which is the only lawful name Enrolled
• 30:44
  Deep Pole.
• 30:46
  Unknown: Enrolled
• 30:47
  Deep Pole? I've never heard Okay. Of that You've probably heard of a Deep Pole when you change your name. I I have yes like there was one in Monty Python where
• 30:56
  by Deedpoll
• 30:58
  Arthur Penis was changing his name to Art Penis I remember that one.
• 31:04
  So that's a good example isn't it? But yeah I've heard of a deed poll. What is so what's a deed poll? I'm gonna play really Deed poll is if you want to change your name, so you want to change your name from John Smith to Brian Smith.
• 31:16
  Unknown: Yeah. You can pop along to a lawyer, pay him a couple of grand and
• 31:20
  have your name changed so that your name is now Brian Smith as opposed to John Smith.
• 31:25
  However,
• 31:26
  it has no weight
• 31:28
  in reality at all.
• 31:31
  When you do it via the enrolled depol it means you do it through
• 31:35
  the
• 31:36
  Royal Courts of Justice in The Strand in London.
• 31:39
  Now once you've got officially done through there,
• 31:44
  it has a lot more weight, it means that after
• 31:47
  five years it's entered into the National Archives or you know you've had it done through
• 31:53
  the Royal Courts of Justice,
• 31:55
  and also means things like your house deeds.
• 32:00
  On your house deeds there is a section there which is called the proprietorship register.
• 32:04
  Now as you know
• 32:06
  your name is written everywhere in all capital letters such as your driving licence, bank accounts etc.
• 32:13
  Unknown: Yes the income tax demands everything, the council tax, the lot, everything. Okay well income
• 32:19
  Unknown: tax is voluntary anyway,
• 32:21
  but that's another When
• 32:24
  it comes to having your name done via your Enrol depot
• 32:28
  you can actually change your name and as long as there is a change you can actually specify whether it's going to be in upper and lower case.
• 32:36
  If it's in upper and lower case you are then seen in the system as
• 32:42
  an individual and not an implied company.
• 32:46
  Unknown: When you say upper and lowercase
• 32:49
  Charles does that mean like if it's Paul English it would be capital P capital E on that name the other letter?
• 32:57
  Unknown: All letters, if you look at your driving licence all your
• 33:00
  first and surname is all in uppercase,
• 33:03
  When all
• 33:06
  you have it done via the Enrol DeepPol,
• 33:09
  on your driving licence it will still be that way, but on your house deeds,
• 33:13
  because you're actually presenting them with a court document,
• 33:16
  can actually have it. So if it was Paul English,
• 33:19
  your name would be written capital P, little a, little u, little l.
• 33:23
  Unknown: Yes, that's what was suggesting, right. Okay. So that's when you've done it through the Enrol depot, right? That's correct. But you have to make a change between
• 33:31
  Unknown: the
• 33:32
  original and
• 33:34
  what your name is, you know, what you're changing it to. So originally I was Charles first name, Edward middle name, and Andy surname.
• 33:42
  But what I've done is I've actually changed it. So I no longer have a middle name, but I have a double barreled first name. So it's Charles Edward.
• 33:50
  Unknown: Should I be calling you Charles Edward then on the show? That doesn't matter.
• 33:55
  Unknown: I
• 33:56
  Unknown: like it. I I quite like I have all the double barreled name. They're quite posh, aren't they? That's good, though. But, yeah, no. That I see I see where you're coming from. Yeah. And what I've done is, the Edwards is spelt with all in lowercase and there's a hyphen between Charles and Edward.
• 34:11
  Unknown: Now what that means is
• 34:13
  the land registry has to adhere to that as do
• 34:17
  the NHSE and a few other places.
• 34:20
  But by having it that way,
• 34:23
  if a company wishes to
• 34:26
  try to engage with you, well as a rule companies can only deal with companies and individuals can only deal with individuals.
• 34:33
  So
• 34:35
  we then had a situation where we didn't pay our water bill and Anglian Water decided that they wanted to try and put a charge on our property, but because I'd actually changed the
• 34:47
  way that I've written my name on the deeds,
• 34:50
  they couldn't do that. So the land registry had to get in contact with me and ask me for my permission
• 34:57
  if I wanted to accept the charge.
• 35:00
  Unknown: Know the way To which you utterly said of course I do! It
• 35:05
  Unknown: was
• 35:06
  done in such a way like if you remember the 70s and 80s where someone like BT would call you up and they'd ask someone trying to reverse the charge would you like to accept the charge?
• 35:17
  It was a bit like that but they
• 35:20
  decided you know would you like to accept the charge? So naturally I said no.
• 35:26
  Unknown: I think that's a wise response.
• 35:28
  I quite like no in that situation.
• 35:30
  Unknown: That's good. And what it then did was it protected my home from getting a charge from Anglian water.
• 35:37
  Unknown: Excellent.
• 35:39
  Unknown: And
• 35:40
  also through other systems that we have we created
• 35:44
  new ways to
• 35:46
  protect and actually
• 35:47
  legally own your car
• 35:49
  and separate the
• 35:51
  keeper from the owner
• 35:53
  at source.
• 35:55
  So
• 35:56
  you know if you accrue parking tickets or speeding tickets or ULS charges it is in one name and not the owner,
• 36:04
  which is
• 36:06
  very beneficial because
• 36:08
  under the
• 36:09
  Taking Trial of Goods Act or basically paragraph 10 of schedule 12 of the
• 36:16
  Tribunal Courts and Enforcement Act of 2007,
• 36:19
  Unknown: they cannot I love it when people say sentences like that Charles this stuff's all in your head isn't it? A lot of this stuff. Oh yeah I've been working on this a long time.
• 36:28
  Unknown: Yeah. Unlike my sound.
• 36:31
  Unknown: No that's okay. It's sorted now once it's fixed it lasts forever unless of course you spill coffee over your mixer and then and then all hell's to pay but no don't worry it's just it comes with the territory but that's okay all right okay and then you've taken this knowledge right
• 36:46
  and you've put it into do I call it an app?
• 36:49
  Unknown: Well The way that we did this was
• 36:53
  started,
• 36:54
  we created the foundation
• 36:56
  course, so there was a series of steps and people started the top and worked their way down.
• 37:01
  And there were still people who were
• 37:04
  being visited by debt collectors and bailiffs and a few other nasty
• 37:10
  people.
• 37:11
  So
• 37:12
  I invented the, well, invented, but I mean I came together, put together a system where they could have all the paperwork together in a folder.
• 37:20
  The problem with that is if someone had a question
• 37:23
  it was a bit difficult to if the question isn't in one of the questions that you have in the folder have the answer there.
• 37:30
  It was becoming a little bit
• 37:32
  you know, a little bit worrying because it didn't know what to say.
• 37:36
  Yeah challenging to use under the heat of the moment, that kind of thing. For sure, for sure. So what I did was I created an app called Willoughby
• 37:46
  and
• 37:47
  Willoughby had 12
• 37:49
  what we called crisis prompts. So if you were stopped by the police while driving down the road, would hit
• 37:56
  on the once you pulled over and turned the car off,
• 37:59
  get your phone out and then
• 38:01
  dial in the prompt for car stopped prompt
• 38:05
  and that would come up and tell you what your rights are within a few seconds,
• 38:09
  what your rights are, what they can do, what they can't do, what you can do, what you can't do, and
• 38:14
  what things you should be asking them for.
• 38:17
  Such as
• 38:19
  the caller number,
• 38:21
  is there anything else, what
• 38:23
  was the reason why you stopped me etc.
• 38:26
  But the thing is
• 38:28
  after, sorry, after you've been
• 38:31
  through that
• 38:32
  a few times,
• 38:34
  we needed to try and make it a little bit more
• 38:38
  dynamic
• 38:39
  and
• 38:40
  it had a very good tool there, which was able to
• 38:44
  teach people how to use the system. What we originally done was we called it a three headed dog
• 38:48
  and we've got a lovely picture of
• 38:51
  a dog with something like the one in Harry Potter with, in fact the world got the idea, the heads Cerberus.
• 38:57
  Unknown: Didn't they call that dog Cerberus, think they did. Isn't that the three headed dog from Greek mythology? I know a thing or two about that. I think it is. Yeah. Anyway, okay. Basically two of the heads were Rottweilers and the third head was
• 39:09
  Unknown: a Labrador.
• 39:11
  So the
• 39:12
  three heads, well the first one was the Rottweiler
• 39:16
  was the crisis prompt so it would basically fire back and be quite aggressive because it's on your side.
• 39:23
  The other thing is
• 39:26
  they're looking to,
• 39:27
  know, collectors and the police, they're looking to engage with you in business
• 39:31
  Unknown: because they're looking to Would try and
• 39:33
  Unknown: that be say they're looking to engage with you in commerce? Is that a way of expressing it? Right. Okay. So
• 39:40
  Unknown: we then said okay well if you want to engage with us in
• 39:44
  commerce it's not a problem,
• 39:46
  except you know we're not free so if you want to stand and talk to me that's not a problem here's my hourly rate. So we also produced an invoice sheet that you can invoice on the spot.
• 39:58
  Unknown: That's a bit like getting your arm back on the parking ticket guys, so you're basically issuing them with a ticket in the form of an invoice for your time yeah? Right? Completely. Great. Well it's not only that because we've actually
• 40:10
  Unknown: trademarked our names in both the written and spoken form. If a policeman wants to
• 40:17
  write my name down that's going to cost him £500 every time, if he wants to speak my name it's going to cost him a £100 every time. We inform them this in the early times as soon as we stop and say we're quite happy to give you any details you like but please be aware that my name is a registered trademark
• 40:34
  and there is a fee should you decide to use it. I think give them fifteen minutes what we call browsing time. I
• 40:41
  Unknown: mean
• 40:42
  registering
• 40:43
  your name as a trademark, is this
• 40:46
  Unknown: this a common has this been a tactic used by people before? Yes. Has been. Or an approach? It has been normally hushed up. But the reason why we do it, it's not only because of that,
• 40:55
  the real benefit comes to
• 40:58
  when you go into,
• 40:59
  if you're into a situation with like a court,
• 41:02
  because
• 41:04
  the judge is not trying to prosecute you the person,
• 41:08
  he's trying to prosecute you the name.
• 41:12
  Right. And because
• 41:13
  the name is the implied name.
• 41:16
  So if you've actually trademarked
• 41:20
  the name
• 41:21
  on class 35 provisions of an omni director, it's preventing the judge from assuming himself as a director of your implied company.
• 41:29
  And of course, if you've made your company,
• 41:31
  which is your name into
• 41:34
  a registered
• 41:35
  company, so it's on Companies House,
• 41:38
  the implied company
• 41:40
  is
• 41:41
  pushed to one side and the express company, because it's got the certificate takes control.
• 41:47
  So they are unable to take control of you in court, which is the reason why we've done that.
• 41:51
  But getting back to the
• 41:54
  three headed dog, so we've the invoice, we've the crisis prompts and the two rottweilers and the third one is the Labrador
• 42:00
  which has got a much better
• 42:02
  and calmer way of explaining things and
• 42:05
  better as an educational tool than
• 42:08
  a Rottweiler that wants to snap at you.
• 42:11
  Unknown: So you employ the Rottweiler when you're
• 42:14
  situation where you've been confronted or approached by a situation,
• 42:19
  but is the Labrador then your personal tutor or is that a way for you to speak in a more kindly manner to the individual who's seeking to Always talk to
• 42:28
  Unknown: from when you're sitting at home and you just want to do some research,
• 42:32
  so you want to find out what the age of
• 42:36
  buying alcohol is in
• 42:39
  England or the age of driving,
• 42:41
  know to get driving licence etc, how old do you have to be for this or whatever. Anything that you want, find out legally.
• 42:47
  So when I built Willoughby that was the first one, only had restrictive
• 42:52
  bits of information in there but it was good enough for what it was doing but it didn't have any, it wasn't really
• 42:59
  I would say it wasn't good
• 43:01
  enough that I wanted it where I wanted it to be. So I created the sort of Mark two version which was
• 43:07
  Willoughby Genius.
• 43:09
  Now the difference between this is it had 700,
• 43:12
  well it has 750,000
• 43:14
  legal entries
• 43:16
  are programmed So into it became the largest
• 43:19
  consumer
• 43:20
  based
• 43:22
  database
• 43:23
  in the world,
• 43:25
  the legal issues.
• 43:26
  Unknown: So nothing like this has really, nothing like this has existed before for the layman?
• 43:31
  Unknown: Oh no, no nothing like that. Hence the reason why it was so difficult to build because there's nothing to copy.
• 43:38
  And the reason why
• 43:39
  was
• 43:42
  the reason why it's been such a pain to get the thing off the ground in the first place is because every
• 43:48
  time I
• 43:50
  had issues
• 43:52
  I was met with a brick wall each time. So when we eventually finished it,
• 43:57
  because this is me building on my own, wasn't an app builder.
• 44:01
  That was the first app I ever built.
• 44:03
  Unknown: So
• 44:05
  Unknown: I built that. That was fun. It was and
• 44:09
  lots of night nights and got working all the way through the night. But once I've got it done and we decided to launch it,
• 44:15
  we launched it at 9AM
• 44:17
  on one particular day.
• 44:19
  By 1PM
• 44:21
  Stripe, the payment processors, know Stripe and PayPal,
• 44:25
  well Stripe decided to investigate the type of app and when they realized that the app
• 44:31
  is
• 44:32
  designed to be on the user's side and not give middle of the road answers like you'll get from ChatGBT or Claude,
• 44:39
  it's always on your side, by 01:00 we were banned from Stripe and PayPal
• 44:44
  and by close of play on that same day we were thrown off the App Store and Google Play.
• 44:52
  That's when we knew we had something which was dangerous for them.
• 44:55
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Well, there's a phrase that we throw around round here, which you've probably heard as well, that you only get flak when you're over the target. So you must you're right. I mean, four hours? Yeah. There
• 45:07
  must have been some big red buzzer go off in Stripes office Yeah or
• 45:13
  Unknown: when you launched the app because it was something that
• 45:16
  had many false starts.
• 45:18
  There
• 45:19
  was many people who wanted to you know get it as soon as it came along because they
• 45:25
  have had lots of questions they want to ask it. So
• 45:28
  we launched it and we told everyone on
• 45:31
  Whatsapp, not Whatsapp, Discord
• 45:33
  that we'd launched it and you know we had like 30 or 50 people within like the first hour and that's what triggered the
• 45:41
  know the excitement with Stripe.
• 45:44
  Right. And yeah that's what caused that. So we then And when was this? Was this earlier this year then? No this was last year,
• 45:53
  around about this time
• 45:55
  last year actually.
• 45:56
  So
• 45:58
  we kept that going and
• 46:00
  we did a few tweaks to it
• 46:02
  and we made it stronger and stronger
• 46:05
  and
• 46:06
  we then had
• 46:08
  people from
• 46:10
  you know different areas with different laws that wanted to
• 46:15
  come on board. So you know, first of all, was just legislation,
• 46:19
  then it was a case of people wanting to know things about immigration,
• 46:22
  then other people wanted to know about housing laws and, know, we just grew it and grew it and grew it. And then we, you know, we pretty much stopped at 750,000.
• 46:33
  Unknown: Are there a few more to go? How many more are there to go? No, no, that's
• 46:38
  Unknown: enough pretty much as it is because
• 46:41
  what it does is,
• 46:42
  it's more than that now because
• 46:44
  every week it goes onto the legislation sites and pulls down any new laws and adds it to it.
• 46:52
  It's permanently updating.
• 46:54
  But what then happened is
• 46:56
  we have
• 46:57
  our little group of
• 47:00
  truthers on the Discord.
• 47:03
  We're just in
• 47:04
  England really, and then we ended up with people from Scotland and Wales and Ireland,
• 47:10
  then we ended up with a few people from New Zealand, Canada, Australia,
• 47:15
  America,
• 47:15
  so we then launched it so that you could then tell it which country you were in and it will then give you the appropriate laws for that country.
• 47:27
  So like for argument's sake if you set it to England and
• 47:32
  a policeman stops you in the street and you say, he says it you know, what's your name? And you ask Willoughby do I have to say what my name is? Willoughby will say no you don't. But if you're in Scotland and you've said it for Scotland it'll say that you do because obviously in Scotland
• 47:47
  the law is that you do have to give your name. If you're in America then it's a different thing altogether you've got the fourth amendment
• 47:55
  which protects your rights that way. Right.
• 47:58
  Unknown: The
• 47:59
  Scots are a bit wide open are they at the moment in relation to England and America? No it's slightly different because
• 48:05
  Unknown: they've got a few just a few
• 48:07
  a few laws which are different
• 48:10
  from us to them and similar with
• 48:12
  regards to
• 48:15
  the land registry
• 48:17
  and you know, depol is slightly different
• 48:20
  over there as well in Scotland because we can't do this, you can't do some of the things that we do on the foundation course
• 48:28
  in England the same way as you can in, or you can't do that in Scotland,
• 48:32
  but obviously in Ireland
• 48:34
  and
• 48:35
  Wales you can.
