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Feral People of the Appalachian Mountains & Missing People with John Vandeventer · The Cryptid Huntress

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this there we go. Hey, everybody, welcome in to a Glitch of
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Do I have a wild and crazy show for us today. We're gonna be
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talking about feral humans, feral people potentially getting confused as wild men or being
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wild men of the forest and wild women can't leave them out. Uh and
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uh yeah, this is this is gonna be, like I said, a
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everybody. Well, I think that takes care of most of the business for
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today, so let's get into our topic today. We are going to be
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exploring feral people of the Appalachian Mountains and worldwide. Actually, okay, we're
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going to focus on the Appalachian Mountains. That's where I do a lot of
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my bigfoot research. But we've got John Vandaventer here with the historical and recent
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reports of wild men and women in the region. Could these reports be describing
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type force sasquatch or feral humans. There are reports of hikers going missing in
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the Smoky Mountains. Could they be being taken by feral humans? We're going
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to explore that today. John Vandaventer is the author of the Relics book series.
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He's originally from Plano, Texas. He's a sixteen year old year veteran
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of the United States Air Force. Okay, his books are all about UFOs
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and Bigfoot. He lives near na hut Ho Nubby. I can never get
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that right, this Ho Nubby, Oklahoma. He writes about it in his
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books. So I have with me here today my friend John Vinceaventu. Good
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afternoon, Hey John, thank you for being here today. Thank you for
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having me again. Of course, of course, so I figured you might
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know a little something about feral humans. I don't know. I don't know
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why I felt inclined to ask you to join me for this particular show.
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I just feel like you and I had to have a really fun conversation about
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feral humans today. John, Well, you know, it's funny when you
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brought up the subject, I started thinking, Well, when I moved out
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here back in twenty eighteen, I figured out there's some people that live There's
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a lady lives down the road one direction. She doesn't have running water or
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electricity, and there's some guys that live the other direction and they don't either.
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And I'm thinking, you know, coming from the city out here,
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that seemed kind of feral to me when I first got out of here.
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You know, now I realize there's a lot of people out in these here
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that are living that way. So but as far as just straight up barrel,
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yeah, that's an interesting topic. Oh yeah, super interesting topic.
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And uh, you know, I just a few years ago I watched this
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movie is called The Hills Have Eyes. Okay, The Hills Have Eyes.
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That might be my first introduction into like real feral humans and kind of how
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they're described. It's it's a little scary, i gotta say, especially coming
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from a big foot filled researcher who spends a lot of time out in the
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National Forest Okay, and in all the woods and all over the United States,
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mostly in the Southeast but my stopping grounds are the Appalachian Mountains. And
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not only are we getting reports of velociraptors, we're getting reports of and I've
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experienced bigfoots, dog men, terosaurs, and feral humans. Now, okay,
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so feral humans, and I think those feral humans go way back,
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I mean, And then this day and time, John, I gotta say,
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being living off grid sounds more exciting every day for me, Like I
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wouldn't mind living off grid. But there's a difference between living off grid and
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being feral. Okay, living off grid is like no electricity, you know,
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and still having some kind of you know, kind of having some civility,
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you know what I mean, and organizations and people that live off grid
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as well. On the other side of the mountain here and actually there's two
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couples and but they have solar panels on their house and things like that,
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and they're seem to be really happy with it. I don't know if I
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want to go to the route of no power whatsoever and no running water like
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the people I mentioned earlier. But and you talk about feral people, and
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you know, to me, that's a lifestyle that can be forced upon people.
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You know, people lose their jobs, people get shunned by their family
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or friends for whatever reason. We've had them here. We've had people that
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wanted by the police, have warrants, and they'll go out in these hills
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and try to survive for two or three months, you know, and eventually
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they'll get caught sneaking down, breaking into somebody's house or something like that.
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But you know, for maybe every ten of those, there might be one
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that makes it go speral. But then you know, in the Appalachians,
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as I was doing a little research on this morning, because this is one
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of my strong suits, but you know, they were referring to clans and
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people that are feral, So that's a that's a whole different ball too.
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I mean to me, that could could be a real problem. Yeah,
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they're aggressive towards other humans, be a problem, and they're just out there
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wanting to be left alone. That's something entirely different. Oh yeah, okay,
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so what what what my team and I we have to really watch out
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for. When I when I say that, like, I'm not as scared
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of big Foot as I am of I am referring to exactly what you're talking
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about. Okay, And I always go out in the woods, very well
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prepared to protect myself if needed, if you know what I mean. But
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I'm we as a team have encountered people hiding out in the woods. I
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mean, there's all sorts of peopun and the people have every right to be
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out in those national forests wherever they're at if they want to be, but
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there are serial killers out there. We had some cases here in Georgia of
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a man that had you know, unalived a couple of people and was found
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up in one of the forests where we do some of our big footing,
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so we really have to be really careful about that. Also, not too
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long ago, I think it was about a year ago, there was a
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couple driving through a forest road OWTN in Alabama at the Talladega National Forests,
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and they were flagged down by a couple of women. They weren't feral by
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any means, but they were off grid livers apparently, and they are saying
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that they were having car troubles. They pulled a couple over, ended up
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holding them at gunpoint, and one of the people did pass away. There
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was a shootout, okay, and uh and and the when the police got
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there and the search dogs got out in the woods. They found an entire
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community of off grid livers out there. You know that we're living off the
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land in a national forests. Okay, So it's uh, it's it's just
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just a first of all, it's kind of a harsh reality. Because of
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the economy and everything, there's gonna be a lot of people out in those
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forests that wouldn't normally be out there probably living. So yeah, but like
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I said, there's a difference between Ferrell and off grid right right there is,
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and then Beryl too. I mean, we're getting where we had Beryl.
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Individuals in big cities, you know, the homeless. Uh you look
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at like Jeffrey Dahmer. I mean, yes, he lived in an apartment
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and he lived in a city, but he was killing in eating people.
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I mean that's ferreal. He just made you know it. I don't know,
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it's really not a state of geography, I think as much as it's
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a state of mind or a state of insanity. You know that you're out
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eating people and killing them. But you take Jerry Jeffrey Dahmer and put him
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in the woods, and he's exactly what you're talking about. Basically. Oh,
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Oh, that's a good point, okay, because I was doing my
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research on this, Okay, I was doing a lot of research, and
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I was finding that the feral people, a lot of people who are living
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feral in the woods like these, like you said, clans of feral humans,
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particularly the Smoky Mountains let's just say Smokey Mountains and the Appalachian Mountains and
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Smoky Mountains are kind of like Tennessee area. They're cannibals. Some of them
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have been said to be cannibals. And this dates back, I mean all
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over the world feral humans a lot of times they are cannibalistic. And so
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yeah, that's a great analogy right there of Jeffrey Dahmer being out in the
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middle of the woods. Right before the show, my friend Barry Lyttleton uh
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sent me a link to a video about a couple who had been out in
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the in the woods somewhere here in the US. They didn't give their location
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away, but they said that they were attacked by feral men and some bigfoots
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actually saved their lives. Now, the validity of that, I don't know.
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I didn't do my research on it. I don't know if it was
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a true story or made up, but the story went. They said that
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that a couple of bigfoots or they did. I don't know. I think
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they said bigfoots. They said giants. They called them giants kind of fended
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fended those feral men off of them, like they had spears and everything.
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They were like aborigines or something like. They looked very primitive. They had
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primitive tools, but they were trying to unlive those people and the primitive tools
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or the giants, the feral people had spears. Yeah, they were out
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for blood actually, and they were afraid they were going. And the lady
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said in the in the interview, she said that she saw that one of
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the guys had what she she thought were human teeth on a necklace. Really
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yeah, yeah, so yeah, well, you know you're talking about and
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again kind of in relation to Jeffrey don probably the most feral human I can
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think of, and as a movie character of book character is Hannibal Electer.
