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  But giving offense is good. In fact, it's essential.
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  All righty, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's
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  Monday edition of the Whitfield Report.
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  I am host Sam Field and joining me today is Mr. Andrew G Nelson,
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  who has been on this program before.
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  It's been a while. Andrew is a retired NYPD
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  Sergeant, great guy. I've known him for a couple
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  years, I think 3 now in the in the author community.
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  He is the author of multiple series, including the James
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  McGuire NYPD Police Detective series, which I highly
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  recommend. In his experience as an NYPD
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  officer, I think really lends authenticity to his thrillers in
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  a way that not a lot of other police thrillers do.
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  And he's just right, guys. So Andrew, welcome to the show
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  once again. How are you, Sir?
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  I'm doing good. Thanks for having me on Sam.
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  No problem. Thanks for coming on again.
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  So I wanted to start off just with your general background.
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  You're a native New Yorker, as I understand it.
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  And so it was your background growing up.
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  And then what motivated you to join the NYPD in the first
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  place? They said I'm a native New
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  Yorker, was born and raised in New York City, and I always
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  wanted to be a NYPD officer from the time when I was a young kid.
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  And so it was just a matter of waiting until I was old enough
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  to, you know, become eligible for it.
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  And I joined the NYPD in 1985, and I retired in 2005.
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  So was there like a family member or like a a friend or
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  like close relatives that motivated you to, you know, get
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  into the police Academy or was it just something you pursued on
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  your own? Actually, there were no family
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  members that were in the NYPD, but my grandfather was a foreman
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  for a trucking company. And back in the 70s, there were
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  New York City was going through some financially hard times and
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  cops were getting laid off. And my grandfather actually had
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  gotten a bunch of cops from the local precinct jobs working for
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  the trucking company. And so they became really good
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  friends, and I grew up around, and there was just something
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  about those cops back then that just, you know, appeal to me.
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  And so that's the path that I took.
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  Interesting. So and I'm sure the process has
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  changed since you've been in and since you've retired, but how,
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  what is the I guess career track like or what?
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  What was yours personally? How did, how does 1 you know,
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  ascend through the ranks as you did?
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  Because I imagine you started out as an officer, but then you
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  ended up in the Intel, which I find interesting.
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  So what was that whole process like?
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  The NYPD is interesting because it has its first of all, it's so
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  big. It's the largest Police
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  Department in the United States. And because of that, it's
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  basically a self-contained department.
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  We have access to just about anything and everything you
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  could possibly want from, you know, aviation to emergency
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  service to scuba to harbor. So it's really a very diverse
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  agency. So when you come in, once
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  you've, you know, joined the department and done your
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  probation and gone out to a patrol precinct, pretty much the
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  Sky's the limit depending on what path you want to go.
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  So if you want to go detective, if you want to go specialized
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  unit, there's a lot of opportunities there.
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  And then of course, you know, you can, you know, take tests to
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  further your career and move up the ranks.
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  There's a lot of lot of diversity.
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  Interesting. So you decided to go with the
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  Intel unit? Was there anything that attract
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  or I should say what attracted you to that unit specifically or
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  was it like, hey, we need we need Ben over here and we think
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  you would be good for this position?
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  Actually, it wasn't something that I'd even considered before
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  I was working in a unit. And, you know, like everything
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  else, when you're, you know, in your career doing your job,
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  eventually you start to suffer some type of burnout from it.
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  And you start wondering, you know, you know, is there
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  something else that I could do? And I had a Lieutenant at the
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  time that I worked for, and he was the one that actually
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  recommended for me to go over there.
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  And he had actually worked in the intelligence division
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  earlier and knew some people there and made some phone calls
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  for me. And that's how I actually wound
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  up there. Interesting.
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  So what was, what was your, I guess, role in the intelligence
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  division? Because from what I've read, I
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  know that the intelligence division covers a pretty wide
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  swath, everything from organized crime and whatnot, which is I
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  think what most people, when they think of it, kind of think
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  of. But then there's also everything
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  from security to like, literally counterterrorism.
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  When I was in the intelligence division back in the 90s,
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  basically there were several components to it.
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  Obviously you said one of them was the organized crime and that
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  right after I got there, probably within like a year or
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  two, there was a restructuring in the department and they moved
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  the organized crime element out of it.
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  But my primary responsibility was doing investigations for
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  different agencies outside of New York, whether it was
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  Interpol or organized crime organizations, because we still
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  maintained A tremendous amount of records.
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  We also had dignitary protection units, both municipal as well as
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  public security. And so you have like municipal
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  security, which was city officials, the mayor, certain
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  people on City Council. Then you had public security,
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  which did all the visiting and foreign dignitaries.
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  And so if the president was coming into town, Vice President
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  visiting foreign heads of state for the UN and whatnot, we would
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  provide protection there. Yeah, well, a couple of times
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  that I've been to New York, I've coincidentally also been there
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  during the big, you know, UN conference.
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  They haven't. And I'm, I'm sure that those
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  jobs are always, you know, fun for you.
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  And I say that, you know, with like heavy sarcasm because the
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  officers I've I've seen, they look, you know, perpetually like
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  on edge and stressed out just trying to, you know, direct
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  traffic through that busy, you know, section there.
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  Yeah, Well, the uniform guys that are on traffic control,
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  I've, I've done that. I did that earlier in my career.
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  And it can be extremely hectic because New Yorkers want to go
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  where they want to go. And unfortunately, when the
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  president or, you know, a head of state is moving, you really
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  can't go where you want to go. So there's a lot of a lot of
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  anger or frustration. So I was that glad I didn't have
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  to do that. I usually rode motorcades.
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  Yeah. And then I'm sure too, also
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  dealing with, you know, Taurus and all that, you know, in in
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  New York as a cop that that always had to be interesting
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  too, I would imagine. So yeah.
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  And so since you were on, you know, the security detail, I
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  mean, were there any particular like memorable standouts for
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  you? Well, what are you on that job?
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  It's very interesting because you know, most people are
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  accustomed to either, you know, being an event where they're
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  watching the dignitaries, whether it be at a social event
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  or on TV and you're actually there in the middle of it.
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  And so it's like being inside the fishbowl.
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  And it's it's a very unique way to see things because you're
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  Privy to a lot of stuff that most people are never going to
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  see behind the scenes. Sure.
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  So there's, there's, you know, there's a lot of interesting
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  moments, some things you can talk about, some things you
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  can't talk about. Sure.
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  And dealing with the a lot of different threat levels.
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  One of the last I was responsible after I got and
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  promoted to Sergeant, I'd gone back to the UN General Assembly
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  and that was the year I was basically responsible for doing
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  the advance on Clinton, Arafat, Netanyahu.