• 48:37
  Unknown: So I mean, so did you I mean to get all of that information for these different
• 48:43
  geographies,
• 48:44
  these different countries,
• 48:46
  was that something that your app building process included? Was that sort of AI on steroids running around gathering all this stuff up for you? Something like that? Yeah, mean the biggest problem was trying to find out where
• 48:59
  Unknown: legislation's kept and then where case law is kept as well, because I didn't just want to
• 49:06
  produce
• 49:07
  information
• 49:09
  where you'd be saying that this is the situation
• 49:13
  and this is the legislation,
• 49:15
  I wanted to prove it with case law as well. So wherever possible you've got case law backing it up
• 49:21
  Because,
• 49:22
  when you use AI,
• 49:24
  if you use something like ChatGPT or Grok or Claude,
• 49:29
  as you're just asking it a simple question,
• 49:32
  it can do something called hallucination
• 49:34
  or they can do something which is called drift which is basically
• 49:38
  it skews the answers or it just makes it up in you know
• 49:42
  something crazy, you just make up any sort of nonsense.
• 49:46
  Whereas what we've done is I didn't want it to do that, So what I wanted to do was
• 49:52
  have all the
• 49:53
  information
• 49:54
  in our own database
• 49:56
  and then just use AI to help you find it.
• 50:00
  So it's not going out and looking for it on the
• 50:04
  know, the web in general, it's going into our database and finding it that way.
• 50:09
  That's not really the same sort of AI.
• 50:13
  Unknown: I mean, wow.
• 50:15
  So is this an app that you install on your phone or on your desktop or both? It is what is known as a PWA app, which is a progressive web app, which means
• 50:25
  Unknown: you can use it on your phone if you are
• 50:29
  Linux,
• 50:31
  whether you, you know, you look at your system is a Linux system, Apple or windows, anything you like. And also it works on all platforms. So whether it be a phone, a tablet,
• 50:43
  Mac, whatever, it works in all of everything.
• 50:47
  Unknown: Stunning.
• 50:48
  That was the Seriously I mean I didn't realize the whole breadth of the whole thing I know we don't know that was just the start.
• 50:53
  Oh right sorry.
• 50:55
  Unknown: Okay. That was that was the start of Willoughby as Willoughby Genius. Then
• 51:02
  there's a group called Mycelium
• 51:04
  Unknown: that Yes in fact I spoke to someone the other day from there, Maria I think it was. Maria and Gary are the ones I don't know I've mentioned to you I mean I'm sort of because courtesy of Mark I'm bumping into loads of people such as yourself and others that I would probably never have met simply because he's been gadding about all over the place and he he sort of enmeshed in the space in a way that I've not been. I've just been sat in my shed for years reading books and stuff like that, but yeah, so you bump into mycelium network, right? Yeah and
• 51:31
  Unknown: Maria,
• 51:33
  lovely lady, she has a way of twisting me around her finger and I end up doing whatever she asked me to do.
• 51:40
  But
• 51:41
  know but the reason being I've got a lot of respect for both her and Gary and
• 51:46
  Ria asked me about facial recognition
• 51:50
  with supermarkets.
• 51:53
  Right. That's I don't know if you're aware, but in 2024
• 51:57
  the government gave £53,000,000
• 52:00
  to Tesco's and Sainsbury's to put together the facial recognition for their supermarkets.
• 52:07
  Unknown: They just gave them that did they? Yep. That's nice.
• 52:10
  Unknown: Now the thing is when you look at facial recognition,
• 52:13
  the
• 52:14
  number one reason why
• 52:17
  shops turn around and say that they need it was because
• 52:21
  of security you know they don't want people stealing their products.
• 52:25
  Unknown: Yes that's what they say anyway it's always about protection isn't it? Then I have a question for you Paul when was the last time you saw someone
• 52:33
  Unknown: running out of a dreams bed shop with a four foot six mattress under their arm?
• 52:39
  Unknown: Well it's funny you should mention that John.
• 52:43
  But yet for all that. Yeah no absolutely not. I haven't seen that. I mean I wouldn't mind seeing that. That sounds like quite an event actually. That would be quite good. And you know when you go to places like Costa Coffee
• 52:55
  Unknown: I mean seriously what are you going to do? Steal you know 50 stirrers and you know 14
• 53:00
  Unknown: packets of sugar? Stop it you're putting ideas into all the listeners head. We'll get all these reports back next week. No no you wouldn't be you wouldn't be doing anything quite so naughty as that. So what we decided to do was
• 53:12
  Unknown: after being asked by Maria to
• 53:14
  create,
• 53:15
  I can't remember if was Maria or Gary, but what both of them anyway, asked me to try and put something together to help sort out the
• 53:23
  facial recognition,
• 53:24
  try and slow the companies down
• 53:27
  from doing this and try and make companies
• 53:31
  be
• 53:32
  a bit more aware that we're now watching them with regards to what they're doing with our data.
• 53:38
  Now when that happened
• 53:41
  we then started looking at
• 53:44
  trying to put together
• 53:45
  a DSAR situation which is
• 53:49
  basically a data subject access request.
• 53:51
  Unknown: Data subject access
• 53:53
  request.
• 53:54
  Unknown: Yeah. Which means that we're then sending them an official letter saying, we want to know what you're doing with our data
• 54:00
  and our images.
• 54:02
  And they then have to reply back to you within thirty days.
• 54:06
  And the problem is when you're doing this, there is a lot of situations where people seem to forget about this and they need to be able to manage it. So what I did was I built something called Pixbusters,
• 54:17
  which was the second app,
• 54:19
  which is
• 54:20
  an automated
• 54:21
  DSAR
• 54:22
  engine. So all you do is you select the companies from the list,
• 54:27
  so Tesco, Sainsbury's or whoever,
• 54:29
  and just add them, click on them and it'll generate a DSAR because it already knows what your name is etc and it'll send them a DSAR
• 54:38
  and they've then got to come back to you within thirty days. And what we have noticed now is Morrisons are now
• 54:45
  suffering and they are
• 54:48
  looking at reviewing
• 54:49
  how they're doing things because they're now having to use outside
• 54:53
  companies to deal with the DSARs
• 54:57
  because they
• 54:58
  the
• 54:59
  dates the data access requests
• 55:02
  are piling up on them.
• 55:05
  Unknown: I see. And is there is there a is there a mood, Charles, that
• 55:09
  that they may have been playing slightly fast and loose with your data? There they have. An
• 55:15
  what
• 55:16
  Unknown: found
• 55:17
  out is when we were looking at this is how bad
• 55:21
  the data situation is. So we then decided to build another app which is called Data Busters.
• 55:28
  Will it be Data Busters? Which basically targets,
• 55:32
  uses the same technology with regards to creating the DSARs,
• 55:36
  but if you've ever sent a DSAR off to say I don't know Equifax or Experian or any other credit
• 55:43
  reference agencies
• 55:44
  you normally get a ream of paper
• 55:47
  back and you really don't know what you're doing with it because it's all confusing.
• 55:51
  So what I did was I got Willoughby to
• 55:53
  read through all the paperwork. So we asked for it back in a computer form so Willoughby can then analyse the responses
• 56:00
  and look and hunt for
• 56:02
  the
• 56:04
  breaches in data,
• 56:06
  data breaches that they've done, and then
• 56:09
  we then measure them against three metrics which is identify,
• 56:14
  qualify and then quantify.
• 56:16
  Now we've got over 5,000
• 56:19
  credit sorry,
• 56:21
  case laws about data breaches which we've got from the ICO and Bailey,
• 56:27
  which is where we keep all the
• 56:29
  case laws in UK,
• 56:31
  And once
• 56:33
  we've got the responses back from the companies,
• 56:36
  we, the database will actually look at it and see whether or not there are anything there, looks like a data breach. It will then compare it to other data breaches which are known that have been through the courts and when they say that this is an orange and this is an orange, therefore it must be an orange, know, we know that that's being qualified.
• 56:56
  Then we look at the quantify
• 56:58
  and which is the third stage, is
• 57:02
  when that's been prosecuted,
• 57:04
  what were the amounts awarded? So the minimum amount was say £50, the maximum amount was a £100, so we set,
• 57:11
  the price at 75 down the middle. So we not only do we find the
• 57:17
  data breaches and identify them and qualify them, but we then quantify them so that we can then prosecute the companies financially
• 57:26
  for
• 57:28
  their data breaches.
• 57:30
  Unknown: This is really rather marvellous isn't it? Isn't this marvellous? This is absolutely marvellous.
• 57:36
  Unknown: And so far, I mean we've then started having further pushbacks.
• 57:41
  We've then discovered that
• 57:43
  the
• 57:45
  solicitors are now pushing back because they don't want to do our verification because we have to prove that we are who we say we are when we're sending out the DSAR so it made more sense to rather than just trying to send your driving licence off every time you do a DSAR you go to a solicitor's get a form filled in which says that you are who you say you are and therefore you can attach that. But the solicitors were then
• 58:05
  pushing back and saying they don't want to do it anymore
• 58:08
  So what we decided to do was Why? Why were they not were they getting paid for doing that? They were doing it, they were getting paid but they were only getting like £20 for doing it.
• 58:17
  Whereas they must rather try and find a way of charging hundreds of pounds to do it. Really? I'm surprised solicitors
• 58:23
  Unknown: bearing like that what a shock.
• 58:25
  Yeah okay.
• 58:26
  Unknown: So what we then decided to do was build something
• 58:29
  called the IDV which was identification verification.
• 58:33
  Now all of these we built courses behind this as well so that people actually get qualified to do this.
• 58:39
  So the IDV course
• 58:41
  gives you another diploma,
• 58:43
  as you've got a diploma for the data bus as well, so that you actually know everything about
• 58:49
  GDPR law and everything about
• 58:52
  how to get verified.
• 58:55
  Normally solicitor would just you know sign a bit of paper which is you have to photograph your photocopy
• 59:03
  rather of your driving licence, they'll then stamp it and sign it. Now you think that they're actually verifying your ID but they're not, all they're doing is they're verifying that this is a photocopy
• 59:13
  of
• 59:14
  your
• 59:15
  driving licence.
• 59:17
  Now that's not really verifying your ID,
• 59:21
  whereas what we're doing is we've actually verified it so we've got a unique code which is
• 59:27
  created
• 59:28
  per DSAR
• 59:29
  with
• 59:30
  QR code as well so it's a lot more secure.
• 59:34
  And that way
• 59:36
  we're using it in line with the GPG 45 which is a good practice guide, which is a government document,
• 59:43
  and also the ICO
• 59:45
  so that everything is both legally and above board. And it's also
• 59:51
  a way of taking money out of the solicitor's pockets.
• 59:56
  Unknown: You're a very naughty man, Charles.
• 1:00:00
  I mean, going through all these little stages, it's as if they've provided you with the framework for the next stage of the evolution of the service. Let's call it that.
• 1:00:08
  You you've sort of bumped into things, and everything that they've done has basically, oh, there's a, there's a, an actual need here to be fulfilled and you've gone ahead and fulfilled it. Well, mean, our
• 1:00:19
  Unknown: process
• 1:00:20
  is
• 1:00:21
  all about trying to use
• 1:00:23
  the,
• 1:00:24
  their
• 1:00:25
  well not their service, their system against themselves.
• 1:00:29
  And what we're trying to do now is
• 1:00:32
  try and reach out to more people and help them because everyone out there, certainly there's a lot of people out there that are suffering and need help and
• 1:00:39
  hence the reason why we put together the Willoughby surgery so people can come on and they can discuss, know, I'm in trouble, I'm behind with my credit cards,
• 1:00:50
  I've got bailiffs
• 1:00:51
  ringing me on the door, I've got bailiffs sending letters to me and I'm in all sorts of trouble and they're worried.
• 1:00:58
  And when you actually understand how the system works,
• 1:01:02
  you can find out that it's not that difficult
• 1:01:05
  to work a way out and certainly
• 1:01:08
  some of the debts that you may have can actually be written off immediately
• 1:01:12
  without doing anything.
• 1:01:14
  And that's why we've pulled together the surgery so that people can come on and we can try and give them some sort of help and point them in the right direction. And of course,
• 1:01:24
  as we're
• 1:01:26
  doing this online,
• 1:01:27
  if there is a question that I don't know the answer to, I'll have Willoughby already set up here and Willoughby can give us the answers.
• 1:01:35
  Unknown: So
• 1:01:38
  you know how they have agony ants in newspapers or used to have? You're basically a lawful agony uncle, aren't you?
• 1:01:45
  Like that, that's what the surgery is. Hello, doctor Fernandez I've got a problem here with my mortgage or this that and the other oh no it's just sit down there as we get this all sorted I mean I think it's wonderful don't me call me mystic meg just call me septic peg I
• 1:02:01
  would never call you that.
• 1:02:03
  That's
• 1:02:04
  but that's fine. So
• 1:02:06
  when your show starts tomorrow night, the first one, the Willoughby surgery
• 1:02:10
  Mhmm. Anyone can basically call in or connect up with you. And if they've got some issue going on, and they won't be the only person that's got it, you can basically it's like, you know, we've got sons, we've got Andrew from Bolton or whatever and blah blah blah. This thing is just I mean, because there are huge numbers of people in,
• 1:02:26
  what's the English phrase? A pickle. They're in quite a pickle with all sorts of things, you know, mortgages, bailiffs, all this kind of garbage that the state Yeah. Or
• 1:02:34
  Unknown: Completely.
• 1:02:35
  And not only that, we help them and we have the Discord group, which anyone is free to join.
• 1:02:43
  Just go to Willoughby, that's willoughbydot,
• 1:02:48
  sorry willoughbydiscord
• 1:02:50
  discord.uk
• 1:02:53
  and they can join our Discord group. If they want to come on to the show,
• 1:02:57
  that is willoughbysurgeryuk
• 1:03:01
  and that will send them straight to the
• 1:03:04
  zoom page. They can come on there and we'll be able to link them up tomorrow.
• 1:03:10
  Unknown: Fantastic.
• 1:03:11
  That's, I mean, that's brilliant. Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  It says, Alice Alice in chat. I can't keep up. The chats are blizzard here in both we've got three chats running at the same time here. So we've got FFT chat. We've got YouTube chat and Rumble chat.
• 1:03:25
  Alice says, what time is he on, Paul? It's is it FFT? Yeah. He's on FFT tomorrow night at 9PM,
• 1:03:32
  nine to eleven.
• 1:03:34
  So when you're having your cocoa and getting ready for bed and your brain's all sharp and all that kind of stuff, you can tune in and listen to Charles.
• 1:03:41
  And, you know, you might be a patient in the Willoughby surgery because you might have an ailment in this sphere,
• 1:03:47
  and many of us do, I suppose. I mean, I'm hard pressed to think of I might have one, possibly. I'm sure I can dig a few out somewhere along the line, but it's
• 1:03:56
  such a refreshing sort of approach Charles. I mean, really is tremendously
• 1:03:59
  sort of, it's quite exciting. Actually, I've got to say, I think it's brilliant. Well, as I we started our Discord group last March,
• 1:04:08
  Unknown: and I believe we're now about nine thirty odd
• 1:04:12
  members.
• 1:04:14
  Unknown: Fantastic. Well, I'll probably join up tomorrow or something and get involved on that and keep my eye on it. Cause yeah.
• 1:04:21
  I mean that is really is tremendous. I didn't realize the whole scale of it. I know you've mentioned a few things now sort of pre show
• 1:04:27
  calls over the past couple of weeks or whatever, to get the picture out are more apps
• 1:04:32
  course are more apps.
• 1:04:34
  There are.
• 1:04:36
  That's wonderful. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. I've tried to try and obviously because we lost a lot of time earlier because of No. No. We can we can run on for a few minutes because Alexander who's coming on is on for the remainder of the show. So it's fine. We'll we'll overrun by about we'll play a song in another five minutes if you've anything more things you wanted to say. What
• 1:04:54
  Unknown: we've also got is another one which I'm in the process of rebuilding at the moment
• 1:04:59
  so that we can accommodate the new IDV
• 1:05:02
  situation and that's basically Willoughby Challenger,
• 1:05:06
  which basically challenges debts for people.
• 1:05:09
  And
• 1:05:11
  I've discovered a new system where we can actually
• 1:05:15
  set a trap for
• 1:05:17
  debt collectors
• 1:05:18
  because many of the debt collectors don't actually have the authority
• 1:05:22
  legally
• 1:05:23
  to try and and collect the
• 1:05:25
  what we do is we set them a trap which is
• 1:05:28
  under the, it's called the S78
• 1:05:31
  form,
• 1:05:32
  which is basically asking them to prove the ownership of the debt and basically come forward. And what we do is we start off with, we've been, you know, you've got a situation where debt collectors got in contact with you, we first of all hit them with a DSAR.
• 1:05:47
  So they have got thirty days and they think the pressure's off, then we hit them with the S78 letter which gives them twelve days
• 1:05:54
  to respond
• 1:05:56
  and we're basically saying to them please give us your bank details so we can pay you the £1 statutory fee which is the legal requirement
• 1:06:04
  for the S78 letter.
• 1:06:06
  Now what normally happens there is
• 1:06:10
  you will not hear from them again because they don't have the legal rights to
• 1:06:15
  pursue the debt and if they do give you the details
• 1:06:19
  you pay the pound quickly because now you've got them on fraud.
• 1:06:22
  And
• 1:06:24
  if they don't answer within twelve days
• 1:06:27
  they can no longer legally pursue that debt.
• 1:06:30
  Unknown: So really, really Charles come the restoration of the nation, you need to be in charge of bureaucracy don't you? No,
• 1:06:38
  Unknown: there's far more interesting people
• 1:06:40
  than myself that can take care Well,
• 1:06:44
  Unknown: mean, I'm just sort of, the the it's the it's the attitude of the whole thing and of you. I just think it's absolutely fantastic. It's it's brilliant. Why the name Willoughby?