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I mean, yeah, yeah, he was in jail or he was a
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doctor, and he got around society, but that dude was feral. Oh
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yeah, oh yeah, Well, you know what comes to my mind when
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I when I hear about feral humans. I think of all these children.
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Okay, there's been a lot of children over the years. I mean we're
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talking about hundreds of thousands of years. You know, kids have been left
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alone in the woods, whether that was they were being in they were long
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and John, you and I did a show about children who had been lost
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in the woods and they were taken care of by bears, right by bears,
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So they were taken care of by an animals. So now I did
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remote view that and those cases appeared to be Sasquatch. Okay, they did
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appear to be taken care of by sasquatch, but they were calling them bears
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for lack of knowledge, not knowing what they were. But it's funny,
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you say, you know about Smoky Mountains or the Appalachian Mountains, and Smokey's
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a part of the Appalachian Mountains, are they not. Yes? Yeah,
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Well, when I first started researching for my very first book, I happened
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to bond and I was listening to Coast to Coast Radio and ad David Poliitis
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on, And this was before I knew he had been a big poot researcher,
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and I was just listening to the show and he was plugging in his
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newest book Missing for one one. This is back when it was new,
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and I'll never forget. One of the cases they went over in that on
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that radio show was the disappearance of Dennis Martin is nine year old boy and
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man, that just gave me the creeps, and that made me think,
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that just kind of put another spin on the Bigfoot story for me and saying,
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well, I wonder if he got snatched by a big pout or you
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know what happened. But that was that was a eary case and that really
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kind of fueled my fire more to get the book done. Yeah, there
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you go. And I don't know, it just added a level of creepiness
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to the to the Bigfoot research. And so when I wrote the first novel,
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Relics, I had a you know it was it wasn't a kid,
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but I had a grown man disappear in the same fashion, and it was
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just creepy. Story gave me the creeps. I never thought about people just
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disappearing in the woods like that. Okay, I'm so glad you brought that
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case up, because I've done I've done a little research on this and when
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you look up feral humans online and the Appalachian Mountains too. Uh, this
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story pops up, there's no getting around it. Okay, the faral humans
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and this is a little boy. This case has never been solved according to
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officials. Okay. Now, the locals have a different take on it.
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And I have also researched some of the what the locals say about what happened
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to this little boy. Boy. Their stories are different, Okay, but
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there's there's several things that could have happened to this child. And so let's
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just get into it. Let's talk about this because I think this is an
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important story and we'll also get into in the future after we covered this case,
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we'll get into some of the other feral people, faral children throughout history,
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feral humans and all these wild men we got like the Tennessee wild Man,
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the Kentucky Wildman, the o Cheesy Pond wild Man. Okay, there's
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because there's wild men and wild women all over the United States. There were
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reports of them for very for you know, centuries, Okay. Okay,
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So Dennis Martin is a six year old. He was a six year old
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little boy out of Knoxville, Tennessee. He was visiting the Great Smoky Mountains
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National Park with his grandfather, his father, and his older brother on Father's
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Day weekend back in nineteen sixty nine. Okay, and this is his picture
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right here. The family height from K's Cove to Russell Field and camped overnight.
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The next day, they hiked a Spence Field near the Appalachian Trail,
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where they planned to spend the night. The little boy disappeared on June the
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fourteenth, while planning on surprising the adults. This was around four thirty in
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the afternoon. He was planning on surprising the adults with his brother and other
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children from a separate family that the Martins were camping with. He was last
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seen by his father going behind a bush to hide, intending on surprising the
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adults with the other kids. After his dad didn't see him for about five
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minutes, when all the other kids had come back to the camp, the
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father became concerned. He started searching for them for him, he ran down
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the trail for about two miles. He decided the kid couldn't have gotten any
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farther, so for several hours or after several hours, they got the park
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rangers to come and help look for the little boy. The search efforts included
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the National Guard, the Green Berets, but they found no trace and of
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course, the heavy rains started during the first day of the search. There
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was a heavy fog and amiss the second day, which, by the way,
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John correlates with a lot of these missing four one one cases from David
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Politis book. There's usually some kind of storm, some rain that hinders the
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search efforts that day or the next day, and in this case it was
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both days. But footprints were found in the area but were dismissed because there
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were boy scouts that were out there helping to locate this little boy. So
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they figured it with some of the little boys that were out there helping to
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look for him. Eventually, eventually a child size footprints led to a stream
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where they disappeared. The track indicated that one foot was barefoot while the other
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like a man size print, and the other was a child's shoeprint that matched
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his little foot. Okay, okay, So the money he was offered for,
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you know, to help find this little boy, he was he was
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never found, Okay, never found. I think at some point there was
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a person years later that was searching for gen Sync and said that he found
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some child's remains, but he didn't report it because he didn't want to go
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to jail for harvesting gen sinc off out of a national forest. Okay,
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that's illegal. Okay, I guess it's illegal. I don't know. I'm
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sure somebody will correct me in the chat. It was not illegal. You're
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not supposed to but okay, So people are saying, well, he probably
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would became lost and he died from exposure. He might have been attacked by
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a bear or a feral pig, or he was abducted by a person.
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Right. That was That was pretty much what happened. What the conclusion was.
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Okay, well, all right, so if you do if you do
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your research, you'll see that the locals have a different story to what happened
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to this little this little boy. We'll see what. I don't know if
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you got this in your notes, but do you remember the park where there
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was this family, the Key family had come in and they were wanting to
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go someplace. They asked some rangers where they could go to see some bears,
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and it just happened to be rangers that were involved. This was the
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first day of the boy's disappearance, and they told him, well, yeah,
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I go to this spot. I forget what the name of the spot
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was. But the family gets there and it's a husband, wife and son,
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and they get out their car and the son says, hey, look,
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there's a bear up on that hill. And the father looked up there
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and he said, if you were going to cover this, let me know.
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But he said it didn't look like a bear. It looked like a
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man or manlike thing, and it had something thrown over his shoulders. And
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they'd heard a blood curdling scream a few minutes before, and they're thinking that
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may have been well whoever or whatever abducted Dennis and was carrying him off.
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And when they went to try to report it to the FBI, the FBI
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didn't want to take the information. Okay, Well that's that's super interesting,
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okay, because the locals in the area knew that there were federal humans living
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on that property and on that land. And there is a YouTube video where
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this local was talking. I watched this. I sent you a link to
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that. So this is this was really interesting because he said that, you
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know, there's a whole different side of this, and he said that around
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the nineteen forties before the park was ever there, before they designated that as
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a national forest or a national park. This guy's uncles had been approached by
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federal government employees and they paid his uncles to hunt the feral men and the
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feral people that lived on that land. They lived on the outskirts of where
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that park was going to be or where the park was. He said that
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once a year they come in, and he didn't know the exact price that
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they would pay them, but they would they pay them to go eradicate them.
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Okay, y'all know what everybody knows what that means. So they would
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eradicate them, he said. And these were like wild men and wild women
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and wild children too, unfortunately, but they, he said, they ranged
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from the There was a range from like them being unable to speak and they
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were like animalistic to being covered in hair. And some were able to speak,
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but it was a different language, and some of them just did clicks
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with their mouths like like some of the African tribes that you see today,
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or these Aboriginal tribes in Australia or wherever. They had like their own language
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of making noises. It wasn't actually like words like we have Okay. He
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said that they a lot of them were inbred, and some of them potentially
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could have been like some of the Cherokee Indians that had moved through there during
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the Trail of Tears, that had gone off the trail and escaped and went
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to go live off the land. But yeah, they they were. These
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men were paid once sometimes twice a year, he said, were paid to
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what do you call it, thin out the thin out the herd. Unfortunately,
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what they called along those lines is you know, you'll hear of National
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Guard troops being sent out for a search and rescue thing like this, but
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there was actually Green Berets. There was a Green Beret unit that was also
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out look and for dentists, or they said they were out looking for dentists,
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but they were operating on different frequencies from the search and rescue teams.
