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Katie Woolf spoke with Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: For comprehensive political coverage impacting Territorians. The only voice you
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  Speaker 1: need is Katie will find three sixty remaining one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent and mix one oh four point nine.
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  Speaker 2: And well overnight at about two point fifteen this morning,
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  Speaker 2: actually a group of four apparently broke into Hungry Jacks.
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  Speaker 2: Police apprehended an eleven and a thirteen year old and
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  Speaker 2: they had to be kept in the watchhouse as I
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  Speaker 2: understand it. Joining us in the studio right now is
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  Speaker 2: the Opposition leader Lea Finocchiaro. Good morning, Good morning everyone,
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  Speaker 2: now Leah eleven and thirteen year olds obviously apprehended after
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  Speaker 2: breaking into Hungry Jacks. Look, some would say a break
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  Speaker 2: into Hungry Jacks isn't a serious crime, and on the
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  Speaker 2: scale of things, maybe it's not. But when you look
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  Speaker 2: at those ages, it's pretty mortifying.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's shocking, and I would say, you know, breaking
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  Speaker 3: into Hungry Jackson is absolutely a crime. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that we're even having this conversation just shows
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  Speaker 3: how normalized breaking enters have become.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, people are just tired of being victims.
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  Speaker 3: They're of waking up every morning and reading the paper
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  Speaker 3: or you know, like Katie It's something you and your
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  Speaker 3: listeners have to talk about all the time because it
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  Speaker 3: is so endemic right across the territory and it's having
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  Speaker 3: a devastating impact on families. I mean, I was just
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  Speaker 3: looking at Facebook. I saw a family being broken into
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  Speaker 3: Their ten year old son saw the people breaking into
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  Speaker 3: the house and raise the alert to the parents. I
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  Speaker 3: mean that I couldn't find it now, but it was
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  Speaker 3: must have been in a suburb in Palmerston. I had
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  Speaker 3: to come up in my feed. But you know this,
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  Speaker 3: it's just devastating. All of the businesses who were broken
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  Speaker 3: into last night New Ones, you know, the night before
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  Speaker 3: that Parchaman Festival, having to relocate events that would ordinarily
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  Speaker 3: be in the mall. It's just like the government has decided, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's just how it is, and is working
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  Speaker 3: our life around the crime, rather than addressing the crime
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  Speaker 3: so that people can live a free life.
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  Speaker 2: We had the Chief Minister on the show on Monday
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  Speaker 2: and I've got to say there seemed to be a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a change in the way that he was
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  Speaker 2: speaking about this issue. He did say that he believed that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we need to have consequences for young people
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  Speaker 2: and there needs to be a restitution. So he spoke about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, cleaning of graffiti and fixing windows and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. That's something you've spoken about before. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: is that one of the changes we need to have implemented.
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  Speaker 4: It is, but you know the Chief Minister is full
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean last year during the election he put out
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  Speaker 3: a press release two pages of a sway of wonderful
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  Speaker 3: measures they were allegedly going to do to address crime.
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  Speaker 3: We had promises of bail reform and boot camps and
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  Speaker 3: all this other stuff and what have they done?
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  Speaker 4: Nothing?
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  Speaker 3: And then now we've had confirmed last week or the
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  Speaker 3: week before by the Chief Minister himself that there will
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  Speaker 3: be no bow reform brought forward next week during Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: There's no clear pathway for what they're going to do
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  Speaker 3: to make any changes. So, you know, talk is cheap
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  Speaker 3: and I've said that so many times. We've been screaming
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  Speaker 3: for community service and those community work orders to be
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  Speaker 3: part of the solution. You know, people need to to
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  Speaker 3: repair the damage they caused to the community and be
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  Speaker 3: held accountable for their actions. It needs to be something
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  Speaker 3: that's immediate, not months and months after the fact.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I asked about this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think either last sittings or it must
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  Speaker 3: have been during estimates about the you know, how many
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  Speaker 3: people had been out, how many youth had been out
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  Speaker 3: doing these community work orders, and I'm pretty sure the
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  Speaker 3: answer was basically zero. So I don't even think they've
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  Speaker 3: established that program yet, Leah.
