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Bucky on Kicker Influence and Player Mindsets | Huddle Up: Wednesday, May 31 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your
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Speaker 2: We're not done.
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Speaker 3: We're going to continue to work to build this team
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now.
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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. It is Wednesday, May
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Speaker 2: thirty first, JP Shadrick, NFL Network analyst, Bucky Brooks, Jaguars
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Speaker 2: or wherever you download your pods. It's the final day
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Speaker 2: of May. Hurricane season officially starts tomorrow, June first. We're
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Speaker 2: in the heat of the summer.
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Speaker 4: John, Yeah, and.
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Speaker 5: I didn't know that about hurricane season, so now I
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Speaker 5: know that, and now we can talk on football.
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Speaker 2: I think it's like tax free weekend, Buckierre over here.
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Speaker 2: You guys don't worry about that in La too much,
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Speaker 2: but over here. You got a hurricane preparedness is a
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Speaker 2: big deal, man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big I was also, like John, I
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Speaker 3: was unaware about it being the first day of hurricane season.
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Speaker 3: That is a I guess that's kind of frightening for
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Speaker 3: me coming on the west coast. I don't know much
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Speaker 3: about the hurricane stuff. That's that's kind of crazy.
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Speaker 4: Hey, you grew up in North Carolina. You know all
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Speaker 4: that hurricanes, but.
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Speaker 5: You weren't on a little bit on the east coast
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Speaker 5: of North Carolina where they're pretty much weekly.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they they are there. That's why
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Speaker 3: the hockey team is called the Hurricanes. But I didn't
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Speaker 3: see it a lot. I think the last one I
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Speaker 3: saw maybe Hurricane fran If that was something, it was
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Speaker 3: fran El Nino.
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Speaker 6: Those those are the one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, El Nino is not a hurricane.
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Speaker 4: It's not hurricanes. It's a cycle of what's a weather term,
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Speaker 4: which which gets you? I guess in the hurricane rain,
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Speaker 4: E'm going to drop Jets.
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Speaker 5: It's Yankees and basketball are both sports terms so.
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Speaker 4: Much the same one.
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Speaker 2: Hey, well, let's get back to something that isn't ar Lane,
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Speaker 2: and that's Jaguars football. Of course, Phase three organized team activities. Well,
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Speaker 2: camer Robinson is out there. That's been a storyline this week.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't out there in the open practice last week.
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Speaker 2: He was out there the next day last week, so
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Speaker 2: he's been around. It was the first time I think
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Speaker 2: the media has been able to see him out there,
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Speaker 2: only having Ingram Josh Allen not at attendance. That's the
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Speaker 2: good news, Bucky. Everybody pretty much is here and they're
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of work done.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, it's great to have maximum attendants. I mean, when
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Speaker 3: you get that kind of commitment from the team, even
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Speaker 3: though it's a volunteer, you love where he's trending and loud.
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Speaker 3: Doug has been really good about saying, hey, these things
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Speaker 3: are voluntary or whatever, but when players show up, he
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Speaker 3: really means something to the team that everyone is there,
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Speaker 3: that they're all working, they're trying to get on.
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Speaker 6: The same page.
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Speaker 3: Look, it may not mean anything and we can get
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Speaker 3: to the regular season, but certainly for the chemistry and
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Speaker 3: the camaraderie, it's good to have everyone in the building.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the cam thing shows you the overplayed nature of
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Speaker 5: these things sometimes. First of all, the media is not
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Speaker 5: there every day, so you report one day makes it
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Speaker 5: look like he's not there for the whole time. Second
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Speaker 5: of all, as a veteran, again, I have zero problem
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Speaker 5: with Josh Allen being here. I've I think I've got
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Speaker 5: to know him a little bit over the last few years.
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Speaker 5: There's no doubt that he is somewhere working, you know,
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Speaker 5: and that is what you're supposed to be able to
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Speaker 5: do in the OSE program. It's why they're voluntary. So
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Speaker 5: I think most it's good if most of the team
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Speaker 5: is here. If one or two experienced veterans who prepare
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Speaker 5: in a different way aren't here, especially at a pass
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Speaker 5: rush position or even left tackle, how much of those
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Speaker 5: guys really getting out of this individually? Quarterbacks, skill guys,
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Speaker 5: defensive backs love to have him here. Beyond that, I'm
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Speaker 5: all right with it.
