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Rick Mast Show: Joe Gibbs Racing Engineer Scandal | Alex Bowman DQ | Hailie Deegan To Indy · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up, everybody? You are looking live.
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  This is another live edition of the Rick Mast Show.
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  I'm Charlie Marlowe. That is the great Rick Mast.
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  Rick, how are you doing, Sir? And let me tell you, man, what a
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  week to do a show. There is so much NASCAR news
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  going on these days. How you doing?
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  Charlie, I'm doing well man. Got a little bit of the little
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  bit of the croup, got a little cough going on.
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  Other than that, pretty good with Honky talking over the
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  weekend with my family and friends.
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  That may have been what brought all the croup I've got here the
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  call. I'm I'm not sure.
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  But anyhow, here's here's here's the topic.
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  Here's the topic, Charlie. This is a topic.
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  It's called risk versus reward, right?
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  And you know, I don't know that there's a professional sport
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  that risk versus reward is as prominent as it is in NASCAR or
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  auto racing in general, right? And we know from it as a driver,
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  if you're driving the risk versus reward, we know what that
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  means. You're you're running along
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  there in the pack and you're thinking I can get in that hole
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  right there like at Daytona or Talladega drafted.
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  If I get in that hole, you know I'm going to be good.
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  If I don't get it in the hole, man, I'm going to go back.
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  I'm going back to the rear, right.
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  But if I try to get in the hole and holes not open, you know, I
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  take a chance on wrecking and hurting myself or getting
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  carried out of the racetrack in a meat wagon, right?
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  It's always been that way in, in different race tracks.
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  As a driver, you're, you're always weighing that risk worth
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  risk versus reward. OK.
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  And the, the, the risk of these things is a driver can be
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  catastrophic. And that that's, it's always
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  been that way in our sport. Now we go to the cruise east
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  side, right? Risk versus reward.
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  Do I put 4 tires on and, and, and go back in the pack and try
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  to get maybe there's 4 tires are outrun guys that put 2 tires,
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  you know, you know, or if it doesn't work, then man, we're
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  going to finish 20th, right? If it works, maybe, maybe we
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  could win the race, right? You know, other professional
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  sports, I guess what is it football would be for you go
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  forward on 4th and 4th and one right.
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  If you if you miss it, then another team gets the ball.
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  Well, man, in racing, if you as a driver, if you, if you miss
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  it, you know, you could get hurt, right?
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  And that's what makes it exciting.
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  One of the things that makes it exciting.
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  But then a crew chief, you know, do a gamble on the fuel, do a
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  risk, risk versus reward it. It's so many things, man in
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  racing. And then, Charlie, we get to a
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  weight deal a weight with my car.
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  My car is going to weigh 34125 lbs.
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  If I if if my driver's Alex Bowman, when it goes across the
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  scales, start the race, it's going to weigh 3425 when the
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  race is over, minus a half a percent and a half a percent was
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  what, 17 lbs. OK, one since 34 lbs.
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  Yeah. So these guys, and as we saw,
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  they kept rolling across the scales, they filled it up with
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  gas, they filled it up with water, they did all that, rolled
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  it across the scales two or three times.
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  It never made weight. All right.
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  So obviously the thing was, was, was light, right?
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  Now that brings in the question, what, how the hell did this
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  happen? How did we do this?
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  Is, is this a risk versus reward call from the crew chief or
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  engineer or or whoever's in charge of this deal?
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  It's just, it's unfathomable. But it's hard for me to believe,
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  Charlie, that we, the crew chief did a risk versus reward thing
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  on this weight. It's just hard for me to
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  believe. It's hard for me to believe that
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  this was purposely done because you've got to make the weight
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  after the race. You know, as, as we know, NASCAR
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  has gotten so gosh, how they're so black and white and so sticky
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  on these rules anymore in the post race inspections that we
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  everybody knows that you just don't do this.
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  You don't, you don't come across the scales.
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  Wait, I have to believe one of two things.
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  I truly believe in my heart, one of two things.
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  Something fell off the car or it was an honest mistake.
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  If it fell off the car, though, here's the problem, Charlie.
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  If it fell off the car, they would appeal.
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  Hendrick would have appealed this decision because because
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  they proved that something when he went over that big hump and
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  went way up in there and come slamming down something broke or
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  fell off the car. By them not appealing the
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  decision, that tells me that, Yep, we knew it was light.
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  We're the reason that it's light, OK?
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  And there's nothing we can do about it because, you know, they
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  defied it tooth and nail if they had any, any leg to stand on.
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  So that begs the question again, is this a risk versus reward
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  situation or that you guys, they just flat screwed up with a
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  deal. OK.
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  But then it brings into question, well, how did it make
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  weight before the race, right? So, you know, there's questions
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  here, Charlie, that I, you know, maybe we'll get to the bottom of
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  it at some point. But the bottom line is, man,
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  Alex Bowman got kicked out of the chase.
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  I mean, you realize how big that is?
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  That's a big deal. That's a black mark, dude.
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  It's a black mark on on those guys.
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  And they know that, right? And the ramifications for for
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  this happening is, is, is just it's astronomical to the team
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  and to the sponsors and everything they're trying to do.
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  The good news and all this is, you know, Henrik, by not
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  appealing, by not appealing, Hendrik Motorsports owned up to
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  the fact that, you know, yeah, we screwed up, right?
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  The, the, the, the reasons why that happened.
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  We don't know what that is. But as a racer, as a racer, as a
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  racer, man, and me and my mindset, I'm sitting here
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  thinking risk versus reward on this.
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  The risk is not worth the reward of having your car light when
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  that race is over on purpose. That's, you know, that's my take
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  on it right now. And that's the way it's going to
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  stay until somebody changes my mind.
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  OK, We're putting a lot of comments and questions across
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  the ticker there. A lot of people weighing in.
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  So obviously Alex Bowman, DQ, D Sunday night after the race
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  yesterday it's announced that Hendrick Motorsports will not
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  appeal and you heard everybody on Sunday discussing this.
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  It was I believe is Brad Moran from NASCAR.
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  He did a a quick little, little media availability and he let
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  everybody know, and I think a lot of people knew this, but you
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  have a .5% buffer essentially, which is 17 lbs.
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  So you tell me, do most of these teams, do they try to keep it
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  light enough so that it's Dang close to 17 lbs to get that
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  advantage? And then I'm thinking, I mean,
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  if it's over by a a pound or two even of the 17 lbs, right?
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  It looks like they gave Hendrick every opportunity by running the
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  water through, by running the fuel through multiple times,
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  weighing it. I mean, do you think it was
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  egregious? Was it, was it, was it not just
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  17 lbs? Was it even more than that?
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  You think that I got to this point where he's DQ?
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  Oh yeah, it's definitely more than 17.
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  You give 17. If they give me half a percent,
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  I'm going to take sure .999 of that half percent.
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  I'm going to be I'm my car is going to be 16 lbs light, OK.
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  I mean, I'm going to have 1 LB over, but I'm going to be, I'm
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  going to be dead on on it. And, and the way, the way these
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  teams are now with the with the resources we have, you can get
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  it within a pound. You can get it within 1/2 a
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  pound probably, you know, or I know you can and you know, so
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  they give you that. So you take it, you know, so if,
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  if you're going to be over 1717, you know, man, you, you've made
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  a mistake somehow, you've made a, you just, you've made a
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  mistake somewhere. But yeah, all the teams are
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  going to take, they're going to use every availability,
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  everything they'll give them. Yes, Charlie.
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  So OK so I need to ask ask this in a better way.
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  OK. At at 18 lbs let's say it was 18
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  lbs. Are they DQ ING him for 18?
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  They they are OK. Because you're giving 17 to
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  start with, you should be 3425, you know, but we're going to
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  give you a half percent just for shits and giggles, right?
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  And you know, so that's 17 lbs. And if you're 18, you're really
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  18. You're not really 1 LB over or
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  under. You're really 18 lbs under, you
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  know, So yeah, they're, they're going to bust you at 18.
