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Drive Thru News #67 - We're going on an Excursion! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Let's see.
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This is April.
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Hello and welcome to Drive through episode number 67.
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We don't do that anymore.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I thought this was a podcast where we don't say anything.
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You're killing it.
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You're killing it right now, Tanya.
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You're doing so good.
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I'm so proud of you.
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We don't have a formal showcase, but I don't know what should we label
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this because the headline read.
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The word war.
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You know, we have department of war now, the war and the war, but it's not a war.
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It's a conflict.
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But then I heard there was another way to describe it.
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Isn't that right Tanya?
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An excursion.
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We're going on an excursion to the desert apparently.
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I see what Eric's talking about.
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The war.
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The war.
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I don't think we're quite there yet.
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No.
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I feel like it's just a bunch of the do moments here and I'm
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gonna just come out swinging.
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This is comes from car scoops, right?
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The Iran War War.
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Again, excursion, conflict, whatever adjective you want to use to describe
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it could end tomorrow and the auto sales industry will still lose.
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A million sales.
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It's been ending tomorrow for about three weeks, I think.
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I mean, yes, we're in the middle of like the most economic turmoil ever.
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Who's gonna run out and go buy a supercar?
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YouTubers, Instagram influencers, tiktoks.
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None of the rich and powerful Middle Eastern are gonna
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buy a supercar right now.
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I think they're a little busy.
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Wouldn't you say what kind, what, what is this reporting?
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What, what is this stuff?
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Uh, but no, in in seriousness though, another side effect of all of this
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that's going on, and I think this next one was brought to light even before the
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excursion started, which was the dilution of our fuel to maintain the E 15 that
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we use in the winter throughout all of May as we head into the hotter days.
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And Tanya, I know you've been out of the business for a while, but
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can you explain what this means and like how this actually works?
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Because I think it's important for us to discuss.
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I mean, it means poor fuel economy.
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Well, why is that?
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Because I don't think a lot of people understand what the E
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10, E 20 E 15 actually means.
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I'll put it in layman's terms.
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That's a percentage of alcohol that's in mixed, it's a percentage of ethanol.
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So the 10 is 10%.
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15 is 15%.
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Although, so it's really meant to be an octane booster 'cause
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it has a higher octane number.
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So it's good if you're trying to prevent engine knocking or something, but doesn't
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have as much combustion capability, I guess to put it simply as gasoline does.
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So you're not actually getting as good a fuel economy than if
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you're using straight gasoline.
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So depending on what they're pricing it at, you're not actually saving anything.
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If they keep the price at $5 a gallon and now it's more ethanol and you're
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getting worse fuel economy, then you're going to the pump quicker.
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So the rule of thumb I heard in racing was.
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It takes twice the amount of alcohol to make the same power as gasoline.
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Right?
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I mean, that's probably a stretch.
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I mean, they say it's like 30% less energy per gallon than gasoline, so
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I mean, that's not insignificant.
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Yeah.
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But the bigger problem with extending it into the hotter
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months, the way I understood it, and correct me if I'm wrong, is
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that it tends to evaporate quicker.
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In the hotter days, especially when the car heats up and the tank
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heats up and we have all these evap systems that let the fumes escape.
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So basically your tank is emptying itself as the alcohol evaporates out of the fuel.
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Yes, and it also has a problem that ethanol will absorb water from the air.
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So it's particularly bad.
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I mean, maybe that's less impactful if you're constantly using your carb.
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That's why they say it's not good to leave ethanol or fuels with ethanol
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like in a lawnmower that you button up for the winter or some other piece
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of equipment that that you don't use.
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Or even a car if you've got a garage queen that you don't drive very often
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because the ethanol actually absorb water and now you're gonna have water
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and then it'll separate and you'll have a water phase and then a fuel phase.
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And obviously that's no good when you go to go combust.
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Chemical term for that is hydroscopic.
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Is that right?
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That it likes water or hydroscopic?
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I can't remember.
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Remember.
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I wasn't very good at chemistry.
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I think it's called bend over and Open your wallet.
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Yeah, I grow scopic.
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And the reason I bring that up is because brake fluid suffers the same problem.
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And I don't think a lot of people realize that if you go too long on
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your brake fluid and don't flush those fluids out, you end up with water
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concentrated in your brake fluid.
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And there's tests where it, there's like these litmus sticks.
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You can stick in there to see, you know, the potency of your brake fluid.
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But realistically, Brad, you just went through this on your tundra
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changing brakes and it's like, well what about the brake fluid?
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Thankfully I changed the brake fluid over the, the winter when I
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had my inspection done because it was on my list of fluids to change
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just in the maintenance schedule.
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The breaks themselves were not, but the fluid was so, yeah.
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Um, but yeah, you're, you're right.
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And it's probably, I'm assuming it would mean the same thing for like clutch
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fluid and trans, well, probably not transmission fluid 'cause that's always
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moving, but that's hydraulic fluid.
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So it's different.
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Yeah.
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I mean the other bad thing is ethanol is and alcohol.
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What does alcohol like to do to things?
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Make 'em drunk.
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Make it what?
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Make it drunk.
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Our cars all need to go to AA now.
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There you go.
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Alcohol, things like that aren't usually good on rubber parts.
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Yeah.
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Dries out rubber.
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So all your seals, all your hoses, all that stuff.
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I don't need dried out hose, which is particularly important when
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you're talking about classic cars.
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Especially cars pre 1980.
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I mean, they run on the newer fuels as long as you burn through 'em.
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But to your point, Tanya, if they sit for extended periods of time,
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you're risking damaging something in the system that could be
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catastrophic and extremely expensive.
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Yeah.
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I mean, not only, I mean, they're probably more prone to dissolve
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rubber, which would be even worse.
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Yeah.
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And so, I mean, that's why, again, I think it's not recommended for motors, whether
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it's a lawnmower or a boat even that sits.
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For a long time, or your garage queen.
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Well, and the reason I wanted to bring it up and talk about it as an important
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thing is car show season is upon us.
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People are taking 'em out.
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They're cleaning them up.
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They're filling them up after sitting over the winter, and they might not be
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thinking about the amount of alcohol for ethanol that's in fuel right now.
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And if you're getting a higher dosage, you know, upwards of 20% at some of
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the stations, then you only take it to a car, show a couple miles away or
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whatever, and then you let it sit for the rest of the summer, you're gonna
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be in deep trouble come the fall.
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Honestly, I had that thought when I heard that and I was like, man, I really
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need to stretch the legs on the gt.
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But I'm like, I probably need to add fuel to it.
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Well, I guess I'm not gonna add fuel now 'cause it sits for a pretty long time
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and I don't wanna put that in the tank.
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You just need to run out to the track and get some from Summit Point.
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Or I can bring some up from I stop.
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I can stop easily Stop by, uh, dominion.
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Yeah.
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Get some a hundred octane or 110 race fuel.
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That is the option for a lot of cars.
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You'd give it the old Italian tuneup?
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Hell yeah.
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Yeah.
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A hundred octane At a hundred mile an hour.
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Let's go.
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It clears out all the carbon.
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It'll, it'll give that car what?
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115 horsepower?
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That 110?
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I'll have 111.
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I will say there was a, a Wawa, I think it was at the Wawa down
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the road where they gave me the option for ethanol free gasoline.
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Yeah, so they just built a new sheet up here too, and they have all the colors of
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the rainbow as we like to refer to 'em.
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'cause sheets, colors.
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They're fuel pumps.
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So you know, red is this and Diesel's green.
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And the blue fuel is the Flex fuel ydi.
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And not all of them have it.
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The ones in Pennsylvania for sure have the, all the colors of the rainbow.
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And they have an orange, which is an ethanol free, it's not quite
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like a hundred octane, but it's designed for the older cars that
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can't run, you know, between 10 and E 15 and all that kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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I think the, the Wawa had a black one for the ethanol free, a green one
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for diesel, and then some other rando color for, or maybe it was yellow or
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something, I don't know, whatever.
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Right.
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But they, they, they kind of had it color coded as well.
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I was like, Hmm.
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Not too often that you see ethanol free fuel these days.
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And this is all a result too, of, you know, the petroleum
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situation that we're in right now.
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But more importantly, there was another article that was again,
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sort of like a de do moment in that diesel production has always been
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stifled, especially in this country.
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And it's down right now on top of everything else, which is why you're
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seeing the price of diesel escalate so much faster than gasoline.
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And people might be listening to this and saying, who cares?
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I don't have anything diesel.
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I don't care about diesel.
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Well, do you care about the packages being delivered from Amazon, from UPS?
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'cause all those are diesels and the trains that move them across the country,
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those are diesels and the semi trucks that moved them from the trains to the Walmart.
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Those are diesels and a lot of generators and construction equipment.
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Diesel, diesel, diesel.
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And to make it even worse, there's a lot of people out there that heat
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their homes on home heating oil, also known as wet folks, diesel.
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Diesel.
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Exactly.
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The good thing about that is at least we're heading into
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the warmer months, right?
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At least we're a lot of the country.
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So it, those people should see.
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I don't know if they'd see relief, but it shouldn't see it escalate
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as much as they normally would if we were heading in the winter.
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Yeah.
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And I, I think the timing was like just right, that it started to
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escalate, you know, and start to accelerate really hard as we were
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coming out of the colder months.
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'cause can you imagine filling 2, 3, 5, 700 gallons of diesel?
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You know, some people have massive tanks to heat their houses
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and their buildings and stuff.
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At $6 a gallon, that's the street price for what you pump into
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your Cummins Dodge Ram diesel.
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Right.
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But when you pay for home heating oil, add another 30 cents a gallon or to 50
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cents a gallon on top of that, it is.
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Bonkers, expensive.
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So diesel is a crucial part of the world and also the world economy.
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You know, we don't talk about Dieselgate too much anymore.
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Not not a ton of people running around in diesel cars, but there's still a
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ton of diesel that moves the world.
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It's absolutely incredible.
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So I'm hoping that we'll see the prices come back down.
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But if they don't, I mean, good night.
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I guess we'll have to start like.
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Now that wouldn't even help anyway.
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I was gonna say start shopping at Brick and Mortars.
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But they still need to get their supplies from senior.
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Correct?
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Correct.
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Like either way, there's no way to avoid it.
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Drones, ev drones, that's what it is.
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Just we're gonna deliver.
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See, Amazon's gonna make it a reality.
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That's, they said they would, but that's just it.
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Brad, your point about shopping and and needing stuff and the way we buy
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things just in time and order it online and have it show up the next day.
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Think about this though.
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We're getting nailed still with tariffs.
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They haven't gone away and now we have this diesel crisis on the other side.
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The cost of everything is going to triple and that's going to have a effect on
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everything to include the car community.
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So the next time you need to go buy something simple like, oh, I don't
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know, oil filters or brake pads.
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Don't be surprised when it used to cost 20 bucks and now it's 200.
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I'm not saying that's a good thing, but I don't know.
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Let's talk about something a little bit nicer.
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Maybe not so much.
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'cause these folks are crazy.
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Volkswagen, Porsche and Audi News.
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So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna read this Volkswagen's considering an EV comeback
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for the Tore, so now I'm confused.
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'cause they have the atlas which replaced the Tore and the Tiguan is the size of
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the old tore got re badged and there's a whole bunch of badge engineering there.
