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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 14-16) (5/28/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
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off with the Sarah Ransom deposition. Menager, What activities was
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Glene Maxwell in charge of Ransom in terms of can
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you please explain activities? Menager? Actually just looking at Draffa
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David paragraph three. So why don't you take a look
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at that Ransom activities activities? So when we had to
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go to the island, when we had to go see
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Jeffrey in New York, when we had to go to
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see his mansion, you know, we saw Jeffrey pretty regularly.
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I was on rotation pretty much every day, so amongst
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other girls, so Glaine also called me. She also called
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the other girls when Jeffrey wanted his massage. So there
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was an occasion that I didn't want to go and
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she got angry with me because I didn't want to
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give Jeffrey a massage. Menager, When was that Ransom? It
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was on one of my one of my stays on
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the island. I can't remember what specific date or what
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specific time, Menager. How many times were you on the
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island with Glaane Ransom? I can't remember specifically, Menager more
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than once? Ransom, Yeah, Menager, more than twice, Ransom, I
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can't remember. I also saw her a lot in New York,
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So I mean this isn't just based on the island.
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I spend just as much time with Jeffrey and Glaane
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in New York, so we can't just concentrate on the island. Please, Meninger,
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did you believe Glaane was living in New York in
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January of two thousand and seven? Ransom? I don't know
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where the hell Glaine lived, to be honest, Menager, but
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you saw her regularly in January of two thousand and seven.
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Gergis objection. McAuley objection, Ransom regularly. What's regularly? I saw
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a few times. I don't know where she was living.
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I tried, actually not to spend well. I tried to
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spend as little time with her as possible, because every
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time I saw her on the island, she would call
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me to give Jeffrey age. So, Manager, you saw her
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more than once on the island, and you saw a
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few times in New York. Did you see her anywhere else?
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Gergis objection. McCauley objection mischaracterized his testimony. Ransom, No, Menager,
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in New York you saw at Jeffrey's office. Did you
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see her anywhere else in New York? Ransom? I can't remember.
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I saw them. I spent a lot of time with them. So, Menager,
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how much time did you spend with Golene Ransom? Enough?
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Gergis objection, that's vague. Ransom, enough time? I mean, how
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long is a piece of string. I was here for
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a certain amount of time, and in that time, the
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majority of the time I spent with Jeffrey Epstein being
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involved with his pedophiling. I mean, how much time have
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you spent with them? I don't know. It wasn't a
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lot of time because I couldn't stand the woman, and
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she was a bully and no one liked her, so
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no one really went out of their way to spend
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time with her. So I didn't spend a lot of
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time with her because she's particularly an unpleasant person. And
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when I did spend time with her, it was either
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directing me to massage Jeffrey or I spent a lot
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of time with her on the island. Yeah, So how
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much time did I spend with Golane in total of hours?
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I can't recall because it was ten years ago. I mean,
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how many hours did I spend with Jeffrey? I mean,
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what a silly question, Menager? How many days did you
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spend with Golaine Ransom? I don't know, Menager less than
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ten or more than ten? Ransom, I can't remember, Manager
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less than five or more than five? Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.
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You indicate that many girls you saw appeared to be young.
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Where did you see young teenagers? Ransom? It says they
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appeared to be teenagers? All the girls I saw looked young? Menager? Okay,
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where did you see girls who appeared to be young teenagers? Ransom?
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On the island and in New York? Manager described for
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me a young teenager that you saw? Gergis objection mischaracterizes
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the tech testimony. Ransom. So I never said I saw
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a teenager. They appeared to look like teenagers, Okay? Redacted was?
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I try to look at redacted. I don't know how
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old redacted is, but she looked young. And I'm sure
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you can agree as a mom in the photos that
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she looks pretty young for an old man to be bonking.
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So she really looks young. She looks younger than me. Manager,
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did you see her bonk someone? Ransom? No, but she
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told me, she told me and redacted that they abused
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her on the island. Menager redacted said they abused her
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on the island. Gergis objection mischaracterizes testimony. That's not what
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the witness said. Ransom, redacted said that Jeffrey and redacted
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had abused her. Menager, Okay, and you have any way
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to reach redacted? Ransom, I haven't spoken to her. I
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don't I just know her first name. Manager. You said
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you recall seeing a particularly young thin girl who looked
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well under the age of eighteen, and you recall asking
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her her age. When did you see this particularly young
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thin girl who looked well under eighteen and you recall
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asking her her age? Ransom? It was on the trips.
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I think you've got the photos. Redacted is in the photos.
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So it was that trip in December. Manager. Did you
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take a photo of the young girl, thin girl who
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looked well under eighteen? Ransom? I think I did take
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a photo of her. I don't have any more photos
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of her of my own. Well, I have photos of her.
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You've got the photos, manager, So the person Ransom interrupts
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her I've given you all the photos that I have. Manager.
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The person that you wrote here was a particularly young
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thin girl who looked well under eighteen, is reflected in
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photographs you've produced in this case Ransom. That's correct, Manager.
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And do you know her name? Ransom? Sorry? Can you
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just repeat that? Didn't I just answer this question? Yeah,
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that's redacted who. I was particularly concerned about her age
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in the photos that I supplied with you with with
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me in them with redacted. Manager. So in your affid David,
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in paragraph three where you talk about a particularly young
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thin girl who looked well under eighteen, you were referring
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to redacted ransom. Yes, Manager, and you said later learned
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that she was a redacted ransom. That's correct, Menager. How
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did you learn that she was a redacted ransom because
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she told me and she told me Jeffrey Epstein was
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funding her redacted and redacted Menager? And where was her
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redacted ransom? I don't know, Menager? And when did she
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tell you this ransom? During that December trip? Manager? Was
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that the only trip you took with her Ransom? I can't,
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I can't remember. I think there was another trip, but
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I can't remember. Manager. Did you ever see her name
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on the flight logs, Ransom, No, Manager, was she on
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the plane with youransome? I can't remember. I can't remember. Yeah,
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I just remember redacted on the island. Manager. Other than
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her telling you she was a redacted, did she tell
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you anything else about herself? Ransom? Yeah, you know, I
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think she came from quite a tough background. Manager. What
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did she say, Ransom? Well, I can't remember the specifics,
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but I remember that. I don't know if she had
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issues with her parents. I don't know. She was a
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bit of a you know, she was a I was
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worried about her. Manager. What did she say to cause
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you to be worried about her? Ransom? Well, I first
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met her. She was new to Jeffrey Epstein's list of
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girls in December, and when I first met her, she
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was a really bubbly girl. And I mean she was young,
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she was inexperienced, she was frail, and she changed quite
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quickly after that first trip, Manager, How many trips did
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you take with her? Ransom? I think it was more
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than one. I can't remember. I saw her a lot.