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Speaker 2: Well here from I'm one of those skill guys. Coming
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Speaker 2: up in just a little bit, Calvin Ridley and see
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Speaker 2: how he's moving along in this offseason program. There's a
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Speaker 2: new kicker in Randon McManus, cut from the Broncos, tenth
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Speaker 2: year pro signed by the Jags. In his previous nine
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Speaker 2: years eighty one percent kicker forty of seventy two from
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Speaker 2: fifty plus, So why Jacksonville for McManus.
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Speaker 7: One of the team's up and coming. You know, I'm
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Speaker 7: winning the NFC South last year, you know, obviously incredible
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Speaker 7: comeback in the playoff game as well. It's been a
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Speaker 7: long time since I've been in the playoffs, you know,
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Speaker 7: my first two years in the league. And you know,
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Speaker 7: you get a chance to get back there. You know,
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Speaker 7: everyone dreams of kicking game winning field goals are described,
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Speaker 7: but it's also even better to be in the playoffs
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Speaker 7: doing those things. And so I thrive on those scenarios.
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Speaker 7: And so I wanted to come to a team. Obviously
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Speaker 7: I watched Doug you know when the whin the Super
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Speaker 7: Bowl with the Eagles, and so with a great tradition,
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Speaker 7: he's got, you know, building here and a great organization,
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Speaker 7: a great place to live, you know, from my family,
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Speaker 7: and I said, I was trying to bring my leadership
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Speaker 7: and my tenure here to put us over the edge.
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Speaker 2: His career long sixty one yards that came in Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles on the road in twenty twenty one. But he's
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Speaker 2: over his career better on the road than he was
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Speaker 2: in Denver. Oddly enough, percentage wise, eighty five percent on
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Speaker 2: the road and field goals seventy nine percent a mile high.
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Speaker 5: John Bucky, you know you're not in Duvall. You're out
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Speaker 5: in LA paying big time state taxes. So what was
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Speaker 5: your reaction? You know there has been a reaction among
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Speaker 5: some fans here just shocked at this. To me, this
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Speaker 5: was a very logical move once mcmahonus came available.
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Speaker 4: Tell me what you thought of it now.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think you're always trying to get better.
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Speaker 3: I think what people have to understand, whatever happened the
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Speaker 3: previous year doesn't mean that you're guaranteed the spot the
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Speaker 3: next year. Roley Patterson came through with a clutch kick,
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Speaker 3: a handful of kicks. But Doug always wanted better, always
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Speaker 3: wanted to upgrade. What you want is someone who is
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Speaker 3: nails when the ball reaches the thirty five or the
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Speaker 3: forty yard line. You want to be able to attack
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Speaker 3: those three points up on the board and feel good
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Speaker 3: about it. There's something about having a veteran who has
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Speaker 3: done in the way that McManus has done it that
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Speaker 3: is comforting to the coaching staff. Also, you heard, like
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Speaker 3: just in terms of people talking about the kickoff, you know,
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Speaker 3: the new rule with the kickoff, like in fair catches
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Speaker 3: in those things, you want to be able to use
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Speaker 3: all aspects of the kicking game to your advantagement. Manus
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Speaker 3: gives you an opportunity to do that, and Roddy Patterson
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Speaker 3: did some great things there. But if you have an
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Speaker 3: opportunity to upgrade a position, you're always looking to upgrade
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Speaker 3: a position.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked Riley Patterson. I thought that as you
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Speaker 5: watch kickers over the course of time doing this twenty
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Speaker 5: five years, there are kickers that you feel like are
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Speaker 5: moving toward being nails. I feel like Rilly's got a
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Speaker 5: shot at that his legs strength probably about four or
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Speaker 5: five yards.
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Speaker 4: Less than you would like it. That's a guess. That's
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Speaker 4: not an analytical thing.