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  Speaker 2: One of the one of the big things that's happened
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  Speaker 2: over the last week or so is the Queensland governments
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  Speaker 2: announced a number of measures to try to combat youth crime. Now, yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: Vera Premier Anastasia Palachet came out and said that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to trial GPS tracking devices, they're going to give
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  Speaker 2: police increased powers, they're going to strengthen some of their
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  Speaker 2: anti hooning laws, and they're going to reverse the presumption
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  Speaker 2: of bail for serious offenses. Leah, Should we be doing
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  Speaker 2: these things in the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's something we've been screaming for for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Of Course, when the government brought in its changes to
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  Speaker 3: the bat and Youth Justice Acts, we were very very
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  Speaker 3: concerned at that time and we said.
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  Speaker 4: Don't do this.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, everything that's flowed on from that is there.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's astonishing that we can have such a tragic,
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  Speaker 3: tragic death of those people, that family in Queensland and
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  Speaker 3: then have that government within one week get together make
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  Speaker 3: a plan. I believe they're sitting very soon and they're
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  Speaker 3: going to legislate their plans.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We have had people victimized for years. Of course, we
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  Speaker 3: did have the tragic death of mister Powell and Alice Springs,
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  Speaker 3: and yet the Gunner government is still acting like this
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  Speaker 3: is someone else's problem and somehow going to be fixed magically.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to be fixed magically.
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  Speaker 3: Action needs to be taken and this week and head
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  Speaker 3: in the stand approach is not good enough, Leah.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things we do have here though, in
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  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory is those GPS tracking devices. As I
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  Speaker 2: understand it, I did ask the Chief Minister on Monday
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  Speaker 2: how many young people have actually had those, like have
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  Speaker 2: actually had where those as part of their court orders.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have that figure. Did you ask this question
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  Speaker 2: in the most recent estimates?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we asked that question and estimates and the answer
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  Speaker 3: came back as there had been one use with GPS
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  Speaker 3: tracking issued for last finance year one one one.
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  Speaker 4: You know, huge issue.
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  Speaker 3: This is a highly effective technology, but I mean the
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  Speaker 3: problem is not even you know, that is a huge problem.
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  Speaker 3: But the next problem with the GPS tracking under this
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  Speaker 3: government is the fact that even if one hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: of use were GPS tracked, territory families are the one
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  Speaker 3: who have that information, not police, and police have to
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  Speaker 3: go and ask territory families for access.
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  Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I Mean, the big question that I've got at the
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  Speaker 2: moment is I just don't know how we all come
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  Speaker 2: together to try to change this because at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know that the government, I think they're
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  Speaker 2: starting to they are starting.
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  Speaker 4: To hear what Territorians are saying.
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  Speaker 2: But then you know, with the utmost respect obviously you
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  Speaker 2: guys are then going the government and saying, well, you
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  Speaker 2: should be doing it this way, and we called for this.
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  Speaker 2: How do we all just get to the point here
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  Speaker 2: where we go, do you know what? I know it's hard,
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  Speaker 2: but we need to put our political alliances aside for
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  Speaker 2: a moment and try to just sort this issue out
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  Speaker 2: for Territorians.
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  Speaker 3: Look one hundred percent, and I understand people feel you know,
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  Speaker 3: they can feel frustrated and me sometimes thinking, oh, you
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  Speaker 3: know she's always going against but what would she do.
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  Speaker 3: The issue is, as opposition, I can't make anything happen.
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  Speaker 3: The government has to agree with me. We're very happy
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  Speaker 3: to work with the government. We say it often. We
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  Speaker 3: put motions in the Parliament, we put up policy ideas.
