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Farmer Angus on why foot-and-mouth disease is a scam | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim.
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Speaker 2: This is Jim Wolfe, the Battle of Ideas. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the Sunshine's not so sunny today. Tanya is about to arrive,
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Speaker 2: organic wine maker, and this is an experiment.
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Speaker 3: We're making a wine called.
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Speaker 2: Straw wine, straw straw win. I'm gonna Lucia. The French
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Speaker 2: callt it vander pay, the Italian's called passito. So this
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Speaker 2: is These are pastures, winter pasture we've cut down, so
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Speaker 2: it's organic straw from the farm. These are organic grapes.
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Speaker 2: So I literally put this down this morning just to
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Speaker 2: show give it a little demo, and we pack, We
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Speaker 2: pack the straw out, and then this is going to
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Speaker 2: dry to about forty the sugars currentcy about twenty three.
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Speaker 2: It's going to drive to forty forty five, depending on
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Speaker 2: what Tanya decides, and then we make wine from it.
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Speaker 2: Once before, I took some straw wine to Germany and
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Speaker 2: I got to the airport in Johannesburg, and I had
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Speaker 2: a bottle of wine in my rucksack, and the lady
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Speaker 2: said to me, you can't tact wine, so I use
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Speaker 2: my best zulu and imediually explained to her that it
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Speaker 2: was It was called wine was actually made from straw,
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Speaker 2: and then therefore I should be able to take it out.
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Speaker 2: And you said, fine. Conventional agriculture is the most non
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Speaker 2: organic thing in the world, which produces most of the
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Speaker 2: food that'll be consumed. So for graps of organically certified
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of hoops you need to jump through.
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Speaker 2: Oh and you jump through those, you jump through. We've
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Speaker 2: been doing it in two thousand and eight. Where's Madam Derm?
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a favor? Can you Let's just
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Speaker 2: see how heavy or light the scaffolding is. It's like
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Speaker 2: such a rare thing because jiu jitsu. I do not
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Speaker 2: because I'm Jewish, but because is it's not a striking sport,
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Speaker 2: it's a it's a grappling sport. And and and I
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Speaker 2: got caught me in the album on Saturday. Oh no, no,
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Speaker 2: just fine, literally, it's no, it's not no pain involved.
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Speaker 3: The only thing it much it messes with your eyebrows.
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Speaker 2: Jujitsu the up. Okay, you still look great, pretty jem.
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Speaker 2: You're very sweet and very kind. What are we doing
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Speaker 2: here today? Well, foot and mouth, because that's the big thing.
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Speaker 2: Foot in mouth, you mean, yes, so.
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Speaker 1: So so apparently this so the President announced in a
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Speaker 1: state of emergency with regards to an outbreak of foot
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Speaker 1: and mouth disease.
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Speaker 2: So so my take on well, firstly, it's not an emergency.
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Speaker 2: It's not any definition of an emergency, just like COVID
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Speaker 2: was never any definition of a pandemic. Okay. The reason
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Speaker 2: our president is so desperate to try and get something
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Speaker 2: out of foot and mouth is that the leader of
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Speaker 2: the opposition party who's forced to be in government with
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Speaker 2: is the Minister of Agriculture. John Stas is the Minister Agriculture.
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Speaker 2: So what he's trying to do, okay, is he's trying
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Speaker 2: to So there's one group of cattle. There's one group
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Speaker 2: of cattle, but we're going to go to another group. Okay,
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Speaker 2: then let's go to the other group. Okay. But I
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Speaker 2: just wanted to explain that there this is a new
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Speaker 2: planting something in Blank vineyards. These are some of the
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Speaker 2: forty thousand trees and shrubs that we've brought into what
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Speaker 2: we call shelter belts, just to bring some diversity onto
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Speaker 2: the farm. So this is the Shannon Blank vineyard that
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Speaker 2: you and I were talking about, the straw wine. So
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Speaker 2: we're taking some of the grapes here to do a
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Speaker 2: straw wine experiment. My take on the foot and mouth
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Speaker 2: thing is that John Steenaisen is making a huge song
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Speaker 2: and dance about it because he thinks.