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Speaker 5: But it felt like they were not in field goal
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Speaker 5: range a little longer than a lot of teams, if
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Speaker 5: that makes any sense. I didn't say that, well, but
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Speaker 5: they had to get a little closer to be within
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Speaker 5: his range where he felt like he was nails. Nails
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Speaker 5: is a Bucky term, right. He doesn't know Elino, but
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Speaker 5: he knows nails. So I just felt like watching Riley
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Speaker 5: last year that you were watching a guy who was
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Speaker 5: still working toward being that absolute trust kicker that coaches want,
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Speaker 5: and I feel like when they looked at film I'm
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Speaker 5: sure looked at every kick that mcmahus has ever made,
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Speaker 5: I think they feel like there's a greater level of
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Speaker 5: trust at the kicker position, and especially where Riley was
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Speaker 5: in his career. I just didn't see this as a
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Speaker 5: high risk move.
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Speaker 3: Yeah know, I think you certainly want to do that,
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Speaker 3: and you have to understand how, let's say, offensive minded
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Speaker 3: head coaches think. Offensive minded head coaches are always thinking
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Speaker 3: about points, scoring zone and how it impacts the way
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Speaker 3: they have to call plays. So when you point to
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Speaker 3: or allude to Riley Patterson maybe not having the strongest leg,
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Speaker 3: it really cuts down the field of the scoring zone
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Speaker 3: for Doug Peterson. So now play calls that you're like, hey,
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Speaker 3: if I get to the forty we're pretty much assured
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Speaker 3: of getting three points. Well for Roley, maybe we got
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Speaker 3: to get to the thirty yard line, So now the
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Speaker 3: field go will be forty seven yards and that might
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Speaker 3: be good, but those ten extra yards mean a lot,
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Speaker 3: particularly when you're playing.
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Speaker 6: Against good defenses.
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Speaker 3: It changes the way that you stack your call sheet
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Speaker 3: and all those other things. And so by having maybe
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Speaker 3: an upgraded kicker It allows Doug a little more freedom
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Speaker 3: when it comes to how he designs his game plans,
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Speaker 3: how he sets the call sheet, and how he attacks
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Speaker 3: the defense, knowing if I get to this area to field,
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty much assured of three points.
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Speaker 2: John, think about that playoff game. Yeah, the kicks fading right,
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Speaker 2: if they're five seven yards further back, that might drift
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Speaker 2: outside the upright.
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Speaker 5: And you referenced exactly what I, uh, where I was
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Speaker 5: going with it before the ETN run, which is twenty
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Speaker 5: five yard run. I can remember sitting in the press
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Speaker 5: box thinking they're going forward on fourth and one, right
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Speaker 5: in that range where the ETN run happened. I'm not
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Speaker 5: looking at the status sheet, but I remember the feeling of,
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Speaker 5: you know, they're not quite close enough, and with a
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Speaker 5: stronger legged kicker, they might be close enough. And maybe
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Speaker 5: I may be remembering that exactly dead on, but I
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Speaker 5: remember thinking that I don't know if he has confidence
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Speaker 5: from him here and he needs to get a little close.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: That's the kind of moment in real life that I
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Speaker 5: think Bucky's getting at. I guess say I was expecting
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Speaker 5: the move, but once it happened, he started looking at it.
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Speaker 5: It made perfect sense. And we're not even really talking
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Speaker 5: about the uh the legs strength that Dug and Heath
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Speaker 5: we're talking about yesterday, which he just got a stronger
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Speaker 5: light and I think that was really what overwent. You know,
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Speaker 5: I was going for it more based on Robby had
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Speaker 5: some shaky moments last year. Not a lot he was,
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Speaker 5: but you didn't always feel like, Okay, he's gonna be
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Speaker 5: just money coming in. When you had the leg strength
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Speaker 5: onto it, I think it made a pretty easy decision
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Speaker 5: for them.
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Speaker 6: All Right.
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Speaker 2: This is the Huddle Up Podcast where talking special teams early.
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Speaker 2: Coming up in just a little bit, we'll hear from
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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, Jaguars wide receiver and get his thoughts in
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Speaker 2: the offseason, and Devin Lloyd on his approach going into
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Speaker 2: season number two in the NFL. Another topic this week,
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Speaker 2: Bucky the discussion of the new fair catch rule on kickoffs. Well,
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Speaker 2: I asked McManus after practice, he's not for it, citing
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Speaker 2: the product and players who make their livelihood on special teams.