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  So, you know, I don't know where it's at.
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  I don't know what the, what the, what the pound each is.
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  You know, if it's 1 LB, if it's, if it's 1 LB, yeah, 18 lbs.
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  It's not, it's not 1 LB, it's 18 lbs.
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  You can't, you know, you can't, you can't hardly.
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  You can't hardly appeal that. So yeah, you have to answer your
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  question, yeah. And and you said you don't, so
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  you think there's any chance that this was done on purpose.
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  And and I guess that that matters, but what do you think
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  will be the ramifications of this?
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  Is this such a big deal? Because clearly Alex Bowman, who
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  is going to be in the round of eight now he's DQ D and look,
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  there is a lot of talk about his seat before this, like there
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  were some rumors he addressed them at NASCAR playoffs media
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  day about about Kyle Busch. You got to think that at
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  Hendrick of the four drivers, his seat is probably the hottest
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  in terms of of performance wise. So in, in, in your opinion, any
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  chances was on purpose and what do you think will be the
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  ramifications? Does somebody get fired for
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  this? What do you think?
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  I don't know, I don't know, Charlie.
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  That's why I went into the rant about risk versus reward.
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  And I just, it's hard for me to, to, to, to, to say that the crew
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  chief is going to risk versus reward 18 lbs on this deal and
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  not make it into the chase. It's I, I, I have, I have big
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  time trouble believing that that went on on purpose.
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  I, I, I, I do, I mean, just because you're going to get
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  weighed after the race, you know, I, I, you know, I just, I
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  just don't, I, I just have trouble believing that not
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  saying it didn't happen yet, could have happened.
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  We'll go back to that risk versus reward again, but I just
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  have trouble believing this was done on purpose you know Now to
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  your point about Alex Bowman in my mind what this does it it it
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  it gives Alex Bowman more security because Hendrick
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  Motorsports let Alex Bowman down that you know this guy did what
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  he had to do you know he got in it he got in this chase by
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  winning you winning the race wherever that was at Rd. course
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  or whatever it was and he did yeah he did his he drove his
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  he's driven his ass off the last few weeks that car they've been
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  running good the last few weeks he's had to withstand all these
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  rumors about not being in the race car a little Hendrick and
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  Gordon and everybody says that's all baloney.
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  Well, if there was a little bit of something going on with that
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  by Hendrick Motorsports, letting Alex Bowman down in this deal, I
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  think solidifies this place in that in within that
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  organization. You know, how are you going to
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  now, you know, you've had a driver that get get get your car
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  into the Chase, right, get you into the next round and you as a
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  as a organization let him down. We can't go in, we can't go into
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  the chase because we screwed up. You didn't screw up as a driver.
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  We screwed up. We kept your name out of the
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  chase. We kept your name out of the and
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  all this stuff they got the TV deal going on in the backgrounds
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  right now with these guys. All the stuff is happening, all
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  the media, all the attention you're going to get for the next
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  few weeks being in this deal, you know he's not in it anymore.
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  Alex Bowman's name is not going to be in it.
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  The only the only thing you're going to be talking about from
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  the next three races, Alex Bowman was in the championship.
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  If they they were caught, they were caught light, right?
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  They got kicked out. So in my mind it it I mean,
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  again, if you're Hendrick, how do you now, how do you let Alex
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  Bowman go after this happened to him?
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  I just don't, I didn't, I didn't believe that to be true to start
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  with, you know, with all the rumors.
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  And to me, this just solidifies his position within Motorsports.
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  No, that's a good thing. I didn't think about it.
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  No, it makes total sense. It would be really tough.
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  First of all, I believe, and somebody can correct me, I
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  believe he's under contract for at least another year.
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  So that was part of this story. But it is interesting.
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  How do you how do you get rid of a guy now who should have been
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  in the final eight if it really wasn't his fault that that would
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  be pretty dirty. Obviously, Alex Bowman didn't
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  know what was going on with the weight of the car.
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  I would think. I mean, there's no way.
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  And neither did Rick Hendrick, Jeff Gordon, by the way, right?
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  For all the fans out there, those guys, no, they wouldn't
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  have known it if they'd have known that, they'd have made
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  sure the thing was heavy enough. But no, no, they didn't.
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  They before it even starts, well, it's already started, OK,
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  on social media. But no, they didn't know.
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  And my guy Brian Lacortic 9696, he says they failed Alex for
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  sure. And I got to mention Brian here,
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  he said he's from Perrysburg. OH, that's about 20 minutes, 25
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  minutes where I'm from in Toledo.
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  That's the home of Jim Leland, the the Hall of Fame manager Jim
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  Leland. Just a little fun fact, he loves
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  cigarettes, didn't he? Yes he does.
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  Wearing spikes in the dugout, smoking cigarettes during the
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  game. Love it.
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  OK, so Rick, we'll, we'll change topics.
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  There's there's honestly so much to talk about lot of drama.
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  So we mentioned Alex Bowman, the DQ Hendrick does not appeal.
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  Yesterday we have this AP story from Jenna Fryer.
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  I'll read you the headline. NASCAR aware of allegations
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  A-Team engineer stole intellectual property to give to
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  a rival team. And in the article, it basically
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  says the engineer is in a contract year with Joe Gibbs
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  Racing, according to executives with six teams who spoke with
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  the AP on condition of anonymity because the details are
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  considered private and have not been disclosed publicly.
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  Joe Gibbs Racing, which has two cars still competing for the Cup
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  title, declined to comment. So we're talking about here
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  proprietary information and you always hear stories from back in
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  the day. I want to hear from you back in
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  your day. Maybe there are some guys who
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  are helping each other out, helping teams out with chassis
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  setup and all that. But now this is a a billion
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  dollar industry with NASCAR. These are teams that are worth
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  multi $1,000,000. These charters are worth
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  whatever it is, $40 million. This is a, this is a no no.
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  So this is a pretty big deal when you're sharing info with
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  another team, even if it's a team that's not in the the
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  playoffs here. What do you think?
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  Charlie yeah, if we go back, man, this is a big deal.
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  But I mean, when I first read about it and I looked at him
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  like, yeah, ain't no big deal. Hell, this stuff goes on all the
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  time, right? And it did used to go on all the
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  time, folks. This crap went on all the time.
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  You would still, you'd still a crew member to get, you know, to
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  get the information it this is always going on.
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  But you know, in those days when it was going on, I mean, you
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  just, you the, the guy would change teams.
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  Or really I'm going to tell you something.
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  A lot of what used to go on this kind of stuff, all these guys
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  know each other. A lot of them are buddies.
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  They go out partying. They'd be at the racetrack and
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  they go out partying on Friday or Saturday night and everybody
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  get to having a good time and drinking.
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  And you know, it'd be a it would be a crew member or whoever with
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  a team and that team is kicking butt and he'd maybe get a little
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  bit degraded and he'd start running his mouth.
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  He, he start talking. You know, he, he would give up.
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  You know what, what his team was doing that stuff And and the
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  other teams do this and other teams with all right, we can get
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  something out of Mikey there, but we got to give him three
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  shots of fireball and one and one Jack and coke and that then
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  that's no more than that. We got to get the information
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  right at that point, you know, and it was it was almost a
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  science with these guys as far as getting information and guys
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  would be buddies on pit Rd. and they would just talk and
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  somebody be down in the dumps and need some help or something
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  And somebody would, you know, back door give him a little
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  piece of paper and had some information on it.
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  I mean, I've seen this stuff, I've washed it up.
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  I know about it, right. And but, but, but Charlie,
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  everything you just said about where we're at with the sport
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  right now, you know, we weren't these guys weren't under
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  contract. They weren't under non
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  disclosure contracts, you know, those types of things, I would
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  assume. And in fact, I know I've heard a
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  lot of these guys in that are with these teams are under
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  contract. They can't talk about stuff
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  right under for fear of under penalty of the law.
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  Something, something, and I'll tell you something about Gibbs.
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  It's, it's, it's remarkable or it's funny about Gibbs.