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Speaker 3: It's something he can actually make a difference.
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Speaker 2: Two, he's completely misguided, but he so he's not going
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Speaker 2: to stand for Leader of the DA anymore. And he's
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Speaker 2: saying I'm going to do everything to stop foot in
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Speaker 2: mouth and Minister Agriculture. So he's getting a lot of
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Speaker 2: mileage from that. So Cerri ram A Porsa, because he's
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Speaker 2: the leader of A and C is suddenly making an
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Speaker 2: issue because he needs to be seen to do something.
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Speaker 2: You know, our government is so bad at governing that
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Speaker 2: they are desperate to trying to appear to be doing something.
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Speaker 2: But put in mouth, Jim foot in math has been
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Speaker 2: a scam for seventy five years. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you've read the article that I wrote that I referenced
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Speaker 2: a man called Frank Newman Turner. Okay, so his open
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Speaker 2: In those days they did journalism in the UK, The
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Speaker 2: Times published his letter. Another newspaper publisher his letter where
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Speaker 2: he wrote an open letter to the Minister Agriculture and
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Speaker 2: said foot and mouth is an animal husbandry disease. It
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Speaker 2: is caused by people not looking off animals properly. I
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Speaker 2: look after my animals. Bring any foot and mouthed animal
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Speaker 2: onto my farm. We'll mix the herds, and we'll mix
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Speaker 2: the herds and we will I guarantee you my animals
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Speaker 2: won't get sick. You know, he's he's dead, but they're
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Speaker 2: still waiting. Government will not accept that. They will they
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Speaker 2: want to come with a pharmaceutical solution. And in the
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Speaker 2: case the UK, they kill hundreds and thousands of animals. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and it's been happy for seventy five years. No one
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Speaker 2: in South Africa is prepared to address why the animal's
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Speaker 2: immune systems are so oppressed, and so they think the
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Speaker 2: form and they think the pharmaceutical industry is going to
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Speaker 2: rescue them from mistic It's absolutely ridiculous. It's almost as
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Speaker 2: stupid to think that the pharmaceutical industry is going to
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Speaker 2: rescue you as to think government's going to rescue you. Okay. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: our government is incapable and unable and unwilling to help us.
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Speaker 2: It's just lip service. Well. Foot in mouth is a
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Speaker 2: disease that causes the blisters on the car's mouth and
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Speaker 2: often causes their hoofs to drop off. It has an
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Speaker 2: extremely low mortality rate around about one percent. Calves are
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Speaker 2: more susceptible than adults. Obviously, the animals in pain when
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Speaker 2: it happens. But foot and math has been around forever.
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Speaker 2: The meat and the milk from a foot moth animal
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Speaker 2: is exactly the same as a non foot and math animal.
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Speaker 3: So then why do they South Africa worried?
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Speaker 2: Because the Europeans have decided it's a problem and therefore
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Speaker 2: beef exports to stop.
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Speaker 3: It's a it's a problem.
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Speaker 2: In that sense. Yeah, it's a problem for everybody except
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Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical industry. Yes see, these are called cypresses, and
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Speaker 2: there is no plant to the cypresses.
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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, is that the cypress? The cypress is.
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Speaker 2: The tree of Apollo, which just reaches straight up into
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Speaker 2: the sky. The vineyard in the background is a plot
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Speaker 2: of Garnyss which goes down at the ground. Oh wow,
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Speaker 2: that's a little bit of polarity, right.
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Speaker 1: And a bit of poetry.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the cattle, dude. Okay, cool. The drama
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Speaker 2: around foot and Mouth is the exact same drama as
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Speaker 2: around bird flu Okay, it's as the same drama around COVID.