• 1:06:53
  Where did that spring from? Because Willoughby sounds like a character that would have gone over to Eric's Fockham Hall. He probably went around for tea, didn't he, Eric? Yes, right. Mister Willoughby. Mister Willoughby's here Lord Fockham. Oh, him again, the clever dick. Lord group. Every Wednesday we have a Zoom meeting
• 1:07:08
  Unknown: and
• 1:07:09
  they've all been used to saying Willoughby etcetera about this and Willoughby did that etc.
• 1:07:15
  And one of the ladies there
• 1:07:17
  asked me,
• 1:07:20
  she decided to do the
• 1:07:22
  look up the etymology of the the name Willoughby
• 1:07:25
  and first of all she found it was quite negative and then about a year later when she did it recently she found it quite positive.
• 1:07:33
  But
• 1:07:34
  she was telling me about how she looked it up and she was finding this and she was finding that about it, in actual fact it came from a very ridiculous point.
• 1:07:44
  There is a
• 1:07:45
  comedian called James Acaster
• 1:07:48
  from Northampton
• 1:07:50
  and
• 1:07:50
  James Acaster was on eight out of 10 cats
• 1:07:54
  does countdown and
• 1:07:56
  he brought along
• 1:07:58
  they had these mascots when they played in the game and when he was asked what his mascot is he said oh I brought my teddy bear on which was Willoughby and he started slaying it and he says he hates that bear because when he moved out of his parents house they got the bear and they started dressing him up in clothes and the mother started knitting him new jumpers and stuff like that and
• 1:08:20
  Unknown: this guy had such animosity about this bear I thought it was funny so I just thought the name just kind of stuck. Well, it's quite a nice name. It's sort of, I it's kind of reassuring and warm and and it is a kind of cuddly name, isn't it? It's pretty good. All that kind of stuff. That's great.
• 1:08:35
  Charles, it's just, little technical hitches at the start. It's been absolutely fascinating. And
• 1:08:42
  I'm just really looking forward to your show getting started tomorrow. I think it's gonna be brilliant. I mean, it's obvious I mean, a couple of people have written saying I don't have any problems like that. And at the moment, I don't think I do,
• 1:08:53
  but you never can tell in this world because they seem to be creating sort of new little themselves all the time that you're going to be in breach of. And then that gives them some leverage over causing you more energy drain, which is generally what this is all about to some degree, isn't it? And I think,
• 1:09:07
  Unknown: one of the things that people
• 1:09:09
  should be aware of is that I can put if you own a property,
• 1:09:14
  I can put a charge on your property and you won't even know about it
• 1:09:19
  because
• 1:09:20
  it's done via something called a unilateral agreement which means only one person needs to sign it, you don't need to sign it and then that
• 1:09:27
  can stay on your property
• 1:09:30
  until you just obviously discover that your credit has gone downhill.
• 1:09:34
  That's one of the things but what I would also like to say if I don't mind quickly is
• 1:09:39
  next Tuesday we're also doing the
• 1:09:41
  Tuesday evening we're doing the
• 1:09:45
  Willoughby
• 1:09:46
  stands with the common man.
• 1:09:49
  Unknown: That's right what time is that again because we only talked about it the other day that's 06:00
• 1:09:53
  or 05:00? Five till six on Tuesday. Yeah. So another additional show. So you're going absolutely yeah. Gangbusters is brilliant. So 05:00 till 06:00 on Tuesday.
• 1:10:03
  Eric will give you a shout out possibly on his show on fucking hall on Monday night.
• 1:10:08
  So, yeah, Tuesday's looking so that's, yeah, that's about an hour. Yeah. You're on, then Althea Finch is on, then Mark's on,
• 1:10:15
  and then Miles Johnson's on. That's see? It's all getting filled up. It's it's gonna be nudging. Brilliant. Mean, it's gonna be really tremendous. Show Six show program. Six show run.
• 1:10:25
  Unknown: Fantastic. Suk,
• 1:10:27
  Unknown: Suk scene. Okay. Okay.
• 1:10:29
  Cool.
• 1:10:31
  Excellent.
• 1:10:32
  Charles, it's been fantastic having you. We're
• 1:10:35
  happy to overrun by ten minutes on this slot. It's not that I'm not that of tight one about it anyway. And at least you got all your technicals sorted. So now you know some of the ordeals that I've experienced.
• 1:10:45
  It's fun when it goes on, is it? Where the bloody hell is that coming from? Yeah. It's great. Oh, yeah. We love all that kind of stuff. It just comes with the territory,
• 1:10:53
  and it nearly amused the audience, but possibly not. I don't know. Anyway, look, Charles, fantastic.
• 1:10:59
  I'm gonna be tuning in, and I'm probably gonna pester you in a couple of months time to get you back on for another hour or something to give us an update about how everything's going because that
• 1:11:08
  was some debriefing on the whole thing. That's I mean, I've take I've got it in general terms, but looking at all the detail that goes beyond at 750,000
• 1:11:15
  laws or whatever entries on that on that tool, it's quite a thing. It's quite a thing. It's
• 1:11:21
  it's very encouraging.
• 1:11:23
  Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Unknown: Very encouraging. You'll have to get Lord Willoughby to come around to Fuckham Hall, Eric. You'll have to. You will. Oh, we'll have to. After I've I've Lord Willoughby here. And also, one thing I wanna ask you is getting onto the app. I mean, have you got a link in that or
• 1:11:38
  Unknown: even the cost? Yeah the easiest way to get on to all the apps is just to go to we are actually in the process of building
• 1:11:45
  the Willoughby app which is going to be one entry to be able to get into everything But at the moment, we are using,
• 1:11:51
  willoughbytrinity.com,
• 1:11:54
  which takes you on to all the other sort of softwares at the moment. Mhmm. But the idea is that we're trying to get it to
• 1:12:02
  all through only one gateway so that once you've got onto the app you can then move from app to app and escalate things from say challenger into will it be genius or if you want to go from challenger to data busters
• 1:12:15
  you just push a button or take the whole file into the new app.
• 1:12:20
  Unknown: Brilliant. Charles, absolutely brilliant. I'm sure there's loads more details to come as well. The way that your mind works and the way that you're getting these things done is extremely encouraging. What a great way to approach
• 1:12:30
  a key part of our situation. Wonderful. So
• 1:12:33
  I will bid you farewell for now.
• 1:12:36
  Good luck with the show tomorrow evening. I'm sure it'll go great.
• 1:12:40
  We'll have you back here maybe in a couple of months if you're on for it. That would be wonderful and
• 1:12:45
  great. So, yeah, Charles
• 1:12:47
  Lowercase.
• 1:12:48
  Hyphen Edward Fernandez.
• 1:12:50
  So that's fantastic. I don't get charged for saying your name, do I? Do I have to ask your permission if I say it? Oh, that's nice. Brilliant.
• 1:12:57
  Okay. We're gonna go to a song now, everyone. We got a quick song, and then afterwards, got Alexander Poll coming on, and we're gonna be talking about, well,
• 1:13:06
  wind. We're gonna be talking a bit about
• 1:13:09
  wind to start off with. I'm not I'm trying to give Eric a cue there. Not that type of wind, although you never can tell, can you, when we actually move around to these sorts of things.
• 1:13:19
  What do I have? Oh, here's a couple of things. Anyway, we're gonna go to a quick sort of, song break. This runs for about four minutes or so. So if you need to go make a cup of tea, you can, and we'll be back on the other side of this with our next guest.
• 1:13:32
  If I take the mute button off, you see.
• 1:13:59
  Unknown: In my eyes,
• 1:14:02
  indisposed,
• 1:14:06
  in disguise
• 1:14:08
  no one knows.
• 1:14:11
  Hides the face
• 1:14:15
  lies the snake
• 1:14:18
  in the sun
• 1:14:19
  in my
• 1:14:21
  disgrace,
• 1:14:24
  boiling
• 1:14:25
  heat,
• 1:14:28
  summer stench.
• 1:14:32
  'Neath the black, the skies look dead.
• 1:14:37
  Call my name
• 1:14:41
  through the dream,
• 1:14:44
  and I'll hear you scream
• 1:14:47
  again.
• 1:14:51
  Unknown: Black hole sun,
• 1:14:54
  Unknown: won't you come?
• 1:14:58
  Won't you
• 1:15:00
  come?
• 1:15:42
  And my youth,
• 1:15:44
  I pray to keep
• 1:15:46
  heaven sent
• 1:15:48
  hell away.
• 1:15:50
  No one sings like you anymore.
• 1:15:56
  Black cold sun,
• 1:15:59
  won't you come
• 1:16:01
  and wash away the rain.
• 1:16:04
  Black cold sun.
• 1:16:07
  Won't you come?
• 1:16:09
  Won't you come?
• 1:16:13
  Black hole sun,
• 1:16:15
  won't you come?
• 1:16:18
  Wash
• 1:16:19
  away the rain,
• 1:16:21
  black walled sun.
• 1:16:23
  Won't you come?
• 1:16:25
  Won't you come?
• 1:17:05
  Hang my head,
• 1:17:07
  drown my fear
• 1:17:09
  till you all just disappear.
• 1:17:15
  Black hole sun,
• 1:17:17
  won't you come?
• 1:17:20
  Wash away
• 1:17:21
  the rain.
• 1:17:23
  Black hole sun,
• 1:17:25
  won't you come?
• 1:17:53
  Unknown: Well, there we go. A bit of a jazzy type thing. That was Paul Anker doing a a refit of Black Hole Sun. I can't remember the name of the band, actually.
• 1:18:03
  Your kind of thing, Eric, or not?
• 1:18:05
  Not quite. No. I'm not I just had I I thought they'd played that at the Vocken Hall Bash the other year. I could just see you there in a smoking jacket and all those ladies all swanning around. So well, we could have a bit of counterpoint every now and again to all sorts of things, don't we? So It was super interesting.
• 1:18:22
  Put that one. That's a great word.
• 1:18:25
  Well, that's quite interesting that.
• 1:18:28
  Very good. You're very polite in English. I love that. That's marvelous.
• 1:18:32
  So I just mucked down crap.
• 1:18:36
  Unknown: Ending was a bonus.
• 1:18:38
  Well,
• 1:18:39
  Unknown: I'm very pleased to hear that. This is this is great. This is really good.
• 1:18:44
  We've got Alexander Pole on the stage. I don't know if he's behind his microphone. Let me unmute him
• 1:18:50
  and see if I think I can unmute him. Let me just see. He was here a little bit earlier.
• 1:18:56
  Are you unmuted?
• 1:18:57
  Alexander,
• 1:18:58
  welcome to the show.
• 1:19:00
  Unknown: Thank you very much.
• 1:19:02
  Unknown: It's it's good to have you here. I don't know if you caught any of the first bit. You didn't have to. It wasn't sort of a regulation. We've just had a a very interesting chat with Charles Edward Fernandez about
• 1:19:12
  systems and dealing with the law and all this kind of stuff. Lot of fun it was. But
• 1:19:17
  now you're here because of a pest, a mutually shared pest friend that we have, who I'm not allowed to mention, so I won't, but it's been good fun.
• 1:19:25
  And I've
• 1:19:27
  been going through your film yesterday and today and all that kind of stuff, and most people here won't know very much about you at all,
• 1:19:36
  but you've got some very interesting tales to tell, and certainly the film was
• 1:19:40
  it confirmed a lot of, I suppose, before I watched the film, prejudices that I had, but they were,
• 1:19:46
  you know, solidly grounded in our cynicism of everything around here. We're quite cynical about, you know, the
• 1:19:52
  the standard establishment
• 1:19:54
  spiel about everything. So what's kind of just to introduce yourself to the audience, what's kind of your backstory,
• 1:20:00
  and and how did that film get made?
• 1:20:03
  Unknown: Wow. That film is five years old now, so I apologize for anything that's out of date because
• 1:20:09
  and ahead of its time.
• 1:20:12
  But my name is Alexander Pohl.
• 1:20:15
  It's my 40 year. I'm going to be 50 this year. I
• 1:20:19
  am
• 1:20:21
  like many people,
• 1:20:23
  an awakening Renaissance person, Renaissance man.
• 1:20:27
  I am
• 1:20:28
  reclaiming my God given gifts,
• 1:20:32
  but I came from a very common
• 1:20:35
  but interesting beginning.
• 1:20:40
  I'm born in Germany, grew up in The US. So I have a transatlantic
• 1:20:44
  sort of experience in life.
• 1:20:47
  My father was a second world war veteran. He said, hey, you need to make money, have a good career, become a banker.
• 1:20:54
  Unknown: So I went through an entire Oh, love bankers around here, Alexander. We love bankers.
• 1:20:59
  Of course. They're the greatest wankers that exist, don't they? Oh, you're gonna fit right in around here. This is brilliant. Yeah. Great.
• 1:21:07
  But
• 1:21:08
  Unknown: but, you know, society
• 1:21:11
  drives us towards performance
• 1:21:13
  for
• 1:21:14
  status,
• 1:21:15
  for money, etcetera. And I was a poster child of the,
• 1:21:19
  let's call it the matrix.
• 1:21:21
  I
• 1:21:23
  was a very competent and kind banker. So I never became
• 1:21:28
  wildly
• 1:21:29
  wealthy,
• 1:21:30
  you know, Wolf of Wall Street kind of style.
• 1:21:33
  However,
• 1:21:34
  I did fraternize with many Wolf of Wall Street types. So I do have some interesting stories to tell from that period of my life. I was in London for twenty years.
• 1:21:45
  So, you know, I know your audience is
• 1:21:48
  UK,
• 1:21:50
  though I don't sound it.
• 1:21:52
  I went to university in Edinburgh for four years studying engineering.
• 1:21:56
  So I'm a numbers and practical guy but I ended up working for KPMG
• 1:22:01
  and then HSBC in London for twenty years.
• 1:22:05
  So I know the financial industry
• 1:22:07
  inside and out.
• 1:22:09
  I also know all the frauds and cons that are taking place or that have taken place.
• 1:22:15
  And I love talking about it though no one likes to listen. So I do hope over the next
• 1:22:20
  sixty or ninety minutes that we will have together that people will
• 1:22:24
  pick up a few things, few tricks, a few snippets.
• 1:22:27
  Unknown: Yeah you've got I'm all ears because we talk about banking around here a lot. I'm not a banker right I'm not trained in the pragmatics of it but I've spent twenty years studying banking and my bookshelves have got all like that. I'm like anal about it, because I'm I'm I've never been really quite happy with banks.
• 1:22:44
  Let's put it that way. And I had to sort of personally everybody's heard me drone on about this, so I'll keep it brief, but I had to tunnel into it, because I got into a lot of trouble with the Bank of England over here about twenty five years ago.
• 1:22:55
  And, that was a massive sort of shock for me and woke me up and propelled me into this space. So I'm a bit of an old lag around all these sorts of issues, I suppose.
• 1:23:04
  What years were you what years were you a banker?
• 1:23:07
  Unknown: What when did that start? Yeah. Showing my showing my age, Black Hole Sun was Soundgarden
• 1:23:13
  at the peak of the grunge era, which was in my teenage years.
• 1:23:18
  Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  So in my twenties. So I was a banker and in finance, so KPMG from about the year 02/2002
• 1:23:28
  until my redundancy
• 1:23:30
  in 2020.
• 1:23:33
  So twenty years, a good solid twenty years of banking and finance in London.
• 1:23:40
  Unknown: Well so you end 2020
• 1:23:43
  this film's four years old, Headwind. Right? Yes. I put the link in in all of this. So Headwind is so did you just was something happening towards the tail end of your banking career that propelled you into
• 1:23:56
  looking at this sphere of what's called sustainable investment or whatever it's called these days.
• 1:24:01
  Unknown: Indeed.
• 1:24:02
  So Right.
• 1:24:04
  My financial career was focused on trying to make the world a better place with money
• 1:24:11
  because money makes the world go round and I thought well if you could make money good,
• 1:24:17
  well, is that not the magic solution to all the world's problems?
• 1:24:22
  So during my time at KPMG,
• 1:24:25
  these
• 1:24:27
  more often than not discovered to be fraudulent accountants.
• 1:24:31
  I learned a lot about climate change,
• 1:24:35
  green finance,
• 1:24:37
  carbon credits,
• 1:24:39
  all of these types of things which are very in vogue.
• 1:24:43
  Keir Starmer talked about it,
• 1:24:45
  Rishi Sunak talked about it, Boris Johnson talked about it, you know, all these green fraudulent schemes that are being financed with taxpayer money.
• 1:24:55
  So
• 1:24:57
  I was doing the deals, but at the time, because I was a passionate
• 1:25:01
  and
• 1:25:02
  good natured person, I thought I was doing positive things by structuring deals,
• 1:25:08
  helping companies with their climate change issues, etcetera,
• 1:25:12
  and also financing things like renewable energy, wind farms,
• 1:25:18
  energy efficiency, all of the types of things that are,
• 1:25:21
  I guess you'd say household things at the moment, you know, causing people's electricity bills to go up, etcetera.
• 1:25:28
  All of that is fraud. I mean, it's
• 1:25:31
  it's the financial crisis.
• 1:25:33
  The big, I call it the big green short.
• 1:25:37
  So, you know, two thousand and eight financial crisis,
• 1:25:39
  well, we're on the two thousand and eight financial crisis on green
• 1:25:44
  steroids.
• 1:25:45
  So people's
• 1:25:47
  pensions,
• 1:25:48
  people's savings,
• 1:25:50
  you know, all of this has been
• 1:25:53
  waged at the tables, let's call it, you know, this is Vegas.
