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#303: Jack-O (1995) - Tubi or Not to Be · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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movie? There aren't any dead people in
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the suburbs. Welcome to What's Your Least
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Favorite Scary Movie? The podcast where we talk about
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the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd and all of our
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favorite. And least favorite scary movies?
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Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has its fan
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base. Even if we don't always get it.
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My name's Travis. My name's Jesse and welcome back
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to our monthly bonus series To be Our, Not to Be.
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We are live, we are uncut, and we are mostly undrawn.
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This is our monthly bonus series where we go through the free
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streaming services and find maybe those hidden gems that
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we've never seen before. Yeah, perhaps.
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Maybe we found 1 today even. We shall see, yeah.
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We shall see. It was my month to pick
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everybody and as always, I usually end up with the October
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month, so I go for the spooky. You get October, I get prom.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm OK with that trade off.
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So I wanted to go with a a Halloween themed 1 and Jacko
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just kind of popped up one day and I was like hey what's that
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about? That really sounds like somebody
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saying like like it could be at Diablo Cody of just saying
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nothing, striking out nil 0, not a.
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Jacko Yeah. Well, that's how some people
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feel about this. Not even.
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But yeah, Jacko, that's what we're talking about today.
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I'm sure some of you are aware of it.
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Maybe you're not aware of it. We're going to change that
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today. Yes, for better or for worse,
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is. It very At the very least, you
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are aware that this is a movie that exists now.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So. But before we get into that, do
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we have anything you need to announce?
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No, this is a bonus. We don't do all that.
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We don't do announcements on those.
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OK. Whoa.
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OK. It's also live, so that's not
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gonna be cut out. So, all right, let's get on into
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Jacko, then. OK, First off, I'll tell you why
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I picked this one, OK? I am.
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I was, like, somewhat aware of the reputation of this movie.
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It doesn't have a good one, but I was curious, you know,
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sometimes those movies have potential to be dumb fun, or
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maybe they're just dumb dumb. And I wanted to find out for
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sure about this one. So yeah, I went with this one.
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I went with Jacko here. OK.
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Jacko released October 10th, 1995.
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Meaning Jesse, the day that we watched this for the show, we
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watched it on its 20th anniversary.
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Well, how I know. I can't believe it actually
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happened that way. But hey, you know what?
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That's the way to do it. We watched it on Tubie.
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You can watch it on Tubie, too. I don't know where else you can
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watch it because, yeah, this is a tubie.
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Or not to be so. This was written by Patrick
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Moran, who did the screenplay with Story by Fred Olin Ray and
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Brad Little Weaver. Directed by Steve Lashaw, music
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by Jeffrey Walton and special effects makeup by Todd Palmer.
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OK, starring Ryan Lashaw as Sean and Andrew Kelly, Catherine
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Walsh as Vivian, Gary Doles as David Kelly, Madison Crown as
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Linda Kelly, Linnea Quigley as Carolyn, Rachel Carter as Julie,
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Tom Ferda as Jim and Patrick Moran as Jacko.
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All right, fine, fine. Time for our favorite game on
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the show. Budget or button?
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Oh well. This.
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Is this is incredibly bug Ted and the director hates
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everybody? Yeah, not because, well, partly
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for that actually. Yeah, kind of because of the the
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low budget in this of this movie, but yeah, this is 100% a
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bug. Ted, I don't have the budget for
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this, but you can look at it and you can just listen to snippets
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of the the director and producer audio commentary.
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Pissed off as he is, my estimation is a handful of
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nickels and some pocket lint. Yeah, he yeah.
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OK, like, all right, so here's one of the things, OK, we don't
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go into, we don't deep dive on 2BS or not 2 BS.
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But I was curious because I was looking through this movie and I
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just kept seeing mentions of how heated the commentary track is
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for this. It's one of the it's probably
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more notorious for that than is the movie itself.
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And we listen to like a 15 minute like compilation of some
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of the most tense moments and Fred Olin Ray and Steve Lashaw
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just fucking hate each other. It's it's impressive, it's
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really entertaining. I recommend anybody out there
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like listen to these clips. I.
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Think the commentary honestly might be more fun than the movie
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itself. Yeah, I think like if I were to
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ever do a rewatch of this, I want to do it with the
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commentary always. Yeah.
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But, you know, I'm sure we'll we'll have moments to kind of
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shine a light on how tense that was when we're talking about the
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movie. But yeah.
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All right. So I have three other movies
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from 1995 to compare it to. I went with Deadly Foods.
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Nice is just, even though we're not using pumpkin in the context
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of eating it is that. It is still a food that is being
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used in deadly fashions. It's deadly fashion for you
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always because you're allergic. Yeah, pumpkin.
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I can't have it, you know? And I resent everybody that can
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have pumpkin and enjoy it because it does taste good, you
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included. I'm sorry.
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Same thing with strawberry. You know, I I don't like you if
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you can eat those things and I can't.
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OK. Well, you're the only reason
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that we still have cinnamon in this house, so.
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Well hey, I never said I wasn't a hypocrite.
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OK, so the first movie is Blood and Doughnuts.
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That is, that's about, from what I gathered, a vampire falling in
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love with somebody that works at a donut shop.
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Honestly same if I was a vampire.
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Speaking of donut shops and cinnamon, we went to one
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yesterday and Jesse couldn't have one because the only vegan
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donut was cinnamon based and pumpkin base.
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Really didn't say much. Like we walked up to the
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counter, saw that and the person behind the counter goes hi and
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we're like bye and just walked away.
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And I don't know what went through her head in that moment.
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In fact, we went to the shop right across the street.
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So like, what the fuck happened? What did we do to offend them?
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That came out September 9th 1995.
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I don't have the budget but I made $350,000 and a 5.9 on IMDb.
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Forgot to mention the I don't have any of the financials
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obviously for this movie Jacko but the IMDb is 3.5.
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Really. Yeah, that high.
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Rarely do I look at that IMDb. That's a high rating.
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Or fair, like, you know, good. Like I'm usually like, pump the
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numbers up. But I think, OK, let's, let's
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reserve talk for that here in a second movie #2 Candyman 2,
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Farewell to the Flesh. Oh, OK.
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Yeah. Candy again, not, you know,
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really being used here, but I don't know why.
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Why is he called the Candyman? Sweets to the sweet.
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But he never he just has like bees.
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Read your fucking back sheet. OK, I'm don't go off script.
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OK fine. That came out March 17th, 1990.
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Five $6 million budget $13 million gross 5.3 out of 10
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IMDb. OK movie #3 Jesse on script.
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Movie #3 Ice cream man. OK.
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That released May 9th, 1995 with a $2 million budget.
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Don't have the gross directive. Video IMDb 4.8 out of 10.
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Oh, Clint Howard. Yeah, Clint Howard, he he did
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his best. There's another guy that got mad
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about the movie that he was in there.
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He. I know, that's why I'm afraid to
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say anything else about it because.
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You don't want to offend him. He does not like a loving send
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up. No, he, yeah.
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OK, so I got some tag lines here.
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First one, he's back. It's like 3A's in there, so you
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have to draw it out a little bit.
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Back from where? From the grave?
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That only really works as a sequel tag line.
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Yeah, I agree. But he does rise from the grave,
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so I guess, I guess from. The grave.
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Too. And the second one, it's harvest
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time. It's Mormon time.
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It just, I don't know, I, I feel bad for Steve Lashaw 'cause he
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seems like he really wanted this thing to be like a big thing,
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but it seems like everybody else just like, half baked everything
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related to this movie. He was the only one that cared.
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Yeah, I think. I don't know.
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OK, even from what we heard of the commentary, his son wasn't
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even that into it. Yeah.
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His son plays the lead role. Yeah, it's funny.
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He's like, he asked his son, I was like, OK, do you want to do
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the Western movie that you only shoot for four days, or do you
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want to be a lead in a movie that you shoot on weekends?
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And he's like, I want to do the West.
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Man tried to emotionally manipulate his own child.
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It's. Like, too bad you're doing my
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movie. You're going to wake up at 2:00
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AM and do takes in the middle of the night on your weekends.
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Why else would I have children? Man.
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Just like in the olden days. And that's why families used to
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have kids, just to carry on the families.
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And if you were wondering, does the commentary go into personal
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attacks on his son? Yes, it does.
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Fred Olin Ray is like, yeah, he's usually carrying a gun
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these days. And he's like, all right, let's
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leave the kids out of this. All right, let's leave the
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family out of this. Jesus Christ, the poor kids.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so let's do our good, bad,
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ugly and absurd. OK, All right.
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Is that it? Just those two tag lines.
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That's it. Yeah.
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My God. Yeah.