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Speaker 2: It's it is. COVID is probably a little bit more
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Speaker 2: laid and more complicated, but bird flu is the most
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Speaker 2: No one's prepared to address the fact that ninety six
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Speaker 2: percent of the chickens in this country living cages, that
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Speaker 2: that the factory farm system is the breeding ground for
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Speaker 2: these diseases. The animals immune systems are compromised, and it
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Speaker 2: comes from environment. And is there who you know to
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Speaker 2: think we're gonna get river virus? There's trillions of viruses
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Speaker 2: in the world. Never get river virus if you believe
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Speaker 2: there's such thing as viruses. Okay, And I'm not I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to get into that, into that argument. I'm
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Speaker 2: not qualified to to have an opinion on that. But
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Speaker 2: my my simplistic understanding of it is that when an
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Speaker 2: animal's immune system is is oppressed, whether it's a human
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Speaker 2: or a pig, or a cat, cow or a check in,
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Speaker 2: it is more susceptible to getting sick. And and and
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Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't think it's really that important
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Speaker 2: to know what causes it to be sick. The fact
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Speaker 2: is it's sick.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, Because it can be argued that knowing
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Speaker 1: what causes. It can help you stop it next time round.
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Speaker 2: So now do you stop it?
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Speaker 3: Animals health, Yes, yes, that's all.
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Speaker 2: That's all so fixed fixed the terrain. I mean your kid,
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Speaker 2: has he got sick? No, exactly, you don't need to
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Speaker 2: go and learn you know what it is that could
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Speaker 2: potentially make him sick. The fact is he has been
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Speaker 2: challenged and exposed on the cattle down there. The other
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Speaker 2: ones are easier to get you, so she should go
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Speaker 2: to those whichever is easier.
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Speaker 3: I think maybe we've got the other one. I'll tell
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Speaker 3: you why.
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Speaker 2: It's closer. But also it's quite fun to there. You've
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Speaker 2: got quite a nice view of the mountain. Let's go there.
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Speaker 2: I think your your your views a bit better. So
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Speaker 2: so what they do with bird flu in America? They
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Speaker 2: and here they I mean bird.
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Speaker 3: Free is actually as bad as foot in mouth.
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Speaker 2: So what do they do? What is bird? Bird was
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Speaker 2: called avian influenza, so it actually kills chickens. Okay, however, however,
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Speaker 2: what do they do? They use the PCR test. That's
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Speaker 2: the same thing with the cattle. I don't know whether
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Speaker 2: they use PCR test for cattle. I know that they
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Speaker 2: use a PICR test for bird flu, and like COVID,
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Speaker 2: they will spin it too many times and then it
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Speaker 2: picks up absolutely everything that's there. It's not a risk.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy invented the thing, Mallas, didn't you
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Speaker 2: get a nobil prize and he said it's not the
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Speaker 2: right diagnostic tool. Now he said, you can find anything
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Speaker 2: you want. Well, there you go. Ok So what they
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Speaker 2: do with bird flu they go in, we've got bird flu.
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Speaker 2: We are going to cull every single bird, every single
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Speaker 2: bird on the farm, whether it's healthy or not. So
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Speaker 2: they kill millions of them, okay, millions, and then the
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Speaker 2: instead of going, you know what, let bird through go through.
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Speaker 2: In some cases five percent will die, ten percent dying.
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Speaker 2: So let's say eighty percent die. Those twenty percent left
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Speaker 2: have the immunity to deal with it, and therefore we
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Speaker 2: will breed with those.
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Speaker 3: Surely, surely it's a logical thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Yes, But has it ever They don't do that.
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Speaker 3: No, they just kill millions and millions of birds.
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Speaker 1: But has it ever happened where that disease has wiped
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Speaker 1: out that.
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Speaker 2: Many don't I don't know. I'm told by the old
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Speaker 2: timers that there has been bird flu and it's killed
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Speaker 2: a few sometimes has killed more, someone has killed less.