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But aside all that, I have to say if this rendering is right,
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this might be, and I'm gonna put asterisk and air quotes around this.
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This might be the best looking VW in the last 10 years.
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Tell me I'm wrong.
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No, that was the first thing I thought.
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I was like, wow, that's actually not terrible looking.
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Right.
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It looks like the SUVs of 10 plus years ago, which were
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actually quite handsomely styled.
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This is proportioned.
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It doesn't have any dumb lines.
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You said SUVs of 10 years ago.
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You mean like the tore Shush.
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You shush.
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I mean, they only show it from the front threequarter angle, but I like it.
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I don't like it as an ev, but I like it.
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And I don't wanna say I'm not sold on EVs 'cause I get it.
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I'm not sold on Volkswagen doing EVs.
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They do not have a good track record at this point, and I'm just
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considering their sales numbers.
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I don't wanna talk about reliability or recalls or anything like that.
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I just, I don't get it.
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Anybody that would buy a brand new Volkswagen right now is a moron.
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Just, just putting it out there.
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Just that it's putting that out there into the universe.
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Anybody that buys a new Volkswagen right now is a, here's the
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kicker about this article.
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Okay.
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More so than the design, which caught my attention.
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It's this one line.
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In the article it says, the new sales boss, Martin Sander at VW has said
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there remains a gap in the market for upmarket cars that don't carry
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a premium badge, which the to reg and the Fon, which was discontinued
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in 2016, were designed to serve.
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And I said, really?
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Really, here's the bigger question.
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Why are they bothering doing this?
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What EV do they have right now that's actually doing well?
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Well, the ID buzz got killed.
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Yeah, the ID four got killed.
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I heard that too.
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So what, which one is doing, you've already lost twice.
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Three times the charm.
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And we're not counting the Porsche stuff that they're backpedaling on.
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Like they canceled the McCann ev, they're pulling back on the Tacan
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'cause they took a bath on that.
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So that's two more right there.
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Not counting stuff that they probably sold in Europe that we never saw,
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like the ID three and all that.
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My guess is the ID buzz and the ID four were a little too out there
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when it came to styling and design.
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And this is more in line with just like a normal looking S-U-V-I-I.
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I'm not saying that they're right, I just, this is where I think their thinking is.
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I could follow your argument with the van that that was too much.
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Like people aren't, it was too expensive.
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It wasn't too out there.
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It looked like it.
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It was definitely too expensive.
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It was definitely too expensive and it has the cost price to it, but I don't
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think the ID four was so wildly styled that it should have deterred anyone.
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If anything, maybe it was too small for people.
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Yes, but does anybody really need a electric toric?
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I can see the ID four being too small for some people.
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I can, I can see that this is the General Motors problem.
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VW has somehow usurped the way they've done business because
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we joked about this and GM is really not in the news right now.
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Like we made fun of them.
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Like, I don't know how many drive-throughs ago.
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Like it's general morons over there.
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Right?
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They don't know what they're doing.
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They're always 10 years behind.
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They're trying to catch up with everybody else, and by the time everybody else
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pivots, they're like, we're, where?
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Where'd the party go, guys?
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I thought we were, you thought we were jamming out here?
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This statement that the Toag and the Fon, but we need to fill a premium.
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That's what Audi is for and beyond Audi.
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That's what Porsche's for.
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And then, oh wait, they own Bentley.
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So if we wanna go premium prestige, luxury models, why don't we
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build an Evie Benga or whatever that thing is called right now.
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There is a new Bentley coming, the Bentley, uh, the Barnato
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sounds like Bono from Formula one.
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The barnacle.
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Yeah, the barnacle.
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Like it looks like a barnacle.
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This thing is horrendous.
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But the point is, it's like, why are we wasting the time?
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Everybody said when the Fon came out, nobody's gonna spend
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a hundred thousand dollars on a re badged steel framed a eight.
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And guess what?
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Nobody wasted a hundred thousand dollars on a steel framed a eight.
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It was pointless.
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So we're gonna repeat the mistakes of the past Volkswagen.
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Get out of your own head.
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Like they're delusional.
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They're totally delusional.
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They have no idea what they're doing.
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They don't listen to the consumer.
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No.
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Hell no.
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Hell no.
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I saw spy photos of the new golf, the Mark nine, I guess
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you know, the ninth generation.
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It's even bigger.
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If you can imagine.
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It's gonna be a Tiguan by the time it's on.
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The golf keeps getting bigger and uglier.
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It has this funky front end.
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It looks like a Kia.
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You know the one with the wraparound front light that goes
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from like one end to the other.
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I was like, this is the future of the golf.
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Really.
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Like you guys are out of, you've lost touch with reality.
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Like what are you doing?
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So now we got this Bentley built on top of the Q five, which
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that is a useless market too.
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Who's gonna buy a cheap Bentley?
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So this is again, the game, right?
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Like in the GM paradigm where it's like, we're gonna make a Chevy
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that's better than a Cadillac.
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Just sell a Cadillac as your premium model and Chevy's your base.
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Volkswagen is the base.
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Model in the equation here in the United States for this family, but we're gonna
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try to do a bargain basement Bentley.
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So they spent all the tooling, the research and the stuff
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to build on top of this Audi.
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It looks terrible and nobody's gonna buy it.
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I'm gonna throw down a challenge.
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Oh boy.
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Here we go for the show.
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Do you think we could do a season?
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No.
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You know where I'm going, don't you, without talking about Volkswagen.
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It's impossible.
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Without talking about Volkswagen.
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No, we did it with Tesla.
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We gave up Tesla for a year and we did it without BMW.
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But they made it easy.
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It's impossible because if you look at this next article, it,
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it's stuff like this that makes you beat your head up against the wall.
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China is getting a Jetta.
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A Jetta, SUV.
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Drop the mic.
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Folks.
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Talk about badge engineering, bad badge engineering.
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This looks terrible too.
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Well, it's another car.
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It looks like they're just rebadging.
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Another car.
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The Jetta X, they call it the Jet X, also known as the id.
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Aura.
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T six S. UV.
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Not to be confused with the id.
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Unix oh nine.
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What?
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What about the The id?
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Linux?
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Dude, this is ter.
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This is the kind of stuff I don't understand.
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And then Volkswagen's going after the Chinese market.
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They're up against BYD.
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Porsche has already lost their ass in China, so we're gonna try with this.
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This is what they want.
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Really, I don't know.
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Electric, SUV.
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Ugh.
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But that's okay because Volkswagen, not only are they getting rid of the ID
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four, as Tanya mentioned, they're scaling down production capacity by a million.
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Cars and layoffs are imminent, so they're in good shape.
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I mean, I guess the, they gotta hit rock bottom before and
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they can rise from the ashes.
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I don't know, before they hit rock bottomer.
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Well, formula One's gonna bring them there.
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Again, this is all to pay for Formula One.
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I'm telling you, there's no other way to do it.
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So when do we start seeing.
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Volkswagen sell off pieces of the company.
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Like what's the, the brand in Spain and Sayat.
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Sayat do, do they own Sayat?
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Yeah.
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Like what if they sell off pieces?
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What if they sell off Sayat?
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What if they sell off Audi?
20:24
God forbid they sell off Porsche.
20:26
They sell off Bentley to somebody else.
20:27
I mean, well that's coming next.
20:30
There has to be, I think you're right.
20:31
They'll scuttle the stuff that just doesn't sell.
20:34
That'll all end up at JLR or something like that.
20:37
Yeah, especially Bentley.
20:37
Like all the Bri, the British bands.
20:40
The British.
20:41
The British bands.
20:42
That's what I really meant to say.
20:43
They wanna get back together.
20:43
The bands wanna get back together.
20:45
The Jags and the Bentleys and the Rolls Royces.
20:47
Right?
20:47
They don't need to be owned by the Germans anymore.
20:50
No.
20:50
They go to, they go to India.
20:52
Yeah, a hundred.
20:53
There's a G. If they get rid of all those, they get rid of all those.
20:56
Then what do they become?
20:57
Volkswagen?
20:58
Nobody's gonna pay $50,000 for a golf.
21:03
Because that's their problem right now.
21:05
So they don't solve a problem if they're gonna keep doing what they
21:07
do, but just divest the other brands.
21:10
People don't care.
21:11
People don't realize that it's Audi, Porsche, Volkswagen.
21:14
So if nobody's buying a $50,000 golf today with the trifecta, they're not gonna buy
21:19
it tomorrow when they're by themselves.
21:21
You, you and I understand that If it was me doing it, I would sell those
21:25
off and completely redo Volkswagen from the ground up and yeah, start
21:30
listening to the consumer and selling vehicles that people actually wanna
21:33
buy at prices that consumers can actually afford and start over.
21:37
Basically, I, I think Brad's point is a little less General Motors and a little
21:41
more Toyota is what they need right now.
21:44
Yeah.
21:45
Because the only reason, well, to me, the only reason General Motors is still
21:49
around is because we bailed them out.
21:52
There is that too.
21:53
Is the German government gonna come and bail out Volkswagen?
21:56
I have to dig into that, but people have told me that there is something between
22:01
the Porsche Mafia that runs all that and the German state, they are involved.
22:07
It's sort of like too big to fail type of situation.
22:10
Yeah, of course they are.
22:11
I mean it's the same thing with isn't Renault owned by the French government?
22:15
Yeah, to an extent.
22:16
Or something like is owned by the public, like the French public.
22:19
Yeah.
22:19
Volkswagen is facing a 44% profit.
22:22
Crash driven government in the state of Lower Saxony are discussing measures
22:27
to aid the firm driven by the need to protect German jobs and industrial sector.
22:31
Say too big to fail.
22:33
As part of its crisis management, Volkswagen is considering
22:35
slashing up to 30 to 50,000 jobs by getting rid of Betley.
22:42
How does that help?
22:43
So, so is this one of the situations where they're prying wolf trying to
22:48
force the government to come in and step in and help to save those 50,000 jobs?
22:54
No.
22:54
See, but they didn't tell you where they're gonna cut the 50,000 jobs.
22:57
Oh, they're gonna cut 'em in the us.
22:59
Exactly.
22:59
You got it.
23:00
The Tennessee factory will get shut down before they'll shut down one.
23:03
Well, they've already shut down a couple of factories in Europe.
23:06
'cause we talked about that already.
23:08
But the thing is, they're gonna cut the labor force from other
23:10
places where it doesn't make sense.
23:13
Yeah.
23:13
Well, Chattanooga already shut down because they're stopping.
23:15
Id buzz.
23:15
Well at least that production line.
23:17
Well, all three of them that they made there.
23:18
Yeah, pretty much.
23:20
But they can also cut their factories in South America and Mexico.
23:24
'cause vehicles are still produced there.
23:26
Those governments wouldn't step in and help.
23:28
I'm sure Volkswagen has lobbyists on Capitol Hill right now trying
23:31
to say, Hey, we're getting ready to cut these 50,000 jobs.
23:34
The economy's already strained.
23:35
Why don't you go ahead and kick a little bit of bailout money out the
23:38
way and see, you know, if we, we can keep these jobs going about that.
23:41
All that.
23:41
It's all a far, it's all a far and then we talked about last month
23:45
how they're building munitions or something now too, to try to
23:48
diversify their engineering portfolio.