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Where did you see her, Ransom? Oh, it was either
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New York or the Island. I mean, I can't remember. Manager.
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In New York, where did you see her? Ransom? I
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think we met, Like all met a couple of times
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in New York. We all kind of knew each other. Manager.
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Did you ever see her redacted? Ransom? No Manager. Did
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she live in an apartment that you went to? Ransom?
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I can't remember about her living arrangements? Manager. Did you
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know where her redacted was? Ransom? No Manager. When did
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you ask to see her passport? Ransom? When we shortly
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arrived to the Virgin Islands, she looked particularly young. And
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you know that girls are like with passports, with passport pictures,
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they don't They get embarrassed about their passport pictures, and
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she was quite cagey about her passport, so she didn't
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show me. I don't know whether that I don't know.
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She just didn't show me. Manager. Did she say why
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she wasn't showing you, Ransom? She said it was because
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she was embarrassed about the pure Manager. Were you living
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in the same room with her on the island, Ransom, Yeah,
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we stayed in the same room. Manager. Did you ever
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attempt to look at her passport once you wasn't there? Ransom,
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No Manager. Did you ever call any authorities about having
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seen this young thin girl who looked well under eighteen Ransom, No, Menager.
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In the fourth paragraph you describe being lent out to
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Jeffrey's friends in New York. Which friends of Jeffreys were
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you lent out to to have sex? Ransom? Alan Dershowitz manager,
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who else? Ransom redacted? All the girls that were involved? Really,
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I had to have sex with them, so Menager, Well,
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what do you mean by lent out? Ransom? Lent out?
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As in, so I was one of the girls that
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regularly that Jeffrey regularly asked to see sexually. And what
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my description was of being lent out is when it's
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almost like Jeffrey's quite possessive of his girls. He's, you know,
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he lends them out, He samples the girls. He has
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friends come over to New York or the Island, and
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they get to see who all the girls are around Jeffrey,
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and they get to pick one which they want to
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be with. Managers, So were you with Jeffrey a number
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of other females in New York When a person a
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friend would come in, Alan Dershowitz would come in and
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look at all the girls and choose one. McAuley objection.
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Gurgis objection mischaracterizes testimony. Manager, I'm asking a question, Gergis.
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I'm objecting to your question, Ransom. So let me give
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you a specific example of that. So, for example, there
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was an occasion where I and some of the other
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girls were on the island. So a specific occasion was
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when redacted I don't know his surname, but he owns
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redacted or whatever, and he came with his fiance. So
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you know, you got a table with Jeffrey Epstein, lots
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of women, girls, women whatever, beautiful girls, and you've got
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friends joining him, and friends popped up and over all
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the time. So I had other There were other males
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that visited Jeffrey on the island. I don't know who
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they are. I can't remember their names. But yeah, I mean,
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he didn't line them up and go, hey, boys, pick
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which vagina you want. He didn't do it that blatantly.
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But they had spent time with the girls during a
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lunch on the island. Yeah, I mean they his friends
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would spend time with us. Manager, Okay, in paragraph four
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where you say at his townhouse, I was also lent
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out by him to his friends and the associates to
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have sex. What do you mean by that sentence, Ransom, Well,
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I mean it's quite obvious with the incidents, Well, the
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incident that happened with Alan, so I would classify that
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as being lent out. I didn't willingly go hey, Alan,
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let's have some fun, because no one on the planet
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would say that to Alan Meninger. So you say lent
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out by him to his friends and his associates. Who
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are the friends and associates that you were lent out to?
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Gergis objection, asked and answered, Ransom, Alan Dershowitz and redacted
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the girls that I mentioned. There were other girls that
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I had sexual intercourse with, but I can't remember their names. Menager.
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Were there any other men? Ransom? No, there weren't any
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other men Menager redacted and redacted Ransom. No manager redacted
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or redacted or a redacted Ransom. No, No, I don't
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know that manager redacted or adacted. Yes, no, Ransom. No,
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that I would be lent out to have sex with Menager? Yes, Ransom, No, Menager,
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Tom Pritzker Ransom, No, manager redacted and redacted Ransom No, Menager.
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Were you paid money after you had sex with Alan
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Dershowitz Ransom. No, Menager. Were you paid money after you
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had sex with redacted? Ransom? No, Menager, Were you paid
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money after you had sex with redacted? Ransom? No, Manager,
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Were you paid money after you had sex with any
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of the other girls? Ransom, No, Menager of names you
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can't remember? Ransom. I was only ever paid to when
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I had sex with Jeffrey himself. Manager, in the course
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of a massage. Ransom, Yes, Manager. Did you ever have
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sex with Jeffrey not in a massage context? Ransom? Yeah,
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we Yeah, he was really intimate all the time. We
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had multiple times. I can't tell you how many times
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I've slept with Jeffrey. I mean we were on rotation
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every single day. It was sometimes twice a day. I
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was called you know, Glaane redacted, you know it was Yeah,
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I mean how we were on rotation pretty much the
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whole time that I was there. Menager. And when you
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say you were on rotation, you mean you were having
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sex with Jeffrey multiple times per day? Ransom. No, as in,
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when I was finished, another girl was called by Golaane
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And when they had finished, another girl was called, Menager.
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How do you know that another girl was called by
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Golaane Ransom because I was there and I saw it
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and I heard it all with my senses. I saw
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Glaine call another and she called me herself to go
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and give Jeffrey Epstein a sexual massage. Menager, What do
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you mean by call? I guess I'm thinking like telephone,
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that may be my ransom. No, as in, I'm going
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up to the person and going Jeffrey wants to see
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you in his bedroom, which meant it's your turn to
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be abused that kind of thing, Menager. And this is
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on the island, Ransom, This is on the island, Menager.