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Speaker 2: But it's the same philosophy. Jim, you're not present, you're
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Speaker 2: not you're not addressing the underlying problem, which is that
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Speaker 2: you've compromised immune system of the animal through the way
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Speaker 2: that you're form and so any sickness is going to
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Speaker 2: make them sick. Let's hop out here, Jim, excellent, Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 2: So this team is preparing that pasture, so we don't
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Speaker 2: have a permanent irrigation system there. So what we're doing
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Speaker 2: is we're moving the irrigation lines so we can have
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Speaker 2: these channels the cattle to graze. So we move the
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Speaker 2: cattle four times a day, four times a day. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so you have a look at jerom Ah. She just
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Speaker 2: she might do it again. Let's just see if she
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Speaker 2: goes and licks. She's she pushed her nose under the
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Speaker 2: I think your camera didn't catch it, but she had
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Speaker 2: pushed her nose. She's staying there. She probably going to
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Speaker 2: do it. They put their noses under that canvas. Actun Now,
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Speaker 2: what what what the story is there? Okay, where do
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Speaker 2: we start? Let me tell you first about the donkeys.
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Speaker 2: The donkeys are when we had cheap we'd have a
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Speaker 2: think called a retcut, which is a caracle. Terrible, terrible,
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Speaker 2: terrible predator. She's the bay in my chicken's life. You
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Speaker 2: should tack the sheep. And then we've got donkeys because
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Speaker 2: we do high density grazing. So the principle of high
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Speaker 2: density grazing is very simple. A lot of animals, small space,
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Speaker 2: short period of time followed by a long resting period. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we are very lucky. We can irrigate in some of theres.
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Speaker 2: My irrigation team putting in the sprayers directly behind the cattle,
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Speaker 2: so they're going to be able to irrigate that this afternoon,
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Speaker 2: and and so that's how we can turbo charge the gross.
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Speaker 2: So if you look here at gym, give the cartpat broom.
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Speaker 2: If you look down this line, you can see how
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Speaker 2: much more vegetation there is here on the right than here.
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Speaker 1: So they get moved, they get moving from electric fence,
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Speaker 1: and then they move okay, and then you leave us
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Speaker 1: forward this gross.
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Speaker 2: Six weeks, so the carbon cycle can complete and carbon
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Speaker 2: holds water, so that's how you're hydrating the soils, and
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Speaker 2: the plants get an opportunity to complete or not complete,
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Speaker 2: but they can grow quite a long way, like, for example,
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Speaker 2: the discern which is this purple flower here, in six weeks,
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Speaker 2: it easily reaches its reproductive stage. So it's gone from
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Speaker 2: vegetative to reproductive. So the lot of animals, let me
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Speaker 2: backtrack again, a lot of animals, small space, short period
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Speaker 2: of time followed by a long rest period. It is like,
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Speaker 2: the most important is that.
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Speaker 1: What you do, is that what you call regenerative forming.
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Speaker 2: It is an element of regentatave farming. You can't farm
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Speaker 2: a regenerative believe, you don't have animals in your system. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So what's the difference between them. You have to have
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Speaker 2: animals in the system to form regia.
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Speaker 1: What's the difference between that and what's done commercially?
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Speaker 2: Well, commercially, they will leave cattle in one camp for
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Speaker 2: I don't know, a week, two, three, four, sometimes six
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Speaker 2: months okay, and then obviously everything's been finished eating, and
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Speaker 2: then they have to bring bales in and feed them,
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Speaker 2: so they don't do rotation. You got to understand about
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Speaker 2: three days after this has been grazed, the plant starts regrowing,
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Speaker 2: and if the cattle are then grazing on that regrowing,
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Speaker 2: they exhaust its resources. So the most fertile soils in
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Speaker 2: the world are the US prairies and those who are
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Speaker 2: created by millions and millions of herds of herbivores before
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Speaker 2: the white men decided to shoot them out, and they
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Speaker 2: would be moved by wolves and Indians all around, and
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Speaker 2: then they would come back six months, two years, or
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Speaker 2: whatever it is related to that area. But because you've
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Speaker 2: concentrated your animals, you've got a lot of manure and
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Speaker 2: urine in one place, and that is what creates the
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Speaker 2: fertility and the biology to have more growth like here. Okay, Now,
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Speaker 2: ninety percent of all antibiotics go to animals, only ten
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Speaker 2: percent goes to humans. Just ponder that which is not
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Speaker 2: That's why it's no mystery that when people get sick
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Speaker 2: and they take antibiotics, they don't get better, usually because
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Speaker 2: what they've had all those antibiotics for free in their meat. Okay,
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Speaker 2: these animals, I'm not going to say we'll never but
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Speaker 2: probably ninety eight percent then will never get an injection
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Speaker 2: in their lives. If one is very, very sick, we'll
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Speaker 2: given an antibotic. Okay, vaccine, what for demrth vaccine? I'm guessing not.