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None of them are even on the poster.
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OK. Good.
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I mean, Linnea Quigley is always worth at least a point, yeah.
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And they argued over her, even. Yeah, the.
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First shot of her and she's naked.
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I was like, yeah, it's Linnea Quigley.
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They were arguing like it was like it could have been placed a
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little bit better. And I'm like, I don't know, man.
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Like you like Fred, Owen, Ray. Standard Linnea quickly.
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Fred Owen Ray, he came across like I this is the first I've
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ever heard him speak. He came across as a real one.
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He's like, well, if like her fans, like, that's what they
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expect. If you don't put that kind of
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scene in a movie with her, it's been really Linnea.
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Yeah. And it's like, nobody's going to
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care where it's placed. Like it's just a naked Linnea
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Quigley. And at least in the shower or it
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makes. Sense Yeah, it does.
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Like she's not just like, you know, rubbing her butt in boobs
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like in like the fucking dressing room, You know what I
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mean? It, I mean, it's a really
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inefficient shower for showering purposes, but for Linnea Quigley
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body ogling purposes, that's where we're at.
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Yeah, that's that's how it is. OK, so there's that.
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I think there were some fun moments in it, like the stuff
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with the the to, to steal a phrase from one of our friends,
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the patriotic household. Oh, is that what you call it?
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Yeah, yeah, there's, it's a couple of patriots that live
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there. They.
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That's one way to put it. They their bits were fun because
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they were obviously just meant to be kind of like little side
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characters and add to the Canon fodder.
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So I thought those parts were interesting.
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I think that this creepy lady that showed up, I thought her in
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the first half was a lot more fun.
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I don't think the payoff worked out.
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I think they forgot about her motivation.
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Yeah, halfway through. Honestly, and I, I loved
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honestly, this did feel like 1990s Halloween though.
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Like I even told you, I remember going into all of the haunted
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houses and people's garages and I was like, you can't do that in
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2025. You can't just be like, hey,
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come into my garage. It's totally cool.
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Like people don't do that anymore.
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Yeah, I questioned you on that. But then I remembered I was
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actually like an actor in one of those, like one of my friends,
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like actually had one of those made-up.
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Oh, we made one in one of my friend's garages.
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Really. We made a whole maze and
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everything for it. So people had to come in and
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they'd be scared and then I'd leave.
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Yeah, you know, you're right. I actually had the same trick or
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treat outfit as the kid, like the prisoner outfit.
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I did that one year for Halloween.
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Yeah, you're right. This is a very 90s Halloween.
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Yeah. And I think that's just, this is
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such a special time capsule. There's, I'm trying not to be
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like that old person I was like back in my day.
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Like I, I do have nostalgia for that.
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I understand why things have changed.
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It makes me sad. But hopefully, like our nieces
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and nephews are going to have fond memories of their own
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Halloweens and trick or treatings when they're older and
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they'll be able to appreciate like what the kids are getting
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these days now. You know what I mean?
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Like understand that it's different for them.
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And I don't want to, I want to ruin it for them.
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But I'd be like man, you you know nothing about trick or
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treating. Is it permanently trunk or
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treats now? Is that how everybody does it
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now? I don't know.
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I don't think it's permanently trick or treats.
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Those are a lot more common, but we still get trick or treaters
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in our neighborhood. It's definitely easier on like
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the Halloween weekends. You know, it's also the fact I
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maybe they did it like this. I always remember trick or
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treating on actual Halloween day, but now they like schedule
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weekends. Like, all right, it's October
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21st, but this is when we're trick or treating this year.
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And that's always super weird. And we we've got.
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A lot of like parents driving their kids, which I understand
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with the little ones, but also I don't because I we we're in a
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walkable neighborhood. Yeah, we are.
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We're in a walkable neighborhood, but again, things
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are the way they are and all we can do is just try and have like
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a fun yard and be the house that's like scary and always has
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good candy like. Yeah, we do our.
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Best, that's what we do, and we're making it work for us as
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adults in the new trick or treating landscape, and that's
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all you can do. That had nothing to do with the
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movie. End rant.
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End rant. Back on.
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Scrape Travis. Yeah, OK.
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Well, man, it's hard, man, OK, it sucks because this is the
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kind of movie they like. I feel like I would like to.
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Love, I want to love this. Yeah, I do too.
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But holy shit, this movie was hard to love.
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But I there are some things I did like about it.
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I really do like the Jacko character.
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That was one of the things that did draw me in because I watched
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the trailer before I picked this.
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It's like, oh, that looks like a fun slasher villain right there.
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I like how it's a glow like the Jack O Lantern actually has the
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candle inside of the. Head, yeah, glowing eyes and
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everything and like, yeah, you know, he actually has like the
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pumpkin head thing and he's. Got like the vines coming out of
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him. I think that the honest.
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Side has a weapon. The character design for Jacko
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is great. Yeah, that was the thing that
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drew me into this movie The most.
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And you know, like he goes about OK enough in this movie.
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So they had they had that going. I will say I think this may have
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been Renee Quigley's best acting work ever.
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She's not a strong actor. I always say that.
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But like, I was a charisma. She played a different type of
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character this time. She played the responsible
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character. And I'm not used to seeing her
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being that person. She's always the irresponsible
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person. Is this, is this the key?
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Because I feel like we said the same thing about Sharia Moon
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Zombie and Rob Zombie's Halloween.
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We're like, she's a mother, she gets to be maternal.
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She's so sweet and caring. This is her best acting.
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Yeah, OK, I was going to say, but she did.
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She did do a strip. Yeah.
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But then again, we saw Lydia Quigley with.
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The children she needed to get money for her house.
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Yeah, but she also kind of prostituted herself there
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towards the end. She needed money.
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OK, she did. But I I was going to say also we
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got Renee Quigley showering here too.
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So like, you know, it's the same thing applies.
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You're right. That's about it for the good.
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I could say unfortunately. OK, So what?
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What's bad? What what did not work for this?
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This movie felt like it really wanted to be the next
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Pumpkinhead. Yeah, that was one of the things
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I saw. It gets a lot of comparisons to
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Pumpkinhead. And I think part of the problem
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with this movie is he overcomplicated it.
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He did. There are way too many elements
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to this. I think this works better if
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it's just simpler and then, like you said, Vivian.
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OK. I thought that was going to make
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a sound because normally the popups make a sound.
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The Vivian character, it seems like she was related to the
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murderer, So I thought she was going to end up being like, a
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secondary big bad. Yeah.
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And that's not how that ended up happening.
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And we just don't really get a lot of information about that.
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There are just random things that happen, like why is there a
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neighbor taking Sean into the woods to tell scary stories?
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They. Never got an explanation for
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that. Yeah, we we don't, and I truly
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don't understand either. They filmed that after
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everything else, even like I I don't know, he's like we need to
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like we need to fucking kick start this movie.
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We need to get like this old man and get this child alone in the
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woods and old bad. Also, Robert Carradine was in
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the opening credits. David.
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Or David Carradine. No, no.
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Robert Carradine, you're right. OK, OK.
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It's his dad. Oh, they're both, Roberts.
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I is David, Short for Robert. I'm so confused I thought I had
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the name mixed up and then you're like no Robert and I'm
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confused. The guy that you, the guy that
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you were thinking of, the Carradine from Kill Bill that
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plays Bill, it's his dad that's in this movie.
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OK. Which one is Robert?
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Which one's David? Got it.
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Now you're going to make me do it.
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OK, I was going to try. There's such generic names I
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can't keep track. OK, hold on a second.
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Oh thank God I still have the IMDb for Jacko pulled up on my
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phone here I. Hope that your algorithm gets
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skewed exclusively exclusively to Jacko type.
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Wouldn't hate it, it's John Carradine.
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John Carradine. He plays Walter Mac Machen,
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Macon Macon Macon. I don't think it's Macon Machen.
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She never, she never says that. It's always like, because I
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remember I wrote down her name is Vivian Mackie at first.
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Okay, Mackin. Yeah, okay.
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Well, yeah, and I was reading that apparently they filmed his
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scenes eight years before the movie, and I don't understand
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how that works. This movie came out after he
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died, that's why. Every time we saw Walter in the
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dream, his mouth wasn't moving. You thought it was because it
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was a mask. It was the, the, the bottom part
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of the mask didn't move like you could see, but like the top
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half, like I, I don't know, maybe it maybe it wasn't, I
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don't know. This is all very confusing and
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that's what I'm saying. Like a movie like this shouldn't
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be this confusing. Yeah, regardless if you can't
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remember which Carradine is which like this, there's there
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is too much happening in this and none of it has a really
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satisfying pay off. Yeah.