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  So when you want to talk about 3, the ultimately 3 highest, you
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  know, threat protection details and I, I don't think I slept for
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  that entire week that we were doing it.
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  So right. There's a different type of
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  stress when you're dealing with something like that.
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  Yeah. And I would also imagine you
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  mentioned that that was, you know, during the Clinton
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  administration. So that was pre 911, you know,
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  too, and I haven't picked it up, but you actually wrote a book
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  about your experience, your experiences on 9/11 and kind of
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  the aftermath as I, as I understand this, if you're OK
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  with it, what were your kind of experiences leading up to 911
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  and then, you know, on that day and kind of the, the aftermath?
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  OK, so the title of the book is called Where was God?
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  And it basically revolved around from getting asked that
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  question, you know, from people when you did talk about 911,
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  obviously it was, you know, truly tragic day.
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  And it basically the, the book talks a little bit about me and
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  my, you know, my, my path towards, you know, joining the
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  NYPD and then what happened on 9/11 and afterwards.
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  And it made me, you know, because a lot of there's
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  everybody has a story, you know, where they were on 9/11, what
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  they were doing. And I realize because I'm not
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  here in the Midwest now. And I would go and I would do
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  talks. And you, it's very interesting
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  to me because we had lived it first hand, right?
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  But then you, you talk to people outside of the, the New York
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  metropolitan area and they also had this, this vested interest
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  in it. They know where they were, what
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  they were doing, you know, and so, but there was this interest
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  in talking to somebody who was there.
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  And so it's not a topic that, you know, you don't want to talk
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  about it. It's it's.
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  Sure. Difficult on that level, but you
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  still feel like you almost have a responsibility to talk about
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  it because we lost so many people on 9/11 just in just
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  talking from the NYPD perspective.
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  We lost 23 of our offices on that day, but we've also lost
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  hundreds since then through, you know, the the diseases, the
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  illnesses that we contracted. Yeah, down there.
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  And then, you know, the thousands that are sick even to
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  this day because of all the stuff that we ingested in there.
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  Yeah. So it was as I was writing the
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  book, you know, I, I had lost friends that I knew my partner
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  ended up dying from cancer. And so it hits home and you and
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  you find yourself asking the question, well, where was God
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  and where the book turned out? I was supposed to be like a
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  recollect or a recollection of 911 and the events and
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  everything and whatnot as I was writing the book, because there
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  was a, there was a lot of anger and the question kept popping up
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  of, well, if we're going to ask where was God, we basically we
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  have to answer the question, is there a God?
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  You know, right. And so it actually moved into
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  the realm of almost like a cold case investigation to look at
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  because if, if God allows this to happen, what has God allowed
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  in the past? And you look at what Jesus went
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  through coming into this world and what he endured for our
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  sins. And you start looking at it and,
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  and realize that it's, it wasn't a question of where was God?
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  Because in the book, it recounts a lot of lot of different
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  things, a lot of events that happened to individual people of
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  how they weren't at the towers when they were either struck or
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  they came down. So God was moving throughout it.
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  All right. But it turns back to us and what
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  we have allowed to come into this world and what it's not God
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  doing it. If I mean, and I've I pose the
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  question to people all the time, if we SIM, even if you don't
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  believe in God, if you don't believe in Jesus, if all of us
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  just simply followed what is written in the Bible in red, we
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  would have heaven on earth. But yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah. And I mean, you know, you and I,
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  I mean, I'm a Christian. I know you're a Christian.
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  I mean, even Christ in his moment of doubt did say, you
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  know, why, Lord, why has thou forsaken me?
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  So even he had, you know, a moment of doubt.
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  I think it's what's interesting for me because I was a kid when
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  1111 happened, but I was old enough to stone, you know,
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  remember where I was at and kind of the the aftermath, you know,
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  just watching it kind of on live television.
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  And that's what spurred my interest in interest in politics
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  increments ultimately. But now there's an entire
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  generation of adults that wasn't even alive yet.
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  They they weren't born when 911 happened, which is wild to me.
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  And I'm sure it's even more wild to you.
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  It is, yeah. The reason and the reason why I
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  bring that up is I, I, I don't, I think there's a lot of people
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  now who they don't necessarily understand the gravity of
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  something as tragic as 911. I would, I don't want to insert,
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  you know, any thoughts or words into your mouth, but I think a
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  lot of what's going on today is just kind of this disregard for
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  tragedy because we've been so desensitized to it through
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  social media now and whatnot. Yeah, we, we definitely have.
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  And you're seeing this play out of and it's getting worse.
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  It's getting progressively worse.
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  Social media has pushed everything to the forefront.
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  And I always go back to, you know, the news changed during
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  the first Gulf War. We, we went into this, now you
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  know, 24. Yeah.
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  Back then, and it's in many ways it's too much and you get this
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  almost this knee jerk reaction. Everybody is always pushing to
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  be first and what you find is first comes before facts.
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  And I, I would say it's even been amplified a bit because I,
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  I remember like, you know, in, in 2001, there was the Internet,
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  but there wasn't social media. And so you could check websites,
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  but you, you know, you would maybe refresh them every, they
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  would only be refreshed, you know, every few hours or
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  something like that. Now there's, you know, to the
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  minute, you know, news updates and sometimes even even to the
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  second. It's wild how things have
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  changed. And I'm not sure that that's
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  Nestle, you know, always for the best as far as, you know,
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  information consumption. It's not.
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  And the sad thing to me is we, we find ourselves consuming it
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  to the point that it impacts our lives, you know, yeah, obviously
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  I'm older than you. I remember basically when you
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  had, you know, 2 periods of news, you had news at around
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  dinnertime, maybe a little bit after five, 6:00 and then you
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  had like 10 and 11:00 and that was it.
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  There was no other news in the in in the interim.
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  And So what you found was that if there was an event that
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  happened at 5 or during the day, they would report it to you and
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  you would get that little brief clip of this happened.
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  And then they would follow up with it, you know, ten 11:00.
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  But by then they'd been able to Get the facts out, or at least,
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  you know, start to develop what had happened here.
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  Everybody is pushing for it so quick that the facts don't
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  matter. You know that.
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  We'll, we'll get to them, you know, in 5 minutes.
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  Right. But in that 5 minutes you can
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  spur attention, either positive or negative, and if you get
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  people inflamed about something then you have to go back later
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  on and retract it. Well, the damage is already done
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  and it's hurting us. You know, from a, you know, a
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  social perspective and I don't honestly know that how we are
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  ever going to recover. Well, that kind of brings us
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  into a Segway too, because you're, you know, you've written
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  a new book, Exposed King, which kind of seems to cover, at least
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  from my understanding, some of that ground in regards to all
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  this chaos you have. You have the overall James
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  McGuire series. How did you come up with that
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  character? James McGuire Yeah, very
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  interesting. And, and I'll keep it quick.