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You heard as soon as you were done with Jeffrey,
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you heard Glaane go up to another girl and say
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it's your turn with Jeffrey Ransom. So every single day,
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I mean, so I don't know how quickly Jeffrey's sperm
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bank fills up. I mean, I know guys can normally
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come once or twice a day, but Jeffrey's not a
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normal person. So I mean our rotation changed every day
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that specific trip we had in December. So for example,
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I would be called maybe a couple of hours when
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Jeffrey had a little, you know, break another girl was
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called redacted, then another girl was called. Every single day,
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we tried to hide on different like so we wouldn't
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have to get called. We generally have to sit in
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the main area. There was like a big pool the
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main seating area. There was a big table. We'd sit
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there and do kind of art on the table, and
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we always had to be around. We weren't allowed to
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go very far on the island. We always had to
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report to Golane and Jeffrey and tell them if we
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were going down to the beach to swim, because they
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had an inflatable trampoline, so they I mean, we always
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had to tell Golane and Jeffrey where we were at
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all times. Manager on the island, Ransom on the Island. Yeah,
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all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this part here,
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and then the next episode we'll pick up where we
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left off. All of the information that goes with this
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episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're gonna pick up where we left off with a
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Sarah Ransom deposition manager. How many times a day to
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your did Jeffrey Epstein have sex Ransom, to my knowledge
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from what I saw and what I witnessed, I don't
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know what he did when I wasn't there up to
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three to four times a day, Manager, So you had
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sex with him three to four times a day. McAuley objection, Ransom, No, Menager,
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I'm sorry you said to your knowledge what you witnessed.
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I'm trying to understand what you mean. Ransom. So, as
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soon as I slept with Jeffrey, a certain time would
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go by, he maybe had a coffee, and then there
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was a specific occasion where then redacted was called to
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go and do that for Jeffrey. Manager. And you were
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not in the room when redacted was with Jeffrey Ransom, No,
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but I was certainly there afterwards because she was forced
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to have sex with redacted and Jeffrey Epstein. Menager, that happened, Ransom, Yes,
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and she had never had a female experience before and
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she was very very upset. Manager. So you didn't personally
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see it, but you talked to or adacted and sorrow afterwards. Ransom. Well,
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I don't think the girls when they were called were
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making cups of tea with Jeffrey in his room. So
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and when a girl comes out crying. And I know
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that I've been sexually abused. It's quite safe to assume.
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And when that girl tells you she's being forced to
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have sex with Jeffrey and redacted, you know it's there,
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isn't it. Manager, She told you, Ransom, Yes, she told me.
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And with my own intelligence, in my own you know,
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I can see with my own senses, I can hear things,
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see things. It's quite obvious what was going on? Manager,
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I need a small break. Manager. On defendants Exhibit three,
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In the last paragraph, you describe having sex with Alan Dershowitz.
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Correct Ransom, Correct, Manager, And you say in the last
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sentence that you recall specific key details of his person.
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What specific key details of his person do you recall, Ransom?
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You know, I recall his appearance. You know i'd met him,
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you know, twice before hand. So I in terms of
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specific key details, I can't describe how he looked, Manager,
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How did he look? Ransom? He was, as I've explained
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described earlier, quite quite an elderly man, wore glasses, quite pasty,
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pasty skinned, not well I assumed, not at all. Well.
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He wasn't well, w e ll like, he wasn't a
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he wasn't. He wasn't a healthy person. Manager. And do
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you recall whether he had a mustache? Ransom? I can't.
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I can't recall if he had a mustache. No, Manager,
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which of those that you just described are the key
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details you are referring to in paragraph four? McAuley objection
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asked and answered, Ransom as I've described, I mean menager,
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pasty skin, Ransom, pasty skin, wrinkly. I didn't. I tried
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to pay as little attention to him as possible during
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that session. I was completely overwhelmed. I it was completely
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took me by surprise, and because of that incident, I
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was exceptionally upset by what was going on, because I
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felt that I had been coerced beforehand, that it had
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been prior arranged to me arriving there. Manager, can you
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describe any other specific key detail of his person that
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you haven't already mentioned, Ransom? I can't remember specific ones
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it was. I just tried to just get it done
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as soon as possible to get out of there. I
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couldn't wait to get out of there quick enough. To
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be honest with you, Manager, did you tell your attorneys
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I recall specific details of his person? Ransom, I think
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I've just described that key detail of this person. Manager.
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Did you say those words to your attorneys when you
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drafted this gurgis objection, asked An answered mcauleay objection, Ransom.
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I do recall specific details which I've given, Manager, and
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they're the ones you've already given. Ransom. I don't, as
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I specified, this was a coerced event that took place.
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I was extremely upset. I did not want to have
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sexual intercourse with Alan, not I don't. I don't remember
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specific I don't remember specific things. I remember redacted me
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paying particular attention to redacted because I didn't want Alan
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touching me. So it was, as I said, it was
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a traumatic experience. I don't remember the finer details of
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Alan Dershowitz's private parts or anything like that. I tried
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to spend as little time as possible touching Alan, and
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I'm sure you can imagine, Menager. How was it coerced, Ransom.
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It was coerced in the same sense that when I
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arrived there, Alan Dershowitz was there and redacted was there.
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It was quite clear to me that was there intention
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after me arriving there, Menager there being aware Ransom Jeffrey's
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New York apartment. Manager, when you arrived at Jeffrey's New
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York apartment, Alan was already there, Ransom, yes, Manager, and
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redacted was already there? Ransom yes, Menager. What were the
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specific key details of the sex acts that you can
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remember that you have not already described? Ransom? There was
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conne lingus involved masturbation. Manager who performed conne lingis on? Who? Ransom?
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We all performed conne lingis on each other, Menager? Did
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you perform connelingis on mister Dershowitz Ransom? Is that the
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same as girls and boys? Yeah? Same definition. Manager. Did
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you perform conne lingis on redacted? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Did
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she perform it on you? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Did mister
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Dershowitz perform it on you? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Did he
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perform it on redacted? Ransom? Yes? Manager? And any other
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specific key details of the sex acts you can describe? Ransom.
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There was a lot of touching, fondling, yeah, Menager. When
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you say Professor Dershowitz's name, you say Dershowitz with a
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V phonetically correct Ransom. I'm slightly dyslexic, and I'm terrible
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with names, so it's known that I've always struggled with pronunciations,
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especially because my accent as well. Do you believe you
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were introduced to him as Dershavitz with a V Ransom?