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So maybe that's why they were out there to eradicate the same thing you're talking
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about. Yes, well, you know this makes me think too. Okay,
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this is a little side note, y'all. Okay, so my team
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has been out in the field when we're doing our big foot field research and
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have watched as men in full like swat team gear you know, like military
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guys come out of the woods and they're they have their you know, their
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ars or whatever kind of guns are carrying, and uh, like bulletproof vests
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and all that stuff on and their helmets and uh and and the guys are
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like, well, what are y'all doing out here? And they say to
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my people, We're doing the same thing you're doing. Okay, But I
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don't know what what if they're actually out there? What if they're still doing
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this, John, What if they're what if they're because we were like,
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well, maybe they're hunting down the sasquatch or the dog in and out there.
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It could be feral humans. Well, it could be. Unfortunately,
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it could be. I mean, because the human being is very adaptable.
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You know, Yes, the majority of us, if you threw us in
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that environment, we probably die or succumb to something. But there's those individuals
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that can that can make it. I mean, you know, it's in
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us instinctively. We we had to come from the wilderness before we created civilizations
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and societies. Where did we live. We lived in the wilderness, that's
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right. We lived off the land, all right, And uh yeah,
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it's it's just wow, it's really interesting though. Oh my gosh, thank
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you the girl with the gong, thank you for that supersticker. That is
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so sweet of you. I appreciate that. You guys, thank you for
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your support. And Amy too, I see yours. Thank you Amy for
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that supersticker as well. You guys are the best because other theory, the
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weather thing that that I've thought a lot on that over the years. But
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you know how they say they'll have these disappearances and then like a weather phenomenon
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will come up, a bad rainstorm or weeks of rain or and this is
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going back toward a natural predator. But I don't know if you're a fisherman
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or but a lot of I do know a lot of bass fishermen. They
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will love to go out fish just before a storm comes, before there's a
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front moving through. And I wonder if maybe predatory animals they feel the same
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change in pressure that fish do, so they you know, they want to
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grab as much food as they can. They get a little careless about they
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get a little less choosy over what they're gonna take, and maybe they'll take
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a take a child or something because they know they're gonna have to be hold
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up in their den for days on end. I don't know. That's just
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a theory that can happenzly too. The thing with the with the berry bushes,
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the huckleberries and things like that, so many people disappear while they're berry
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picking. Yeah, oh my gosh. And and Fred Roll from Alaska talks
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about that pretty often on his channel. Shout out to Fred. What's up
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Fred? Y'all go subscribe to Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch please, He's got some of
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the best like firsthand actually for him to be like secondhand. Most of the
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stories from people telling him firsthand okay, about encountering sasquatch while they're berry picking.
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But that is one of the things that David politis it's like over and
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over again with these accounts of people going missing they're picking berries, okay,
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or their children that get away from the crowd, like when they're when you're
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hiking, you know, they run ahead, or they lag behind, or
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they go off trail. So just please be aware, you know. Part
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of the reason that I do these shows is to put the information out there
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so that people will be aware when they're at these national parks. To be
27:00
aware of your surroundings at all. Time. Always keep your head on a
27:03
swivel. Always know where your kids are. Do not let those children ever
27:07
get out of your sight, okay, or just your anybody and it Okay,
27:12
I'm going to go back to the Dennis Martin story, Okay, because
27:18
this is all connected. Okay, this all goes together. Because the gentleman
27:22
that I was watching on the show, the local there, he said that
27:26
that everybody in the community knew that these feral people lived out in the woods
27:32
and they had always been there. They were super wild, they lived off
27:36
the land. He said that when the little boy went missing, okay,
27:41
all all the community knew they were there because occasionally their pets would go missing.
27:48
A dog, a chicken, a pig, you know, there were
27:52
there were just little farm animals and domesticated ant pets that would go missing.
27:56
And so when the little boy went missing, they knew where he went.
28:02
They the whole community assumed that it was the wild man that got him,
28:06
one of these feral people out there. And that's when the green Berries were
28:10
called in and they didn't come to look for the little boy. They came
28:17
to exterminate all the feral people that were out there. Is what the local
28:19
said they weren't there to help with the search. They were there to eradicate
28:25
the people that were out in the woods because they had taken it too far,
28:29
is what this man said, okay. And so he said that when
28:33
one of the officials when they had gone out there and they had eradicated these
28:40
people that were out in the woods, and gosh, I hate saying this
28:41
because it sounds terrible, but there was the bodies were lined up out in
28:45
the woods. And this is according to this local. Okay. He said
28:51
that I believe it was the police chief. He actually ended up taking his
28:53
own life eventually, and it was because of what they say, It's because
28:59
of what he saw. And he said that he saw women and children and
29:03
men and a lot that were laid out that the Green Beerrays had gone in
29:07
there and eradicated, and they were they looked very much deformed. Some of
29:14
them looked like bigfoots. They were wild men, wild women. They were
29:18
covered in hair. And he said it was it was just too much warm.
29:22
And and so he now, now, could it have been too much
29:26
warm or could he have known too much? You know what I mean looking
29:30
back at it, because that seems to be the norm these days. John,
29:34
Yeah, well, you know a funny thing about back in the eighteen
29:38
hundreds and nineteenth century, they had a lot of wild men reports, and
29:45
it makes you wonder if they were seeing actual wild men or they were seeing
29:49
one of the types of sasquatch. But the people in those days when they
29:55
report these hairy wild men, they would say things like, all the poor
30:00
that should have been shunned from society and lived out in the wilderness. So
30:03
long as body became, you know, covered in hair like like a while
30:07
down, they assumed if you went and lived away from society, you naturally
30:11
grew all this body hair and you know, grew a pelt all of a
30:15
sudden. So it's funny you you wonder, okay, are they seeing humans
30:21
or are they seeing something else? Because you know that might happen over generations
30:26
if you know. Yeah, but I mean, you're not gonna go in
30:36
looking like Dets. It could come out looking like Winnie the Pooh, I
30:38
mean, growing a beard, I don't know. Yeah, that's weird,
30:41
that's super weird, right, But I don't already have like long. I
30:47
mean, my hair ended up being just knotted up and greasy. Is the
30:48
only the only difference about me and and I barely have leg hair to begin
30:52
with, So yeah, I don't know. I mean, my armpits have
30:56
looked kind of gross, but I wouldn't just sprout hair all over my body
30:59
just I've been out there. That's a good point. But for some reason
31:04
society and those they thought that's what would happen. And I don't know that
31:10
was something they were given from their churches or just general old wives tales.
31:15
I don't know. I don't know. That's a good goes back as far
31:22
back as you know, civilization. Oh, we're going to get into that.
31:26
We're absolutely going to get into that. Yes, Area fifty one.
31:29
Thank you for that super chat. Thank you so much. You're awesome,
31:32
the one and only. And Lenita, thank you so much for that super
31:34
stecart too. You're so sweet and cosmic neighbor. I see you in there
31:38
too. Thank you for that super chat too. I appreciate y'all so much.
31:41
Thank y'all for so so much for all the sport. I really appreciate
31:45
that. Okay, So the I believe I was a police chief. It
31:48
was one of the officials that was overseeing this case of the little boy the
31:52
Dennis Martin case did take his own life, okay, and uh, and
32:00
the case went unsolved. Okay, in the public it was unsolved. However,
32:04
the locals all knew that this had it. It was actually one of
32:07
the wild men or the feral humans that had taken them, and they had
32:09
eradicated all of them, or as many as they could find. Now did
32:15
they kill them all, We don't know. But the locals don't go on
32:19
those trails at night, and they warn people do not go out in those
32:22
smoky mountains by yourself ever. And I always say that, John, don't
32:25
ever go out in these woods. Don't ever go on those trails by yourself.