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  Speaker 3: It's the government who has to be the one to
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  Speaker 3: implement these changes. So we are very willing to work
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  Speaker 3: with government, to give them our policies, to explain to
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  Speaker 3: them why we think the presumption in favor of BAO
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  Speaker 3: should be reversed, why we think breach of our conditions
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  Speaker 3: should be brought back, why we think there should be
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  Speaker 3: mandatory community service, why they should be expanded, electronic monitoring
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  Speaker 3: skills training. I mean, we have a long list of
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  Speaker 3: measures that we advocate for. It feels like on a
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  Speaker 3: daily basis, Katie, But ultimately, if the Gunner government are
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  Speaker 3: going to be so arrogant and continue blindly down their
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  Speaker 3: own path, that bipartisanship is not able to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to admit it's difficult, Like we've
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  Speaker 2: got out of Queensland today. Leading youth justice advocates, including
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  Speaker 2: a former Royal Commissioner Mick Gooder, have slammed Queenslands crackdown
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  Speaker 2: on youth crime, warning the knee jerk measures will fail
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  Speaker 2: to reduce rates of offending and instead push children further
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  Speaker 2: to the margins.
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  Speaker 4: Lea, Are you just playing politics here, Katie? This is
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  Speaker 4: not politics.
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  Speaker 3: This is people's lived experience on a daily basis. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fine for people like mister Gooda to
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  Speaker 3: come out and make those comments, but ultimately, people are
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  Speaker 3: suffering every single day. It's not just the emotional cost,
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  Speaker 3: the violation and the stress and distress that comes from
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  Speaker 3: being a victim of crime. It's the financial impact, the
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  Speaker 3: ongoing impact on your life, explaining that to your kids,
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  Speaker 3: supporting your staff, replacing windows, food fridges, you know.
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  Speaker 4: You name it.
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  Speaker 3: It's an assault on the sensors for the rest of
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  Speaker 3: your life. And that's something that isn't talked about enough.
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  Speaker 3: The impact on victims just seems to be forgotten, and
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  Speaker 3: it's not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: It's not forgotten by us.
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  Speaker 3: We believe in a victim's first approach, and it's devastating
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  Speaker 3: and disappointing that eleven year olds are out committing such terrible,
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  Speaker 3: terrible crimes. But ultimately, if they do that, they have
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  Speaker 3: to be dealt with appropriately. It's not okay to continue
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  Speaker 3: to let an eleven year old break into people's homes
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  Speaker 3: just because they're eleven.
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  Speaker 4: Leah, what will you be doing.
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  Speaker 2: In parliament about this next week? Because I feel as
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  Speaker 2: though we've really reached the point end tire. I mean
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  Speaker 2: a little bit later this morning, we're going to be
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  Speaker 2: chatting with Exotic North Indian Cuisine and Culumbai they will
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  Speaker 2: broken into at two o'clock this morning. Also Yogi's Way
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  Speaker 2: on we Australia Street and Stuart Park who were broken
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  Speaker 2: into at four o'clock this morning. I know that some
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  Speaker 2: of these instances are different types of crime. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in this case, we may be talking more so about
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, but we may be talking
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  Speaker 2: more so about people who are trying to get their
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  Speaker 2: hands on alcohol, for sure. So they're obviously quite different
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  Speaker 2: in the way in which we deal with them.
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  Speaker 4: But the community is.
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  Speaker 2: Screaming out at the moment, and I think we've just
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  Speaker 2: reached the point where something has to change.
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  Speaker 4: What are you going to do in parliament next week?
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  Speaker 2: I know you're in opposition, but how can you make
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  Speaker 2: sure the voices of the community that you're hearing heard.