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  This comes from Gibbs because I'm going to tell you something.
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  They're probably I've always felt they're the most, how can I
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  say this secret organization or or information kept within that
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  organization that but, and I'm gonna tell you something.
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  This starts this goes back when they started that team with
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  Jimmy Makar. Everybody members Jimmy Makar.
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  He was the first crew chief for Joe Gibbs back in the 90s.
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  You know, he's buried the Patti Bay car.
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  Patty's dead, did Jerk's daughter.
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  But anyhow, Jimmy was very, very, he's a good guy, dear
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  friend of mine. But you couldn't you couldn't
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  get information out of that boy. If you hung anybody's toes, he
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  wouldn't, you know, other guys you could be butting around with
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  and you talk a little bit about chassis or car.
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  Even after I retired, even after I was out of the sport and I
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  would show up the racetrack and I'd go find Jimmy and his truck.
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  And we sit there. I mean, I know two or three
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  times we sit there for an hour longer at the OR longer at the
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  back of the tow rig just talking, right, talking about
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  stuff. I would bring up anything about
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  the car downforce or anything. He he tight lipped, He wouldn't
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  say a word. It was the damnedest thing.
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  He was he was he was probably the most tight lipped guy in the
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  sport that I ever met in my life in that philosophy.
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  You know, he spread through Joe Joe Gibbs Racing, right?
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  And they they're just, you know, you don't get information out of
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  that group. And for this to happen to that
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  group is like damn, of all groups for this to happen to him
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  like man. So it it it you know, but but
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  but but for somebody to do it for financial gains, never knew
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  many people. I knew people do it.
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  They would do it for career gain.
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  You know, they would go to another team and let they and
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  they share the information they had.
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  But for somebody to just buy and pay for information from that
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  team, that's not right, Charlie. That is what we call downright
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  dirty, All right? It's just, that's just dirty ass
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  politics in our sport that if you're doing it for monetary
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  gain, no, you need to be kicked out of sport.
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  You need to be whatever it is you do.
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  Now, the other part of this is I see on social media people with
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  the IT said NASCAR knows about it and aware of it.
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  This ain't NASCAR's deal. Not you people raising the hell
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  about NASCAR. They say this has nothing to do
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  with NASCAR, right? Because there you get this gets
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  into the you know, this is not a franchise type deal.
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  These are independent contractors.
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  What goes on between those teams has nothing to do with NASCAR.
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  They they have no, they have no stance to rule on this.
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  OK, so they just need to be left out of this conversation
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  totally. It's funny because you brought
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  up back in the day maybe getting the guy drunk, getting a couple
• 19:26
  shots and I want to read a couple paragraphs real quick
• 19:30
  from this article. So it says this is Jenna Fryer.
• 19:32
  AP The engineer had been exploring options with other
• 19:36
  teams as the season draws to a close, Multiple team officials
• 19:39
  told the AP on Sunday, confirming they discussed
• 19:42
  possible employment. So this guy obviously may be
• 19:45
  looking to get a job with a different team.
• 19:47
  NASCAR acknowledged to AP it has heard that one team with no cars
• 19:50
  in the playoffs paid the engineer cash in exchange for
• 19:54
  setup information. So there was money exchanged and
• 19:59
  as you were talking, I was kind of laughing because don't you
• 20:02
  think there's a difference? Like if if a couple guys are at
• 20:06
  a bar and they're like, yeah, we got Vegas coming up, What are
• 20:10
  you looking at setup wise? They start drinking.
• 20:12
  Yeah, do this, do that. Right.
• 20:14
  That's different. That's kind of the good old
• 20:17
  boys. That's what's always been done.
• 20:19
  Now, if you're downloading a data file and you're emailing it
• 20:23
  or passing it along and you're paying money, that feels
• 20:26
  dirtier. But it's kind of funny because
• 20:28
  it's like. This is always been done, but
• 20:31
  now you're getting money. And I'm sure it was done in a
• 20:33
  more technological way than just a couple guys at a bar.
• 20:37
  But at the core, it's kind of what NASCAR has always been
• 20:40
  about a little bit, right, as you said.
• 20:43
  Yeah, it is right. And it, I mean, you're exactly
• 20:45
  right, Charlie. I mean, I, I know you know, we
• 20:48
  get into again, it's like the antitrust thing.
• 20:50
  We're a few levels above Rick Mass right now on on all this
• 20:53
  stuff and what the ramifications are.
• 20:55
  But yeah, it's still the, you know, but you know, dude, if
• 20:58
  you're going to, if you're exploring your officers for next
• 21:00
  year to change and go to another team, that's fine.
• 21:02
  You do all that. You don't give up that other
• 21:04
  properties of what you're doing. You just don't do that.
• 21:07
  It's not, you know, you know, But yeah, to the core, it really
• 21:13
  is. It goes back to kind of what we
• 21:16
  always did, a little bit of what guys have always done, but just
• 21:19
  stop for financial gain. Then just that's the kicker for
• 21:23
  financial, for actual cash money.
• 21:24
  Nah, Nah. And I don't know why NASCAR even
• 21:28
  said, yeah, we know about it. I don't even know how they would
• 21:29
  even comment on it, you know, if it'd been made NASCAR.
• 21:32
  I said no, we don't know what you're talking about, right?
• 21:36
  So car guy here asked a good question.
• 21:38
  Would the Gibbs setup info work on a Ford and GM?
• 21:44
  So a Ford or a Chevy? Or would that be Toyota only you
• 21:47
  think? No, it would work.
• 21:48
  It would work across the board, you know, because you know,
• 21:51
  we're talking about the, the, the, the fascia, a little bit of
• 21:54
  the greenhouse difference in these cars, the body styles, the
• 21:57
  fascia and the tail tailpiece. But they're all, they're all
• 21:59
  regulated. They're all so close.
• 22:01
  Anything you do on one, anything you do on one is going to, it's
• 22:05
  going to work on the other ones. Now in the past probably it
• 22:07
  wouldn't be that way as much because aerodynamics, the
• 22:10
  downforce, the side forces, all the geometric forces of
• 22:14
  everything you're doing because you're a different manufacturer.
• 22:16
  Yeah, it might, maybe would, would would work.
• 22:19
  But no, that's a good question and it would work.
• 22:21
  It it, it'll cross pollinate across all the platform of all
• 22:24
  the the OEMs. OK, let's actually talk about the race for a
• 22:30
  second, which you did at the beginning.
• 22:31
  Somebody had a good comment here about Kyle Larson.
• 22:34
  Let me find it. David said, did Larson win on
• 22:38
  Sunday? I think that's David saying,
• 22:40
  hey, there's a lot of drama. Let's talk about the actual
• 22:42
  race. So Kyle Larson dominates and
• 22:46
  Rick Mass. This gets back to what I said at
• 22:48
  the last cut off race. Just the drama of the playoffs
• 22:53
  and seeing on the left side of the screen who's going to be in,
• 22:57
  who's out? And then look, even though Kyle
• 22:59
  Larson won easily, the drama of 2530 laps to go, being able to
• 23:05
  watch Tyler Reddick just chip away, chip away, and then
• 23:10
  finally get ahead points wise of Joey Logano, you think Joey
• 23:14
  Logano's out? Obviously that's changed now
• 23:16
  with the Alex Bowman DQ, which we already mentioned.
• 23:19
  But more on this race. I thought it was super exciting.
• 23:22
  Even though Kyle Larson won easily, watching Tyler Reddick
• 23:26
  that last 25 laps was captivating to me.
• 23:29
  Yeah. And it goes to the, the, the,
• 23:33
  the, the setup deal by the Chase.
• 23:35
  If we didn't have the Chase, God, that would have been a
• 23:38
  boring ass race. Because again, again, Kyle
• 23:41
  Larson whipped everybody's ass, right?
• 23:44
  And he's been doing it more frequently here, by the way, as
• 23:47
  of late. So, yeah, I mean, again, I
• 23:50
  caught myself doing the same thing.