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Speaker 2: I know you've throwning this for people in England. Okay,
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Speaker 2: but I don't have DUIs tattooed on my phone. I
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Speaker 2: think you can. You can translate that, okay, so do us.
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Speaker 2: Actually it's Lewis is a Sam Harris. Okay, I don't
17:42
Speaker 2: want to use the word c unt anymore. I just
17:45
Speaker 2: prefer Sam Harris. We'll do us Afrequans Afrikaans. It's a
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Speaker 2: derogatory term. Okay. So Germ is baiting me. He's baiting
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Speaker 2: me for the camera. Okay, stop baiting me. But they
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Speaker 2: can look at over my dead body. Will these animals
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Speaker 2: get an FMD JAB all right?
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Speaker 1: But you don't have any issues with sores in their mouths,
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Speaker 1: anything on the hoofs.
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Speaker 2: No, No, of course you're go closer. But I just
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Speaker 2: need to go back to antibotic thing. Okay. So ninety
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Speaker 2: percent of a antibotics go to animals and only ten
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Speaker 2: cent to human These animals will most likely never get
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Speaker 2: and if anyone gets, it might be two or three
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Speaker 2: throughout the year. Right, So there are two reasons why
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Speaker 2: animals do not get antibiotics. The first is what I've
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Speaker 2: just explained to you about the regular moving of them. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So it'll be six weeks time before they come back
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Speaker 2: here and this would have recovered like that. That's number one.
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Speaker 2: Number two is this listening over here, which I was,
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Speaker 2: which unfortunately we were like split seconds too late to
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Speaker 2: get her, Hello friends, to get her medicating for herself. Okay.
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Speaker 2: This thing is called a free choice mineral lick, and
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Speaker 2: it works like this. All soils are deficient, or plants
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Speaker 2: growing in the solo deficient, or animals eating those plants
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Speaker 2: are deficient. Deficiency becomes disease. These animals know what they're missing,
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Speaker 2: so they cruise in here and then they medicate for themselves.
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Speaker 2: I can talk you through all these different minerals is
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Speaker 2: on the website. The principle is the animal knows what
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Speaker 2: it needs fifty percent of what they take and fixes
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Speaker 2: the internal imbalance. The rest comes up the back in
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Speaker 2: biologically available, so those urine marks, those car paths have
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Speaker 2: the appropriate chemicals that have gone through a biological process
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Speaker 2: that are then available from the microbes in the soil
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Speaker 2: and the plants to grow. Okay, there's one of the
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Speaker 2: common ingredients behind in a lot of these mixes is
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Speaker 2: the salt, and it's unwashed salt. It's really important to
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Speaker 2: understand as soon as you wash salt, the sodium cliote
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Speaker 2: kind of goes up and the mineral kindent goes down.