• 1:25:57
  Banking is gambling,
• 1:25:59
  know, there's no other way to describe it. It's
• 1:26:02
  the house always wins
• 1:26:04
  and everyone
• 1:26:05
  thinks they have a great chance. They can read cards or account cards. They can do statistics,
• 1:26:12
  but it's all rigged to fail. And you know, part of the
• 1:26:16
  agenda,
• 1:26:17
  if people believe in this, that there is
• 1:26:20
  a global
• 1:26:22
  collusion,
• 1:26:23
  let's not call it conspiracy,
• 1:26:25
  let's call it a global collaboration
• 1:26:27
  of
• 1:26:28
  rich people, elites,
• 1:26:31
  whatever label you would like to give them. Their ultimate objective is to ensure that all of us are poor and destitute and
• 1:26:40
  desperate.
• 1:26:41
  So part of that process is
• 1:26:44
  fund managers. Know in The UK we had St James's Place which is a Rothschild.
• 1:26:51
  I'm shocked to hear that Alexander. It was founded by the Rothschilds. Look it up. It's a fact. Ideal in facts, not fiction.
• 1:27:00
  Yeah, so you know, the fund managers are taking, you know, 1% of every transaction,
• 1:27:06
  whether the money goes up or goes down. So there's an incentive
• 1:27:10
  for more and more money to flow. And I just discovered that during my times in banking. And then at the end, I started asking sensible questions of my colleagues who were doing unethical things
• 1:27:22
  that made me feel uncomfortable.
• 1:27:24
  And rather than saying, Alexander,
• 1:27:27
  I'm so grateful that you have raised these issues with us.
• 1:27:31
  As you can imagine, they turned on me and by the end I was made redundant
• 1:27:36
  despite having a board level sponsor.
• 1:27:40
  They forced me out which actually was
• 1:27:43
  serendipity
• 1:27:44
  because
• 1:27:46
  when I left
• 1:27:47
  in parallel to leaving just to give a little bit of context
• 1:27:52
  I started
• 1:27:53
  running around barefoot and drinking raw milk and kombucha
• 1:27:59
  Unknown: all the things In the offices?
• 1:28:00
  Unknown: In the offices. Actually we had a WeWork.
• 1:28:03
  I don't know if
• 1:28:05
  you or any of the listeners
• 1:28:07
  remember WeWork.
• 1:28:09
  WeWork was
• 1:28:12
  co working service offices company
• 1:28:14
  Unknown: that went bankrupt. I think so,
• 1:28:16
  Unknown: yeah, think so. It was really famous for
• 1:28:20
  being able to go to work in shorts and a t shirt and every Friday afternoon there was free beer.
• 1:28:26
  It was really the
• 1:28:27
  height of office
• 1:28:29
  hedonistic behavior
• 1:28:32
  and during that time I was, yeah, I was just becoming, let's call it awakened or
• 1:28:38
  just
• 1:28:41
  not being a conformist anymore.
• 1:28:44
  And then when I left I had in parallel I just happened to buy
• 1:28:49
  a property for £10,000
• 1:28:51
  in Sweden
• 1:28:53
  after doing a
• 1:28:55
  global analysis of where can I buy a cheap property that in twenty years time will be worth something?
• 1:29:02
  And I just happened to end up with Sweden, which was again,
• 1:29:06
  serendipity
• 1:29:07
  and led me on this journey that led to the film. And that film was just the beginning
• 1:29:14
  of some stories. One or two I will be happy to share today.
• 1:29:20
  Unknown: Well, what a what a great background. That's just that really lends weight to all the things that you say. I mean, you really came across that way in the film, but, obviously, your trajectory is such that a lot's changed probably in the last four or five years right? I would imagine it has.
• 1:29:34
  Unknown: Without a doubt I mean I was on the last the last easyJet flight that ever flew
• 1:29:40
  from London Gatwick
• 1:29:42
  to Ustasund,
• 1:29:44
  Jemtland,
• 1:29:45
  Northern Sweden.
• 1:29:47
  Unknown: I've never taken that flight myself because I couldn't even pronounce the name.
• 1:29:50
  Unknown: I tell you, I tell you, I didn't even know that this place existed
• 1:29:55
  before I moved here.
• 1:29:56
  And, to be honest, I
• 1:30:00
  encourage and invite your listeners to look it up because Jemtland
• 1:30:05
  itself
• 1:30:06
  actually in Swedish means equal
• 1:30:09
  land
• 1:30:10
  and it's a fascinating How is it spelled Alexander?
• 1:30:13
  Unknown: How is it spelled?
• 1:30:15
  J?
• 1:30:16
  Unknown: A? You know the A with the two dots above it? Oh those silly things yeah yeah one of those J A yeah? A umlaut it's called an umlaut
• 1:30:25
  those
• 1:30:27
  Unknown: ignorant english types like me. Exactly.
• 1:30:30
  Unknown: J A Umlaut M T L A N D. Jemtland.
• 1:30:35
  And
• 1:30:36
  it's an area of deep, deep history,
• 1:30:39
  spirituality.
• 1:30:42
  One guy, Olaf Rudbeck
• 1:30:44
  from 1691
• 1:30:46
  thought that Atlantis was here.
• 1:30:50
  Jempland was an anarchistic state for several hundred years.
• 1:30:54
  Anarchy is actually the system of nature. So before your listeners start thinking I'm a raper and pillager,
• 1:31:02
  actually anarchy is the system of nature. No central government, but rules and things.
• 1:31:08
  And
• 1:31:09
  also it has
• 1:31:11
  crazy
• 1:31:13
  sort of linkages I mean Greta Thunberia you know the the green saint.
• 1:31:20
  Unknown: Don't I don't call her that.
• 1:31:22
  I call her Theta, I tend
• 1:31:24
  to call her Theta grunt bird
• 1:31:27
  because
• 1:31:28
  I'm English and we do things like that, but she's
• 1:31:31
  I don't know why she's Well, she's just an actor. She's just an actor. It's been hilarious ever since she rocked up. There's a little girl out in the streets. Are you stop kidding me. And everybody got sucked in, didn't they? I mean, does the she's in your film. She makes a little appearance there. She's very well trained in the acting.
• 1:31:48
  Unknown: Yes. Indeed. And I've I've met her three times.
• 1:31:51
  Right. And actually, I know her handlers,
• 1:31:53
  and I know the guy and the family that actually invented her because she's
• 1:32:00
  a victim. Know, she doesn't actually, I don't think she actually knows exactly what she's doing because of her
• 1:32:06
  mental illness and disability.
• 1:32:08
  She's a lovely woman. I'm not criticizing
• 1:32:11
  her as a person. But there's
• 1:32:13
  a great article written
• 1:32:16
  by a
• 1:32:17
  French journalist that uncovers
• 1:32:20
  the entire story of how they invented her and how it's the green industrial complex.
• 1:32:26
  In Sweden, we have
• 1:32:28
  many,
• 1:32:29
  I call them hidden hands. So most people don't realize that actually they think that the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers or all these people run the world, but they're, I don't know, maybe layer four or five of whatever collusion there might be.
• 1:32:43
  The Swedes are a layer above them
• 1:32:48
  you know pillows. What do mean like royal dynasties or royal ancient families in Sweden? Ancient families, ancient families. There's one called the Wallenbergs,
• 1:32:57
  they are the ones who are behind the second world war, they're behind Hitler,
• 1:33:03
  they're behind
• 1:33:05
  the petrochemical
• 1:33:06
  industry,
• 1:33:08
  Unknown: they're it's crazy. Once you start to look in We we don't need to cover that today, but when we have you back on because I'm already salivating about that, that would be a really good that would be good. I mean, I've not really looked at these. I'm aware of them because, you know, you you bump into the Rockefeller Rothschild situation,
• 1:33:24
  and there's enough there to keep you busy for the rest of your life, and many people do. And I'm one of them. You know, I've spent a lot of time sort of looking at that until you sort of go, well, the amount of facts and details around here are too met there's too many for me to fit them all in in one lifetime. You're looking for the principal sort of dynamics behind the whole thing and certainly these ancient families and then the other thing that we mentioned sometimes that is the grey pope, the one that bosses the other ones around. They all seem to be intertwined with this,
• 1:33:50
  certainly these these long standing families of Europe, who are obviously, I'm assuming to some degree, either coordinating
• 1:33:57
  Unknown: or have family spats every now and again in which millions of men die unfortunately. Indeed. Indeed. But I I like I like the I can hear, like, a lightness in your voice that you that you enjoy the exploration and, you know,
• 1:34:11
  science and and humans. We're, you know, we're super super computer
• 1:34:16
  human beings, So we need this.
• 1:34:20
  But I always say, and you know this really annoying person who brought us together,
• 1:34:24
  I also said to her
• 1:34:27
  Unknown: I know. We we love her really. She's absolutely I've only known her a few weeks. She's so cheeky. It's hilarious. It's very very funny. Yeah. I love it. So it's great that she's done this. So Yeah. But I say I say to her, you know, there are two things that you need to think about.
• 1:34:41
  Unknown: One,
• 1:34:42
  does this information change your day to day life? And, you know, we had Eric
• 1:34:48
  it was Eric earlier talking about debt collection and fees. You know, those are day to day things that affect your life, right? And if something changes, you will change the way you live. But some of this stuff, is it the Rothschilds? Is it the Wallenbergs?
• 1:35:02
  Is it
• 1:35:04
  the Illuminati? You know, whatever exercise
• 1:35:07
  or intellectual
• 1:35:08
  exploration you do,
• 1:35:10
  is the earth flat or round? Is Donald Trump a puppet? I don't know.
• 1:35:16
  It doesn't change the way that you live your day to day life. So it just becomes a little bit of intellectual
• 1:35:22
  you know, it's like going to the gym for your brain.
• 1:35:25
  Unknown: It is. I you're absolutely right. I think when you first start to stumble into that arena,
• 1:35:31
  well, not everybody, but for some of us, many of the listeners are here, I think many of the people are like this, you become
• 1:35:37
  comp I became completely enmeshed in it because what it's doing is sending signals back to you that many of your suspicions when you were a teenager and didn't know your head from your backside were right. You were kind of your instincts were right, but you'd never had the sort of knowledge for it. I think when you're left in that space a bit too long,
• 1:35:55
  you tend to sort of stew in your own juices, and and it does become a case at times of you can't see the wood for the trees because
• 1:36:01
  the pragmatics of day to day living are a way in which we can turn it around.
• 1:36:06
  Just like you know, was Charles. It was Eric's still in the studio, but it sounds like It's alright.
• 1:36:10
  No. It's okay.
• 1:36:12
  I mean Eric knows quite a few things about this stuff as well, but I think
• 1:36:16
  we all do. And you have to I mean, for me personally, I've sort of gone, where do I draw a line under this? How much more do I need to know about the ancient history of this, that, and the other? And you go, it's the principles, the the dynamics. And you realize there's really only one kind of war that's always been going on, a kind of us versus them, and you're trying to find out who them is. And even if you knew who they were exactly and where they lived, the next question is what are you gonna do about that? And you go, probably
• 1:36:42
  Unknown: not much. Actually, they've got an awful lot of power behind them. So there's got to be a different way to disrupt them as opposed to just, you know, I tend to I hear you. I hear you. Though I would take the Monsters Inc. Analogy, and I don't know if you've ever touched upon this, but you know Monsters Inc. Is what this world is.
• 1:37:00
  You know, they feed on our fear.
• 1:37:02
  The
• 1:37:04
  way you beat them is by enjoying
• 1:37:06
  your life.
• 1:37:08
  You know, that's the simplicity of it. You know, if you let them get you down with, you know
• 1:37:14
  all of their BS you know and I mean
• 1:37:17
  Unknown: is it Andy Burnham who's the new Prime Minister in The UK? Yeah well it's spelled Alex it's spelled b u r n h a m but it's pronounced bumhole
• 1:37:26
  Okay. Andy
• 1:37:28
  Unknown: bumhole.
• 1:37:29
  You know, Andy bumhole is the latest,
• 1:37:32
  you know, the latest,
• 1:37:34
  target
• 1:37:36
  for throwing eggs and tomatoes
• 1:37:38
  and just
• 1:37:41
  every vulgarity that you can think of.
• 1:37:44
  But
• 1:37:45
  but you know, if you just laugh at him and just feel empathy and say, jeez, that is a real Muppet.
• 1:37:52
  I'm just gonna go hang out with my friends now and
• 1:37:56
  have a nice dinner and you know, just say
• 1:37:59
  I'm so grateful to Sofia
• 1:38:03
  or whatever. If you happen to be gnostic a little bit like I am,
• 1:38:09
  whatever universe,
• 1:38:10
  God, Allah,
• 1:38:12
  Buddha,
• 1:38:13
  Vishnu, I don't care.
• 1:38:16
  Just that you're alive.
• 1:38:17
  You try to do your best, be kind to people,
• 1:38:20
  have fun and then, you know, they can do whatever they want.
• 1:38:24
  They can spray whatever they want. They can force whatever digital prison upon you.
• 1:38:31
  If you're happy in yourself
• 1:38:33
  and just loving life,
• 1:38:35
  you know they can't win.
• 1:38:37
  And
• 1:38:38
  because you know, I was speaking to our conference because
• 1:38:42
  I live in the North Of Sweden. I have a sweet place here. I have a five hectare farm
• 1:38:48
  on a lake, it's the midnight sun in the summer now.
• 1:38:53
  People come here, I do retreats now. So I'm a Wim Hof instructor running retreats to just inspire people.
• 1:39:00
  People come here and they're like, Oh my God, I need to change everything.
• 1:39:04
  My life sucks, you're so lucky.
• 1:39:06
  And I said, Woah, take
• 1:39:09
  a step back,
• 1:39:10
  know, you are where you need to be
• 1:39:14
  and it's up to you to uncover the magic of your life, yourself,
• 1:39:20
  your being.
• 1:39:22
  If I can inspire you to try to do better,
• 1:39:25
  to be kinder,
• 1:39:27
  to have more empathy,
• 1:39:28
  I will happily help you on that journey.
• 1:39:31
  But everyone
• 1:39:32
  needs to be
• 1:39:34
  comfortable and confident in themselves because their soul
• 1:39:38
  used to not be spiritual, so am I allowed to be spiritual for thirty seconds?
• 1:39:42
  Unknown: Yes absolutely
• 1:39:44
  I think you know it's a funny word isn't it? I've had a lot of people come up to me I'm spiritual and I tend to say well I've well everybody is the only people that are not spiritual are either unborn
• 1:39:55
  or they're in the ground or dead or whatever's happened to them. If you're moving around, I mean it might not it might be very dormant in people,
• 1:40:02
  but it's there. It's like the it's part of the animating force in my view. Today, I'm always open to changing things but Yeah?
• 1:40:10
  You know because people can they think it's it confers some means I'm highly sensitive and all this that and the other go well you mean some people are I suppose in certain ways but overall
• 1:40:19
  you're an animated being and there's a force that's doing it and
• 1:40:24
  we don't even know what we are half the time. It's
• 1:40:27
  quite a challenge sometimes being a human being, I think.
• 1:40:30
  Unknown: I mean it's a joy, know, to be perfectly honest. I'm divorced
• 1:40:35
  twice.
• 1:40:36
  I have
• 1:40:37
  two amazing kids, one going into his teenage years.
• 1:40:42
  I have
• 1:40:44
  faced innumerous
• 1:40:45
  challenges and bullshit.
• 1:40:47
  I just came through hay fever season. Anyone who has hay fever, I empathize with you. I would love to wish it on my worst enemy.
• 1:40:56
  Unknown: So I Yes. Do you get it too, Eric? I used it before before I went over to a keto diet. And when I went over to a keto diet, it stopped.
• 1:41:05
  Amazing. It's something to do with your food. Okay.
• 1:41:08
  What they're
• 1:41:10
  putting in the food, right? Not necessarily.
• 1:41:13
  It's it's basically
• 1:41:15
  going back to eating the way our ancestors ate
• 1:41:19
  and that I was absolutely amazed.
• 1:41:22
  I have the occasional sneeze but nothing like I used to have it. I mean, I used to be coughing and pounding
• 1:41:28
  and going to like a hay fever attacks. You know,
• 1:41:32
  Just carry
• 1:41:33
  on sneezing. I just couldn't stop sneezing.
• 1:41:36
  Yeah. And my eyes were running. I was in a terrible state, but I changed my diet. It went.
• 1:41:41
  Unknown: Strange.
• 1:41:43
  Because I I had a few good years, and then this year was awful and I had to result to
• 1:41:50
  the big pharma
• 1:41:53
  but
• 1:41:54
  it did work for me. But no, I mean the thing is that we're in a time where people are awakening to
• 1:42:01
  just the fact that they are that everything is so much more than you know they were taught in school,
• 1:42:07
  their ancestors,
• 1:42:09
  know like their grandparents and their great grandparents
• 1:42:12
  lived
• 1:42:13
  and that, you know, we're going into some crazy age. I mean, I'm just looking at my bookshelf and in the
• 1:42:19
  secondhand shop here in Sweden, Swedes love secondhand shops, it's like crazy,
• 1:42:24
  but it's the
• 1:42:26
  singularity
• 1:42:27
  is near.
• 1:42:28
  And even though I hate,
• 1:42:31
  like I used to be a techno
• 1:42:32
  junkie
• 1:42:33
  and
• 1:42:34
  now I hate technology and no offense to Charles,
• 1:42:38
  but you know, ChatGPT,
• 1:42:40
  Grok,
• 1:42:41
  all the AI models that are being offered to us for free
• 1:42:45
  you know. Is there anything of such thing as something that's for free right?