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There's also a couple of moments where like, I want to give this
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movie credit and then it ruins it for me because there is this
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is one of those movies that explains like why sound design
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is so important and why music is so important.
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Cuz a lot of times it just feels awkward.
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And there's one moment where I thought it was actually a really
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cool transition cuz the Jim, the motorcycle guy, the boyfriend,
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he is out in the woods and he lights a cigarette and the sound
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of the Zippo like happens right as we cut over to Julie, the
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girlfriend. And I was like, oh, that's
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really cool. That was a nice moment.
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Wish there were more of this. And then it flashes back to him
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and he's. Starting a new lighting the
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cigarette and I was like, well this just fucking ruined that
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for me. Yeah, yeah, that was one of the
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things that stood out to me too, was the sound.
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It was, and it was such a stark difference going from this to
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Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which also has a lot of, like,
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ambient sound. Yeah, but it's done so much more
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proficiently. Yeah.
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And I'm not, I really am not trying to hate on this movie or
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hate on Latch or anything because again, we've never made
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a movie. I'm just pointing out things
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that made it an uncomfortable watch.
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I, I felt for him in that, in some of the things he was
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talking about there, he was like, well, under the time
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crunch, in the circumstances, I'd finish one shot and then by
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the time I say cut, they're already moving everything over
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to the next shot. It's like, you know, I it sounds
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bad. It sounds like it was a rough
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time. Yeah.
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It sounds like it was rushed. You didn't really have a lot of
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control. You're the director.
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You should probably be able to, like, have some bit of control
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of like how things are going. But yeah, but he's, he was way
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too sour. Yeah, on everything.
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Like, I, I like Fred Owen. He's like, you just got to like
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have like a good spirit about this kind of thing, man.
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Just laugh at it. And honestly like directors
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having that kind of a feeling towards a movie can really ruin
21:43
it. The director for a mutilator is
21:45
getting a shit ton of hate right now because his second one came
21:47
out and he has gone and copyright claimed every single
21:53
YouTube video that has ever spoken about mutilator.
21:55
What? Really.
21:56
Yeah. When did that happen?
21:57
Oh, it's been, I've been seeing it on the dead meats.
22:01
I've read it 'cause he put out a mutilator kill account that
22:04
copyright claimed. And everybody in the comments
22:06
was like, oh, this person did too.
22:07
This person did too. And that's such a shame because
22:10
I remember us talking about it and being really excited that
22:12
there is a sequel coming out and it just kind of like sours your
22:16
taste on it when somebody use. Yeah, just a grump about.
22:20
It that is weird. Especially cuz like, it's not
22:23
like people are uploading the full movie to watch.
22:25
It's like a fair use. It's a discussion, it's a
22:27
critique. I know that James has said that
22:30
usually drives traffic to the movies.
22:32
For them, yeah, it makes people aware that something like that
22:35
exists and then they wanna go see it for themselves.
22:37
Yeah. So yeah, it's just it's and I
22:41
can't imagine. I mean, we put ourselves out
22:45
there, you know as well, but this is not like as big as
22:48
scale. No, but we've gotten bad
22:50
reviews. But we've gotten bad reviews,
22:53
and all we can do is laugh it off because we're not going to
22:55
be the podcast for every person. Yeah, much like the movies we
22:59
discuss, we have our audience. Yeah.
23:02
And I get how that goes. And I'm not going to try and get
23:04
bitter about it. And we're not going to, like,
23:06
snipe at each other over it unless we're just having a bad
23:08
day in general because we're humans.
23:09
But yeah, that's not the vibe we want to put out there.
23:12
So that's just such a shame because this could be one of
23:16
those like, cult classics that if everybody can get in on the
23:19
joke, but that's not what's happening.
23:22
And you can feel that. Yeah, on the screen, definitely.
23:25
OK. Do you have any other bats?
23:26
Sad. I think I did enough.
23:29
OK, I've done enough here. Oh, I'm sorry, I have to now
23:34
share mine. So I think like one of the
23:38
things about this movie that just what kind of kills it for
23:41
me is it feels slow. Like I feel like I'm watching a
23:45
movie in slow motion. Every time.
23:47
This is one of those movies that every time you pause it, I would
23:49
be like, how much do we have for?
23:51
That it's not even a long movie. I think it's like an hour 20.
23:53
Yeah. And I just.
23:56
There's just nothing that happens, Like nothing happens to
24:00
really progress things. Jacko kind of rises after some
24:04
teens get him disturbed, like, mess with his grave.
24:08
And then he's just kind of wondering about.
24:10
And it's all very loose and like, it's like he'll go in one
24:14
place and then like the next scene he's in a completely
24:16
different place. And then like the next scene,
24:18
he's back in that one place again.
24:20
It's like, just like, there's no consistency to any of it.
24:23
Like we could have had a really fun mash between like
24:26
Pumpkinhead, Night of the Demons, and Trick or Treat with
24:29
the way they did different types of lore and getting the demon
24:32
out and everything, but that's not what ended up coming out.
24:35
Yeah, it just, I don't know, it felt kind of scatterbrained
24:39
everything. And there's just like hardly any
24:43
tension in this movie because like, I I don't, I just doesn't
24:50
feel like it was thought out. I I just really don't know what
24:53
they were trying to do. Like they had these like little
24:55
tiny story things like the garage scare thing, but nothing
24:58
really came of that. Yeah.
25:00
And like. What, One incident of the garage
25:04
getting a little bit messed up and instead of fixing it,
25:05
they're like, well. Yeah, shut her down.
25:09
Fuck charity. Paint spilled.
25:11
Fuck, that's it. I'm ruined.
25:15
I'll never, I will never find out.
25:19
We recover from that. And that's why the old man
25:26
swooped in at the end. He's like, and that's how I
25:28
became your daddy. Just lost custody of a little
25:35
kid. Oh no, man, we've already kind
25:38
of talked about plenty about the bad stuff.
25:39
So what? What about the ugly stuff?
25:45
That I don't I I this is one of those that I feel like the
25:52
behind the scenes is so ugly and it has just.
25:54
That sheds mind. Yeah, yeah, the the.
25:57
I did feel really bad for her, for the director at one point,
26:00
though, because where he was like, oh, those were fake legs
26:02
in the grave, because I can imagine covering my son in dirt.
26:04
And I was like, I hope you wouldn't do that too.
26:06
Any child, actually. I'm glad you don't want to bury
26:09
your set of. Life this was post we haven't
26:11
even talked like he stormed out at one point like fuck you, fuck
26:14
you, you can do this commentary on your own and then he comes
26:16
back and sister. Was like, he went for a bathroom
26:19
break. We can't pause this.
26:21
I was like, because you can't pause this.
26:23
We know it wasn't a bathroom. He was like, yeah, it's like,
26:25
it's a shame. I wish we can, you know, pause
26:27
and clean this stuff up. But we do these in our office
26:29
now and we kind of just say it is what it is at this point.
26:32
We do commentary tracks in our living room and.
26:36
We pause. There's never been an instinct,
26:39
regardless of how much time. We could tell you outside first
26:41
or she won't be like I need to go in.
26:43
The Yeah. You can pause this shit.
26:47
The conversation keeps going back to this bit here, But yeah,
26:51
he was like, he came back and he's like, he was trying to,
26:55
like, actually give some insight.
26:57
He's like, yeah, like, I just don't like the idea of burying
26:59
my son. I was going through things at
27:01
the time, like what the fuck happened?
27:03
Man I'm so sad like I have I have empathy for this man but
27:09
also woof. He he takes a little bit too
27:13
seriously, man. This is like, I don't know when
27:14
they did the commentary for this, but like it was it was
27:18
enough time for him to maybe like be like, OK, yeah,
27:20
whatever. But this?
27:21
Is also what I'm saying when I say the commentary drag is far
27:24
more engaging than the actual movie.
27:26
Oh yeah, for sure. OK, what's your ugly?
27:29
So the hair in this era was fucking terrible.
27:36
I don't think anybody had a good head of hair in this entire
27:40
movie. Also the Watsons, the the
27:45
Patriots, the Patriots, the patriotic couple were pretty,
27:50
pretty ugly. the IT I was kind of with you there.
27:54
Like it was nice knowing that this was kind of how it was in
27:58
the 90s even like it's not like a new thing for this to be.
28:02
How was rhetoric that's being thrown around such?
28:04
A bummer to hear and I was like wow, it was 30 years later.
28:08
But it makes me, yeah, but there was some.
28:12
I don't understand why, but I was also like, Oh well, it's
28:15
nice to know like at least like, this isn't some kind of new type
28:19
of hatred. In fact, you all good news.