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  Speaker 3: I heard absolutely. So we've got two weeks of sitting,
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  Speaker 3: so it will be an excellent opportunity for us to
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  Speaker 3: put the position of Territorians forward on the crime issue.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we'll use question time extensively to ask a
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  Speaker 3: lot of detail around crime, around numbers, around you know,
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  Speaker 3: the success of different measures that government is undertaking. During
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  Speaker 3: our very small time in the Parliament where we get
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  Speaker 3: to run issues, we will run strong motions around crime
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  Speaker 3: and what needs to be done, and equally on the economy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's a huge issue too. But crime really
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  Speaker 3: is front and center of people's mind. It has been
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  Speaker 3: for a very very long time, and we will use
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  Speaker 3: every opportunity in the Parliament to put the pressure on
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  Speaker 3: government to start to look at what it's doing, to
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  Speaker 3: stop being so arrogant, to get its head out of
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  Speaker 3: the stand and start talking to people. I mean, just
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  Speaker 3: even if the Chief Minister just went to Alice Springs
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  Speaker 3: and spoke to people, that would be a win because
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  Speaker 3: then he would see for himself the pain that is
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  Speaker 3: being inflicted. And so unfortunately we have to drag the
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  Speaker 3: Gunner government kicking and screaming to this table. But it's
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  Speaker 3: got to happen, and the government have got to realize
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  Speaker 3: it cannot continue like this, Lea, just very quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually got a message here from the Mad Hatters
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  Speaker 2: team and they would like to thank you and your
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  Speaker 2: team for the genuine concerns over the break ins, more
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  Speaker 2: importantly actually coming in to see us and talk to
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  Speaker 2: the victims, keep up the pressure. They've said, Ah, thanks guys,
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  Speaker 2: you do a great job. And you know that's a small,
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  Speaker 2: family owned and operated business, you know, Mum and Dad
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  Speaker 2: said it all up. The girls are in their working
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  Speaker 2: really hard and doing a great job. Plus the people
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  Speaker 2: they employ and the people they feed and you know,
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  Speaker 2: chat to every day, and you know, the community pulled
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  Speaker 2: them back out of the brink, you know, and that's
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful, wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 4: But it shouldn't have to happen, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And we're seeing people barricade their businesses, invest more in
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  Speaker 3: security measures than we've ever seen before because they're desperate
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  Speaker 3: to do something. But ultimately, a government's first responsibility is
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  Speaker 3: the safety of its citizens, and the Gunner government's failing.
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  Speaker 2: Leah, there's one here it says there shouldn't be any
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  Speaker 2: presumption of bail. It should be determined on a case
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  Speaker 2: by case basis, and only granted if truly deserved that
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  Speaker 2: one from Darren.
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  Speaker 4: Do you agree with that sentiment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't think that if you're a repeat offender
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  Speaker 3: you should have a presumption in favor of bail.
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  Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: We really think there needs to be a lot of
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  Speaker 3: work done to clamp down on repeat offending.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what would you deem as a repeat offender
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  Speaker 2: someone who's who's committed a crime more than twice?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically if you've done it repeatedly, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: one time, Okay, you know, let's try and you know,
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  Speaker 3: work out what went wrong there.
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  Speaker 4: Twice?
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  Speaker 3: I mean maybe twice, but come on, you know, after
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  Speaker 3: that it's becomes a joke. So, but that's why it's
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  Speaker 3: important that you've got all the measures in place. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you need to have those true alternatives to sentencing, those options,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, immediately right you're out go scrub that graffiti,
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  Speaker 3: let's sit down and have a chat about why this
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  Speaker 3: is not the right path for you and how we
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  Speaker 3: can support you to get back on track, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then after that a scalable model of consequences.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, the Gunn of government just keep to it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're talking about boot camps and they're talking
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  Speaker 3: about all this stuff, which is all just smoke and mirrors.
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  Speaker 3: We know through estimates that there are boot camps, but
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  Speaker 3: youth are not being sentenced to them.
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  Speaker 4: They're not offending youth.
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  Speaker 2: It's so recent not being sentenced to these boot camps.
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  Speaker 2: From your perspective, that's obviously through the core process, isn't it. No.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the it's the way that government has
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  Speaker 3: established it. So and I use the word boot camp
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  Speaker 3: loosely because the Territory Families Minister could not bring herself
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  Speaker 3: to call them a boot camp. They're a youth camp
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  Speaker 3: or some other thing. The Chief Minister likes to call
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  Speaker 3: them boot camps for obvious political reasons. But therefore disengage
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  Speaker 3: youth or youth at risk as opposed to youth who
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  Speaker 3: have committed a crime and are being sentenced to a
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  Speaker 3: boot camp as opposed to a detention facility. So there's
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  Speaker 3: a very stark distinction there that the Gunner government don't
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  Speaker 3: like to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Leaf and Okio, we are going to have to leave
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  Speaker 2: it there. Appreciate your time, Will we see you.
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  Speaker 4: Friday, Yes, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: At it warm, we
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  Speaker 2: Will, We'll see it Friday for the week that wants
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  Speaker 2: thank you.