• 1:42:49
  Unknown: Course there is of course as it says so on the adverts it's all free you know.
• 1:42:55
  Must be they wouldn't lie to us would they? Of course not. Course not.
• 1:43:00
  Unknown: You know of course all of these systems are causing
• 1:43:06
  atrophy of our brain right.
• 1:43:08
  All the AI systems are being offered to make us stupid
• 1:43:12
  and dependent.
• 1:43:14
  Not to say that what Charles is doing, which I think is really cool,
• 1:43:18
  is to beat them at their own game. So using the AI
• 1:43:25
  to remove the complexity of the systems. Know, I had a conversation with the Land Metriette, which is the land registry of Sweden,
• 1:43:33
  which is 100%
• 1:43:35
  digital.
• 1:43:36
  And I said to them, how do I prove that this house is my own?
• 1:43:39
  Because everything is digital you know in Sweden you can buy a house.
• 1:43:47
  Unknown: We've
• 1:43:48
  just lost him momentarily. We just lost you momentarily Alex.
• 1:43:53
  Unknown: Am I back?
• 1:43:54
  Unknown: Yeah. You're back. It was only for a few seconds.
• 1:43:57
  Unknown: My god. They're listening.
• 1:43:58
  They're not. They're
• 1:44:01
  Unknown: not. I was saying something really important. It's called the Internet, and it sometimes goes wobbly. I think I'm happy with that. I mean Good. You know, we're not we're not shaking their boots enough yet for them to send out armed people because we're having a conversation. Not yet. Maybe those days are on the way. I don't know. But no. Fine. Anyway, you're talking about the land registry in Sweden and digital. Yes. The land registry. And I said, how do I prove that this is my house because I don't have a deed? There's
• 1:44:28
  Unknown: no solicitor involved. There's no wet signature.
• 1:44:32
  And they said, well, you go on the website and you
• 1:44:35
  put in your details. I said, well,
• 1:44:38
  what if someone hacked
• 1:44:40
  the registry
• 1:44:42
  and you know, only corrupted 3%?
• 1:44:44
  How would I come to the registry and say, hey, no,
• 1:44:47
  Tom Smith or whomever who claims to own my property now is not the rightful owner.
• 1:44:53
  And I suddenly realized that in this digital age,
• 1:44:56
  you know, we're just so vulnerable,
• 1:44:58
  right? The only thing we have is our
• 1:45:02
  sovereign self
• 1:45:04
  but as Charles was also talking about our sovereign self is also one of these complex legal
• 1:45:10
  and natural
• 1:45:11
  things.
• 1:45:13
  So we just you just have to have fun with it right?
• 1:45:16
  And that's again part of my moral is,
• 1:45:20
  know,
• 1:45:21
  just
• 1:45:22
  have fun being alive
• 1:45:24
  and experience
• 1:45:26
  and then you know whatever comes is just part of the experience.
• 1:45:33
  Unknown: Well keep you stable
• 1:45:34
  and stop you fretting overly fretting about things that most times you can't do too much about.
• 1:45:40
  Unknown: Well and you know they love they love us being stressed. Mean one of the founders of Google I forget what his name was he says that Google thrives in chaos.
• 1:45:50
  You know if you think about guy. Yeah, he's super nice. Yeah.
• 1:45:54
  I mean you watch the film you know my nemesis in the film is Google
• 1:45:58
  and it's no surprise that YouTube, Google owns,
• 1:46:03
  throttled my film at only 250,000
• 1:46:05
  views
• 1:46:06
  when we reckon it's been viewed, you know, I would like to say or my ego would like to say at least 2,000,000 times.
• 1:46:13
  Because,
• 1:46:15
  you know, we're just in this age of
• 1:46:18
  the only truth that really exists is what you feel
• 1:46:22
  is the truth, like intuitively, you know, really deep inside.
• 1:46:26
  Everything else is just
• 1:46:29
  being nudged
• 1:46:30
  or Instagram
• 1:46:32
  or Facebook or you know, the latest
• 1:46:36
  Unknown: trend. Yeah, it's kind
• 1:46:38
  of hijacking of the attention which is because you know this phrase the attention economy but it's always been that to some degree, you know, whatever your attention is drawn to is how your life kind of turns out for that period until you go, hang on. Why am I spending so much time watching football games or whatever,
• 1:46:53
  you know, and that maybe I could use my time for better things. I think it's I mean, to some degree, it's always been like that certainly from in terms of the the so called relationship between those in power and those that they don't want to ever get near holding whatever this liquid strange thing called power actually might be. But it's certainly colossal influence that they've achieved. And you're right about the anxiety things that they you know, well, I was just reading a clip out earlier on in the show about humiliation.
• 1:47:19
  They sort of get a kick out of this kind of stuff.
• 1:47:22
  They've they've evolved into a very sort of strange subset of human beings, I suppose, or maybe they were always like that, you know, looking right back into ancient ancient ancient history.
• 1:47:34
  It's as if this
• 1:47:36
  this relationship has always been present with us in some way, and it goes a long way to explaining all of what we would rightly perceive, I guess, as these
• 1:47:44
  completely unnecessary and toxic conflicts and wars, particularly between the brothers of Europe, which have been just completely barking mad from start to finish, really. That's right.
• 1:47:54
  Unknown: I mean, my my father, I mean, he was in second world war as well. So was your father.
• 1:47:59
  And he always said it was a war that should never have happened.
• 1:48:03
  Unknown: But you do know why it happened. Right?
• 1:48:06
  Oh yeah, do now. You know it had nothing to do with Hitler and it had nothing to do with Jews and it had nothing it was a
• 1:48:13
  societal
• 1:48:15
  reorganization
• 1:48:16
  program.
• 1:48:18
  Can I finish?
• 1:48:20
  You can. Yeah, go on. Yeah, please. Before the world wars,
• 1:48:24
  80%
• 1:48:25
  of people
• 1:48:26
  in Europe
• 1:48:27
  lived as sovereign,
• 1:48:29
  independent,
• 1:48:31
  I guess you would say beings
• 1:48:33
  in the countryside.
• 1:48:35
  By the end of the second world war, and these statistics are not to the number accurate,
• 1:48:40
  but 80%
• 1:48:42
  of people moved to urban areas.
• 1:48:47
  We can talk about architecture being destroyed and how they flattened, you know, many of these ancient buildings that Dresden. Some Dresden,
• 1:48:55
  you know, and let's say the the Brits really have something to answer for there because if you want to talk about genocide and senseless tiddling and bombing,
• 1:49:04
  Dresden is a great example of the Brits doing that. But of course Churchill was a total psychopath.
• 1:49:10
  Unknown: I mean, I hope you're you're of the same opinion, but he was not No. Don't don't worry about it. You're you're in good company here. We we don't venerate that turd at all. I've said very often that if we could get in charge of melting down the statues, we'd turn them into urinals because
• 1:49:25
  that's all he's fit for. But I I do he was a Muppet. I mean, was definitely a controlled puppet at a very high level as well. I agree. I agree. And you know pay for him.
• 1:49:36
  Unknown: Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. And you know if you look
• 1:49:40
  at the dreadnoughts there's the great you know the pre World War one
• 1:49:45
  when Churchill I think he was the I forget what role he played in the government. Lord of the Admiralty I think something like that. And he was leading this propaganda campaign, whipping up the Brits
• 1:49:56
  to support this bankrupting
• 1:49:59
  build out of these dreadnought
• 1:50:01
  warships.
• 1:50:02
  I mean, when I read that, because during the COVID era,
• 1:50:07
  of which I was so blessed to have moved to Sweden because, you know, Sweden was the only country in Europe where we were not locked down.
• 1:50:15
  We didn't have all the draconian measures.
• 1:50:19
  Of course, I learned after COVID why that was. You know? The the Swedes are I call them sleeping vikings.
• 1:50:25
  Unknown: Lovely people, but they are they're the lights are on, but no one's home. And it's like that over here. It's like that. I think basically there's a small percentage amongst all nations that that are alive or are seeking it. I've got an app an app
• 1:50:41
  an appetite for it and an attitude for it, and huge numbers of people throughout history, it's not necessarily usually
• 1:50:47
  generally sort of half asleep, half awake on things and find it very difficult to get into a condition where they're fully engaged,
• 1:50:54
  where they're questioning everything.
• 1:50:56
  Unknown: Tend to not do Very that true. Too I mean it's Plato's allegory of the cave and you know the Gnostics view on
• 1:51:04
  NPCs. This is a bit of a trendy term at the moment, non player characters,
• 1:51:09
  people who are alive but just running programs,
• 1:51:12
  sleep, eat, work, repeat,
• 1:51:14
  watch football, beat up
• 1:51:17
  your neighbor, your friends, your wife, whatever.
• 1:51:20
  But
• 1:51:22
  what was crazy is that during all of these times, you start to discover
• 1:51:27
  that
• 1:51:28
  there are patterns.
• 1:51:31
  To be perfectly honest, Food for Thought Radio for me is a little bit of an
• 1:51:37
  exciting eye opener because I knew that there were plenty of people who were talking about this stuff. But after finding out that the likes of
• 1:51:48
  what's his name used to be married to Katy Perry looks like Jesus lives in Florida now. Russell Brand. Russell Brand.
• 1:51:55
  Yeah, that Russell Brand is
• 1:51:58
  I call him controlled opposition. Know, he's just
• 1:52:02
  designed to make people hate each other and hate themselves and hate,
• 1:52:06
  I guess, it's all about selling hates. Know, I always look for the people who are trying to make people happy
• 1:52:13
  and trying to lift them up and trying to give them self respect.
• 1:52:17
  Russell Brand is not one of them, sadly. No, I'd agree with you on that. No, At beginning,
• 1:52:24
  really liked him.
• 1:52:25
  I really liked Tucker Carlson.
• 1:52:28
  I liked all these many of these people.
• 1:52:30
  And then I suddenly realized that they are designed at getting us to look at our
• 1:52:35
  neighbor.
• 1:52:36
  Maybe they are a refugee or an immigrant or a woman or
• 1:52:41
  different from us and get us to like be skeptical of them and say, Oh, the problem is them.
• 1:52:49
  So that
• 1:52:50
  entire process really came alive during COVID and moving to Sweden because Sweden,
• 1:52:57
  you know, Sweden is such a weird place.
• 1:53:00
  I mean, I invite
• 1:53:02
  every one of your listeners to come out to Sweden because it's a beautiful country. You can have an amazing holiday here.
• 1:53:09
  It's really it's a fun place. It's really a fun place. Mhmm.
• 1:53:14
  But it's also really creepy.
• 1:53:16
  I mean, there's a movie called Midsummer
• 1:53:20
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:53:21
  Unknown: Which is it's a little bit tongue in cheek. It's one of these it's a horror movie, but, you know, at the heart of every one of these horror movies is a little bit of truth or a cult.
• 1:53:32
  Because, know, in Sweden,
• 1:53:34
  the witch trials were amongst the most prolific in all of Europe, you know. They might be humanitarians
• 1:53:41
  today
• 1:53:42
  or pretend to be because one of the largest defense companies is actually Saab. Have you ever heard of Saab?
• 1:53:48
  Unknown: Yes. Yes. The makers of aircraft and of a magnificent Saab turbo back in the eighties. Yes. That that little car that, you know, everyone kind of just,
• 1:53:59
  Unknown: maybe had a romance with or thought was just pointless.
• 1:54:03
  But, actually, it's the it's the world's most
• 1:54:07
  successful
• 1:54:08
  defense, like weapons manufacturer.
• 1:54:11
  And no one talks about them. No one talks about them. You know, Sweden is all about humanitarianism.
• 1:54:17
  And, you know, they love
• 1:54:20
  everyone,
• 1:54:21
  but actually they're like they're
• 1:54:23
  super racist.
• 1:54:26
  They
• 1:54:29
  love guns and you know weapons. Oh I like them already.
• 1:54:33
  Unknown: That sounds good. Yeah.
• 1:54:35
  Unknown: And the next is it's the most institutionally
• 1:54:38
  corrupt country
• 1:54:39
  in the world.
• 1:54:42
  Unknown: Crazy. Right? How
• 1:54:43
  Unknown: is it? And it's
• 1:54:45
  not the most happy country. You know, they do this happiness index in Finland and Sweden always come out on top.
• 1:54:52
  Everyone here well, not everyone here. I'm a gen I overgeneralize.
• 1:54:57
  But you know, the the divorce rate is like, I don't know, I'm gonna say eighty percent. It's super crazy. I'm divorced myself since moving to Sweden. So I'm part of that statistic.
• 1:55:07
  But you know, they're they're addicted.
• 1:55:10
  Snooze, I I think Snooze is in The UK now as well. These tobacco
• 1:55:15
  tea bags that you shove up your upper lip.
• 1:55:19
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah I know the ones you're talking about yeah yeah
• 1:55:22
  Unknown: all addicted to that. They're all addicted to that. The gambling,
• 1:55:26
  alcoholism,
• 1:55:28
  know every addiction vice is prolific in Swedish society.
• 1:55:33
  You know, the entire
• 1:55:35
  man, woman, androgynous
• 1:55:39
  confusion
• 1:55:40
  that we're seeing in The UK and in other countries with these unisex toilets
• 1:55:45
  and
• 1:55:46
  men do what women do, women do what men do. I'm not saying that men and women cannot do what each other does, but there is masculinity and femininity and Yeah, overall it's a bit silly basically. It's a bit silly. Yeah,
• 1:55:58
  it is. But I mean I had my 10 year old, he went to the school nurse, I came because I don't trust the system and they asked my 10 year old if he felt like a boy or a girl.
• 1:56:11
  He's 10 years old.
• 1:56:13
  Unknown: He's 10 years old. He doesn't feel like anything you know right? No he's just 10, he's a boy, he's just looking for trees to climb and throw mud at someone right? Exactly, exactly.
• 1:56:23
  Unknown: So this country is
• 1:56:26
  a fascinating
• 1:56:27
  cornucopia
• 1:56:29
  of
• 1:56:30
  you know just things that provoke thought
• 1:56:33
  and I've really enjoyed it because since coming here, so I mean I had a great life in London. I love London, I love it less now because you know it's just it's just Because it's not London anymore.
• 1:56:45
  Unknown: London. It's Londonistan.
• 1:56:47
  Yeah.
• 1:56:48
  It's not a it's not a place that people really want to go to. I mean it's just not London.
• 1:56:54
  They they've taken different approaches in different nations.
• 1:56:57
  Suppose because they've micro studied the sort of cultural
• 1:57:00
  values of each particular people or their habits, and they've worked on breaking those down. I mean Exactly. Constant
• 1:57:07
  you you what you were talking about the land movement or the movement of people during the wars, you know, I I I tend to view what war World War one and two as the bookends
• 1:57:16
  of a of a project,
• 1:57:18
  with a sort of halftime break in the middle,
• 1:57:21
  for them to rear and catch their breath before they actually sort of repeated the whole thing again. But,
• 1:57:26
  I mean, that that change makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, we we've got a lot of things about the destruction of the buildings. You mentioned buildings. We we bang on like a couple of old farts here regularly about
• 1:57:37
  the horrible, foul, sick buildings that are going up all over the world and of course they have also the same effects of producing anxiety and demoralization
• 1:57:46
  in the people that have to live by them. They don't realize this but but they're foul they're absolutely hideous they they actually make you feel lower in spirit which is obviously by design
• 1:57:57
  Unknown: and gold indigo
• 1:57:59
  Unknown: the architects here the world's worst architect sorry
• 1:58:03
  Unknown: no I was gonna say it's
• 1:58:05
  funny that you say that because here in Sweden I have a politician friend. He's a little bit of a disgraced politician, but yeah, I enjoy hanging out with him sometimes.
• 1:58:13
  But he said that there was a scientific study
• 1:58:16
  of the modern architecture
• 1:58:18
  and because the human brain,
• 1:58:21
  so you consciously
• 1:58:22
  see things, right? You look and you see this, you see that, but unconsciously your brain is constantly scanning its environment
• 1:58:30
  keep itself entertained because it's a supercomputer, right? It's trillions and trillions of neurons.
• 1:58:36
  You know, it's an incredible
• 1:58:38
  work of eight billion years of
• 1:58:41
  research and development if
• 1:58:44
  that's the history. Let's just accept
• 1:58:46
  Unknown: common sense. It's one way of describing it. I'm fine with that. It's one way of describing it. There's many other ways but you It may not be that. Exactly. So anyway, so our brain is constantly, it needs to be entertained. And these modern buildings
• 1:58:57
  Unknown: are glass and steel and like devoid of design.
• 1:59:02
  So the brain
• 1:59:03
  goes
• 1:59:04
  insane.
• 1:59:06
  So actually it is scientifically proven that modern architecture
• 1:59:10
  leads to a form of insanity.
• 1:59:14
  Unknown: And also I think it also puts you in a state of fight or flight because of all the sharp angles and the straight lines.
