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Vernon Reid: Cult of Personality, CM Punk & Ozzy’s Farewell – UNCENSORED! · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_02: Hey there, this is Tasha from Halloween, and you're watching CMS TV.
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  SPEAKER_01: Talk about how that works for you,
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  SPEAKER_01: and is it weird for you that this song,
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  SPEAKER_01: Cult of Personality,
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  SPEAKER_01: has had two very distinct lives?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it was very successful before wrestling,
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  SPEAKER_01: and now it's even more successful with wrestling.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like two lives for one song.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what's incredible about that is the story is really about
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  SPEAKER_01: CM Punk's connection to the song.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when we did WrestleMania the first time, he told me the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, hey, when that song came out, I was in Little League in Chicago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And our coach loved the song.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that song was our get out on the field music.
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  So when he was 12,
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  he called the personality was how they used to run out on the
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  field.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  And his team won the championship,
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  the Little League championship,
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  that year,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So his connection to the song was real and very personal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I said to myself, oh, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
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  And the fact that he went back to something that happened that
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  was positive in his
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  SPEAKER_01: younger days,
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  SPEAKER_01: and now he's a different kind of athlete,
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  SPEAKER_01: doing a different kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, yo, man, I'm going to do it.
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  I mean,
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  our cultural personality is the final song from the last
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  episode of The Walking Dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean...
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  SPEAKER_01: As a horror sci-fi fan, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the songs have weird lives and they have lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think about when the song was written,
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  it was written in one day and the first time we played it in
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  CBTVs and the reaction
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  SPEAKER_01: to it and everything that's happened since,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's had a life.
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  of its own and it's had a pathway that we you know of course we
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  did it right but
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  still it's amazing to me i i when i think of it i don't every
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  time we play it i
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  feel honored to do it i love the tune you know and and not
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  because it's the biggest
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  SPEAKER_01: thing we did it's it it's it's i believe in the song i believe in it
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  it is chris aiken presents i of course am chris aiken and today
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  on the show i am
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  honored to be speaking with a legend he is a grammy award
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  winner he is um one of
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  the top 100 guys that plays guitar and ever has according to
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  rolling stone um he is
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  he is in one of my all-time favorite bands the band living
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  color he of course is
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  the great vernon reed vernon how are you man i'm good man how
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  are you doing
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm good, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's great to talk to you, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great to speak once again.
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  And it's great that you have this new record,
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  Hoodoo Telemetry,
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  coming out on October the 3rd.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to be honest with you, I've not heard the whole thing.
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  I've only heard a couple of tracks,
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  so you're going to have to fill me in a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just start with maybe an overview.
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  Tell us about who do telemetry and tell us about why now is a
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  good time for you to
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  SPEAKER_01: be,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of experimenting and doing a new record.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  it's like a record I started a while back before the pandemic
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  and then the pandemic
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  SPEAKER_01: happened and with all of its disruptions and sideways,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: action.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a record that combines newer things with older things,
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  SPEAKER_01: some live things,
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  SPEAKER_01: some things that are kind of constructs,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you will.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the first two singles...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so interesting that they picked singles.
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  SPEAKER_01: The first one is The Haunting, which features Kevin Webb on vocals.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the second one is Beautiful Bastard, which features Rashid on vocals.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have some live tracks that are recorded with the band Burnt Sugar.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I did a cover of Politician.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a song called Instrumento called The Bronx Paradox,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is kind of like my Miles Davis inspired tribute to DJ Logic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we did a version,
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  a kind of Jetson sci-fi version of Eddie Harris's great Freedom
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  Jazz Dance.
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  wow yeah yeah yeah so there's like so it's like kind of it's a
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  funny it's a funny
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  record it's got like a lot of different moods a lot of
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  different moves a lot of
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  different moods and um in at a certain point during the making
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  of it you know i
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  lost a really good friend of mine um the writer and critic greg
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  tate and uh
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  SPEAKER_01: And Burst Sugar is the band that he founded.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like one of those critics who actually is an active musician.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: He took that on, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we were friends for a really long time.
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  He was one of the co-founders of the Black Rock Coalition back
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  in the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so part of this record is me coming to grips with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: coming to grips with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: but yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's about,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's about a lot of,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: my thing is always about the human condition,
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  SPEAKER_01: like where it is,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's not,
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  SPEAKER_01: my thing is much less than I'm making a fill in the blank record.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm making like, you know, I'm making this genre, that genre record.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: even with Living Color,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we were we were always all over the place,
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  SPEAKER_01: like cultural personalities on the same record as Broken Hearts.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's so that's that's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got to work with a guitar legend in his own right, Ivan Julian.