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  But the whole story, I mean, my foray into writing basically
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  started almost as a bet because my wife and I were both readers
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  and we were talking one day and she had said something to the
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  extent of it must be, you know, hard to write a book.
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  Well, I've been a detective and a supervisory investigator.
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  And so when you spend all your time, you know, basically
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  writing reports or reviewing reports, you kind of go, no, not
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  really because, yeah, you're just changing the details.
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  So she challenged me to do it. I created, you know, a couple of
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  chapters, and she loved it. And I was kind of like, yeah,
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  OK, whatever. Then 9/11 happened.
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  Everything, you know, gets put on hold.
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  I end up working, retiring. And I got bored.
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  And she was like, well, why don't you start writing again?
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  And so I did, grudgingly. And I found that I actually
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  enjoyed it. So the character James McGuire
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  came about through that. Interesting.
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  So, and when he starts off in the series, he's a, he's a
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  detective. He's retired detective yet.
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  He's a retired detective, so and then now in the series, he's
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  he's police commissioner net. Yeah, he's had a very
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  interesting career path. Yeah.
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  So I guess what was the motivation specifically with
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  Exposed King to write that book from his perspective to?
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  Expose King has taken basically six years, almost six years to
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  come to fruition. And being a writer yourself, you
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  know, as you're writing a book, you're always thinking ahead.
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  As you're acting up the story in the back of your mind, you're
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  going, OK, well, if I do this, then I have to plan, you know,
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  going forward that I'm going to do that.
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  Well, I finished Glass Castle, And so as the creator of this
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  world, I know where my characters are going.
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  But at the end of Glass Castle, there's a little bit of activity
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  that makes you wonder what's going on.
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  And it was kind of like, you know, just a little teaser.
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  So I knew where ultimately the book is going and for what would
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  come to be exposed King. I began to brainstorm of how to
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  make that transition. Now this is back.
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  You know, Trump is in office his first time around.
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  And one of the things is when I was in the intelligence
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  division, we'd like I said we did protection of pretty much
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  everybody. Yeah.
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  And so you saw them basically behind the scenes, and this may
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  come as a shock to some of the viewers out there, but they get
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  along, or at least they did. Yeah.
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  What you see on TV where you'll have, you know, a Republican
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  will be saying this and then the Democrat says this, and they
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  sound like they're against each other, but behind closed doors,
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  they're friends. Oh yeah.
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  And so I saw what was going on with Trump and I saw all the
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  push back. And it, it was concerning to me
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  because you can have philosophical differences, you
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  know, as far as, you know, political decisions.
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  But I also saw Trump back then and saw all of the people that
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  used to fawn over him. Yeah.
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  And so it was kind of like, how do I, how do I, you know,
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  rectify this in my head? You're, you're, you're calling
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  him all of these things, but you used to sit next to him and
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  laugh. What changed that started my
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  brain going of what is this progression?
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  Can this get worse? And it started down this path
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  that unfortunately you had the George Floyd incident.
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  And I started seeing all of these things begin to
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  materialize as I'm doing this outline for this book.
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  And it was just, it was a constant me asking what if it
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  happens? What if?
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  And as this story began to unfold it, it became almost
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  cautionary of where we're unlocking something that right
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  now is 1 sided. And you're seeing this play out
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  and I almost don't like to talk about it because Exposed King
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  basically goes to the point of saying, what if the other side
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  retaliates? Yeah.
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  And we go down the path of, for lack of a better word, vigilante
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  justice. And you start to realize that
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  you've got people in political power that are saying things to
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  push an agenda, to create a narrative.
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  But what if the other side says we're done?
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  Yeah. Well, that's something that and
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  I I'm completely I'm completely with you on that because from my
• 26:24
  perspective, I mean, I'm not not a journalist necessarily in the,
• 26:29
  you know, traditional media spear, but like I, I have been
• 26:34
  an independent journalist for a long time now, you know, and
• 26:38
  I've been in commentary and one of the things that has
• 26:42
  frightened me is there's always been kind the one, you know,
• 26:48
  friend side on the left that has always, you know, shot their
• 26:54
  mouths off and instigated, you know, chaos and whatnot.
• 26:58
  But now you also have this equally fringe, you know, these
• 27:05
  fringe people on the right who also like to stir up trouble.
• 27:10
  And you know, I would, I would consider myself pretty.
• 27:15
  I would say I'm conservative ish, like more libertarian.
• 27:20
  Some people might say I'm far right, but you know, compared to
• 27:22
  some people out there, I don't think I am.
• 27:25
  And yet it's, it's, it's wild for me always to see these
• 27:29
  people who, like you said, are now like, well, if Antifa is
• 27:34
  bad, then we need to do the, you know, the exact thing they're
• 27:38
  doing in fighting fire with fire.
• 27:39
  And I think that's a really dangerous mentality that we're
• 27:44
  going towards. It is and I that's the point
• 27:48
  that I don't think people understand.
• 27:49
  And it's like, you're entitled to your opinion.
• 27:53
  Everybody has the right to feel whichever way they want.
• 27:57
  But I wrote an article on X last week and basically it talked
• 28:03
  about people being used as pawns.
• 28:05
  Yeah. And this is the danger because,
• 28:10
  like I said, having been behind the scenes, you know, and I'm
• 28:14
  talking about behind the scenes with, you know, presidents, you.
• 28:19
  Know. House, you know, majority
• 28:22
  minority Senate Majority minority leaders, the move is in
• 28:27
  the shake is in the political world and seeing it first hand
• 28:32
  and seeing they don't believe this.
• 28:36
  And I again, I preface it that you know, my, my interactions,
• 28:39
  you know, 30 years ago, but I don't believe that politics
• 28:44
  really changes. You know what we said, you know,
• 28:47
  it, it, it's a nice club and you're not a member of it.
• 28:50
  And so when you question yourself, well, why don't these,
• 28:53
  there's no reason for them to change.
• 28:56
  Everything has been working the way it's supposed to work for
• 28:58
  them. They stay in power.
• 28:59
  They, they, they wind up doing good for themselves.
• 29:03
  And you keep them there. If they can sow seeds of
• 29:06
  dissension among people, then you will keep voting for them.
• 29:10
  And so I'm watching these people, these these people who
• 29:15
  are supposed to be the adults in the room, you know, the, the,
• 29:18
  the politicians that are not acting like adults.
• 29:23
  They're acting like awesomeness. They're throwing gas on flames.
• 29:28
  And it's almost like, you know, we saw the shooting with Renee
• 29:33
  Goode. It's a tragedy no matter which
• 29:37
  way you look at it. That woman should not be dead,
• 29:42
  but she made choices that led to that.
• 29:47
  And why did she do that? Because somebody was pushing
• 29:52
  those buttons and that person has no qualms about what they're
• 29:58
  doing. Right.