23:50
So it's like, all right, whatever to aid the, um, the losing F1 team.
23:54
Well that and what, what did we call the excursion?
23:56
The excursion.
23:57
The excursion.
23:58
But you know, they, they have taken other avenues to try to
24:01
shore up their pocketbooks, right?
24:03
Tanya?
24:03
They've gotten in bed with Hot Wheels.
24:09
They're tugging at the nostalgia heartstrings.
24:11
They are, you know, at 15 bucks a pop for two hot Wheels in this
24:14
special premium collection pack.
24:16
But you know what this says, you know what?
24:18
Cars aren't in this bubble pack?
24:21
It's not an ID buzz.
24:22
It's not an ID four.
24:23
It's not this Jetta X thing.
24:24
It's not the benga or the take hand.
24:27
It's the R 30 twos.
24:29
The last real enthusiast Volkswagens that they made, whether the R,
24:33
the second gen R 30 twos sold well or not doesn't really matter.
24:36
But the point is these are the cars we wanted.
24:40
Yeah.
24:41
And it does pull up the nostalgia strings, like you said, Brad, but they need to
24:44
go back to building cars like this.
24:46
That's what I'm saying.
24:47
Like it to fix Volkswagen, they need to go back to what Volkswagen did
24:50
best, and they were their best in the late nineties and early two thousands.
24:54
Yeah, they had finally figured it out and then after that it was like
24:58
all downhill race to the bottom.
25:01
But that's okay, because you know what?
25:02
Sometimes when you visit other companies, you realize how good you got it.
25:08
So when Volkswagen looks over the fence and says.
25:12
What's going on over there?
25:13
Stellantis.
25:15
They feel good about themselves.
25:17
It's getting weird.
25:18
It's stellantis.
25:18
Can, can you pronounce this plant name for me because I'm, I, it it's pronounced
25:24
in a certain way in my head and I think it's wrong, so I don't wanna say it.
25:28
It's French.
25:29
I, I I understand.
25:30
And the way I understand the non phonetic pronunciation.
25:34
'cause you gotta remember French, like half the letters are silent
25:37
or they have a different tonality.
25:39
So I asked my wife, 'cause she speaks French, it's poi That's
25:43
pretty close to what I was thinking.
25:44
Yeah, I knew what you were thinking.
25:46
But that is not correct.
25:51
Are are the, the people that work there, a bunch of, of PWAs, well, they're
25:55
not working there anymore because they're gonna stop making cars in the
26:00
French Stellantis factory and they're gonna shift to parts and recycling.
26:05
You might say, who cares?
26:07
You know, it's another factory that's shutting its doors, so be it.
26:10
There's a couple important things about the POI factory and that is that
26:15
Chrysler has been using that plant since the 1940s, that that's an old poi.
26:23
Now, in terms of the cars that are, that are sold there, or were,
26:27
I'm sorry, that were built there.
26:28
That's the Citra and DS three.
26:31
That's the hot hatch.
26:32
So I'm a little sad about that 'cause that means that car's not getting built.
26:36
Along with the Opal Mocca, CUV, which would be better known to a lot of people
26:40
in the United States as the Buick Enclave.
26:43
Not really sad about that going away.
26:45
I think the sadder part is that it's a piece of history.
26:48
Oddly enough, this particular article, which you can find in our show notes,
26:51
was brought to me by a member of this society of automotive historians,
26:54
and so they were talking about how the plant is even older than when
26:58
Chrysler took it over in the forties.
26:59
It was used by Ford, it was used by other people.
27:01
It's been around for over a hundred years in automotive production,
27:05
so it's sort of living on.
27:08
But no more cars will be rolling out the doors of the POI factory.
27:12
That's what I was just about to say.
27:13
So it, it looks like it's, it's not shutting down completely,
27:17
it's just being retooled.
27:18
Correct.
27:18
So at least from a economic standpoint, from a job standpoint, like they're,
27:22
they'll probably cut some of the workforce, but not all of it.
27:26
Yeah.
27:26
It's sort of like Willy Wonka when the guy used to put the caps on the toothpaste.
27:30
Now he fixes the robots that puts the caps on the toothpaste.
27:32
It's that sort of situation, you know what I mean?
27:34
Very nice.
27:35
Very nice.
27:36
You like that analogy.
27:37
It's a good one.
27:37
Yeah.
27:38
Meanwhile, in, in other parts of STIs, Fiat is going back to its roots.
27:44
Look at this thing, Tanya.
27:45
Mm. This is the trees.
27:48
How delightful.
27:49
I mean, that looks like an ape.
27:50
If I ever saw one, Italy was littered with these three wheeled tiny
27:55
delivery trucks for the longest time.
27:58
And then, then they were made by piaggio, which is the same people
28:01
that the Vespa and all that stuff.
28:02
So they had the ape.
28:04
But they're bringing it back.
28:05
It's very modern.
28:06
That's pretty nice.
28:07
And if it's an ev, it's perfect.
28:08
It's pretty nice.
28:09
Yeah.
28:10
Could haul a decent amount of mulch in that truck too.
28:13
You could actually, maybe more than that.
28:15
Dodge we saw the other day more than a cyber truck.
28:20
As we continue discussing lower Saxon A, it's not really BMW, so
28:25
I figured you were okay with it.
28:26
It's BM BMW adjacent because it's powered by BMW and it's got A BMW drivetrain.
28:31
Yeah, so Morgan has revealed the new super sport 400.
28:36
I've got a question.
28:38
Uhhuh, who buys these?
28:40
Right?
28:41
They're just so ugly.
28:43
I don't know if ugly is the right term.
28:45
They're very classic.
28:46
They have not deviated far from their original form, that's for sure.
28:51
I think these are probably a hoot to drive, probably more fun to drive
28:54
than a cater, because there's a little bit more substance to the car.
28:57
But the problem is the price.
28:59
I mean, you're getting kind of a really expensive Z four that's made of wood.
29:04
I mean, that's for lightness and not rigidity.
29:07
Yeah, because if any, whenever I think of wood.
29:11
I think of lightness.
29:12
Not say like an aluminum space frame or carbon fiber or anything like that.
29:17
Why use aluminum when you can cut down tree?
29:20
Yeah, we don't need to breathe.
29:23
Well, that's okay because they won't sell too many of 'em at the
29:26
starting price of just over $152,000.
29:30
If you can fit the thing like a tight leather shoe, it is small.
29:34
Well, you know who's already got an order for one?
29:36
I guarantee it is.
29:37
Uh, Richard Hammond.
29:39
Well, yeah, because they fit the car around him, like he's one of
29:42
the few people that can drive it.
29:43
Yeah.
29:44
Did you notice the wheels though?
29:46
They look Porsche wheels.
29:47
Oh yeah, I see.
29:47
There you go, Tanya.
29:49
Got it.
29:49
They look like the roof wheels from the eighties.
29:51
They're nice.
29:52
Doesn't suit the body style though.
29:54
It doesn't, but I don't know any wheels that would suit this body style.
29:57
The body style doesn't suit the body style.
29:59
Chariot wheels like on a Conestoga wagon, that might work.
30:02
Exactly.
30:03
This car needs to be pulled by a horse.
30:05
Of course.
30:06
You know, Brad, ask and thou Sht receive.
30:09
We have not talked about General Motors in quite a long time, but I
30:12
found a piece of General Motors news and it's yet another swift and well
30:17
thought out decision on their part.
30:19
The CT four and CT five black wings are going sad and you're
30:27
a hundred percent right.
30:28
And you know why it's sad?
30:29
Because these are really the tail end of the manual transmission V eight,
30:36
fire breathing sports saloons like we all loved and cherished over the years.
30:42
And this is it.
30:43
Once these are gone, what's left?
30:45
What can you buy with a V eight with four doors and a stick shift?
30:49
Uh, Dodge Dart.
30:50
That's a four cylinder 16.
30:53
I know, I know.
30:56
So much like the jokes about Volkswagen is this because Cadillac has to
31:00
pay for their failing F1 program.
31:02
Because in my mind, these are the cars you keep around to try to get people
31:07
excited about your racing program.
31:10
I was just about to say like, and, and you don't have to have
31:13
like a whole fleet of them.
31:14
Like you don't need.
31:15
Well, we'll, we'll take BMW for example, right?
31:17
You don't need an, you don't need an M, everything in the fricking lineup, but
31:22
one or two or even 3M cars to entice people to come in and they may not be
31:27
able to afford an M five, but they can probably afford a regular five series,
31:33
and it makes 'em feel just as cool.
31:35
Like you need these cars to excite people about the brand.
31:39
Volkswagen has killed off basically all of theirs.
31:42
Yeah, they say nothing.
31:43
Looks like GM is doing the same thing with Cadillac.
31:47
But gm, at least for as far as I can see into the future, which is not
31:52
very far, they have the Corvette, so they'll always have the Corvette that
31:56
entices people to come back to gm.
31:58
Well, let's put a pin in that Corvette thing for a minute.
32:01
Oh, did you?
32:02
Are you gonna, are we gonna talk about the recall?
32:04
Isn't there a recall that just happened?
32:05
Oh yeah, there is.
32:07
Since you brought it up, we might as well go there.
32:09
They have stopped production on the C eight Corvette.
32:13
Why?
32:14
What now?
32:15
Do they light on fire again?
32:16
When you fill them with fuel?
32:17
It's something super silly.
32:19
The hoods come open.
32:20
No, it's, it is like silly as in like it's, if I remember correctly,
32:24
I don't even think it really warrants a recall, but I could be wrong.
32:27
Chevy Corvette under stop sale.
32:29
Because software glitch might not tell drivers that their turn signals are out.
32:34
Yes.
32:35
What that is, who cares?
32:36
That is such, yeah, that, who cares that?
32:38
So let's take the BM BMW approach.
32:40
Let's do the, who cares Your freaking turn signals out.
32:42
So effing what?
32:44
That was the first thing I thought when I saw this was like, do Corvette
32:47
people even use their turn signals?
32:48
Like Exactly.
32:50
Sort of the Enzo Ferrari thing.
32:51
Like what's behind you?
32:52
Doesn't matter guys.
32:53
I mean, we're doing like mock two.
32:54
So who cares?
32:55
Turns you getting the, the, the Corvette owners are doing sub speed limit.
33:00
Well the ones I, the ones I always end up getting behind 'cause they're
33:04
like 80 years old and they can finally afford their dream car.
33:07
Those are the C seven drivers.
33:08
Now you see 'cause C eight drivers.
33:11
Those are the TED dbi million dollar man, hairy man, spaghetti wide, open collar.
33:17
These are the C eight drivers.
33:18
Okay, got it.
33:18
Got.
33:19
These are the guys at their peak earning potential.
33:21
They wanted a sports car and couldn't buy a Porsche, so
33:24
they bought a Corvette instead.
33:25
That's the demographic, the the respectable Corvette owner,
33:29
they're buying the old stuff.
33:30
Got it, got it.
33:31
I don't think c eights come with a pair of new balances.
33:34
They might come with Jorts like, but they don't come with New Balance.
33:37
They come with new balance driving shoes, new balance, lrs, what
33:41
a terrible, terrible recall.