• 1:59:21
  Agree. We have traditionally associated those things with, very sharp teeth and pointy things and stuff like that. And you go, oh, that can't be right, but it's very subtle. And and it Yes. Puts people in a state of mild to ever increasing anxiety, and then they Yeah. Wonder why they're flying off the handle all the time. Whereas if you put them in a nice village with a babbling brook and thatched roofs and smoke coming out of things, everybody looks and and goes, I wanna live there. Do you know why? It doesn't matter what the why is. You do wanna live there. You just do. It's instinctively sound. But before I bang on anymore, we're just coming to the end of our slot on w we're carrying on, Alexander, but I've just gotta say goodbye to oh, and I'm gonna play a song now because it's at the top of the hour. We're gonna say goodbye to all the listeners on WBN three two four. We'll be back again same time next week, 8PM UK, 3PM US eastern,
• 2:00:09
  and we'll see you all next week. And if you're on WBN three two four, I got word through that Rhea Bow show will be back on Sunday, this coming Sunday,
• 2:00:16
  which is 11AM UK time,
• 2:00:19
  6AM US eastern time. So you'll have to get up early for that one, but you already do. Anyway, I'm gonna play a little daft thing. I quite like this,
• 2:00:27
  by Bill Hicks and George Carlin singing a song. You probably didn't know that they ever did a dude a duet, but they did. It's just a couple of minutes long. We'll be back on the other side of this, everyone.
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  Unknown: There is a point. Is there a point to all this? Let's
• 2:00:40
  find a point.
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  Is this real,
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  real, real versus just a ride?
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  Unknown: I
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  It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward,
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  it doesn't judge at all.
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  Just is,
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  and so are we.
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  For a little while, and a while, and a while.
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  Unknown: When it's cold and damp in New York City
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  and all the girls don't look so pretty
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  and you can't find a job
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  and you're looking like a slob.
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  But go west
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  and realize your dreams go west.
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  Eat pork and beans go west.
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  Wagon's home.
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  To go west,
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  it's all a rage go west.
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  Get a living rage go west.
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  Wagon's
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  home.
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  A way out west, they got the best, they got
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  Oh, hang on. Stop that.
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  I'm sorry about that. You got an extra song because I had to go and get some water. Yeah. I believe that you believe anything. Anyway, welcome to hour three.
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  So, yeah, that's why you got an extra song. I suddenly found out that my glass was empty, and I had to go I had to go all the way down to the well and draw my own water. So, anyway, welcome to hour three, and we're here with Alexander Pohl. And Eric, I think, might still be with us. I don't know if he is. Are you still there, sir? Yes. I'm still with you. Yep. Yep. Lovely.
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  And where had we got to before I so rudely interrupted the flow with all those songs? What happened?
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  Unknown: I remember. Oh, good question. I think I was just in awe of, the two of you and your capacity for,
• 2:06:39
  assimilating new and different ideas.
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  Unknown: Oh, that's what we do around here. We're we're English, you know. We do that sort of thing.
• 2:06:47
  Unknown: I know. I know.
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  Unknown: Do that sort of thing. It's it's interesting, you know, the it's go east, obviously, for it's not go west, which was the last song by Geraint Watkins. It's go east to Sweden, right, for us from here. But
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  Yes. It's a pretty big country, isn't it, Sweden? It's pretty it's pretty huge. I've got another contact in Sweden, a guy called Michael, who says similar things to the things that you've been saying
• 2:07:10
  about so many sleeping Swedes.
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  But, of course, we say the same thing about the English, and I would imagine people in Italy and Germany and France and Spain of a similar ilk say probably pretty much the same sort of thing. Obviously, in German and Spanish and Italian, I guess, or whatever they're speaking.
• 2:07:27
  But, I think it's there's a commonality all over the you know, there are those people that are looking around and going, hey. Hang on. It's all our nations that are getting hammered. I mean, I don't know what it's like in China, and I'm never going to know because I have no intention of going, and I'm not Chinese. What would be the point? It'd be very silly. For me, it just wouldn't work out. But Oh, but you would love to meet the real Chinese because the modern Chinese are a Swedish creation.
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  Are they?
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  Are they really?
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  Unknown: Yeah. I used to have a friend create them then? How did they create them? Well, I used to have a friend, and he said all good things come from Iran,
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  I think, the kimono. It was very funny. But since moving to Sweden in the last six years,
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  I've learned a lot.
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  And so China,
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  Mao, you know, Mao came to power. He was a communist.
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  Sweden is a communist country. It is a communist country
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  wearing
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  democratic clothing.
• 2:08:25
  And I can explain why it's a communist country. But anyway,
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  Sweden was the first country to recognize
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  China after Mao's revolution.
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  Sweden was the first country to support China's opening to the West in 1989.
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  Many Chinese companies are
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  using Swedish technology
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  because Sweden invented the mobile phone.
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  Bluetooth
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  that everyone uses is a Swedish creation.
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  Unknown: Sorry to tell you, anyone using AirPods Wasn't isn't Bluetooth a nickname for a famous Swedish pirate?
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  Unknown: Pirate or no? It was a king, wasn't it? I think it was a Swedish king. Okay. It Same
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  is but the technology is used to read your thoughts. So in surprise,
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  surprise. The Swedes invented
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  the technology that can read your thoughts.
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  But
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  actually Sweden pops up time and time again. If you look at the liberalization
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  of Japan in the late 1800s,
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  Sweden was in the midst of it.
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  Everywhere you go, you can even look at The US
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  and the level of Swedish influence in The US is insane.
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  But I didn't know any of this until I moved here and then I started asking questions.
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  Unknown: Well that's interesting. I'd never really you know it's almost as if probably every people have got some claim to having people from their tribe play a role in this,
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  to some degree. I mean, you know,
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  Mao is, an interesting character in that
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  we know I know that certainly agents from Britain went over there in the late twenties to actually formulate the base
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  of communism,
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  because I view London as the home of communism.
• 2:10:10
  And you were saying that Sweden's a communist country, but I've been saying that about England for a long time. Because if you look at the International Communist Manifesto,
• 2:10:18
  two of the pivotal points are a progressive income tax and a central bank, and I'm going do we have those? They go yeah, you're a commie then? I said you might not be one in spirit, I said they are the most detestable vermin on the face of the earth unfortunately,
• 2:10:31
  there's a you know, and I wouldn't say that about them if if you thought that there was any chance of having communications with them that they might be able to listen to, but they can't listen to them literally. No. Of course. I don't think they can hear these ideas at all,
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  Unknown: you know. But I love the fact that you said tribe
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  because I think that that is also a common thread that you can dread throughout this history that we're sort of rediscovering
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  over the last, I don't know, hundred thousand,
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  ten thousand years.
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  But Norman
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  what it was? No. William the Conqueror.
• 2:11:07
  Yes? Boo. Brutus. Boo. Boo. Boo. But he was he was a Swede. Right? He was a Viking. Right? He was. Yep. The Norman He was a man.
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  Unknown: Yeah. So actually to the Norsemen do you know what happened to the Norsemen under under Charlemagne? The reason that the the the Normans became
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  the aggressive savage warriors that they were then noted to be for several hundred years is to do with Charlemagne.
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  Unknown: Yes. Because
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  Unknown: he murdered 5,000 of them at a peace conference. They were invited to turn up to a peace conference and told to turn up unarmed and being willing at the time
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  and wanting to seek peace, they did just that and they were just slaughtered.
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  And afterwards the remnant said, oh that's the way the game is played is it? And they became
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  this highly,
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  aggressive or for one of them destructive force and they organized themselves and they were noted for it. I mean, were the,
• 2:12:02
  depending on what your definition is, in the crusades, they were they were known to be outstanding performers,
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  Unknown: in that particular situation. And you you know, if you were in a rough spot, you probably want them by your back. That's a thing. Indeed. That's just the way it was back then. But do you think that that is actually the truth? Because, you know, we've been we've been fed a lot of a lot of false history. Because that, you know, the McDonald's and the Campbell's. Have you ever heard the story of the McDonald's and the Campbell's in Scotland? They were always having a punch up, weren't they? Were always having a punch up, they have one of these stories where the I don't I think it was the Campbell's. The Campbell's invited the McDonald's to Yeah. Reconciliation
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  dinner.
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  And they all came together and then they, I don't know, maybe they locked the doors and they killed them all. The Campbells killed all the McDonald's.
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  It seems to be a very common theme of this, never trust anyone who is
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  welcoming
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  or because they're just there to kill you. You know, it's I don't know. Part of me feels like we're fed a story because I actually learned
• 2:13:05
  that there are two indigenous peoples in Europe.
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  One is called the Sami.
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  And the Sami, I don't know if you're familiar with this term, they are the reindeer herders that live in Finland or Russia
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  and
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  Sweden. So they are an indigenous people but in my studies over the last five or six years since my rude awakening, let's call it a rude awakening because I didn't sometimes I wish sort of
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  awakening. I was still sleeping
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  But actually there are the Germanics.
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  The Germanics. And the Germanics
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  are a tribe. So this is an indigenous people that has lost its identity.
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  And they are based in Germany
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  is sometimes I think that Germany was used
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  to be
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  a term that toxifies
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  anyone who relates to the Germanics
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  or the Teutonic.
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  Teutonic. Teutonic
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  Unknown: knights. Yeah. Yeah. No.
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  Unknown: No. The Teutonic Knights are one of the three orders of the Vatican.
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  That again,
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  I feel personally is a
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  distraction because you know there are the three orders of the night. The Holy Cross,
• 2:14:17
  the Teutonic Knights, and what's the third one? There's
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  another one. But these are the three orders of the Vatican that were designed to destroy
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  all the
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  nature,
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  history,
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  all of our authentic identities. You know, The UK,
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  they destroyed it in The UK, they destroyed it in Europe. We have Olaf, a Saint Olaf here in the North Of Sweden. So he's a saint.
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  Trondheim Trondheim in Norway, most people won't realize is the third most holy city for the Catholics after
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  Jerusalem and Santiago De Compostello.
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  Unknown: Now why would that that be?
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  Unknown: Why He Why was the guy who ran around with a Bible and a sword
• 2:15:02
  and he said to everyone, either you convert to Catholicism or I kill you. And he was very successful at it. They rotted out all of the old
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  traditional
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  belief systems focused on nature and self
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  and all this kind of stuff. He did it very well so he became a saint
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  like you do. Kill people become
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  sainted by God
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  seems lovely.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:15:30
  Well they've hijacked God and stuck it into church organizations and then pretend to represent God. It's all a bit
• 2:15:37
  I mean there's the thing about sort of unpeeling the stories is,
• 2:15:41
  and I I don't know the answers to this, but it's a thought that occurs quite often.
• 2:15:46
  You have the standard narrative that is drummed into you at school,
• 2:15:50
  although they don't even do that now. I don't think they even teach history much, but you get one,
• 2:15:54
  and then it's reflected in the films that Hollywood was making at the time, you know, whatever it might have been,
• 2:16:00
  and, it all gets compounded in your head, and you think you've got a worldview that's reasonably accurate. Later on, courtesy really of the Internet. So this is it's a good thing that the technology has done because we're we're talking about topics that realistically had we lived lived fifty, sixty years ago, we wouldn't have been I wouldn't have been able to talk about these things because I didn't have access to the material to actually think about it.
• 2:16:22
  It's always, you know, you're you're standing back and you're thinking this whole process of acquiring information and, I suppose, analyzing it. You don't think you're doing that, but you're sifting it all the time to try and determine what might be the truth of a situation. But I tend to think that as this period of the technological distribution of information has increased and amplified,
• 2:16:42
  it's like, what's what occurs is you get the standard story, then you get an you get the other view.
• 2:16:47
  And the other view is really the we how's it turned? The the the history of the so called losers.
• 2:16:54
  Suddenly, documents are available, and they were always available, you just didn't know them, and you have to hear it from the other side, and you hear it from the other side, and you go, oh, it's not quite what I thought it was. World War two is a case in point. You know? If you were at school,
• 2:17:07
  it was a certain way, and that was it. And, you know, I didn't have the brain capacity to even consider anything else at the time. I just went, well, my teacher wouldn't lie to me, and the teacher didn't even know he was lying to me. I mean, that's how bad these things get. But I think there's a tendency to keep counteracting the story. So the second story comes along, then someone goes, oh, I'm gonna come up with a third one, and then you end up questioning everything, and you end up sort of going into what's the word? Farm.
• 2:17:31
  It's a bit like a rabbit looking in the headlights. You're going, okay. Where does this end? How many more leaves do I have to unpeel? A bit like what we were talking about maybe half an hour ago. I I think broadly speaking, are some themes that do make sense to me. I think tribes are important. I think race is important,
• 2:17:49
  because if it weren't,
• 2:17:51
  wouldn't have all these different races down here, and I don't think that's just a process of evolution. I think there's some
• 2:17:57
  design behind it. I couldn't tell you what it is, but I look at it and I go it's like this, and I think that you were talking about
• 2:18:05
  anarchy in nature and but there are laws, those are the actual laws, the real ones, the ones that apply when you're a flesh and blood when you're in this flesh and blood vehicle,
• 2:18:15
  know, pouncing about throughout your life trying to figure it all out and I think that they you know, don't put your hand in the fire. Did you do it? Yes. I'm not, you know, it's like the harsh lessons you were talking about a rude awakening. That's why I said I think it's best. I think the rude awakenings are the ones that really work, to be quite honest. You need some kind of an alarm goes off and it's not comfortable
• 2:18:35
  and we've been trained to a great degree to live a very we've been brought into a very comfortable existence and I'm not against that, but it's got dangers. We're like birds in gilded cages and it shuts so much of the
• 2:18:47
  questioning ability that we've got. People sort of reduce the amount of questions that they're asking about things and I do think the question is the killer app.
• 2:18:56
  If you lose the habit of asking questions you begin to
• 2:19:00
  intellectually and spiritually atrophy. I just think you do and you must always be at least that's my command back to myself. I just I'm always using the word current currently my understanding is this but I do accept you might say something in the next ten minutes that might tip that up and I'm gonna have to go away for a few weeks and think it through and see how I fit that in and what I think about it. So that kind of process, it's quite a strong one.
• 2:19:23
  Unknown: I like what you're saying there because I do think that that is,
• 2:19:28
  that underpins
• 2:19:30
  sort of
• 2:19:31
  this thought of, you know, there's this thought that we are in a prison, right? And it's designed
• 2:19:38
  to keep us down.
• 2:19:40
  And your point about race
• 2:19:43
  and difference,
• 2:19:45
  think is very valid. You know, I love difference.
• 2:19:48
  Know, I think that's what uniqueness
• 2:19:50
  every human being is a unique concoction of
• 2:19:54
  race, history,
• 2:19:55
  legacy,
• 2:19:57
  education,
• 2:19:58
  circumstance,
• 2:19:59
  etcetera. You know, we are each a unique cocktail,
• 2:20:03
  but that cocktail is also designed to get you to
• 2:20:07
  keep yourself separate
• 2:20:09
  from other people. Right? I mean, at the moment in The UK, I think
• 2:20:13
  there's a big effort to polarize
• 2:20:17
  society
• 2:20:18
  against
• 2:20:18
  people
• 2:20:20
  of a Muslim origin.
• 2:20:22
  Don't get me wrong. The Sharia law so the Quran is one book. Sharia law is a completely different system, you know? So the essence of Islam is love
• 2:20:35
  and compassion,
• 2:20:36
  but Sharia law, which is created, it's a little bit like the Torah and what's it called, the Talmud
• 2:20:43
  in the Jewish faith. It's always the core
• 2:20:46
  document
• 2:20:47
  and then the interpretation.
• 2:20:49
  There's a real polarization to say that these people who are other
• 2:20:54
  are different. And don't get me wrong, some of the practices that we are seeing and that come out are unacceptable and they are disgusting.
• 2:21:02
  But I feel that
• 2:21:05
  it's again part of this question everything.
• 2:21:08
  Don't trust anyone.
• 2:21:09
  I had a good conversation with a guy. He had left Israel after the conflict started,
• 2:21:17
  and he used to have barbecues at the weekend with a guy across the fence who was Muslim.
• 2:21:22
  He's a Jew. So same story you hear from Yugoslavia before the conflict in the whatever it was in the nineties,
• 2:21:29
  where there was just really, really disgusting bloodshed.
• 2:21:33
  It always seems to be the same. You know? Differences are celebrated,
• 2:21:37
  and then at some point, someone
• 2:21:40
  craftily
• 2:21:41
  takes those differences and then turns it against us. Because if you believe in the Tower Of Babel, you know this story about the Tower Of Babel where humanity built this tower where they almost reached heaven and the gods,
• 2:21:53
  and then they smashed it, and then they spread the people across the world to speak different languages and look differently. Differently because if they ever came back together and actually loved each other and enjoyed
• 2:22:05
  each other's company
• 2:22:06
  they would be unstoppable.
• 2:22:10
  Unknown: But there's another way of looking at that and I wish I had the book in front. I've got a wonderful book about the Tower Of Babylon written by an
• 2:22:18
  English vicar, which you'd think oh my, it's very interesting.
• 2:22:22
  It's to do with implicit things. Just
• 2:22:25
  the whole I mean the Islamic thing is a cocktail of confusion in many ways because it was in my view, I'm gonna put it that way, but this is based on many things that I've read. It was created by the Talmudists.
• 2:22:36
  The whole purpose was to to get those people unified and so they'll use a controlled religion to do it, to slaughter
• 2:22:44
  the Talmudist's
• 2:22:45
  enemy as they perceive it whether this is right or wrong. Doesn't it's a bit like saying well that's not true, doesn't matter if it's true, they believe that
• 2:22:53
  and and they've all of their behavior is now in a line with that belief. You think you're gonna shake that out of their head in ten years, a thousand years? It won't happen because it's been going on so long. So you got to deal with the way it is. I mean, I like the idea on one level, there's a bit like the the whole of the world being in peace sounds great, but I don't think it's possible because I
• 2:23:14
  don't think it's a goal worth pursuing.
