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Lewis Capaldi _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _597(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: I've got some new tour dates that I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: about here. I'll be in Winnipeg, Canada, Los Angeles, California, Anaheim, Oceanside,
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  Speaker 1: and Calgary, Canada. That is the end of that tour.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to take some time off to take care
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  Speaker 1: of myself, and so I'm looking forward to that. You
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  Speaker 1: can get tickets at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. Thank you guys
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  Speaker 1: so much for the support, and I look forward to
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  Speaker 1: seeing you guys soon. Today's guest is a singer-songwriter out
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  Speaker 1: of Scotland. He just made a triumphant return to Glastonbury
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  Speaker 1: after taking some time off to focus on himself. He
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  Speaker 1: has a new song called Survive, which is out now
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  Speaker 1: streaming everywhere. I'm grateful for today's guest. He's a class lad, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Lewis Capaldi. Shine on me And I will.
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  Speaker 2: Follow I feel like I'm in the thing. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is it. I feel like I've stepped through the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Class. Class.
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  Speaker 1: Class, lads. Yeah, it's hard to understand. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to understand the Scottish sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say it's the hardest.
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  Speaker 3: Because we've not got the international identity that Irish people have. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: So everyone kind of knows the Irish accent, but I
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  Speaker 3: feel like Scotland is like Ireland's sort of like ugly
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  Speaker 3: little sister. No one really like, do you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? People, we don't have that sort of like
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  Speaker 3: international thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ireland has that thing like the, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: have like the leprechaun or whatever. Do you guys have
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  Speaker 1: a version of the leprechaun?
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  Speaker 3: I guess like William Wallace is like the only.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's a powerful leprechaun then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, big man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Big man thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder who the Irish version of the leprechaun,
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  Speaker 1: just like a regular guy that needs help probably. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like a guy that just like, it can't get
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  Speaker 1: his grandmother on the phone or something. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, good to see you today, man.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you too, man. It's awesome. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for having us.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for all the beautiful music, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. No, yeah, that's what I do. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for all the laughs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we're even. It's cool how something can cross to
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  Speaker 1: a total different... culture I mean that's kind of fascinating
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  Speaker 1: you know that I could go to Scotland and have
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  Speaker 1: people come see a show and that you could come
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  Speaker 1: here and have people yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Man it's wild especially because I don't think you ever
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  Speaker 3: well I don't know about you but like I never
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  Speaker 3: get into this thinking about like I never assumed that
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  Speaker 3: I would be in America doing things like this or
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  Speaker 3: like people would come see shows or anything like that
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  Speaker 3: so yeah it's mad it's just like it always feels
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  Speaker 3: like a bit of a blessing yeah coming over here
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  Speaker 3: and doing this in.
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  Speaker 1: A dream sometimes it feels like I think Or I don't,
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  Speaker 1: does it ever feel to you like you're living in
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  Speaker 1: a dream kind of in a weird way?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think, especially like I took two
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  Speaker 3: years off there and like, I was sort of loving
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  Speaker 3: this sort of mundane day to day life. But it
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  Speaker 3: was just, so it was weird now being back in
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  Speaker 3: it all, sort of the last few weeks has been
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a mad, yeah, it feels out of
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  Speaker 3: body and a bit strange, but I'm loving it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's great, it's the best.
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  Speaker 1: And you did, did you do Good Morning America?
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  Speaker 3: I did just this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah. I've been up since four.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's early. That's early, but kind of jet lagged,
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  Speaker 3: so it kind of played into my hand.
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  Speaker 1: It evens out maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should call
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  Speaker 1: it goodbye, America. I feel like we're fucking... What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're about to get on a boat and come back.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the port?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there I am.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that was you today.
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  Speaker 2: That's literally me earlier on wearing a nice green jacket.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's beautiful. And who's the ginger there on the.
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  Speaker 2: That's my piano player, Aiden.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, Aiden. Aiden.
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  Speaker 2: He has ginger. He's very ginger.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good. We've classified him then, yeah. No, but he's
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  Speaker 1: a good man. It's like the scarlet letter of haircuts.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like being a ginger, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: He's maybe the most redheaded guy I've ever met. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And is he a Scotsman? He is a Scotsman. They're
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  Speaker 2: all Scots. Well, their drummer, my drummer is a very
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  Speaker 2: posh English man named Freddie.
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  Speaker 5: Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. But it's quite, it was
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  Speaker 2: a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: We looked for a drummer for a long time and
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  Speaker 3: he was like, we kind of went through, it was
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  Speaker 3: like speed dating, went through a lot of different drummers
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  Speaker 3: and it was like this really posh English guy that
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  Speaker 3: fit in with these Sort of normal Scottish man. So
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  Speaker 3: it's been lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there he is.
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  Speaker 3: That's Freddie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there he is.
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  Speaker 2: This is well good how quick you guys are.
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  Speaker 1: And he's doing well.
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  Speaker 2: Look at him. Yeah, he's doing very well.
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  Speaker 3: Just had a little child, a little baby.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Well, about a year ago now. So she's... Yeah, she's nice.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she's fine. I mean, I don't know. As
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  Speaker 3: babies go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as babies go. She doesn't say much.
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  Speaker 1: She emails late at night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets on that laptop.
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  Speaker 1: She'll occasionally rattle off.
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  Speaker 2: She'll fire off a few emails.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I've been to Scotland before. We did Glasgow
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  Speaker 1: and did a show over there.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: How did you find it?
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  Speaker 1: It was quite... It reminded me a bit of like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people... like day labor, like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like contractor type of people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Proper, like working class.
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  Speaker 1: Working class.
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  Speaker 2: Blue collar.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Over here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Down and dirty.
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  Speaker 1: Or like a dark blue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, navy. Navy almost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, guys, some of them,
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  Speaker 1: they would, you know, one of them would talk and
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  Speaker 1: one of them would whistle, just like a unique... you
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  Speaker 1: know like one guy you had to tickle him to
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  Speaker 1: get the truth out of him you know just a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like special just unique folks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah it's a it's a great place i love
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  Speaker 3: glasgow i don't like i kind of split my time
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  Speaker 3: now between glasgow and london but uh yeah i always
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  Speaker 3: miss it when i go yeah it's just a different
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  Speaker 3: sort of um yeah different type of person that you
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  Speaker 3: get maybe than and the londons and oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah dude they're a bit more refined there they're a
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  Speaker 1: bit more like uh kind of like you see like
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  Speaker 1: those nutcrackers at Christmas and they're all like polished and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have like a nice head and like
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  Speaker 1: a little thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like your Cat Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are a bit more Cat Williams
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  Speaker 1: over there in London. And then you get to Scotland
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  Speaker 1: and it's just some guy fucking licking a pitchfork, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just hoping for the best. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that shit, man. It's fucking, it's pretty special.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a great place. Glasgow being there. But
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  Speaker 3: you're in Nashville now, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I live in Nashville now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Nashville. We're going there on Wednesday?
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  Speaker 1: This Wednesday?
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  Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. Oh, Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be gone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we're here.
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  Speaker 3: We're here now.
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  Speaker 2: We're here now enjoying this in the Chelsea Hotel. This
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  Speaker 2: is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Chelsea Hotel, a famous place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so many interesting people. We interviewed, actually in this room,
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  Speaker 1: Craig from Craigslist, the guy that started Craigslist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And?
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  Speaker 2: How's he?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he is, he's got a, he just.
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  Speaker 3: A lot going on.
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  Speaker 1: A lot. I mean, think of all the things that
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  Speaker 1: are passing through. You got a used car. You have somebody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, selling homemade Narcan. You got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: shit passing through. You know, you got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: shit in your inbox.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. Has he sold it or does
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  Speaker 2: he still own it?
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  Speaker 1: He has a partial ownership. I believe this is correct.
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  Speaker 1: He has a partial ownership, but he's not active with
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  Speaker 1: it anymore. Sure. Narcan. And now he's just like a philanthropist,
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  Speaker 1: but he was a very unique man. Craig Newmark was
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  Speaker 1: his name.
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  Speaker 3: Craig Newmark, yeah. Shout out Craig Newmark.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Craig. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We wouldn't say Craig, we'd say Craig.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Craig.
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  Speaker 3: Craigslist, that'd be called.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Craigslist. Oh, that sounds even more risque. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Missed connections.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, you might meet a dentist in
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  Speaker 1: the dark on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Craig, Craig.
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  Speaker 1: Craig.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what does Craig mean? Does it mean something in English?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just a name, I think.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it has any true meaning or
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  Speaker 3: anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe warrior?
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  Speaker 1: Craig.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Paul Craig.
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  Speaker 3: There you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He once called me a loser on his podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Really he said he said i actually look quite like
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  Speaker 3: paul craig but he said i should uh lose weight
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  Speaker 3: and that i was a loser dude.
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  Speaker 1: If he lost weight he'd be a loser yeah exactly
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  Speaker 1: yeah the biggest loser yeah don't give him the title
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  Speaker 1: before you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah but i saw the clip but um paul uh
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  Speaker 3: congratulations on everything sorry about what happened at the last
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  Speaker 3: day Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Lewis, isn't enough for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, man. Yeah, dude. Yeah, Paul Craig. No, but
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  Speaker 2: that would be Craig.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Craig.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Craig. Yeah. Yeah, dude, the Scots, man.
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  Speaker 2: They're fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: They're just fascinating. You'd almost, like, I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 1: if you was in the US, you know, or you're
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  Speaker 1: in a zoo and they had a couple in there somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you know, they're taken care of and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Drinking sort of like. They're healthy in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yelling at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Screaming at the fences and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like us.
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  Speaker 1: Or singing like a good, do they have like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of good like Scottish songs and stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, flower of Scotland, when will we see your lake again?
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  Speaker 3: and fought in night for your wee battalion claim that
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  Speaker 3: stood against them proud Edwards army and sent him homeward
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  Speaker 3: to thank again come on yeah yeah that's that's us
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  Speaker 3: that's one that's a good one that we've got we've
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  Speaker 3: also got um What's your name? Ali Bali, Ali Bali
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  Speaker 3: be sitting on your mommy's knee.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where that, when it goes after that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that one ends in the courts. I think it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, it sounds like a domestic dispute,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, I just, I think, yeah, the,
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  Speaker 1: most fascinating kind of like Scotland it's like the DIY
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  Speaker 1: England yeah exactly yeah it's like we'll fucking figure it
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  Speaker 1: out yeah we'll be fine up there but although we
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  Speaker 1: did not to get into independence no we did vote
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  Speaker 1: to not leave the England people think Scottish people hate
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  Speaker 1: English people but it's not true I love English people
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  Speaker 1: yeah I love them so much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't... I don't have anything against English people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, I love them.