33:42
That's the silliest C eight recall, yet it's had some dumb recalls,
33:46
but this one takes the cake.
33:48
I understand having a recall, but a, a stop sale, right.
33:52
For a software update that you do over the air.
33:55
It's important that your turn signals work, but they're brand new cars.
33:59
Like, are the turn signals failing immediately?
34:02
Like that should be like a. 10 years from now problem.
34:06
Are they using Philips bulbs?
34:07
I don't know if I've ever changed a turn signal, light bulb.
34:11
I don't think I have either.
34:12
You change headlight bulbs, brake light bulbs, but turn signal.
34:15
Nah.
34:15
You know what the problem is?
34:16
This is some stupid government regulation that says it needs to
34:19
blink about 5,000 times a second when your turn signal's out.
34:23
So you know your turn signal's out.
34:25
Although it's still blinking.
34:26
So is it technically out, you know how that worked on the old cars?
34:30
And to your point, why is this such a big thing?
34:32
Because the little stock that activates the turn signal isn't
34:37
actually connected to the circuitry for the turn signal anymore.
34:39
Remember, this is a software problem.
34:42
Mm-hmm.
34:42
Because on the old cars when the bulb went out, as rare as that was Yeah, it
34:48
was like tripper relay or something.
34:49
Right.
34:49
And it wasn't getting, it wasn't getting enough circuitry or something.
34:52
It shorts the circuit and causes the relay to start opening and closing really fast.
34:56
Yeah.
34:56
'cause it was all what?
34:57
Mechanical.
34:59
Gee, imagine that.
35:01
Yeah.
35:01
Yeah.
35:02
Shocker.
35:03
Well, Brad, I wanna go back to something you said before about
35:05
the badge engineering at BMW.
35:07
As we know over the last decade, they are infamous for slapping an
35:10
M badge on just about anything.
35:13
Got that?
35:14
MI three.
35:15
Hmm?
35:16
Yeah.
35:17
Woo.
35:18
This one just made me shake my head.
35:20
Tanya and I actually talked about this off camera.
35:23
We've been very excited about all the gazoo racing products from Toyota
35:27
gr, this GR jars, gr supra, GR 86.
35:31
Gr gr.
35:32
They're everywhere.
35:32
It's awesome.
35:33
Even the Haas GR Toyota team, right?
35:36
I mean now this season, but because they enthusiast who is at the helm
35:41
of Toyota is now left and it's in charge of by a bean counter.
35:44
They have taken a page from their partnership with BMW.
35:48
'cause let's not forget that the Supra was a Z four, the
35:51
Supra, as we like to call it.
35:53
So now Toyota is slapping GR badges on stuff.
35:57
And I'm gonna use the word stuff 'cause I don't wanna say anything too
36:00
bad, but I'll just say this Toyota's introducing the RAV4 GR sports garbage.
36:10
Is that what GR is short for now?
36:12
Garbage.
36:13
So I will say this is not new territory for Toyota because they've
36:18
been doing it in the US for years.
36:21
TRD with Lexus and they've got the F sport, which is not an F. So
36:26
they've been doing it for a while now it's just kind of trickled
36:29
down into the normal Toyota brand.
36:32
All I'm gonna say is there is nothing sport or GR about this RAV4.
36:36
The design alone is pretty terrible looking.
36:39
It reminds me of that Bentley we talked about earlier.
36:41
It's just awful.
36:42
But hey, it's got little red stitching in the seats GR right there.
36:46
So you're paying for an appearance package pretty much like the BMWs.
36:51
It's just an appearance but slap some badges on it.
36:53
It's a m now.
36:54
Terrible.
36:55
Toyota, you make me sad.
36:57
You gotta do better.
36:59
I got click baited this month guys.
37:02
I got really excited.
37:03
I read the headline from Car Scoops, pinine Farina, who has been, by
37:07
the way, booted from Ferrari.
37:08
They're no longer designing Ferrari.
37:10
That's why I got excited about this.
37:11
Pinine Farina has a Honda NSX reboot and I was like, Ooh, ooh, this is gonna be good.
37:18
Like they're gonna get their revenge on Ferrari.
37:21
You know, as we joke that a lot of the Ferrari look like an NSX, but
37:25
unfortunately this is a rest mod.
37:28
Mm-hmm.
37:29
Body kit by PanIN Farina.
37:31
I mean it looks good, don't get me wrong.
37:33
'cause the classic NSX looks good and it's still a good looking cart
37:37
to this day, but what a bummer.
37:40
I mean, it looks better than the The real in SX they came up with.
37:43
Yes.
37:43
I love the wide bodiness to it.
37:45
Yeah, that's hot.
37:47
The red one.
37:48
I would drive that it looks more Ferrari than a Ferrari.
37:51
If you think about it.
37:52
And it's got pop-up headlights.
37:54
How can you go wrong with pop-up headlights?
37:55
That is amazing.
37:57
Yes.
37:58
But we're not getting a new NSX.
38:00
However, comma, if this partnership were to continue somehow between Penny and
38:06
Farina and Honda, that would be epic.
38:10
The engines are still gonna be anemic, but the designs are gonna be amazing.
38:14
Let's dog ear this a little bit.
38:16
Come back to it and see if anything else progresses.
38:18
Especially since Honda and Sony have sort of parted ways and dissolved
38:22
the whole Alea thing, maybe they can concentrate on some good looking cars
38:26
instead of the whatever that was.
38:28
All right.
38:28
Well, Kia decided apparently to make the cyber truck better looking.
38:33
I don't understand because they said it's a stinger, and I'm like, I don't
38:36
remember the stinger looking like this.
38:39
It did not.
38:40
This looks like a cyber truck.
38:41
Am I wrong?
38:42
Because like the Kia Stinger admittedly wasn't a bad looking sedan.
38:47
It looks like an A seven to me.
38:48
I liked it a lot.
38:49
Did you see the interior shot?
38:51
That is like minority report?
38:53
Total recall.
38:55
Murder.
38:55
Death Kill murder.
38:56
Death kill.
38:57
Yeah.
38:57
It's like all the sci-fi films sprawled into one.
39:00
I wanna say this is terrible, but from every angle it's better
39:04
looking than a cyber truck.
39:05
What is that weird joystick thing in the gold seat?
39:09
I thought it was a cup holder.
39:10
At first.
39:10
I thought that was a Starbucks cup or a stand.
39:12
Is that a steering wheel or a Lego brick?
39:15
Maybe it drives itself.
39:16
Is that something to sit on?
39:18
Well, I don't get it.
39:19
Again, the cyber truck is the bottom of the barrel.
39:23
If that's at the bar, then I mean, don't take much.
39:28
And guess what?
39:29
It does not look good in Kelly Green.
39:33
That is not a favorable wrap.
39:35
Color choice?
39:36
Nope.
39:37
Oh, what's this?
39:38
Somebody added an, what's this?
39:40
What's this?
39:41
Someone added an article so much like Honda.
39:44
Is doing with heritage parts.
39:47
Now, apparently Nissan will also be having a program for heritage parts
39:52
only if you own an Ultima, right?
39:54
Well,
39:58
I mean Ultimas are all original parts.
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They don't ever change 'em.
40:02
They seem to indicate for the Z cars.
40:06
Oh, okay.
40:07
I'm glad you specified.
40:08
You're probably not getting some heritage parts for your 1990 Altima.
40:13
There's no Altima Z Sport.
40:16
Brad, you bring up a very valid point.
40:17
What if NI Nissan did that like a Nismo sport?
40:21
SMOs Ultima.
40:26
An an Ultima.
40:27
That'd be terrible.
40:28
I mean, good for them.
40:29
More companies need to do this because plenty of enthusiasts have
40:33
old cars, and as we've learned with our Ford project, which isn't that
40:38
old, it's extremely difficult to get stuff and it's like it shouldn't be.
40:41
I mean, we're very blessed in the Volkswagen community that there's a huge
40:45
aftermarket support for all the old cars, but I feel for everybody else, if you
40:49
don't have that network and you don't have that import overnight from Japan
40:53
thing going on, it's gotta be extremely hard to get stuff done, which is why you
40:57
never see any of these cars on the road.
41:06
Well, switching to EVs and concept cars, Tanya,
41:12
they finally got the smart right?
41:17
I mean, these cloth wheels, I don't understand.
41:21
I've never seen white tires before.
41:24
They won't be white for long.
41:26
What is with these front ends?
41:27
This is the third car with this thing that looks like, you remember those
41:31
mats like our grandparents would put in the bathtub so you wouldn't slip.
41:35
You know those things for like the seventies, like
41:36
that's what that looks like.
41:38
You know what that feels like?
41:39
You don't even have to touch it.
41:41
You know what it feels like?
41:42
I don't think this feels like that.
41:44
However, it looks like a suitcase.
41:47
You know the problem is you don't need a grill.
41:51
So what do you do with that space?
41:53
And I guess there's trying to be creative with a pattern of.
41:58
Plus signs, negative signs and circles.
42:02
All the mathematical operations you can think of like what is this?
42:06
Which the front view has a pound sign and a two in the little, I guess those
42:10
are lights of some sort in the grill.
42:13
That's 'cause it's the four two, hashtag four two.
42:16
Yeah.
42:16
Much like the mini, they did not deviate too far from its roots.
42:21
So it's, you look at it and go, that's a smart, I mean the
42:24
wheels and the tires are bizarre.
42:26
I mean, the thing is two feet long, how much can you
42:31
deviate from the spirit of it?
42:33
True.
42:34
It is a roller skate.
42:35
Here's the shocking part, and maybe it's not 186 mile range on battery.
42:41
Is that not enough or is that just right for its size?
42:45
Well, I think it's right for its size.
42:46
I don't know anybody that would be taking a road trip in a car this size.
42:49
And it's gonna be in the UK and Europe and everything.
42:52
It's, no, you're gonna take that back because I posted on Discord.
42:56
I saw a gentleman driving around the city this month in a Braas Smart, which I had
43:01
to like do a 10 take not a triple take.
43:04
I did like a 10 take.
43:05
You were in the city.
43:06
He wasn't driving down the coast.
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Yeah.
43:09
You didn't see 'em on 95.
43:11
City miles are like dog years.
43:14
Okay.
43:14
Like how many country miles are equal to a city mile?
43:17
You know what I'm saying?
43:17
Like it's, it's rough and tumble out there.
43:19
Uh, it's an excursion.
43:22
That comparison makes no sense.
43:26
I don't know.
43:26
I feel like an electric smart should do like 500 miles
43:29
before it needs to be charged.
43:31
Where are they gonna put all the batteries?
43:32
Exactly.
43:33
You think that?
43:34
'cause you go, oh, it's so small it power to wait.
43:36
It should be going forever.
43:37
But the problem is it's so small.
43:39
You can fit like one Duracell battery in it double or triple A.
43:43
When I think of a smart car, yes.
43:45
I think it should go like, sure.
43:48
To use Eric's analogy or Eric's thought it should go 500 miles.
43:51
Yeah, you should be able to charge it off of Mofi on your phone.
43:55
Yes, a hundred percent.
43:56
If you could fit a battery on that, that could do.
43:59
500 miles, then we should be getting way better mileage out of bigger cars.
44:05
But we're not, because I think it's all part of the game.
44:08
Or the farce delusion.