• 23:51
  Charlie. I'm sitting there looking at the
• 23:53
  left side of the bottom of the screen.
• 23:54
  I'm looking at the cut off point, right?
• 23:56
  And you know, I was sitting there with a big time Chase
• 23:59
  Elliott fan watching this thing and that guy, you know, I, I
• 24:01
  didn't say anything, but I kept watching this guy kept his eye
• 24:04
  glued down there to the left part of that screen horror.
• 24:08
  Chase Elliott was in the in the standings the whole time, right.
• 24:11
  And every time, like one time he was, he was the 9 car.
• 24:14
  We're talking about him. I'm talking about him because
• 24:16
  I'm with my buddy that is an Elliott fan and I was just
• 24:19
  observing him and he would, you know, Chase would, would state
• 24:22
  was doing the deal to get his stage points right.
• 24:24
  And my buddy was like, well damn, he's not going to be able
• 24:26
  to win. We're doing this.
• 24:27
  I'm like, yeah, but they're getting stage points.
• 24:29
  Yeah, but he's not going to win. And then, you know, by doing it
• 24:33
  the way he did it, they didn't have really have a chance shot
• 24:36
  at women, but they were trying to make sure they had enough
• 24:38
  points. And then when he dropped back to
• 24:40
  20s, so he made that one pit stop on his way back in the 20s
• 24:43
  and he was like 3 points above the cut line.
• 24:45
  And my buddy's sitting there just, you know, coming, going to
• 24:48
  pieces because he's only three points above the cut line.
• 24:50
  And I'm explaining, Yeah. But as all this works out, he'll
• 24:52
  be good. And as it all ended up, it did
• 24:55
  work out. But my point being, you know, if
• 24:57
  you've got a driver and he's in that deal on that left side, if
• 25:00
  you've got, if one of your drivers is one of those eight
• 25:02
  down in there, you're watching all those guys, know what I
• 25:05
  mean? It makes it very exciting for
• 25:06
  the whole race. This guy, you know, if that if
• 25:08
  that hadn't been going off, that wasn't going on, my guy sitting
• 25:11
  here, he and I know my buddy, he would have been 3/4 drunk by
• 25:15
  halfway through the race because the race was born other than
• 25:18
  Kyle Lawrence. I mean, Kyle Larson, because he
• 25:20
  had, he's doing his thing. But by by having a chase and by
• 25:24
  having all that happening, yeah, it was a cool last race, man.
• 25:27
  It was just a good race all the way back through again.
• 25:30
  What was that a couple weeks ago?
• 25:32
  If we said we should throw Kyle Larson out of it, the rest of
• 25:35
  the race was real good, right? And that was.
• 25:37
  That Bristol. Yeah, I mean, it was Bristol.
• 25:39
  That's exactly where it was. Charlie.
• 25:41
  Bristol is a great race. Other than Kyle Larson, this was
• 25:43
  a great race. So yeah, this is a good case in
• 25:47
  point. And by having my buddy sitting
• 25:50
  there and me watching him, interacting with him, I'm like,
• 25:53
  OK, this Chase is a pretty cool deal.
• 25:55
  This is a pretty cool deal. OK, I want to find the the
• 26:00
  standings here, so give me one second.
• 26:02
  But as I was watching and obviously now Bowman is out and
• 26:07
  Logano's in who let's be real, Logano is even a a bigger name
• 26:12
  driver than Alex Bowman, even though Bowman's good.
• 26:15
  But I think when you get into the round of eight, and this is
• 26:18
  what we talked about a couple weeks ago, like OK, 16, get in.
• 26:22
  You can have a couple guys who can win a race in a in a flukish
• 26:26
  fashion. Not taking anything away from a
• 26:28
  Harrison Burton or some superspeedway guys that win a
• 26:31
  race. But I'm telling you, you go to
• 26:33
  16, you go to 12. You're still saying, OK, some of
• 26:35
  these guys that are in the top 12, not necessarily elite
• 26:40
  drivers, but man, look at this 8 Rick Mast, Kyle Larson,
• 26:45
  Christopher Bell, Tyler Reddick, William Byron, Ryan Blaney,
• 26:49
  Denny Hamlin, Chase Elliott, Joey Logano.
• 26:52
  I mean, we're talking about, I think there's a good chance.
• 26:55
  Tell me if I'm wrong. I think all eight of those guys
• 26:58
  could be NASCAR Hall of Famers. I mean, I mean, that's, that's
• 27:03
  how good this final 8 is. It's crazy, the big names.
• 27:06
  It is. And it's funny, it's kind of
• 27:09
  like it's kind of like Speedway racing stricter plates.
• 27:11
  You get down to the, you see all these names all day long running
• 27:14
  up front and you get down to the end of the race and who do you
• 27:17
  see at the end of the race? A lot of times at
• 27:19
  superspeedways, those same, that same group of guys that that are
• 27:22
  so good at superspeedway racing. And it's kind of like what's
• 27:26
  happened now with the points deal.
• 27:27
  I mean, in basketball, they're called posers.
• 27:31
  You ever heard of the word poser, right?
• 27:33
  Yeah. These guys, we've gotten these
• 27:35
  top eight, man, they're not posers.
• 27:37
  I mean, they they should be there, you know what I mean?
• 27:40
  And any any one of those eight right now, I couldn't give you,
• 27:43
  you flip a nickel. I have no idea.
• 27:46
  Right when we get we get to the Final four, when we get 4 going
• 27:50
  to Homestead, I'll give you the prediction then who's going to
• 27:53
  win the championship. But to me, as I said before,
• 27:55
  Charlie, to me, the whole exciting part of this deal is
• 27:58
  getting down to the last four, getting the last four before we
• 28:01
  get to Homestead, over the time we get to Homestead.
• 28:04
  To me, that's more exciting than the actual Homestead race, but
• 28:08
  not Homestead. I'm sorry.
• 28:09
  Phoenix. Phoenix, I keep saying all good.
• 28:13
  When we get to Phoenix, to me it's a little bit anti climatic
• 28:16
  because to me the championship has been getting to Phoenix with
• 28:21
  a chance of winning, right? Because the day of Phoenix, it's
• 28:25
  whoever's got the best set up that day, you know, you got one
• 28:29
  race and whoever hits to set up the best is going to be.
• 28:32
  And it's the last couple years it's been, it's been Team
• 28:34
  Penske, right? And you know, so, but yeah, to
• 28:38
  your point, you couldn't have 8 better ones.
• 28:41
  I mean they set themselves up properly.
• 28:44
  And I, I think, I think with the, the format, a lot of
• 28:49
  drivers are saying, OK, it, it's not like back in the day in
• 28:53
  terms of winning a championship, but I, but I agree with you in
• 28:56
  terms of getting to now. Phoenix used to be Homestead.
• 29:00
  And I'm, I'm going to make a basketball analogy because you
• 29:03
  did. I'll, I'll go college
• 29:04
  basketball. You know, you have a national
• 29:06
  championship in college basketball, but there's a lot
• 29:09
  of, there's a lot of prestige of making a Final four in
• 29:13
  basketball. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:15
  Like when a coach retires, they'll say he had 700 wins.
• 29:18
  He had one national championship, whatever it is.
• 29:20
  He had five conference championships, but he had six
• 29:23
  Final Fours or he had eight final Fours.
• 29:25
  You know, I used to cover Tom Izzo.
• 29:26
  Tom Izzo for a while was Mr. Final Four.
• 29:30
  Like he only has one. I say only he only won one
• 29:32
  national championship back in 2000.
• 29:35
  But getting to a Final Four and going through two weekends of
• 29:39
  the NCAA tournament is very hard to do.
• 29:41
  And I'm thinking about it now in the NASCAR realm.
• 29:43
  I agree with you. Once you get to to Phoenix, I
• 29:47
  mean, look at Christopher Bell, he just he blew up one of those
• 29:50
  years last year, the year before.
• 29:52
  But getting to Phoenix is very, very impressive.
• 29:55
  So I feel like maybe we should, we should have that stat for
• 29:58
  NASCAR, the Final Four, you know, not just your
• 30:01
  championships, not just your. Braces.