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  Speaker 1: If I saw them, I would definitely pat them on
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  Speaker 1: the back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pat them on the back like one of those little...
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  Speaker 3: love taps on the back on the back on the
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  Speaker 3: back side on the yeah send them on the way
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  Speaker 3: on the low back yeah just the low back yeah consensually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah of course yeah it seems like there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: more you have to be very consensual over.
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  Speaker 3: There yeah yeah I think everywhere it's good to be
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  Speaker 3: consensual good call sorry yeah it was just and that's
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  Speaker 3: not going to age well still.
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  Speaker 1: But in scotland it's just a bit more like whose
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  Speaker 1: tit is this you know kind of and it's on
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  Speaker 1: your mate half the.
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  Speaker 3: Time yeah yeah exactly yeah and a man's tit it's
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  Speaker 3: always a man's tit we're.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about men ladies yeah we're talking about men's tits
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  Speaker 1: relax it's not always about your tits you know you
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  Speaker 1: don't think some of us are wearing brassieres now they
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: have that shea gilgus alexander just had a brassiere on
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  Speaker 1: the other day one of the most uh, famous basketball
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  Speaker 1: players in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a thing that I can.
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  Speaker 1: Pull up a gander at this? He was wearing a
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  Speaker 1: men's Brazil. Lovely stuff. Is that like, what is the,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, beautiful. I mean, it's coming, I guess things.
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  Speaker 2: What is the, what is the, the use in that?
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  Speaker 2: Cause he doesn't look like he's packing heat.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I bet I haven't seen, this is as
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  Speaker 1: much of him as I've seen. I'm going to just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, based on charts I've seen online, I bet
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  Speaker 1: he's doing okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't know. I think maybe times
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  Speaker 1: are changing. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks, I mean, hey, fair play to him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair play.
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  Speaker 3: Fair play. That's what I always say.
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  Speaker 1: Fair play to these Brazilian men. Are you feeling okay? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel great.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing good. Yeah, I feel relaxed and chilled.
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  Speaker 1: Good, man.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: What is Celsius?
• 12:10
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a sip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, get in there.
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  Speaker 2: I've never tried it before.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's lovely. That is actually really nice.
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  Speaker 1: Celsius. I'll have a bit with you.
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  Speaker 3: Cheers.
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  Speaker 2: Cheers, lad. Cheers.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you have a couple of these. You'll see
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  Speaker 1: a couple UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I always thought it was alcoholic.
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  Speaker 3: Can you get alcoholic Celsius or no?
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question. Do they have that?
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  Speaker 5: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: They should really wade into that market.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be a good shift.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet at some point they will. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get an email immediately for alcoholics. You're
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I'm angling for. I'm here collecting sponsors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. um dude in scotland you guys see some of
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  Speaker 1: the most ufos do you know.
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  Speaker 3: That i didn't know that no no i'm not uh
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  Speaker 3: i'm not as a up to speed with my alien
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  Speaker 3: stuff as i should be but is that is that
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  Speaker 3: the case more.
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  Speaker 1: Yes i think scotland is one of the most i
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  Speaker 1: think scotland has some of the most ufs ufo sightings
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  Speaker 1: anywhere really i.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: Think there's there's also like i think that's also got
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: something to do with people like you know taking more
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: drugs in scotland.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. And then some people just need a ride home.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Just jumping.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Hoping anything will come get them.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: What's that? There was a video of a guy, one
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: of the first sightings over there. What was his name? Yeah,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: this is a guy right here. It's Bobby Taylor.
• 13:48
  Speaker 6: With a big round dome, a very dark grey colour,
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: and it had a big flange going all the way around.
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: I could see Adam's sticking out of this flange with
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: what I took to be blades on the top. As
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: I stood here, two balls came out, two balls. I
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: think they'd be about three feet in diameter with about six.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: It could have just been a big gay guy running
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: towards him. You know what I'm saying? It could have
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: just been a big gay guy in a helmet running
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: towards him.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: He also sounds like he might have a few on board, though.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: It's not like Robert, Bobby Taylor there, Sounds like he
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: could be under the influence slightly.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure that that's.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you're here because this is.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's Livingston.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: That's so close to where I grew up.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so close to where I grew up. I grew
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: up like 10.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Minutes from there.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: That's very close.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: A place called East Whitbourne in between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: But that's so close to where I live.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: And have you heard of this man?
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of Robert Taylor.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: He hasn't really made it into the.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: He was attacked by a UFO in the Deckmont Woods.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: You've heard of him?
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard of... I've heard of the woods. I
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: haven't heard of... robert but then that's what they do
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: they try and uh they try and uh suppress this
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: stuff don't they oh for.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Sure you can yeah this guy should not be.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: West lothian that's where i that's literally where i grew.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Up really yeah in uf the the taylor incident aka
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: livingston incident or detriment woods encounter is the name given
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: to claims of sight sighting an extraterrestrial spacecraft uh in
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: livingston west lothian Yeah, that's where Whitman is.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I never thought I'd hear Dio Fonsi, Wes Lillian.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, boy.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: WL, Whitburn Lupe.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: That's it? Yeah, well, the Whitburn Lupe is like a
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: young team. There's a thing in Scotland called, there's things
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: all over Scotland called young teams. And it's like groups
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: of youths are like, and they sort of get together
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: and cause mischief and like, you know, I don't know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: like fighting.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, a bit of gangs?
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: So I wouldn't even class it as gangs. It's not
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: as like, It's not as... Violent? Violent.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: There's fights, but like everyone, you kind of go around
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: on your bikes and like punch, punch, fuck at each other.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I was never in one, obviously, but like punch, fuck
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: at each other. You had like West, Whip on Lupe.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: That's the only one I know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: It was a song like Whip on Lupe, nuts are we,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: him and her and you and me. We'll show you
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: what we can do with a baseball bat and a snooker.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Slash the faces, jump the back, use the cue as
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: a baseball bat. Whitburn Lupe, nuts are we. We are
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: the Whitburn Lupe. Let's go, dude.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I'll join right now. Give somebody that fricking Glasgow smile, eh?
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: According to Taylor, a forestry worker for the Livingston Development
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Corporation on November 9th, 1979, he parked his pickup truck
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: at the side of a road near the motorway and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: walked along a forest path, um, he claims he experienced
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a foul odor like burning brakes uh I.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Mean it sounds pretty um similar the spheres like similar
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: to sea mines had seized him and were dragging him
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: in the direction of a larger object when he lost
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: consciousness ooh But they always lose consciousness right before they
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: see them.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It is true. Do you know what I mean? So
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: what is happening?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like he blacked out. I mean, yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely, you said out of the gate,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: it looked like he'd maybe had one or two.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one or two on board, yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And also the thing about a lot of UFOs, dude,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: We never even find a gas cap on the ground
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: or anything. These motherfuckers are flying everywhere. We never find
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a rear view mirror for one of them.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: You're telling me they're that well assembled that not one
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: of them ever.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Has had a fault.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: A spare tire or something. Even just one of those
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: jacks they use to fix the side of it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not like a huge believer in UFOs or aliens,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: but I'm curious.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I'm curious.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm always interested.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: You're alien curious.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I'm alien curious.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Me too. I would just be, oh, I hope if
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: they get me, they're women that get me. But yeah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the Falkirk, what was that? The Falkirk Triangle?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Falkirk Triangle. Falkirk's also not far from where I live.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: This is all, they all seem to be happening in
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: my sort of, my little concentrated area of London.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Scotland, sorry.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Falkirk Triangle. It sounds like three kind of
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: thicker ladies splitting a bit of haggis, doesn't it?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Falkirk Triangle is a region in central Scotland
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: renowned as one of the world's most active UFO hotspots.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You didn't know that?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that, no. That's not... People haven't, like...
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: What the shit? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: It's not become a real.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It's not as famous as.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But how many do you need before people tap each
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: other on the shoulder?
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: You see, things are going on here. This isn't normal.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: You'd think as well you'd be able to catch them.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Like you'd be able to, if 300 are happening a
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: year in the area, you'd be able to wait out
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and be like, okay, they're coming at some point.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think just some guy, some Scottish cowboy at
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: some point.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's mad though. I never knew that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: What is it? I wonder if, what leads to those UFOs?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's something in Scotland that leads to it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Is it the diet? Is it the.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: There was a thing called the Glasgow effect a couple
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: of years ago. Well, I still, I think it was
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: like the life expectancy in Glasgow was, At one stage,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: she was like 55 years old or whatever. And I
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: remember this girl did this thing where she was looking,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: it was like an art project, where she was looking
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: for funding so she could live like a Glaswegian for
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: a year and see how it affected her health.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So she could love a Glaswegian?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: No, live like a Glaswegian.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Live?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: The diet, the sort of surroundings. People were really up
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in arms about it because it was very like, sort
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: of poverty safari sort of.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Right, like almost like a supersize, I mean, but for
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Scotland kind of?
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It was very like, it was thingy.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, excess mode.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: The Glasgow effect refers to the observation that residents of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Glasgow experience lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes than
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: people living in similarly deprived cities in the United Kingdom
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: there you go but I think it's better now I
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: think it is much better now.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think the people are just so great God wants
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: them back quicker That's great.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: That's a good way of looking at it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. The rest of you guys
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: can mill around.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: On the earth. Yeah, just keep it going down there.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Dude, the last 30 years are downhill anyway. We'll fucking
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: show up in heaven in style. I like that. That's class, dude.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: How old are you?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I'm 45, man.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to die soon, dude. Let me get
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a look at myself.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I think you're a very sprightly 45.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't feel... I swear to God, I don't...