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Speaker 2: So raw raw rule we can. Okay, this is a
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Speaker 2: brief called Simontana. It's originally from the mountains of from
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Speaker 2: the Alps, from the Alps, cemantalas and these what kind
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Speaker 2: of meat? Does this end up being? Beautiful meat with
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Speaker 2: pepper wrapped around? How are we talking? How old are
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Speaker 2: these on average? No? Boy o, oh mixture, the most
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Speaker 2: little inquizive costs coming Look at you. It's probably five
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Speaker 2: months old. Oh shit. We've got two groups of cattle
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Speaker 2: and we are about two hundred and twenty and twenty
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Speaker 2: and so we're a small operation. Yeah, okay, we're a
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Speaker 2: small operation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but now that leads to, obviously, then the question
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Speaker 1: about scale and cost.
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy you asked that question. Well done you. You
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Speaker 2: can column guys and think of you to ask me
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Speaker 2: those questions. Okay, but let's walk. Let's walk and talk
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Speaker 2: about the scale story. Okay, we do not have a
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Speaker 2: shortage of land and farmers. You can farm regenitively and
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Speaker 2: feed this country regentively. Okay, country or any country. I
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Speaker 2: love using the example of Doniy slabbert at rates in
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Speaker 2: the Free State. Donny has gone from having one hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty five cattle on his farm to a thousand
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Speaker 2: head on the same land, exact same piece of land,
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Speaker 2: careful electric fence. Jim. And how has he done that?
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Speaker 2: He's changed his grazing methodology to this grazing methodology. Although
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Speaker 2: he's a bit more extreme than we are. He goes,
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Speaker 2: he moves his cattle ten times a day. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: we have millions of hexes of marginal land. We have
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Speaker 2: a lot of hectares, probably in the millions, dedicated to
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Speaker 2: planting maize. Maze is not even in the car's diet. Okay.
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Speaker 2: I did an exercise with a friend a few years ago.
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Speaker 2: I put on my website can South Africa be fed regeneratively?
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Speaker 2: I made a whole lot of assumptions, such as all
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Speaker 2: cattle come out of feedbots that come onto pasture. We
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Speaker 2: convert all the sugarcane plantations into pasture sugar. Just make
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Speaker 2: second fat gum plantations out. The maize will get cut
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Speaker 2: in half because the pigs and the chickens need maize,
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Speaker 2: but not that sheep or the cattle. And under that circumstance,
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Speaker 2: we become a net export of grass fed grass finished beef.
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Speaker 2: It's entirely possible to feed the country regentatively. It's a possibility.
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Speaker 1: It's not a probability, right, And I mean, but the
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Speaker 1: cost is a bit more.
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Speaker 2: It's bit more premium. It's not, isn't It doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to be. Production costs so much lower vetory builds. Guess
22:47
Speaker 2: why my veteran bills have gone up this year because
22:49
Speaker 2: I've got to pay a vet to come and check
22:51
Speaker 2: my cattle every time I sell cattle off the farm
22:53
Speaker 2: to the taken to abatoire. Have to pay for a
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Speaker 2: vet to come out to give me a stamp to
22:57
Speaker 2: say that there's no foods and mouth here. It's bureaucracy.
23:01
Speaker 2: It's bureaucracy. That's our veterinary bill for me. The stadium
23:05
Speaker 2: point is that the animals immune systems are oppressed by
23:08
Speaker 2: the way that they are farmed, that they caged. Where
23:12
Speaker 2: there's chickens or pigs or cattle. You know, the threat
23:14
Speaker 2: with pigs is what they called African swine fever. Chicken,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. I don't know if it's the same thing.
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Speaker 2: It's bird flough influence what I mean.
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Speaker 1: It's the thing in terms of it's the terrain, it's
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Speaker 1: how they it's how they everything everything.
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Speaker 2: Your website just said, if you're going to depress the
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Speaker 2: animal's immune system, oppress's immunism, what are you what are
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Speaker 2: you expecting?
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Speaker 1: On your website you said that we don't live in
23:35
Speaker 1: our toilet.
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Speaker 2: We don't, but we've ordained that animals have to. And
23:45
Speaker 2: again we kind of government. It's not going to come
23:46
Speaker 2: and fix it.
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Speaker 1: All the pharmaceutical industry, they're not.