• 30:00
  The other thing I think the people are are missing I I kind
• 30:03
  of brought this up on the on the live show this past week is just
• 30:07
  because people are pay are paid activists doesn't mean that
• 30:11
  they're not true believers. There are a lot of true
• 30:13
  believers who are who are also paid activists, but I don't I
• 30:18
  don't necessarily think that they realize that that their
• 30:21
  pawns on people's if. If if you're being paid to go
• 30:28
  out there now that you're right, you may have a heart and a mind
• 30:33
  for the court. Yeah.
• 30:36
  And you're getting paid, which is kind of like a win win.
• 30:38
  You believe in it and you're making money off it.
• 30:41
  But at the same time, that doesn't mean that you're not
• 30:44
  being put into harm's way by somebody else that has an
• 30:49
  agenda. And I'm sorry.
• 30:52
  And one of the things that bothers me is the fact that
• 30:55
  people don't understand. You may not, let's say, say for
• 30:59
  argument's sake, you don't like what's going on in Minnesota.
• 31:01
  You don't like the the immigration enforcement or
• 31:04
  whatever. You have to realize that whether
• 31:09
  you like what's being done or not, ICE has a responsibility to
• 31:16
  perform the job that they take an oath for.
• 31:21
  They're law enforcement. ICE falls under the executive
• 31:24
  branch. They're the enforcement branch
• 31:27
  that handles immigration, the legislative branch, which are
• 31:32
  your politicians, your congressman, your your senators.
• 31:37
  They're the ones that write the laws.
• 31:39
  You're protesting out in the street based on what your
• 31:44
  representatives are telling you to do.
• 31:48
  They're vilifying ICE. They're saying we're not going
• 31:50
  to fund them. Your politicians are the ones
• 31:54
  that write the laws. If you have a problem with it,
• 31:57
  you should be marching on Washington.
• 31:59
  And I'm not sure why people don't seem to get this.
• 32:03
  Don't. Don't protest.
• 32:05
  If you want to go and protest the court, fine.
• 32:08
  Go protest the court. Don't protest operations out in
• 32:11
  the street. You're creating a very dangerous
• 32:14
  and potentially deadly situation.
• 32:17
  Go protest where it matters. Go tell your politicians what to
• 32:20
  do. Change the laws if you don't
• 32:22
  believe them. Well, I think I think the other
• 32:24
  thing that people don't understand, and this is also
• 32:28
  scary is all this misinformation going on.
• 32:33
  But, you know, if you if you look on, you know, social media
• 32:38
  that there is now this kind of pervasive and I don't even know
• 32:44
  how it started. There's this idea that Donald
• 32:46
  Trump is the one who started ICE.
• 32:49
  That's not true. ICE has been around, you know,
• 32:52
  I, I believe since since like the the light, you know, he's
• 32:59
  early. He's the last time I check and I
• 33:03
  and I could even be wrong on that, but the the point being
• 33:05
  it, it's not, it's not slayed Trump's, you know, creation.
• 33:10
  And so for, and so for people to say that, well, we need to, you
• 33:16
  know, we need to abolish ICE and you know, to, in order to foil
• 33:23
  the bad orange man, it's like, well, that's not going to, you
• 33:28
  know, really fixing anything Also like ICE does.
• 33:34
  ICE has multiple, you know, things that they do besides just
• 33:38
  the the immigration stuff and whatnot too.
• 33:43
  It actually used to be two agencies.
• 33:45
  It used to be immigration, Naturalization Service, and it
• 33:48
  used to be customs. And after 911, in an attempt to,
• 33:52
  you know, fix everything, smooth everything, they created these
• 33:58
  hybrid agencies. So you had Immigration and
• 34:02
  Customs that were merged into one.
• 34:04
  A lot of it came under DHS, right?
• 34:08
  So, but yeah, no, they've been around for forever.
• 34:11
  They were never an issue before. And that's why this is all
• 34:17
  manufactured outrage, because you've always had deportations.
• 34:22
  And that's that's just my dog running in with his toy.
• 34:25
  So you've always had immigration enforcement, you've had
• 34:28
  deportations. This has been going on for
• 34:31
  decades. This is nothing new.
• 34:33
  And it's like all of a sudden now it's an issue.
• 34:36
  Why wasn't it an issue before? Because the, you know, the
• 34:40
  narrative makers didn't have anything to gain from it.
• 34:45
  Right. I think that, you know, the
• 34:48
  other thing too is like you and I write books and they're
• 34:52
  they're throwers, but you know, I make OK money writing books
• 34:57
  and I hope you do too. But it's what's wild is I see
• 35:03
  all these people making, you know, these inflammatory posts
• 35:08
  on X and they're getting monetized and they're making,
• 35:12
  they're making millions and millions of dollars, you know,
• 35:17
  off of the chaos too. Is that's discouraging too, is
• 35:23
  the people who are making money off of all of us too.
• 35:28
  So. We've lost our capacity in large
• 35:31
  part to be critical thinkers. We get very much swayed by those
• 35:38
  loud voices on social media and we don't question the narratives
• 35:45
  that are being pushed because they may fall in line with our
• 35:49
  our beliefs. And you know, one of the funny
• 35:52
  things with AI at this point. Yeah.
• 35:57
  I don't know if I would believe something if I saw it unfold in
• 36:02
  front of me. I've become so jaded with it.
• 36:05
  But people are people will rely on what's being told to them,
• 36:09
  whether it's true or not, and we've lost this capacity to
• 36:13
  really think for ourselves. Well, that's one thing I wanted
• 36:17
  to get your perspective on too, is because, you know, AI with,
• 36:22
  you know, all these video, you know, things.
• 36:27
  I, I, I remember back in the early 2000s watching, you know,
• 36:31
  cold case files and all these other, you know, police
• 36:33
  documentaries, video evidence was a huge thing.
• 36:38
  And that was how a lot of investigators sometimes close to
• 36:43
  case was surveillance footage and whatnot.
• 36:47
  And now with AI and everything being able to, you know, is that
• 36:52
  going to is, you know, visual evidence now going to be, you
• 36:57
  know, questioned in court more? And it's just, you know, we're
• 37:07
  going down the road that I think is leading to a lot more
• 37:10
  questions than answers, so. We definitely have opened
• 37:14
  Pandora's box. Yeah.
• 37:16
  This is one of those things where you knew, I guess
• 37:20
  eventually that this was going to come about, but I think it's
• 37:25
  a case of where you have technology that grows so quickly
• 37:30
  that you're often forced to play catch up with it.
• 37:37
  And you didn't have a plan going in with it, and now you're
• 37:41
  having to figure out how to restrain it.
• 37:44
  But I think it's already too late.