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: If this is what 45 feels like, I can't even
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: believe it. Because I don't feel 45. I don't think
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I think like I'm 45. So I think something's wrong
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: with me. And I'm not even joking. I really do.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I thought I would just have more like adult feelings
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: or be a young grandfather at this point. But none
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of that's happening.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. I definitely get, the older I get,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: the more I'm like, aging kind of scales me slightly.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Not even aging, getting older, but like the loss of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: like youth. Even though like things have gone, I've like done,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: been really lucky and like had like a really like
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: dreams have come true and stuff. I still like find
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: myself pining and longing for like when I was younger
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and even like, I don't know why it's like a
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: big thing for me. It's like I'm running out of
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: time sort of thing. But I think that everyone gets that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if some people get
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it so severely. Cause I think about that all the time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like youth, like I'm like almost obsessed with what it
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: was like to be young, you know? And almost, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: think a lot of times I don't want to grow up.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At any, I don't ever want to do it. Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: You know, like, uh, but yeah, I think, I guess,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I think one thing about youth is that everything was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like so adventurous maybe, or I don't know. Why do
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you think that is? What do you, do you think
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: there's like, I don't know if it's like... Any themes
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: about youth that make you feel that way?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I guess there's people around you that aren't here anymore,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I guess. It's a point in your life where everyone
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: is there. I mean, I guess my grandmother died when
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I was three, so I was very quick to.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think that may be a big thing with my
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: worry of.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: What's the word? Obsession with... you know, euthanaging and all
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the rest of it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Detachment and all that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I learned from like a young age that people,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: it's finite and people die and stuff. And I think, yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I think maybe that might be something that I attached
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to or like that there's less, there's less.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Was she a cool lady, your gran?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was cool.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: What's her name?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: My mom's going to kill me.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: No, she won't. Your grandmother's dead. They need you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Fuck, what was my grandma's name? I just called her Nana.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And if she.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: First of all.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Can I text my mom and ask her what her
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: name was?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Please. Any grandmother going by her natural-born name, first of all,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is a tramp, I think. Every grandmother should be Nana
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: from now on.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I want to text my brother because I feel like
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: my mom would be like, what the fuck are you doing?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Might be a bit much.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: For her, yeah. What was... Mums, mum's name. Two more
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: sips of Celsius, you'll remember it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I bet if you have a sip of Celsius right now,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you might remember it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I can't fucking remember a name. That's mental.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been through a lot, dude. We've seen what's
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: gone through.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: That's fucking mental.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Is it though?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'll keep it. I'll keep it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I don't know my father's mother's name.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, there you go. But your father was much older.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was an older man.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: What was his name?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandmother was born in 1884.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But I should still probably know her first name.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But I guess you never met her.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: No, I never met her.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: But she's born in 1884.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: No, I've seen some drawings. We had drawings of her
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and stuff at our house. But I, yeah, I never
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: met her.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But we had four pretty good drawings. One actually, one
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: my uncle did and it was fucking shite, dude. Yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: it was shite. Oh, it was horrible. It was with markers.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It's a no photos, just drawings.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And from memory, maybe.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: So who knows?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: It could have been anyone really. It could have been
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: an old lady. So, so you don't, it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Could have been just some friend of Paddington bears.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I have no clue. It could have been anyone. It
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: could have been the queen. Do you know what I mean?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It could have been the queen.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 24:25
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get back to that, my mother's mother's name.
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  Speaker 1: And look, it'll be something that we'll check towards the end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Nan is it?
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  Speaker 1: Nan is it? That's what everybody calls him. Nana. Nana.
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  Speaker 3: Nana. It's like, is that a Scottish thing? No, I
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  Speaker 3: think some Americans say Nana.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think what we say here. A
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: lot of people say like Grammy, Mimi.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Meemaw.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Meemaw, too.
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  Speaker 3: Meemaw, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: What would you.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Grandmother. Evil grandmother, I would say also at times. Or
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: distant grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: Cold grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: Older lady with the key is also a term that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I would throw around sometimes. No, my grandmother was good
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: at like she would make us nice treats. And that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: was one thing I thought that she was good at.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Fun memories treats.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: She liked to feed you, you know?
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I've got a lot of people like that
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: in my life.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big proponent of being fed.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I like to be fed.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds weirder than I wanted it to sound, but
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I just meant I like eating.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, you should eat while you're here. I mean,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: according to the Scottish mortality.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Rate, you're fucking.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's only so much time left. Exactly. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: need to get on.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: No wonder you feel so much about your youth, you know?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: No wonder you do.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I think my brother's texting me back.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: This is awesome.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: What? Mum's mum's name was Melissa.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Melissa. No grandmother's ever been called Melissa.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Not that I know of. Unless it's kind of like a... Margaret?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Melissa.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Maggie?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll get to the bottom of this by
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the end of the podcast. I'm 100% sure.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: This is our UFO.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is meant... I'll just keep it... Sorry.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's great, man. Um... Yeah, dude. Who's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on your Scottish Mount Rushmore if you had to kind
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of piece one together?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Billy Connolly would be up there for sure.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, Billy Connolly.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Billy Connolly. Maybe I like, there's a Scottish singer
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I love called Paolo Nettini.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: What is his name?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Paolo Nettini. He's Scottish Italian, much like myself. Well, not
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: quite like myself because he looks Italian and I look
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: like this. Yeah, see, he's got that sort of like Italian-y.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. So that's a Scotsman?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That's a Scotsman, yeah. But he's up there for me
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: as a musician. I grew up listening to him.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And have you guys ever gotten to tour or collaborate together?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I've had a few beers with him. I went to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: BCM and had a few beers with him. That was
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: like a really nice sort of Phil Soccer award. He's
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: very elusive, Palantir. He'll disappear for years and then come
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: back and sing. But he's an incredible, incredible talent. But
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: he'll be he'd be up there for me I'm trying
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to think of actors oh.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Sean Connery maybe Sean Connery would be up there I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: mean he's a very historical figure.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah Sean Connery probably would be up there yeah actor wise.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: What about Shane McGowan was he Scottish?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Shane McGowan's Irish he is?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: He might have been high enough he thought he was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Scottish I think he was born in England Shane McGowan.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Sean Connery, he was very much the epitome of class.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Robert Louis Stevenson.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Or like Alexander Graham Bell.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Is he Scottish?
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's Scottish. Scottish people invented telephone and television.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: John Logie Baird, is that the guy who invented television?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Well, Robert Louis Stevenson, they invented the telephone. Who invented
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the telephone, really? Really? Oh my gosh, dude, thank you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, guys. Honestly, thank you. You're more than welcome.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: That's quite a recent, looks like quite a recent picture.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: What's going on there?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It must be AI or something.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Nah they said what do you mean do you think
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that's AI I don't know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It's just been coloured it's just been.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Dude you guys invented the damn telephone who did he
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: call first I don't know there was no one else
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on the other end of the line I guess that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the problem that's a great point oh Christ that must
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: have been the worst part imagine the day they're like
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: debuting it and nobody else even has.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: One yeah exactly rubbish it must be the guy who
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: got the first iPhone do you know.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: What I mean oh he's like oh my wife didn't
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: pick up I'm gonna stay for another party yeah that's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: mad Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone call was to his assistant,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Thomas A. Watson. Bell uttered the famous words, Mr. Watson,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: come here. I want to see you.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Wow. Sexual almost. Definitely.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Well, look, disco, a lot of men invented things. I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: think a lot of men who allegedly had maybe some
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: zesty tendencies. invented things because they needed to meet other men.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And they didn't want to say out in public, hey.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You needed to, you wanted to be like discreet.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So pick up this little whisper mobile, that little phone.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Come Heather. The Come Heather machine.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Come Heather machine. Wow, that's wild, dude.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: That's lovely.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That's amazing, dude. I didn't know that. And that was
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: March 10th, 1876. He did it in Boston.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Not long before your grandmother was born.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah. Oh.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: It's all coming around now, isn't it?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: RIP, Melissa.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Melissa.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's texting me. Sorry, I'm really, it's really rude
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: that I'm pulling my phone out as much as I am. No,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: what do you mean?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: We have to know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, mum's mum, Margaret.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, Margaret. Yeah, Margaret.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I knew it was Margaret. I would have said that. Maggie.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Margaret. Yeah, there you go.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Margaret.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Wake up, Maggie.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I think I got something to say to you. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: don't know a lot of singing on this podcast so far.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It's great, though.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really, really.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: He's also a fan of Glasgow Celtic.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Is he really?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, Rod Stewart. Yeah. He passed away.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: No, he's alive and well.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: People said he passed. I'm glad he's doing good.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think he just played Glastonbury like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: last week or something.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I was going to be, I was going to be
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: disappointed for a bit.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Thank God he's alive. Yes.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I agree. If you're watching Rod.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, You mentioned Glastonbury a few minutes ago. You
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: just returned, huh?