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  was the engineer,
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  and he was the guitarist for Richard Hale and the Voidoids.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's kind of a punk guitar legend.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to work with Scotty Hard, who I worked with.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was an engineer on Mistaken Identity, and he's the mix engineer here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then Mike Tucci mastered the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is it for you these days, Vernon, as far as the creative process?
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  I mean,
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  you've worked with everybody,
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  honestly,
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  probably everybody that you've wanted to.
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  And you've done so many different stylistic things that I don't
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  think there's much
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  SPEAKER_01: left on your resume today.
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  that you could still want to do so what is it for you is it
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  just that you're a
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  musician and you're always creating or do you still feel like
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  you've got stuff to
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  say you know what uh yeah you know it's a weird thing because
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  because because this
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  SPEAKER_01: thing this situation is let's be real is youth oriented
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  It's who's next,
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  who got next,
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  who's hot,
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  who's flashy,
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  who's groovy,
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  who's cute.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all of those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So to deny that is to partake in delusion, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a fact.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I look to the older artists, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: I look to the Robin Trowers.
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  I look to a Robin Trower who's still perfecting that incredible
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  vibrato of his.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the thing, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still figuring out the human condition.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still figuring it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because we are a clever...
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  lot you know what it is to be a human being in all of our
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  shapes and sizes and
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  colors and whatever it's we're all in a dark room with our
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  hands outstretched
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  hoping that we touch the opposite wall and not a gaping mouth
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  that's right that's
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of that's kind of the thing right and um
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  SPEAKER_01: That's been part of it, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, like Beautiful Bastard, right?
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  It's so funny because it's a song as much about language as it
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  is about a situationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know...
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  SPEAKER_01: the word bastard is usually gendered towards men.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the word bitch is gendered towards women.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as we know, we can flip-flop with everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dudes are calling each other bitches now all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: This word flavor of bitch.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if that's the case, then women can also be bastards.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is a very specific thing because...
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  It's one thing to be a bitch,
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  but to be a bastard is a whole other level,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a whole other thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Going back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this record,
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  SPEAKER_01: I wrote this about a situation with a woman in particular,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it was not a healthy relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it was... What's the current phrase?
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  SPEAKER_01: Entanglement?
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  SPEAKER_01: It was about an entanglement that...
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  SPEAKER_01: I fully was a part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times with tunes, you're putting it on the other person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or you're this, you're that.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the crucial lines in the song is, you're my disaster.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not you're a disaster.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're my disaster.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is...
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  When two liars decide to be honest with each other,
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  that's kind of what this is,
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  kind of.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's in the tradition of the murder ballad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fortunately, in real life, we didn't kill each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: We both managed to walk away from the wreck.
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  SPEAKER_01: and get on with our lives.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, uh, Rashid does such a great, great job, uh, vocally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, he brings the words to life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, um,
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: so this is a song that I had for a while,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I was just like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know what,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready for this to come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I never liked the original guitar solo,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I finally came up with one I really liked on this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jenkins,
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  SPEAKER_01: Steve Jenkins,
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  SPEAKER_01: played fabulous bass on it,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and DeAnthony Parks played great drums on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, really happy with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now,
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  SPEAKER_01: Vernon,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious with you,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I've interviewed you a few times before,
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  SPEAKER_01: but we never did videos,
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  SPEAKER_01: so you probably don't know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know anyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've done this a few times,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I've asked you this before twice,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you've given me different answers,
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  SPEAKER_01: so I'm going to ask you a certain time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to give you a brand new one now.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I picture you, and I don't know you know you, but, I mean, we've talked.
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  SPEAKER_01: I picture you as somebody that does not feel...
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  SPEAKER_01: Comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Communicating with people without that guitar,
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  SPEAKER_01: like that's how you talk to people,
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  even though you're a you're a fine speaker and you obviously
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  have clear points.
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  I take it from just just like your partner in crime,
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  you know,
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  in living color when he sings.
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  cory when cory sings he's presenting himself i feel like when
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  you're playing guitar
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  that's when you're presenting yourself do you feel like that's
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  accurate or do you
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  feel like just because you're a guitar player people assume
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  that i think it's true
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  you know what here's here's the here's here's what's weird
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  right we're talking
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  SPEAKER_01: about aspects of the same
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  personality right it's the same person but me as playing guitar
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  and my thing is is
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  about flow state it's much more I'm an improviser you know what
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  I mean and so
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  that's uh really the that's the thing that's happening in
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  guitar when I'm talking
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  SPEAKER_01: that's another aspect of the same being.