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I was introduced to him as Alan. Manager. Did you
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ever hear anyone say his last name Ransom? Yes? Menager,
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did you hear those people say it with a V Ransom?
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I can't recall the exact pronunciation of the tongue, but
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the way my years hear words. Perhaps you can contact
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my university. I have difficulty with names, and I'm slightly dyslexic.
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So manager, okay, can you mark this as defendants exhibit
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number five McCauley, because I forgot earlier. Just for the record,
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the plaintiff in the case is going to mark the
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deposition as confidential. Manager. Yes, I discussed it with a
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court reporter and I think he already has, but if not,
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he will do it. McCauley. Okay, Manager. Can you take
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a look at defendant's exhibit number five? Ransom? Yes? Manager.
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Have you seen this document before Ransom? Yes? Manager. Did
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you review it before it was fun? Ransom? Yes? Manager.
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What do you understand this document to be Ransom. This
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is a complaint against Jeffrey Epstein, Manager, anyone else, Ransom, Glean, Maxwell, redacted, redacted,
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redacted and redacted Manager. And this is a complaint that
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you authorized to be filed on your behalf, Ransom. That's correct, Manager.
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And at the end of this complaint you ask for
23:25
money to be awarded to you, correct, Ransom. Can you
23:29
refer me to the specific page, please, Manager. Well, do
23:32
you understand that you were asking for money to be
23:35
awarded to you, Ransom? Can you tell me which page
23:39
that's on, please, Manager. I'm just asking your understanding, Ransom.
23:44
Nothing's been promised to me about money. Manager. Were you
23:47
seeking money when you authorize this complaint to be filed
23:50
on your behalf, Ransom, No, I just wanted a pedophile
23:53
behind bars, really, and for him to stop abusing young girls.
23:57
Seeing as I'm going to be a parent myself, I
24:00
can't really live with myself knowing that there's pedophiles with
24:03
my kids on the planet. So as a responsible human being,
24:06
I thought that I would come forward. Manager, So your
24:10
hope of filing this lawsuit was not to recover any money, Ransom. No,
24:15
I want Jeffrey and Galane and all of these people
24:18
behind bars so I can visit them in jail. Manager.
24:22
In paragraph thirty six of this which is on page eleven,
24:25
can I have your review of that paragraph? Ransom? Yeah, Menager.
24:30
Do you know what that paragraph refers to? Ransom? Yes,
24:34
I do, Menager. What is the basis of your statement
24:37
that defendant redacted reported to defendants redacted and redacted and
24:42
Maxwell and was paid for her recruitment of young females,
24:45
including the recruitment of plaintiff Ransom. She told me face
24:50
to face in person that she was paid by Jeffrey,
24:53
and Jeffrey also offered to pay me five thousand to
24:56
find him a new eighteen year old model PA to
24:58
help him with his multipl million dollar corporation, because she's
25:02
that qualified, Menager. And when you say recruitment of young females,
25:06
you're referring to people who are eighteen Ransom. Yes, Manager,
25:11
And at the time you were in touch with miss redacted,
25:14
you were twenty two, correct, Ransom, that's correct. Manager. Apart
25:18
from what miss redacted told you, do you have any
25:21
other basis for knowing what redacted or reported to redacted
25:25
and redacted and Maxwell and was paid for her recruitment
25:28
of young females, including you, Ransom, what she told me, Menager?
25:33
Apart from what she told you, do you have any
25:35
other basis for that? Ransom? Well, I saw it with
25:38
my own eyes. I was a witness, manager. What did
25:41
you witness? Ransom eyewitnessed the same thing. All the other
25:45
girls did the same thing I had to do was
25:48
go and report to redacted, redacted and redacted and Golane.
25:52
Golaine was the main lady. Redacted, redacted and redacted did
25:56
all the admin like booking flights like a normal PA does.
26:00
Do you understand, Menager, Well, did you get paid for
26:03
recruitment of young females? Ransom? Jeffrey Epstein told me that
26:08
he would give me money to find him a PA
26:10
in South Africa? Menager, You did not find a PA,
26:14
correct Ransom, Absolutely not, Menager. And you did not get
26:18
paid for recruitment of young females, correct Ransom, absolutely not, Menager.
26:24
You say in paragraph thirty seven that you were introduced
26:27
to Ebstein by redacted, correct Ransom, Correct Menager, and Epstein
26:32
confirmed to you that he would use his wealth and
26:34
influence to have you admitted and to fit correct Ransom.
26:38
That's correct, Menager. What did Epstein say to you to
26:41
confirm that he said, I will use my wealth and
26:44
influence to have you admitted, or some other words? Ransom.
26:48
I can't remember the exact conversation, but from the very beginning,
26:52
Jeffrey and Glaine knew what my intentions were and why
26:55
I wanted to stay in New York, which was to
26:58
get a degree. Did Epstein say something to you about
27:02
a similar institute of higher learning offering a curriculum of
27:05
fashion industry training? Ransom, No, I was pretty adamant that
27:10
I wanted to go to FIT. It's one of the
27:12
best fashion schools. So, Manager, in paragraph thirty eight, you
27:16
say Maxwell told you that you would need to provide
27:18
Epstein with body massages in order to reap the benefits
27:22
of his and her connections. Ransom. Well, the fact that
27:26
she told me that I had to weigh fifty two
27:29
kilos in order for them to pay for my education.