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I just got back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just came back
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: on stage. Bit of a comeback moment, I think.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was lovely.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: It was like a really special, special moment. Two years ago,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I basically had like this, I don't want to call
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: it like a mental breakdown, but it was like a
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: breakdown of sorts on stage that had been a long
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: time coming, to be honest, on stage at Glastonbury in 2023.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And then I took two years off to sort of
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: like recalibrate and re-sort of, you know, did a lot
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: of therapy and got myself in a much better headspace
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and dealt with, I had been told I had Tourette's
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and stuff and that was really causing me a lot
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: of stress and I didn't know how to deal with it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And now, yeah, after these two years off, I really
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: wanted to come back and, you know, do Glastonbury and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: sort of like, as like a mental sort of win,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: sort of finish the thing that I couldn't finish before.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And it was amazing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like really, really special. Maybe like the best day
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: of my life, to be honest. It was a really,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: really special day. And I'm just, yeah, I'm really glad
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that we got to, got to do it. And it
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: was just, yeah, blew my mind about, yeah, mad, mad, mad, mad.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen the videos. It looks, you can
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: feel the energy in both, in both of the, the, the, the,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the performances I've seen on YouTube, you can feel the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: energy in both of them. Was part of you like glad, like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you know, there's this weird, like, cause you were very,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: transparent I feel like with your audience. I feel like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: as much as you can be, and I think as
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a human, right? You try to put yourself out there
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: as well as you know yourself and that's how you
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: try to present yourself. And of course we're always like
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: getting to know ourselves more, right? And so that will
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: change over time. Were you glad almost in a weird
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: way that some of that kind of like, I don't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: want to call it a breakdown, but some of like
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that real of a moment in your life was there
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit of you that was glad or were
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you scared that it happened in such a public way?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Does that make any sense?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, it makes complete sense. And I was, I
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: was so happy.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Like when I came off stage, like when it happened
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and when it was happening, I was, it was like
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the lowest moment of my life and it was horrible.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: But like I made this, I had this moment when
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I was on stage, like two, three songs in, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: was like, this is the last time I'm going to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: play a gig for a long time. I was like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I need to try and get through the rest of
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the show, but when I come off, I'm done. So
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: when I got off stage, it was obviously, again, horrible
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: at the moment on stage and, you know, experiencing it
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: all or whatever. But when I got off stage, everyone
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: else around me was a bit like, oh, this is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the worst thing ever. And I had this weird sort of,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: a weight had been lifted of like, oh, now this
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: thing's happened and I have to get help.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Sort of thing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: It wasn't, I had been putting it off because funnily enough,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a few weeks prior to that show in Glastonbury, we
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: were playing in Chicago and I had a very similar episode.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: It was probably even worse. The one in Chicago, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: couldn't come back on stage and finish the song. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: was like backstage convulsing and having like this crazy panic attack,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: mental like episode.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: It was really, really bad.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Way worse than what happened to Glastonbury because Glastonbury is
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: such a, like you say, like a, a big stage
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and a big moment. It was the first time people
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: outside of maybe, you know, my shows or whatever had
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: seen it. So yeah, at Glastonbury, when I came off stage,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: it was weird. I had this, oh, everything's all right
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: now and I can actually go and get help and
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: fix myself for these, for the next two years. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: it was, yeah, in a weird way, it's probably the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: best thing that ever happened to me at that moment
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: at Glastonbury in 2023 because it was just, I wouldn't
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: have stopped otherwise. If I had, if I could like
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: think I'm really bad for, I say, I say I
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: am really bad.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I was really bad for, um, not saying no to things.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Like feeling like, Oh, this is going to pass me by.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: If I don't say yes to this, all this amazing
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: stuff's coming at me now and I have to like
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: catch it all and sort of get it all done and, and,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and do this. Um, otherwise these moments are going to
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: pass me by and I'm, you know, it's never going
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: to happen again. So I said yes to way too
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: much and I took way too much on and everyone
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: around me was like, was asking me, are you sure
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: this is okay? I was like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. But yeah, so Glastonbury
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: 2023 was for sure the biggest like, was yeah, really
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: important and like my, yeah, maybe the most important day
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of my life to be honest because it was such a, yeah,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have stopped otherwise.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: It was like almost like.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Like a blessing kind of.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like someone upstairs was like, this has to
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: happen now. Otherwise, I don't want to think about where
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I would be now if I hadn't, if I'd continued
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to do it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Because we were meant to go to Australia and stuff
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You could have fallen apart, man.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: It could have been really, really, yeah, horrible. I dread
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: to think what would have happened otherwise. So, yeah, a
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: bit of a blessing in disguise, I think, for sure.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And I, you know what I thought about? I like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was just like, I think we're
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: at a time where people just want to see something
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that's real.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: You know? They want to see somebody that's like, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's not hiding all their tough times, you know, that's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: trying to at least be earnest, as earnest as you can,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, I just thought it was, yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think seeing something that's real and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: especially if it's somebody like you that is. you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you're an emotional guy. You have a lot of feelings
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and it's, and you have a lot of feelings that
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we all have that we can't put into words. And so,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you know, we like look to you to be like this, like,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, almost somebody that's like speaking for us. Not
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that you're doing that through ego or anything, but just
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that you're like a conduit for some of the feelings
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that we can't explain.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe. I think so.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: But then I look to like other people like that. Oh,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I think we all do. But just the fact that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: then you are able to like, just that you're so
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: present and real. It feels like with your, with, with
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: people and with your fans or, you know, people that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: support you that for you to have a real moment,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it just, um, I don't know. I guess I don't
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm trying to say. I guess.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Shit.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. I know.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: I know what you mean.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It's like people are sort of craving a bit of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: like authenticity, I think.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Well, and also if you hadn't had it in such
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a real way would you.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Um no well that's like I think for a long
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: time I was.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Like I'm sorry no you're grand you're grand uh it
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: was I think for a long time I was like
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: surface level talking about my mental health and talking about
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I think for a long time prior to that moment
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in 2023 I was like um yeah I get I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: have panic attacks or I get anxious but I wasn't
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like really, I feel, and I still, I'm bad for
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: this now. Like I give people enough that, that sometimes
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: they think they're getting the whole story and actually I'm
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: holding quite a lot back sometimes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Um, and I think I was doing that quite heavily
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: at the time.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: So when that happened, the Glastonbury, it was this real
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: thing of like the, the sort of things been, the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: mass pulled off and it's like, yeah, you're just there
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: in front of everybody. So, um, yeah, as I say,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: it was like this, um, I had no choice but
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: to confront things and I think yeah I was really
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: taken aback by the sort of outpouring of love and
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: support that people had it was really like an emotional
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: time like coming back and seeing like so many people
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: reaching out and being you know kind and sort of
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: sharing their stories with me and all this stuff it
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: was really special but yeah I know you mean like
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I feel like everybody's looking for something that's a bit
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: real or tangible to sort of hold onto.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I think something that's human. Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Did you feel any embarrassment when you came back and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: not that you should or anything? I just think that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: feelings are interesting, right? So sometimes you'll feel embarrassed about things,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: even if you should, you know, it's all interesting. Like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: we show up to everything with different feelings and trying to,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: you're always trying to juggle all these feelings and all
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: these moments, you know, was there any embarrassment? Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I feel, I feel embarrassment all the time.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Honestly, like, I don't know if, I don't know if
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you agree with us, right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: But like, See, being, like, famous, I find it's the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: most embarrassing thing of all time.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Or, like, well-known.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Like, I walk into every room, and I'm like, either
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you're either not famous enough or too famous to be
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: in a room. I know that sounds like very first-world problems,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: but let me land here. But that's, like, the thing of, like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I either walk into a room, and it's like.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm totally projecting, and no one's probably even looking
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: at me like this, but, like.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I sometimes feel like either.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: it's like everyone thinks that I think that I'm awesome
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm walking in a room and I'm like, look
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: at me, I'm this famous guy and blah, blah, blah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Or people walk into the room and go, oh, who
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: does he think he is doing this or that? I
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: just feel fame in general and being well-known is the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: most embarrassing thing to me. I just get like, I
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: just feel so like cringed up all the time with like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: when it comes to like that sort of side of things.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the brightest, ugliest suit.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're walking into a room with like, I don't know,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: it's mental. And then I sort of have this thing
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: where I walk into a room and I assume that, oh,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: everyone in this room probably doesn't like me because they've
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: seen something online that I said once, or they think
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I try too hard to be silly or funny, or
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: they think I try my music shit, or they think
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I think. I'm better than I am.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I just, trying to manage people's expectations or thoughts.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: And then your whole life becomes, and I know some
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: people are like, listen to these guys who have everything complaining.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And I understand that, but we're going to keep doing
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it for another minute.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Just to explore what it's like, because also being popular,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's almost just like life's like an experiment and you
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: have different moments. Sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's horrible, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's all just like, I look at it as like, okay,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: this is what's going on now. And what is this like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you know? And, uh, yeah, sometimes then you start thinking, okay,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I have to spend so much time making sure that
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: everybody thinks that I'm okay. Right. That I'm cool, that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm okay enough to them. So then that can be
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like a trap. It can all be just kind of like, um,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. it can get a little bit interesting.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: That's another thing as well.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Like that's, uh, like even like having that thought of like, fuck,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: is this, yeah, as this complaining too much or whatever,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: but like.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll text these guys in the middle of the night.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Does this seem gay? Does this seem racist? Those are
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: two of the big ones. Am I okay? These motherfuckers
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: are trying to sleep.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: In their homes and their.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Coworkers text me at midnight.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Am I okay?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Like we don't fucking know. Look, fucking look at your
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: ring camera, you idiot. I don't know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: But it's true.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: It's like this thing of like, even the thoughts of,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: even the thoughts of, even like the thing I just said,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I'm already like overthinking that thing I said about you're
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: either too famous or not famous enough in a room.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Because I'm like, I'm embarrassed that I even, like even
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: talking about being famous is embarrassing or even like referring
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: to yourself as being famous as embarrassing.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: And again, you're only famous to people who know you really.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: You're not famous to everybody. Like, like thingy. So it's like,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: and then, I don't know. It's such like a mental,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: you do like so many mental gymnastics, I think.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: For sure. Oh no, look man, it's interesting to talk about.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And you know what I think? It's interesting to imagine that,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: It's interesting to imagine that you're important, right?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you're– like I've noticed this sometimes. Like if other people
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: think I'm important, then it gives me– I don't have
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to think I'm important.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It's almost like I'm using the fact that they think
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'm important in some way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's like, oh,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: then I can just get my importance through that instead
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of creating my own importance for myself. Does that make
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: any sense? Or is that crazy?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: No, a hundred percent. It's like you're getting, but then
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: it's that sort of, that again, I guess it goes
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: back to the external validation.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Which is like, I was thinking of this on the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: way over as well. How, how attack, like, cause I'm
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: coming back into this, like, like.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a new tour coming out. You're coming
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: back into.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Stepping into like spotlight again or like, this sort
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: of world again and I'm really trying not to get
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: that validation externally but it's quite difficult like I'm just
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I already feel it like in little bits of things
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that I've only been uh back for like a week
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and a half here and I'm already like you know
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: looking through comments and getting oh like excited when I
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: see like a nice comment and then like really down
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: when I see an awful one and and I'm already
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to stop myself and be like no this
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: is like this is the stuff that you, that got
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: you sort of where you were last time. It's important
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: to not sort of feed into it. And it's just, um,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it's just really, it's like such an interesting thing. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's exclusive to being well known or being.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's human too. Yeah. A
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: lot of it's just human stuff, you know? And I
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: think this, you're almost like, I think with popularity and stuff,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you almost become like a lab mouse. You almost become
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: like just this heightened level of a lot of things.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, it's interesting to talk about. Well, dude,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: as a fan of yours and as a, you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: somebody you've helped me feel, you know, you know, no
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: homo dude have feelings and shit over the years type shit. Uh,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: but dude, yeah, I don't think you could ever, I
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: think you'd have to try very hard, uh, to, to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: have a realistic person think that you're a bad person.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, likewise, like, I think that's like, um,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's, that's why I think I'm such a
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: fan of yours as well. Like, I just feel, I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: like talking about being real and stuff. I like, I've
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: seen clips of yours where you're like, again, showing emotion
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: and stuff. And it really, it really resonates with me
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: in a big way.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it's, yeah, it's just nice to like, yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Check your front of your grandmother text. Sorry, it's getting
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: fucking kind of crazy, but no, I appreciate it, man.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: We're trying our best, you know, and sometimes it's a battle.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't mean to interrupt you. That was
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: kind of mean of me, dude.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: It wasn't mean at all. Honestly, I was rambling.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Um, Do you worry? But thanks for the nice words, dude. Yeah,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it all becomes, and then you start to become like, well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: this how people think you are, is that how you
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: really are? And then you're like, am I holding up
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: just an image of myself?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Who am I even?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It's all kind of interesting, right? But as long as
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you try to just stay aware of that, that's kind
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: of what's going on, then it can all be kind
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of interesting.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's important to remind yourself who you are
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: away from all this. I think that's what me having
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: two years off.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a pervert away from it. no offense ladies i
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: don't know and no offense scott either.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: No but i mean it's like i think it's important
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: to have that sort of um yeah that sort of
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: uh awareness of right when when all this is gone
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: like who what who am i or what am i
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: yeah you know i have more i think i have
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: i'd like to think i had more to offer than
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: you know singing a few songs or you know being
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: silly on social media or stuff like.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: That yeah and more to offer myself too yeah that's
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: what i think about sometimes like you know at what
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: point do i start offering like trying better to focus
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: on offering things to my own life i don't know
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: now and now now we might be wading into some
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: fucking ego waters but that's okay yeah let's back out
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: of that um how do you keep things from being
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: different than like what kind of like led to like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: some of the uh you know, like mild traumas or
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: things that happened last time that led you to the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: point where you were really suffering?