• 2:23:16
  I think that there are laws that
• 2:23:19
  actually exist,
• 2:23:20
  I mean, the Chinese believe that war is literally inevitable,
• 2:23:23
  and there are very sound sort of logical reasons for understanding why. Because you've got to some degree, you've got individuals and then tribes
• 2:23:31
  naturally want to exert their will. You go, why do they wanna do that? Well, I couldn't tell you why they wanna do it, but we all do. I mean, we're doing this show in part because we're looking if we can do it to extend our influence. Everybody's looking to have influence. I read a great thing about that the other day that influence cuts deeper than a knife, and it does. And and, of course, we're being influenced by these forces at the top that have got considerable
• 2:23:55
  resources,
• 2:23:56
  considerable
• 2:23:57
  to do just that. I mean, you know, the whole push like by the WF and all this thing on diversity,
• 2:24:03
  they're the complete enemies of that. That that diversity to me naturally occurs in the earth when people are kind of in their homelands where everything
• 2:24:12
  where they understand it in an instinctive and vibrational way that I I'm never gonna be an Eskimo. It's just it's not in this iteration. I'm not. I don't mean any harm to Eskimos, but I don't see what the point would be for me personally to spend time up there learning how to build igloos. It would be very silly of me to do that. I think it would be like rejecting what I have been given.
• 2:24:33
  Aside, I don't see too much sense in that, and I think that when they're saying, well, we're all gonna come together in love with love one another. I'm going examples
• 2:24:40
  of that ever happening in history. Please show me because I don't think that's what happens. They orchestrate it so that you get these conflicts, and that's what they want. They're gonna feed what's the common the term that's flying around? The louche.
• 2:24:52
  Unknown: They want they feed off the anxiety and the distress that they create. That's very gnostic. But again I think you're 100% right because I do think that humans need conflict.
• 2:25:03
  So I don't disagree. I don't necessarily think that we need to rape and pillage and shoot each other in the head and all this. No, I see.
• 2:25:12
  We need to disagree, right? Because that disagreement
• 2:25:15
  is a
• 2:25:16
  way that you get to grow, right?
• 2:25:20
  You know, I recently
• 2:25:23
  I'm divorced twice. My second relationship finished about two years ago. I'm one of these
• 2:25:29
  hopeless romantics. I thought that I would be married to the woman who bears
• 2:25:34
  my children forever.
• 2:25:37
  And I held on much longer than I probably should have, but it was serendipity
• 2:25:42
  led me to where I am now and I don't regret where I am.
• 2:25:47
  And
• 2:25:48
  I would do it again. But
• 2:25:50
  I realized that conflict
• 2:25:53
  is how you grow, right? You know, you think you're right and then you realize you're wrong and then you
• 2:26:00
  get new information and then you grow, right?
• 2:26:04
  Many people say that conflict is not a problem. So, you know, people who never fight,
• 2:26:10
  I would argue that they are limited because fighting and let's not say physical violence or domestic violence, I don't condone that, but you know disagreements. Disagreements. Yes. If you disagree,
• 2:26:21
  that's how you grow.
• 2:26:23
  And I try to teach my kids this all the time that it's about the repair,
• 2:26:28
  you know, that that's like the regeneration.
• 2:26:31
  So you have a disagreement
• 2:26:33
  or a conflict or an argument,
• 2:26:36
  you recognize,
• 2:26:38
  become
• 2:26:39
  aware that you were in the wrong or there was something lacking.
• 2:26:43
  You own that,
• 2:26:45
  then you
• 2:26:46
  repair with the other person, you know,
• 2:26:49
  I don't know, whatever it is, and you say, I'm sorry. And then you commit to change. And then that change is the growth, right? I do this with my kids all the time, you know. I don't know. Get
• 2:27:02
  upset. I try my best to tell them, look, you're pushing my buttons. Can we please stop this now? They keep going. I mean, I've got a 13 year old. He knows exactly what buttons to push. I lose my cool That's because I have his job. Who is that? He's he's completing your education or he's playing a major role in it. That's what it's like. It was what it was like for me. He ate my growth. And then I have to apologize to him and I say, look, dude, I'm super sorry, buddy. I I that was not my finest moments. I shouted at you or
• 2:27:33
  I said things that I regret, but look, this is what we're gonna do to do it better next time. And I guarantee you this will come up again. And if I get it wrong again, well, there's more room for growth. And I do think that we have this in society. Right? I mean, you know, we look at this all the time and I almost feel like it's by design. You know, your point that you made,
• 2:27:54
  which I call it an explanation,
• 2:27:56
  not a justification, you know,
• 2:27:58
  people who are of the Muslim face, they are born into it. They are taught from a young age that you should hate the infidels or whatever they call the nonbelievers
• 2:28:08
  who do not believe in Islam. If they do not believe in Islam, they are not human. So therefore you can treat them in a dehumanized
• 2:28:15
  way. You can rape, pillage, shoot, kill, whatever, because the only way is Allah, right? You know, we have the same way. We were talking about the Crusades earlier, right? You know, the only way is God
• 2:28:28
  and the Catholic Church in its exploitative,
• 2:28:31
  you know, I still love confession.
• 2:28:34
  How is this even possible, right? You go to see a guy who is sexually repressed because he's forbidden to have, you know, relations with a woman,
• 2:28:42
  I. E. A Catholic priest,
• 2:28:44
  you tell him all your deepest, darkest secrets, your infidelities,
• 2:28:48
  etcetera,
• 2:28:49
  and you expect that to go well,
• 2:28:51
  and you're not going to be exploited,
• 2:28:53
  Unknown: you know? I know. It's like is it it's in these details
• 2:28:58
  that you have to examine them. I I mean, I yeah. I think about this stuff a lot. Go. Why are people doing this?
• 2:29:04
  Or because we've always done it this way, but, know, that's not a particularly satisfying answer.
• 2:29:10
  Helpful, it doesn't help. It's like, I've mentioned it before, like congregations don't speak and I you know when I was younger and I was part of the last generation whose parents took them to church,
• 2:29:21
  I didn't know what was I liked all of the stories, you know, I like Goliath and all this kind of stuff. That was really cool. But the fact that only one guy got to speak and everybody else was there being all quiet and demure,
• 2:29:32
  I thought it was, you know, I I couldn't have iterated this to you at the time. I didn't have the sort language to even describe it, but my experience was this isn't right, and and I just remember everybody looking really rather pasty and weedy, and I thought this isn't
• 2:29:46
  I what's this about? Really? Seriously? And there's just a they've learned a lot of ancient control things
• 2:29:54
  about crowds,
• 2:29:55
  about how you organize them, how you keep them anxious so that they have to come back to you to be saved or something like that. It's not even worth going into, but I think there's also lots of good aspects to it if read right, and that's a big if. I think if it's
• 2:30:13
  a big if, and most people can't, you know, understandably, given the way that they're taught these things, and that goes for just about everything.
• 2:30:20
  You know, we had Charles on earlier talking about the law. We've mentioned it here repeatedly that at school,
• 2:30:25
  you're gonna leave and apparently get a job. Well, they won't they won't be having those sooner or whatever they're gonna have, but that used to be the way for quite a while. And you go out into the world, and they haven't taught you anything about the law or anything about how the banking system works, which is gonna be the these are the two most powerful forces that are gonna bear down on you for the rest of your life, and you don't know anything about them.
• 2:30:47
  Unknown: Well, and they're kind
• 2:30:49
  of completely made up, you know. I mean, I live here in the North Of Sweden. So I said I have a little I used to be a banker. I lived in London. I had the nice terrace house.
• 2:30:58
  I wasn't rich, but I was middle class, let's say. Gave it I all was able to move to the North Of Sweden to the middle of nowhere. I mean, literally chose the most remote
• 2:31:09
  place I could find.
• 2:31:11
  And then I suddenly find myself on a podcast
• 2:31:14
  on
• 2:31:15
  Food for Thought Radio talking to you, you know,
• 2:31:18
  there is no escape.
• 2:31:22
  But what is super cool is I have work awayers. So work away, I mean, if anyone wants to travel and not spend a lot of money, I recommend work away. I'm not getting, I don't get any commission from them or anything, but it's really cool system. So I've had about 25, 30 people
• 2:31:37
  visit me from all walks of life. Okay, okay, mostly European whites,
• 2:31:43
  but, you know, from all types of backgrounds, you know, really
• 2:31:46
  fun. And then they come up here and they live my life. So my life is very different from a banker's life. I don't look like a banker anymore.
• 2:31:56
  Unknown: Don't You do a
• 2:31:57
  don't have a waistcoat and a pocket watch. I don't have a waistcoat and pocket watch. You need to get one. You need to pounce around in Sweden like that. Great. I want one. I tell you. It would be I would definitely stand out. Even though I stand out at the moment anyway, because I'm a Wim Hof instructor and I run around in shorts until it's minus three. I saw that. I saw that when you did your ice bath thing in the middle of the film. That was very it's good. My son's got into it. We've got the Wim Hof book and I've seen him a bit and he's quite a lively mean, everything he says is sound. So I started taking cold showers and I did it for about two weeks. And then it's not that I I couldn't take them or anything, I just started thinking about something else. I I just forgot to do them. They weren't unpleasant. They are rather invigorating I must say, but I've
• 2:32:44
  not really kind of I didn't do it long enough for it to become a good habit And sometimes it has to be. Thing is, I think that routine is overrated.
• 2:32:52
  Unknown: I think we need to mix things up. So all I would say is just have a cold shower every couple of weeks. It doesn't matter. It's invigorating, right? You recognized it.
• 2:33:03
  The point is that I
• 2:33:06
  have realized
• 2:33:07
  that
• 2:33:08
  in German we have a saying. So I'm German and
• 2:33:12
  in German we say
• 2:33:14
  to live is
• 2:33:16
  or to experience is called but
• 2:33:20
  to live is called So
• 2:33:23
  the
• 2:33:24
  word experience
• 2:33:25
  has living within it.
• 2:33:28
  So I came to the conclusion as a little bit of my life philosophy
• 2:33:32
  that if you are not experiencing
• 2:33:34
  things, right? And there's no such thing as good experiences
• 2:33:37
  or bad experiences.
• 2:33:39
  There's just, are you a Netflix and Instagram consumer
• 2:33:44
  twenty four seven? Or are you doing things right? You know, go out and have coffee with your friends,
• 2:33:50
  go
• 2:33:51
  for a hike,
• 2:33:52
  write a poem.
• 2:33:54
  It doesn't matter what you're doing as long as you are doing something
• 2:33:57
  rather than being a digital consumer.
• 2:34:00
  Not to be wrong, you know, there is digital
• 2:34:03
  content can be consumed,
• 2:34:06
  but it shouldn't be your main like
• 2:34:08
  food,
• 2:34:10
  let's say, because then you'll end up just putting on a headset and just living in your
• 2:34:15
  dingy flat like Ready Player One or something like that. But
• 2:34:21
  you know, it's just do stuff. And you know, since I moved to the middle of nowhere,
• 2:34:26
  I so live in the middle of nowhere. Right? Said I'm, you know, shamelessly self promoting. I run a retreat business, and I invite any of your listeners who want to just have a different experience and a great time to come out. BeHuman Natural is the business that I run. But you know, I just do stuff, you know, I'm just on my way, you know, we're having this chat tonight because in a week's time, I'm going to Kathmandu
• 2:34:49
  to go hike
• 2:34:51
  Mount Kailash,
• 2:34:53
  it's called the Kailash Kailash Kailash. Okay. You know, six months ago, I didn't even know this thing existed. So I don't know if it was Instagram nudging me, the universe giving me a message. I don't know. But I'm going to do a 55 kilometer hike.
• 2:35:10
  Mount Kailash is the holy mountain of the Hindus,
• 2:35:15
  of the Buddhists, of the Jadis.
• 2:35:17
  I didn't know anything about these religions,
• 2:35:19
  but it came up and I just said, why not? You know,
• 2:35:23
  money is fake anyway, right? Good, we need it to operate in the matrix.
• 2:35:29
  But I came to the conclusion that
• 2:35:31
  stocks
• 2:35:32
  and shares,
• 2:35:34
  oh my God, if any of your listeners are in crypto,
• 2:35:37
  just be really mindful that crypto is fake, and there's this great new movie. No.
• 2:35:43
  Exactly.
• 2:35:45
  Unknown: Exactly. Really, really. There is one there is one crypto that I do a show with with a guy called Gary. And,
• 2:35:53
  one
• 2:35:54
  of the a couple of the points are we don't refer to it as money anymore
• 2:35:58
  because what we use is not money. It's currency, isn't it? It's like monopoly money controlled by
• 2:36:04
  controlled by the cartel. So, you know, I'm not trying to correct you because you're a banker, but it's obviously what we're spending is currency, promissory notes
• 2:36:12
  backed up by some vague thing, generally force. You know? You're going to prison if you don't pay that kind of crap, which is We were talking about wind earlier. Is it not just for is it not just backed up by hot air or wind? It is.
• 2:36:26
  Yeah. Yeah. We have a phrase of air called it's all piss and wind, which basically means there's nothing is good. There's no substance to a thing, and that's really what it is. But, of course, it's it's got a hold on everybody's behavioral habits and mind, and you accept a £5 note or a 10,000 krone
• 2:36:41
  note or whatever they've got up there,
• 2:36:43
  because you know that, you know, Lars down the road will take it off you. That's I mean, it's that sort of relay thing. Know, well, I'll take it because I know everybody else will. So we've become indoctrinated in that way,
• 2:36:54
  and it's a big deal. But I think that there's a possibility,
• 2:36:57
  and I banged on about it here, and I could be proven wrong. I don't mind.
• 2:37:01
  But the there is a crypto that might be of tremendous help to us, and it's not like any of the others, and,
• 2:37:07
  because I know that everybody gets into it, they speculate it's basically a big pyramid scheme, that's all it is. It's a Ponzi
• 2:37:14
  It's a Ponzi scheme, and, they've obviously used it to stress test their design of how they can maintain their control over currency.
• 2:37:21
  And most of them are currencies, but I think there's probably one that isn't, and it's a different sort of design. Anyway, we won't go into that because I've covered it before, but I think, know, maybe that's for another time when we get you on.
• 2:37:32
  Unknown: Indeed.
• 2:37:32
  Indeed. Yeah. But but but but what I was leading to is that I came to the conclusion that all of these money based wealth
• 2:37:41
  growth systems
• 2:37:43
  were
• 2:37:44
  lacking.
• 2:37:46
  So I ended up with my own
• 2:37:49
  three
• 2:37:50
  pillar
• 2:37:51
  wealth
• 2:37:52
  accumulation
• 2:37:53
  strategy.
• 2:37:54
  Unknown: Right. And
• 2:37:56
  Unknown: I didn't write a book. I didn't put it on Amazon. I didn't self publish it.
• 2:38:01
  But I will share it with you and your listeners for free.
• 2:38:05
  And my conclusion was that if you invest in these three pillars,
• 2:38:09
  you will have wealth beyond your wildest dreams.
• 2:38:14
  And these three pillars are,
• 2:38:16
  one is knowledge.
• 2:38:18
  So investing in knowledge, you know,
• 2:38:21
  I don't know, whatever knowledge, you know, just learning, learning, learning,
• 2:38:24
  one.
• 2:38:25
  The next one is experiences.
• 2:38:28
  So doing things. Go on that holiday to see the gates to hell in Kyrgyzstan or whatever that perpetual burning Pit is or
• 2:38:37
  the Pyramids or Machu Picchu or your grandmother or your
• 2:38:43
  high school buddy who lives in Western Australia and you've never visited, etcetera.
• 2:38:48
  So experiences.
• 2:38:50
  And then the third is productive
• 2:38:53
  assets.
• 2:38:54
  So these are things that you could use at any point to create
• 2:38:59
  energy or some kind of exchangeable
• 2:39:03
  thing. So that's like tools
• 2:39:06
  or, you know, that type of thing. Because if you have those three things,
• 2:39:11
  you know, it doesn't matter if they expropriate
• 2:39:14
  all of your bank accounts or the governments are all declared bankrupt and they just rage your,
• 2:39:20
  know, all your investment portfolios
• 2:39:23
  or all the shares go to zero because there's another financial crisis or they deem
• 2:39:28
  cryptocurrencies
• 2:39:29
  illegal
• 2:39:30
  and all of those wallets that you thought were anonymous
• 2:39:34
  but were somehow linked to your credit card suddenly become
• 2:39:37
  visible to the regulator.
• 2:39:40
  And that's the only way you can really be safe
• 2:39:43
  because if you place your reliance on anything else,
• 2:39:48
  the
• 2:39:49
  risk of being disappointed is really high. I mean, let's just look at The UK. I mean, what they're doing with national insurance,
• 2:39:55
  what they're doing with your electricity bills,
• 2:39:57
  you know, money is not safe.
• 2:39:59
  Know, they
• 2:40:01
  have 10,000,000 ways of,
• 2:40:03
  you know, pulling it out of
• 2:40:06
  Unknown: without you noticing. Yes.
• 2:40:08
  Unknown: Oh my god. And electricity, you know, that's the greatest. I love this electrification,
• 2:40:13
  Unknown: you know, obsession that we're all that's being forced upon all of us, you know, the electric power. Made a really good point in the film. Like, what's all this extra electricity for? I mean, the thought when you said that, as I was watching it, I thought, well, I just went control grid. They're building an a control grid,
• 2:40:30
  and, you know, part
• 2:40:32
  one component of it is electric cars, which are,
• 2:40:36
  I'm not a fan. Total BS. Total BS. I'm not a fan at all. And, you know, you see them lying their backsides off, and, of course, they get away with it because no one's allowed to ask the disruptive question.