• 37:46
  Well, hey, I'm well, I mean I I use AAI and I definitely do
• 37:52
  think it has some benefits as well as, you know, negatives.
• 37:56
  The thing that I'm more more worried about, you know, it's
• 37:59
  been around longer is like social is social media.
• 38:02
  I I think is still it's it's been around longer, but I think
• 38:06
  I think we're still adjusting, you know, to it, you know, as as
• 38:11
  the human rights and I'm not sure it's it's been the best.
• 38:14
  I mean, the thing that's scared me is that the the guy who
• 38:19
  killed Charlie Kirk was supposedly motivated because you
• 38:25
  saw social media posts that someone set out, you know,
• 38:30
  Charlie Kirk and that set him off.
• 38:33
  You know, there are conspiracy theorists who don't think that
• 38:35
  that happened, you know, and that's all another rabbit hole.
• 38:39
  But just, you know, that motivation to go and, you know,
• 38:42
  to murder someone because you don't like what they said on
• 38:45
  social media 10 years ago, even that if I had laid that as like
• 38:50
  a premise for a book, I would have been laughed at at, you
• 38:54
  know, by an editor. But now here we are.
• 38:58
  And it's it's an unfortunate. And the other, the other thing
• 39:02
  too, is on the flip side, you have conspiracy theorists who
• 39:07
  are saying that, well, they don't think.
• 39:10
  They don't think the guy did it because the FBI or the police
• 39:14
  took too long to investigate Charlie's death.
• 39:18
  Not understanding, and This is why I asked so many questions,
• 39:22
  is because I don't think a lot of people understand just how
• 39:27
  long it can take for police to investigate, you know, any type
• 39:34
  of case, much less a murder case.
• 39:38
  I think the thing that bothers me is this expectation and maybe
• 39:41
  it's because we've, you know, we, we've been fed all of these
• 39:45
  shows and most famous one is CSI where it's like or NCIS.
• 39:53
  We have this expectation that we have technology that we just
• 39:57
  don't have. So, you know, it's like the
• 39:59
  famous, like enhance, you know. Right.
• 40:03
  I would love to have had an enhance button when I was doing
• 40:05
  investigations, but we don't have that.
• 40:07
  But you do want TV. So people have been fed this
• 40:11
  expectation of technology that exists that doesn't.
• 40:17
  Then at the same time, you're also seeing people responding
• 40:23
  and, and one of the things that and a perfect example when you
• 40:28
  had the incident Butler, PA, where Trump was shot.
• 40:31
  Yeah. People, I mean, this is how
• 40:35
  quickly people are out there and everybody now has a theory.
• 40:39
  And I remember there was, I believe was a member of one of
• 40:43
  the local SWAT teams, and he is standing there and he's got his
• 40:48
  rifle out. And people are like losing their
• 40:52
  minds because he was pointing the rifle at the Suburban where
• 40:57
  Trump was it. And as somebody who understands,
• 41:02
  they're making an assumption based on information they have
• 41:07
  wrong. There is no depth perception on
• 41:11
  cameras. So you're getting a false image.
• 41:16
  You think he's standing next to the SUV pointing his rifle into
• 41:21
  the SUV, when in reality he's about 75 feet away.
• 41:27
  But that camera does not pick that up.
• 41:31
  And that's what you're seeing. You're seeing a lot of people
• 41:35
  that are responding to something that they saw on social media.
• 41:39
  And like the, you know, the old meme was, you know, I was AI was
• 41:42
  a Middle East expert last week. But this week I'm a, you know,
• 41:46
  constitutional attorney. We're, we're making, you know,
• 41:50
  we're making statements, declarative statements, but we
• 41:54
  lack the knowledge and we need to take a step back from that.
• 41:58
  We really do. And I don't, unfortunately, I I
• 42:01
  don't think we can. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you
• 42:05
  know, it in, in regards to the whole Charlie Kirk thing.
• 42:09
  When he was shot, there were a lot of people who were saying,
• 42:12
  well, it's impossible for, you know, him to get taken out.
• 42:17
  It was impossible for him to get taken out by just a, a plane
• 42:21
  hunting rifle. It had to be something more
• 42:23
  advanced, you know, So therefore some foreign government did.
• 42:28
  And it's like, no, a hunting rifle can still, you know, kill
• 42:32
  you if it if it's if it's, you know, if it's close enough, you
• 42:37
  know, why wasn't wasn't the roof covered that you know that that
• 42:41
  is, you know, maybe that was bad security, but not everything
• 42:45
  points to, you know, an an international conspiracy, you
• 42:51
  know, either. You can create a conspiracy for
• 42:53
  just about anything, if you're inclined to do that, I mean.
• 42:57
  Yeah. I looked at the whole Charlie
• 43:00
  Kirk thing. I looked at the the Butler
• 43:01
  thing, and I had questions, you know, but my questions came from
• 43:07
  having years of experience in doing dignitary protection, in
• 43:12
  doing site assessments and doing threat assessments, right?
• 43:16
  I look at it from a different lens now, does that mean that
• 43:20
  mistakes didn't happen, you know, or was it intentional?
• 43:27
  Well, I I'd be the first one to tell you mistakes do happen.
• 43:31
  But yeah, you try to do everything you can to prevent
• 43:38
  that. But at the end of the day,
• 43:41
  you're you're still thankful when everything goes goes off
• 43:45
  without a hitch because you know it's you're 1 mistake away from
• 43:50
  standing in front of Congress with your right hand race and
• 43:54
  testifying. Right, right.
• 43:57
  And sometimes, you know, I, I could, I don't remember that the
• 44:00
  exact saying, but it's like, you know, it, you know, it takes
• 44:06
  like, you know, 1000 steps to do everything right, but just one,
• 44:10
  it takes one mistake to undo everything when it.
• 44:13
  Comes to Yeah, yeah. You know, security or something.
• 44:16
  Basically one oh shit wipes out 100, you know, good job.
• 44:21
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 44:23
  So, yeah, I mean, that's why I like and that's why I tried, you
• 44:29
  know, whatever I have guests like you on or Steve chanting or
• 44:32
  other people who work for law enforcement.
• 44:34
  I do try and ask these in depth questions because, you know,
• 44:39
  having known some of you guys, I I can at least understand from
• 44:43
  an outside perspective and appreciate the, you know, the
• 44:49
  level of detail. But you know, you guys have to
• 44:52
  go through with security and investigation and what not.
• 44:56
  But a lot of people that they watch, they watch an episode of
• 45:01
  Law and Order and they think that, you know, a murder case is
• 45:06
  supposed to be done in under an hour, not realizing that, you
• 45:11
  know, even even things like getting warrants takes time.
• 45:15
  You know, stakeouts take time. It's not, you know, always
• 45:22
  glamorous. It's a lot of sitting around and
• 45:25
  waiting sometimes for. Most of the time.