27:32
That was pretty That was one of the conversations that
27:34
she had with me. Menager, does that have something to
27:38
do with body massages? Ransom? Can you repeat? Let me
27:41
read the question again, So I would like to just
27:44
clarify body massages meant sex. Okay, that's like a keyword
27:48
for sex. So as soon as you stop having sex
27:51
with Jeffrey and his friends and his girls, you're out,
27:54
because otherwise there's no reason for you to be associated
27:57
with Jeffrey, because you're just there to have sex with them. So, Menager,
28:02
can I direct your attention to the first sentence in
28:05
paragraph thirty eight, and can you just explain to me
28:08
when that conversation took place? Gergis objection to form Ransom
28:13
first time I met Elaine from the very first beginning Manager,
28:17
What did Delaine say to you, Ransom? I can't remember
28:20
the specific conversation, but the fact that she helped me
28:23
refine my massage skills to satisfy Jeffrey. I think it's
28:26
pretty self explanatory, Menager, the one you described earlier, Ransom,
28:32
the one I described earlier, Menager, Okay. In the second sentence,
28:36
where it says, Maxwell and Epstein also threatened plaintiff that
28:40
while they had the ability to advance her education and
28:43
her career, they also had the ability to make sure
28:46
that she would obtain no formal education or modeling agency
28:50
contracts if she failed to provide the sexual favors desired
28:54
by defendant Epstein or abide by the instructions given to
28:57
her by defendants Epstein and Maxwell. Ransom, Yeah, Manager, what
29:03
did miss Maxwell say to you that gave rise to
29:06
this particular statement? Ransom? Well, the fact that she used
29:10
to personally call me herself to give Jeffrey sexual massages,
29:14
not body massages, sexual massages. It should be rephrased. I
29:19
mean it was pretty obvious. I mean, the whole weight thing.
29:22
I tried to swim off the island. I tried to
29:24
escape from the island during the evening to try to
29:26
escape from her, because if I didn't lose weight, they
29:29
would cut me out of their financially off I would
29:33
lose the place that I was staying at, I would
29:35
lose my education, you name it. They bullied me with everything,
29:38
just like they did with the other girls. Manager in
29:41
paragraph thirty eight, you say Maxwell and Epstein also threatened plaintiff.
29:46
What was the threat that was made to you by
29:49
Maxwell mcauleay, objection asked and answered, Ransom, the fact that
29:54
I would lose everything that they had promised me. They
29:57
were really naughty. You know. They took girls from very
30:00
where he underprivileged families. They gave them accommodation. They gave
30:03
them food, gave them money for transportation, you know, private planes,
30:08
et cetera, et cetera. So if I didn't have sex
30:10
with Jeffrey, I would be homeless and starving in New York.
30:14
So and my dream of getting a full time education
30:17
at one of the top fashion institutes in the world
30:19
would be diminished. And that's what he held over my head,
30:22
exactly like he did with redacted and the other girls.
30:26
He was paying for all of their educations. Manager, how
30:29
do you know that ransom? Because they were telling me
30:32
it was common knowledge amongst all the girls. No other
30:35
girl would be there willingly just to have sect with Jeffrey. Manager.
30:39
In paragraph forty, you say Maxwell instructed plaintiff had a
30:43
massage Epstein using the techniques that he preferred. Ransom, Correct, Manager,
30:49
is that the accident you described earlier on the island ransom?
30:53
There were many times that she gave me massage techniques
30:55
to help refine my technique. Epstein was all about massages
30:59
and the techniques. He liked as many girls touching him
31:02
as possible all the time. So there was more than
31:05
one occasion that Glaine showed me how to massage them.
31:08
It could have been on that specific trip or the
31:11
other one. I'm not sure day time, what seed I
31:15
was sitting in, what color the seed is, but she,
31:18
on more than one occasion, showed me how to massage
31:20
Jeffrey and how to get out the extreme knots in
31:22
his body, because everyone knows about his knots and how
31:25
he likes them to pop, and yeah, the specific techniques
31:28
that he likes, Menager. The next sentence reads, during plaintiffs
31:32
first massage, defended Epstein converted it into a sexual act.
31:36
And it goes on your first massage that defendant Epstein
31:40
converted into a sexual act was prior to you meeting
31:43
Miss Maxwell. Correct. Ransom, Yes, Menager, I'm going to show
31:48
you defendants Exhibit six, which are some photographs. Defendants Exhibit
31:52
six bait stamped Ransom zero zero zero zero one seven
31:56
was marked for identification. Manager. Do you recognize the photographs
32:01
contained in defendants Exhibit number six? Ransom? Yes, I do, Manager,
32:06
What are they? Ransom? They are photos of Jeffrey's island
32:10
and the trip in December. Manager who took the photos
32:14
Ransom redacted took these specific photos, Manager, and when you
32:18
were asked to provide these to us. Where did you
32:20
locate them? Ransom? I had a disc that redacted had
32:24
given to me as a present and memento of that holiday. Manager.
32:29
Where's that disc now? Ransom in Spain? Manager. Do you
32:33
see in the corner there are some little numbers with
32:35
your last name and then some Ransom. Yeah, Manager, I'm
32:39
only showing you that so we can together go through
32:41
to some Ransom. Okay, Manager, So if I could ask
32:45
you to turn to well, the first ones show Ransom redacted,
32:49
redacted or redacted his kite surfing. Manager, got it? Ransom? Yeah,
32:54
that's redacted. Manager. How do you know that that's redacted
32:58
Ransom because he came for lunch that day and redacted redacted? Hi,
33:01
I'm redacted. Hi redacted? Manager. Did you have any sexual
33:06
relations with redacted Ransom? No? Menager, If you could turn
33:10
to the one that says Ransom twenty two in the corner,
33:13
it's about five or six pages back Ransom. Yes, Manager.
33:17
Who is that in the photograph? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And
33:21
who was the other person? Ransom? That's me Manager? And
33:25
when was this photo taken? Ransom? This was taken during
33:30
the December trip. Manager, Was there only one trip in December,
33:34
Ransom from what I recall, Yeah, Manager, was that the
33:38
first trip that you had taken Ransom? No, Menager, When
33:42
was the first trip you had taken Ransom? I answered
33:44
that previously, which was not so long after I met Jeffrey,
33:48
after the first time, So I had been there various
33:51
times before these were taken, Menager. Do you know how
33:54
many Ransom, like I said earlier, several? I mean, I, Menager?
34:00
And can you turn to Ransom twenty four Ransom? Yeah, Manager,
34:04
and who is that Ransom? That's the wonderful redacted? Manager?
34:08
Did you take these photographs Ransom? No, redacted took these ones, Manager,
34:14
all of them? Ransom. There were I had other photos
34:17
as well, Menager, that came later, a separate batch. Ransom. Yeah,
34:22
those are the hard copies, Menager. I will market now
34:26
the second batch defendants, Exhibit number seven. Manager. I apologize, counsel,
34:31
we just got these last night, so I only have
34:34
one copy for the witness Gurgis. That's fine, Menager, So
34:38
is defendant's Exhibit seven, the second batch that you were
34:41
referring to, Ransom. Yes, Menager, Okay, so I'm just trying
34:45
to help be clear. Defendants exhibit six. You believe we're
34:49
all given to you by redacted on a disc. Ransom, Well,
34:53
there's a lot of photos here, so I took some.