• 30:02
  Won. How many Final Fours did you get
• 30:04
  to? Because that's pretty.
• 30:05
  That's pretty big, yeah. And and, and, and to your point,
• 30:08
  Charlie, the year my Virginia Cavaliers and Tony Bennett won
• 30:12
  the national championship, of course, you know, we're big time
• 30:14
  Virginia Cavalier basketball fans, right?
• 30:16
  And we followed those guys, man. We, we ate, you know, we every
• 30:21
  breath we took was all about getting there.
• 30:23
  And when they watching it on TV and doing all that when they got
• 30:26
  to the final four, it's like, my Lord.
• 30:29
  And even Tony Bennett as good a coach he is, and he's very
• 30:31
  humble guy by the way, and a good guy by the way.
• 30:36
  Even if he was like, I remember 1 quote was like to his team,
• 30:41
  guys just relish, relish what you've done.
• 30:44
  Relish where you're at. Relish you're in the you're in
• 30:48
  the final four, right? I remember he, he, you know, to
• 30:51
  what you were saying, he, he, you know, you're exactly right.
• 30:54
  Just soak it all in, you know, no matter what happens here when
• 30:58
  we leave this weekend, soak, soak in what we've done, man.
• 31:02
  Right. And then they went and won the
• 31:03
  thing. They won it all.
• 31:04
  So. But yeah, you're exactly right
• 31:06
  about that. Final four to me is the big
• 31:10
  deal. It's the big deal.
• 31:12
  How about some other news? This was yesterday and we've
• 31:16
  talked about Hayley Deegan before and this was this was
• 31:18
  basically common. You kind of knew this was going
• 31:20
  to happen. So for now, Hayley Deegan is
• 31:23
  leaving NASCAR. She's going to the Indy next
• 31:27
  series and she's racing next year.
• 31:30
  She did three years in trucks. She did 21/22/23.
• 31:36
  She did this past year, about half a year or so in Xfinity.
• 31:40
  Not great success. Hopefully she has more success
• 31:43
  in open wheel. You saw that with Danica
• 31:44
  Patrick. Danica Patrick had much more
• 31:46
  success in open wheel than she did in NASCAR.
• 31:51
  And also, I remember watching a couple years ago, Hayley Deegan.
• 31:55
  I know there's some people who think, oh, she can't drive and
• 31:56
  all that. She drove pretty well in that
• 31:58
  SRX series when she got an opportunity.
• 32:01
  It did seem like some of the boys were wrecking her a little
• 32:04
  bit the last couple years. So what do you think?
• 32:07
  You think she has a better chance in open wheel?
• 32:08
  I do. I say that because not a
• 32:13
  competition level, but it's something about I don't know.
• 32:17
  Let me just I I based it off Danica Patrick, OK, Danica did
• 32:22
  so well there. You know, she came here and she
• 32:24
  did well and not not, you know, she wasn't a winner, a perfect
• 32:27
  winner. And she went on down the road.
• 32:28
  But, you know, she Danica really made her name in the IndyCar
• 32:32
  world and brought it to the Cup side, the NASCAR world.
• 32:36
  Haley was trying to do it, the NASCAR side, you know, having
• 32:39
  trouble after trouble after trouble.
• 32:42
  If she can go to the IndyCar world and and make a name for
• 32:45
  herself, kind of like Danica did, man, I'm all for it.
• 32:49
  I'm all, you know, I'm 100% behind her on doing all that.
• 32:51
  It is. I mean, I've been 100% behind
• 32:53
  her trying to make it no matter what she does because, you know,
• 32:56
  cool story, cool girl, cool, cool person, you know, but
• 33:00
  here's the deal, Charlie. Here's the deal, man.
• 33:02
  If you're a race car driver, dude, and I've had a
• 33:04
  conversation with some with some dudes, right?
• 33:07
  You're like a, you're like a tree trunk, right?
• 33:10
  A tree with the branches. All right, listen to me.
• 33:12
  Follow me here a little bit. Dude, your tree trunk, you got
• 33:16
  these branches. You're the tree.
• 33:17
  You're the trunk. Well, the trunk is, you're a
• 33:19
  race car driver, right? The branches go off.
• 33:23
  I'm a race car driver that happens to be a woman.
• 33:26
  I'm a race car driver that happens to have been born into a
• 33:30
  rich family. I'm a race car driver that
• 33:32
  happens to be black or African American, right?
• 33:36
  I'm a race car driver. Whatever the core is, you're a
• 33:39
  race car driver. If you establish that and you do
• 33:42
  that properly, the branches, it's kind of what makes your is
• 33:47
  what makes your name, gosh famous, right?
• 33:52
  But you've got that you've got to be able to do the the central
• 33:55
  core part properly. And Danica was doing that in
• 33:59
  IndyCar when she came to NASCAR, you know, she was a woman that
• 34:06
  happened to be a race car driver, right?
• 34:08
  And it, I think from that standpoint, it, it, it, you
• 34:12
  know, it hurt her, right? It, it just, it didn't work, if
• 34:15
  that makes any sense to you. What I'm saying.
• 34:17
  You've got to be at the core race car driver 1st.
• 34:20
  And everything else happens with Haley digging, you know, they,
• 34:25
  you know, they, they promote her as a girl and a woman and her
• 34:28
  daddy and her all the sports and all the stuff that that family
• 34:32
  did and does right. And that that's kind of how they
• 34:34
  promote her. But you know, she has to be a
• 34:37
  core a race car driver first. If she could do that and maybe
• 34:41
  get back to that in the IndyCar world, then then, then she
• 34:45
  becomes a big Dave like Danica, right?
• 34:47
  And I'm, I'm hoping that's what happens to the girl.
• 34:49
  I really do. And you mentioned her dad, Brian
• 34:53
  Deegan, he was on Kenny conversation and he brought this
• 34:55
  up and he did it in a in a matter of fact way.
• 34:58
  He wasn't. I mean, he was complaining, but
• 35:00
  it wasn't like he was just bitching and whining to NASCAR.
• 35:05
  He was saying, look, I mean, he had seen so many people take out
• 35:09
  Haley on the track the last couple years.
• 35:11
  And this was this was earlier this year.
• 35:13
  So he was talking mostly about the Truck Series.
• 35:16
  And I do think this is where it's different going to IndyCar
• 35:20
  because of the nature of the car.
• 35:22
  Obviously in NASCAR you can do all that beating and banging and
• 35:26
  there are some dudes who are like, hey, I'm, I'm not going to
• 35:28
  lose to a woman no matter what, even if we're racing not just
• 35:31
  for 2nd place, first place, but for 17th place, right?
• 35:35
  I'm going to, I'm going to knock her out of the way.
• 35:37
  And I do think her advantage in IndyCar, probably similarly with
• 35:41
  Danica Patrick, she also brought this up is you can't do that
• 35:44
  beating and banging in IndyCar because you'll wreck everybody's
• 35:48
  car. So also, I think in terms of
• 35:50
  driving with respect, there's just more respectful driving in
• 35:53
  IndyCar, so maybe she has a better shot.
• 35:56
  Yeah, and I'll give you a favor with AJ Ford, quote, one time,
• 35:59
  years and years ago, we were somewhere together and AJ we
• 36:03
  were talking about, you know, he was talking about all the guys
• 36:06
  through the 60s or late 50s sixties, all his buddies that he
• 36:10
  watched get killed during the races.
• 36:12
  And you remember or you've heard about it anyhow, you know that I
• 36:15
  mean those guys, if they race, they were going to kill somebody
• 36:18
  that week. Somebody go get killed and lose
• 36:20
  open wheel cars. And as AJ talked about, he
• 36:22
  talked about he's he's heard divers talk about I'm not
• 36:25
  scared. I get the race car.