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, like I wasn't doing any therapy.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really looking after myself at all. It's not
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: like I'm like hitting the gym like every fucking day
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: or whatever, like whatever. But like, I just think in general,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: making better choices in terms of, you know, every aspect
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: of my life. I do therapy every week now as well,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: which has been really beneficial for me. I think I've really,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: that's really been maybe the biggest thing that's, Switched everything around.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Is your therapist a man or a woman? A man.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: A man named Owen.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Owen O'Kane.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Very nice.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Owen what?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: O'Kane.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Owen O'Kane.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Irish. Oh, God.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So you'll end up decent if you get better.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: At best. You'll end up decent at best, dude. Oh,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: that's him there.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Is it okay that we say his name and stuff?
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. I'm sure he'll be more than
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: happy with it.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's class. Oh, he's an author as well.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an author.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing, man.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: He's been amazing. He's been amazing for me in the
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: last little while.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Who turned you on to him?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: It was my management.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: That got through to him and stuff who had heard
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: from someone else or whatever but it was just when
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I came off stage at Glastonbury it was like immediately
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: first thing I need is therapist.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Did they put you in an ice bathroom you got
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: off or would they do do they like just or
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: did you just fucking sit and have a pint like
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that was a that was a wild one like were
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: you able to calm down right after you came off
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the stage.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I went i went out and i went i flew
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: back to glasgow that night and went out and had
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: pints that's.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: The most scottish shit i've ever heard dude i did
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: but yeah i could be getting a heart transplant yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: No i woke up and i went straight to straight
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: to the pub and and so it was just a
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: nice I just had to like go and do something
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: normal rather than be around mates and, and get back
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: at that sort of place. So, so yeah, I went
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: out and kicked the ass out of it properly, but
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: it was, it was very much needed. Do you know
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: So, but yeah, and then it became, yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: And then afterwards we did a bunch of shit with
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: therapists and neurologists as well for like my Tourette's and stuff. I'm,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: take medication for that and all that stuff and just
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: in general try to reduce stress as much as possible
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's been a massive thing and I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: that's where that's sort of what I was saying about
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: saying no to things is becoming quite a I'm realising
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: how important that can be with stuff because it's just
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: it's one of those things of like if it doesn't Oh,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: this thing, you won't get this again if you don't
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: say yes now. I'm like, okay, cool.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Or somebody will be unhappy or something like that. Like, yeah,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I've done meet and greets, I think for probably 97%
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: of my shows after, right? Just for free, just meet,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you know. But sometimes I just can't do it anymore
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and it's okay.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like I had like, I don't know if
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know what happened to me.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Something happened to me like a couple of years ago.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I just felt like this loud crack even like in
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: my head.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, all right. And I've never been,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think fully the same since then.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: All right, okay.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. but I don't know what happened, you know, but
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I just knew that I had to shut it down
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and I had to start taking better care of myself. And, um,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: because at first I thought the stress was like, Oh,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you're not working hard enough. You're not figuring this out. Well,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: but that's not the truth. The truth was, I just,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like there wasn't going to be anything left.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I just didn't have anything left.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: So I had to tighten it up. Yeah, man.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's the, that's the thing as well.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you feel like, like you said, I like what
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you said there, the stress felt like I wasn't doing
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: enough or whatever, but it's actually, It's like taking your
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: foot off the gas as opposed to putting it on.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's an important thing.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And now I'll shut down. Like if there's a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: certain conversation or somebody's talking to me, sometimes if somebody's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: speaking in a certain pentameter or things are too fast
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: or something, I'll just say, Hey, I can't even be
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in this conversation. Like I just have to like, cause
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you'll just start to kind of lose your mind. Yeah. Um,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: so with the Tourette's, was it, was it getting cool
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: or was it getting bad? Like what kind, what kind
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: were you getting? Cause there's the cool kind where, you know, no,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't, it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Wasn't the kill kind.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, I used to do this thing all
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the time where I would go like this like I'd
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: be sitting here having this conversation with you and I'd
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: be like this oh.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah like a third base coach in football in baseball
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: or something you.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Know yeah like doing signals yeah yeah so I used
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: to do that shit and I used to like contort
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: my back and stuff in ways so I had to
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: get like this I wanted to get this feeling in
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: my muscles when it felt like it was pulling and
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: like cracking and like I was causing myself some real
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: pain um and I had to just I just for
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: some reason in my head I was I need to
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: feel this to know that, I don't know. It was,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: it was almost like, it was like, I, sorry, I'm
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: saying like a lot and it annoys me, but, um,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I think you're doing fine.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Good, good, good. Um, we can do it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: No, I've noticed when people say like a lot, I've
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: not noticed that today.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: All right, cool.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Good, good, good. Um, the, uh, yeah, no, it was
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: almost like when I felt I was out of body,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I would try and do this like twitch or something
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: to sort of, bring myself back in.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was really weird.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It was really weird. And I looked like I was
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: like on copious amounts of cocaine. Like, yeah, like I
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: was tweaking. Do you know what I mean?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Really, really like I was tweaking.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, you were hailing a fricking air taxi with Bobby
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Taylor over there. Dude, that's fascinating though. So, you would
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: get a feeling and then the, the, some of the
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: ticks would make you feel like you're almost getting back
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: into your skin. Yeah.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I felt like. I can't speak for
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: everybody else.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating though.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I think they call it like a pre-monetary urge or something.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: And I think, uh, I, um, yeah, I was getting
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: them all the time. And when I was performing, it
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: was like really prevalent because it was like, you would
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: get it if you're excited. So any sort of extreme
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: emotion would bring it on or like tired or anything.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: So it was, um, yeah, it was bizarre.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It was really, really bizarre.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: But like, Now I'm noticing even more.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: No, it sounds good. Premonitory, it's called?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Premonitory urge. Yeah, fuck, I remembered that.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: A premonitory urge is a sensory experience like an itch
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: or a feeling of pressure that occurs before a tick
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: in individuals with Tourette's syndrome or other tick disorders. Premonitory
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: urges are physical sensations. These urges can manifest as feelings
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: of tension, pressure, an itchy sensation, or a feeling that
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: something is building up and needs to be released. Wow. Nice.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Wow. I definitely, I had about, for 15 years, I
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: had a, fuck, I'm still doing bad. Still doing pretty bad, yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just two days off of premonitory urge. But I
• 54:56
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• 55:04
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• 55:08
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• 55:11
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• 55:16
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• 55:19
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  Speaker 1: That's betterhelp.com slash Theo. But wow, man, that's kind of fascinating. Well,
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  Speaker 1: one thing that I think is so interesting about people
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  Speaker 1: like you who are like, you know, poets, wordsmiths, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and that's okay. That's what you are, right?
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  Speaker 1: You have an ability to share things through words and language.
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  Speaker 1: Is that when something like this is a part of
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  Speaker 1: your world, you can probably express it to people better
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  Speaker 1: than some people who don't have that same ability, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm yet to really delve
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  Speaker 3: into it because I'm still figuring it out as well.
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  Speaker 2: I find I'm better at figuring it out.
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  Speaker 1: Figuring it out, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I find I'm better at talking about something once I've
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  Speaker 3: understood it a bit more. I'm not really good at
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  Speaker 3: talking about things as they're happening.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, or explaining or writing about stuff as it's like, um, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Happening.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, Oh Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's like, things are better when you have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to look at them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. With the benefit of hindsight.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm, Oh, that's the craziest thing about life though.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, I don't get, I'm always waiting for
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  Speaker 1: hindsight in my life, you know? And the problem is
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  Speaker 1: then you've gone relative term. And also you've gone on
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  Speaker 1: from wherever the, wherever you could have, had an effect
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  Speaker 1: on things I'll always like delay trying to have like
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  Speaker 1: make a choice until things are in hindsight but then
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  Speaker 1: it's too late you know sometimes I do that a
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  Speaker 1: bit when did you go to therapy for the first
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  Speaker 1: time ever was it after that.
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  Speaker 3: No no I went to therapy I've tried therapy a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of times and like no it's obviously I'm not
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to sound disparaging to any other therapists
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  Speaker 3: I've been to there's been I've been to amazing therapists
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  Speaker 3: but I've never really had like a connection with any
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  Speaker 3: of them or like.
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  Speaker 2: Or sort of felt clicked.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. A lot of times people go and
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  Speaker 1: they think just because they're going to what they're, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say a lot of times people
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  Speaker 1: do things. A lot of times I have gone to
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  Speaker 1: therapists for years and I didn't know that I was
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  Speaker 1: really supposed to have like a relationship that I could
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  Speaker 1: be honest in. It was like, finally, this was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be like, whether I wanted to pretend like the
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  Speaker 1: therapist was my mother or my girlfriend or my brother
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  Speaker 1: or a friend, I could pretend like they were that
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  Speaker 1: and say things to them that I've always wanted to
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  Speaker 1: say to that other person. Sure. But I never realized
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  Speaker 1: that that's how, was a good way to use a therapist.
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  Speaker 1: I always just thought a lot of times it was
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  Speaker 1: like just sit and talk only about how I feel.
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  Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if I was learning anything. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, oh, since I'm going to a therapist. You're
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  Speaker 1: ticking a box there or something. Right, I'm checking a box.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I think just to your point there, I was
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  Speaker 3: going to a lot of these therapists and I was just,
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  Speaker 3: I felt like I was just saying things what they
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  Speaker 3: wanted to hear after a certain point. I was looking
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  Speaker 3: at the clock and sort of being like, okay, what
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  Speaker 3: is the thing I can say to get me out
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  Speaker 3: of here? the quickest or to, that, that makes them
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  Speaker 3: think I've like, I wanted them to think that I
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  Speaker 3: had a grasp of like my mental health.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I want to be my own doctor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and they would say stuff and I would then,
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  Speaker 3: I just found myself, I was, I was parrying everything
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  Speaker 3: that they were sort of, when or when things, and
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  Speaker 3: this is what's great about my current therapist is really
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  Speaker 3: good at this. If we go somewhere, he can sense
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  Speaker 3: when I'm being avoidant or being sort of, yeah, being
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  Speaker 3: avoidant is the word. And he sort of pulls me
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  Speaker 3: back in and is saying, there's a reason you're being
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  Speaker 3: sort of wishy-washy here or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Was there an initial moment when you noticed them? Like,
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  Speaker 1: was there like one moment that you were like, oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: What with this therapist yeah yeah it was it was
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  Speaker 3: actually I cancelled a session I cancelled two sessions back
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  Speaker 3: to back and he was on on it like giving
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  Speaker 3: me I don't want to say grief grief's the wrong
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  Speaker 3: word but like he was saying I don't we don't
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  Speaker 3: have to do this he was very like forthcoming in
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  Speaker 3: the fact of if you don't want to do this
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  Speaker 3: this is totally fine but it feels like you're not
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  Speaker 3: engaging with this in a way that's um beneficial to
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  Speaker 3: you or to, or like wasting his time as well. So, um,
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  Speaker 3: for me, I was, that was like a, I really,
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  Speaker 3: I really respond to that sort of not letting me
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  Speaker 3: away with shit. Do you know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 3: I find that in sessions now as well. I find
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  Speaker 3: it really, um, beneficial when there's, you know, someone called,
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  Speaker 3: I like when people call me out on my shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cause otherwise I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep shitting.