28:23
These are, in fact precedented times, Yeah.
28:26
But like the whole thing that the bit between them, apparently
28:29
this that couple was based off of some neighbors that Steve
28:35
Blackshaw here or whatever his name is grew up with in his
28:39
neighborhood. But like, they're they're
28:42
listening to this guy that is just spitting this like very
28:45
hateful stuff about, you know, like hating your liberal
28:51
neighbors and stuff. Yeah, it it's just basically
28:56
like turning on Fox News, you know, And yeah, maybe actually
29:00
more Infowars. I'd say it's more along the
29:03
lines of that Fox. News has gone to multiple trials
29:07
and said that they cannot be properly classified as news
29:12
because they're like, we use such heavy rhetoric.
29:15
Of course it's just entertainment and not news.
29:17
So that's not even I'm trying to, we're not being libelous.
29:23
That's their own claim from their legal department.
29:27
OK, what is your absurd? Yeah, I guess there's like a
29:37
couple of moments, but I guess one of them is Watson or
29:41
Watkins, whatever his name is. When he's mad at his wife for
29:44
leaving the porch light on because the trick or treaters
29:46
come by, he tells them. Nobody gets handouts in this
29:49
fucking household and he doesn't turn out the fucking light
29:54
again. I think he just wanted to be
29:55
able to harass children all night.
29:58
He's secretly happy that she left the board going on.
30:00
I bet you're right. Believe it or not, another
30:02
argument spawned from that in the commentary.
30:06
Because like, I thought it was a funny moment.
30:09
Again, one of those things that when you find like one of these,
30:12
if you find like a quote class like, you're like.
30:15
I. Light on, but the director was
30:16
like, I didn't have time to go back and reshoot that.
30:19
Yeah, yeah, he's like. It's hard keeping track of these
30:23
things. You know, like Fred Owen,
30:24
right's like Jesus. Not that big of a dude.
30:26
It's. Not that deep, man.
30:28
I like that he kept picking though.
30:29
He's like one of the later scenes that like the family's
30:32
house is like, oh I see a garlic hanging on the wall back then
30:36
and like the director's like observant, aren't you?
30:41
Oh man, my absurd is the wizard mask guy at the beginning
30:46
because we like anytime that they shoot dialogue of him like
30:50
it's always like they have to shoot away from like you see in
30:52
his face. So it's the back of his head and
30:53
then the reaction shots or just like his face.
30:56
I'm sorry. Wizard mask?
30:58
Don't you mean Robert De Niro mask?
31:01
Yeah, it doesn't have the Robert De Niro eyes to it.
31:04
You're right. It's my God, man, it's so weird.
31:08
They did. It's a cool looking mask but God
31:11
like they you could tell the mouth wouldn't move.
31:14
Yeah, it's oh man, this movie. Is irresponsible.
31:17
Also, we have Linnea Quigley's character Carolyn and the dad,
31:22
David. They have like a little
31:24
flirtation thing going on. And there's like a moment there
31:28
where something about like him being like a big kid at heart or
31:33
whatever. She's like, oh, that's OK, I
31:35
like kids. And she says that in a sexual
31:38
way. So gross.
31:39
Yeah, that's not the the sexy hit you.
31:42
Are there to babysit their son? Yeah, yeah, that's that was just
31:47
kind of like a you don't make a wiggly.
31:48
Pass for that. Yeah, come on, That was just
31:51
really strange if. Anything that's a misty Quiggly.
31:54
Yeah. OK.
31:56
So that's it for all that stuff. What do you rate this?
32:02
I struggled with this and I really don't want to be mean but
32:06
I I am not the right audience for this.
32:10
OK, I'm gonna give it a 2. OK, yeah, I'm on the lower end
32:14
myself. I'm giving it a 3.
32:16
It's a 2 1/2 IMDb full one point lower.
32:22
Wait, did I do that just. Call us IMDb.
32:24
You said 2 1/2 IMDb. I did 2.
32:34
And a half average. All right, we're IMDb now, I
32:38
guess. OK, welcome to the IMDb podcast.
32:41
Please just do not take us down. All right, let's do this.
32:48
So I started off with a very uncomfortable fireside pumpkin
32:51
carving and scary storytelling. Potentially with this man not
32:56
being the father of little little child here will Kelly
33:00
all. Right, like I, I needed, I
33:02
needed to know more of why this guy has this child in the woods.
33:08
He's a neighbor. We learned that much later.
33:11
But why is he telling this story?
33:14
Yeah, we, we don't really have any movie reasoning.
33:17
I think the only reason they do this here is to set up old
33:20
Mister Jack as a character. And they even come up with a
33:23
little Jingle for him here. Let's see.
33:26
How's it go? Mister Jack will break your
33:27
back, cut off your head with a whack.
33:29
Whack. It's it's not bad.
33:34
That's a good old Jingle there. Yeah, I.
33:37
Don't know. So it's a legend based on
33:39
revenge, of course, because a long time ago there was a farm
33:42
boy and possible ancestor of Shawn because his name is also
33:45
Kelly. And I wrote he may have lost his
33:48
dad, who helped hang a town killer, because we get a
33:52
flashback scene to the young Kelly boy on the farm trying to
33:58
tell his dad not to go. Yeah, I, I truly don't
34:02
understand everything that's happening here.
34:04
It's all so weird. And it's just, I don't, I don't
34:08
know. There's not a lot of good
34:09
reasoning. So let's just get this out of
34:13
the way now instead of trying to untangle it throughout the movie
34:15
because it never gets fully untangled.
34:17
OK? There was a serial killer back
34:20
in the day. It was like 5 generations ago
34:24
and a town mob, mostly consistent of the Kelly family
34:31
did mob justice and they lynched the the killer and he cursed
34:36
them to all die within the year. But that curse didn't come true,
34:42
and apparently there was an additional addendum to this
34:45
curse, that the 5th generation son would be the one to defeat
34:53
Mr. Pumpkin Man, who I guess is also Walter Mackin.
34:56
Yeah, it's so like it's so specific, the 5th iteration of
35:02
the Kelly. Yeah, and Vivian says it like
35:04
it's obvious. Yeah.
35:06
So that's what we're going with. That's what's happening
35:10
throughout all of this movie, if it makes sense.
35:16
No, yeah. And OK, so after all of that, we
35:21
now see a little Sean, Sean Kelly.
35:24
He wakes up at night, he peeks out his window and he sees Jacko
35:27
creeping out there. He's getting visions of Jacko.
35:31
So then the next day, he is walking home from school with
35:35
Robbie and Sarah, I think are their names.
35:37
Yeah. There.
35:39
Robbie believes in the pumpkin Jack.
35:41
And he also says there's a witch in the neighborhood and it's
35:45
just a woman in a car, but whatever.
35:48
Like kids got a kid. Yeah, but he's kind of right.
35:51
Right. Like she's like the descendant
35:53
of the wizard. So she's kind of a witch.
35:55
Yeah. I don't know.
35:55
She's she's here doing some mystical shit.
35:57
Yeah, So he starts throwing rocks at her car, and Sean says,
36:02
no, don't do that. And so then Rob's like, eat
36:05
dirt. And then the witch, also Vivian,
36:07
comes up and is like, hey, break it up, kids.
36:10
And then she's like, Sean, do you want to get in my car?
36:12
And he says, no, stranger danger.
36:14
That was very big in the 90s. He's like, well, can I walk you
36:18
home? He goes, I see no problem with
36:19
that. So they get home and she tells
36:25
his dad that they had a fight, but he was like defending her.
36:30
And then she sees that he's thinking about Banner for a
36:33
haunted house and which they call a spook house the entire
36:36
time. I don't like that haunted house.
36:37
It's an alliteration. It's a well known term.
36:40
I'm going to say haunted house. I kind of like Spook House.
36:42
I don't. Yeah, I don't.
36:45
OK, yeah, she offers to help him out with it.
36:47
Yeah. And he's like, yeah, awesome.
36:49
Cool. And then Sean goes into his
36:51
bedroom and he's got a Narnia closet.
36:55
He has these bifold doors that just lead out into the woods.
36:59
So he goes out there and he's just seeing the past.
37:05
These are visions. I guess he passed in real time.
37:08
This kids like laying face down on the floor.
37:10
Yeah, Sean Kelly in real time is having an absent seizure.
37:15
That is Bowman at the mouth. That is.
37:17
Well, no, that's not how an absence, an absence seizure is
37:19
an actual thing. Oh.
37:20
OK, I'm sure. But yeah, so Vivian tells
37:26
Shawn's parents that she is researching her great, great
37:28
grandpa Mackie. And she said we actually have
37:32
history, the Kelly's and the Mackie's Mackins.