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Speaker 2: But it's what it is. I'll have to adjust to it.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: They also asked special teams coordinator Heath Farwell about it yesterday.
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Speaker 8: Obviously as a special teams coaches got together. It wasn't
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Speaker 8: exactly what we were looking for, but as the game evolves,
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Speaker 8: we got to evolve right there with it. So it's
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Speaker 8: something my assist and I, Luke Thompson, have really looked
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Speaker 8: into this offseason and we'll continue to look throughout training camp.
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Speaker 6: What are the keys to it?
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Speaker 8: What are the you know, we have to study all
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Speaker 8: the college tape, that's what they've been doing for a
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Speaker 8: couple of years and reaching out to those buddies that
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Speaker 8: are in that game, uh to kind of figure out
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Speaker 8: the tricks to it. It's gonna be all new to us.
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Speaker 8: Is it going to change a ton Possibly not. You know,
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Speaker 8: like coach mentioned, we got Jamal Agnew. We're gonna want
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Speaker 8: to We want to return, so we're gonna try to
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Speaker 8: return as much as we can. Are we gonna fair
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Speaker 8: catch at times potentially, But I think if you have
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Speaker 8: a returner like we do, you still want that. It's
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Speaker 8: a big part of the game. It's a big part
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Speaker 8: of momentum. It was a big part of our season
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Speaker 8: last year down the stretch of flipping the field, giving
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Speaker 8: the ball to the offense on the others out of
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Speaker 8: the fifty it was a huge part of what we did.
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Speaker 2: So this kind of confirms, obviously what we discussed last
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Speaker 2: week on this podcast and some other shows that yeah,
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Speaker 2: they're gonna let the return guy do his thing. They'd
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Speaker 2: rather give him the opportunity to take one fifty yards
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Speaker 2: or to the house and maybe start a few yards back,
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Speaker 2: and they were starting near the twenty five or after
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Speaker 2: on average anyway, Bucky, So doesn't change a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of the Jaguars perspective.
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Speaker 6: No, it doesn't change the Jaguars perspective.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, as a guy who spent most of
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Speaker 3: the time playing special teams, what it does, though, is
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Speaker 3: it continues to marginalize that aspect of the game. I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you're taking away the kickoff and the return game,
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Speaker 3: I mean just think about like I mean, jamal Agne
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Speaker 3: is special for us, but a lot of teams will
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Speaker 3: be like, hey, what's the point in getting a dynamic
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Speaker 3: kick returner. We're just fair catch it every time and
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Speaker 3: just take it at to twenty five. It changes from
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Speaker 3: a strategy standpoint. Sometimes you were purposely kick it deep
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Speaker 3: in the corner and people turn it so you know,
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Speaker 3: you can pin them back, you can make them chew
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Speaker 3: up clock you can do things. So from a tactical standpoint,
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Speaker 3: it impacts the way that you want to approach the game,
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Speaker 3: and I don't think it impacts it in a good way.
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Speaker 3: I think it takes away some of the chess match
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Speaker 3: away from the coaches and kind of makes it a
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Speaker 3: very static game. I mean, we might as well play
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Speaker 3: like we're playing the Turkey Bowl. Just line up everyone's
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Speaker 3: all time quarterback. We always started to rock and go play.
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Speaker 3: I just, you know, I just think we have to
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Speaker 3: be careful of taking too many things.
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Speaker 6: Away from the game of football.
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Speaker 3: I know we're saying we're trying to protect the health
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Speaker 3: and safety of the players, but I think we still
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Speaker 3: need to make sure that it always looks like football.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the point Bucky just made is the
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Speaker 5: best one. I said something similar this morning on drivetime.
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Speaker 5: We started at the tree and I didn't have the
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Speaker 5: Turkey Bowl because I wasn't picked for these kid games.