34:55
I had some hard copies, and they're all actually all together.
34:58
So Man, okay, that's fine. Ransom. Yeah, I don't want
35:03
to be unclear on which exhibit is which. There's hundreds there. Manager.
35:07
So the photograph of redacted that you're saying we're taken
35:10
by redacted that we are looking at in Ransom twenty four, Ransom, Well,
35:16
I can recheck the disc and then I can actually
35:18
tell you exactly which ones he took. But I can't
35:21
recall every single photo on Redacted's disc, but there were
35:25
multiple photos that were produced from myself as well. Manager, Okay,
35:29
I'll just ask about a few. Ransom, Okay, Ransom twenty
35:33
four is the one that you said was of redacted
35:35
and redacted was one you said you thought redacted had taken? Ransom? Yes, Manager,
35:41
And if you can turn to Ransom forty and these
35:43
are in order, so hopefully that will be easy. Ransom, okay, Manager,
35:48
who is represented in this photograph? Ransom, that's redacted? Manager?
35:53
And where is redacted in this photograph? If you know, Ransom,
35:57
this is by the beach. There's like a like there's
36:01
a beach house on the beach front. Manager. Do you
36:04
know who took this photograph? Ransom? I can't remember, Manager, Okay,
36:08
turning to a couple more pages to Ransom forty two.
36:11
Who was that? Ransom? That's me? Menager? Are you smoking? Ransom?
36:15
I am? And that was after the argument that I
36:18
had with Jeffrey about me being on lithium and me
36:21
not being able to smoke, and that was the reason
36:24
I was really upset that I couldn't smoke and that
36:27
I was being put on a stupid diet. So Jeffrey, yeah,
36:30
Jeffrey said it was okay for me to smoke. I
36:33
wasn't allowed to smoke in front of him. That was
36:35
the rule. Manager. Do you know who took this photograph? Ransom?
36:39
I don't remember who took this photograph? Manager. Is it
36:43
on the same trip in December? Ransom? Yes? Menager, turning
36:47
the next page. Is that also you and redacted? Ransom?
36:51
That's correct, Menager. Do you know who took this photograph? Ransom?
36:55
I can't remember, Menager. Was it also in the same
36:59
timeframe when you were upset Ransom, it was that same
37:02
December trip. Yes, Manager, we can go off the record
37:06
for just a minute. I think we're swapping out council,
37:09
all right, So we're gonna take a break right here too,
37:11
And in the next episode we'll pick up where we
37:13
left off. All of the information that goes with this
37:16
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
37:21
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
37:24
we're gonna pick up where we left off with the
37:27
Sarah Ransom deposition. And in that last episode we finished
37:32
off with there being a change in council. So Sigarett
37:36
McAuley leaves the hearing and miss sayed enters. Manager. Looking
37:41
at Ransom forty four, you're saying it's in the same
37:44
time period Ransom, Yeah, Manager, And also true of forty
37:49
five Ransom, Yes, Manager, and forty seven Ransom. Yes, it
37:54
was the same trip, same holiday, the same trip, Manager.
37:57
And you know who took these photographs Ransome, I don't remember, Manager.
38:02
Is that also true for forty eight, forty nine, fifty
38:05
fifty one and fifty two Ransom? I don't remember who
38:09
took those photos? Manager, Okay, can you tell from fifty
38:12
two where you were situated on the island, Ransom, It
38:16
was on the beach. Manager fifty three, can you tell
38:19
me where that is? Ransom? That's redacted? Manager fifty four
38:24
and fifty five also redacted, Ransom, that's correct, Manager sixty nine.
38:29
Who is that Ransom? That's Jeffrey Epstein. Manager. Do you
38:32
know who took this photo? Ransom? I can't remember who
38:35
took this photo? Manager seventy one. Is that you Ransom?
38:40
That's correct? Manager. Were you posing for the photograph? Ransom?
38:44
Most people pose for photographs every photograph, so I presume
38:47
I was posing. Manager. Do you know what redacted's line
38:51
of work is? Ransom? I think he's with modeling or
38:55
something like a modeling agent. Menager, do you know where
38:57
he's based? Ransom? I have no idea where he's based. Manager.
39:01
Did you meet him more than once? Ransom? I can't
39:04
remember if I met him more than once. Manager. Did
39:06
you have sexual contact with them? Ransom? No? Manager. Did
39:10
you give him a massage? Ransom? No? Manager? Sorry? Going
39:14
back a little bit further to Ransom one twenty one, Ransom, yeah, Manager.
39:19
Who is in that photo? Ransom? That's redacted and redacted? Manager? Okay,
39:24
So redacted's on the left, Ransom, that's correct, Manager, And
39:30
that's redacted on the right, Ransom, correct? Menager? Do you
39:33
know what they were doing? Ransom? I would love to
39:36
know what they're doing myself personally. Manager, did you take
39:40
this photograph? Ransom? I can't remember, Manager turning to one
39:44
twenty three? Do you know what is happening in that photograph? Ransom?
39:49
I think we were just playing around. I don't think
39:51
it was serious, you know, Menager? Okay, Ransom. Just to
39:55
make that clear, Manager, can I have you look at
39:57
one twenty six? Ransom? Yeah? Manager? Who is that in
40:00
the photograph? Ransom? That's redacted and redacted? Manager? And redacted
40:05
is in the background, Ransom. That's correct, Menager? On one
40:09
twenty seven Ransom? Yeah, Manager, who's in that photograph? Ransom
40:14
to the right, sorry, to the left, it's myself redacted
40:17
and then redacted. Manager. Is this on the same December trip? Ransom?
40:22
That's correct? Menager. When did redacted give you the disc? Ransom?
40:27
I can't remember when he gave me that disc. Manager.
40:31
Do you know if these photographs are the ones that
40:34
he took? Ransom? They were photos that were taken during
40:37
our holiday together. And they were given to me as
40:39
a memento as a present from redacted Manager in person, Ransom,
40:44
I can't remember. Manager. Do you recall the tortoise? Ransom,
40:48
I can't remember the tortoise? Manager, apart from redacted and
40:52
redacted and redacted and yourself and redacted, do you remember
40:56
anyone else being on this particular trip, Ransom? There were
41:00
there were quite a few people that visited the island.