• 2:40:49
  The disruptive questions are not witnessed by enough people in these conversation pieces at all because they're all on board with it because they're all getting paid. This is the problem you go oh I'm getting paid so I'm not you know subconsciously or whatever they never actually come up with wise questions. They're just clever dick answers, and and it's you just go, hang on. There's something missing here. Do we really need all this crap? We don't. We don't need it. I mean, most of it's just crap.
• 2:41:15
  Unknown: I I always say, you know, the last time I checked, you know, my my arsehole
• 2:41:20
  was an out hole. It's not like, you know, there's not like an an electricity cable that I need to plug in. Know? Humans Not yet. We don't.
• 2:41:29
  They'll probably find a way of getting one up there. Indeed. Indeed. But, you know, but watch this space. I'm doing a series of documentaries
• 2:41:37
  with
• 2:41:38
  an Estonian
• 2:41:39
  documentarian,
• 2:41:40
  and we're gonna talk about free speech and the fact that the lack of free speech
• 2:41:44
  is contributing to this, like just general acceptance, you know, because people just don't hear
• 2:41:51
  opposing stories, you know. I mean, I just had someone here. She was,
• 2:41:57
  she identified as being left. I don't identify as right or left. I think that's just a hilarious binary
• 2:42:03
  sort of,
• 2:42:05
  you know, confusion strategy,
• 2:42:07
  but she identified as left.
• 2:42:10
  You know, I was just like,
• 2:42:11
  well,
• 2:42:12
  why
• 2:42:14
  do you feel that way that left is the way to go? And, you know,
• 2:42:21
  she had some reasonable arguments, but in the end, we came to the conclusion
• 2:42:26
  or I came to the conclusion that,
• 2:42:29
  you know, it's just another one of these confusion tactics and electric cars is another confusion tactic. Do you wanna kill nature? Well, of course not. Well, then buy an electric car. Oh, really? It's that simple. I just buy this
• 2:42:42
  stupid electric car that tells me how to drive. You know, I love to drive. I live here in the middle of nowhere. Driving here is like Tokyo drifting
• 2:42:51
  or a rally car
• 2:42:53
  because it's really challenging. Know, in the middle of winter, the snow is high. We're on gravel roads. The distances are long. You know, I don't want a car to tell me every time I veer two second, two degrees to the left that I, you know, it rumbles.
• 2:43:09
  Or if my eyes divert
• 2:43:11
  to somewhere that suddenly it says, you know, this new law about all these cameras in the cars and things like that, you know, people just welcome these things.
• 2:43:21
  Unknown: I think
• 2:43:23
  told that
• 2:43:24
  they welcome them,
• 2:43:26
  but but because they're quiet, you can't find out that they're not welcoming them. People are being taught to stay quiet at the back of the class. It's really basic stuff.
• 2:43:36
  Yeah. It's more shouting is actually required.
• 2:43:40
  So that
• 2:43:41
  Unknown: something like that. Yeah. Eric? Yeah. But what about all the electromagnetism
• 2:43:45
  inside the car? I mean, that's not Oh, it's so great. It's this
• 2:43:50
  Unknown: entire, so I call it death by a thousand cuts
• 2:43:54
  and I also call it life by a thousand steps.
• 2:43:58
  So you know they have all these things. These electric cars are causing chronic inflammation
• 2:44:03
  through this EMF irradiation.
• 2:44:06
  I mean, it's like sitting in a microwave.
• 2:44:09
  I mean, remember when people used to put their cats in the microwave to dry them off when they were wet?
• 2:44:15
  Unknown: Know? Worked every time. It worked every time. And we
• 2:44:19
  Unknown: willingly
• 2:44:20
  sitting in these electric cars and microwaving ourselves like cats. And then suddenly we're like, my god, the incidence of cancer has gone through the roof. Oh, no, it's not the experimental
• 2:44:35
  jabby thing that might have happened. Oh no, it's not the sunscreen that we were told to slather on ourselves when the sun is actually a good thing. You know, it's so funny. I mean, that's why being awakened for me is so invigorating
• 2:44:50
  and fun, you know, because to be perfectly honest,
• 2:44:55
  once you
• 2:44:57
  remove
• 2:44:58
  the fear of death, right?
• 2:45:00
  And if I highly recommend your listeners or if you and to yourselves, if you ever want to watch a really fun movie, watch a movie called Soul.
• 2:45:09
  It's a pix have you ever heard of the movie Soul, a Pixar movie?
• 2:45:13
  Unknown: How's that spelled? S o u l? Like soul. Like soul. Right. Yeah. Like soul music.
• 2:45:19
  Unknown: It's such a fun movie. Again, you know, Hollywood and if you if you think that there is some funny business going on in the world, there are movies like soul that they just lift you up. You just watch this movie like, oh, that's super fun. Because in this movie, it's
• 2:45:37
  it you just don't need to be afraid of dying. Like, don't go out and, like, cheat yourself in the head or do stupid stuff or be not very nice, but don't be afraid to die. You know, don't don't take the extra chemotherapy
• 2:45:51
  that they say has a three percent chance of success, but it costs $100,000
• 2:45:56
  a month and you know, you're gonna have a hideous life. You know, don't don't worry about dying, just live a good life. And when you die,
• 2:46:06
  whatever will take care of you.
• 2:46:08
  And then you don't have to worry about this stuff. Because for me, this is the big fear factor.
• 2:46:15
  You know, we want to live forever,
• 2:46:17
  and we will sell our soul to the devil for an extra day.
• 2:46:23
  My
• 2:46:24
  father
• 2:46:25
  sadly has died ten years. I would love him to like be alive today and like give his impressions. I know exactly how you feel.
• 2:46:33
  Unknown: There's times my dad's no longer around and there's times every now and again I just wanna have a phone call with him and you can't and it's really irritating and I wish they came with a phone that called them wherever they are
• 2:46:43
  because you know I mean you you're right when people want to live forever I suspect more than suspect that we do.
• 2:46:50
  Otherwise, what's the point of all that? You know, you end up in these big questions. Like, Henry Ford
• 2:46:56
  said, we're down here gathering experience. He said, I can't tell you what it's for, but I know it's not wasted. And I quite like that. It's just a pragmatic way of approaching things because everybody that's lived before us is not here. Everybody that's alive will there'll be a day when we're not here, and there'll be other people who come after us, there'll be a day when they're not there, and it seems to me that it's always been like that. I know that the bad guys, they're they're very keen on living their phys in their physical bodies or moving their souls around whatever they think they might be,
• 2:47:25
  you know, all over the place. This transhumanism
• 2:47:28
  thing and all this kind of stuff you go, what are you banging on about you desperately sad fools? It's just ridiculous. I mean, to me is. I you know, why would you want that? I mean, what's the point? It's it's probably been sold to us very badly. It's like, okay. You're you're you're finishing earth school. It's over now. Don't worry. There's you'll have a break, and then something else is gonna happen. You didn't know what was gonna happen before you came here, did you? None of us did. Nobody could remember. Where was I before I turned up? I haven't a clue. You know? Maybe some people do have a clue, but I don't.
• 2:47:59
  Unknown: But you made a good point earlier about this louche, you know, and suffering
• 2:48:05
  and negativity.
• 2:48:07
  But, you know, I came up with the the thought that said that,
• 2:48:11
  you know, there's no such thing as good or bad.
• 2:48:16
  If
• 2:48:17
  you say thank you, or if you have a gratitude, I call it a gratitude gratitude, maybe I should trademark it. But if you have a gratitude attitude, so irrespective of what happens, and this is very difficult and I don't live this every day of my life myself,
• 2:48:32
  but every time something happens, if you say, if you just take a breath and being a Wim Hof instructor, I love breath work. I love the power of the breath.
• 2:48:40
  You just take a breath
• 2:48:42
  through the nose
• 2:48:44
  and just three seconds, and then you just say thank you.
• 2:48:48
  You know, you stub your toe,
• 2:48:52
  you have a fender bender, you have an argument, I don't care what the negative or what we deem to be negative experiences,
• 2:48:59
  or positive. And you just say thank you.
• 2:49:02
  You and you know that and you you need to intuitively know this for it to work. You need to know that nothing happens to you that isn't designed to make you better,
• 2:49:13
  take you forward,
• 2:49:15
  to grow you and to take you to a better place.
• 2:49:18
  And then nothing can like get in your way. You can turn on the TV and see the latest bullshit story from a politician cheating his expenses,
• 2:49:28
  doing something stupid, whatever, doesn't affect because
• 2:49:32
  you know that in your
• 2:49:34
  personal experience,
• 2:49:36
  you are going in the right direction.
• 2:49:39
  And then suddenly you take that, you know, you take that turn
• 2:49:44
  that takes longer to get home and you discover something new that you didn't.
• 2:49:49
  I mean, I would like to say that I like being me. You know? I hope you like being you, and I hope your listeners like being themselves. Sometimes.
• 2:49:59
  Unknown: Fair. When I'm when I'm not cocking things up, but but that's all part of it really. You know? At least you recognize that you've cocked things up. You go, it's alright. You know? It's just gonna happen from time to time. It always has. Own it. Right. You own it. Yeah. But but you know, the thing is I I have done some crazy shits
• 2:50:17
  Unknown: and I have had some crazy experiences and
• 2:50:20
  every time now. So I just recently went to Stockholm
• 2:50:24
  I didn't realize, but I met a celebrity.
• 2:50:28
  He might be a maybe he's an a maybe he's b list. But in Sweden, we have a very famous actor family called the Skorngords.
• 2:50:37
  Skorngords, anyone who watches Vikings
• 2:50:40
  or
• 2:50:42
  it was it. I think one of the bill was it
• 2:50:46
  in Stephen King's
• 2:50:48
  refilming
• 2:50:49
  of of It. So I met a celebrity and I was really humbled because I, a, I didn't know he was a celebrity, but I just randomly accepted
• 2:50:59
  an invitation to a really cool,
• 2:51:02
  launch of a,
• 2:51:04
  there's some people trying to fight the system on the international
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  basis
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  and really cool people. And I met a lovely woman called Helen Norangord.
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  She's also Swedish, but she lives in The UK and in Australia and she's all about local
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  networks.
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  Think her
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  UK base is in Devon,
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  but she's all about buy from local farmers,
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  you know, know the person who produced the product that you're buying,
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  make a personal relationship
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  out of something that you're purchasing.
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  So you just create so much more layers of
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  things, and you don't just buy from Amazon all day long and dehumanize
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  and child labor and all that kind of crazy stuff. Yeah.
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  And I just thought, wow, how,
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  you know, what makes me so special? You know, and I'm not special. Came
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  to the conclusion that we're all special.
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  Unknown: Exactly.
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  Unknown: Special in a slightly retarded kind
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  of way, right? Yeah, yeah. We're all slightly retarded. And no offense to anyone who's disabled, right? Retarded is just we are not
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  fully
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  our potential.
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  Unknown: We are, yeah, because you know I know it's a bugger isn't it? It's a bugger that. I I mean, you know, you sort of I used to think this thing when I was younger, why don't I know everything now?
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  What's the point? Why can't I just know everything and then just act right all the time? But, of course, you can't. So you have to just You can It is the way that it is. It may you know, one thought that follows on from that for me has always been, okay. Well, maybe we are very infant souls for want of a better word or beings,
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  and we're down here in kindergarten,
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  and it's tough at times. It is. You know? The thing I I do like the the gratitude attitude because I think it's true. I've I've had things happen over the past few years, and I I hit a point of just
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  thanking,
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  giving thanks
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  for the fact that I'm alive in a way, and it it reminds you how spectacular it is to be alive. I mean, if you watch the news all the time, you probably don't think that because you get indoctrinated into this just the absorption of the puke Yeah. Of the world Yeah. Because that's all it wants to put into your head. But it doesn't have to be that way and now I think if you sometimes remind yourself of that carefree joyous attitude you had when you were 14 before you knew how bad it was all gonna get and just go I can go and tap back into that and every now and again it's exhilarating. It really is. It's good. It's available to everyone I suspect.
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  Unknown: Most of us anyway. But what about the psychopaths of this world? Because
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  a big problem is government as I see it because more people are being killed by
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  their own governments than all the wars put together.
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  And governments
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  attract
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  psychopaths like bees around a honeypot and there is something weird about MPs there's something very very strange about them No agreed agreed but I think that they are part of the
• 2:54:02
  Unknown: part of the script of the system
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  you know they are But they're demonic.
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  And don't without that have you seen they
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  live?
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  So there's a movie called they live from '19 Yeah it's the one where they wear sunglasses Eric. You've never seen it? Yeah
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  I know one yeah. And I kind of feel that MPs,
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  because I had a lot of dealings with politicians
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  here in Sweden,
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  I actually stood for local elections myself.
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  There were election irregularities
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  that I challenged and my request
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  to review
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  the election ballots was denied.
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  And I was like, that's super weird. I'm not even allowed to count my own ballots.
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  But I think it's just part of the theater.
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  And so MPs
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  are
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  scripted
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  actors,
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  I think, or they're so stupid that they are puppets.
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  And they're designed to enrage
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  Unknown: and frustrate you. So I They do a very good job, don't they? Very good. Very good. Very good at that. Well done, lads and lasses. Yeah. Exactly.
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  Unknown: So the best thing you can do is just feel sympathy
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  and say, well, I'm glad I'm not you because you know, this ridiculousness
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  that
• 2:55:17
  they live,
• 2:55:18
  you know, mean, could if we think that the system is somehow satanic or demonic, you use the word demonic,
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  you know, when when the demon comes to claim his
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  soul or his price,
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  you know, I wouldn't trade with those politicians
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  and, you know, the the things that they do. And don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are some good politicians or some well meaning politicians.
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  But I do think that the system or is stacked against them and that ultimately,
• 2:55:47
  have to make a choice. And if they make the right choice, they get thrown out of government. And if they decide to be complicit,
• 2:55:55
  you know, they become like Boris Johnson, you know, the buffoon that everyone
• 2:56:00
  kind of hates and loves. And
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  if people
• 2:56:07
  like
• 2:56:08
  were,
• 2:56:11
  I don't know, I'm not impressed, but you know, Boris Johnson during the COVID crisis,
• 2:56:16
  you know, that crazy time,
• 2:56:18
  There was a guy his name is called Brother Panic. He's a is he a professor? I don't know. But there's a guy Brother Panic, you can look him up on YouTube. He does some great videos. Some of them are a bit ghetto, but you got to look past the race and past the ghettoness.
• 2:56:32
  But he gives you the
• 2:56:34
  the system that they used during COVID to program the subconscious mind.
• 2:56:40
  And it is genius. You know, he said you start with shock.
• 2:56:43
  So you shock someone. And if you remember all of the COVID
• 2:56:47
  presentations
• 2:56:48
  from the UK government, you know, there was always a shock, a statistic,
• 2:56:53
  or you're all gonna die.
• 2:56:55
  So you start with shock,
• 2:56:57
  and then you have symbolism and repetition. And if you remember the podiums,
• 2:57:02
  there were those symbols. I there were always three.
• 2:57:05
  I forget what it was. Maybe it was wash your hands, mask
• 2:57:08
  Unknown: Oh. Something else.
• 2:57:10
  Wash your hands, you dirty boy. Alec, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I'm just letting you know we got we got about forty seconds to the outro music playing. We can talk a little bit over that, but we're we're down to our last just under two minutes to go. So Amazing. I just wondered if there's anything that you wanted to sort of sum up with or direct anybody to or anything like that. Well, I would
• 2:57:30
  Unknown: sounds good I would say if you would love to hear more about what I'm doing and what I do look me up on behumannatural.com
• 2:57:38
  Unknown: come out and that again slowly say that again slowly on where? Behumannatural.com
• 2:57:46
  Great. Okay. Be Human Natural.
• 2:57:49
  Unknown: Exactly. I would love to meet some of the listeners,
• 2:57:51
  and, also, I would love to see you guys again.
• 2:57:55
  Unknown: They're terrible people. Oh, yeah. You would. Surprise. You would be surprised.
• 2:58:00
  They're really good. They're fantastic.
• 2:58:02
  Hey. The time is time. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for your time. I've really enjoyed it too. It's been a very different sort of shelf around here. It's been brilliant. And thank you to the person that arranged all this.
• 2:58:12
  Great. No. It's been really good. Fantastic. And Well, that's the surface. Let's scratch it again.
• 2:58:19
  Yeah. Maybe we'll see you again after you've been on your hike at some point later in the year. That would be wonderful. So Would love a cracking hike,
• 2:58:27
  and keep on keeping on. It's been great talking to you, Alex. Loved it. Really good. So grateful and keep smiling and keep inspiring.
• 2:58:34
  Fantastic.
• 2:58:35
  Well, that's it for this week, everybody. You can all get your cocoa made and everything. We'll be back same time next week.
• 2:58:42
  I'll let you know what. I think we've got some good guests lined up for next week. Monica's back next week. It's the last Thursday. She's on for the last hour, and I might have a couple of other ladies. It's gonna be all ladies next week, Eric. So there we go. Oh, actually.
• 2:58:54
  Yeah.
• 2:58:55
  We love the ladies. We'll see you all next week. Have a cracking time, everyone. Bye for now. Bye bye.
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  Unknown: Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide. You're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 2:59:20
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.