32:30
There's just too much out there. And from what I understand, these
32:35
feral humans hang out in the trees. Now what else hangs out in the
32:37
trees. If you guys watch my show, you'll know that bigfoots hang out
32:43
in the trees, okay, and dog men hang out in the trees as
32:46
well. Now we got feral humans hanging out in trees. John, I'm
32:51
not sure how I feel about this. Okay, Well, I'm not sure
32:54
how I feel about that. You guys are looking in the trees anyway,
32:59
So you're best. They are, we are and you got to think about
33:02
too far. What I think feral humans could be mistaken for dog men and
33:07
sasquatch because they are if they're you know, wearing the pelts of other of
33:13
animals. It's almost like a skin walker, dare I say, okay,
33:17
where the people will put the skin of the animal on top of their body
33:22
and their head and they become that animal, like they take on those characteristics.
33:27
Who's to say all these feral people aren't doing the exact same thing,
33:30
you know. Uh so they could be mistaken as a skin walker, or
33:35
they could be skin walkers. I don't know. Okay, it's it's all,
33:38
but y'all see, I just want the audience to see like this could
33:40
be also connected in so many ways with the cryptids that we're out there studying
33:47
and encountering. But yeah, cosmic Neighbors, thank you for that. I
33:52
appreciate that. But yeah, John, okay, and you did say the
33:55
wild men too, right, the wild men. We have the wild the
33:59
Tennessee wild Man, we got the Kentucky wild Man, we have the o
34:02
Cheesy Pond wild man down in Florida. Okay, they're wild men. Sightings
34:06
all over and and these reports go back. I know in the eighteen hundreds
34:12
there were newspaper articles across the United States of wild men. Okay, now,
34:20
could they have been feral humans, yeah, but they were covered in
34:22
hair, Their whole bodies were covered in hair, right John. You know,
34:27
And we've we've got we've got people that are anti social, and I
34:34
think there's people out there that they're not quite what you would call a wild
34:37
man, and they're borderline feral. They still operate a little bit in the
34:43
civilized world, that very minimal amount. But there's people out there you just
34:49
don't want to run into, you know, in your woods, in our
34:52
woods. You know, it could be uh, people cooking meth. They're
34:57
going to be out of their minds, and you know, they're gonna go
35:00
and become less and less social, will have less to do other than selling
35:06
whatever they're making. But they're just there. You know, people are different.
35:10
I mean you you know, we as a as a as a society
35:19
or race or whatever, as just a human race, we cover a wide
35:23
spectrum from super sophisticated down to base level instinct, you know, and there's
35:30
people that operate on every level and there are people that are stuck on every
35:35
level. So yeah, it's a pretty interesting thing, and I could see
35:38
it happening. You know, I was surprised how much there was on it.
35:43
But I was also surprised on how quickly people were against the idea.
35:49
They would, you know, they they would shut that subject down before they
35:53
would shut down the subjects to say sasquatch. They're quicker to say no,
35:58
these peral humans don't exist, but they believe sasquatch does. And I don't
36:02
know, you know, just looking out of the two, to me,
36:07
I'd be more worried about the human than I would the sasquatch. You know,
36:10
I was going to be out in the woods for any length of time,
36:15
yes, okay, okay, So Susan, this is okay. So
36:17
that story that I that Barry. Barry had sent me the link to the
36:22
story right before the show today and and it was about the couple who had
36:24
been out in the woods and they said that they were attacked by they were
36:30
surrounded and attacked by a group of feral men and that had spears and stuff,
36:35
and one of them threw a spear and it hit the leg of this
36:37
of the man of her husband or boyfriend, her companion. Okay and uh
36:43
and and they were being attacked and a group of giants which I believe they
36:46
were probably Sasquatch, but she kept calling them giants. They were covered in
36:51
hair. She said that they defended them against those those feral humans. So
36:55
and and they ultimately long story short is that they were taken into a cave.
37:00
The man's wounds were treated by the giants and they were able and they
37:06
were kind of having like telepathic communication with these giants. And the next morning
37:12
when the coast was clear that next night, I guess it was under nightfall,
37:15
the giants had actually gone out there and unalived all those feral humans that
37:22
came out there to hunt down those two people. That I mean, they
37:24
were hungry. I guess I think they were planning on eating them, is
37:29
what she insinuated. And so the bigfoots are the giants. They were actually
37:36
they they were defending against the feral humans. They did not like the feral
37:38
humans at all. So yeah, So that that was the only account though
37:43
that I could find, really of the feral humans versus the Sasquatch. Okay,
37:49
So, so I don't know for sure, but that was, and
37:52
I not, Like I said, I don't even know if that story is
37:53
one hundred percent true, but I think it is. I mean, they
37:57
presented it as though it was a true story. Okay, So yeah,
38:01
who knows, John, Gosh, we live in such a wild world,
38:06
crazy, crazy world here. But okay, there's also another story of a
38:10
couple who was at a waterfall in around the Smoky Mountains. This is in
38:15
the Smoky Mountains. They claimed that they saw a man covered in hair near
38:21
a waterfall out there at the Smoky Mountains. They said that his eyes were
38:23
sunking into his head like he had like bad cataracts or something, and his
38:30
face was deformed and his arms were longer than normal. Okay, so sounds
38:37
like a sasquatch to me personally, But it also sounds like a character off
38:42
them Hills have Eyes, Okay, like that movie The Hills Have Eyes.
38:45
I mean, because there's a fine line at this point, there's a kind
38:49
of a fine line between a wild man and a feral human when it comes
38:52
down to all this, John, So, I don't know, what do
38:58
you think? What do you think, John? Well, when they're talking
39:01
about the length of the arms and things like that could have been a sasquatch,
39:06
if it was more man's size, could have been a juvenile. I
39:10
just I think, you know, there may even be a rise in the
39:15
cases of people going parallel. You know, society is going through a lot
39:21
of changes. You know, people, economy's gone bad since COVID, people
39:28
are losing their jobs, people are living in cars. You know, there's
39:32
always a step down, and sooner or later. You know, when you're
39:37
out of cars and you're out of you're kicked out of your house and you
39:40
can't even make your car payment, where are you going to go. You're
39:45
in a city, you know, you get preyed upon by other homeless.
39:49
So you might see a lot more of these wild men or wild people in
39:52
general. That's right, that's right. Now we have the Tennessee whiwd Man.
39:59
This is from eight teen seventy one. John I said that there were
40:01
newspaper articles. This was in the Jackson, Tennessee. Wig says, well,
40:08
let's see the haggers Town, the Haggerstown, the mill. Okay,
40:13
this is the newspaper. This was in They talk about a strange and frightful
40:17
being that has been observed for several weeks. He said to be seven feet
40:21
tall, possessed a great muscular power. His eyes are unusually large and fiery
40:27
red. His hair hangs in a tangled and matted mass of jet below his
40:30
waist, and his beard reaches below his middle. His entire pot body is
40:35
covered in hair, and the whole aspect is most frightful he has. He
40:38
gives out horrid screams. Well, actually, I think the women are the
40:43
ones screaming, because he's scaring everybody. But it says that he sometimes,
40:49
with great caution, approaches houses, and should he see a man, he
40:53
runs away with astonishing swiftness, leaping the tallest fence is with the ease of
41:00
a deer to find a like pursuit of men and dogs, so that means
41:05
dogs can't keep up with them, men can't keep up with them. He
41:07
is frightened several women by attempting to carry them off, my goodness, as
41:13
well as by his horrid aspect, and the whole country around Sobby is conster.