44:10
Thank you.
44:11
It all, it all aids.
44:12
The uh, the conflict, the excursion.
44:14
My new favorite.
44:15
It's my word of the month excursion liberation.
44:19
I'm talking about the Ford.
44:20
Isn't that what you're talking about?
44:21
Oh, of course.
44:22
Always.
44:31
Well, Brad, let's switch to Lost and found your favorite part of the drive
44:34
through where we scour the internet and call up Chuck led duck at Gray
44:38
Chevrolet to see if he's got anything on the lot that we want to buy.
44:42
And I found a car for Tanya.
44:44
Uh oh.
44:44
Shall I read the stats?
44:47
Limited production only 250 units worldwide.
44:51
This was a Japanese allocation with left hand drive.
44:55
45 units were sent to Japan.
44:58
It's serial number 1 74 of two 50.
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Its condition is non-smoking and it's completely stock and
45:04
its interior and exterior.
45:07
Its exclusive.
45:08
Features include RO orange leather, front bucket seats, 18 inch oz,
45:12
magnesium wheels, and a Remus dual exhaust system, which I don't think
45:17
was stock on this particular car.
45:19
What am I talking about?
45:20
The 3.2 liter VR six powered Beetle RSI.
45:25
I hope Tanya has not looked at it to see the cost yet.
45:28
Oh, I know the cost.
45:30
So why don't we refresh people and what that cost is.
45:33
What do we think this should cost?
45:36
What would you be willing to pay for a Beatle RSI?
45:39
And please note that in the picture, there's a black magic R 32 behind it.
45:45
It's your old black magic R. That's probably where it ended up.
45:47
Yeah, it was sent to Japan.
45:49
Don't even get me started.
45:50
All right, Tanya, what would you pay for an RSI Beetle?
45:53
What would I pay?
45:55
That's a very good question.
45:57
Don't let it weigh you down.
45:58
Like other purchases weigh you down.
45:59
Just be like, I would pay if I had a million dollars and
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I don't care, I would pay.
46:04
Blah.
46:05
What would you pay?
46:05
Well, if I had a million dollars and I didn't care,
46:07
then I could just buy this one.
46:09
Okay.
46:09
But I'm just saying like, I'm trying to alleviate the pressure where you're
46:14
like, oh, I don't wanna pay too much and I don't wanna, I don't wanna
46:16
underpay just like, put out a number.
46:18
Like what do you think this car is worth to you?
46:20
$30,000. 30. Wow.
46:22
You're so cheap.
46:24
I know.
46:24
That's why I was like, hesitating.
46:26
I was to say 50.
46:28
I was, I, I was in the 50 to 60 range.
46:30
Yeah.
46:30
'cause these are super rare, considered maybe 45.
46:34
Oh my god.
46:36
So cheap.
46:37
Okay.
46:38
We do all these things to it, and then there's still that steering
46:41
wheel, but it's entirely stock.
46:44
It's allegedly stocked.
46:45
That Remus exhaust did not come from Volkswagen.
46:47
I'm just pointing out allegedly stock.
46:49
Did they come with orange Recaro bucket seats?
46:52
I don't remember what the RSIs came with.
46:55
Those are heinous though.
46:57
But yes, it still has like the factory stupid steering wheel that
47:00
was in your, that's in your beetle.
47:02
Those are the seats I need in my car.
47:04
I mean, maybe they came like this, we wouldn't know.
47:06
They didn't sell 'em here.
47:07
No they did not.
47:08
Would I pay $160,000 for it?
47:12
No.
47:13
If I had a million dollars, then well see.
47:15
If I won the lottery, I would buy you this.
47:17
I wouldn't have told you that I bought it for you.
47:19
I would just have it delivered to your house and then I wouldn't
47:22
give you the keys for a while.
47:23
Just like tease you that.
47:25
It's like sitting in your driveway.
47:27
These are super cool.
47:30
I mean, I would want one, it's really a shame.
47:32
Nobody created an authentic body kit where you could build one, granted be front
47:38
wheel drive, or if you want to do all the work to the drive train to put the all
47:41
wheel drive in there, it's not a big deal.
47:43
You get it from a tt.
47:44
I was just about to say like what would be more expensive buying this
47:47
car at 160 or building one yourself?
47:50
Buying this car for 160?
47:52
Yeah, it's probably cheaper to build one.
47:54
I don't know that you could build it exactly like this one.
47:58
Well, there was that one that we saw.
47:59
It was the HPA one that sold on bring a trailer and that was under a hundred
48:04
thousand so that you would've had money to spare and they did build one.
48:08
I mean, I really also don't like this interior.
48:10
If that's actually how it came, it would've been cool if it was blue.
48:14
Did they ever, did they come in any other color other than silver?
48:16
No, I think I've only seen them in silver.
48:17
I don't only ever seen them silver.
48:19
Yeah.
48:19
The racing ones came in all sorts of funky colors, orange and blue, and like all the,
48:24
the Beetle Cup series ones that they used.
48:26
So what I would buy for going down a rabbit hole here, I would save my 160,000
48:32
from this and I would buy that Volkswagen, GTI that I think it was oh 34 built that
48:39
had a 2.7 twin turbo V six in the back.
48:43
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
48:45
That car was.
48:47
Maze balls.
48:48
I would buy that.
48:49
It was, it sold, you know, a few years ago or several years ago.
48:52
I can't remember what it sold for, but that car was awesome.
48:55
They put a lot of time and customization into that.
48:57
I have to go back for a second before we move on to this 3 56 thing, because the
49:01
comments of some things are so funny.
49:04
The amount of people that don't understand this car and why
49:06
it is so expensive is insane.
49:08
You are insane.
49:12
I understand what this car is because I have the front wheel drive
49:15
version of it without the VR six.
49:18
This is the same.
49:19
Same but different thing.
49:21
I mean, yes, it's badass.
49:23
And had they only sold these here, you still wouldn't be able to afford it.
49:28
End of the day it's, it's 25-year-old beetle.
49:31
Yeah, I mean, so instead, let's talk about 65-year-old beetle.
49:37
Let's talk about three pieces.
49:38
There you go.
49:39
Let's back off of this $160,000 number.
49:42
Let's say you had $160,000 to spend.
49:45
Would you spend it on an RSI Beetle?
49:49
No.
49:49
Or would you buy a 3 56?
49:52
Because that's what Manny from PCA longtime friend of the show
49:56
is basically espousing in his latest blog post on pca.org.
50:00
Oh, no, I would, I was gonna say I was gonna buy A A MG Mercedes gt.
50:06
I was just about to say, you wanna say A-M-G-G-T?
50:09
Yes.
50:09
But if we're comparing beetle shaped vehicles Oh.
50:13
I didn't know that that was a boundary to the conversation.
50:16
It is now.
50:18
Tanya would buy 16 Turbo butyl.
50:21
They make one good one out of all 16.
50:24
Alright, so getting back to it, would you spend 160,000 on RSI?
50:28
We already know you'd buy Mercedes, which is more akin to the 9 28 or 3 56
50:33
because I've said for a long time the 3 56 market is ripe for the picking because
50:38
there's too many people sacrificing nine elevens to go build singers.
50:42
Or they're holding onto their nine elevens and they've gone through the roof and
50:45
these 3 56 s are left behind unloved.
50:48
Would I buy that for $160,000?
50:52
Or the Beetle for $160,000?
50:54
3 56. Not a Beetle Say what?
50:59
3 56? Not a beetle.
51:01
No, no, no.
51:01
I thought you said the choice.
51:03
The question is, would I buy this RSI for $160,000 or this 3 56 for the
51:07
same money and 3 56 might cost less.
51:10
I mean, you're getting a classic Porsche for less than that Beetle.
51:14
And after I've spanked it off the line, hey, now they make 75 horsepower.
51:20
Okay.
51:20
I mean, I would have, I would buy the RSI.
51:24
I think I would love to have a 3 56 like I've read this
51:27
article, and Manny is not wrong.
51:29
These cars are gonna have a second coming.
51:33
They're gonna have a whole new fellowship and a whole new following.
51:36
I think they're the place that if you're looking to buy a Porsche,
51:39
especially an air cold Porsche.
51:41
You should invest your money in 3 56 s. How much is a 3 56 running right now?
51:47
He doesn't mention it in the article.
51:50
Newtown Square, wherever that is, has a used 77,000 mile 1962
51:54
Porsche 3 56 BT six 1600 Super for the low low price of 229 9 9 5.
52:00
Is that all?
52:02
You could also get a 1959 Porsche 3 56 used with 4,000 miles on eBay for $80,000.
52:08
So the pendulum swings pretty far there.
52:11
Brad.
52:11
Ooh, here you go.
52:13
A one scale, one Porsche, 3 56 speedster wooden display model.
52:20
Ah, Uhhuh.
52:22
If you want to go the Morgan route, Uhhuh is, uh.
52:26
Sold for 15,000.
52:27
Okay.
52:28
This is a nice clean 1 56 speed.
52:32
Well, it's a speedster replica.
52:34
I'd take a replica.
52:36
44 9. That's not bad.
52:38
That's not bad.
52:39
45,000 for a classic Porsche.
52:43
That is not bad.
52:44
That is not bad.
52:45
However, dollar for dollar.
52:48
I mean, that would be, well, here you go.
52:51
Porsche 3 56, speedster styled, go-kart.
52:54
Oh, stop.
52:55
Stop.
52:56
80, 80, $200. Uh, it's another replica.
53:00
You could get a 3 56, a replica for 35 9.
53:04
I am good with replicas too.
53:05
In the great state of Michigan.
53:07
Are the replicas just built on beetles?
53:09
Yes.
53:10
Okay.
53:10
Just like the Beck Spiders and all those other things out there.
53:13
Well, all right.
53:14
Well, I haven't convinced you to buy a 3 56.
53:16
Well, maybe I can convince you to buy this uncool wall nominee.
53:21
It's been a minute.
53:22
I found one.
53:26
The fudge is this.
53:28
This is a Homebrew Chevy Trailblazer convertible, and as the headline
53:34
reads, it is the mullet of cars.
53:36
Dang.
53:37
It is business in the front, already in the back for sale at a
53:40
Nissan dealership of all places.
53:43
Somebody traded this in or across Cabrio Lake.
53:49
You were gonna say Ultima?
53:50
I was, but I I beat you.
53:52
No.
53:52
A, a Murano Cross.
53:54
Cabrio Lake.
53:54
They were like, you know what?
53:56
This one is it, but that one?
53:57
Yeah.
53:58
What was wrong with this trailblazer?
54:00
That somebody said, you know what, we gotta cut the roof
54:03
off and make it a convertible.
54:04
They're friends with Daniel.
54:05
Well, we'll get to one of those in a minute.
54:08
Don't stray too far from that thought.
54:10
But here's what gets me, right?
54:11
So the structural rigidity of a trailblazer is, uh, partially where
54:16
the doors, well in its roof structure 'cause it's built like a box.
54:20
So how much does this flex when it goes down the road, you're
54:25
assuming it goes down the road.
54:26
Well that's true too.
54:28
But more importantly, if you were gonna spend the time and the money
54:32
to do this, why not just buy an SSR?
54:35
Because then it doesn't run on that sweet, sweet straight six.