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  Speaker 3: Keep shitting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'll keep on shitting.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always shitting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dude, the story of my life, you just fucking
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  Speaker 1: literally explained the story of my life. It's like, I'll
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  Speaker 1: fucking get a drum, I'll get some juggling balls, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell a riddle, I'll fucking do whatever I gotta do
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  Speaker 1: for you not to corner me in a fucking serious moment.
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  Speaker 5: 100%, 100%.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's been, I just found that to be really,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, like it was very, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I just felt it was really good for me to
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  Speaker 3: get that sort of response from someone to be like, hmm,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like what you're doing here.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't conducive to a healthy relationship with therapy.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so yeah, that was, it was funny.
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  Speaker 3: That was probably the one that I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is, this seems to be, this might be, this
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  Speaker 3: might be the guy for me. Yeah. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think now I have Tourette's when I, um,
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  Speaker 1: like I, every, this is when I get Tourette's. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm sitting somewhere with my fricking girlfriend or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't think this is working out
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and this is why. And then I just
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  Speaker 1: get Tourette's. I just can't be honest. I just get
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  Speaker 1: so scared to be honest. And I don't really get
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  Speaker 1: Tourette's like you're saying, but it is a form of Tourette's.
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  Speaker 1: It's this get me out of like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to stay in a moment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: with one other person, it's hard for me to stay
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  Speaker 1: in a moment that's not completely in my control.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you ever find
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  Speaker 3: that with like people, I always find I'm really good
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  Speaker 3: in groups, but then sometimes if I'm just one-on-one with someone,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's someone I've known my whole life, I'll
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  Speaker 3: be like, what the fuck did I say to this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what the fuck is your name, mom?
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  Speaker 2: Sitting in the car with my dad, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're standing there with your gran, you're like.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say again to people?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what is the thing you're meant to, how am
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  Speaker 3: I meant to start a conversation with someone?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Even like my best friends.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm a good auxiliary player.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Good sideline player.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I empathize with that situation for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought about it until just now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But that's my Tourette's. It's like this like, and I
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  Speaker 1: literally can feel my fucking skin being like, why are
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  Speaker 1: you keeping us here? You know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And like, yeah. I mean, I remember one time having
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  Speaker 1: a conversation, like a real conversation with a girlfriend in
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  Speaker 1: the car. And I literally put the window down and
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  Speaker 1: hung my fucking arms out of the window like I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get out. Like as much of me as
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  Speaker 1: could be out here needed to not be in this
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  Speaker 1: vehicle having this real moment of me having to commit
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  Speaker 1: to this relationship. I'm going to pee really fast. Can
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  Speaker 1: we take a break for just a minute?
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  Speaker 3: Please.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Head to this tank.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Thanks for sitting. Let's take off. Take a wee. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you guys call it a wee. I took a pee.
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  Speaker 1: Take a wee.
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  Speaker 3: A piss.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Because we're only six hours away from each
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  Speaker 1: other by ocean, and we call it somehow the letter change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucking baffling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a piss or a slash. A slash is a
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  Speaker 3: good one. I'm going for a slash.
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  Speaker 1: Going for a slash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you come
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  Speaker 1: back with blood on your clothes. Your fucking neighbor's missing. See,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy how that changed as well from going to America. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Over there, you're going for a slash. You're just going
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  Speaker 1: to fill up a toilet.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, over here, it's something more sinister.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, over here, you're fucking making a Dateline episode. It's
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  Speaker 1: just crazy how things just really fall off as you
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  Speaker 1: go across the ocean. No, but, man, yeah, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: talking about some of that because even it's helped me think. Like,
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  Speaker 1: some of those things, it's, like, hard to realize until
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  Speaker 1: you get into conversations where you're talking about some of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: this stuff, you know? Yeah, of course, yeah. And then
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  Speaker 1: you got to be careful because your ego will start
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  Speaker 1: to be like, you know what you're talking about. So
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  Speaker 1: that for me is a trap. And I think I
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  Speaker 1: got to like, just like go to more recovery meetings
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. So I don't get just that. I'm the
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  Speaker 1: only voice I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: That's when it gets really scary for me. Like then
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I know something. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, I really enjoy this because we've
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  Speaker 3: been doing the interviews all day and it's very one,
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  Speaker 3: sort of one way. And you start, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you find this, that if you're, doing stuff or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: promo or whatever, but like, you're just talking about yourself
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  Speaker 3: all the time and I feel like it just becomes
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  Speaker 3: this like, I don't know, it just fucks me in
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  Speaker 3: the head slightly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a shitty song, especially if you're a
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  Speaker 1: creative person, I feel like, after a while just talking
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  Speaker 1: about yourself is just a song you've played, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not even, it's just like, pieces of you that,
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like fool's gold, some of it in a way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing I noticed about you, man, is just
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  Speaker 1: even in asking one question to me, it's like... Because
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  Speaker 1: it's really kind of a conversation, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Was drinking or anything like that a part of like
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  Speaker 1: stuff that... Because if you were on the road, like drinking, diet...
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: like not getting massages, massages is something that's helped me.
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  Speaker 1: Were there things that you had to adjust that were
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  Speaker 1: also creating more havoc for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I definitely drank too much initially, like
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  Speaker 3: with my, I basically had cut out booze completely when
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  Speaker 3: we were on tour on these, like for the last,
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  Speaker 3: like 2022, I'd say I stopped drinking when I was
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  Speaker 3: on tour or whatever. or 2023 I can't remember but
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  Speaker 3: um yeah because booze like I like having a good
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  Speaker 3: time oh yeah I love having a good time and
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoy I wouldn't be someone who sits by
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  Speaker 3: themselves and has like smashes beers or whatever I'm much
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  Speaker 3: more social like the social aspect of boozing and going
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  Speaker 3: out and having a nice time and stuff so but
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  Speaker 3: yeah definitely um I wouldn't say I was a problem
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  Speaker 3: drinker but it was definitely getting in the way there
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  Speaker 3: was an amazing um thing that a guy we were
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: supporting um sam smith on tour in 2018 and the
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  Speaker 3: monitor engineer was a guy called lee was it lee
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  Speaker 3: remember lee and he said um uh to me you
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  Speaker 3: remember the remember this thing he was like you can
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  Speaker 3: get fucked up and you can fuck up but don't
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  Speaker 3: fuck up because you were fucked up and i feel
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  Speaker 3: like that's really stuck with me and there has been
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  Speaker 3: times where i have done that like i have fucked
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  Speaker 3: up because i was fucked yeah yeah fucked up i
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  Speaker 3: mean and i feel like for me that was, but
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  Speaker 3: as something that always ruminate, like sort of like ruminates
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  Speaker 3: around in my head and I feel, um, yeah, I've
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  Speaker 3: definitely had to like curtail my abusing at times and
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  Speaker 3: be a bit more, um, uh, responsible, responsible. Yeah. Choose
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  Speaker 3: my battles with it a little bit more if, cause
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  Speaker 3: there's always an excuse to go out and, and have a,
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  Speaker 3: have a nice time and go have a drink or
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  Speaker 3: do this or that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm sort of all or nothing with
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  Speaker 2: it a bit.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? I'm not, again, not
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  Speaker 3: like a, like I'm an alkyd. I just, if I'm
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  Speaker 3: going out, I'm going out. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's also part of you guys'
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  Speaker 1: culture a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Like the binge drinking in the UK is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: like a, feels like a bigger thing than.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you forgot your fucking grandmother.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: No judgment. Nan, we miss you.
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  Speaker 3: Margaret, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We miss you, Margaret, Melissa. Yeah, yeah. We miss both
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But look.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you fucking drank so much through your
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  Speaker 1: childhood that you don't remember your grandmother, yeah, dude. People
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  Speaker 1: aren't shocked if you're like, hey, I think I just
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  Speaker 1: need to have some checks and balances for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, and like you say, diet and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that has been important. I'm trying not to eat
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  Speaker 3: as much shite. I've lost, I don't know what it
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  Speaker 3: would be in pounds, two stone cents. What is two
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  Speaker 3: stone in pounds?
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  Speaker 1: Two cents, 40 pounds, I think. Let's take a gander
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  Speaker 1: at it. Two, 28 pounds.
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  Speaker 3: 28 pounds since the start of the year, which I'm
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  Speaker 3: kind of nice about. Yeah, I feel good about that.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to lose more and stuff, but the
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  Speaker 3: problem with it, when you're really fat, because I was
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  Speaker 3: 20 stone at the start of the year, so what
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  Speaker 3: is that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm giving my weight away here. I was 280 pounds
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  Speaker 2: at the start of the year.