41:19
Consternation is in consternation. Oh my gosh, those are words we don't
41:22
use much anymore. Uh. The citizens are now scouring the woods and are
41:27
determined to either capture or drive off the Monster Man. I tell you what,
41:32
John, that that had to be pretty scary. I mean, because
41:35
that's a that's a monster from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah right, me too.
41:43
I was like consternation. What I'm having I'm having to read that from
41:45
my computer screen? Okay? So yes, absolutely? And now and we
41:54
also had, uh like the the Kentucky wild Man as well. You know
41:58
I've had Charlie on my show at Space Out Radio. He's with the KBrO,
42:02
the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization. He's written a book on the Kentucky Wildman.
42:07
Okay. And uh and and this this is a I don't know if
42:10
this is a picture of the wild man that actually kind of looks like someone
42:14
from a different country in that picture there that drawing, Uh, but it
42:17
looked more the Kentucky Wildman was more like a Sasquatch. Okay. And if
42:24
people have been following me for a while, you know that I've done a
42:27
show on Paul Bunyan. Okay, y'all remember Paul Bunyon. I did a
42:31
remote viewing show where my buddy Glenn, Glenn Jackson, who's one of my
42:36
teammates, he tasked me with a remote viewing target of the real life Paul
42:40
Bunyan. Okay, now that that's a character that was based off a real
42:45
person. And uh and so he if you look into the historical records,
42:51
I believe it's in I want to say, Minnesota or Wisconsin. Paul Bunnion
42:57
looks like a sasquatch. Okay, the the artist rendition of of what he
43:02
looked like look like a wild man, I guess you could say. And
43:07
they say that he was, you know what, nine feet tall or something,
43:08
and uh, he could, I mean he could lift up trees over
43:13
like full trees over his shoulder and stuff. I mean I can't hardly even
43:15
pick up a log. Okay, sometimes logs are heavy, John, and
43:20
uh, but he was able to flip those over his shoulder with a gigantic
43:24
tree. I believe that he was a wild man, you know. And
43:30
uh, but anyways, that I think that's what a lot of these wild
43:31
men reports are are squat. Didn't Daniel Boone have a run in with a
43:38
wild man? I believe so? Yeah, I id to hear about those
43:44
sasquatch or wild man? Yeah. Interesting. Well, and we also have
43:50
uh, the o cheesy pond wild man. This was an article out of
43:52
the New York Times. Y'all. Uh, I can't really read this,
43:57
but it was down in Tallahassee near and Chattahoochee, Florida. Y'all. Okay,
44:00
they caught this wild man. Now, he was hanging out in this
44:05
pond right here. This is the Ocheesy Pond. It's a swamp down in
44:07
Florida. John, I have actually been called down to a family's residence on
44:12
their property to do a bigfoot investigation. This was some years ago. My
44:16
son was still in a car seat, so that's he's nine, so it
44:21
had to have been like seven years ago at the least. But yeah,
44:27
I was down there at the what was their name? There was a couple
44:30
they were on the Animal Planet and stuff that I was asked to keep their
44:34
name private, but they're all over the news and stuff. I think Stacy
44:37
Brown has down in Florida. He's famous skunkate footage. Uh. He's done
44:43
research down on their property as well. But we were down there a long
44:46
time ago and doing some research. That's in Chattahoochee, Florida, and this
44:52
is where they found that wild man. And I believe they captured the wild
44:55
man and they took him to the governor. Okay, and I believe the
45:00
capitals in Tallahassee. I believe, and they took him over there. The
45:04
governor didn't want anything to do with it. And uh and he sent the
45:08
wild man to the hospital in Chattahoochee. It's like, I don't know if
45:12
it was a mental asylum or it was it was some sort of Oh yeah,
45:19
Don's in the chat. I see. Don Tart was up. Don
45:21
was with me, uh down in Florida, and so thank you for being
45:25
here, Don, But yeah, that was a great trip. So but
45:30
they sent him to this hospital and uh and listen, y'all big foot and
45:32
on Connor Connor Flynn, I love him to death. Uh he he's talked
45:37
about the Ocheesy pond of wild man and uh and and he's down from that
45:40
area of Florida and uh and he says that that wild man, which we
45:45
believe was like a sasquatch type for sasquatch, is buried on the property of
45:51
that hospital in Chattahoochee, Florida to this day. Okay, but yeah,
45:55
super super super interesting. I mean, these wild men were all over the
46:00
place, Like what what happened to the wild men, John, do you
46:02
think that they're still around or do you think that they're all gone? Now?
46:06
Well, you know, once they go paril, they become part of
46:12
nature, and you know, it's like you start seeing less and less of
46:16
them the closer you are to the city. You know, it's funny,
46:21
my whole life was a big deal to see a deer, you know,
46:23
and now here I got to make sure I don't run over one when I'm
46:28
out driving or you know, I'm practically trip over. I had one really
46:31
jump over to me one day on my own property. They're just everywhere.
46:37
So yeah, they're gonna move, They're gonna move deeper in and avoid humans.
46:40
And you know, humans can be pretty good at avoiding humans until they
46:46
want a human and they're gonna go hunt one, you know. Oh yeah.
46:57
The only thing about them being cannibalistic is if they're savvy enough to live
47:02
off the land in the first place. You know, why would they eat
47:07
humans when they can go after deer or wild hogs or you know, just
47:10
about anything. But who knows. Maybe it's a craziness they picked up,
47:19
or maybe maybe they taste better. I don't know, I don't I'm just
47:23
saying, from their standpoint, I have no idea part of their diet,
47:30
I don't know. I mean I think that when something when something like that
47:32
gets hungry, they're gonna eat whatever they can grab, and so yeah,
47:36
maybe an opportunistic thing. Yeah. Well, and I've heard it. They
47:38
go after children, and they go after elderly. Okay, women, children
47:44
and the elderly are some of their favorite, favorite favorite things. They're the
47:49
slowest because they're the slowest. Well yeah, well the kids, the kids
47:52
are, you know, easy targets, and so are the elder I think
47:55
it's the easy target. Yeah, lying to lect their prey. You know,
48:01
they're gonna get that one that's cut off and not as spry as the
48:06
others. Yeah, yeah, I guess. So wow. Yeah. Renee
48:10
says there's a canyon in Nevada out of Elko where redhead red hair giants still
48:15
live, still live, and they're cannibalistic. Okay, so I would say
48:21
still stay away from that area. Okay, stay away from that area because
48:28
you don't want to be something's breakfast or something. Okay, So very that's
48:34
that's pretty scary. Let's see, I have I have some more pictures here
48:38
y'all in regards to like, because we're talking about wild men right now.
48:44
But I know we were talking about the feral humans and the feral children.
48:46
And here I'll just show some pictures from throughout time. I mean, there's
48:52
wild men have been documented throughout history. Okay, being covered in hair.
49:00
That that guy's got some modesty right there. He's covered with some leaves over
49:04
his private parts. He's got some sort of civility about him. Okay,
49:08
that guy right there, or at least the artist had some civility to him.
49:15
Lose his civility, he's gonna be itchy, that's for sure. Yeah.
49:22
So I mean look that. Okay, So this reminds me of like
49:24
a bigfoot. Okay, because see how he has a tree with the roots
49:28
at the bottom. That's what bigfoots do, you know. And a lot
49:30
of these X structures that we we discover out in the woods that we happen
49:36
upon a lot of times they're turned upside down and the roots are sitting up
49:39
in the air. Okay, that's that's how that's how these bigfoots roll.
49:45
Okay, not to say this guy is a bigfoot, but he could be
49:47
giant or a bigfoot you know, this has like a crown on his head.