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Speaker 5: But I remember watching kids who got to play started
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Speaker 5: a tree in the neighborhood. But there is an element
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Speaker 5: of on the one hand, you have to be safe,
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Speaker 5: and by taking this out of it, it does increase
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Speaker 5: the safety and that's important and It may not even
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Speaker 5: seem when you're reading a story or debating this on
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Speaker 5: an NFL network, it may seemed like that big of
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Speaker 5: a deal. But then when you start to think how
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Speaker 5: games really get played out, I say, there's a high
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Speaker 5: scoring game, thirty five, thirty five, and every which I
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Speaker 5: think what we're moving toward. Eventually it feels like we're
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Speaker 5: moving toward every series that starting on the twenty five.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I could foresee where these rules changes end
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Speaker 5: up there in four or five years. Well, then okay,
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Speaker 5: you score, and then every time the ball comes out
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Speaker 5: and the opposing team starting the twenty five. I do
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Speaker 5: think coaches feel like something about a starting drive field
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Speaker 5: position should be earned and that it shouldn't all look
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Speaker 5: the same like that. That would feel very boring to
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Speaker 5: me and maybe overplaying it. But I think that's when
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Speaker 5: coaches like Andy Reid and Dan Campbell is very vocal
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Speaker 5: about it. I think that's what they sort of feel like,
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be out of the game, You should have some
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Speaker 5: Hey there was a fumbled kickoff. Hey we're starting at
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Speaker 5: the eight.
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Speaker 2: We have better coverage guys than your return guy.
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Speaker 5: Right or even last year, Jamal Agnew never took to
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Speaker 5: the house on kickoffs, but in the last four or
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Speaker 5: five games of the season, that Kansas City game, he
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Speaker 5: kept this team in it for a while, you know.
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Speaker 5: And so I do think there is an element that,
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Speaker 5: you know, I don't think the rules makers are making
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Speaker 5: these changes at all.
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Speaker 4: Willy nilly.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think they want to be doing it,
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Speaker 5: But I think there is a balance you got to
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Speaker 5: be careful of. At the same time, I don't think
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Speaker 5: there's anything it's going to stop this momentum toward this,
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Speaker 5: and I don't love that, but I'm also not the
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Speaker 5: one out there risking ahead injury fair points.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I get that, but like, so here's the
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Speaker 3: thing where let's just say you're a casual just paying
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Speaker 3: attention to football, where you wonder about health and safety. Right,
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Speaker 3: so you're talking about kickoffs, and hey, we're going to
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Speaker 3: take that out. We'll make sure we're protecting the players.
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Speaker 3: But then you have more Thursday night games and flex
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Speaker 3: games and those things, and so I just feel like
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Speaker 3: the league has to be careful of hiding behind the
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Speaker 3: guys of protecting the players when everything doesn't appear to
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Speaker 3: be about protecting the players. And so the game is
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Speaker 3: the game, and I mean, I think we all kind
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Speaker 3: of understand some of the inherent risks that come with playing,
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Speaker 3: but you just got to be careful.
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Speaker 6: Part of what makes football.
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Speaker 3: Great is, yeah, not only the tough guy stuff and
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Speaker 3: the violence, but the strategy the chess match that you
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Speaker 3: see when you're paying a close attention to Hey, this
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Speaker 3: is a great time to kick a coffin corner kick
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Speaker 3: because we can make them burn up five to six
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Speaker 3: seconds and in a two minute drill that could be
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Speaker 3: the difference in a win or a low. Those things,
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Speaker 3: to me matter, and so I can understand why Heathorpe
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Speaker 3: Farewell and some of the special teams coaches are up
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Speaker 3: at ours because it also puts their job at risk
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Speaker 3: a little bit if you keep cutting back on some
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Speaker 3: of the things in the kicking.
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Speaker 4: Game and Thursday's the big elephant they're in on that.
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Speaker 2: John Oser, Bucky Brooks. Glad you're with us on the
18:16
Speaker 2: Huddle Up Podcast. Let's move to the Jaguars defense and
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Speaker 2: linebacker Devin Lloyd enters year number two in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Last season, he was Defensive Rookie of the Month in September,
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Speaker 2: and then about a month or so later he was
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Speaker 2: out of the lineup. He finished better down the stretch,
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Speaker 2: but now going into year two, I asked him yesterday,
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Speaker 2: what's the approach this offseason?