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  Speaker 1: How do you understand that guy? You heard him? uses
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  Speaker 1: no letters at all in his words. Fucking two letters,
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  Speaker 1: 11 words. God, I would never figure you out in
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  Speaker 1: a crossword puzzle. I'd never fucking if you had a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: crossword puzzle it'd be this big 70 words in it
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  Speaker 1: i'm just joking man but yeah but yeah so i'm
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  Speaker 1: trying i'm trying to like get on top of that
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  Speaker 1: stuff and just really um uh yeah sort that stuff
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  Speaker 1: out as well but obviously it's a process and Do
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  Speaker 1: you have like, do you have like a, like more
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  Speaker 1: of a team now supporting you? Or did you have
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  Speaker 1: to bring other people on? I mean, you said you
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: got a therapist. Now you work with some.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother's training me at the minute.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: The brother that I text and stuff. He's like a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: qualified personal trainer now.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: So he's been coming down to London and training me
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So that's been lovely. And with
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: diet and stuff, he's been helping, et cetera.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: You feel better about it?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel better about it. I'm not, I hate it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I hate exercising.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sucks.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I fucking hate it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Like it's, I mean, people can probably tell by looking
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: at me, but like I'm not, I fucking hate it.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, there's this, pull up my TikTok to save ones.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: There was this dude the other day, he had the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: funniest thing that I saw on there. It's kind of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: like a black guy, about 30 years old, but it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: was pretty good.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Save TikToks. Hood Easter Bunny.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Sex human implanted with Neuralink plays a game. Scary study
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: about microplastics.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: This is a real.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is behind the scenes of my brain.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: You're getting inside the brain here.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that until just now. This is a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: little bit alarming.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: I ain't going to lie.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: You never realize how long a minute is. Until your
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: ass start fucking exercising.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: It's so true. It's so true.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Honestly.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: You never realize how long a minute is.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: When you do like a plank.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: You're like, what the fuck?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Fuck me.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's intense.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: We got all the time in the world. Who is
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: that guy? I just want to say his name.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Richie Gatz. Richie Gatz.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Richie Gatz.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Shout out Richie Gatz.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Shout out Richie Gatz. That's hilarious, dude. Dude, you have
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: to get on a bunch of medication. You're right.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: I'm on an antipsychotic just now called aripiprazole. I was
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: on antidepressants. I was on sertraline, which I think is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Zoloft over here.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm on there.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: That was interesting.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Really, I.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Couldn't, it didn't really, it just made me numb.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can't feel a lot.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can't feel a lot. And really, I couldn't get
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: like a hard-on to save my life.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and when I did, it would be like this,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: it would be like a roller coaster that just kept
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: going up. oh it never came down oh god damn
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: it was like it was an intense period of time
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: um but i uh but i yeah so i came
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: off that but then the thing is coming off it
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: is like an as really an intense experience unreal and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: no one really gave me that heads up so i
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: was like really like low and and sort of i
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: i wouldn't say i've ever i'm always really um careful
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: about using the word depressed or whatever, but it's the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: closest I've felt to that feeling, I feel like, in
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary. It feels like a trap door inside
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: of you opened up, like, right in the middle of you.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking spot on.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Like, it was so, yeah, so, so intense. So, yeah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I was on that for a bit. I don't think
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I maybe needed to be on that, especially for as
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: long as I was and for the dose I was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: on or whatever. But, yeah, I'm only on this apiprazole antipsychotics, like,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: five milligrams. It was really scary when they were, like,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: when they offered it.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Up yeah because it sounds scary.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Anti-psychotic I'm like I'm not I'm not psychotic I.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Hope he was doing better than that yeah 100% yeah
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: but I yeah but I'm on it now and at
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: 5mg before I go to bed and it's and it's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: helped changed my life genuinely really yeah yeah it's genuinely
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: been a massive massive help just in everything like my
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: mood anxiety levels are so low these days i'm just
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: the stress that i used to feel i don't feel
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the stress i mean i don't know if it's all
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: related to this or other choices i guess it's an
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: amalgamation of things right but um that's amazing though what's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: that called aripiprazole shit maybe i'll try it get on
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: that shit oh yeah i'll buy a bag of that.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah what are the uses can we go down the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: uses that treat a range of.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Mental aripiprazole is used to treat a range of mental
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: health conditions Tourette's. Schizophrenia, bipolar one, major depressive disorder, irritability
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: associated with autism spectrum disorder. And Tourette's, there you go.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Made it in the very end.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just snuck in there. Snuck in there at the end.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: As the door was closing, slid on my knees.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe I would try that, man. Oh, what do you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: think about your songs being used for like on The
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Voice and stuff like that?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it, man.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: In these foreign countries, though.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. This is beautiful. This is a really lovely thing.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: It is cool.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Can you write this?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I wrote a song, yeah.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I wrote this one, yeah.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, and he got to turn around. Come on there.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Well, hope so. It's a damn kid.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: At least turn around and tell him, give him some
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Uber money. These are rich people.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: No, this is incredible. I think this is beautiful.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? This is like a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: really nice use of it and stuff. And he's great.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: He's incredible.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Wow, dude.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Imagine how brave you have to be to be that
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: age and to be able to continue to stand there
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: and sing.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: Go on.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Pretty good.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I think you should sell the song to him.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I love all this.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's cool, man. Yeah, this is cool, man. I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: This.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Look at him just channeling.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a little bit too good, though.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Fucking just relax. Just calm down a little bit.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, huh? Somebody throw him a fricking rugby ball.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Put him on the pitch and see who he really is.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Just getting a little bit too fucking good for my liking.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's beautiful.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: No, that's amazing.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: And what's that young man's name? Wow.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Bjarne. Bjarne? Bjarne.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Go on beyond go on beyond that's amazing man yeah
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you know i i just think it's interesting even watching
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: that it's like music's just such a it's like just
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: such a conduit for other people to feel you know
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: and it's crazy that the words can come out of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: some person some pin some a moment of feeling and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: then it it can metastasize.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: And this thing i think um you never expect like
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: when you're writing the song you're not thinking about that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: you're not thinking someone will sing this on a TV
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: show in Germany or, or a TV show, like they
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: did it in the mass singer and stuff over here.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: And it's just like, it feels really, um, I guess
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: it's like an honor that people would take it and,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: and want to sing it like that.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Especially someone who's like a 10 year old kid.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Pretty, um, pretty spectacular. So, um, yeah, I love it, man.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I just want to, anything that gets, and the thing
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: is getting the music out there and it's people are
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: hearing it and, Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's, yeah.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: It's amazing when that starts to happen. Do, is it
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: tough to try to like, whenever you recalibrate to write again, right?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: When you recalibrate, um, I know you have a new
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: song that survived, no, uh, survived. It just came out. Um,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Is it tough to, and congrats, it's great, man.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Thanks, man.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I just started listening to it. So sometimes it takes
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: me a bit, even with songs. I'll listen to somebody's
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: album the first time, but like that's trash. Two weeks later,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I will be fucking.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I'm the exact same.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Crying in fucking back of my car.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the exact same.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: By myself, dude. I drove myself there and then got
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: in the back and cried. Like this is bad, but
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: the music's good. What, is it hard to recalibrate? Like,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: do you feel like you have to write for the like,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: now you write, trying to write for the stars. Like,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: how does that get? That's gotta be interesting. Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: I think, um, I'm not like a massive, uh, fan of,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up. I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: wanted to play live gigs and I, so it became
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: a thing of, um, right. Everyone I know who plays
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: live gigs, who I look up to is like singers
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: or whatever. They all have their own songs. So I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: will write my own songs. And then everyone I know
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: who at the time, who I looked up to, they
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: all played guitar. So I'll learn how to play guitar
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: so that I need to learn the guitar so I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: can write songs to then play them live. Do you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? So it was always just a,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: everything was a means to them to get on stage
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: and play live. So even now I'm like, when I'm in,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: you know, studios or whatever, I find that I do
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: struggle a lot with like writing. That song there took
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: me like a year to finish. that thing of people saying,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: you know, and I do get it. The best songs
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: come the quickest or whatever, but that's like my biggest song.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: And that's, that took me so long. And I think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: there is something to be said for, you know, persevering
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: with stuff like that a little bit. But, so yeah,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: when I get back to writing now, it is, sometimes
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: it's really difficult. Like I really have a hard time, just,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: I find it hard sometimes to, get what i'm thinking
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: articulate what i'm what i'm trying to say i suppose
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: yeah um and i find that in lots of different
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: walks of life or whatever but um with yeah with
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: writing especially i i don't find it as easy as
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: maybe i think i overthink things now a lot more
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: and yes because i feel that people might actually hear
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: this thing that i'm making do you.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Know what i mean whereas before for sure before it.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: Was like no kind of fucking lesson that's what i
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: mean so um I really now overthink things. But again,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: this is something I'm trying to unlearn and sort of
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: get back to sort of of basics and just write
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: for me and because I want to write and because
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: I want to play and stuff like that. So yeah,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: it's always a bit of a difficult thing for me.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: I don't find it, I don't wake up, I have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: to write something today.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: That doesn't like, uh not always in it not always
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: anyway right i feel like um you've.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Got to follow the feelings when you do have them.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: So for example i haven't written a song in like
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: six months recently yeah so for the last six months
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: i've not written anything good for you though yeah yeah
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: i feel like it was important to not to just
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: take a bit of a break off but i don't
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: know if it's the same way like when you're in
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: stand-up or.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Oh i think there's times like i'm looking forward to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: taking a little bit of a break but at the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: same time there's a part of me that's looking forward
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: to starting with new stuff. So I'm just grateful that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: that little part of me exists. Cause there's times that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I still want to do this. Or,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we all kind of feel those
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: things at certain moments of like taking a break from something.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Will it still be there when we come back?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Um, but then let's say the absence that makes you,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: when you miss it, that's a massive thing as well.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: And missing that sort.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Of, um, where you hear somebody write a great joke
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I got to give it, I got
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: to try again. Like the other day I heard Chris
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Rock talking and I was like, oh, he's just my favorite.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: And him and Louis CK. And I was like, oh man,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I just can't even believe, like I got to get
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: out there and try again and see what else is
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: inside of me. If there's more than I'm capable of,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily like a competitive thing.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's that I always find them when I hear,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: if a friend of mine writes an amazing song and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: I hear it on the radio, I go, fuck, that's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: so incredible. It's not like, I'm not wanting to, I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: need to be better than them. It's like, oh, I'd
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: love to try and write something that comes anywhere close
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: to how great that is. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Or just to see what's in me. I have no
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: idea what's inside of me. Fuck, I didn't know anything
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: was inside of me.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You know, and then some shit came out and, you know,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: and it's been in it. So yeah, just like trying
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's inside of me. Is there a
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: lyric that you've ever written that you feel really proud of?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Kind of like, is there one that's... There's like a.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Song I wrote called How I'm Feeling Now, which I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: wrote when I was really in the sort of shit
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: with stuff. And the lyric is, so here's to my
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied. No
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: sense of self, but self-obsessed. I'm always trapped inside my
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: fucking head. On and on and on. I thought I'd
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: be happier somehow if you were wondering how I'm feeling now.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of about like my... how I was
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: feeling in terms of I've got everything I ever wanted
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: and I'm this like yeah I'm so sad do you
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: know what I mean I don't feel how I thought
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: I would feel when I got to this point so
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: that's something I'm really proud of there's also a song