• 36:26
  And AJ says if he's if that guy says he's not scared getting in
• 36:30
  the race car, I don't want to be around him on the racetrack
• 36:32
  because he's going to die. You know, he said I have fear
• 36:34
  when I get the race car. He said, you know, I don't trust
• 36:38
  people like that. Well, his, his point was what
• 36:42
  what he was saying was he and Mario, some of the guys that
• 36:44
  came through that made it, they were better than exceptional
• 36:48
  race car drivers because you could not touch wheels.
• 36:52
  If you put your right front wheel against another guy's left
• 36:54
  rear, y'all are both going to go flipping out of the out of the
• 36:57
  stadium, right? And he's talked about so many of
• 36:59
  his buddies and people he saw die because car control wasn't
• 37:04
  there. And they would get into one
• 37:06
  another with these cars and you couldn't, you couldn't do that
• 37:09
  with those cars. Well, it's still true today with
• 37:12
  any cars. You just can't, you know, you
• 37:14
  can't touch wheel to wheel or you had no bumpers to touch,
• 37:17
  right? You got to learn, you learn how
• 37:19
  to drive without hitting anybody or rubbing anybody because
• 37:23
  you're going to wreck, right? And and and the good news is
• 37:26
  with any car today, they don't they don't kill him like they
• 37:28
  did the 60s, right? But you still you get yourself
• 37:31
  taken out of the race, right? And so, yeah, that that that
• 37:36
  that, you know, from that standpoint, from that standpoint
• 37:39
  alone, it's probably worth Diggins efforts to whatever
• 37:43
  she's had to go through to make this happen.
• 37:45
  Just from that standpoint. You know, if that's a problem,
• 37:48
  they feel like it's a problem. She feels like it's a problem.
• 37:50
  Her dad feels like it's a problem, then obviously it's a
• 37:52
  damn problem, Right. So what do you do?
• 37:55
  You you go to a series that, you know, you can't get away with
• 37:58
  that stuff and, you know, maybe, you know, it might, it might all
• 38:01
  click for it. Who knows?
• 38:02
  We'll see. It's funny too.
• 38:04
  We have a, we have a whole battle going on in the chat with
• 38:08
  people debating Kyle Larson. We have some Kyle Larson fans,
• 38:11
  some other people going after Kyle Larson.
• 38:13
  So that's all going on in the chat.
• 38:14
  People can people. Can get involved.
• 38:16
  How about any updates? Any new thoughts on the NASCAR
• 38:20
  lawsuit? So we we learned at the Kenny
• 38:25
  Wallace YouTube channel. So I think there was some some
• 38:28
  misunderstanding. So basically the injunction that
• 38:32
  Front row and 2311 Racing is trying to get, they actually
• 38:36
  want to be able to sign the charter agreement.
• 38:40
  But there was a waiver put in last minute that said if you
• 38:43
  sign the charter, you cannot sue NASCAR.
• 38:46
  So these teams actually want to sign the charter for 2025, but
• 38:52
  they want to be able to still challenge NASCAR legally for
• 38:56
  what they're saying is monopolistic practices on
• 38:59
  antitrust grounds. So I I think there was a little
• 39:01
  misunderstanding there. But any new thoughts on the on?
• 39:04
  The, no, the, the and that was in there.
• 39:06
  They brought that up. That was in the, the, the 6:00
• 39:10
  DocuSign 3 hours we got to sign this DocuSign that was in that
• 39:13
  document. At that point you signed this
• 39:15
  document, you got the charter, but you cannot sue us, right?
• 39:19
  And that was that was made pretty evident by 2311's
• 39:22
  attorney that that, that, that, that one sentence really, really
• 39:25
  messed them up. So basically, no, I don't have
• 39:28
  anything new. I know because, you know, I
• 39:31
  think we just have to watch this as it plays out.
• 39:34
  I mean, the the big hit we took the big hit last week, Charlie,
• 39:37
  that was all it was talked about.
• 39:38
  It was always brought up, you know, and all the pundits to
• 39:40
  everybody went on about it. But this week we had so much
• 39:43
  going on. You know, it really wasn't
• 39:45
  talking about that much. And I think what's going to
• 39:46
  happen, what we're going to see is as this plays out in court,
• 39:49
  every time we hit with it, when the judge here's it's going to
• 39:52
  be an onslaught right then Pockras and everybody else going
• 39:55
  to report on that. We're going to know what's
• 39:56
  happening. But you know, I just, you know,
• 39:59
  I just kind of feel like it's just something we're kind of on
• 40:02
  the we're kind of long for the ride on and it's above our level
• 40:05
  what's going to happen. So we hate that it's going on.
• 40:08
  But you know, the guys that what they're wanting, they want their
• 40:11
  cake eat it too. They didn't sign the charter.
• 40:13
  They want the injunction. So they can have the current
• 40:17
  charter, they can operate next year under the court charter
• 40:20
  while still suing NASCAR for a better charter agreement.
• 40:24
  I mean, that's what it boils down to.
• 40:25
  So, you know, and I'm sure probably the judge, I mean, I
• 40:29
  don't know, they might, the court might not.
• 40:31
  The court might come back, say no, you're not going to give it
• 40:34
  to you. I don't know.
• 40:35
  But if that's the case, 2311 said they would run without a
• 40:38
  charter. But I got an idea.
• 40:39
  They probably never thought they would actually have to run
• 40:42
  without a charter. I don't know.
• 40:43
  That part to me is what's intriguing about this.
• 40:46
  If the court would say no, we're not going to let you run next
• 40:49
  year on it with that charter unless you agree to all this,
• 40:52
  right? So we'll see how that happens,
• 40:54
  right? And they just see what happens.
• 40:56
  They just built this beautiful multi $1,000,000 brand new
• 41:00
  building. Also, the timeline you probably
• 41:02
  saw last week, the timeline was extended a bit because of the,
• 41:05
  the Hurricanes doing all the damage in North Carolina and
• 41:09
  down there in Daytona where NASCAR headquarters are.
• 41:11
  So they'll they'll have a little bit of an extended timeline.
• 41:14
  I do think, 'cause everybody likes the conspiracy theories.
• 41:17
  So, So when the lawsuit was filed, you wanted, OK, are they
• 41:22
  going to try to go ahead and try to maybe get something on a
• 41:25
  Tyler Reddick, get something on a Denny Hamlin?
• 41:28
  And and look what happened. I mean, Tyler Reddick runs down
• 41:31
  the field and Denny Hamlin, who obviously races for Joe Gibbs,
• 41:35
  but he's an owner of 2311. He gets in the playoffs and,
• 41:38
  and, and look who, look who gets knocked out of the playoffs, a
• 41:42
  Hendrick Motorsports driver, Alex Bowman, where everybody
• 41:46
  always thinks that Hendrick gets special treatment, right?
• 41:49
  Oh, Hendrick's in bed with NASCAR, They get all the special
• 41:51
  treatment. So it's just kind of funny
• 41:53
  because going in people wondered, oh, are they going to
• 41:55
  try to go after the 2311 guys? And it was a Hendrick driver
• 41:59
  kind of going the opposite of what the stereotype always is,
• 42:02
  that NASCAR goes out of their way to help.
• 42:04
  Way, way too much attention, Charlie.
• 42:07
  There's way too much attention in our sport now.
• 42:09
  You can't get away with this stuff, right?
• 42:11
  We've all heard the rumors and talked and talked about in the
• 42:14
  past with NASCAR and maybe fudge is something that's about
• 42:18
  letting somebody get some, getting something through
• 42:20
  inspection and whatnot. We've heard all heard those
• 42:22
  rumors. I never personally witnessed it.
• 42:24
  I never personally first hand heard from anyone that NASCAR
• 42:30
  purposely gave these guys a pass or let these guys do.
• 42:33
  I never, I never did that. But but at the day's in today's
• 42:37
  world with with the media, we have the scrutiny we have.
• 42:41
  No, they can't get away with it. You know, they it would equate
• 42:46
  worse if NASCAR was caught doing something like that.
• 42:49
  Dude, I mean, your integrity, everything about the sports gone
• 42:54
  if they, if they were actually proven to be able to, to
• 42:58
  actually do that as an organization, right?