• 45:30
  Yeah. So I, I mean, I guess what is at
• 45:35
  least that you've noticed, what is the biggest misconception
• 45:37
  that people have about police work that you always have to
• 45:42
  kind of clarify or, or explain or is the list or is the list
• 45:46
  too long? I think one of the
• 45:48
  misconception, you know, it's like everything.
• 45:51
  I don't know what has changed in our society.
• 45:54
  I really don't because I, I go back to when I was, you know,
• 45:57
  one patrol and this whole, there really was no arguing.
• 46:03
  And I'm not sure when this came about.
• 46:07
  And it's a, it's a new thing where, you know, people are
• 46:11
  going to argue and the side of the, the, the side of the road
• 46:17
  isn't the place to argue. If you find that, you know, you
• 46:22
  disagree with this, then then go to court you.
• 46:26
  But you have people that are now, you know, which kind of,
• 46:31
  you know, is, is very intriguing to me because I, I was told that
• 46:35
  no one is above the law for, for a long time, except for the
• 46:42
  people who think that they're above the law.
• 46:45
  So it's like, OK, I'm not sure how we rectify that, but people
• 46:51
  just need to. But like I said before, we've
• 46:54
  lost our capacity to think critically.
• 46:57
  Yeah. And people need to take a step
• 47:01
  away from the social media influencers, the people that
• 47:06
  are, you know, have all of these different podcasts or their, the
• 47:11
  social media accounts that are pushing an agenda and really
• 47:15
  learn, you know, go back to thinking for yourself.
• 47:19
  If you disagree with something, then find out the way that you
• 47:26
  can resolve it. But resolving it out in the
• 47:29
  street is only going to lead to tragedy.
• 47:33
  Yeah. If you're a mom or if you're a
• 47:37
  father, you have a responsibility to your family,
• 47:41
  you know, focus on them. You can you can be an activist
• 47:46
  in other areas that it doesn't, you know, put your life and the
• 47:49
  life of law enforcement in jeopardy because honestly, you
• 47:54
  know, what happened to Renee Good was a tragedy.
• 47:57
  What happened to this guy the other day, another tragedy.
• 48:00
  But I will tell you that there is no cop that wants to shoot
• 48:08
  somebody. Your life is going to be over.
• 48:12
  Right. Because it's, it's going to be
• 48:16
  irrevocably changed. And so no one wants this.
• 48:22
  And yeah, you know, we're, we're you watching the news and you're
• 48:26
  seeing this. We have a debate for a Week, 2
• 48:29
  weeks, a month, you know, over an incident that occurred in 1.5
• 48:34
  seconds. Yeah, Well, I think, I think the
• 48:37
  other thing too is I think Hollywood and people's, you
• 48:42
  know, expectations from movies and shows.
• 48:46
  Like I saw someone post on Facebook something well, like,
• 48:50
  well, you know, why couldn't why couldn't the officer in regards
• 48:54
  to, you know, Renee, good. Why couldn't he have just shot,
• 48:58
  jumped out of the way and shot the tires?
• 49:01
  Well, this isn't, you know, this isn't John Wick.
• 49:06
  You know, not all cops are. I mean, it's also, it's hard to
• 49:10
  fire a gun properly. It takes practice just to do
• 49:14
  that, much less doing crazy things like, yeah, well, why
• 49:18
  can't you just shoot the gun out of the perp's hands or, you
• 49:21
  know, something like that? Yeah, shoot them in the legs,
• 49:24
  shoot them in the hand, you know, and, and that sounds
• 49:28
  really good and it works, you know, 100% of the time when
• 49:33
  you're shooting at a paper target, once you go out in the
• 49:36
  real world and you have all these different mitigating
• 49:39
  circumstances, there's a difference between shooting, you
• 49:43
  know, on a nice, beautiful, you know, 75° day with the sun.
• 49:48
  There's something completely different when you're shooting
• 49:50
  and it's -5 and you're bundled up and you can't feel your
• 49:53
  fingers. So there's a lot of different,
• 49:56
  you know, things that go into that.
• 49:58
  And like I said, no one wants to do this.
• 50:02
  Any but anyone that puts on a gun is inherently familiar with
• 50:08
  the risk that goes with it. And you know that you might have
• 50:14
  to do it. And it's the last thing you want
• 50:16
  to do. Because at the end of the day,
• 50:18
  whether you're right or whether you're wrong, you're still going
• 50:23
  to take a life. If you're right, maybe you walk
• 50:27
  away unscathed. You know if you are judged
• 50:31
  wrong, your life is ruined. And so you know the risks when
• 50:37
  you take the job and you pray that you don't have to do it.
• 50:43
  And we had plenty of cops that have been either killed or
• 50:46
  seriously injured because they hesitated when they shouldn't
• 50:50
  have. And even if it is a completely,
• 50:54
  you know, if it is a, you know, if it is a clean kill, you know,
• 50:59
  I've heard the term, you know, mentioned a lot of cops.
• 51:05
  I would imagine they carry that with them, you know, for the
• 51:08
  rest of their lives, even if even if it is, you know, a clean
• 51:13
  shoe. I don't think even the cop that
• 51:16
  hasn't been involved in a shooting, if you sit down and
• 51:20
  you talk to them and you ask them, they will all tell you.
• 51:25
  You live with so many, you know, ghosts of things that you've
• 51:31
  seen over the course of a career.
• 51:34
  And that's, that's not, you know, that that that doesn't
• 51:36
  involve a shooting. And so these things want you and
• 51:41
  they, they never go away. You see things as a cop that you
• 51:44
  were never supposed to see. And I've said this before, you
• 51:48
  know, it's very strange to me because you take somebody who,
• 51:53
  you know, 20 years old, 21 years old, and they become a cop and
• 51:58
  go back and think about yourself when you were 20 and 21.
• 52:03
  I look back and I think about all my friends.
• 52:05
  They were all out there partying and having a great time and
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  whatnot. And I was out there, you know,
• 52:10
  basically disputing, you know, marital fights.
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  I'm out there. I, I hadn't even lived my life
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  yet. And I'm solving other people's
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  problems. And so being a cop is not, you
• 52:23
  know, an easy job to do. So, you know, people that we get
• 52:29
  this kind of, you know, kind of like jaded view, we think they
• 52:32
  know all these cops are out there.
• 52:34
  They're human beings, each and every one of them.
• 52:37
  Yeah. Has writing helped you process
• 52:43
  through your experiences of being, you know, on the NYPD,
• 52:52
  both good and bad? I think in a way what it allows
• 52:57
  me to do. And, you know, I grew up reading
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  Joe Wombaugh, so, you know, LAPD guy and seeing that world, you
• 53:08
  know, that I wasn't familiar with, right.