54:39
Yeah, right.
54:39
It's not even an ss it's not even a V eight in this.
54:43
This is terrible.
54:44
Yeah, it's got that 4.2 liter in line six mm You can feel those 275 ponies.
54:52
Yeah, but look how much less it weighs now that it has no glass.
54:55
Sure.
54:56
Actually someone even put in here small, like they mentioned the SSR in here.
55:00
So that's what I'm saying, man, that's ugh.
55:02
The fakes people do is absolutely just incredible.
55:06
So yeah, this one's going up on the uncool wall so you can vote on it
55:09
with like 90 other cars that are on the uncool wall at this point.
55:14
Well, speaking of things that are uncool, we would be remiss if we
55:19
didn't look at this picture of Elon.
55:23
Look at this picture of Elon.
55:24
What a nerd this was back in the early days of the Roadster, and the
55:27
reason I bring this up is the Roadster is back in the conversation again.
55:32
How are the profits up?
55:33
I don't know.
55:34
There's tons of cyber trucks sitting around on lots being unsold.
55:38
Mm. Maybe selling more carbon credits.
55:39
Again, the reason I bring this up, and again, it has been in multiple feeds and
55:43
uh, you know, some new renderings of the Roadster and whatnot, all AI generated.
55:48
But Musk is quoted as saying the Roadster will be Tesla's last manually driven car.
55:54
He also claims Tesla's aspirational goal of building the last.
55:59
Best driver's car.
56:01
I think Porsche's got something to say about that.
56:03
This is a non story Moving on.
56:05
Complete clickbait.
56:06
I mean the Roadster is never gonna happen.
56:08
We've been talking about the Roadster since 2017.
56:12
Like it predates the show.
56:14
They've been teasing with the lasers and the this and the that,
56:18
and it's gonna do zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds with the dual cannons.
56:22
And Bobby Parks came on talking about it's gonna be the next hit.
56:25
Dragster, blah, blah.
56:26
I mean, it is the biggest vaporware smoke and mirrors car ever.
56:31
And we thought the cyber truck was gonna be like that too.
56:34
Like they were never gonna make it.
56:35
And then they finally made that.
56:37
So maybe, maybe this just, we haven't waited long enough.
56:41
Right?
56:41
2027 will be 10 years that we've been talking about the delayed
56:46
production of the Tesla Roadster.
56:48
Alright, so question time.
56:51
Oh boy.
56:51
What happens first?
56:53
The Tesla Roadster goes into production, or Volkswagen writes the ship.
56:59
Oh, dude.
57:01
I don't know if that can be answered.
57:02
That might be like the secret of the universe.
57:05
I don't know that we can answer that question.
57:07
That's wow, that that dude, I'm having a, uh, existential crisis
57:11
now trying to solve that problem.
57:13
It's like that meme with the woman in the middle of the screen
57:15
with all the math equations going around her head and everything.
57:18
It's exactly what's going on in your head right now.
57:20
Pretty much.
57:21
Pretty much.
57:26
Well, let's move to the segment that has changed more times than you've
57:29
changed your socks this month.
57:31
Let's go to seriously, what could go wrong where we get to ask Tanya the same
57:35
question we've asked her for six months.
57:37
Have you watched the F1 movie?
57:39
Well, what, before you answer that, our listeners will have to tune in
57:45
for the next Formula Fanatics episode.
57:47
We will answer that question.
57:49
So let's put a pin in.
57:50
For a moment.
57:54
How do you keep an idiot in suspense?
57:56
I'll tell you tomorrow,
58:00
but seriously though, what could go wrong?
58:03
This one came across my desk also from the Society of Automotive Historians,
58:07
so I'm just gonna sort of read this in.
58:09
In summary, there's a TV journalist based in New York that is currently
58:12
developing a documentary on a sport from the early 19 hundreds known as.
58:19
Auto polo.
58:21
Ooh, it is a wonderfully chaotic motorsport.
58:24
The tour through Madison Square Garden and Coney Island in the 1910s and twenties
58:28
before repair bills finally killed it.
58:32
Take a look at, this is the craziest thing I have ever seen.
58:36
It reminds me of the auto football that top gear played, but mental
58:42
with more, more car around.
58:43
No, this is like the other thing.
58:45
The chariots with the motorcycles where it's like you have the motorcycles in
58:49
front and you're doing like chariots of fire, but look at some of these wrecks.
58:53
These guys are being ejected, but then there's also, what do you wanna call him?
58:57
The mechanic, like he's leaning out over the car while the other car's going by.
59:01
They've got these clubs in their hand trying to hit the ball.
59:04
Well, those are the polo clubs.
59:05
This is like a top gear episode.
59:07
This is where they got it from.
59:08
Look at the one as you get down maybe three quarters away, where the guy
59:12
is leaning out the rear passenger.
59:14
He has what looks like, I don't know, a snowshoe and
59:17
he's hitting an oversized ball.
59:19
You see this?
59:20
This is the most buck wild thing I've ever seen.
59:23
It looks like a Morgan Wonder how people died doing this.
59:25
There's so many death in Motorsport because of this stuff.
59:30
Like this is why not Formula One.
59:34
It's this.
59:35
How many rollovers?
59:36
Absolutely insane.
59:38
That was Darwinism.
59:39
They thought it was fun.
59:41
You say it's Darwinism.
59:42
This is sport.
59:44
This is also the meme where it's like, this is why men don't live long.
59:48
God bless.
59:50
Absolutely dumb ways to die.
59:53
Well, finally, Brad, you sort of buried the lead earlier
59:56
talking about mountain man.
59:58
Dan, going back to our sort of showcase, this gentleman has
1:00:02
solved the world's gas problem.
1:00:04
He built a square body Chevy that runs on would
1:00:16
look at this thing.
1:00:19
I'm gonna say that again.
1:00:20
It runs on wood.
1:00:23
Brad, your face says it all,
1:00:27
but it says that it's covered 60,000 miles.
1:00:30
That's impressive.
1:00:31
That was be before the wood.
1:00:36
It took 20 years to build this thing.
1:00:39
It was built for enjoyment, not as an energy solution.
1:00:43
I'm gonna say bull.
1:00:44
I've heard Dan talk about his hydroelectric plant based off of creek.
1:00:49
This is pure trying to beat the man, beat the system, and not pay the gas bills.
1:00:56
The V eight pulls as if it runs on gasoline.
1:01:00
'cause the best part, it takes five to 10 minutes to get started up.
1:01:09
Probably makes a mean wood fire pizza.
1:01:12
Oh my God.
1:01:13
It also takes 81 pounds of wood to go 60 miles.
1:01:17
Yes.
1:01:17
That's a lot of wood.
1:01:18
And I love how the article says it's a small inconvenience so it can go
1:01:23
60 miles on 81 pounds of wood, but you have to feed it every 43 miles.
1:01:30
So you can't even do the whole 60 miles.
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'cause you have to keep the fire going.
1:01:37
But I could get to work.
1:01:38
On one wood fill.
1:01:40
That's when you get your brother Darrell and your other brother Darrell
1:01:43
up there feeding it and stoking it as you're driving down the road.
1:01:47
Oh, we have to stay tuned because there's going to be a video later to
1:01:52
document this Chevy's participation in a one mile speed event.
1:01:57
Is this whistling diesel.
1:01:59
This is some mountain man engineering right here.
1:02:02
This, this is Daniel looking around his property thinking, you know what?
1:02:07
I got a lot of, I got a lot of wood up here.
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How am I gonna get rid all this wood?
1:02:14
I got a lot of wood and a lot of cars.
1:02:18
Hmm.
1:02:18
But then you gotta burn different woods, right?
1:02:20
I wonder if cherry wood gets you a couple extra miles versus,
1:02:23
you know, burning an oak.
1:02:25
Let's think about this.
1:02:26
He's got the cover on.
1:02:28
Well, no, he doesn't have a cover on the back.
1:02:30
So you got the bed of the truck, so that's good.
1:02:33
'cause you can carry all your fuel in the bed of the truck.
1:02:37
Then when you pull over, you put it in the pot, burn it.
1:02:40
I guess you can't use this in the rain
1:02:46
because last I checked, what wood doesn't burn very well.
1:02:50
You know, engines don't burn water either.
1:02:52
Seeing this gives me a really good idea.
1:02:54
So we take this idea, but we refine it.
1:02:57
Instead of wood, we burn like a liquid or something that
1:03:01
like burns really efficiently.
1:03:03
Oh.
1:03:03
Instead of storing it in the bed of the truck, we put it in a tank
1:03:08
and we, we burn it that way and it gets pumped through the tank.
1:03:13
We can call it fuel.
1:03:13
Well hold on a second.
1:03:14
And you use a fuel pump to get it outta the tank.
1:03:18
That's some Star Trek stuff, man.
1:03:21
That is, no, you know what would be interesting?
1:03:24
We need to do the math on the price of a quart of wood equivalency.
1:03:30
The quart of wood per gallon to fuel per gas.
1:03:32
Like is this really, it's more expensive.
1:03:36
Of course.
1:03:37
It's like $600 a cord.
1:03:39
How much gas are you buying?
1:03:41
Would it be more powerful and more efficient if you douse the
1:03:45
wood and like lighter fluid?
1:03:46
No, it would burn faster.
1:03:48
So here's the other problem, okay.
1:03:50
To make those wood chips, he's gotta burn diesel to run his chipper at $6
1:03:55
a gallon to make fuel for the truck.
1:03:57
It doesn't work.
1:03:58
He's using coal.
1:04:01
It just.
1:04:03
See you read my mind because that's the next logical conclusion
1:04:06
to Tanya's problem, which is because the wood chips get wet.
1:04:10
Well, why don't I use the wood chips in a device where I can use
1:04:14
it to heat something else and maybe make, oh, I don't know, steam.
1:04:19
Steam Powers next watch.
1:04:21
Revolutionary idea.
1:04:23
We have gone full circle.
1:04:25
The internet still gives me hope.
1:04:27
It's stuff like this.
1:04:28
For what?
1:04:29
That I can find something actually entertaining.
1:04:32
So you tell me, this guy's in Florida.
1:04:34
No.
1:04:35
You know what it's said?
1:04:36
It was a finish.
1:04:37
A Finnish Chevy truck.
1:04:39
So do they mean like this is in Finland?
1:04:42
Yeah, it has a European license plate.
1:04:44
I just noticed that.
1:04:44
It's got the long, skinny one.
1:04:46
There you go.
1:04:47
I love that giant radiator.
1:04:48
What is Daniel in Finnish?
1:04:50
We need to convert his name.
1:04:51
I think Daniel is universal.
1:04:53
Oh, okay.
1:04:54
He's not a Bjorn.
1:04:55
He's.
1:04:57
All right, if that wasn't enough, let's move on to rich people things.
1:05:04
This is the, the opposite of rich people things.
1:05:08
Well, I have just an announcement more than anything else, not anything to
1:05:11
share on the rich people thing side.
1:05:13
I just want to invite everybody to come join us July 10th through the
1:05:17
12th in South Bend, Indiana for the Automotive History Live conference.
1:05:23
That'll be in conjunction with the concourses at kol, which
1:05:27
is operated and sponsored by the Studebaker National Museum.