• 43:02
  We lost our sport. Honestly, we've lost our sport
• 43:05
  because, you know, and NASCAR is the ruling body.
• 43:09
  They, they police the sport. That's what they do.
• 43:12
  They police it. They don't control everything
• 43:13
  about our sport with these race teams the way an NFL model does.
• 43:17
  They're there to believe, to police the sport.
• 43:20
  The biggest job they've got is to police this sport every week
• 43:24
  to keep a level and fair playing field.
• 43:27
  You know, if you do something like that, then that's in
• 43:30
  essence the core that goes against the core of what they're
• 43:33
  actually there for is to police everybody.
• 43:35
  And they just, you know, I read this stuff on social media, man,
• 43:39
  you just laugh. I mean, like, good God almighty,
• 43:41
  I remember, I remember when Earnhardt Junior was running
• 43:43
  there. I always talk about Earnhardt
• 43:45
  Junior. Well, if NASCAR was doing all
• 43:49
  these things that these people said they were doing, how many
• 43:52
  championships? Earnhardt Junior win, right?
• 43:55
  I mean, he would be a multi championship winner.
• 43:57
  It didn't happen. You're right, it doesn't happen.
• 44:00
  This stuff doesn't happen. It makes for good fodder for all
• 44:03
  of us. But no, no, it just it's not
• 44:06
  there. It's just not there.
• 44:08
  And then somebody does bring this up, which I think is
• 44:09
  interesting. This is DMH 1812, says they do.
• 44:14
  They didn't hit Byron, but they did Bubba.
• 44:16
  That was talking about the penalty the other day on the
• 44:19
  chicane where it did look similar and a lot of people were
• 44:22
  wondering why Bubba was penalized and Byron wasn't any.
• 44:27
  Any thoughts on? That no, I have done just a
• 44:29
  quick call just a quick call in a moment right.
• 44:33
  And if you back it up and slow it down enough, yeah, OK, we got
• 44:36
  it. You know, you, you made the
• 44:37
  right call there not going. All right, Rick Mast, what about
• 44:42
  we got story time? We got What's pissing off Rick
• 44:45
  Mast? I do want to hear about this
• 44:46
  honky tonk that people can go to your Twitter, your ex account
• 44:50
  and see you at the Honky tonk. So what else you got here as we
• 44:53
  wrap up the show, you know. I'll tell you what's weird about
• 44:55
  that. This place called Sidewinders
• 44:56
  and Roanoke, right? Big old honky Tonk.
• 44:58
  We went. I took my girls there for the
• 45:00
  21st birthday seven years ago or whatever it was.
• 45:03
  And we go in there and there's this guy sitting in there and
• 45:08
  they have all kinds of security and all these things going on
• 45:10
  and the place fills up and you got the band playing.
• 45:12
  You got two or three bars, right?
• 45:14
  Typical deal, typical honking talk, but I've never seen a guy
• 45:17
  sitting with security had a had a ball cap on.
• 45:19
  Older fella, right? That was a 7-8 years ago.
• 45:23
  We go back this weekend. We're going in there and we go
• 45:26
  in there about 8 O clock. The damn place is empty, right?
• 45:28
  I'm like, well damn. But I got a whole big group of
• 45:30
  people with us. So we we order something to eat.
• 45:32
  We're doing our thing and I noticed we got security
• 45:35
  everywhere. There's 4 Roanoke City policemen
• 45:37
  running around in here. There's at least three security
• 45:40
  guys that I could tell there's a couple more.
• 45:42
  We got people taking up the money and I look over there and
• 45:46
  there sets that guy with the ball cap on.
• 45:48
  I said that's the guy was here seven years ago anyhow about, I
• 45:53
  don't know, nine O clock people start filing in 93010.
• 45:57
  There's probably, I don't know, maybe 150 people in here at this
• 46:00
  point, right? And then I look and I'm, I'm
• 46:02
  sitting right there at the outside window and I can look on
• 46:05
  the street where they set up the metal detector outside and get
• 46:08
  these ropes lined up. Well, I see people lined up
• 46:11
  coming into this place tonight and they start piling in.
• 46:13
  I'm like 1030 cord 11. And all of a sudden you can't
• 46:17
  move in here. I'm like, and they're lined up
• 46:18
  for almost a block down the street.
• 46:21
  All of a sudden they open the door.
• 46:22
  Charlie, there's an upstairs to this place.
• 46:24
  It was added about 3 years ago. And you go upstairs, right?
• 46:27
  And they got the bars and it's a DJ and it's pretty elaborate up
• 46:31
  there. The light show and the smoke
• 46:32
  show and all the stuff goes on. But anyhow, here's my point.
• 46:36
  So I finally, I'll keep looking that guy at the ball cap.
• 46:38
  I walk over to him, introduce myself.
• 46:40
  Are you the owner? Yep, I said when you put the
• 46:43
  upper floor in, he said two or three years ago and I introduced
• 46:46
  myself. He says Rick Mash, You're Rick
• 46:48
  Mash. I said, yeah, this dude, come to
• 46:51
  find out this huge dude used to be in race and he worked for
• 46:54
  Larry Camp, which is a marketing company in NASCAR.
• 46:57
  He worked the Anheuser Busch account.
• 46:58
  He worked the gargoyle sunglasses account.
• 47:00
  He worked he works for stuff. And he he I went to his office
• 47:04
  and he showed me pictures and he had been with a billion, you
• 47:06
  know, with junior and a lot of stuff in his racing days.
• 47:09
  And I got to look at the pictures and I'm like, man,
• 47:12
  dude, I know you he's done changed.
• 47:14
  But I remember the pictures from those days.
• 47:16
  I go down to my basement in the been by trophy room.
• 47:18
  I got a picture of, I don't know, some award for being on a
• 47:21
  pole or something. There's that dude having me the
• 47:23
  award for the for the pole, but it it's just, and then we ended
• 47:27
  up doing a bunch of autographs and doing stuff with him.
• 47:29
  You know what I mean? But it's just funny.
• 47:31
  The NASCAR people, it's funny. 6° of separation of NASCAR is
• 47:35
  just ridiculous, man. It's just ridiculous.
• 47:38
  I mean, here's a guy in Roanoke, VA, who's a very successful
• 47:42
  ball. And by the way, Zac Top's going
• 47:44
  to be there for all you Zac Top fans.
• 47:45
  He's going to be there Thursday night.
• 47:46
  You can't get in. And this particular bar Charlie,
• 47:48
  what I like about he always gets these axe in here and he's got
• 47:52
  his walls are lined with the axe and they're, you know, a picture
• 47:55
  of him in the in the autographs, right?
• 47:57
  He gets all these acts that hit rape.
• 48:00
  They come into play for him. And then six months later they
• 48:03
  become famous. It's the damnedest thing.
• 48:06
  I can't even remember all the names.
• 48:07
  I mean, Scotty Mccreery, different people, people you
• 48:10
  seen on Idol and, and, and the voice and, and people that's
• 48:13
  made it now Morgan Wallen. I don't know a bunch of
• 48:16
  different people right to come through this, but it's kind of
• 48:18
  like like maybe 50s and 60s and Tootsies, you know, in, in in
• 48:25
  Nashville. But anyhow, that was my weekend.
• 48:27
  It was fun. Did get back, did get back
• 48:30
  before daylight? Not long before daylight, but we
• 48:33
  did back before daylight. Nice.
• 48:35
  Any anything ticking off Rick mass these.
• 48:37
  Days. Well, the same old thing.
• 48:38
  The same thing going on in the West with the western mountains
• 48:41
  of West of North Carolina, Tennessee.
• 48:45
  Holly, Charlie, we can do a whole store.
• 48:47
  We can do a whole deal on that thing, man, a whole day on it.
• 48:49
  But you know, you, you, you see these stories of people putting
• 48:53
  videos out about what's going on, how much FEMA is helping,
• 48:55
  how much FEMA is not helping. And all of a sudden I watch this
• 48:59
  and now it become political, right?