23:50
Speaker 2: This is discerned. Yeah, taste these flowers, but very gentle,
24:02
Speaker 2: delicate flavor. Had a chef to Marnt Nelsonson's the biggest
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Speaker 2: egg client. He used to get these lucern flowers. Horses
24:14
Speaker 2: love this, aren't they.
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Speaker 1: How do you know how the foot and mouth case
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Speaker 1: is defined or determined?
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Speaker 2: I don't ford not. I just know that they say
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Speaker 2: it's a confirmed case of foot and marth.
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Speaker 1: Because one thing that kind of uses me is the
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Speaker 1: it's the idea that animals are not supposed to get sick.
24:32
Speaker 1: Humans do get sick from time to time, and I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing so do animals, but.
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Speaker 2: They make out as eff it's a big tragedy it's
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Speaker 2: not a tragedy. It's not a tragedy at all, and
24:43
Speaker 2: the farmers are being punished for it. But there's another
24:46
Speaker 2: there's another element to the foot and moth thing which
24:50
Speaker 2: which is very sensitive to talk about because it will
24:55
Speaker 2: it could very easily degenerate into a racial a racial
25:02
Speaker 2: argument or racial fight.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: The complexity is that the foot and math cases mostly
25:13
Speaker 2: will come out of well, the original foot and math
25:16
Speaker 2: cases put it that way, will come out of the
25:18
Speaker 2: traditional areas, which are mostly small scale black farmers in
25:23
Speaker 2: South Africa.
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Speaker 3: Correct, okay, and so and so.
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Speaker 2: You know, yes, they do find foot and math in
25:31
Speaker 2: the big feed lots which are sort of white owned businesses,
25:34
Speaker 2: but the origination of foot and math is the rural
25:41
Speaker 2: areas where they don't practice good animal husbandry. Okay. You know,
25:50
Speaker 2: if you look at an area called the trans Sky,
25:53
Speaker 2: which is some people say it's God's country, it's absolutely
25:57
Speaker 2: beautiful and amazing. The average cattle guy in the trans guy,
26:03
Speaker 2: if he gets one wiener a year from ten cows,
26:08
Speaker 2: he'll he'll be happy, maybe two. If a commercial farmer
26:13
Speaker 2: gets less than nine out of ten, he's he's in trouble. Okay.
26:20
Speaker 2: So so in the trans guy, they're gray, completely overgrazed.
26:25
Speaker 2: The animals are malnourished, and if an animal's malnurished, is
26:28
Speaker 2: not going to reproduce.
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Speaker 3: Have you ever had sick animals or the cattle?
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Speaker 2: We have had se cattle last year there was one
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Speaker 2: guy who got second. We had to treat with antibiotics
26:38
Speaker 2: three or four times. But he was one guy in
26:40
Speaker 2: that other group of cattle one. Okay. We had a
26:43
Speaker 2: thing called BVD that came through in twenty thirteen. That
26:46
Speaker 2: was the darkest time for me with cattle farming, and
26:48
Speaker 2: we lost thirty four percent of our herd. Okay, what
26:53
Speaker 2: I think car was? It? A thing called BVD bovine
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Speaker 2: viral diarrhea. So someone explained that it's the equivalent of
27:02
Speaker 2: cattle AIDS, but it's an immunosuppressant, so the animal gets
27:06
Speaker 2: super immune crushed and then they'll die of any other disease. Okay.
27:12
Speaker 2: So we had a vet. He came in and he
27:17
Speaker 2: injected every single one of them with a live vaccine
27:20
Speaker 2: and they kept dying.
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Speaker 3: Then I had a different vet. Bless his cotton socks.