• 53:10
  But I love the characters and I love the fact that they they
• 53:15
  were flawed. And when I'm writing my books,
• 53:19
  that's what I'm trying to present to the reader.
• 53:23
  It's not black and white. And case in point, I had one in
• 53:28
  one of my books. There's a terror cell that's
• 53:31
  operating in New York City. And I actually had a woman tell
• 53:36
  me that when she was reading about the terrorist, she cried.
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  And that is exactly, Yeah, it, it, it's kind of like she and
• 53:47
  she said she goes, I didn't like this guy, but I found myself
• 53:52
  crying when I read his story. And as a writer, that's what I
• 53:57
  want to do. I I want to show the reader a
• 54:00
  completely different world. First of all, I want to show you
• 54:03
  the world of the NYPD that you wouldn't normally see.
• 54:08
  Then I want to show you maybe an insight into it where you know,
• 54:15
  you'll have a scene that's kind of humorous where these you'll,
• 54:19
  you'll see these cops interacting with one another in
• 54:23
  a way that you know, you see the human side of them.
• 54:28
  Yeah. And in a, in a split second,
• 54:32
  everything goes to hell because that's usually what happens.
• 54:37
  You know, you talk to cops about, you know, when they were
• 54:41
  involved in something, whether it was a shooting or something
• 54:43
  traumatic. And you asked him, what were you
• 54:46
  doing 5 minutes before this happened?
• 54:50
  And they were probably sitting there joking and laughing and
• 54:52
  having coffee, smoking a cigarette.
• 54:54
  And the world was fine. And 5 minutes later it
• 54:57
  completely came apart. Or you get the perspective of
• 55:03
  the bad guy and you don't want to like them.
• 55:06
  You know they're bad, but when you hear their story, it
• 55:12
  resonates with something deep inside you.
• 55:15
  Because yeah. Well, I talked at this with Eric
• 55:20
  Bishop, you know, last week. He's, he's really good at
• 55:25
  writing compelling antagonists who, you know, no one is the
• 55:29
  villain of their own story. That's.
• 55:31
  Right. You know, some, some people
• 55:37
  they, you know, I suppose there are some maybe serial killers
• 55:41
  out there who know that what they're doing is, you know,
• 55:45
  wrong. But they just, you know, they're
• 55:48
  demented. Aside from that, you know, most
• 55:52
  of the time, you know, even even you know, former mob guys who
• 56:00
  have, you know, who have now talked about this, they thought
• 56:03
  that what they were doing was, you know, in the life was good
• 56:09
  until until it wasn't so. It's like the old saying,
• 56:12
  history is written by the winners.
• 56:14
  Yeah. So, yeah, you see that, You
• 56:19
  know, I think, I think it's lazy writing if you just paint a
• 56:23
  villain and and give him no redeemable qualities because
• 56:28
  that's not, that's not real, you know, and it's, it's like, I
• 56:33
  mean, I saw a thing one time and it was like, you know, even
• 56:37
  Hitler like dogs. Yeah.
• 56:39
  And it sounds absurd, but as a writer, you need to channel that
• 56:45
  sometimes. Make the reader kind of go, I
• 56:50
  don't, I don't want to feel this way, but I do.
• 56:53
  And that's when you know you've given a character enough depth
• 56:58
  where it raises questions. It shouldn't be black and white,
• 57:02
  it should be grey. You know, and, and, and the road
• 57:06
  to justice should be twisted. Yeah, it yeah, it, it often is.
• 57:12
  Or even even if, even if the characters, even if the villains
• 57:16
  motivations are completely, you know, out of whack.
• 57:21
  How did they get to that place, to where they just don't, to
• 57:25
  where they just don't kill care anymore about, you know?
• 57:29
  What happened in their thought process?
• 57:32
  Yeah. You know, and then you know, you
• 57:34
  have manipulation. And so even if a character
• 57:39
  thinks they're doing the right thing in their, in their mind,
• 57:44
  then you, you know, do you show the manipulation, you know, do
• 57:49
  you invite the reader in for a look behind the scenes and go,
• 57:52
  he thinks he's doing the right thing, but here's the reason why
• 57:56
  he's doing it. And now you judge for that?
• 57:59
  Right. So, yeah, I mean, I and I think
• 58:02
  you've done a great job of doing that.
• 58:05
  You know, in the James Wire series, I I need to pick up a
• 58:08
  few of your other, you know, books as well.
• 58:11
  You know, overall the character development is really great, and
• 58:14
  I think you've really brought New York to life as well.
• 58:20
  Like I said, I grew up with Wombaugh and you know, it was
• 58:24
  kind of like, I want to do the same thing from a New York
• 58:29
  perspective. The interesting thing is because
• 58:32
  I have the James McGuire series, but I also have Alex Taylor and
• 58:37
  they're two really completely different characters, even
• 58:42
  though they're very close and they come from, you know,
• 58:47
  similar but also different backgrounds.
• 58:51
  It's fun for me because what I can get away with, you know, or
• 58:55
  what, you know, the James McGuire character can't do, I
• 59:00
  can do with my Alex Taylor character because she's got
• 59:05
  that. They're like a mirror of
• 59:07
  themselves, good and bright. So it's been fun to have those
• 59:12
  two characters that I can play with, you know?
• 59:15
  Have you have you ever have you ever based on you know,
• 59:21
  characters off of anyone you've you've worked with or you know
• 59:26
  any of your actual experiences or you know I played the OR
• 59:30
  plead the 5th? I won't plead the fifth because
• 59:33
  I think that's lazy. I think every character has
• 59:37
  elements that can be traced back to actual people, and that's
• 59:42
  what makes them believable. Yeah.
• 59:45
  They have to have attributes that you, you draw on, you know,
• 59:50
  and they may be a composite, you know, they, you know, they make
• 59:53
  elements of this person and elements of that person, and you
• 59:57
  kind of just meld them together. And so, yeah, there's, there's
• 1:00:00
  what you find in the characters are elements of real people that
• 1:00:04
  I've worked with, both good and bad.
• 1:00:06
  So there's that. Do you have a like specific
• 1:00:10
  writing process? Like do you outline or do you do
• 1:00:14
  you pants, as they say? I set my hair on fire and then I
• 1:00:19
  just go Willy nilly. I I am a plotter.
• 1:00:24
  I don't understand how pancers actually do it.
• 1:00:29
  I'd lose my mind, but I actually sit down and every book I have,
• 1:00:37
  I'll start off, I have to do a chapter by chapter progression.
• 1:00:42
  So it'll be, you know, I may have 53 chapters in a book.
• 1:00:48
  I will have an outline of what happens in every chapter.
• 1:00:53
  Now that may be, you know, a sentence or two.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah, it may be 3 pages of notes.