49:52
Didn't the last one too, the last picture. Yeah, I think
49:53
it's the same person. Yeah, okay, it's the same guy. Yeah
49:59
it is. But yeah, okay, I got another interesting note. Okay,
50:04
another interesting note here. See, all these things just kind of pop
50:07
in my head as we're going. So I also was tasks a remote viewing
50:10
target of the nineteen eighty not nineteen, y'all, eighteen ninety two attack of
50:19
the Okie Finoch swamp giant. Okay, the trying to get this right in
50:24
my head. The attack of the Okefinochi giant in eighteen ninety two, I
50:30
believe, down down in South Georgia. Okay. I live in Georgia,
50:34
y'all. So this this case, really, you know, it was really
50:37
interesting for me. I had remote viewed. Uh there was five I believe
50:43
it was five men that got unalive by a giant in the swamp. And
50:50
the story goes that there were I guess the government had done a land lottery,
50:55
okay, back in the early eighteen hundreds and and people they were just
51:00
giving out land for settlers down there all over the place, especially in the
51:04
swamps down the Okefinoki where people were I guess normally. I guess they just
51:10
needed people to live down there. I guess. I don't know. I
51:13
don't know how that worked back then. But some people got some land and
51:17
it went right up to this big swamp. Okay, if y'all know the
51:22
swamp, y'all know, there's full of alligators and snakes. You know,
51:25
it's full of wildlife, Okay, very dangerous. And so two men decided
51:31
to venture off, or a man and his son decided to venture off into
51:35
the swamp and go see what all they could see and find what they could
51:38
find, and see how far back the land went, you know, just
51:40
exploring. And they were planning to stay for a while. But they got
51:44
like way out there in the middle of the swamp, and they came across
51:46
a gigantic footprint. It was like, I want to say, like twenty
51:50
four inches or something like a gigantic footprint. And they got scared and said,
51:54
okay, it was a human footprint. And they got scared. They
51:59
went back to camp to where they were living, and they were like,
52:01
oh my god, we found this footprint. It could not be human.
52:07
This is just a giant. We don't know what this is. And so
52:09
a bunch of rowdy Floridians, some rowdy hunters down from Florida, decided to
52:15
come up and go hunt whatever this is out in the woods. They wanted
52:20
they wanted to go into the swamp. They were planning on taking it out
52:23
because it had to be a thread of it was something that big. And
52:28
so they got out there and long story short, all of the men except
52:30
for maybe one one or two I guess it was like one. A bunch
52:35
of men went out there. They were all unlive by this giant. Okay.
52:38
Now, some people say it was a bigfoot, Okay, a clan
52:44
of bigfoots living out in the middle of the swamp. Others say it was
52:46
like a clan of giants, a bunch of giants. Okay, well they
52:52
said bigfoots. My data said giants giants like giant humans. It wasn't a
52:57
bigfoot, it was a giant humans. Well, my friend Barb who lives
53:00
down there at the ok Finoch, she watched that show and she contacted me
53:05
and told me, she said, Hey, there actually are tales of giants
53:09
giant humans living in the ok Finoch that date back forever Okay, and so
53:15
my data I sounded kind of crazy saying no, I don't think it was
53:17
bigfoots, it was giants. Uh and she backed that up. Okay,
53:22
So yeah, we've had giants. Who's to say they weren't wild men just
53:27
giant wild men. I don't know, because some of these newspaper articles do
53:30
say they were like seven to nine feet tall wild men. Okay, But
53:35
yeah, like I said, there's a there's just a they're all kind of
53:37
melded together, and there's a fine line between a lot of them. So
53:42
bigfoot, wild men, giants or feral humans. Man, it's a lot,
53:47
John, it is a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Uh.
53:53
And I'm no expert, y'all. I'm no expert. Y'all know.
53:57
I don't know nothing about nothing. But I'm over here exploring it and we're
54:00
trying to figure some of this out. And with all these amazing comments in
54:04
here today, thank you guys so much. I know, the more I
54:07
look over to the comments, the more my computer slows down, so I
54:12
have to be really careful, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to check
54:14
out all your comments. The information that you guys have is really I mean,
54:19
it's it's imperative when I'm doing these shows and I see some of the
54:22
input that you guys have, it really does help us with our with cutting
54:23
the information out there and getting it. So thank you to everybody who's in
54:27
here today helping us out with this. We one percent appreciate it. Okay,
54:32
And Okay, John, is there anything you can think of right now,
54:37
because I've got I've got more pictures and more stuff to talk about right
54:42
ahead. I don't have any pictures and just local stuff. So okay,
54:50
let's see what all we got. Okay, let's go back to let's talk
54:52
about some of the kids, Okay, that are feral. Okay, I
54:55
can I can actually go over an hour today because my son told him I
54:58
had to go get in from school to day because he was sick. So
55:00
we we can go a little bit over an hour today, Okay. So
55:07
there have been children that have been portrayed in movies over the years that are
55:10
feral. Okay, and uh, And I believe it was that Lord of
55:14
the Flies. Do you remember that movie, John, Lord of Flies?
55:16
The Little Boys? I think now not positive, but I think this picture
55:21
is from Lord of the Flies. It could be mad Max. I don't
55:25
know. I think that's mad Max. I saw the Max. That's mad
55:32
Max. Be kid's mad Max. I know that is Look at that hair.
55:37
Man got some hair. I'll tell you what. It's almost like a
55:42
nice mullet. I love. I love me a good mullet. I live
55:45
down here in the South, so it goes good with you know, just
55:51
living in the South. I love, I love good mullet. I just
55:52
had a conversation about those other days with my girlfriends. But anyways, feral
55:55
humans, feral children especially, have been featured in movies and and things over
56:02
the years. So John, I'm sorry, I was yeah, okay,
56:12
but but yeah, children, children being left out in the woods. Okay,
56:19
we hear about kids getting wandering off and getting lost, being protected by
56:23
bears. I have a gigantic long list here. I mean, if you
56:27
look up even on Wikipedia. Now I know that's not a source for all
56:30
the great greatest information, but on Wikipedia, if you guys go there,
56:36
there are so many accounts of children historically being taken care of and raised by
56:43
animals. Okay, Now, I don't know how I feel about having something
56:46
like this taking care of a child. We've got a dangerous wolf right here.
56:52
Okay, I like my faces in its booty right there, So let
56:55
me take that off screen. It's weird. Sorry, but okay. So
57:02
Romulus and Remis. Are you familiar with who that is? John? Yes?
57:06
Okay, Romulus and Remis. When I was a kid, I lived
57:08
near Rome, Georgia. My family lives in Rome. I have some family
57:13
up there. And uh and on the courthouse steps there is a statue of
57:16
Romulus and Remis. All right, Now, these are the this mythological story.
57:22
Okay, I don't know, maybe it was real. These days,
57:25
everything that's mythological is actually seems to be real. Okay, there's some kind
57:29
of truth to it. But these are two little boys. I believe that
57:34
one of them became the founder of Rome. They say, but that's the
57:36
my mythological story of it. Okay. But they were sentenced to death,
57:43
like they were supposed to die. The parents left them on a river bank
57:47
and uh, they were taken in by a she wolf okay, and suckled,
57:52
I guess you call it. They drank off the teat of the she
57:55
wolf, all right, and uh and she but she saved them and uh
58:00
and kept them warm and fed them and until they could be found and brought
58:06
back to society. And uh, they conquered the world. Okay, if
58:10
you know Roman history, so I mean this this date's way back. Oh,
58:15
here's a picture. This is sad man the family leaving the children on
58:19
the river bank to die. So but no worry, have no worries.