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Speaker 9: You build the foundation in the off season, and so
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Speaker 9: I think just understanding that all the long hours, long
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Speaker 9: days during the season eventually come from your offseason. So
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Speaker 9: I'm building a good foundation, you know, physically, you know,
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Speaker 9: I got a lot of improvement from last year to
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Speaker 9: this year. And I mean really just mentally, you know,
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Speaker 9: just staying in the right spirits throughout the whole season.
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Speaker 9: I mean, it truly is a mental game, you know.
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Speaker 6: As physical as it is.
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Speaker 9: It truly is a mids side of the ball. So
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Speaker 9: it's really just staying in the right spirits and telling
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Speaker 9: yourself all the right things.
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Speaker 2: So, Bucky, the question is, you know, with all this
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Speaker 2: talk in the offseason about improving the pass rush, does
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Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd play a role in that? How do you
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Speaker 2: streamline his production on defense?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think you have to figure out ways.
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Speaker 3: I think that's the task that Mike Calwell and the
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Speaker 3: defensive staff they have to figure out. It's one thing
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Speaker 3: to come into the offseason or the season with the
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Speaker 3: plan this is how we're going to play. It's another
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Speaker 3: thing to then look at the players that you have
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Speaker 3: and really consistently question does this plan match the talents
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Speaker 3: of the players. And so when you look at your
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Speaker 3: personnel and you look at Devin Lloyd in particular, he
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Speaker 3: was a guy who's very productive at Utah coming off
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Speaker 3: the edge is blitzing. He kind of, i mean, really
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Speaker 3: was a stat stuffer in terms of sacks, tackles for loss, interceptions,
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Speaker 3: for as fumbles. What can you do to allow him
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Speaker 3: to play and make those kinds of plays that he
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Speaker 3: made in Utah? And so if you're gonna play him
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Speaker 3: at the position that you're playing him now, it may
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Speaker 3: require him and to blitz a little bit. It may
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Speaker 3: require more packages where you kind of move him around
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Speaker 3: and allow him to do more stuff. But you have
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Speaker 3: to be able to do all those things while also
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Speaker 3: not adding clutter to his brain. Because players who are
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Speaker 3: thinking are not playing fast. You want Devin Lloyd to
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Speaker 3: be able to play fast and play on his instincts.
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Speaker 3: And so that's what I think this offseason is about
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Speaker 3: figuring out what he can do really well and what
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Speaker 3: does he feel comfortable doing and allowing him to do
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Speaker 3: that over and over again.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, the stats stuff, for part is what
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Speaker 5: gives me a lot of optimism that it'll be okay.
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Speaker 5: When you watch this kid last year when he was
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Speaker 5: near the ball, he touched the ball and meaning he
20:48
Speaker 5: was playing, he was impacting the game and creating, which
20:52
Speaker 5: is a rare trait for a defensive play. I think
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Speaker 5: he's got that big time. My question for the former player, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: so much of what you heard with Devon was where
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Speaker 5: he struggled was seeing things and recognizing in situations that
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Speaker 5: he hadn't seen in college. And how much Bucky can
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Speaker 5: a player improve on that with experience? Is that an
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Speaker 5: improvable thing? Whereas to me, the things I was talking
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Speaker 5: about before, the instinctive things, really aren't improvable. I would
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Speaker 5: think he could get better in this area.
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Speaker 3: He absolutely can get better, and I would anticipate him
21:38
Speaker 3: getting better. The only thing they actually get better as
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Speaker 3: a player is by playing, because each of those experiences
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Speaker 3: allows you to kind of catalog it and putting in
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Speaker 3: your library. So you oh, okay, I've seen this situation,
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Speaker 3: I've seen this formation, I've understand this down in distance,
21:52
Speaker 3: here's where we at, circumstances of the game, all those
21:55
Speaker 3: other things. And so as you begin to play a
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Speaker 3: long time and collect that data allows you to play fas.
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Speaker 6: That's why we love veteran players.
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Speaker 3: Veteran players have gone through it, and so they can
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Speaker 3: play a step quicker than maybe their athleticism because they
22:08
Speaker 3: know and can anticipate what's about the comp well. For
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Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd, he has to have some of those experiences,
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Speaker 3: and I would say as a fan base and his fans,
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Speaker 3: we got to have a little patience. Even though he's
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Speaker 3: a first round pick, we can't expect him to come in.