1:05:30
So you get to meet folks from Studebaker, the Society of Automotive Historians, as
1:05:34
well as Don from Garage Style Magazine, and you'll see William Big Money Ross,
1:05:39
John Summers, the motoring historian, and yours truly on stage giving a
1:05:44
presentation about the Bianco Spial.
1:05:46
So if you haven't listened to those podcast episodes,
1:05:48
go back and jump in on those.
1:05:49
But if you can't make it to South Bend for that week in July, that's okay.
1:05:54
We'll be live streaming the event.
1:05:55
From our Twitch feed on Twitch tv, grand Touring Motorsports.
1:05:59
So more details to come.
1:06:01
So stay tuned to the drive-through and our digital magazine for those updates.
1:06:06
And don't forget, if you're looking for that extra special automobile to
1:06:09
complete your garage office den or mancave, be sure to check out garage
1:06:13
style magazine.com for a list of upcoming auctions and events, along with a curated
1:06:17
list of items going up for sale all over the country, because after all,
1:06:21
what doesn't belong in your garage.
1:06:24
Thanks for that, Brad.
1:06:25
And now we'll switch gears and talk about are you faster than an interceptor?
1:06:44
This is a real concern.
1:06:45
I've seen multiple posts about this.
1:06:47
I don't know how many of 'em are real, but this one came from life in Florida.
1:06:51
They're gonna start using drones to catch speeders on the highway.
1:06:54
I mean, that sucks.
1:06:56
Right.
1:06:56
There's always those signs on the road that say, enforced by air or
1:07:01
something, and it's like, what?
1:07:02
Really?
1:07:03
Like Yeah.
1:07:04
Yeah.
1:07:04
Speed checked by aircraft or whatever it is.
1:07:06
Yeah.
1:07:07
What plane is flying overhead or helicopter clocking someone?
1:07:11
Nobody, I've never seen it, but this is actually sadly ingenious.
1:07:17
It is.
1:07:17
But these drones have a short lifespan though.
1:07:19
Especially these quad rotor ones where they, they use a lot of energy.
1:07:22
They're gonna nab somebody, but they're not gonna nab everybody.
1:07:26
You know?
1:07:26
It would probably be better if it ran on wood.
1:07:29
Oh.
1:07:29
Oh geez.
1:07:33
I love that.
1:07:33
It shows, it displays your speed.
1:07:36
It would be really cool if it announced it like in cars three,
1:07:40
ah, where they're on the beach and there's, it's announcing your speed.
1:07:44
It's like, Jarvis, what is my speed?
1:07:45
75 miles an hour, 76 miles an hour, 80 miles an hour, 85 miles an hour.
1:07:50
I don't know like that.
1:07:51
That's definitely an AI generated picture.
1:07:54
But the point is this Skynet police state future that we're creating
1:07:59
for ourselves, it's scary, right?
1:08:01
I mean, it takes all the joy out of driving, and I'm not saying that you
1:08:04
should be out there breaking the law and, and speeding and stuff like that.
1:08:08
I mean, it takes the fun out of cops and robbers I guess a little bit.
1:08:11
You know, are you faster than an interceptor at its core?
1:08:13
But drones, that's a scary post-apocalyptic future that
1:08:17
we're talking about there.
1:08:18
It's the future, unfortunately.
1:08:21
So I don't like it.
1:08:23
But you know what, unfortunately we're all gonna have to get
1:08:26
used to this kind of stuff.
1:08:28
Uh, but you know, the side effect is gonna be in Florida, the reports are gonna be
1:08:32
drunken man with alligator and passenger seat shoots down drone with 30 cal Cannon.
1:08:38
You know what I mean?
1:08:38
Like it's gonna be like skeet shooting.
1:08:40
It'll be the next great sport is to get out in your wood powered square body and
1:08:45
shoot down drones at 70 miles an hour.
1:08:47
That'll be the plus side to this.
1:08:51
It's gonna happen wherever there is drone, there is counter drone.
1:08:55
That is a real situation.
1:08:57
I thought it'd be something like Florida man dies trying
1:09:00
to ride drone like Rodeo Bull.
1:09:02
That's another good one.
1:09:03
And I guarantee that's gonna happen too.
1:09:05
Yeah.
1:09:07
This next one is another sort of sad story, and this is, I hate to say
1:09:12
shame on you, Jake, from State Farm.
1:09:15
Shame on you, limu, emu, and Doug.
1:09:17
A fleeing suspect totals a New York woman's car and her insurance
1:09:21
company isn't gonna pay out, is it?
1:09:24
Shame on Jake from State Farm or limu IMO and Doug because she
1:09:28
did not have collision insurance.
1:09:30
This is a freak accident.
1:09:31
This is like when the frozen boulder of poo lands on your car from the airline.
1:09:36
Like that's the same thing.
1:09:37
Like, come on.
1:09:38
That's not her fault.
1:09:40
It's not her fault.
1:09:41
Is that a collision?
1:09:42
She didn't collide with anybody?
1:09:43
No, but she only has personal injury liability on the car.
1:09:47
So if the insurance company does not want to be gracious.
1:09:50
They're within their legal rights to say, too bad, so sad.
1:09:53
No persons were injured in this.
1:09:55
You did not pay for collision insurance on the car.
1:09:57
Therefore there's no coverage.
1:09:59
I got tetanus just looking at this car, personal injury, pay out.
1:10:04
It's like, where are you going with that?
1:10:08
No.
1:10:09
Her next step is to go after the state.
1:10:11
It, it is unfortunate.
1:10:13
I mean, the insurance company, they'd have to be gracious
1:10:16
and not an insurance company.
1:10:18
It's a scam.
1:10:19
You pay all this money into the system and when you need it, they're like, nah, nah.
1:10:24
But she wasn't paying enough.
1:10:26
I'm sure she paid enough to get a new car.
1:10:29
Well, yeah, but based on the pricing of whatever her insurance
1:10:32
company was, she didn't pay enough.
1:10:34
I mean, it's an Impala after all.
1:10:36
Yeah, but if she, like everybody's saying, if she didn't have collision,
1:10:40
I don't know that collision counts in this particular instance.
1:10:43
It does.
1:10:44
If nothing else, this is gonna get tied up in court.
1:10:47
So somebody's gonna buying her a new car at some point.
1:10:50
So Eric, I see your point.
1:10:51
Her insurance company should not be liable for this, but the other person's insurance
1:10:55
company should through their liability insurance or the police or whoever.
1:11:00
Yeah.
1:11:01
So because this is not her fault, but if they haven't found the
1:11:05
person who did it, there's no other insurance company to, yeah.
1:11:10
Call or if the other person didn't have insurance, she needs to
1:11:14
get a lawyer and see the state.
1:11:15
And on top of that, you can literally tell from the pictures.
1:11:18
You don't have to be a crime scene investigator.
1:11:20
We don't need to call Grissom for this one.
1:11:23
You can tell that was not an accident created by something hit this vehicle
1:11:27
because you cannot do that on the road.
1:11:29
There's no way.
1:11:29
I bet it was an Ultima.
1:11:30
Of course it was.
1:11:31
And it kept going 'cause it's here for all of it.
1:11:33
The only thing she could do is sue the person for, I don't even know.
1:11:37
Does it count property damage?
1:11:38
Personal property damage something?
1:11:40
I mean, that's like squeezing blood out of a turnip.
1:11:43
Who else are you gonna sue?
1:11:44
She could sue the police for inciting a chase.
1:11:47
Ooh.
1:11:47
Interesting.
1:11:48
I wonder if that holds up, whether it holds up or not.
1:11:50
It gives her another option.
1:11:52
I mean, a good lawyer will find a way to make it happen.
1:11:55
And then on top of that, there's the whole garnished weeds thing.
1:11:57
'cause May, this is her only car.
1:11:58
She can't get to work right now.
1:11:59
She's gotta do Uber or whatever it is that she's doing.
1:12:01
Yeah, but she's in New York Public transportation.
1:12:04
Unless she's using the car for work that doesn't hold up.
1:12:06
I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.
1:12:08
She needs to go to the police.
1:12:09
She needs to sue the police.
1:12:10
She's a victim.
1:12:10
She's a victim for sure.
1:12:11
She needs to sue the police to get a new Ultima.
1:12:14
Shame on you.
1:12:14
Jakes from State Farm.
1:12:15
That's all I'm saying.
1:12:17
Oh boy.
1:12:18
Tanya brought us one.
1:12:19
What is this?
1:12:21
That's a funny place to park.
1:12:22
What the, here's a video.
1:12:24
There's Oh shit.
1:12:25
Oh yes.
1:12:26
Wait, what was this?
1:12:27
A publicity stunt?
1:12:29
Supposedly not.
1:12:30
The guy in the Lambo was like backing up.
1:12:33
Oh wow.
1:12:34
Because he saw her coming.
1:12:35
Oh, she that high up that she couldn't see 'em.
1:12:37
That's what the article alleges was she's so lifted and oblivious
1:12:41
that she didn't see the hurricane.
1:12:43
So I will say, having driven these Silverados of this model year,
1:12:49
this body style uhhuh, it is.
1:12:52
One of the reasons I didn't buy it is 'cause it is nearly
1:12:54
impossible to see over the hood.
1:12:56
And you're a tall guy.
1:12:58
She's not very tall.
1:12:59
I'm six four.
1:13:01
Yeah, I know.
1:13:01
I can totally see how this is feasible.
1:13:04
You know, we joke about how the movies are fake.
1:13:06
Like, oh, you could never do it.
1:13:08
Ran right up the front of that Lamborghini like it was a ramp.
1:13:11
I mean, the hood of the truck is like a foot above the roof of the thing.
1:13:17
So the hood, the bottom of the bumper's above the hood of the Lamborghini.
1:13:21
No, no, no.
1:13:21
I'm saying the hood of the truck is above the roof of the Lamborghini.
1:13:24
Oh yeah.
1:13:24
Yeah.
1:13:24
So like her line of sight, especially if she's not paying attention,
1:13:28
you, you can't see that car.
1:13:30
Wow.
1:13:31
You think Jake from State Farm's gonna pay out on that one?
1:13:33
Woo.
1:13:35
That Lambos gonna get totaled.
1:13:37
That's what that's gonna happen to that.
1:13:38
That's a what?
1:13:39
$250,000 car A Huan easily.
1:13:42
Maybe more.
1:13:43
It'll be 1 25 on the salvage market.
1:13:45
Hey man, that motor's still good.
1:13:47
That's all I'm saying.
1:13:49
Well, let's go behind the pit wall.
1:13:51
Talk a little bit about motor sports news.
1:13:53
So there was a small blur this month about nascar, and we talked about
1:13:59
this two years ago in the drive through where they were testing.
1:14:02
An EV version of the NASCARs that we have today.
1:14:06
And they kind of went quiet.
1:14:07
And now NASCAR is considering racing the EVs.
1:14:11
So there's gonna be a NASCAR version of Formula E. Yeah.
1:14:14
Or the next generation of nascar.
1:14:16
I mean, in my mind, they just got rid of carburetors.
1:14:19
So like this is woo ev.
1:14:21
What?
1:14:22
What's it gonna sound like?
1:14:24
It's like a bunch of Dyson vacuum cleaners out on track.
1:14:27
Terrible
1:14:32
as they plateau.