58:24
The shoe wolf came and protected them. Okay. We also have movies like
58:29
is it the Jungle Book? I think Immoguli. I believe he was out
58:32
there by himself like a faral kid, basically living with all of the animals,
58:37
with the panthers, the tigers, the you know, the bears,
58:40
the monkeys and ring attained or whatever, so that that is not uncommon.
58:47
Okay. Also I have a pictured. Here's one right here. This guy
58:54
was out of India. Okay. This is a feral a little boy.
58:59
This is a Dina Santa Char. Dina Santa Char discovered among wolves in a
59:02
cave near Agra in India in eighteen seventy two at the age of at the
59:08
age of six, he went on to live amongst humans for twenty for over
59:14
twenty years, but he was found at age six. Wait was he found
59:16
at age six? Or was he found. He left at age six.
59:20
Anyways, well, when he was he went on to live amongst humans for
59:23
twenty years, including picking up smoking. Okay, why would they even include
59:28
that, I don't know. But he never learned to speak, and he
59:30
remained seriously impaired his entire life. Okay. Now, notice his eyes.
59:36
Okay. That's something that I keep hearing over and over again with the feral
59:39
humans is that their eyes look wild. Okay, their eyes look wild,
59:45
and they're set apart and like they have cataracts or something. Okay, that's
59:52
something that is very prominent. It's like something that I hear when it comes
59:58
to the feral humans. Okay, let's see. There are countless other kids
1:00:02
that were raised by dogs. Okay, a lot of these are little boys.
1:00:07
A lot of them are little boys. Okay, when they're found,
1:00:10
they are they've basically okay, wait, here we go. In Romania,
1:00:17
there's the Romanian dog Boy. I don't have a picture of this kid,
1:00:21
but I do have some pictures of feral children with animals, so I'll put
1:00:24
those up I talk about it. The Romanian dog boy or Moguli, from
1:00:29
the ages of four to seven, lived without a family. He was found
1:00:32
at the age of seven and was described as three year old due to the
1:00:37
under nutrition. His mother had left her home because of domestic violence, and
1:00:40
he ran from home sometime after the mother left, he lived in the wild
1:00:44
and took shelter in a cardboard box. Yeah, I don't want to read.
1:00:49
This is really sad, y'all. It's just a whole bunch of child
1:00:51
neglect basically, and these kids go out in the woods or they take up
1:00:54
with animals and they become one of the animals, Okay, because that's all.
1:01:00
No, it's just human behavior, right, John, I mean,
1:01:01
it's you know, this is really kind of sad. I mean, I
1:01:06
remember seeing a documentary with this young lady and she there was her name was
1:01:12
Oxana, I believe, and I'm trying to find her story here. I
1:01:17
won't see if I could find her. There's so many of these stories'all,
1:01:22
so many of these stories. Oxana was eight years old, a Ukrainian girl
1:01:25
who lived with black Russian terriers for six years. She was found in a
1:01:30
kennel with dogs in nineteen ninety one. She'd been neglected by her parents,
1:01:35
who were alcoholics. The three year old, looking for a comfort, crawled
1:01:37
into the farm and snuggled with the dogs. Her behavior imitated dogs more than
1:01:44
humans. She walked on all fours, bared her teeth, and barked.
1:01:49
She was removed from her parents by Child Protective Services, so she never even
1:01:55
knew how to speak other than to say yes or no. Upon adulthood,
1:02:00
she had to be taught to subdue her doglike behavior, and then she ended
1:02:05
up, you know, speaking fluently and intelligently at some point. But you
1:02:10
know, that's that's kind of a different story because she was not fending off
1:02:15
in the woods. She was actually in a home. I mean, it's
1:02:16
just it's just really sad because it's really just like basically child neglect right there,
1:02:22
you know, which is different than the feral humans that are you know,
1:02:27
out in the in the woods eating other humans kind of. But it's
1:02:31
just there's just such a wide range of this happening. And I'm not saying
1:02:37
this happens like a ton. I don't think there's like a ton of these
1:02:38
cases, but they are, they are out there. And you know,
1:02:44
about fifteen years ago, I was working for a poem company and out in
1:02:49
rural northeast Texas and we were along the north Sulfolk River. We were putting
1:02:55
in fiber optics and some days I worked alone. I was going, I'm
1:03:00
doing pads and tying things in and stuff like that. And they kept telling
1:03:04
me they watched this one road because if you go down you go across this
1:03:07
old wooden bridge, there's a family down there and there wild and they will
1:03:13
come out and confront you, and you know, they'll try to try to
1:03:15
steal from you. And they and I thought they were pulling my leg,
1:03:19
you know, And so I thought, okay, but they were serious.
1:03:25
I went down there a few times. I never encountered any anything, but
1:03:29
uh, I do remember when I was out there working one day and I
1:03:32
kept hearing somebody walking in the woods, but I never could see them when
1:03:37
I thought about it, And I remember asking about it after we were completely
1:03:40
done with that job and moved on somewhere else. I said, so are
1:03:44
you guys pulling pulling my leg about there? And I'm like, no,
1:03:46
man, we don't. We don't like working down there. We don't want
1:03:50
to go down there. They said, they're just really mean, and there's
1:03:53
a whole pack of them down there. So I never encountered them, but
1:03:57
I thought there was an interesting story. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you
1:04:01
mean there's just so much when when I tell people please protect yourself when you
1:04:08
go out in the woods, just do you know, I don't know.
1:04:15
And especially with the with the TikTok videos and people to carrying their phones and
1:04:18
their recording devices and their GoPros out into the woods when they're hiking. Uh,
1:04:23
there are people come across some weird stuff, y'all. Okay, and
1:04:26
uh, and I can attest there's a lot of weird stuff out there,
1:04:29
So just be prepared for pretty much anything. Yeah, I don't know.
1:04:36
I don't know, John, I yeah, but but if hey, if
1:04:41
our government is absolutely okay, let's just say that. Like the national parks,
1:04:44
like I always say, I believe our National park rangers a lot of
1:04:47
them game wardens. I think a lot of them. I'm not saying all
1:04:51
of them, but I think most of them are fully weird. There are
1:04:54
bigfoots out in these national and state parks. I've been contacted by a park
1:04:59
rangers personally to come out and do some scouting of their parks because of all
1:05:03
the big foot sightings they've had here in Georgia. Okay, some of them
1:05:10
claiming, I mean, one of the guys, he claimed that there was
1:05:13
a death related to a big foot out there. And now I didn't find
1:05:16
a whole lot of proof of that when I got out there, but not
1:05:18
to say it didn't happen. The story went, actually, and I'm not
1:05:25
gonna go all the details, but the story went that an elderly man there
1:05:29
had been seeing he saw a bigfoot or a wild man, something big that
1:05:32
was big and hairy, walking on two feet, two legs, and it
1:05:36
was looking in his window one night in his cabin and he may or may
1:05:43
not have had a heart some heart failure or something. Now, I did
1:05:47
not find evidence of that completely being one hundred percent the case when I got
1:05:53
there, But after speaking to the coroner's office and things like, we had
1:05:57
people on the team looking into it. Really dug into this case, y'all.
1:06:00
So, but it's not to say that he was making that story up
1:06:04
by any means. But you know, it's just a matter of information and
1:06:09
crisscrossed and and things like that, you know, so who knows who knows,
1:06:15
But yeah, we gotta we gotta investigate these things thoroughly. When we're
1:06:17
out there doing real research. The real research, the real boots on the
1:06:20
ground research that my team and I do, or does Don Tartzan here.