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: on this upcoming this upcoming we're doing an EP at
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: the minute we're releasing a bunch of stuff and there's
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: a song called The Day That I Die that I'm
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: really really proud of it's just like yeah it's a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: bit it's about that time when I was really feeling
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: at my lowest that I'm really excited for people to hear.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: No, I'm buzzing. I'm buzzing about getting out there and
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: seeing what people think.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I wonder, I'm trying to think like, I love, uh,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I like a lot of like, uh, like UK, like, um,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: like Dermot Kennedy came on the podcast. Dude, that'd be,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: if you and him did a collaboration, that'd be pretty amazing.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: He's, he's incredible. He's so good. Dermot and I, we
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: were releasing stuff. We kind of, come up around the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: same time, especially in that UK, Ireland sort of scene
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: and stuff. But he is, his voice is like, if I,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: when I was growing up, if there was an artist
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: like Dan McKenna, that was the sort of artist that
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: I would have been like all in on.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: That would have been like my sort of, that's my
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: type of shit.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Like his last song, Let Me In or something, I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: think it's called.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: It's brilliant. It's an amazing, amazing song.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Let me take a gander at it real quick.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: Let Me In.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: I could have stayed, never went home.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: It might have been brief, but at least I was
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: free from all of my ghosts.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: That live in my head like reflections on water that
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: only come once. I still haven't learned deceptions in the
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: cinematic version of love. I can't get enough these days
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: All the world doesn't sing to me Quite.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: How it used to seem.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: This life is a touch too damn much for me
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's meant for me Cause I know there's a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: room where I'm happy But I can't find my way.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: To the door Tell me who.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: Wins the war In my heart and my head I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: forgot what I'm suffering.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: For He's great, man.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, if you guys did, there'd be no tears.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: They'd be, the oceans would be full. If you and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Dermot Kennedy did a song together, the oceans would be full, man.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: It'd be done. It'd be a wrap. It'd be 100%
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: salt water for the planet. We're done. The deserts are done.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I'd love to, man.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Or James Blake. Did you ever listen to James Blake?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I love James Blake as well. Yeah, retrograde and stuff
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys had like a, I'm just trying
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: to think of things that I like. Sorry, I'm trying to, No, no, please.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Or just like an up, because then it would be like,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: or like, I wonder if he's ever done any remix
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: of your stuff. I don't know, I'm just thinking of like,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I guess British artists that I know. But James is
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: such a.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: You ever listen to Sam Fender?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Sam Fender?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Sam Fender's incredible. Kind of like, he's got that sort
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: of like Bruce Springsteen-y thing going on. And so he's fucking,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: he's probably like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: in the UK just now.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Is he really? Yeah, he's, I went to see him
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: at fucking.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: at London Stadium recently. He's a fucking special, special, special artist.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Wow. And it says he just cancelled shows. He had
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: mental health.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what's so funny? It's
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: become every single, this is again, not to go back
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: to like fame or whatever, or even just, it's really
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: kind of sad, but like every person I know who's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: achieved something that they grew up, aiming for or dreaming
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: of or whatever seems to have this sort of seems
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: to struggle with it when it when they.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Get it well i think i think we're at a
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: time where there's never been as much coverage of things
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: yeah there's never been we've never been in this time
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: before yeah as society we've had people that have had
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: popularity and fame over years right um or have achieved
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: different amazing things or interesting things um but we've never
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: had this much coverage this much uh I think this
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: much reflection of ourselves maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: think people are suffering from it at all. I think
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of people are dealing with that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: at all levels.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: At all levels of their lives. But it is kind
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: of fascinating because every generation you're into a new experience.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: So how does fame fit in this world when the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: reflection in the pond has gotten so much bigger?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. But yeah, something upbeat. Like if you guys
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: and James Blake did like a trap, just something like fucking,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you know, because he does like some, I'm just thinking
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: of interesting things that I like. But I'll have to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: check out Sam Fender. Yeah, you do. Let me think.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you another. Oh, do you have
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: a brother? You have a brother?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I've got two brothers and a sister. I'm the youngest
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: of four.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: And what are they like?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: They're good, man. They're great.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we're all two years apart.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, same in my family.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how many are you?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Four total, two and two. Oh, is it?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking brilliant. There you are.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Any hardies in your... It's an old American joke, you know?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: It's an old Catholic joke. I'm Catholic as well. Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, brother.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Good on you, sir.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's us.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go right there.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: That's me on the left there with the big ears.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. Christ, I got some myself, lad.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: That's a good noise to make.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: We'll be fine. Oh, mine can hear yours. I'm a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: hundred bigger. Okay. Take me left to right. That's you
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: right there. And when's this picture taken? Do you know?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: I must be about two there. So maybe like 1998, 1999.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm totally fucking guessing, but that's my sister,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Danny there. That's my brother, Warden.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Warden?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: Warden.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: W-A-R-E-N.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, Warden.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: Warden.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: And that's Aiden on the right there. But yeah, they're great.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Like I love them.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: What are they like? What does Danny like to do?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Uh, she likes to, she's a very social person. She's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: very outgoing, very funny.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, beautiful lady.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Um, and uh, yeah, they're all, uh, yeah, they're all great.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Like we get on.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: And what about Warren? Is he all right?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. He's a, he, he was a musician,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: so he kind of got me into sort of, uh,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: music and stuff like that.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: He was sort of the, um, I guess the catalyst
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: for all.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was an older brother.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: He's the oldest.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, everybody wants to be like their older brother.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Of course, man.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: He's a, yeah, he's amazing. He's a great guy. And, um,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Aiden as well, the closest, me and Aiden used to
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: share a room. So we were probably like, let's see,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: maybe the closest of the four of us. But it's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: a weird, it's an interesting one. Cause it's like, I do,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: obviously we do anything, but if one of them phoned
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: me and was like, do you want to go for
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: a beer? I'd be like, what's happened?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: What's going on here? So that sort of relationship, but they're, uh,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: but yeah, they're great. That's amazing. Very, very close family.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: My mom and dad as well.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: It's a really, um, Yes, a nice sort of support
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: network to have.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw some of your family on the documentary,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, on Netflix.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool to see.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: They're great. My dad and my mum are very no-nonsense, like, yeah,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: working class.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: They're Scots, huh?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, proper, proper, proper, yeah, just salt of
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: the earth people. And I feel like that's really helped. Like,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: they're very self-deprecating. We all take the piss out of
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: each other. stuff like that. So it feels, um, yeah,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: that's really sort of shaped, I guess, who I am
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: these days. Do you know what I mean? But it's, they're,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: they're a great, it's amazing to have them because I
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: speak to them most, my mom and dad, especially I
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: speak to them most, most days.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: I tried to anyway. Um, but yeah, it's, um, they're great.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Nice man.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: It is so nice to include them too. Um, you
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: were working with BetterHelp. I want to, do you want
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: to say that before you leave? Cause they, they sponsor
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: our program a lot and, um, we'll have them in
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: this episode too. Um, but you are working with BetterHelp
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: to give away.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 734,000 free hours of therapy is the thing. It
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: was like, so it's an hour, a thousand hours for
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: every single day that I took off and I was
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: away from touring and all the rest of it. I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: just felt like therapy was such a positive experience for
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: me and things that I did and really, yeah, it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: just really made me feel quite.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: It's just got me back to where I was.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about it. It's something that's part
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: of your life now. Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: And I feel like if I can sort of give people,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: because I don't necessarily think therapy is for everybody at all.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Some things are better left in a box under the bed.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Talking about you, Ireland.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: It's just a joke. But the shame in Ireland, fuck,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: they should have a fucking, they should have a land.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: The Catholic guilt.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: The Catholic guilt. Yeah. They should be, Ireland should be
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: sponsored by BetterHelp.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and I feel like if I could open
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: up any sort of door for someone to try therapy
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: for the first time or get, because sometimes it's expensive
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: And in the UK, obviously we've got the NHS free healthcare,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: but sometimes that's like overrun at the minute and people
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: are really struggling to get seen and get therapy through
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: the NHS and stuff sometimes and people might not have
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: the means to go private or what else. So yeah,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: it was just one of these things. In fact, fucking
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: shout out to BetterHelp for being up for it and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: being sort of... yeah, being so forthcoming and, and being
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: sound enough to, to do the, to do this with us.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: I think it's, um, yeah, hopefully it helps some people.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Even just having that first experience with therapy, you know,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and learning what it's about. And then also not feeling like, okay,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: now I have a therapist that this has to be perfect.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: It's just like a relationship in life. You try and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: find a good relationship. You find one that fits, but
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: you also don't want one that fits too great because
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: then it can just be a place of comfort where, um,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you're like, I liked a little bit of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: conflict with my therapist. Cause then I would be like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: there'd be times I'd be sitting with my therapist and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, I would want to say like, at
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: first I'd be like, I want to, I didn't like
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: what they just said. Right. Say they said something. I
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: don't like what they said. Yeah. But instead of saying that,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I would just get quiet. Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: But then finally one day I was like, I didn't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: like what you just said to me. Right.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: And then they were like, okay, that's great, right? Let's
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: work with that.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Opens up a conversation.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Right. But instead, I'd always been this other way, like, oh,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't want to hurt their feelings or this type
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: of thing, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: But once I was able to change, and I realized, oh,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: that's their job.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the breakthrough.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: They're hoping for that because it gives them something to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: work with. I was operating with this different thing, like, oh,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: everything's supposed to be completely kind of copacetic, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: For sure, man. Yeah. What else did I want to say?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: That's about it. You have a tour. Well, I could
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: talk to you forever, man.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Thank you so much for having us on.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. It's so cool. I was so excited about this, man.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: I think a couple of years ago we started kind
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: of DMing each other and stuff. And I just like, yeah,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for all the music that helps
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: us feel, you know?
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. And thank you for fucking everything you do.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: Like this podcast, like I'm listening every week.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like a- Oh, class, man.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: No, but it has been really fucking helpful for me
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: in times as well. So I really appreciate it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: You bet, dude. Yeah, I can't even believe we get
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: to do this shit, you know? This great shit.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: This great shit, yeah.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, God. But no, dude, it's cool, dude. It's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: cool that we get to sit here and talk about
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, I'm excited for the new tour. So
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you're about to go to Australia, right?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've just announced the Australia tour. We've got a
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: UK tour in September as well.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: And was this stuff that was on the docket and
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: you had to cancel it before?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: The Australia tour is almost the exact same tour that
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: we cancelled last year. but um so yeah that's that
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: one but the uk is just a fresh one sort
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: of get us tuned up a bit and get us
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: back into the swing of things and then yeah hopefully
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: america next year and do some bits and bobs and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: i just want to do as much as fucking possible
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: i'm like i'm back now and i really want to
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: just dig in a bit yeah and get things fucking
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: get things going again so um yeah man i'm fucking excited.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Well as fans we'll be here when you get to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: us you know so don't you know don't feel like
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta you know welcome back yeah man or whatever
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: i don't what the fuck am i talking about i
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: don't know shit uh yeah i think everybody's just glad
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: you're feeling good and uh excited to hear what you
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: do you know and whatever you don't do you're already
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: great man thank you man yeah louis capaldi man thank
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: you brother.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you to you man honestly what a pleasure yeah.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: Cheers and margaret margaret not melissa sorry mom for forgetting
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: that there you are godspeed woman.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: bones