27:25
Speaker 2: He's left the country, but he was in Thilan Dam
27:27
Speaker 2: and he came in and said, no, that's not the
27:30
Speaker 2: way to do it. This we had two hundred and
27:31
Speaker 2: seventy cattle on the farm at the time. He says,
27:33
Speaker 2: you take a little snippet of every single one's ear
27:37
Speaker 2: and you send it to orders to put it or
27:39
Speaker 2: some laboratory up in Pretoria, and they analyze that little
27:42
Speaker 2: snipp of the ear to see is this animal a
27:44
Speaker 2: carrier of BVD? And if it's a carry of BVD,
27:48
Speaker 2: you color it out of the herd. Immediately there were
27:52
Speaker 2: five carriers. I culled them. Problems. Gone hm. Now that
27:59
Speaker 2: raises all sorts of interesting question that now you start,
28:02
Speaker 2: now you start testing humans are their carriers of this?
28:05
Speaker 2: And you know, you know what I'm saying, But but,
28:08
Speaker 2: but but BBD was it was a nightmare. Do you
28:11
Speaker 2: think it might have been related to the terrain? It
28:15
Speaker 2: could have been. I mean, there was a beginner I was.
28:17
Speaker 2: I was sort of four years into farming. I was
28:21
Speaker 2: buying a lot of cattle from outside. So that was
28:24
Speaker 2: there that the farm wasn't as healthy as it is
28:26
Speaker 2: today ecologically. No, it's a great question.
28:29
Speaker 1: I mean asked that angus, thank you for showing me
28:32
Speaker 1: your cattle.
28:35
Speaker 2: An emotional gym for me at least.
28:39
Speaker 1: I think that's pushing it. I think that's pushing it okay.
28:42
Speaker 1: But but the moral of.
28:43
Speaker 2: The story is what the more of the story is.
28:46
Speaker 2: We cannot expect that the foot and marthing is going
28:51
Speaker 2: to go away if we destroy the immune system of
28:53
Speaker 2: the animals.
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Speaker 3: The moral of the stories. We've got to be honest.
28:58
Speaker 2: About how we farm and thes, but keeping them in
29:01
Speaker 2: their toilets, we've got to be honest about the damage.
29:06
Speaker 2: There is two farmers from this thing. There's nothing wrong
29:09
Speaker 2: with eating meat and milk from foot and mouth disease animals.
29:12
Speaker 2: I'm not saying animals should have foot and mouth, but
29:15
Speaker 2: the farmers shouldn't be punished for that. And the pharmaceutical
29:20
Speaker 2: industry is not gonna They're not your friend. They're not
29:24
Speaker 2: gonna save you, and certainly not government's gonna save So
29:27
Speaker 2: if you think government's gonna ride in and rescue you
29:30
Speaker 2: from foot and mouth, you are totally delusional.
29:33
Speaker 3: In fact, our government is being anti the farmers.
29:36
Speaker 2: Hey, they have been blocking certain guys bringing vaccines in
29:39
Speaker 2: because there's not a pharmacy.
29:40
Speaker 3: But believe the vaccines work.
29:41
Speaker 2: But they've been the government's block them, and the vaccines
29:45
Speaker 2: don't do anything. I don't know.
29:48
Speaker 3: I'm not even my animal is not gonna be vaccinated.
29:51
Speaker 2: Okay, So I can't go there. I can't comment down there.
29:54
Speaker 2: I know that more than two million cattle have been vaccinated
29:57
Speaker 2: and the disease is running rampant.
29:58
Speaker 1: I heard it's like an easier point two percent of
30:00
Speaker 1: the tire herd population.
30:02
Speaker 2: Well the herd is the herd is fourteen million apparently, Okay,
30:07
Speaker 2: And and and the and the government was making big
30:09
Speaker 2: song and dance about producing its own vaccines and they
30:11
Speaker 2: can do twelve thousands, like it's like a John cleeskit man.
30:17
Speaker 3: Who, by the way, yesterday I said, I'm going to
30:21
Speaker 3: be in breach.
30:21
Speaker 2: Of UK free speech regulations, so they're gonna have to
30:23
Speaker 2: put me in jail.
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Speaker 3: John Keleese, Yeah, good man.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what so it's former Angers dot said as today.
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