1:06:28
He knows what's up. He's out there taking all sorts of investigation accounts and
1:06:32
things like that he takes. He takes accounts and has done many reports over
1:06:38
the years. So yeah, okay, well, wow, this this has
1:06:44
been amazing. John, Do you is there anything else you'd like to talk
1:06:47
about today? Because I think I kind of covered most of the feral human
1:06:53
information that I have today and and this has been really cool. What a
1:06:57
cool show today. No, I've enjoyed it. It's uh, like I
1:07:00
say, it's not one of my never been one of my areas of interest,
1:07:03
but now my interest is getting peaked. Might be a booking there somewhere
1:07:08
down the road. So I've enjoyed being on. Like I said, I
1:07:13
just remember running over those stories when I first started doing bigfoot research for relics,
1:07:18
and uh, it really really intrigued me. And I always wanted to
1:07:25
include the missing persons, the snatch, you know, just gone kind of
1:07:30
story and the stories I was writing. And yeah, I mean I bought
1:07:36
after that Dennis Martin story. I ended up buying all of David Poliitis's books,
1:07:41
and then I figured out he had been a big Foot researcher before he
1:07:44
got into Missing four one one thing, so that was even better. But
1:07:49
yeah, I think and and as it goes, I think, as we
1:07:54
go on as as a such society, you're probably gonna see more and more
1:07:58
people dropping out, and it may become even less rare than it is.
1:08:02
It may become a much bigger issue than it is already. You know,
1:08:06
people that are just checking out and going feral, and and you know what,
1:08:13
they may not go feral at first, it may be, but if
1:08:15
they stay out there and have children, it's gonna you know, each little
1:08:20
generation is gonna get a little wilder and a little you know, let's less
1:08:25
able to to operate with humanity or with civilization. It gives it gives a
1:08:31
new meaning to wild and free. Okay, Yeah, I have a T
1:08:36
shirt that says born wild. I'm like, WHOA, I wasn't really born
1:08:40
wild compared to these people. Okay, So now you know, I love
1:08:43
my freedom till it comes to the point where I got to know on a
1:08:45
human bone and no, I don't want that much freedom. Oh God,
1:08:49
wild and free baby, I know. I mean I saw biker jewelry and
1:08:53
stuff and like biker rings, and I have a couple of pieces that are
1:08:57
like say wild and free. It's got like an eagle on it, and
1:09:00
now now it's got a whole new meeting in my book. Okay, but
1:09:04
yeah, I'm a free spirit, but I ain't that wild. Okay wild,
1:09:10
there's just different types of wild at this point. So yeah, wow,
1:09:15
what an interesting topic today. And yeah, you know, a lot
1:09:19
of the research that I did on on the feral humans, they did come
1:09:24
out of the Smoky Mountains and the and the Appellations. And that's why I
1:09:28
wanted to really focus on the Appellations because those are the oldest. That's the
1:09:31
oldest mountain range in the world. Were you from Did you know that,
1:09:34
John, It's the oldest mountain range in the times? I didn't realize that.
1:09:39
Well, you know what's funny, the kind meet you mountains I live
1:09:42
in here in Oklahoma, they're really old too. That's why they're not as
1:09:45
big as say they've borne down over the centuries. But I will say the
1:09:51
Appalations, you know, they've been really hit hard financially with people losing their
1:09:57
jobs, losing their homes. So it may be on the rise. I
1:10:01
mean it's always been reported there, but can you imagine now there's probably even
1:10:05
more people that have been forced out to live off the land and things like
1:10:10
that, and it's just gonna get worse. Yeah, it is. That's
1:10:15
just an unfortunate state of the world that we're in right now. It is,
1:10:19
right, it is. Yeah, Okay, Well, John, Okay,
1:10:25
Well, I'm expecting to see some feral humans in the next Relics book.
1:10:29
I'm just saying, I'm just kidding. On the list, it's on
1:10:32
the list. Okay. Well, now it's on your radar. So and
1:10:36
and if they're hanging out in the trees up there with the dog men and
1:10:41
the and the bigfoots, I mean, that's just something else in the teams
1:10:44
upon the radar too. They're poison ivy modesty belts. Yeah that oh my
1:10:48
god, no, oh my gosh. Okay, Well, John, tell
1:10:53
my audience where they can find your books. Tell us about your Shadow Chasers
1:10:58
books and your relic series. Okay, I have two series after Relics.
1:11:01
Series starts is basically it's a big Foot story in the first book, and
1:11:08
then it branches off get a little UFO action and some other stuff going on
1:11:13
by Relics. Three Shadow Chasers is kind of a young adult series, but
1:11:16
my adult readers really love this series too, but it was kind of geared
1:11:21
towards teenage kids. And it's basically the first books Bigfoot story, Segone one's
1:11:28
UFO story, and the third one is kind of a skin Walker story.
1:11:31
And I hope Ben enjoyed his book, or if he's got a chance to
1:11:34
read it yet. And I'm just about to release the first book in a
1:11:40
new series called Enigma Team. And as I was writing it, I just
1:11:45
found that I needed some of the characters from Relics, So it's kind of
1:11:49
going to be tied into Relics quite a bit. But the first Enigma Team
1:11:56
books gonna start nine years after the last Relics book ends off, So in
1:12:01
fact, I may even have to write a Relics for to tie the two
1:12:04
together, just you know, officially so. But it'll be due out at
1:12:10
the end of this month of person November, and it'll be uh, the
1:12:15
Enigma Team, and the subtitle will be The Channeling and my my books can
1:12:24
all be found at www dot relicsbook dot com or you can go straight to
1:12:30
Amazon, but if you go to relicsbook dot Com there's links there for there's
1:12:35
links for hardcover, softcover, kindle, whatever you want. Also, there's
1:12:42
a email link if you have anything you want to you know, let me
1:12:45
know about your likes or dislikes on the book and or if you have any
1:12:50
questions. And like I say, I got a new series starting, so
1:12:55
if you haven't read the Relics series, and that'd be a good time to
1:12:57
start and get caught up before the next kicks off. Okay, John,
1:13:01
your Relics books are my favorite biog foot book, favorite paranormal book at all.
1:13:06
I mean I don't I don't really read a whole lot of books these
1:13:09
days because I just am so busy, but I read your books. I
1:13:12
love your books. You're your Ishkatini book man, so good. All all
1:13:15
of the kids the youth books, I read all of them, and uh
1:13:18
and so thank you for putting those out and thank you so much for being
1:13:21
my guest today, my co host, Man, I love it when you
1:13:26
come over here and hang out with me, and uh, yeah, you
1:13:29
always bring some fresh knowledge over here, and uh and I can appreciate that
1:13:33
great insight awesome. Okay, well, y'all, thank y'all so much for
1:13:38
being here. I want to thank everybody for all your super chats and superstigars
1:13:41
today. It really is awesome. You guys are wondering. I love your
1:13:45
support, you guys. I love you guys. And uh yeah, please
1:13:49
join me tomorrow night. I have a remote viewing show eight pm Eastern.
1:13:54
I will be announcing that topic tonight. I don't know. I've been giving
1:13:57
some blind targets. I don't know what they are yet. Okay, So,
1:14:00
like like I say, I'm always the last minute kind of kind of
1:14:02
chick when it comes to doing these shows. But yeah, and you guys,
1:14:05
come see me this weekend on space out Radio. I have the Horror
1:14:09
Chronicles podcast coming on. We're gonna be talking about some scary, spooky stuff
1:14:15
on Saturday night, so we're gonna be in the spirit of Halloween this weekend
1:14:19
over at space out Radio. All right, y'all, John, thanks again
1:14:23
so much for being here. Please come back and see me. It's always
1:14:28
a pleasure. All right, y'all, y'all watch trees when you're out in
1:14:30
the woods now, and stay safe out there. Don't go wandering off the
1:14:33
path. Okay, and don't go pick berries. All right, y'all,
1:14:38
have a great day. We'll see y'all later. Bye, y'all. Hie
1:14:45
ye finish line to be in remiss and pass