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  It's another aspect,
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  but it's not the same,
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  you know,
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  it's another aspect of the same being.
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  And some people can't talk,
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  I didn't talk all day long,
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  blah,
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  blah,
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  blah,
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  blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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  And,
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  but there's something about,
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  there's something about being in a particular state playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether I'm in the studio or whether I'm on stage,
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  SPEAKER_01: There's something about when it's clicking,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're in a place,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's no right,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's no wrong,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's no up,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's no down,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's just the music.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's really what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of when people talk about the blues.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can say,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: here's the structure,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's one,
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  SPEAKER_01: four,
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  SPEAKER_01: five,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can play these peritonics.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what, that's...
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  SPEAKER_01: reducing it to the lowest thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the play, these scales.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: What it is is those things are happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're in the background.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like sports.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: when someone's in a flow state,
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  SPEAKER_01: when somebody,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know what,
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  SPEAKER_01: when that ball is heading to the,
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  SPEAKER_01: like the ball is,
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  SPEAKER_01: the batter is going to hit.
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  It's almost like in a microsecond before the batter hits,
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  you,
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  oh,
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  that's going over the fence.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a feeling that,
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times we're trying to get to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a different thing than when you're there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's different when you're there.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're 100% there.
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  And the whole thing,
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  every time Living Color goes on stage,
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  every time I'm hoping...
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  SPEAKER_01: to get out of my own way,
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  SPEAKER_01: to get out of the way with all my words and blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: to get out of the way and manifest that moment in real time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who we are, not just who I am, but who we all are in real time.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the crazy thing about a band.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like a band is also an entity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the band as entity does it,
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a phenomenal thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's phenomenal when it happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: The only difference,
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  SPEAKER_01: though,
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  and I'll throw this out there to you and you tell me if I'm
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  right or wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: The only difference is when you're in a band,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're kind of in the box when you're doing it yourself.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: There are no limits.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: There are no.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's got to fit the song.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's got to fit the mood.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's very different.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: But the moment.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: OK, yes and no, because.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Those things are also self-imposed.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: So the band, you're in the box, right?
• 17:22
  And whatever the band,
• 17:27
  not just the band itself,
• 17:29
  but the history of bands.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know what I mean?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: And whether or not, when a band is rocking, it is a singular event.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's the end.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter whether they've sold a ton of records.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if you went to a bar.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And you see a band that's rocking is rocking.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of undeniable.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when you're on your own.
• 17:56
  OK,
• 17:56
  so I'm putting together a band to maybe do a show,
• 18:02
  you know,
• 18:03
  for these songs.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: You've rehearsed it.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And all those things, right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: if everybody shows up and if everybody participates in the music,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: it can be phenomenal.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: It can be phenomenal.
• 18:22
  Whether it's myself or whether it's a band that's been together
• 18:28
  for years.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Think of Chuck Berry.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pickup band.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a bunch of dudes.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't know them.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: He just starts to play.
• 18:39
  Nine times out of ten,
• 18:40
  it's going to be kind of a disaster because they're nervous.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: They're playing with a legend.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's scowling at them.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: They forget their own names.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: 45 minutes later, he's gone.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Even with that, that could turn into magic.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like that could turn, but almost by accident, into magic.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: We want something at all times that we cannot legislate.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot guarantee it.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: You have seen great situations not be great.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: A band that's great cannot be great for whatever reason.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's a pebble in your shoe and you didn't get it out.
• 19:32
  Imagine,
• 19:32
  you go on stage,
• 19:33
  you've got your docks on,
• 19:36
  and there's a pebble under your heel.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can't take your... You can't...
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:42
  Unless you're a certain kind of dude that's willing to take off
• 19:45
  their Doc Martin
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: and pull out the pebble in their shoe,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: which is total rock star shit to do if you do that.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: But most people ain't going to do that because it's embarrassing,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: it's weird,
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: what are you doing?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: So you're in the box.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Is the box...
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Great example.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: We opened for Avenged Sevenfold.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: At the Garden, right?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And this is a living cult, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And
• 20:26
  it was a crazy situation because the cure had been there for
• 20:30
  three days in a row
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: and their loadout went out,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: their loadout was messed up.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so it pushed everything back.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: So,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: so,
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: so there was a middle bit,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: there was some photos and then we were,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: and it just messed up everything.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we kind of barely got a line check.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was... People were coming in the room and it was like, holy shit.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we barely got a line checked.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: We got a line checked.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: We went off stage.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: We essentially turned around and went back on stage.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a great show.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was... We went in and just...