37:36
See, I wrote Mackie on my notes and we cut back to Shawn.
37:41
He's outside of Kelly's farm. He sees Daniel and Jewel.
37:46
The the young boy and the wife are just dead in the barn.
37:50
And the father, that was like putting together his cross and
37:54
going to go like fight whatever he is like, no.
38:00
So he survived that night, I guess.
38:03
I don't know. Vivian comes into Shawn's
38:05
bedroom. Why are you wandering around
38:06
this house, lady? Yeah, stressful to me as she
38:10
brings Sean back out into the living room.
38:12
And, like, Mom's like, Oh my God, are you OK?
38:14
And she's like, Sean's OK. Sean's OK, aren't you?
38:16
Aren't you, Sean? You're fine.
38:17
You just had a moment. But it's OK.
38:20
And like, I'm Team Linda in this moment who's like, you get the
38:24
fuck out of my house. Yeah, I would like everybody's
38:27
getting creepy vibes except for David and Sean, which is weird,
38:31
but you know, yeah, she's she's kind of a creepy person.
38:34
And Sean is a kid. OK, Yeah.
38:37
That's all we need to know. OK, so let's see there.
38:45
Are teens drinking on the side of the road?
38:46
Yeah, they're, they're going looking for the Oakmoor
38:48
Cemetery. They're just want to cause some
38:51
mischief on Halloween nights or All Hallows Eve.
38:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They know that it's where the
38:58
old Kelly farm used to be, but one of the teams, one of the
39:01
teens, says my opening quote, which is that there aren't any
39:03
dead people in the suburbs. Yeah, which?
39:07
Learn more about the suburbs kid.
39:08
Plenty of dead people. Oh yeah, several.
39:11
And one of them, Shannon, tosses one of the beers into the woods
39:16
and. Gross.
39:16
We'll do that. Well, the other guy, a teen
39:19
desperate for beer, goes chasing after it and he drinks what
39:23
little dribblets are left on the ground.
39:25
OK, but how do you know that that's the same beer that was
39:27
thrown and it wasn't from previous teens that checked
39:31
their near empties into the woods?
39:33
Just imagine like out there, there's just like a whole yard
39:36
of like cans out there and just people licking.
39:38
This is This is why teens get mono.
39:40
I'm just like, it's like cats out there, like, you know,
39:43
looking like the water on the ground.
39:45
Dude, I somebody set up a camera under their glass table, under
39:50
the glass of water and just caught like the time lapse of
39:54
their cats coming over and like sniffing the water, licking it,
39:57
tapping it with their paw. It was amazing.
39:59
What? These people are doing sniffing,
40:02
licking, tapping the beer cans, you know?
40:05
That's my, that's my mom's mute. That's my mom's kitten.
40:07
He doesn't see it. Yeah.
40:09
He tries to seal her beer all the time.
40:10
When she's drinking, she's like, stop it.
40:13
That cat goes hard. So in doing so, they discover
40:17
one of the tombstones there. It's for Arthur Kelly.
40:21
Yeah, they OK, So we're cutting back and forth between different
40:27
things. We find out that the haunted
40:29
house at the Kelly House is the present day Kelly House.
40:32
It's to raise money for a homeless shelter, which I think
40:34
is actually kind of a cool thing.
40:36
Yeah, that is nice, Yeah. We cut back to the teens in the
40:40
woods. 2 of the teens I'm going to give credit because I know I
40:44
hate teenagers and scaring me these a lot and I'm afraid of
40:47
real life teenagers. But two of them are like hey
40:51
it's probably not cool to disturb this grave.
40:53
Please leave the cross in the ground to the third one.
40:56
So for a moment, they're OK. Yeah, yeah, they're just like
41:00
admiring the graves here and there is like a makeshift cross
41:03
in one of them there. It's just made out of two things
41:05
that stick and one of them removes the cross.
41:09
Yep, and the the other one finds a scythe from the ground.
41:15
Yeah, and that's just Jimmy's the riles of old Jacko there.
41:23
I don't feel like that's how that's saying.
41:24
Riles the jimmies. Russell, you don't rile jimmies,
41:28
you Russell jimmies. We need to stop recording early
41:33
in the morning. This is weird.
41:35
It is. I don't know, man.
41:36
This is movie. I don't know.
41:37
It's all backwards. It's making me all backwards and
41:40
jumbled. OK, we cut to Linda.
41:42
I need to talk about this moment because the audacity.
41:45
Linda calls Caroline to babysit and Carolyn's like, well, it's
41:49
Halloween, I have a party I'm going to and Linda's like just
41:52
great. Who else am I supposed to get to
41:53
babysit the last second? Well, Linda, it sounds like you
41:57
hadn't arranged this beforehand. Like Carolyn's not flaking on
42:00
you. She just had plans because you
42:02
waited until the day before to call her to babysit.
42:07
Let's let's. And also they're not leaving
42:10
their own property. Thank you, I was about to
42:13
actually go into that. Let's dive even further into how
42:15
weird this is. They're just in their spook
42:18
garage at the house. Why do they need a babysitter?
42:21
And they don't even need both of them to be there if the issue is
42:24
the trick or treating like one person can handle taking dollar
42:28
bills. I mean, yeah, it's just, it
42:32
doesn't make any sense. This whole thing, yeah, this
42:35
whole thing is nonsense. But but Carolyn's like, well, my
42:39
sister Julie is visiting from college.
42:40
She's super responsible as she's outside drinking on a
42:43
motorcycle. So like, I will bring her with
42:45
me and she can take over when I go to the party.
42:47
And Linda, who has no problem having strange women watch over
42:50
her son, says sounds like a good deal.
42:54
I also need to point out, because here's the thing, La Boo
42:57
boos, it's not a novel concept, right?
43:00
Like having a different doll face put onto a stuffed animal.
43:03
We've seen boost of that over the years at Scarefest.
43:07
And I just need to point out that in 1995, Sean Kelly has a
43:11
fucking La Boo Boo. Not not a la Boo Boo brand La
43:14
Boo Boo, but like the ancest, the spiritual ancestor to him.
43:18
What is the Lou Boo Boo? Oh, you are not familiar with
43:20
the Lou Boo Boo. I don't think so.
43:24
Oh, you know, loo Boo Boo. Yeah.
43:29
OK, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
43:30
So like we've we've seen those various places.
43:33
Loo Boo Boo is just the brand that has become well known, and
43:37
now it's kind of from me getting like the zip bot, Kleenex,
43:40
whatever treatment where you use the brand name, even if it
43:42
doesn't actually apply to the, yeah, actual thing you're
43:44
talking about. That makes sense.
43:45
Yeah. So Sean has a fucking Boo Boo so
43:48
you guys know. Good for you Sean.
43:49
You need something here cuz clearly it's just a pretty bad
43:52
home life there. OK?
43:54
Vivian finds the truck of the teens out in the woods.
43:58
She's just kind of wandering around I guess.
44:00
Doing research on Oakmoor here. Yeah, and the teens have decided
44:03
that they're not gonna continue to be good teens because they do
44:05
end up disturbing the graves. Sean is having Jacko nightmares
44:13
and is seeing this happening as Viviana's witnessing it in
44:16
person. So Jack go kills Brent and Paul
44:19
and chases Shannon, who is like running.
44:22
But then she does the horror movie thing where like she's
44:25
cornered, but she's not really cornered because it's just a
44:27
fucking tree and you move around the tree but she doesn't, so she
44:30
gets killed too. Yeah, Carolina and Julie get to
44:33
the Kelly house, but apparently it's really early, so I don't.
44:39
They're doing a run through, which I don't even know why you
44:41
need to do a run through. Babysitting, dress rehearsal, I
44:44
don't know, but Jim has driven them both there on his
44:46
motorcycle and then Sean asked his dad can I go see the
44:49
motorcycle? And Jim says yes, but don't
44:51
touch it. First off.
44:52
David says yes, but don't touch it.
44:54
Yeah, I want to know how that works with three people on a
44:57
motorcycle. That's not it's not legal.
45:00
That's not how that works. There's not enough room.
45:03
Like I know Ania Quigley is a tiny person, but like, even for
45:06
her as the third, that's too much.
45:08
Yeah, yeah. And then Jim, who has never met
45:13
this child before and apparently lives in a state where helmets
45:16
are optional, just takes this small child on his motorcycle
45:19
without a fucking helmet. They don't fucking care, this
45:23
kid. No stranger danger for Jim here.
45:27
I like how the director was like, listen, I'm not I'm gonna
45:30
bury my son in dirt, but I will let him be his own stunt person
45:34
without any protective. You're right.
45:36
Yeah, man, he didn't. He didn't care.