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Speaker 6: Right away and know it all this year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can raise the level of expectation because we
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Speaker 3: want to see him make impact plays, but he made
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Speaker 3: some splash plays last year and so it's that fine line,
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Speaker 3: that delicate balance that, Hey, you want him to play
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Speaker 3: within the confines of the defense, but you also want
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Speaker 3: him to do what he does well. And to me,
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Speaker 3: what he does well is, man, he's a sea ball
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Speaker 3: get ball player, and I want to put him in
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Speaker 3: a situation where I can let him see it and
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Speaker 3: go get it and whatever that looks like when it
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Speaker 3: comes to a defensive structure. I want to make sure
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Speaker 3: that I put him in a situation where I don't
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Speaker 3: have him thinking and you know, trying to second guess himself.
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Speaker 6: I just want him to be an attack mode because.
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Speaker 3: When he's in attack mode, he has proven that he
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Speaker 3: can make big plays, and we need big plays on
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Speaker 3: defense and keep.
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Speaker 2: Him on the field during training camp. He missed all
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Speaker 2: training camp last year too, and I think you saw
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Speaker 2: that in the regular season. Let's finish this week with
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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, Jaguars wide receiver. He's getting work in of course,
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Speaker 2: still trying to get his legs fully underneath him since
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Speaker 2: he's been out of the game for nearly two seasons
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Speaker 2: full so the team's not really letting him loose all
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Speaker 2: the way. Doug Peterson said that before practice yesterday, but
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Speaker 2: Ridley after practice was asked if he feels rejuvenated.
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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I was at home for a yea.
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Speaker 4: I'm just suf man.
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Speaker 10: I don't want to be out there.
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Speaker 6: But like I said, you know, I.
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Speaker 10: Thank god I'm around a good you know, a bunch
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Speaker 10: of good people, a good program, and they know how
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Speaker 10: to do this because I mean, you let me do
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Speaker 10: it myself, I'll tire myself out by the time of
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Speaker 10: seasons here. So you know, I got a lot of
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Speaker 10: good people here, have been working out with you know,
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Speaker 10: a lot of good you know, screent staff, and man,
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Speaker 10: I'm excited about where I'm at right now.
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Speaker 2: So in the little practices. We've seen two of them
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Speaker 2: the OTAs. You know, you're starting to see him out there.
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Speaker 2: I saw him out there, felt like a little bit
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Speaker 2: more in the team stuff on the first day of
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Speaker 2: this week, and you can see why. Bucky. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's a crisp route runner. He's in and out, but
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Speaker 2: he's one that will let it loose if you let
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Speaker 2: him go. And you know, this is that time of
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Speaker 2: year where yeah, they might miss a throw here or there,
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Speaker 2: but he's back with a quarterback. They're working on the
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Speaker 2: little nuances of a certain route and they run it
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Speaker 2: again and they'll hit it. And that's what this offseason
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Speaker 2: time is about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's about. He's something that we haven't
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Speaker 3: seen and I'm excited. I want to temper the expectations,
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Speaker 3: but I just think of what he's been doing this offense,
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Speaker 3: and I think about how much fun Doug Peterson could
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Speaker 3: have with Calvin Ridley as a route runner. He's the
24:48
Speaker 3: best route runner that we've seen at some time. And
24:50
Speaker 3: that's saying a lot because Christian Kirkins A Jones are
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Speaker 3: also outstanding route runners, but Calvin Ridley's at another level.
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Speaker 3: And so when you take someone who has been the
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Speaker 3: number one receiver who is put in work time and
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Speaker 3: time again in terms of creating space and separation, and
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Speaker 3: has earned the respect of other wide receivers around the
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Speaker 3: league as a top five talent. Well, now you're talking
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Speaker 3: about an offense that has a chance to go from
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Speaker 3: good to great, and.
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Speaker 6: We've talked about it.
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Speaker 3: We've talked about it on here multiple times about potentially
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Speaker 3: having three thousand yard receivers to go with a thousand
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Speaker 3: yard rusher and what this offense can look like. A
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Speaker 3: lot of it hinges on Calvin Ridley. If Calvin Ridley
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Speaker 3: is right, it's gonna be very very hard for teams
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Speaker 3: to match up with this offense because you double team him. Now,
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Speaker 3: you gotta, you know, you gotta roll the dice on
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Speaker 3: Kristin Kirk and Evan Ingram and those other guys.