41:02
I don't remember their names, Menager. Can I have you
41:05
look at one thirty eight? Ransom? Yeah? Manager? Do you
41:08
know who took that photo? Ransom? I don't know who
41:11
took that photo. Manager. Do you know when it was taken? Ransom?
41:15
It was taken that December trip that I took with
41:17
Golaine and Jeffrey. Manager. And how do you know that, Ransom,
41:21
because I remember what she was wearing, and I was there.
41:25
I was there in person, like I was there, Manager.
41:28
So you saw on the island wearing those clothes, Ransom,
41:32
I saw on the island wearing those clothes, Menager. Did
41:35
you see her sitting in this position while on the island, Ransom,
41:39
I saw her with my own eyes sitting in this position.
41:42
I was probably sitting next to her manager. But you
41:46
don't know if you took the photograph or someone else, Ransom,
41:50
you know what photos or photos. I don't remember if
41:52
I took the photo or if someone else took the photo.
41:55
All I remember is I was with Golaane on this trip.
41:58
I was probably sitting next to her in this photo.
42:01
I don't know who, which specific girl took the photo, Menager.
42:04
Do you know if it was a girl who took
42:06
the photo, Ransom, I have no idea who took the photo.
42:10
I just remember sitting there and remember being next to
42:13
Golaine while she was wearing that outfit. I was there
42:16
during that timeframe, Menager, Ransom, one thirty nine. Who is that?
42:20
If you know, Ransom? That is redacted after she had
42:24
a shower, and she's in Victoria's secret pajamas that were
42:27
supplied to us. Menager, they were supplied to you, Ransom. Yes,
42:32
all of the outfits. There were clothes that were provided
42:35
on the island by Jeffrey Epstein, which were all Victoria's
42:38
secret clothing, bikinis, NightWare. Menager, you're talking about the flannel pajamas, Ransom, Yes, Menager,
42:46
page one, p. Forty. Do you know who took this photograph, Ransom.
42:50
I don't remember taking this photo, but I remember that
42:53
very well because we are doing mosaic on that table.
42:57
We are busy doing a fish, so that's what all
42:59
the are apparatuses of. We were doing mosaics. So I
43:03
don't remember if I took that photo, but I remember
43:06
I was there because we were all doing mosaics. Menager
43:10
one forty two. Ransom, Uh huh, Menager, do you remember
43:14
who took that photograph? Ransom? I can't remember. Oh the BlackBerry.
43:19
I can't remember who took all these photos when I
43:21
was there. You can see the mosaics that we were
43:24
doing together, Menager. Do you still have that mosaic? Ransom? No,
43:28
it was on the big table that she's sitting at
43:31
the large table, so we actually stuck the mosaic on
43:34
the table. Menager one forty three. Do you know who
43:37
took that? Ransom? No, we were all there together, Meninger.
43:41
Going through the rest, do you see any that you
43:43
know who took the photo? Ransom? No, Gurgis take your
43:47
time and look at each of them. Don't just take
43:50
your time. We can take a break for just a minute.
43:53
So they take a quick break. They come back, Meninger.
43:55
Did you have a chance to look through the rest
43:57
of the photos in defendants exhibits? Ransom? No, because I
44:01
took a break, so I will continue now, Menager. Sure, Ransom.
44:06
I can't remember who took these photos. It was during
44:09
all the same trip, Menager. It was what Ransom? It
44:13
was during that same trip, Menager. Can I have you
44:16
take a look at Ransom one fifty four. It's one
44:18
of the last few of that exhibit. Ransom, yes, Menager.
44:23
Do you know where that photograph was taken? Ransom? I
44:26
can't remember, Menager. Do you know if you were there? Ransom?
44:30
I can't remember, Menager. Does it appear to be inside
44:33
of a shop? Ransom? It appears to be that way. Menager.
44:36
Do you recall going to any shops on that trip? Ransom.
44:40
I went everywhere with jeffreyso Menager, did that include shops? Ransom? Yes? Menager.
44:46
Do you recall this shop, Ransom? There were many shops
44:49
that we visited. I can't recall this specific shop. Do
44:53
you know who this gentleman is? Menager? Ass Ransom. I
44:56
can't remember his name, Menager. And by gentlemen, I mean
44:59
the person on the left. Ransom thank you for clarifying that. No,
45:04
I don't recall. I don't know who this is, Jeffrey.
45:06
Jeffrey's on the right. I don't know the name. I
45:09
can't remember the name of this guy. Menager wearing a belt,
45:13
Ransom trying on a belt, Yeah, Menager, Okay. Turning to defendants,
45:17
Exhibit number seven, Ransom, Yes, Menager. Do you recognize these photographs? Ransom?
45:23
I remember this photograph, the first one, very well. Menager.
45:26
What is it, Ransom? It's a box. It's a box
45:29
of condoms that were placed around the island for the
45:31
guests to use at their leisure. Menager, were you on
45:34
the island? Was this one? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager.
45:39
Did you take the photograph? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager.
45:43
Do you have this photograph at your house now, Ransom,
45:46
I'll have to recheck. I can't remember where this photo
45:49
came from, if it was either on the disc or
45:52
by myself, but it was. I recognized the box. There
45:55
were boxes like this but everywhere, Meninger. Did you have
45:58
any photographs contain on your computer? Ransom? No, Manager, were
46:03
there photographs that you gathered together to produce Ransom? You've
46:07
got them all there. I just need to all the
46:09
photos that I have. You guys have so I don't know. Manager,
46:13
where were they? Where did you find them? Ransom? My photos? Manager? Yes,
46:17
Ransom in my storage? Manager, Where is that? Ransom? It
46:21
was in England. It was in my private box where
46:24
I keep all my photos from you know when I
46:26
was a baby to now. Manager, Is that with your mother? Ransom? No,
46:30
that wasn't with my mother. Manager. Where's that storage in London? Ransom?
46:36
The storage was in Ramsgay, Manager, And where did it go? Ransom?