45:39
That kid. Poor kid.
45:41
Vivian shows Jim her family Bible, which includes a photo of
45:47
Walter Mackin at the front, and she says that he was accused of
45:51
sorcery back in the day and he was hanged 81 years ago today
45:56
and he cursed all Kelly's to die within one year's time.
46:00
But Arthur Kelly ended up surviving.
46:03
So that has made it so that way Walter is still a spirit.
46:13
Yeah. Is that?
46:15
Is that how we're interpreting? All of this, to sum it all up,
46:18
we got a pumpkin man out here now that's really old.
46:21
We got a pumpkin, man. So now it's night time, we got
46:26
kids trick or treating. It's the two kids from earlier
46:28
that were not friends, friends with Sean that fought him, you
46:32
know, whatever. And Sarah doesn't want to go to
46:34
the Watsons. Yeah, because they got a bad
46:38
reputation for being mean people.
46:40
And Robbie says he owns a grocery store.
46:42
Surely he will have good candy. And they go up there and he says
46:47
no handouts. I work for everything I have,
46:49
which honestly that's part of the reason that I'm pro kids
46:52
walking around cuz they're earning their candy.
46:54
They are, yeah. And I.
46:56
Don't mean that in a shitty way. I'm still gonna give kids candy
46:58
if they drive, but yeah. Well, don't drive kids, let your
47:01
parents. Drive.
47:01
Yeah, also that. So they decide that when he does
47:06
not give them candy, they're going to TP his house.
47:09
And by TP his house, I mean throw mostly full rolls of TP
47:13
onto the roof. That was one of my favorite
47:15
parts of the commentary there. It's like, you know, like they
47:18
wasted a whole roll of toilet paper on the the house here.
47:21
The church was like, they didn't waste.
47:24
He's just like, just like the exacerbated and like sigh like.
47:28
But I mean, I wrote in my notes the kids are very bad at TP ING.
47:31
They are, yeah. They're terrible.
47:32
I also liked his idea, like, you know, if they do like
47:34
screenings, this movie, like, you know, like Rocky Horror,
47:36
just like toss the toilet paper, you know, like that would be a
47:38
fun thing and. That's what I'm saying, this
47:41
movie could have like an endearing cult following if the
47:44
director would just lean into it.
47:45
Yeah, I mean, the community too, like, you know, make it happen.
47:50
So yeah. We learned about the Kelly's
47:51
door sticking. As Stephen Latchell said, yes,
47:55
that's what writers call foreshadowing.
47:59
Man, God, it was just like and. That time the producer wasn't
48:04
even being a shit. He was like, when I was buying
48:07
my house, I found a house where the door stuck and I told the
48:10
realtor, hey, this is a setup for a horror movie.
48:14
And the director's like actually.
48:16
Because he like, apparently it was like the trademark Olin Ray
48:20
sarcasm right here. I guess he thought like anytime
48:23
that he would make a comment, he just like, interpreted it as
48:26
sarcasm for whatever reason. But that right there I felt also
48:29
was legitimate. He was just trying to make that
48:31
conversation. We made jokes like that when we
48:34
were looking for our house because there was one where the
48:36
back door, like it's the old school.
48:37
You have to lock it from the inside to open it.
48:41
Yeah, with a key and everything. And we're like, shit, if we're
48:43
ever serial murdered like we're going to, how are we going to
48:47
get out? Yeah, it's it's a common thing
48:49
to to joke about. It's it's foreshadowing, it's a
48:52
trope. We're with you on this, Steven.
48:55
It's OK. You can be.
48:57
You can be OK with this. Poor guy.
49:02
OK, Carolyn and Julie arrive for real this time and they're
49:05
supposed to take Sean Trick or treating.
49:07
We go back to the Watsons and he hears more sounds outside, so he
49:11
goes out to yell at the teens that have taken off his hubcap
49:15
and thrown it. They didn't at least steal it,
49:16
they just took it off. He's mildly inconvenienced.
49:19
Gentle prank, as our friends at Pod Litum would say.
49:22
That's a pretty. I don't like that one though.
49:24
That one. Like yeah, but still, fuck that.
49:28
I mean, yeah, I'm not. I'm saying that it's like, OK,
49:31
I'm just saying in the long run I would rather deal with having
49:35
to put my hubcap on than cleaning up toilet paper in my
49:37
yard. I guess.
49:38
Yeah, yeah, one's a little bit easier to handle.
49:41
Yeah. Yeah.
49:43
So Richard goes out to stop and he gets gutted by old Jack.
49:47
Yep, and his wife finds him outside.
49:50
She runs in. They were eating toast on
49:53
Halloween night on their TV dinner trays.
49:56
I will actually, I'm going to give the movie good credit for
49:58
this one right here because he actually did the the classic
50:02
Riders trick. Foreshadowing here because we
50:04
see her, Amanda is her name. She slips on the rug for a
50:07
moment there and then she's like, ah, OK, whatever.
50:10
And she's trying to get the toaster going and it like kind
50:13
of shocks her and she's like, ah, we got to get that thing
50:15
fixed. And then when she sees that her
50:17
husband's dead, she runs inside to grab a knife, slips on the
50:21
rug again, grabbing the knife, and accidentally Jimmy in the
50:24
toaster, electrocuting her to death, saying.
50:26
The Watson's house is probably the most fun they had as a set
50:29
piece. Yeah, and I wish more of the
50:31
movie had this energy. Yeah.
50:33
I will say though the the lightning bolts that they used
50:38
is. They were once again borrowed
50:39
from shopping mall. Surprisingly worse than shopping
50:43
mall it was but that's the thing like I I like it when movies
50:46
like lean into the cheesiness or something like that.
50:49
Although God I, I wish we got a Symphony of like them commenting
50:53
on that because I I know he had something to say about that.
50:57
Absolutely. Julie goes to the bathroom and
51:01
basically has ditched Carolyn and Sean, but she didn't even
51:04
know on the outside of the front door this is beer run.
51:11
You know, like, yeah, I, I don't buy it.
51:14
They're going out into the woods to fuck.
51:16
That's exactly what they're doing.
51:17
But she hears a sound and she's like, something's happening and
51:23
I don't feel good about this and Jim nice guy moment.
51:27
And it was like, well, fine, you can walk and drives off just
51:30
because he couldn't fuck while she was hearing something in the
51:34
woods. Yeah, gross.
51:37
Robbie and Carolyn go outside to go trick or treating.
51:43
They're the only trick or treaters besides Robbie and
51:47
Sarah. And apparently the Watsons are
51:49
the only house in town. Sorry, I got my names all mixed
51:53
up. OK, we see Robbie get grabbed by
51:57
Jacko in the haunted house. Yeah, they're, they went to the
52:00
Spook Garage and it's open. They go in there and yeah,
52:03
Jacko's in there. And he's like reaching through
52:06
'cause you know, they've got the whole like, touch the bowl of
52:08
peeled grapes. It's eyeballs.
52:10
And like, while he's in there, he's like trying to peek into it
52:13
because he's a kid and that's what kids do.
52:14
And he sees Jacko and Jacko like grabs his arm for a minute.
52:17
So Robbie and Sarah go running and they're screaming and
52:20
they're just like, awesome. This sounds like a really cool
52:22
haunted house. It's it's like in Scream Queens
52:25
the first season when they have the haunted house, so there's
52:27
actual dead bodies and they're trying to tell the police and
52:29
he's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
52:31
That sounds like a really awesome haunted house.
52:33
Yeah, it's funny. Like they run out screaming and
52:37
they're like, our house isn't that scary?
52:39
Like, yeah, you didn't do that good of a job, David.
52:42
Is like, hey, I'm pretty proud of myself.
52:44
And one just like, no, you go check it out.
52:46
They definitely saw something else.
52:47
Poopy doopy Doo. Whoops.
52:51
Nobody's going to have any contacts with that.
52:54
We have a running alarm on Sundays at a certain time called
52:59
Poopy Doopy Doo, and that means we must put tell you at that
53:01
time. Yeah, unfortunately I.
53:02
Just like to set random alarms for Travis.
53:09
Back on script. OK, sorry.
53:11
Was there even a script here? I know we're that's long gone at
53:14
this point. Yeah, so David and Linda go and
53:17
look and. He accidentally knocks over that
53:21
one of the shelves and paint spills and he's like, oh fuck.
53:25
You know, like we said before, he's ruined reputation.
53:28
Yeah, tarnished. He'll never spook in this town
53:30
again. Never so embarrassing.
53:33
Yeah, so they, they shut it down, David.
53:37
Then we we see Jack is now inside their house.
53:41
He's wandering around. He goes inside Sean's room.