1:14:33
Like, can you imagine on an oval, like has Formula E even tried that?
1:14:38
I mean, they're doing road courses.
1:14:40
Yeah.
1:14:40
It's gonna it, it's gonna make it like 10 laps terrible.
1:14:43
All right, well speaking of terrible, switching over to sports car and endurance
1:14:46
racing Monkey C Monkey Dew in the Formula one world, all I have to say is
1:14:53
GT three racing plus land stroll equal.
1:14:56
Epic fail.
1:14:57
Do I need to say anything else?
1:14:59
Lance Stroll.
1:15:00
GT three racing.
1:15:01
Who keeps telling this guy that he's a good driver?
1:15:04
I just wanna read the stats from the race.
1:15:06
I laughed so hard when I saw this.
1:15:08
The first time he was lapped 12 times four.
1:15:11
Milli one driver was lapped.
1:15:13
12 times.
1:15:14
He had 465 seconds of penalty.
1:15:18
Now, that wasn't all his responsibility for what I read, and he finished 48th.
1:15:23
Oh, how many cars?
1:15:25
47.
1:15:30
Oh my God.
1:15:31
Where was this driving?
1:15:33
An Aston Martin, GT three.
1:15:35
What a clown.
1:15:36
What a buffoon like, do you think he's gonna do more of these?
1:15:39
I saw something and I didn't save it down, whatever.
1:15:43
It was basically saying, you know, land Stroll deserves his seed in F1.
1:15:49
You know, he won the championships leading, you know, whatever championships
1:15:53
he was in leading up to Formula One.
1:15:55
And I'm like, I didn't even read the whole thing.
1:15:57
I'm like, look.
1:15:58
Maybe he deserved his initial seat into Formula One based on
1:16:02
performance leading up to Formula One.
1:16:05
But in no way does he continue to deserve his seat in Formula One.
1:16:08
If his father wasn't the owner of the the Blue Jean Company
1:16:12
of the team, he'd be gone.
1:16:14
He would've been gone already.
1:16:16
Nobody would keep him around.
1:16:17
So at this point, no.
1:16:19
He does not deserve a seat in Formula One.
1:16:21
I didn't know you could get your Formula One racing license by going
1:16:25
to the Lego Traffic School at Legoland
1:16:30
Ron.
1:16:30
Oh, your face.
1:16:35
Lance Stroll, just, I know that's why you watch Formula One, but we'll
1:16:38
talk about that on the other episode.
1:16:40
And since we're talking about sports car and endurance racing, I just
1:16:43
wanna mention that we have scheduled a whole bunch of evening with the legend
1:16:47
throughout the next couple of months.
1:16:49
So if you're interested in being part of the live audience, we have Charles
1:16:53
Mendez coming on April the 29th, followed by the legendary Michael Kaiser in May.
1:17:00
And then Nicholas Bole in June and David Cot, who's famous for running the Red
1:17:05
Lobster racing BM BMW M1 in August.
1:17:08
So check out motoring podcast.net, look under shows, and then evening
1:17:13
with a legend and you can jump on and register to be part of the live audience.
1:17:18
I just do wanna talk about some virtual stuff 'cause that is now part of our
1:17:22
catalog of things that we talk about now.
1:17:24
So they just released a set of course of EVO six or 0.6, the sixth release,
1:17:29
I don't even know what to call it.
1:17:31
They're not even a 1.0 version.
1:17:32
They keep modifying the game.
1:17:34
This brings a bunch of current Gen GT three cars, like nine
1:17:37
elevens and stuff to the table.
1:17:38
It also adds Sebring and two classic supercars.
1:17:42
You get the chance to drive the Kunta and the 2 88 GTO Ferrari.
1:17:46
The big downside to a CC Evo being a evolution.
1:17:51
Every time they change something, they either break something else or they
1:17:55
completely change the way you had it set up and it wipes out all your settings and
1:17:59
you gotta spend the next three hours, like recalibrating everything as I wasted a
1:18:03
whole bunch of time getting it set up so I could try it before talking about it.
1:18:07
Today.
1:18:07
Some of the changes they made to calibration are actually really cool.
1:18:10
They, they're showing you things like pedal output versus what the game
1:18:14
thinks it seems, so you can really calibrate the pedals, which really
1:18:17
help dial in braking and, and launching with the clutch 'cause the clutch
1:18:21
is always an issue and, and getting shifting smoother and stuff like that.
1:18:25
So you're really able to dial in the dead zones and all that kind of stuff.
1:18:28
I will say pedals feel a lot better.
1:18:30
The racing was a lot better.
1:18:31
The F 40 is still a hoot, but it's also garbage to drive 'cause
1:18:35
they made it way too fragile.
1:18:36
So they need to stop making it so lifelike.
1:18:39
It would be nice to be able to finish a race without the transmission
1:18:42
exploding, but it is getting better.
1:18:45
You know, they're making changes, stuff like that.
1:18:46
I'll say I, I had one of my best races going back to
1:18:49
what we talked about earlier.
1:18:50
I hopped in the NSX and it was like, it can go the whole race.
1:18:54
It was super reliable, it was quick and it was fun and it's agile and I
1:18:58
was like, just make 'em more like that.
1:19:00
I will say that they changed the physics model a little bit, which is really cool
1:19:05
because it is more true to life in the sense that if you go into a turn a little
1:19:09
too hot, like the backend steps out in a more realistic way, but you can catch it.
1:19:13
And it's not like Tokyo Drift kind of thing.
1:19:15
Like it feels more like being at the track where you're having a code brown
1:19:18
moment, but you can recover from it.
1:19:20
So I was really, really excited about that change.
1:19:23
So if they stay on that path, that'd be great.
1:19:25
They just need to make the cars a little less fragile.
1:19:28
Now on the other camp, project Motor Racing, that's the other
1:19:31
big one this season, right?
1:19:32
That's based on kind of picking up where project cars two left off.
1:19:36
It's a lot of the developers from that original title.
1:19:39
It got a whole UI facelift.
1:19:41
So when I logged in, I'm like, where?
1:19:42
Yeah, I used to click here to do, I don't know, I either like relearn the whole menu
1:19:46
system and it did get some iconic cars.
1:19:49
One of them is right on the cover of the update.
1:19:51
That's the E 46, M 3G TR, I mean that amazing car.
1:19:55
So you get to play with stuff like that.
1:19:57
And you know, I've been progressing with it since it launched just like a C Evo.
1:20:01
And I still think the TransAm GTO series is the reason I keep playing
1:20:05
that game because TransAm GTO isn't available in anything else right now.
1:20:08
And it is absolutely awesome.
1:20:10
It's my favorite class, hands down.
1:20:13
But I'm glad to see both of these games progressing or both of these sims
1:20:16
progressing versus some other titles have just completely stalled out.
1:20:21
Like I haven't seen an update for EAs, WRC in a while.
1:20:24
There's been a bunch of other stuff that's just completely flatlined,
1:20:27
so who knows what's going on there, but we'll keep tabs on it.
1:20:31
But these are the two big ones for this year if you're just
1:20:33
getting into virtual racing.
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Well, it's time for the GTM Track side report.
1:20:51
So we got a quick update on our unfocused performance lemons project.
1:20:56
We got new motor mounts, we got a new clutch because we figured it's probably
1:21:00
be smart to not be on the side of the track, 20 minutes in with the unknown
1:21:04
history and 237,000 miles on the engine.
1:21:08
Might as well do the clutch and make sure that at least we
1:21:10
can go more than 20 minutes.
1:21:11
So that's done.
1:21:12
We have yet to do the brakes and we still need tires.
1:21:16
And we haven't decorated the car yet.
1:21:18
So if anybody's looking to help us out there and if you're look, and if
1:21:21
you can't, you know, a couple bucks would be nice too because all this
1:21:25
stuff's getting expensive really fast.
1:21:27
So our first event was supposed to be mid Ohio, like we talked about in
1:21:31
the last drive through, but we pushed it off to June 5th through seventh
1:21:35
weekend at New Jersey Motorsport Park, that's the hoop de at New Jersey.
1:21:40
So we're looking forward to getting the focus out there and doing our first laps.
1:21:43
We have some commitments from some drivers, so that's gonna be good.
1:21:47
And hopefully the car will be done in time and hopefully fully decorated.
1:21:50
But again, if you are in the area, you wanna come and meet
1:21:52
us, you wanna come and hang out.
1:21:53
The paddock is always open.
1:21:55
It is free to spectate at lemons events, if I remember correctly.
1:21:59
Don't quote me on that, but it is a spectacle.
1:22:01
It is worth checking out.
1:22:02
There's always a crowd.
1:22:03
The cars are really, really interesting and you know, when you start a
1:22:07
hundred plus cars in a two and a half mile track, it is absolute chaos.
1:22:11
So we are looking forward to that for sure.
1:22:13
Brad, are you excited?
1:22:14
Uh, I am, I'm not gonna be able to make it to the race, but I'm
1:22:17
excited for the lemons race.
1:22:18
I will be able to make it to.
1:22:20
But you got your Santa Claus suit now.
1:22:21
You bought a driving suit and everything?
1:22:23
I did, I did, but unfortunately I've got other prior commitments that weekend.
1:22:28
Aw, so you're gonna race in October at some point, right?
1:22:31
I'm definitely gonna be there for that.
1:22:33
Uh, I'm trying to figure out another time to get there.
1:22:36
To get out in the car and get some sea time before that event as well.
1:22:39
So I am hoping, crossing my fingers, they had planned this year, New
1:22:44
Jersey Summit Point and then they added Road Atlanta to the schedule.
1:22:47
I really wanna get to Road Atlanta that's in December, so we gotta wait till all
1:22:50
the way to the end of the year, which would be a great way to recap and look
1:22:54
back over all the progress we made.
1:22:55
Maybe we can squeeze in another race here and there.
1:22:58
But yeah, super looking forward to at least the three races that
1:23:01
we've committed to for the year.
1:23:02
Just gotta get the car done, get everything prioritized and buttoned
1:23:05
up and all that kind of thing and still working on a design.
1:23:08
Right?
1:23:08
Tanya?
1:23:09
Thought we were done.
1:23:10
We well, are we?
1:23:11
But we're unfocused, which means we are not committed quite yet.
1:23:15
That's why the design is blurry.
1:23:16
Uh, is that what it is?
1:23:17
Oh, I thought it was my eyes.
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Was a Is your microphone working?
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Who me?
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Oh, there it goes.
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I didn't say anything.
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Oh, I thought you did.
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No, I get myself into trouble every time I say something.
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Mm. Only on this show.
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Only anytime I talk.
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Sorry.
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I was dealing with a spider.
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Of course.
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It's like that other episode in a dark space.
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A quiet space.
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A quiet place.
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A quiet place.
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Yeah.
1:25:14
That's what I was getting to.
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Yeah.
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That's a whole movie like that isn't there?
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Where there's like no talking Three eyes.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to be in the quiet place.
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No.
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Did you guys hear that?
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There's a podcast where there's like no sound.
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You just tune in and it's just nothing
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That's really dumb for a moment there.
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I thought we, that sound like the Yulong channel and Christmas.
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I think so.
1:25:40
You know what I mean?
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I, I don't know that I could go more than, I don't know, 30 seconds
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