• 1:01:00
  It just depends on, you know, the, the weeds that I'm going to
• 1:01:05
  get into with that chapter. But that's the only way I can do
• 1:01:08
  it. I have to be able to sit down
• 1:01:09
  because I at any time I can have two, 3, even 4 books that I'm
• 1:01:18
  outlining or working on. And if I try to do that by the
• 1:01:22
  seat of my pants, I I wouldn't be able to write a book.
• 1:01:25
  I, I did the pantsing thing for my first two books when I was
• 1:01:31
  still getting it, you know, when I was still getting it into
• 1:01:34
  that, like we're getting into this, I had a general like
• 1:01:38
  outline of bullet points. I, I just didn't know where
• 1:01:40
  things go. Now I now I find like, I have
• 1:01:46
  like a general outline of where I want things to go.
• 1:01:51
  And what I find interesting is sometimes the outline will,
• 1:01:56
  it'll start off one way and then just the writing I'll end up
• 1:02:02
  maybe not entirely, maybe not somewhere entirely different,
• 1:02:05
  but different from maybe what I initially had planned out.
• 1:02:10
  Because as I'm writing things, you know, change or new details
• 1:02:16
  come to mind I hadn't thought of before.
• 1:02:20
  So and. I'll do that plenty of times
• 1:02:24
  where I'll like I said, you know, I'll have 50 plus chapters
• 1:02:27
  and I've outlined and I won't start really writing a book
• 1:02:31
  until I have that outline done. It's like going on a trip, you
• 1:02:35
  know, you start at A, you're ending at Z.
• 1:02:37
  How are we going to get there? And I need to know how this trip
• 1:02:42
  is going to go before I start writing.
• 1:02:44
  Now, as I'm writing, I may, you know, it's like, oh, OK, we're
• 1:02:49
  at exit 43 and there's, you know, an attraction I want to go
• 1:02:52
  visit. We're getting off the highway.
• 1:02:54
  So I'll, I'll throw in an additional chapter or two along
• 1:02:58
  the way. But by and large, I need to know
• 1:03:01
  exactly, you know, what this book is going to be about and
• 1:03:04
  all the details for it. But like I said, I can have 4
• 1:03:09
  going at one time. And so for me, it's a necessity.
• 1:03:12
  Otherwise, you know, and when you're dealing with as many
• 1:03:15
  characters as I am over the course of, I think it's like
• 1:03:20
  I've got 15 fictional books out now.
• 1:03:23
  So when you have that many characters, if you don't have
• 1:03:26
  like a master list, you're going to, you're going to, you know,
• 1:03:30
  really run into problems along the way.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, I've I've started using and I don't know if you might
• 1:03:37
  have actually been one of the ones who told me about this, but
• 1:03:40
  I started using a program called Scrivener to.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah, I don't use that though. That was somebody else.
• 1:03:48
  To keep an outline yeah yeah, I know I know there are a couple
• 1:03:52
  of them so that you can use so I I, I would use word, but I can't
• 1:03:58
  afford at Microsoft's, you know I licensing now so that's an
• 1:04:04
  issue. Well, anyway, exposed King comes
• 1:04:07
  out tomorrow by the time you guys are hearing this great
• 1:04:12
  cover too, by the way, I and I see you've got perfect spawn
• 1:04:18
  your your first book in the background there.
• 1:04:23
  You know, check out the James Wire series and check out the
• 1:04:27
  Alex Taylor series. You have a, you have a couple of
• 1:04:31
  a couple of them there. I do.
• 1:04:33
  I actually, James McGuire was the primary, then came Alex
• 1:04:37
  Taylor and then I started another one which is Angelo
• 1:04:41
  Antonucci. And that started off as the cold
• 1:04:43
  case. But all these characters and
• 1:04:46
  sometimes to the consternation of my readers, but it's my
• 1:04:50
  story. And so you kind of along for the
• 1:04:53
  ride. But all of these stories weave
• 1:04:57
  into each other. Yeah, that's the way life works.
• 1:05:00
  Some people don't like it, but that's that's like I said,
• 1:05:05
  that's my story. And you're going to get you
• 1:05:07
  introduced to characters that you're going to love.
• 1:05:11
  And then just for laughs, I wound up doing another series.
• 1:05:15
  Which is it? Basically, it merges a police
• 1:05:18
  procedural with vampires. And yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah, and I, I've actually heard the people love that one.
• 1:05:27
  And that's, I got to work on the sequel to that because people
• 1:05:30
  have been asking about that one. And yeah, that that's actually
• 1:05:33
  fun. And that that was one of those
• 1:05:35
  books that started off with just a question.
• 1:05:38
  And it, it it developed into a really good story that I think
• 1:05:44
  kind of caught a lot of people off guard because it was like it
• 1:05:47
  took the traditional police procedural and it broadened in
• 1:05:52
  the supernatural aspect of vampires.
• 1:05:54
  But then it just kind of merged them and create created an
• 1:05:58
  interesting, you know, dynamic where it was different from the
• 1:06:02
  traditional vampire stories that people were used to reading.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, I also liked the the James McGuire prequel you did.
• 1:06:13
  I think it was a prequel where you.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah, which I actually, that's actually one of the few books of
• 1:06:21
  yours I could have a physical copy of.
• 1:06:25
  I thought that was a good venture too, and kind of the
• 1:06:28
  more military thriller genre as well.
• 1:06:32
  So it's only exposed King comes out on tomorrow by the time you
• 1:06:38
  guys are hearing this. So you must be excited, I would
• 1:06:41
  imagine, to have the book out and then, you know, back to
• 1:06:46
  square one, as they say so. I've already thought it.
• 1:06:52
  Oh yeah, I'm sure so. Well, is there anything else you
• 1:06:57
  would like to promote? Or if you are interested in
• 1:07:02
  finding out more information about me, they can go to
• 1:07:05
  andrewgnelson.org. That's my website.
• 1:07:09
  You can find out more about me, about my books.
• 1:07:13
  You can also follow me on Twitter.
• 1:07:15
  You can find the link on the website and as well as
• 1:07:18
  information on all my books. They're available on Amazon,
• 1:07:22
  Barnes and Noble, books-a-million and even
• 1:07:25
  Walmart. You can get them.
• 1:07:27
  Yeah, so I, I found that that I found that interesting too.
• 1:07:33
  Yeah. No, no audible, No, no audible
• 1:07:36
  yet, but you know, may maybe down the line if you, if you can
• 1:07:40
  find a someone with, you know, a proper voice or something.
• 1:07:45
  So to do audio books. So, but well, anyway, Andrew, I
• 1:07:49
  want to thank you for coming on the show and I want to thank the
• 1:07:53
  listeners and viewers for tuning in.
• 1:07:56
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• 1:08:00
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