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: hit it.
• 21:19
  It's almost like taking the comfort away made you more hungry
• 21:24
  to do it better or
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: something to that line.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I hesitate to even go that far.
• 21:34
  We had every right for it to be terrible because the situation
• 21:38
  was terrible.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: But instead of that,
• 21:42
  We went up,
• 21:43
  and it was something about being in the garden,
• 21:45
  and we did it.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: We did it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you can turn around.
• 21:50
  I mean,
• 21:51
  there are times where it's like you can assume,
• 21:52
  oh,
• 21:52
  man,
• 21:53
  it's better,
• 21:55
  and not do it.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the weird thing is we're always playing.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think everybody is playing.
• 22:04
  on that line whether you know it or not it's because there's
• 22:07
  something because the
• 22:08
  best laid plans right it can go sideways nah there you are
• 22:13
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• 22:15
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• 22:19
  definitely what you
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: do next right on
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• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Vernon,
• 23:41
  let me ask you a question or two that's not necessarily related
• 23:44
  to the record,
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: but is current history for you.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Start with April 19th.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you guys were...
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: You performed at WrestleMania in front of a humongous crowd,
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: and certainly your song,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Cult of Personality,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: has become legendary with CM Punk.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: There's no secret about that or anything, but...
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about how that works for you,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: and is it weird for you that this song,
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Cult of Personality,
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: has had two very distinct lives?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because it was very successful before wrestling,
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: and now it's even more successful with wrestling.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like two lives for one song.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what's incredible about that is the story is really about
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: CM Punk's connection to the song.
• 24:35
  And when we did WrestleMania the first time,
• 24:37
  you know,
• 24:38
  he told me the story.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: He said, hey, when that song came out, I was in Little League in Chicago.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: And our coach loved the song.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that song was our get out on the field music.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So when he was 12.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: He called the personality was how they used to run out on the field.
• 25:03
  And his team won the championship,
• 25:06
  the Little League championship that year,
• 25:09
  right?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So his connection to the song was real and very personal.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I said to myself, oh, I get it.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 25:28
  And the fact that he went back to something that happened that
• 25:32
  was positive in his
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: younger days.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And now he's a different kind of athlete doing a different kind of thing.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, yo, man, I'm going to do it.
• 25:39
  I mean,
• 25:40
  our cultural personality is the final song from the last
• 25:47
  episode of The Walking Dead.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean...
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: As a horror sci-fi fan, wow.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, songs have weird lives.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they have lives.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think about when the song was written.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was written in one day.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the first time we played it, it's CBTVs.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: And the reaction to it.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: And everything that's happened since, it's had a life.
• 26:22
  of its own and it's had a pathway that we,
• 26:25
  you know,
• 26:25
  of course we did it.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: But still it's amazing to me.
• 26:31
  I,
• 26:31
  when I think of it,
• 26:32
  I don't,
• 26:33
  every time we play it,
• 26:34
  I feel honored to do it.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love the tune.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: And not because it's the biggest thing we did.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's, it's, it's, I believe in the song.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I believe in it.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a great song, obviously.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: It stood for 40 years.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: That all by itself says it.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Are you surprised,
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: and not because of CM Punk as a person,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know him,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you do,
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: but just in general...
• 27:02
  that he has been so loyal to you because and you know you know
• 27:07
  for people that
• 27:08
  don't follow wwe real well they have their own team that does
• 27:12
  music for right
• 27:13
  virtually every other wrestler except cm punk but he was loyal
• 27:18
  enough to you guys
• 27:19
  when he went to aew and then when he came back to to wwe to
• 27:24
  keep your keep you guys
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: in the mix well i i certainly appreciate it and again
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think that that's a tribute to his personal connection.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: His connection to the song and his connection to us.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we dig him.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's a good dude.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: And really, that's kind of it.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not something you define or...
• 27:54
  You know,
• 27:54
  it's kind of like why you dig one person and can't stand the
• 27:58
  next.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: The person you can't stand ain't done nothing to you.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's kind of, you know, it's funny.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny how we are with people.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Almost at all stages.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's one checkout girl,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: she cracks her gum in a certain way,
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: and it's like,
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would rather deal with her attitude than check myself out.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, you're right.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because even people can occupy a space that's,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: people can occupy a space for you that's not friendship and not,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: but okay,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: you accept the way they fill their space.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you respect it.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you respect it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you respect it.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: this person's attitude,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: you could say,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: this person is doing the best that they can.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or this person does that thing.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of amazing.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's why character actors work.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's why certain things work.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's why podcasts work, right?