53:44
Yeah. And he's tearing up his bed and
53:46
smashes his picture and yeah, he's just not happy with that
53:50
kid. Does not like that kid.
53:52
So inside David gets a call that Sarah and Robbie saw bodies in a
53:56
monster and he's like bodies in a monster.
53:59
I mean, my haunted house is pretty good.
54:02
And the neighbors like, no, like, but actually, but for
54:04
real. And he's like, I guess we should
54:06
go find Sean. And he tells Vivian, hey, when
54:10
my wife comes in, I tell her I've gone to look for Sean and
54:14
Vivian's like, Yep, absolutely. And instead what happens is
54:16
Linda comes in and sees Vivian. There is like, get out, get out.
54:21
Get out, you don't live here. Why are you still here?
54:27
It's like, like you said, they just forgot what to do with her,
54:30
like stay in the house. I don't know, like, what do we
54:33
do with Vivian? She's just kind of like, she
54:35
offered the help, but she's just kind of awkward to be standing
54:37
around at the Spookhaus. She's not doing anything.
54:41
It's weird. So Jim and Julie back to them in
54:44
the woods cuz. He goes back to get Joy.
54:48
Yeah. And as that happens, old Jack
54:51
decides he's going to pop out and he decapitates Jim.
54:54
Head rolls. And he chases Julie who runs out
54:57
cuz there's a lineman working on Halloween, which sucks for him
55:01
but rules for the people who had lost their power.
55:04
Yeah, and she jumps into the truck for safety, and Jacko
55:09
attacks the lineman. Linda finds Shawn's room
55:13
completely wrecked. Meanwhile, Carolyn and Shawn run
55:18
into Jacko in the park because they're taking a shortcut back
55:20
to the house. And Carolyn, Carolyn distracts
55:24
herself. She sacrifices herself for
55:26
Shawn. She gets good babysitter points
55:28
here. She does, yeah, but and she only
55:30
gets knocked out. She doesn't get killed.
55:32
She just like yeah, hits her with the stick of the scythe and
55:35
boom. It's because she's being a good
55:37
babysitter and nobody else saw her boobs, just us.
55:41
Like it wasn't a public boob showing so she still has the
55:43
purity factor. That's right.
55:45
You know what? Good job, Linnea.
55:47
I I feel like I feel like Randy Meeks would approve of this
55:50
interpretation. I think, yeah, I think it gets
55:52
the Meeks seal of approval here. Sure, runs.
55:55
You know what? What?
55:57
Also, by that reckoning, Linnea Quigley is legit.
56:02
She is you're. Right.
56:03
She is legit, Yeah. I mean, I always say that
56:05
anyway, but. Yeah, I love.
56:08
That's what you always say I love honey.
56:09
Quickly, I do too. Who doesn't?
56:12
Dummies. You know she's gonna be a scary
56:14
fest this year, but maybe we'll ask her about Jacko.
56:17
Yeah. I'd be like, guy, that's the one
56:20
movie I don't wanna talk about. Yeah.
56:23
So Sean, he runs inside the Walter's house.
56:26
I guess you know that's the only place.
56:29
Walter is the wizard ghost De Niro.
56:32
Yeah, yeah, you're right, man. Watson's house.
56:34
See. OK.
56:34
Yeah. Runs in there, hides for a
56:37
second. Jacko goes in there, sees them.
56:39
They just run out. It's kind of a pointless little
56:41
diversion. Scooby-doo kind of chase scene.
56:44
Yeah, Vivian, she comes clean to the parents about what's going
56:50
on here. She's like I'm using Sean as
56:52
bait. Yeah, like he's a decoy out
56:53
there to flash to flush out the pumpkin man so we can destroy
56:59
him, but also he has to destroy because he is the fifth born
57:03
male male descendant. Yeah.
57:05
Yeah. And then Sean runs home.
57:09
The door sticks. I.
57:12
OK, here's the thing. I understand not getting
57:14
something fixed right away, it's just sometimes it's hard to with
57:18
life going on. There's always shit that needs
57:20
to be fixed. As a homeowner, you cannot tell
57:23
me that they haven't just adapted to going through a
57:26
different door in their house. It's Shawn's back door area.
57:29
Like it's like double door. Cuz like we had a tree fall on
57:33
our house when I was a kid and it like bent the frame for our
57:35
front door. So we just went through the side
57:38
until we could get it fixed. And that just became the way we
57:42
all went in forever after, which was just through the side door.
57:46
And I refuse to believe that a house that has a garage doesn't
57:49
also have multiple points of egress.
57:51
So there's no way that his instinct is going to be go to
57:56
that front door because that door has been sticking long
57:58
enough that they're all like, Oh yeah, no, we go through the side
57:59
door or we go through the back door.
58:01
My family most of the time went through the window.
58:06
I can't tell if you're being serious or if you're fucking
58:08
with me. I'm dead serious.
58:10
Which one though? The window.
58:13
Which? One, we only had one window,
58:14
Jesse, you know this. God, don't make me tell
58:17
everybody about the one window we had.
58:20
You Your house has three doors. Your family's house has three
58:23
doors. And yeah, we chose the window.
58:26
Which window? I don't know.
58:29
We do have a big sliding door at the side of the house.
58:31
Whatever. OK, back on track here.
58:37
Sean has chased back to his house.
58:39
We saw earlier when he was trick or treating, he got juice, red
58:43
juice. Yeah.
58:44
And so the parents are trying to get the door open to let Sean
58:48
in, and the window is flattered with red.
58:51
And it's not blood, although that is meant to be the
58:53
implication. And I wish the movie had gone
58:55
that hard, because I didn't expect that kind of teeth.
58:58
From this like damn the only the 5th male descent killed.
59:02
How many movies do that as a? Child in a movie like like this?
59:07
I know none, but no, it's just juice.
59:10
Just juice, yeah. Give pick out the juices.
59:13
Yeah. And we see like Jack, he's not
59:16
killing the kid. He has to like, he's just like,
59:18
kind of like pushing him. Yeah.
59:20
Towards the grave. He's just leading them there.
59:22
It's like Talia when she wants to go to bed and she wants us
59:24
all to go to bed with her and she's like.
59:26
Come with me. Yeah, yeah, this way.
59:28
And Vivian's like, I know where they're going.
59:30
So they all get in the car together and they arrive at the
59:34
woods and they see Jim in his dead body.
59:38
They also see Jacko covering Shawn up with dirt using the
59:42
side. There's a shovel, which looked
59:44
very much like us without a shovel last year, trying to
59:47
clear the snow in our driveway with our car windshield
59:51
scrapers. That's kind of what he's doing.
59:52
He's just like scooching in the dirt and it goes from like a
59:55
couple of handfuls of dirt on him to a full grave.
59:58
He's completely, like, covered in dirt.
1:00:01
Yeah and yeah. God, this is just poorly thrown
1:00:08
together here at the end, so. Yeah, Vivian gets stabbed by
1:00:13
Jack Row. I was surprised that she would
1:00:14
die, honestly. I I didn't expect her to die.
1:00:17
Sean comes out of the grave. He has made a cross and.
1:00:23
Yeah, the, the family made the cross.
1:00:25
Yeah, they brought it back because that's one of the things
1:00:27
that they had to do. They have to put the cross back
1:00:29
in the ground. I don't know why that's not
1:00:32
really established, but they they make the cross.
1:00:36
It's over there next to the grave next to Sean, who grabs
1:00:40
it, pulls it up. He's like, don't get my mommy
1:00:43
and daddy or whatever. Don't kill my mom and dad.
1:00:47
Yeah, they argued over that line in the commentary as well.
1:00:50
But I remember that was one of the things that stuck out to us.
1:00:53
Remember when he's getting buried and he's like, no, no,
1:00:57
no. We're putting more emotion into
1:01:01
that than that kid did. The director, he was like, he
1:01:04
did the best he could. Like he was so defensive over
1:01:07
his kid. I'm glad he's defensive over his
1:01:09
kid but also he was like that kid has guns now so I don't know
1:01:12
how he feels about his child. He said he's like, he's like,
1:01:16
yeah, I'm looking for ways to bury my kid now.
1:01:17
Like again, this is post SIM storming out so it was weird
1:01:22
mood. It's weird.
1:01:23
It's. Weird vibes.
1:01:25
Anyway, the pumpkin Man has killed Shawn.
1:01:29
Shoved onto the the cross, yeah, so.
1:01:32
Shawn lays the size on Arthur Kelly's grave and then they all
1:01:35
walk home in the daylight. Julie comes from out of hiding
1:01:38
and finds Carolyn, and Carolyn and Julie join the Kelly's.