46:41
It's now in my current residency in Spain. Manager. When
46:45
you gather the photos together and gave them to your
46:47
lawyer to give to us, did you gather them in
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Spain or in London? Ransom? My stuff was in London
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and I moved to Barcelona. I was currently staying in
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Barcelona with redacted and we were just going to commute
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between Saying and Barcelona. When I came forward. I knew
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that I had photos that I had taken, and I
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knew that I had materials at the same time. Is
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during that same time I contacted Maureen Callahan. When I
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contacted Maureen Callahan, there were people that were following me
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in Barcelona, and I got scared. I then contacted my
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estate agent. I got my entire flat picked up in St.
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Albans and moved to Spain. I was too frightened to
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actually fly back myself to pack, and so I stayed
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in Barcelona and a company packed my things for me
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and brought them to me. Manager, Okay, so they were
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in st Albans. You had them all packed up and
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sent to you in Barcelona where you relocated. Ransom, that's correct, Menager.
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When you were interacting with Miss Callahan, did you send
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her any photographs? Ransom? Sorry? Sorry? Who is Miss Callahan? Sorry?
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I'm just really tired. I'm really bad with names. Callahan
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first name? Please? Manager, do you know who Miss Callahan is? Ransom?
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It's really late. I've had a really long day, and
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I've said numerous times throughout the day that I'm slightly
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dyslexic and I can have difficulty with names. Can you
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just tell me Miss Callahan's first name so I can
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answer the question, please, Menager? Is miss Callahan the name
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of the individual that you said worked for the New
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York Post? Ransom? Oh? Sorry, Maureen Callahan? Yes, Menager, did
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you send miss Callahan any photographs, Ransom, not of this, No,
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not of this? Menager. Did you send her photographs of
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something else? Ransom? I did. I sent her a photo
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of We got a whole block of redactions here. And
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then it goes back to Menager. Why did you send
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miss Callahan a photograph of redacted? Ransom? Because I wanted
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to show her I was telling the truth about everything.
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I didn't want to send a journalist anything regarding Jeffrey Epstein,
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because I will. I sent her a picture of redacted
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to show her that I was telling my story, that
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my story was straight from the beginning redacted, redacted, etc.
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So yeah, and then Menager's whole entire comment redacted. Next
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time it picks up, it's Menager asking again, Menager, apart
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from the photographs redacted, did you send Miss Callahan any
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other documents or photographs? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. Did
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you have contact with any other media person? Ransom? I
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can't remember. Menager. Did you meet with anyone from the
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Daily Mail? Ransom? No? Menager from the Mirror? Ransom, No, Menager.
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Did you speak to anyone from the Daily Mail? Ransom?
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No Menager from the Mirror? Ransom no menager, the Independent, Ransom,
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no menager, the Guardian, Ransom, no menager. When you got
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these boxes of items from Saint Albans and you looked
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at them while you were in Barcelona, is that right?
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She starts to answer the question, but Gergis interrupts objection.
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Then Ransom resumes, I looked at them. I vaguely went
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through the photos in Saint Albans. I knew what was there. Yeah,
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they were there, so I saw them. I went through
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my photos, like all my memorabilia that had been in storage.
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But that's about it. Manager, and you selected photographs to
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send to your lawyers to give to us, correct, Ransom.
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I was asked to well, I just provided every all
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the evidence I had. Manager, When did you do that? Gurgis,
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I'm going to object if you're talking about communication between
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client and counsel, is that what you're asking for, Manager, No,
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I'm asking when did you provide all of your evidence?
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Which is what she said she did, Gurgis, the photos
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you mean when she provided them to her council. Manager. Yes, Manager,
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when did you provide them to your counsel? Gurgis objection,
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Do not answer, Manager, did you receive a subpoena, Ransom.
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I don't know what a subpoena is. Manager, Let's mark
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defendants Exhibit number eight. Manager, have you seen this document before? Ransom?
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Let me just have a look. Okay, I don't remember, Manager,
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have you seen this document before? Gurgis objection asked and
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answered Manager, I'm sorry I didn't hear an answer, Ransom.
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I've seen various papers. I remember specifically seeing the depositions.
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There's been millions of documents. I can't remember which specific
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documents I've seen. Manager, Okay, if I could, have you
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turned to the last three pages where it says documents
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to be produced? Ransom? Yeah, Manager, have you seen that
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list before? Ransom? Yes, I have. Manager. Did you conduct
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a search of your records to produce documents? Ransom? Yes,
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I believe that I produced every single document I can. Manager,
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after looking at this list, did you go back and
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look through your photographs in Barcelona? Ransom? As I've said,
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I looked at everything I had during that timeframe, and
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I produced everything I can during that timeframe that I
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was with Jeffrey. Manager, just tell me what you did
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in order to make sure you had produced everything that
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was called for us in this list, Ransom, Okay, So
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I went through a box of about five thousand photos
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that I had, and I went through every single photo,
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every single day, everything that I had. I went through
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all my emails. I tried to look for the BlackBerry
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sim card which I had hoped that I had kept,
52:06
which had all the Gland's messages on and Jeffrey's and redacted's,
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and stupidly I misplaced that, which is really annoying. But
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I myself, you know, considering my objective is to get
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these people and to get justice for the abuse that
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Klang caused me and Jeffrey. I have given as sufficient
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evidence that I have. Manager. Did you look for all
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of the photographs taken by you, or containing any images
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of you at or near any home, business, private vehicle,
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or any other property owned or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein
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as indicated in paragraphs seven? Ransom? Yes, Manager. Likewise, in
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paragraph eight, did you look for any photographs that depict
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any home, business, private vehicle, or any other property owned
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or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein? Ransom, Yes, Manager, And you
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did that after reviewing this list of documents, Ransom, Yeah,
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I mean I received the list and I've complied with everything.
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I have given absolutely everything that I have to you guys. Manager,
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Have you given all of your passports, travel visas, or
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permissions to live, work, or study in other countries? Ransom?
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I haven't given my current passports, but I've given everything
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that I have, documents, passports that I had during commercial
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plane tickets. Manager. Do you have any visas? Ransom? I
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have a visa coming here, but that's the only visa
53:24
that I have. Manager. Do you have any visa applications? Ransom? No? Manager.
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Do you have any other plane tickets or boarding passes
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for the period of two thousand and six to two
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thousand and seven? Ransom? No. All right, folks, we're gonna
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wrap up right here, and then the next episode we'll
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pick up where we left off. All of the information
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that goes with this episode can be found in the
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description box.