• 29:16
  Like a particular person with a particular bug up their bum and
• 29:22
  they just resonate
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: with you because you understand it.
• 29:27
  Anytime somebody tells you,
• 29:28
  says something that you can relate to as a human being,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's, we're in a world of strangers.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: And you know,
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: when you got something in common that you're annoyed,
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: I could tell,
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: we don't have the time.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was going to my gym, and my right earbud fell out of my ear.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I swear, I thought it went under the front seat of my car.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't find it.
• 30:07
  And I'm thinking,
• 30:08
  I am losing my workout time because I can't find my right
• 30:16
  earbud.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was incredibly frustrating.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then I went, okay, find my earbud.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I go to press, find my earbud.
• 30:28
  And my earbud had come out of my ear and fell into my bag that
• 30:34
  I just opened.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like so ridiculous and so insane and so stupid.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: But think about it.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's a dumb story, but we lived that.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Once the earbud was invented,
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to bounce somewhere.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: You think it went there and it didn't go there.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: I spent 10 minutes looking for this thing.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm talking about, man.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Vernon,
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: let me ask you one more question before we wrap this one up,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: and this will be probably a quick one,
• 31:09
  but you obviously were one of the chosen that got to play Back
• 31:15
  to the Beginning,
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: and an amazing performance from you.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing performance is really from everybody.
• 31:21
  I sat here in the States and watched all 11 hours or whatever
• 31:26
  it was and didn't move a muscle.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about the experience and talk specifically about
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: in a world in, in the Ozzy Osbourne bubble.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's all about guitar players.
• 31:40
  And for you who never really played with him to be chosen as
• 31:44
  one of those to
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: represent,
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: that had to be an honor.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 31:50
  And,
• 31:50
  and the,
• 31:51
  the,
• 31:51
  the thing about it is the Ozzy is so transcendent in his
• 31:59
  influence,
• 32:00
  right?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: He,
• 32:03
  his band invented metal and people would quibble about that,
• 32:07
  whatever,
• 32:08
  but that's a fact.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he also changed what it, he changed what it meant to be a celebrity.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: He changed,
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: he changed so many different things,
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:23
  because there's what he did with Sabbath and then there's what
• 32:25
  he did on his own
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: and all the incredible,
• 32:29
  players that he introduced you know to the world for myself I
• 32:38
  always go back to
• 32:39
  hearing War Pigs and the effect that War Pigs from Sabbath had
• 32:45
  on me because the
• 32:47
  song you know and Sabbath was never really thought of as a
• 32:51
  political band whatever
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: but that's it's as anti-war a song as any anti-war song absolutely
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've ever heard.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And to be,
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: to,
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: to witness the final performance of Sabbath playing war pigs was,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: was it's to say epic.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Is to understate it.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was, and the outpouring of love towards him.
• 33:22
  You know,
• 33:23
  I was very thankful,
• 33:24
  you know,
• 33:24
  that Tom Morello invited me and,
• 33:27
  um,
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: I saw so many people I hadn't seen.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't seen Slash in years.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: William Duvall, who's been a dear friend from Alice in Chains.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: See Jerry Cantrell.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anthrax are my boys.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a beautiful, beautiful thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Were you nervous?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a huge, huge event.
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  SPEAKER_01: I imagine everybody's nervous, yes?
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hear you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it was a great performance, I will say that.
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  As is the new material from you,
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  Vernon Reed's Hoodoo Telemetry,
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  out on October the 3rd.
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  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you get it.
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  Where's the best place we can send people,
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  Vernon,
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  to buy it or to pre-order or all that stuff?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it's available on Spotify, you know, all the usual...
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  blah blah blah i mean i'm an apple music guy you know i mean
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  certainly amazon music
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  will uh have it available sure you know there will be vinyl at
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  some point okay but
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  uh you know they've checked the socials you know it's mascot
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  the right label is
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  SPEAKER_01: mascot okay and and they are
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  pretty on point with stuff so you'll be able to find out stuff
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  from them excellent
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  well one more time it is hoodoo telemetry it is vernon reed and
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  vernon it's been
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  fun thanks for joining me here it's been fun it's fine finally
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  see dude yeah
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  absolutely many times and also we're working uh living color
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  we're working on
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  writing the next living color record so we'll keep you know
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  we'll keep you in the
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  loop on that so we'll do this again in six months or whatever
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  whatever right on