1:01:42
Yep. That's it.
1:01:43
That's how the movie ends. All of that for that.
1:01:46
Yeah, it's kind of a whatever type of ending there, man.
1:01:51
I had a hard time even talking about.
1:01:56
This. Yeah.
1:01:56
It's more fun talking about the commentary than it is about the
1:01:58
movie itself. Yeah, I mean, I'm.
1:02:01
I'm keeping. It yeah, I'm gonna keep mine too
1:02:03
a lot of times like if we talk about something and we can joke
1:02:06
around and have fun about it like it'll improve my mood about
1:02:10
a movie but. Yeah, same.
1:02:12
I don't know. This is just a it's a tough
1:02:14
watch. For real.
1:02:17
Yeah. I mean, you know, but we've
1:02:19
already said what we would change just like, I don't know,
1:02:21
give it stakes, give it something I don't know.
1:02:24
Cut out some of the storylines. There's just too much happening.
1:02:27
Yeah, it didn't need to be this complicated.
1:02:31
What is a dream sequel for this? Man.
1:02:37
Sean Kelly, I want it to be played by the same kid.
1:02:42
OK, well, he's got guns now. So yeah, he's got guns.
1:02:44
He's got a family of his own now, and he is a paranormal
1:02:50
investigator. And he goes around to different
1:02:52
towns looking up their like, town legends and figuring out
1:02:57
which ones are real and which ones are fake.
1:02:59
And then he just like, ends all of the paranormal cruises.
1:03:03
All right, OK. We get like different types of
1:03:06
like we dealt with the pumpkin man, now he's got to deal with
1:03:09
the corn lady. Steven Lashaw hit us up.
1:03:12
We can write at least an equivalent script to what Jacko
1:03:16
was. With twice the budget.
1:03:19
Twice the budget. Yeah, I don't know.
1:03:21
A pocket full of Dimes and a big lint fuzz.
1:03:25
Yeah, and you get 2 takes this time.
1:03:27
You don't have to do everything in one ticket.
1:03:30
All right, OK. Do you relate to?
1:03:34
I I think I related to the teens drinking beer from the ground
1:03:46
cuz. Why would you admit that
1:03:48
publicly? I need something to get me
1:03:54
through this year. If I have to drink it from the
1:03:58
the ground, the dirt, if I got to get some, if that's how I got
1:04:01
to get my alcohol to get me through this fucking thing, then
1:04:04
so be it. I saw somebody who this is
1:04:08
describing like sobriety so that she was just raw dog in life and
1:04:12
I was like damn. Raw dog in life.
1:04:16
I cannot. Raw dog in this movie, man.
1:04:19
Dude, I Yeah, I need protection. I guess I probably related to, I
1:04:27
don't know. I guess I related to Jim because
1:04:34
I have my motorcycle license. I would wear a helmet though,
1:04:37
and I would not take a small child on my motorcycle.
1:04:40
OK, well, you're better than him at least.
1:04:42
Yeah, I think. Truly though, I related to Fred
1:04:44
Olin Ray the most from this year.
1:04:47
I just liked his attitude about everything here.
1:04:49
I know I actually like. It endeared me to him a little
1:04:52
bit. It's like you've made some shit,
1:04:54
man. This is the same guy, by the
1:04:55
way, that did the evil tunes. Yeah.
1:04:58
Yeah, you make some shit, but at least you're aware.
1:05:00
You're self aware, you know? Yeah.
1:05:04
And he loves the carradines and. He loves the Carradines, that's
1:05:07
true. He put them through.
1:05:10
What was Scout's favorite part, you say?
1:05:11
Yeah, that's exactly what I was about.
1:05:14
To say well I think Scout's favorite part was when the kids
1:05:19
juice got squished because she likes to see that kids one thing
1:05:23
be torn apart in front of him. Obviously, Scout's favorite part
1:05:27
was when the kid burst out from the grave, because Scout likes
1:05:30
to burst out from things. Oh.
1:05:32
So true. All right.
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OK, Did you get reviews? I did not, but I will pull them
1:05:42
up right now. God damn it.
1:05:43
All right, no, this is going to be great.
1:05:45
We're going to rapid fire one right here.
1:05:47
All right, 10 out of 10. Somebody that loves this one
1:05:50
right here. Rent this one for a good time.
1:05:54
Story involves ancient demon being released upon a small town
1:05:57
on Halloween night. And all my life I've never seen
1:05:59
such a cheesy film, but it is so damn entertaining.
1:06:02
You can forgive it's bad acting, effects, direction and script.
1:06:08
This is the best movie created for the Halloween season since
1:06:10
the original Halloween. And when they introduce Lynea
1:06:14
Quigley's character for the first time she is butt naked in
1:06:18
the shower for like 5 minutes. Goodness, they just don't get
1:06:22
any better than this. Rush and buy this tape right
1:06:25
away. 5 out of 10. You gave it a 10 out of 10, but
1:06:29
then you gave it a 5 out of 10. Like by the end, they're like,
1:06:32
my conscience cannot let me give this A10 out 10.
1:06:35
Was this review written by Olan Ray?
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Well, the name is Big P1, so maybe all right.
1:06:46
Now, as always, we also get the bad reviews.
1:06:48
And the bad reviews definitely outweigh the good reviews in
1:06:51
this one. So rapid fire this one right
1:06:56
here. I had known Brad Linda Weaver at
1:06:59
Florida State University in the early 70s.
1:07:02
Whoa, this is an intimate one right here when he was
1:07:04
inspiring, inventive rider who I thought was headed for a
1:07:07
creator. And that is why I rented this
1:07:12
video. Well, well, well, the time has
1:07:15
not been kind to Mr. Linda Weaver.
1:07:18
I suppose the pressures of making a living makes higher
1:07:21
aspirations expendable. Another flower whose bloom is
1:07:25
come and gone unnoticed in the summer breeze.
1:07:28
Amen. There is nothing more to say and
1:07:31
nothing more to add. A sad epitaph to a once
1:07:34
blossoming career as stated above.
1:07:36
But it is the price one pays for chasing shadows without a firm
1:07:40
foundation or goal was for oneself in life.
1:07:42
Because this movie has no goal, no purpose.
1:07:45
And I kept telling myself, what happened to Brad's creativity?
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His once shining genius gone gone.
1:07:51
Years of neglect has deteriorated his once shining
1:07:54
mind. That was personal.
1:07:57
Dude I did not expect this entire movie to be personal
1:08:00
takedowns of this like the fucking creatives behind the
1:08:02
movie, but damn. That's what happens.
1:08:05
I, I can't believe it. I, I just like shows that one at
1:08:08
random and there was like somebody who actually went to
1:08:10
school with the fucking writer. That's crazy.
1:08:13
Oh man. OK, time for for the titular
1:08:17
question. To be or Nazi?
1:08:18
To be or Nazi Listen, the only way I would watch this again is
1:08:23
if we were with a group of friends who had never seen it
1:08:25
and we were like. With the commentary.
1:08:27
With the commentary and we were like maybe drinking along.
1:08:32
I think that that would be a great time.
1:08:34
Yeah. Actually, look, I'm probably
1:08:39
never gonna watch this again as a stand alone film.
1:08:41
No, I would watch the commentary.
1:08:43
Should you watch it? I would say try it.
1:08:47
Yeah, give it a shot. There are obviously people that
1:08:50
do like this and do have fun with it.
1:08:53
It's become like a cult classic in a way.
1:08:57
It's one of those movies that 'cause we talked about it, like
1:09:00
sometimes when you're taking notes, you see that there's a
1:09:03
lot of purpose to running back and forth in the movie and it
1:09:05
feels more nuanced. And sometimes it's just actually
1:09:08
just a bunch of running back and forth.
1:09:09
And this is one of those movies that does not do well under the
1:09:12
scrutiny of note taking. No, it does not.
1:09:15
Yeah, this might be a good just kind of sit and just kind of
1:09:19
take it as it comes. Yeah, type of movie right here.
1:09:23
It's just like life. Yeah, this is going to be a not
1:09:28
though for me, just to be like true to it.
1:09:31
I'm just going to say Nah. But for you baby, at least give
1:09:36
it a shot. I don't know if you like bad
1:09:38
movies. I always think everybody should
1:09:39
give a movie a shot. I just don't know.
1:09:42
Same how much I'm willing to join people with giving it a
1:09:46
shot again. It would have to be the right
1:09:47
circumstances. Yeah.
1:09:49
All right. Well, that's it then.
1:09:52
That'll do it for this to be or not to be.
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Join us on Thursday for Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which is
1:09:58
a first watch for both of us, and we're about to go record it
1:10:01
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1:10:48
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