• 49:01
  If you're, if you're a Democrat, the government's doing all they
• 49:06
  should be doing. If you're not a Democrat, the
• 49:09
  government ain't doing crap, right?
• 49:11
  I'm like, people, just look at what?
• 49:15
  Look at the reports that are coming out.
• 49:17
  Pay attention to what they're telling you.
• 49:18
  You know, is it as bad as they're saying it is with the
• 49:22
  government not helping? No.
• 49:23
  Is it as good as other people say it is with FEMA?
• 49:26
  Hell no, it's not right. You keep saying all these
• 49:29
  reports, they they finally arrested some good old boy
• 49:33
  yesterday for threatening FEMA, FEMA official, right?
• 49:37
  And what I do, Charlie, on this whole deal is I go off of people
• 49:41
  that I know, people I know that are there, right?
• 49:45
  And I watched you watch these videos and you can tell some of
• 49:48
  the videos, right? People maybe embellishing the
• 49:50
  stories and all. But you could also tell when
• 49:52
  somebody's been sincere and what's going on in the people
• 49:55
  that I talked to. And there's, there's just
• 49:58
  complete devastation. I mean, dude, it's starting to
• 50:01
  get cold. It's 30.
• 50:02
  It was 34° here at my house tonight.
• 50:04
  And in the mountains, North Carolina is a lot colder than
• 50:06
  that or last night. And you know, we got people
• 50:10
  still stranded down there. We still got we still got
• 50:13
  problems. And it just that stuff that it's
• 50:16
  just pissed me off here in 2024, you know, here we are three
• 50:20
  weeks after event like this or whatever it's been now and we
• 50:23
  still got people that unaccounted for and and not
• 50:27
  tended to. It's bullshit, Charlie, you
• 50:29
  know, this bullshit as well as that.
• 50:31
  Everybody knows that's bullshit. Whose fault is and I don't give
• 50:34
  a damn whose fault is. I don't care.
• 50:35
  I could care less whose fault it is.
• 50:37
  Is it, is it Biden's and Harrison's?
• 50:39
  I don't know it. I don't care.
• 50:41
  Was it Bush's fault when Cortina hit New Orleans, you know, and
• 50:45
  they had trouble. I don't care, right?
• 50:48
  We've got a government, we've got a military.
• 50:49
  Get your butts off your butts or get your get off your asses in
• 50:54
  DC and get down or wherever you got to do it and send the
• 50:57
  military and send people in. Help these folks.
• 51:00
  Crap, man. It's not.
• 51:01
  This is not political. It's not rocket science.
• 51:03
  Help the people in need. That's what's pissing me off
• 51:06
  right now, Charlie. And it was it was cool, though,
• 51:10
  to see Greg Biffle on that race, the Charlotte Rowville and he
• 51:15
  was the starter and they gave him a nice standing ovation in
• 51:17
  the drivers meeting for, for everything that he's done.
• 51:20
  And I know we're going to get him on Kenny conversation again.
• 51:24
  And we were trying to do it last week.
• 51:25
  And, and he's doing more interviews, but a big, a big
• 51:29
  part of the interviews is honestly getting the word out to
• 51:32
  get people and other companies to help donate all these
• 51:37
  supplies and all that. So he's, he's still balls to the
• 51:40
  wall on that. That's just amazing to see.
• 51:42
  And it's, it is pretty cool. He deserves the Presidential
• 51:45
  Medal of Freedom. And I, I think it's, it's neat
• 51:48
  because Greg Biffle was a damn good NASCAR driver.
• 51:51
  But I think in the end, he's actually, and he'd probably be
• 51:55
  more proud of this. He's going to be remembered more
• 51:56
  for this and things like that than what was also a great
• 52:01
  racing career. It's funny, you know, I went out
• 52:04
  with Biffle was coming in. I don't think I ever had a
• 52:06
  conversation with him. And then when we did the NASCAR
• 52:10
  kick off alumni group deal at Darlington this year, you know,
• 52:13
  the NASCAR alumni group, the new deal they got going on that I'm
• 52:16
  a part of, and we did that at Darlington.
• 52:19
  Well, I spent some time with Greg there, me and I was 2-3
• 52:22
  drivers or the bus office. But anyhow, got to know Greg a
• 52:24
  little bit, right? It was almost like, not like
• 52:27
  kindred spirits, but it's like, OK, Biff was one of the dudes
• 52:31
  that Rick Bass would be big time buddies with had he come through
• 52:35
  the 90s racing with me or height, or if he's racing
• 52:38
  together, he's one of those guys.
• 52:40
  I'm like, all right, all right, I love the Biff.
• 52:42
  I love the Biff. So, so, so this deal that he's
• 52:46
  doing up there and again, what he did was was pretty good, but
• 52:49
  the the awareness that he brought Charlie, he brought the
• 52:51
  awareness to that thing, put all those things together in the
• 52:54
  beginning with helicopters and all that.
• 52:55
  That was that was a big time deal.
• 52:57
  But after meeting the Biff, I'm like OK, this is not surprising
• 53:01
  to me for him to pull this off. I'll tell you what, let's let's
• 53:05
  end on that note. This has been a hell of a show.
• 53:07
  Rick Mast in terms of our our live shows, Best live show by
• 53:11
  far. Tons to talk about.
• 53:13
  We had I think 500 people watching at one point.
• 53:16
  Look at this. Well, thank you folks.
• 53:18
  Yeah, in the last hour. And how about Kenny Wallace?
• 53:21
  3800. How about Kenny Wallace and
• 53:23
  Dirty MO Media? What is it about all this man?
• 53:27
  Hey, folks, this thing's going big time, right?
• 53:29
  It's going big time. Kenny Wallace show, dirty Bo.
• 53:32
  That's right, Charlie, about your boy Charlie.
• 53:34
  He's got to be he's got to be working harder and doing more.
• 53:37
  So I'm I'm really excited to watch all this happen today.
• 53:40
  You know, for my little part on this deal, I really, really,
• 53:43
  really love watching you guys doing this thing and making it
• 53:46
  happen. It's it's so freaking cool,
• 53:48
  dude. Well, thank you.
• 53:49
  And you're and you're a big part of it.
• 53:50
  And I think there was also some confusion on what's what's
• 53:53
  happened there. So we're not we're not changing
• 53:55
  anything. We're going to still do all the
• 53:57
  content on YouTube and Rick masks still going to be here.
• 53:59
  And we're just adding a show basically, which they haven't
• 54:02
  named the show yet, but it's going to be Kenny Wallace, Ken
• 54:05
  Schrader. I guess the only difference is
• 54:07
  they're going to create a new podcast platform.
• 54:10
  So that show and the Kenny conversation, we have to
• 54:13
  determine which shows are going to be on which podcasts
• 54:17
  platform. So that's still all in the
• 54:18
  works. But nothing really is is
• 54:20
  changing. We're just going to do more and
• 54:22
  better stuff. And Rick's still here and I'm
• 54:25
  still here and we're adding Ken Schrader and we're linking up
• 54:28
  with the best company that does this dirty MO Media.
• 54:30
  So it's all good. Yeah, I'm.
• 54:32
  I'm excited. I'm excited for all this.
• 54:34
  I really am. Good, good.
• 54:35
  You know why, Charlie? Very simple, man.
• 54:39
  The coolest guys. You got the coolest guys.
• 54:42
  We got the coolest guys on this deal.
• 54:44
  You don't get any cooler than Schrader and Kenny and Rick
• 54:46
  Mass. You just don't get any cooler
• 54:47
  Dude. And Charlie.
• 54:49
  There we go. I love it, I love it.
• 54:52
  There's the perfect way to end on.
• 54:54
  So thanks everybody. Hey, if you're watching right
• 54:56
  now and you haven't subscribed yet, please hit that subscribe
• 54:59
  button and helps out. Hit that like button and we'll
• 55:02
  be back next week after Vegas. This was a good one, Rick.
• 55:06
  Appreciate it man. We'll see ya.
• 55:07
  Tulu guys.