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Speaker 6: It should be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 3: I'm just hoping that he continues to take his time,
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Speaker 3: that the Jaguars coaching staff and training staff kind of
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Speaker 3: works to make sure they protect him against himself, because
25:46
Speaker 3: if he's right, when the regular season kicks off, you
25:48
Speaker 3: can see fireworks.
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Speaker 5: You guys know how much I enjoy practice or praise
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Speaker 5: that by really enjoy it. But in watching these unpadded
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Speaker 5: practic just is the thing that you sort of watched
26:03
Speaker 5: for with special players at the running back and receiver
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Speaker 5: position are guys who sort of stand out, who pop
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Speaker 5: off the page, if you will, in those moments. Every
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Speaker 5: once in a while, during these Travis etn will do
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Speaker 5: something athletically where you say, well, he's different, I mean,
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Speaker 5: he is blessed to be able to do different things,
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Speaker 5: and the other guys in this field, Calvin Ridley's the
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Speaker 5: same guy, I mean, and you maybe even see it
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Speaker 5: more than Calvin, I would think as a scout when
26:38
Speaker 5: Bucky was assigned players to watch when he was a
26:41
Speaker 5: scout and was going through tape because he probably did
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Speaker 5: scout back in the days where there was tape. There's
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Speaker 5: probably like a stack of tapes and you got to
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Speaker 5: go through him, and then when you get to Ridley's tape,
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Speaker 5: you sort of look forward to it.
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Speaker 4: He's sort of that guy in he.
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Speaker 6: He is man.
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Speaker 3: He's so much fun and you can see the clips
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Speaker 3: that are floating on Twitter and social media from his
27:05
Speaker 3: past stage with the Falcons, how he just works people.
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Speaker 3: You've seen some of the stuff that he's done in
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Speaker 3: workouts when he's been working with his trainer, going one
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Speaker 3: on ones, and how he has I mean, he has
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Speaker 3: all that extra syrup on his game if he needs it, but.
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Speaker 6: He can win with the basic stuff. And we saw
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Speaker 6: it when I was there.
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Speaker 3: Just the ease and nature in terms of how he
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Speaker 3: gets open and creates separation.
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Speaker 6: That stuff is exciting.
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Speaker 3: And the thing about him is this guy is a
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Speaker 3: high level competitor.
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Speaker 6: He's been a high level player.
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Speaker 3: You throw him into the mix to alleviate some of
27:39
Speaker 3: the pressure on Trevor Lawrence because this is the year
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Speaker 3: that Trevor should make a major leap you two and
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Speaker 3: Doug Peterson's offense.
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Speaker 6: It won't be a coincidence.
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Speaker 3: That Calvin really will help him take his game to
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Speaker 3: other nots. Because we talked about Calvin really potentially being
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Speaker 3: a top five, top ten receiver. The expectation is Trevor
27:55
Speaker 3: Lawren should be a top five quarterback this year if
27:57
Speaker 3: everything goes according to script.
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Speaker 2: All right, So that's it for this week on the
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Speaker 2: Huddle Up Podcast. Next week, one more ot a week, John,
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Speaker 2: and then it's Manda's mini camp Bucky or Fired Up?
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Speaker 2: Are you coming back for any of these? Bucky or
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Speaker 2: you done for the off.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm trying to get back to him, just trying
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Speaker 3: to make sure Doug is not going to give him
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Speaker 3: a treat and maybe give him a couple of days
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Speaker 3: off and then like that. So I'm trying to plan
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Speaker 3: it so I may have to come back for the
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Speaker 3: OTA so I can see it and have John Tadley
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Speaker 3: of those completions and incompletions.
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Speaker 6: And all that, and then we can kind of report
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Speaker 6: about it.
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Speaker 4: You know, I have seen enough. You know I've seen.
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Speaker 2: That's John Ozer and Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shaddick. Our
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Speaker 2: thanks to Joe Fortunado and David Chow as well. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.